winged tangle
ty
#assassination
blissful crown
@elfin raft what u mean? in my herodamage i cant see sharpened blades as high
elfin raft
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azeritestacks/1t-pr-assassination was it always at the top in stack?
blissful crown
Dno but u would never use poison blades in ur rot would ya?
main blaze
More than likely someone added it to the apl to use the trait if they have it
elfin raft
nope
blissful crown
I always look at the first tab by item lvl
elfin raft
nor do I want to lol
main blaze
Low simming traits are usually just poorly maintained in the APL
elfin raft
ah
elfin raft
oh snap
blissful crown
What was?
elfin raft
SB
blissful crown
But does that mean anything? I mean poison knifes arent used
pastel vault
Wasn't it so bad that 75% won't do much
warm parcel
Fairly simple
pastel vault
Like you still prefer not to have them right
blissful crown
Gonna be exciting to see, wouldt mind another spell in a rotation
Is it tonight there will be a tuning?
with reset tomorrow on EU?
or first next week?
if i wanna use first mate spyglass on opener after i use vendetta, can i make a macro to use both vendetta and trinket? If so can anyone help?
warm parcel
blissful crown
Ty
warm parcel
Shouls cover most basics. Even some of the stance stuff sub uses
blissful crown
Yeah
elfin raft
damn this is a good guide
blissful crown
are ppl using trinkets after vendetta on opener btw?
warm parcel
Should yea
blissful crown
Alright
dense cedar
stabby stabby
fallen cloud
I'm seeing some sort of change in game from Shrouded Suffocation (not sure if previously mentioned) it's now stacking for me .... if anything the damage seems a bit too high, making up 33% of my damage now.
*using 3
dense cedar
do i know u @warm parcel
warm parcel
Idno
pine torrent
Does any traits stack?
fallen cloud
Well if that's fixed, then roll on the good times - dummy testing numbers are big! wooit
dense cedar
Only damage from them iirc
warm parcel
Old rh people i guess
lofty junco
wtf did they nerf SS again?
strange python
odd tundra
S. S
main blaze
No they just finally added the fix to SS
strange python
Ye just go with 1 of each top trait
blissful crown
why?
calm stag
What is SS?
strange python
It is
calm stag
Abbreviation of?
blissful crown
So why wouldnt u go with 3x SS
strange python
Because 3x1 is bae
blissful crown
bae?=
strange python
The raid uldir only trait is most likely better than SS
Then you take 1 SS for the garrote QoL
And 1x TB cos its 
lament dove
what nerf? where are these hotfixes, SS fix and nerf? or you're referring to the one days before?
thorn crater
whats that emoji @strange python 😛
main blaze
The SS fix was just put in tonight even though the hotfix list was from a few days ago
calm stag
So what did they fix?
main blaze
In the sims its a nerf
thorn crater
btw is the uldir trait referred to the archive of the titans?
calm stag
Why is it a nerf in the sims
main blaze
Cause in the sims it worked
main blaze
and then it was nerfed by 11%
strange python
Read the notes
rotund forum
assassination ayyyy
strange python
Ok
fallen cloud
my garotte ticks for under 2k with no SS and ticks for over 6k with 3xSS now (that's just plain unbuffed numbers on a dummy.) Seems excessive but fun anyway
thorn crater
will there ever be a mix of different trait stacks on herodamage or bloodmallet to find the optimal traits for dmg??
or is that too much work?
just curious
cause it cant be that x3 stacking is alweays the best
main blaze
Its not work by people its more computation time required
thorn crater
cause frankly we dont know exactly atm how that would go right?
could u somehow do that on raidbots and compare?
main blaze
sure you would just need a lot of editing to add all of it
fallen cloud
anyway that information is already there - it shows the dps gain per stack so you can add 3 separate dps increases and comapre that to the three stack of one?
main blaze
but its possible for you to do it yourself
half ginkgo
was the assa specc buffed in the night? what did i missed here? :/
thorn crater
i dont think its that simple gilor
main blaze
Nothing buffed, just SS works now
thorn crater
it wasnt buffed they just fixed the broken trait
but before fixing it they realised it would deal massive dmg
so they made sure to nerf it first
😛
half ginkgo
i get it, thanks ^^
strange python
Meanwhile subs sstrike trait still exists
thorn crater
ikr
like i have daggers i have fists but i dont have SS traits
i cant complain though
so i just run outlaw until i do
main blaze
I'd probably run outlaw if blade flurry didnt feel awful
thorn crater
also BI trait sims higher than SS stacking in raid
which makes no sense to me
since 20 ilvl higher would mean more secondaries
which would mean higher crit already. why would u need even more
opaque tree
BL?
thorn crater
blightborne infusion
half ginkgo
SS = Shrouded Suffocation?
thorn crater
yes
opaque tree
oh
half ginkgo
ok ^^
opaque tree
blightborne does proc a shit ton, i had it on one of my traits but just recently replace it with SS
opaque tree
ahh i see
thorn crater
btw i am watching sodapoppin stream
he was transmog running for nax gear
and he got the gloves that doubles maim dmg or sth
half ginkgo
i'm thinking about to respecc to assa today.. got some decent daggers and i don't like outlaw.. just want to be decent in uldir heroic/mythic raid..
