But probably G if I do.
#assassination
civic palm
desert maple
Why not using blindside?
desert maple
Kick is on a mouse button?
civic palm
yeah
desert maple
Hmmm
I was looking at using 2345, S2345, C2345 for my attacks
using G for an attack seems "Strange"
desert maple
^
excellent binding for jumping
Sspace is interesting
Can you send me your TOTT macro?
civic palm
I use it for resetting Details O _O
no
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, help] [@focus, help] [@targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade
I was not going to go into my fucking macro file and get it from there.
I just found it elsewhere >_>
This might be completely fucking broken at the time.
desert maple
Hmmm that's the same one I was using, believe it or not!
civic palm
Because my actual macro is;
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, help] [@focus, help] [@targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade; Tricks of the Trade
not sure I understand that difference
civic palm
No.
void bloom
Did anyone put together a spreadsheet of BIS gear from heroics for the early days?
desert maple
God that would be awesome - That and Azerite traits
dire spoke
ugly keybinds
bright sand
lol
strange python
rekt
fleet whale
keybinds are all what work for you or at least that is how I have always seen it
dire spoke
l i t e r a l l y
fleet whale
i'm sure my binds would be "ugly" to many other players
bright sand
i bind most of my keys on my mouse like faint mark for death vanish spirt blade flurry/fan of knives
attacks on keyboard
fleet whale
Like I have shadowstep binded to 2 even though most people use 2 for an attack button... I just like having a quick mobility button that is really easy to reach
bright sand
movement keys always works good for me on my mouse
I use button 5 right in the middle of the mouse buttons
fleet whale
my mouse has pretty much all my defensives, an aoe button, and 1 to 2 short cd buttons
dire spoke
my mouse has two buttons
fleet whale
mine doesn't have like a numpad on the side of it, I think I use 6 of the 7 extra buttons on it
ionic crown
2 buttons and no keybinds
dire spoke
I have like ... 4 keybinds I occasionally use
fleet whale
I used to click on my abilities in BC and part of wrath
oblique pike
i had to redo my keybinds after playing WW monk
spec has so much stuff in its rotation that needs to be on demand
rancid oxide
i type all my abilities out keybinding is for elitists
placid egret
desert maple
just spent some time re-working my stuff. Can anyone see if I "missed" something, or any recommendations on how to make this tighter/better?
I have Kick/Blind/Kidney bound to my mouse on a seperate bar
rustic ether
not ryl seeing as how you got it all fomr the same video as me lmfao
rustic ether
im not going to call you out on it or anything becuase i could care less but all your weakauras for your ui are exactly like the ui setup in a youtube video in the exact same order too
xD stahp
onyx rock
I would disable the Aurabars over the Target Frames (you track your dots over your wa's) and i would disable your action bars since you track all your cd's inlc. your utility stuff over your wa's too. Than i would go to the off topic channel and check the pins for Riff's Stuff and download his weakaura skin so it will look clean
desert maple
I wasn't meaning the weak auras
I'm trying to re-work my action bars, layout - I'm totally using Luxthos' WAs
rustic ether
ok xD was like bruh theres no chance you just made those WAs on accident
carry on then ❤
onyx rock
Yes i would hide the bars. If you miss something you want to track you can always add a new Weakaura. Like one for your pre pot
There is space under your vanish weakaura... you could add one there
desert maple
If only I knew how to actually make them 😄
So I put this WA stuff from Riff into the WA folder?
dire spoke
°-°
desert maple
Gotcha
so as far as skills themselves and positioning? @onyx rock
Talking keyboard positioning, not actionbar positioning
onyx rock
I dont know what you are asking
desert maple
I'm trying to figure out a better way to physically position abilities on my keyboard to work better
onyx rock
Oh you mean keybinding
desert maple
Yeah
onyx rock
Its a very personal thing
onyx rock
I personal like my keybind near wasd... i have 1-5, qerf and schift+qerf and some other stuff
dire spoke
don't use keybinds, gone is the keybind problem
civic palm
That is true... o_O
onyx rock
Yeah Zempai here clicks his stuff
desert maple
I was using the same layout, ran into not quite having enough room
onyx rock
And doing rank 1 with that lol
desert maple
now seems way too much room, so my brain is going "YOU MISSED SOMETHING" or "There's totally a better way to do this"
sleek spear
Cleanest UI is the default ui !
desert maple
about that lol
onyx rock
I like the default to... default with custom Weakauras and unit frames
desert maple
hmmmm
rancid oxide
my keybinds are totally fucked up, i use qwert and 12345 with alt modifers for all of those and for movement i only use my mouse. side buttons for strafe backpedal and move forward for when i need to move mouse and go forward at the same time
desert maple
Seems riff's WA thing only works for WeakAuras, not WeakAuras2
O.O
Wow @rancid oxide
onyx rock
@desert maple it works with weakaurs 2
sleek spear
@onyx rock totally agree. Keep it simple with a few simple auras to track buffs. Too many weakauras over complicate things
ionic crown
OG weakauras haven't been a thing in a while
because of the shit you could do with them
like making the downloaders characters mail you all the gold they have lol
dire spoke
lewd
ionic crown
onyx rock
this is mine
dire spoke
lol
civic palm
What's the non-Riff texture?
versed mica
I'm assuming assassination is so much better than the other specs rn because of the 4 pc bonus?
civic palm
@onyx rock ^^^
desert maple
nah, it's better cause it's better 😃
onyx rock
@civic palm wich one do you mean ?
versed mica
I'm just curious smh
civic palm
name of texture?
versed mica
I do like 500 more dps in ass than outlaw when I have 4 pc, about the same when I don't lmao
onyx rock
Oh its "skullflower 2"
onyx rock
The unit frames are skullflower too
civic palm
Yeah
rigid pasture
Sooooo how are we feeling about the subterfuge nerf and CT nerf
uneven badger
chwila
radiant fossil
Hi guys, for those who gonna level as assa with friends for bfa, i suggest you mantle + cloak, nightstalker + hidden blade + pvp talent flying daggers (since everyone gonna play on warmode). Just one shot every packs of mobs. Hits for 60k+ dmg aoe and it recharge fast enough.
strange python
yeah great "prepatch balancing" when it will remain in bfa till new fix
pastel bough
Damnit, i chose sephuz and insignia :P
frozen pecan
What do you even mean? @strange python
Ofc it stays, its still prepatch balancing
Rogues are overtuned aswell
vestal wren
🤷
past harbor
Hey guys, i would like to ask a couple questions since i dont see clearly in the guide what to do in the situation i am about to describe. Suppose you are in a dungeon facing a 4 mob group, you start from stealth by garroting everyone taking advantage on subterfuge, and then what should you do? spam fan of knives to 5 CP to apply Crimson Tempest, apply rupture to every target or just start envenoming one?
nimble tartan
in general for like dps meter numbers, you'd want to put a CT up and then apply ruptures to as many mobs as you can that will live long enough for it to be worth it and envenom whatever target you choose. In real world application this could be different, for example on infested you might want to nuke the infested mob in a timely manner so you would prioritize envenoming that instead of putting up more ruptures to mobs
past harbor
So, ideally if the 4 targets are to be equally killed i should apply all my dots to all of them right?
and if there is a priority target this rule changes
nimble tartan
yeah basically
rough phoenix
you all gonna level up as assi?
strange python
Iam still not sure outlaw or assasin. At the moment in dungeons I pull alot more dps with assasin then with outlaw. But that can just be me playing outlaw wrong I suppose
Ilevel is pritty the same Sin/Outlaw
fast willow
I mean you shouldnt be judging damage atm, we've not hit level cap and had the rebalancing patch that first raid tiers usually bring.
rough phoenix
we will see, without legendarys and tier setbonuses it will be alot different
strange python
Yeah.
normal galleon
I just hope assassination is playable through the expansion for the dumb baby content my friends and I will do.
quick ice
For non-mythic raiding or pushing high keys, it will be 100% fine
Even low-mid end mythic raiding, tbh
hexed sinew
I do hope so. I'm too dumb to play any other specc as for now.
normal galleon
Word, my dude.
hexed sinew
And going Rogue as second Main to play with friends.
strange python
well outlul with rtb is pure shit, no fucking way anyone can play it in mythic progression properly, so don't worry there are not much choices
hexed sinew
one of my "classmates" is going outlul - or rather keeping it up
strange python
how it's not bad? it's literally the same
quick ice
there are more than 1 buff that you keep
and I'm pretty sure at the height of RTB, it was TB or 3+ buffs
strange python
yeah it's 2 now
quick ice
you're up to about 50% chance to have to reroll any given roll I think
strange python
So in it's current state RtB even with 1 unideal buff is a dps gain from SnD
crit and attack speed buffs are only good, the rest 4 is shit
But still better than SND
it can't be so when they are just useless
quick ice
double CP useless 🤔
strange python
Tell that to the thousands of sims run on it
garbage spec can't be simmed properly
quick ice
I'd like to note that current sims actually have enhance with more DPS variance
also that this is probably the wrong channel for this discussion
lone junco
@normal galleon if all numbers were equal. Assassin is always best at single target tunneling. But any time where dps need to hard swap to an add, But don't want to burn vendetta on trash, I would rather be sub or outlaw.