thorn crater
so now he uses wrath gloves
with the shittiest feral trait x3
and his maim deals 30-40% of a persons life
lol
strange python
my god
thorn crater
iron jaws trait
thats off topic though
my bad sry
so apparently sharpened blades is the highest sim atm
thorn crater
its what herodamage says
safe matrix
Iirc feral buffs were being pushed this reset
strange python
Herodmg ignores to many things
thorn crater
like?
thin plinth
when are assa buffs comming 😄
strange python
The fact that you NEED 3x of that trait for it to be worth and GL getting that on high ilvl pieces
Lets say raid gear
3x blade
Doesnt exist
strange python
And?
thorn crater
im talking progression now
what makes it bad
is what im saying
or what dont the sims take under consideration
btw inb4 people start killing raid members on mythic to get multiple sylvanas resolve proccs lol (jk)
strange python
does uldir open this reset?
strange python
i hope so im still short on stats
Warfronts,m+,normal and HC uldir and world boss next reset
strange python
The #1 spot to AFK at once a week for free item
Think on beta you got 1x 370ilvl item from it
thorn crater
doing what?
strange python
Standing AFK and winning 1 warfront
odd tundra
👌
prisma gull
warfronts are out?
strange python
No
odd tundra
Next thing
strange python
Next week
strange python
Oh what?
warped ingot
so we got 1 more week to grind all these WQs )))
thorn crater
the warfront
is it like a bg?
or more cotton farming
to make catapults and shit
zealous dew
vestal wren
oh wow EP seems very good
strange python
What do you mean
vestal wren
i just looked at the top builds on herodamage
thorn crater
not enough mastery for MP ?
strange python
MP just bad
lofty junco
for me is MP/blindside the best amt for ST
lament dove
it's 150 dps lower than same build EP
rough phoenix
So 2x SS should give instant 5combo points on garrote opener?
strange python
No
lament dove
no, only the dmg stacks
rough phoenix
Ok
hollow escarp
am I the only one triggered that assassination rogues can't use the Underlight Angler efficiently? it sucks to apply poisons everytime I swap back from the fishing artifact 😦
lament dove
you're not the only one:(
strange python
Why do u need to use the artifact?
hollow escarp
swiming
strange python
Ahh
lament dove
I didn't play in MoP and cba to farm the angler mount
hollow escarp
that's why I do wq on outlaw xD
royal lantern
wich pieces even have TB? cant find it in dungeons
untold snow
can somebody on NA check if SS works properly after server restart?
blissful crown
Is it first next weeks reset there will be a final tuning?
strange python
Tuning happens day before mythic uldir opens
blissful crown
Alright
hazy iron
@untold snow they were working before restart
I was able to equip a new set without ss traits and see a huge reduction in garrote damage out of stealth
versed finch
Ss hasn't been working so I hope they have fixed it
barren lotus
Tuning just before Myth uldir means possibly re-gearing to optimize dps 😦
barren lotus
I'm stuck outlaw until a second dagger drops
345 fist / 340 dagger atm
I like it, but I am sure progression in Uldir will involve time off target
hazy iron
It was literally working today, we were discussing the 20k garrote ticks
hwo to test: go to a training dummy with your SS gear. drop a garrote. Record the damage in details. Swap your gear out for no ss traits. do a garrote tick, and look at the difference. from stealth obviously
it's not rocket science
barren lotus
I'd like to spec sin for progression just due to it being the most forgiving of downtime
any reason the simc pre-raid runs tripple double dose and no SS?
strange python
thats the optimal patchwerk type setup
strange python
given the parameters the sim is run under, yes
which are?
but thats under those specific cirumstances, under those certain buffs wearing that certain gear, with zero mistakes and no movement
a lot of azerite choices in simc don't make sense. outlaw uses a paradise lost.
barren lotus
double dose is next dead last on triple target lol
lament dove
because you don't mutilate
night cypress
Can anyone explain to me why the trinket with use: gain agilty is good with flat crit but bad with flat haste?
looking at trinket lists on bloodmallet
stiff venture
Does SS work now my damage seems to have gone up from nowhere so im guessing it does?
strange python
it looks like simc only uses azerite pieces that can drop in dungeons.
yes SS is working.