Can def stick to one spec forever though. Especially if you perform better than you would on the others.
normal galleon
Yeah. At the beginning of legion my aoe was dumpster tier.
lone junco
Pb on rupture helped.
normal galleon
Functional enemygrid would be nice.
lone junco
I think 4p21 probably helped most. That and Pk relics. Rip.
Default ui nameplates track bleeds now.
Anyway. Zzz
strange python
you will never perform well on hard mythic bosses like argus in outlul anyway
numbers doesn't matter
quick ice
hell, even 50th percentile https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/17#boss=2092&dataset=50
lone junco
Imagine doing mythic argus but asking discord randos which spec to play
And what people perform better at, has little to do with simc outputs.
quick ice
fwiw, outlaw maintains that #3 spot on argus logs from 10percentile to 95percentile
lone junco
It's bfa time. No more legion logs to validate angyhing.
quick ice
I'm only using legion logs because he specifically mentioned argus
lone junco
Tier is dying. Oranges dead. Nothing legion matters except toolkit.
It's ok. We bfa rogues now.
strange python
it's prepatch zerg kills, no one ever would mastering it in outlul
quick ice
I'm about 95% sure lok killed it as outlaw when he progged it even?
strange python
why is this even in discussion
median egret
true ingot
You can do it but why would you
You won't stack it between packs
So just check the pins for the recommended leggos for leveling.
drifting gorge
So i was looking for dungeons and early raid is poison bomb the better option? or is it still undecided?
exotic glen
if you only ever have 1 target, it is best yes
silk sundial
Anyone who has played in the beta, bloodmallet shows that Shrouded suffocation is bis with 1-3 stacks. Curious how the effect stacks, if you have 3 stacks do you get 6 combo points? Or does the damage stack?
royal lantern
not sure about the combo points, but the dmg stacks yeha
silk sundial
What would you trust more, Bloodmallet azerite sims or wowhead azerite sims? They are showing totally different things
strange python
Shouldnt trust anything you see on wowhead
silk sundial
Lol got it.
strange python
If you are looking for stacked charts, better to stick with blood/herodamage
lyric gorge
Are things really gonna die slower as sin and make a noticable difference than with outlaw/sub for leveling?
silk sundial
Early on, no since you have your leggo effects, later on probably since sin has more ramp up time on damage. If you are aoe group leveling outlaw is the way to go
random sentinel
Hello all, i look the guide for Sin BFa but i don't see the way to Heart of azeroth do you have a idea ?
solid nova
You'll get it from the first set of quests you do
mossy mortar
what talents we feeling for levelling as sin?
weak pine
I'd personally use roll the bones since it's pretty much BiS
chrome depot
Ive been playing both and I just dont know which I prefer in M+ yet MfD or Vigor
I guess it is situationa
shy mica
What are you guys running as leveling talents tomorrow?
random sentinel
idk
exotic glen
its between monday night and tuesday right
weak pine
Yes
exotic glen
yeah nice job being really pedantic
who said i did
im still failing 5th grade
fucker
weak pine
Ahahaha you are even more retarted than I thought
weak pine
You come to the toxin spec channel and expect people to not be toxic?
I guess you're new here
weak pine
I was trying to be for the meme
exotic glen
have you tried comparing our post count?
weak pine
Because you got more posts means you're better than me in some aspect?
exotic glen
hahaha the guy with about 200x more posts than me is probably new here
you'
are dumb
exotic glen
this discussion is absolutely useless and im not gonna respond to it any further, just gonna let @gusty kestrel do their job
solid nova
?warn @weak pine If you cant be nice to people, then dont type anything at all
turbid mantleBOT
Jelo Xale#4251 has been warned.
weak pine
I was being sarcastic smh
solid nova
Disagree if you like, thats perfectly fine - but theres no need to be rude what so ever.
strange python
Thats not how RH works
solid nova
Im EU and it releases tomorrow for me
So not sure what you're on about in the first place
weak pine
In finland it's 1am on tuesday
weak pine
Uk?
solid nova
Yeah
weak pine
And CET is 12am tuesday
So most of europe gets it on tuesday
Which is what I was referring to
strange python
So calling someone "fucker" and "idiot" is fine?