@night cypress do you mean the spyglass vs galecallers?
lone junco
yes it works. and holy shit i get mad if I cant open from stealth.
that is a raid trait only. dead to me for M+
night cypress
no i'm talking the random ones that are flat crit/haste/etc and have an active to gain agility
strange python
whirlwing's plumage vs... plume of the seaborn avain?
who the hell comes up with these trinket names.
night cypress
whirlwind plumage vs....thunderbeards flask
barren lotus
can you imagine trying to come up with new names after a decade of itemization?
they probably just have a random word generator
night cypress
and this time they get to put the pirate filter on
night cypress
oh, ya thats uhhhhh pretty easy
half the cd tho?
ah but vendetta is 20 sec
ya okay reading wins
strange python
vendetta is a more reasonable explanation than i was going to give
didnt notice the cd
night cypress
i'm interested in spyglass vs boon tho too
strange python
scaling I guess. boon is better at 325.
both are neck and neck on herodamage.
spyglass apparently gets a big damage spike at 350
while barely giving a dps increase at 355
a whopping 0.1%
night cypress
BIG
somber egret
Exang was so fun to play with tho. Does crimson tempest work with exang target?
grim sail
neon sequoia
I have a question about capping combo points; is it correct that at 3+ combo points I always want to use envenom over mutilate
because I could crit and go over 5 and waste cp
mossy hazel
Think env is supposed to be 4+. You're more likely to only get 2 than to get the crit
neon sequoia
but each cp is worth the same dmg for env
so why not always avoid the risk of over capping
and just use env if in doubt as it's the same dmg per combo
mossy hazel
Modify the sim priority and test it out
mossy hazel
All the guides say env 4-5, including ravenholdt
neon sequoia
okay but you understand what I'm saying
if each cp is worth the same dmg and a 3cp env does more dmg than 1 mutilate
then why would you risk it
hazy iron
when you say each cp is worth the same amount of damage, are you saying that you believe envenom will hit for the same ammount regardless of cp?
neon sequoia
and it cost 15 less energy to env
hazy iron
cos that's not correct
neon sequoia
no
unique axle
Its about the envenom buff
neon sequoia
on my rogue
mossy hazel
Yea each cp increases dmg buff by 16%
strange python
poison application chance timer
hazy iron
ah yeah
unique axle
More cps = longer buff
neon sequoia
so wouldnt I rather keep envenom uptime
at 3 cp
save 15 energy
deal more dmg than mutilate
AND not risk overcapping
unique axle
Fit in two mutilates
hazy iron
relative to how slowly our energy regenerates, it's better to do it at 4 due to the buff
neon sequoia
but its a set increase of time per cp
its not exponential
so surely it doesnt matter if you do it at 1 or 5 cp
hazy iron
it doesn't need to be exponential
neon sequoia
as long as you keep it up
strange python
if sims and experienced players suggest going at 4 cp, and you cant figure out why, I might just take the advice lol
hazy iron
it's still an extra second of the buff, and more time to pool / mutilate
unique axle
Doing envenoms with 3 means you Spam mutilates More offen. Resulting in energy starving faster and Not being able to keep buff up long
Ok, Not More often, but quicker
neon sequoia
you're not energy starving faster though
because you're saving 15 energy by using envenom at 3cp rather than mutilate
mossy hazel
Where do yo get that number
neon sequoia
you're maximizing energy efficiency
strange python
dense af lol
hazy iron
my suggestion would be to go hit a dummy for 2 minutes, concentrating on envenoming at 3 cp, and then do it for 2 mins cocentrating on 4 cp envenoms, and compare the results
hazy iron
we told you why
hazy iron
no
neon sequoia
yeah I get the buff thing
strange python
thats it
hazy iron
because of your energy regen, you need more time between envenoms
unique axle
Its Not About saving 15energy. You also want more autohits to fit in your buff
neon sequoia
i'm not saying only env at 3 cp
im just saying dont risk overcapping if you're at 3 already
because the dmg per cp is the same at 3 than at 5
so why risk overcapping
that's all I'm confused about
strange python
im at 22% crit, therefore I stand a 78% chance to not crit, much safer to mut at 3 cp
neon sequoia
and the envenom buff is no better if you use it at 5cp than at 3
as long as you keep it up it's the same
mossy hazel
It's longer, therefore you can get more damage out of it
hazy iron
it is heaps better, because it's literally 2 seconds longer
neon sequoia
yeah crit would matter
yes but its 2 seconds per combo point
so it doesnt matter when you do it just that you keep it up surely
hazy iron
yes, and it's more time for you to refund energy
neon sequoia
if it was like 2, 6, 12
then it would make sense to max it
but since its 2 per combo point then why does it matter when you do it
hazy iron
you're completely ignoring the energy aspect. go try it, you'll starve
mossy hazel
I mean why wouldn't you want the longest window of extra damage, regardless of how long that window is
lofty sand
You know your dps is more than just envenom right? You need energy for everything else, you can't base your own rotation around envenom
its simple as that
marble hemlock
the reason we do 4+ is because people smarter than both you, me, and all the others taking part in this discussion, have spent a lot of time to simulate and try 3+, 4+ and 5+ finishing, and it turns out 4+ is just straightup the way to go. until theres evidence to support a change of how we view our finishing priorities, thats just the way it is
dense cedar
@mossy hazel
marble hemlock
well, its not because people said so
strange python
dig into it yerself then
neon sequoia
also does it apply to other specs?
marble hemlock
its because people tried out every possibility and it turned out to be the best
the intricate reasons as to why that is the case could be explained, but thats really not of importance imo
marble hemlock
pretty much, yes
strange python
for envenom specifically
marble hemlock
like, theres a bunch of variables that change when finishing at 3+ for example, that affects a bunch of other things that make up our gameplay and damage distribution. its hard to gauge which ones will increase/decrease and by how much, which is why he have models and APLs that simulate that sort of stuff for us
strange python
too long to type nvm lol
lofty sand
Demanding we put down some complex equations for you out of curiosity will often cause people to lose their patience with ya
if you're so curious dig in it yourself
marble hemlock
you can easily change the profile that you sim with to finish at 3+ though @neon sequoia
and see how much of a difference it actually is
coarse slate
How does sin hold up in dungeons these days? I am overly tired of RTB to the point I'm considering rerolling already -_-
strange python
me thinks the basic principle for envenom is, you're not evenoming back to back always, therefore you want the maximum buff duration, because it increases the throughput for insta poison application procs.
right?
lofty sand
We would need an equation with a bunch of variables to fully explain it m8 thats the whole point we're trying to make. Once you play around with your class enough you will realize that by yourself, you will see what we mean even if you don't have the exact number. It will just feel right.
lament dove
imho you're not saving energy by envenoming at 3, you're wasting it for a less effective envenom - you are spending that energy anyway after your next mutilate, so where's the saving?
strange python
stray, I dont think thats what he was saying
me thinks he meant wasting cp on the crit chance
neon sequoia
Yeah that was kind of what I meant
hazy iron
that's a valid point, he was concerned with the fact that each CP increases the buff and damage linearly, but we forgot to mention that the energy cost remained the same, so the higher the cp, the better envenom value for energy cost
neon sequoia
I see what you're saying though
I understand now but I was just curious, thanks for answering
strange python
if sin was exclusively envoming with no other variables, hirschy would be 100% right
hazy iron
yes, but fortunately there are other variables
lofty sand
yeah
strange python
the way things tie together isnt necessarily intuitive imo, so it was a valid question
lofty sand
sometimes you will overcap, sometimes you will use 4cp instead of 5. it will inevitably happen, so what you can do is try to make the best of each situation taking into consideration all the factors. Dot uptime, buff uptime, mechanics
strange python
How "big" are good weapons compared to shitty weapons?
neon sequoia
Errorsol that answers the questions
question*
what you mentioned about energy staying the same
marble hemlock
@neon sequoia if you want, you can do a regular sim, open the "profile" tab in the HTML report, and copy paste that entire profile, then look for the line actions.direct=envenom,if=combo_points>=4+talent.deeper_stratagem.enabled&(debuff.vendetta.up|debuff.toxic_blade.up|energy.deficit<=25+variable.energy_regen_combined|spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=2)&(!talent.exsanguinate.enabled|cooldown.exsanguinate.remains>2
and change the =>4 to =>3, copypaste the entire profile into the advanced sim part on raidbots, and get a result on how you would fare with a 3+ finishing playstyle
neon sequoia
yeah I'm dumb
so 5cp anything is worth more than 3cp despite the linear increase because energy cost stays the same
yeah that pretty much answers all my questions
strange python
its situational too though
if something is about to die, ill throw 1-3 cp envenoms at it, if its the last mob alive
marble hemlock
yeah, since we have finite resources to use, you want to maximize the damage per resource spent, in this case energy, since the CP component scales linearly
if we had infinite resources, or the energy cost of envenom would scale with how many CP we used on it (as in lower energy if we use less CP) then the playstyle you originally suggested would be better
strange python
ye
neon sequoia
Yeah but I overlooked the efficiency per cp being better as you have more cp because of energy staying the same
strange python
at least we all play a class that facilitates discussion lol
Does anyone else track elaborate planning and envenom buffs ?
hazy iron
absolutely
marble hemlock
everyone should :p
strange python
you would be surprised..
marble hemlock
since you want to clip EP as late as possible and/or pandemic envenom to not waste any of its uptime
neon sequoia
by the way are there any reliable dps meters yet for bfa? I'm checking simcraft but all the spots have completely changed in a few days so I'm not sure about it
lofty sand
as far as I know rogue community is one of the most technical one, at least thats what I felt so far. People do enjoy theorycrafting a lot here.
marble hemlock
well, the expansion is new, theres a constant stream of hotfixes or changes to the APLs/modeling of trinkets etc., so the results on simcraft obviously change fairly often
strange python
Yeah, a lot of it isnt reliable rn because shit has been changing every couple days
marble hemlock
well, its reliable, but its subject to change
neon sequoia
Well the gear it's showing for classes is 240 ilvl
strange python
on simc?
marble hemlock
thats the one you want to be looking at
its 340
the 240 one is legion with legendaries
strange python
feels druid
midnight ledge
Do u guys feel assassin is a middle tab specc atm?
lofty sand
I don't even know what a middle tab spec is.