exotic glen
it releases one second after 11:59:59PM, i think saying "tomorrow" is acceptable
shy mica
^
Let me rephrase it then "What talents + warmode talents are you guys going to run when BFA releases in your timezone"
exotic glen
to actually answer your question, it would look something like 2210023
slender jasper
cargo's reaction was definitely not sound though. looks to me like they definitely bounced off each other. fighting fire with fire is never pretty
solid nova
If you cant adapt your language for the server, then just dont contribute.
solid nova
Its a generalised statement.
weak pine
Sorry of I offended you
exotic glen
warmode talents would probably be like flying daggers, creeping venom, system shock @shy mica
shy mica
Dont u think EP is kinda meh in leveling environment?
exotic glen
hmm
shy mica
I feel like MP would contribute more in esp with warmode on
More poison talents + strong crippling
exotic glen
nah most of it will most likely be AoE pulling > Fok > CT
im not sure your poisons would tick long enough for mp to be worth
shy mica
flying daggers + hidden blades not worth it right
slender jasper
in my personal opinion, i dont think rogues really need warmode talents for pvm. we have tons of tools to be effective as is. More importantly, if you have warmode ON for leveling, there is a high chance u will be questing in enemy faction areas from what i understand. having the BiS pvp talents could save your life if you know how to use them
exotic glen
its not worth because they changed how the spells interact morsei
shy mica
ah right
exotic glen
flying daggers alone for fok > ct spam is fine though
exotic glen
sure dude, come back anytime you need help
if no one is really answering, you can feel free to ping me
strange python
@slender jasper remember the factions are separated by islands
so the first few days or so, there will be hardly any alliance on zandalar
slender jasper
been reading reddit and they say some quests have you go into enemy lines.
like i said, its a high chance as far as i've read
so yeah
next summit
anyone leveling as assasination?
haughty lily
i am, and is there guide in where to get the BiS gear
slender jasper
darkshore until release. then questing
strange python
What spec will you guys level as?
exotic glen
sub i think
lofty sand
Assassination, I'm just more comfortable with it, I can just focus on the scenery and quests and let muscle memory do the combat for me
strange python
Alright
wild lagoon
does anyone know where the questing will begin from in BFA for alliance? I want to make sure I am camped there ready for launch :D
ripe nimbus
Magni in silithus
rotund pier
@wild lagoon Go to Silithus, You'll Never Walk Alone 😉
ripe nimbus
Just remember to turn off warmode
wild lagoon
@ripe nimbus @rotund pier Thanks both of you, is there any wow head links to this? ha yeah I want to quest. I will leave world pvp for 120 ha
ripe nimbus
That's horde the magni part is for both sides tho
wild lagoon
Great stuff, yeah I would have guessed would be same for both. I heard rumours of silithus but needed this confirmation thanks guys
solid cape
What are people planning to use for BFA leveling leggo wise, Shoulders and Sephuz or Shoulders and FoK cloak?
honest compass
I’m actually gonna use ravenholdt and mantle
Switching out for pants when I need to heal
sage ice
https://puu.sh/Bd23z/7b0108e822.png does someone know whats this for an UI addon? i mean the hp from the character
oblique pike
the purple hp bar?
sage ice
yes
oblique pike
might just be elvui
i know you can change text etc
wouldnt be surprised if you could set a background like that
marsh fjord
You can set a background like that
sage ice
oh i see, thank you
sage ice
no, i dont use it
marsh fjord
if you are ever going to use it, it's /ec > unit frames - player frame - Enable the box with potrait
sage ice
aight thank you 😄
alpine hedge
anyone else getting his Garrote put on cd right away even tho spec'd into Subterfuge?
supple hearth
No
alpine hedge
weird af
first I thought might be cause of macro
but even on garrote from spellbook
silk sundial
You are using it from stealth right?
alpine hedge
aye
exotic glen
incarnated for high lvl m+
yliajo used to stream anrotus farm but since thats over 🤷🏿
dense blaze
I wanna start bets on what the next nerf will be for this class
lone junco
Prob a shift from garrote back to rupture damage imo.