lofty sand
ah, we have nothing to measure specs with, unless you consider heroic/m0s to be real serious content
strange python
I mean I feel like sin needs some stuff to help the class
lofty sand
we can trust some projections, like we all knew feral was in a horrible place
strange python
If feels not has fancy as outlaw or sub
Like I don't feel like an assassin
I dunno if anyone can help that internal strife lol
midnight ledge
Sin can be reliable for sure maybe even better then sub or outlaw
lament dove
how does an assassin feel?
strange python
I mean you have like a theme to outlaw like a pirate
Im just saying it doesn't feel unique enough ATM for me
lofty sand
my only wish is that PB was deleted and replaced with an actual skill, instead of a passive poop pool
strange python
Sin is a dot class, which are my favorite classes, so I'm rolling it no matter what. Also crushing dps meters.
i miss kingsbane
^
midnight ledge
Its better to have pb instead of waste cps on dice rolls
strange python
I want more dots tbh
run CT in dungeons for an extra
personally i think its a top tier dungeon spec
I simmed myself
I do less running ct
crimson tempest?
you ought to do less
Yeet
lofty sand
anything would be better than RNG bomb, gimme fucken Death from Above and I'll spec into that even if its not as strong. I rather have buttons to press than depending on luck to drop a pool of shit that does mediocre damage
strange python
dfa = just death
Lol
really, PB over CT even vs packs of 5 mobs?
I mean it's less energy
lofty sand
I use CT, I hate having to depend on rng to do good damage
strange python
But relying on procs sucks
midnight ledge
I choose the other way around and tbh i cant complain much with sin
lament dove
CT just doesn't do more aoe dmg for me...
lone junco
did you click it?
hazy iron
thing about ct is you need to spam it for it to do well
cinder lotus
lol
lofty sand
not only you need to rely on rng for it to proc, you have to rely on it to proc on the right mob, because if you are rupturing a mob a little farther from the others and that shit procs, there goes your damage, down the drain
hazy iron
the on hit is more valuable than the dot
strange python
CT does super well for me, more than PB on packs, I just replace envenom with CT
That and your tank pulling the mobs off the pb
Because it constantly happens
lofty sand
you cant even blame the tank, since blizzard made it so they cant see it
strange python
Wait really
cinder lotus
yeah u dont see the poison anymore
lament dove
it's not just PB it's more ruptures (instead of CT), more energy, envenom and more FoK, more DP dmg
cinder lotus
it just bomb the add
lone junco
Tied Mark for Death to envenom specifically?
lament dove
I'm gonna try CT more, but I just don't see the magic, even sim tells me same dmg
lone junco
that is dumb
dull root
im having fun with assassination once you get some good traits
strange python
Well, thanks for the name call. But thats what im asking for help on
lofty sand
its about having reliable on demand damage vs oh I may do really well this pull or not xD
cinder lotus
good traits u mean 3 SS and gg
strange python
I mean envenom is your burst right
lofty sand
if your group is about to face a challenging pull on a m+, would rather know how much you can do and work around it or just pray you get enough procs?
midnight ledge
I guess all questions on how good we can perform as assassin will be answered really soon. High end must probably will be assassin for sure
cinder lotus
no cant we stack SS anymore?
strange python
it works
dull root
Once raids come out assassination wont be the "weak" spec anymore
hollow junco
SS didn't stack before due to a bug, now it does (the dmg component)
lament dove
I don't beleive SS is fixed until I got home and tried it on the dummy, until then you're just trolling me again
slender sandal
Not on eu tho
midnight ledge
Still isnt imo forgivable
cinder lotus
then 3 SS and never look back
strange python
I mean in boss fights with the right circumstances I can top out at 12k dps with my bad gear
Im lvl 50. Ive been using garrote, rupture, mut mut, mod + env
dense yarrow
i dont have any SS traits 😃
zealous sable
I swear to god if I have to read questions about SS in a week I will never read this channel again
strange python
getting 20k garrote ticks lmao
Nice
i think ss damage is fixt
idk if we're getting the cp tho
i promise you it works
cinder lotus
we dont
dull root
I dont get 4 CPs off 1 garrote
cinder lotus
only 3
hazy iron
what? ofcourse we get the cp
strange python
just the damage that stacks
we get the cp off one
That's good then
cp doesnt stack i mean
lofty sand
the CP part doesnt stack m8
strange python
as with every other trait
lofty sand
never did
hazy iron
we're not meant to get more than 3 with stacked traits, the issue was the damage wasn't being added
strange python
ye damage is def fixt
dull root
Im simming for 12.5k with 2 SS and 1 Scent of blood
rough phoenix
I have 2x ss and 1 dagger in the back
cinder lotus
gotta find 2 piece to stack 3 SS >.<
dull root
Hoping to get another SS piece this week
cinder lotus
i scrapped them out lo
lament dove
lol
strange python
ss stack so pro for dungeons
lament dove
you have little faith in Blizzard
dull root
yeah 3 targets with a SS garrote is insane
cinder lotus
it sucks tho, to rely only in one trait when we have so many 😦
strange python
plus the long ass silence
lament dove
so are we rank1 dps nao?
strange python
theres always gonna be a meta, you dont HAVE to play ss
cinder lotus
Oh yeah i know
dull root
Sub sims the highest currently
cinder lotus
but if u want to be at the top
strange python
yea
cinder lotus
must have it lol
strange python
i like this garrote style thankfully
cinder lotus
me too
mossy hazel
I'm literally getting a dozen pieces with double dose on them...
cinder lotus
boe bought?
dull root
most of them were drops from guildies
cinder lotus
nice nice
dull root
bought 1 wep and the fathoms trinket
strange python
fathoms worth
mossy hazel
And I still haven't had a weapon drop from dungeons... I had 2 298 daggers last night, finally broke down and bought a 310 on the ah
strange python
im rocking a lowbie weapon still too
mossy hazel
Didn't buy 2 only because I know that if I bought 2 I'd immediately get a drop
dull root
Only reason I bought 355s was because mythic daggers cant titanforge to 355
lofty sand
I wanted to buy the darkmoon trinket but I got 350 shrine trinket and tol dagor one
so I don't feel like I should yet
strange python
So after i open with garrote, i can get a 4-5 rupture on, then i mut a couple times and was using Mod + envenom. Does that even sound right?
dull root
fathoms trinket is best by far
cinder lotus
try to garrote 3-4 mobs
strange python
idk why i asked that, you meant single target right?
cinder lotus
before subter dissapear
cinder lotus
mark of death?
kindred flame
You simply don't run it
cinder lotus
run vigor 😮
strange python
marked FOR death
kindred flame
🤷
strange python
yeah run vigor
Ah
there might be situation deeper is good too
but vigor is the go to
Ok
When should i be popping mfd
strange python
I had it macroed to env. But somepne said i was a dumb fck
dont use marked for death, use vigor for best results
and yeah thats a weird macro
K. It was melting the last 30% of mobs like instanly
Felt like an execute
The world is your oyster, do what ye want
CT does actually sim higher for me in add fights
it should sim higher for add giths
fights**
And it reset instantly...so i could chain mobs...and execute one after the other with 5cps
elusiv, thats the right use of it
It was just easier with the macro
chances are you're wasting resources or buff uptime with it macro'd like that
its better to have a separate macro, for maximum control and throughput
or keybind, rather than macro
Shiuld i be pairing it with something else?
ye be missing the point me thinks
you use it with whatever you need
you'll have to have a separate keybind for MFD
just make sure you're not wasting anything
K. I think your saying im wasting 5cp
idk, i havent watched you
is mfd on gcd?
dense cedar
was joke
strange python
Its been available with 90% of my envenom because i dont envenom until 30% left on mob
dense cedar
heh
strange python
!guide
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strange python
305 lol
dense cedar
what do u mean by that
ornate aspen
You mean pandemic window?
strange python
Well...in multi mobs, i garrote and rupture 3 targets. Then by the time i go back to the first, reapply and mut. I was executing them with mfd env
In dungeons
hazy iron
im curious as to hwo you weren't absolutely starving for energy by the time you return to your original mob
ornate aspen
Mut on 3+? 🤔
strange python
elusiv forreal, give the guide a thorough reading, it will help
Ok.
its the guide a lot of us learned from
dense cedar
oh
ornate aspen
Ohhhhh
strange python
lmao
dense cedar
lmfao
hazy iron
oops
dense cedar
if ur lewveling mfd is probably better cos everything dies in 3 seconds
ornate aspen
Place face on keyboard
Roll from side to side
urban storm
Who is rdy for another NA alliance war resource emissary!
strange python
mfd is legit for leveling
strange python
wtb 340 dagger wq
dense cedar
FIST WEAPON
strange python
I like the feel of assassin versus sub
dense cedar
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ornate aspen
Tell me thats a joke
dense cedar
OUTLAW TIME
orchid field
FUCKING REEE
dense cedar
YAAAAAR
ornate aspen
Reeeeeee
orchid field
DRUSTVAR
strange python
i dont see one
orchid field
a fist weapon though, why blizz. i thought i had my spec wrong
urban storm
emissary is class wide doesn’t take spec into@account
dense cedar
at least its good stats for outlaw?
strange python
my emissary is for azerite piece
dense cedar
.<
lament dove
eu horde emissary is like 700 gold
urban storm
Eu horde has gotten two weapons so there isn’t going to be much pity there
strange python
bruh i dont even see the weapon wq fml
ornate aspen
EU alliance or Us alliance
ornate aspen
Fuck
urban storm
No it’s region and faction
lament dove
I have 2x 340+ daggers anyway, so I need the gold more
ornate aspen
I have 325 daggers
urban storm
I’ve done 17 mythics and got no weapons
ornate aspen
So it could be worse
urban storm
I have a 320 and 310
strange python
weapon damage is just too op
ornate aspen
Agreed. Why is my white damage like 20%
Thats thats fucking stupid
I imagine they will tune it back somewhat. Its overwhelmingly strong atm
elfin raft
first toxic blade is matched up with first vendetta right? so on 2nd garrote refresh for subterfuge
ornate aspen
Tb on CD
blazing snow
nice fist weapon, I'll just be over here with my 310 and 286 daggers at 320 overall
ornate aspen
If its not on CD you are doing it wrong
ornate aspen
Yes for the first one
elfin raft
kk ty
strange python
wtb kingsbane
strange python
legion ability
ornate aspen
Spell in legion
strange python
got taken out
ornate aspen
Good fun
strange python
boring
elfin raft
o wow that looks noice
ornate aspen
KB was the most interactive part of the kit. Thats not saying much but still
strange python
nah
lone junco
shoulder by far
ornate aspen
Not counting leggos. Just base kit
lone junco
kb was nothing compared to shoulder bombs.
strange python
big dot you press on cooldown, didn't change rotation.
ornate aspen
It did tho lol
urban storm
The most skilled rogues knew to time their PB with shoulder window
urban storm
And boom, 99% parses
lone junco
@keen inlet why you steal my :exsang:
keen inlet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
strange python
emoji purge
keen inlet
democracy wins again
void pecan
strange python
sequel to the emoji movie
lone junco
5 ion tho
keen inlet
I'd watch that
toxic burrow
Clearly the vote was hacked.
ornate aspen
at least the classic survived
keen inlet
but this is #assassination , you can discuss your displeasure with literally everything ever in #off-topic
ornate aspen
Exang is an assassination ability. Technically we are discussing assassination 😘
green ruin
anyone elses emissary was a fist weapon???
lofty junco
non azerit armor piece
strange python
us horde is azerite piece
lament dove
but you need dagger for snek build...
blazing snow
but they don't have one today so it's totally lame
urban storm
They’ve also had two trinkets
kindred cedar
One dagger and one fist weapons
true ingot
What makes Emblem of Zandalar so good? Is it's RPPM really high?
kindred cedar
Wtb offhand to blizz
blazing snow
you can borrow my 286 off hand until you get one joock
urban storm
You can buy a 310
blazing snow
not when you just started up fresh on the opposite faction
strange python
just trinketed a druid root. Am a good rogue.
opaque grotto
Sooo did they fix SS?
slender hare
Yes, my garrote is doing 100k with 3x SS
true ingot
100k? That's getting nerfed so fast
tough lantern
the emissary just a fist weap for you guys too? no dagger?
slender hare
Probably yep, aoe on dungeon trash is insane with 3 garrotes
true ingot
inb4 it gets made worthless
ornate aspen
If they havent nerfed it yet they are clearly in no hurry
slender hare
They did nerf it already with 11% with the fix
ornate aspen
And its still doing 100k? Jeez
royal lantern
well, they nerfed ss, but the sub shadowstrike trait is ok?
lament dove
rofl
slender hare
Yea, but then again, from stealth only, so on a ST raid boss, you’ll get to do like max 3 with vanish
SS that is
true ingot
The sub SS trait will get hit too before mythic 100%
dull wadi
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azeritestacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.
primal lance
So 3 SS is the way to go now with the damage being fixed?
true ingot
Until it gets curb-stomped by tomorrow.
primal lance
Lol well either way. One of my pieces didn’t even have the option of SS which sucks but I’m also not 120 yet. Chillin at 119
deep badge
do i need to quest everything again if i level up a twink?
royal lantern
flypoints on the other faction zones/dungeon unlocks are acc wide
gleaming geyser
sharpened blades is movin up 
deep badge
ok thank you tryan
ember coral
Hello everyone
dense cedar
Hello
ember coral
What will be the best spec for raid ? sub or assa ?
true ingot
Depends on fight.
dense cedar
whatever your gear is better for
ember coral
In theory ? with best gear on both spec
true ingot
Depends on fight.
dense cedar
what scragg said then
strange python
@ember coral there are those calm mind things
NOOOOBBOODDDY SAAAIDDD IT WAS EEEASSYYYY
That will let your switch specc
I think and abilities
strange python
I don't know what to do with all the cooking mat I have
I wanna keep them but I also wanna sell
strange python
I have some midnight salmons
I have so much fucking meat
It's clogging up my bags
blazing snow
seeing another rogue's sap pop up on one of the two enemies next to me so I sap the other one to let the other rogue I can't seeknow I'm there, we both open up at the same time and roll them and leave...feelsgoodman
steep citrus
now kiss
magic zenith
Week till raid, I'm ready for a red name again.
strange python
you guys running PB or CT in dungeons?
steep citrus
blade rush
strange python
ct or hb
lmao
i'll admit i havent touched sin rogue since launch
Pb
CT feels like a waist of energy and skill points
But that's how I feel
Combo points*
I think of pb as the single target talent and ct as the aoe
lofty junco
i will go with PB until i got 20+% haste
bursting blood:
both potions seems be viable
lone junco
In cleave. Ct is going to scale with crit. Because right now we can't fill out cps consistently from 1 FOK.
But apl doesn't have you refreshing the same as we did in legion.
Tldr. I'm playing outlaw for 5man.
Bte rotation with deadshot is good cc. And st damage and cleave.
I tried Ss sin. But blow stealth on pull and you waste everything.
steep citrus
bte + kick + gouge when you need lots of interrupts in these dungeons
lone junco
I'll try again at 2/3 agi rupture.
Yeah the gouge is very nice. And bte weak buff.
Prey is up in time for deadshot. And others.
urban storm
Can’t you no longer even switch gear in m+?
lone junco
M0 yes. M+ no.
muted jacinth
crimson tempest is usually my #2 damage in mythics right now for overall. or maybe 3. pb seems like a huge waste for mythics in general
steep citrus
how much is pb of your damage when you try it in mythics?
and remember all the cp you spent on ct is now being used for other shit in addition to the pb damage
brave gyro
Found this spreadsheet. This guy I remember in WoD, but didn't know he still played. Hope it helps bois ^^
lone junco
Not clicking that.
strange python
spreadsheet by infexious
like the raider lexion stuff
i know i was skeptical too
could be anything these days
brave gyro
i am offended you assume anything bad @lone junco also its a google docs link sooo
lone junco
Still not clicking.
strange python
lmao
strange python
hey infexious is somewhat reliable
timber mauve
bis items are off but meh
brave gyro
he is sometimes wrong, but at least he tests stuff @strange python I like the guy
strange python
not sure how frequently it's updated
steep citrus
infexious, spending 12 minutes to tell you that haste affects bleeds now
his videos drive me nuts. can't watch them. too much jabber
brave gyro
As I said, I didn't even know he still plays since wod 😄
sacred ore
during AoE/Cleave fights should i toxic blade the priority target?
brave gyro
but i did like his WAs for legion - now locked behind patreon 🤢
sacred ore
mmm
wheat zealot
muted jacinth
I have no issues with spending points on ct. pb damage is hardly anything and relying on procs is a dime a dozen. rupture is hardly any of my overall damage anyway (I do spend points on rupture in aoe but when you have a 13s tempest ticking you have a ton of time of apply ruptures)
strange python
Since the Tiny Electromental in a Jar got buffed by 233% would it couple well with Toxic Blade?
lone junco
is that a Use? or just passive proc/dmg
strange python
it's a youtube thing
<10 min vids are unfavored by the algorithm or something
might be a myth
Passive/Proc and it does Nature Damage @lone junco
dense cedar
gotta get a dagger so i can play sin again 
strange python
You'd think youtube would not let it be that simple
vestal wren
all 3 specs work well with dagger 😉
lone junco
if it is a passive proc, then you cant align it with tb on purpose.
timber mauve
lol@snake eyes
lone junco
so whatever the sim comes up with.
🐍 was fun. couldnt play it for more than like 20mins.
but CHOPCHOPCOPP
brave gyro
@vestal wren sorry for posting the spreadsheet on all 3 channels, but think it might be useful, at least a bit
timber mauve
lol, what weapon....oh ya
vestal wren
that spreadsheet just looks wrong from the first look at it, nothing personal
brave gyro
aa, didnt look too much into it, i just stumbled upon it
strange python
i appreciate the gesture
brave gyro
its not mine, so i wouldnt take it personaly
vestal wren
i can be wrong, but i dont see a circumstance where vigor is the go-to talent choice for sub
brave gyro
after all, the fastest way to find the right answer on the internet is to post something wrong 
valid oxide
Guys should I use garrote 2 times as my opener ? having shrouded suffocation
craggy peak
On single target you will garrote from stealth then vanish-garrote to refresh it.
lofty junco
!guide
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craggy peak
On multi-target, garrote 3 enemies from stealth
brave gyro
we need a :FeelsThinkingMan: emote here 😄
plucky harness
Booois, is the Agi pre-pot or the "bursting blood" the one to go for in ST?
keen haven
why is sharpened blades simming so high?
brave gyro
sims will tell @plucky harness i know for warriors its supposed to be blood
slender hare
Were agi flasks this expensive at the start of legion as well? Can’t remember. Flask of the Currents is 2k on my server
wary onyx
yes, flask are always expensive at the start of the expac
lofty junco
i had post 2 sims a time before. blood was ahead of agi
lone junco
old war was 1k per potion in early legion
keen haven
Anyone? why is sharpened blades so high on the trait list
Am i missing something
I assume i am
vestal wren
#tc-research read the last posts
keen haven
ty
lofty junco
i think its just a bit annoying that the BIS trait from Sin got nerfed but that shadow strike op trait from sub is still good...^^
keen haven
sub will most likely get a nerf in the coming weeks
ebon bramble
@keen haven i was actually thinking the same
vestal wren
not sure tbh
ebon bramble
that and outlaw will most likely get a 5% nerf to their blade flurry
honestly a lot of the crazy AOE dps right now will likely get a bit of a nerf. frost mage, dh, arms warriors, ww monks etc
ebon bramble
pretty sure there will be more
keen haven
got chunked
keen haven
yh
slender hare
!wa
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late goblet
soo is SS fixed yet?
barren lotus
at how many stacks do you use poison knife now then?
strange python
yes
late goblet
still top trait?
strange python
yes
late goblet
nice ty