The another push on Ct from hit to tick. Calling it a wash.
dense blaze
"We have removed auto attack for rogues"
You'll have to press auto attack and it causes GCD
strange python
legy´s for levelling?
spring lantern
Short question, we take Subterfuge only to buff Garote?
exotic glen
its also so you can stun the boss mobs for that extra dmg from prey on the weak
spring lantern
Right
exotic glen
im just kidding if you didnt notice
spring lantern
I didn
exotic glen
yes just to buff garrote, and if there are multiple targets, you can cast garrote still
spring lantern
I didn't think that would be worth
exotic glen
you cant stun boss mobs
lone junco
subterfuge is still good on bosses depending on garrote damage profile.
garrote, vanish refresh (10s) , vanish refresh. (2min 10s)
it's just numbers. depends on how good or shitty NS rupture is at that time.
north terrace
man bloodmallet has some great info like best azerite pieces and stuff. Didn't even know it existed until today when someone mentioned it in here, glad they did 😄
looks like it's using the same sim profiles as the pre raid stuff that's on hero damage I think?
north terrace
Yeah I really like that as well
Wish the two sites were just mashed together lol. Some stuff seems better on one and other stuff on the other one lol
Just using them both right now to see what dungeons and stuff I want to push to farm at 120
lone junco
not sure I like the plotting of it. could grey out anything under 5% from bis.
north terrace
Yeah, I could definitely see that being nicer
The representation on that dot plot just looks weird lol
I mean... now that I've looked at a few of them it makes sense kinda... but could definitely look nicer
I will say that it's pretty nice that all 3 of our specs seem to have similar stat prio lol
Heavy haste/Crit with some vers... mastery seems bad for every spec though?
Or at least... not as good as other stuff lol
vestal wren
just sth like this
vestal wren
the dot plot is still nice if you want to compare diffrent points e.g. look how much of a loss it is to be not optimal
lone junco
I just wish those were easier for me to do personally
north terrace
Oh shit, I didn't realize it was 3d lol
When you first look at it it looks like a 2d image
lone junco
yeah, it spins.
vestal wren
the flat circles looked better then the 3d looking ones
lone junco
I would like to see them with 8t 20s. etc. but it is what it is.
these require python and other stuff right?
vestal wren
those where the 3d dots in comparison
the flat dots are visually cleaner (in my opinion)
north terrace
It seems a little off to me too... maybe not though?
Like it's saying mastery rating converts to the same percent as the same rating for other stuff
lone junco
are those smaller than 10% intervals?
north terrace
Looks like for trinkets sin and sub have pretty similar top ones... so that's nice
Azerite pieces are all over the place for all 3 specs though lol
Blizz logic: let's get rid of AP and make it so one item is where you put all your resources to make changing specs easier. also let's make it so there are 3 pieces of gear that you need specifically for each different spec to do the best and definitely don't have them overlap
vestal wren
gear system in bfa is legendary's™ 2.0
north terrace
I thought it looked a bit more like relic 2.0
supple hearth
When a mommy relic and a daddy legendary love each other very much...
north terrace
lol
north terrace
Yeah
dark token
easiest gearing of my life
north terrace
I wonder though... it seems like the mastery rating may be a bit off though? I dunno, I don't TC very much so I could be way wrong
supple hearth
It's all about that spyglass
north terrace
Yeah... and the only agi dagger in the game specs too
vestal wren
ferals have dagger too 💢
north terrace
I was looking in the raid journal and it didn't show the second boss dropping the daggers for feral spec
north terrace
Well it looks like galecallers should be an early pick up if you can get it
It's BiS for Sub and 2nd for sin
I wonder how big the raidus for it is though?
north terrace
Exsang is a little behind right now though right?
lone junco
if you can rip the subterfuge garrote and a rupture during vendetta over the 10sec trinket use.
"behind" always depends on the fight condition.
north terrace
Yeah, that's true
lone junco
and the assumptions of the sim.
dark token
if a feral takes my daggers gkick
lone junco
but yes.
north terrace
Well... it's all personal loot lol
dark token
gkick.
north terrace
So... unless I'm missing something ferals can't loot daggers
So no worries there anyways
Like the raid journal doesn't show the dagger as a drop off of Mother and wowhead shows it only available to sub and sin loot spec
Plus I remember reading about or hearing something about ferals being able to transmog to daggers for the artifact appearances despite the fact that they won't be able to loot daggers in BfA
warm parcel
ferals still cant dw daggers no
north terrace
Weapons are still only allowed to TF to like +10 or +15 right?
vestal wren
max +10 iirc
safe matrix
Not from weekly m+ cache though
cause it force titanforges it higher iirc, but that might be a bug
but otherwise +10 max
north terrace
Oh so you mean it'll put it to the M+ cache ilvl even though it shouldn't normally go that high?
safe matrix
I think so, thats what I've heard. But I havent experienced this myself
north terrace
I mean... hopefully they just don't allow weapons from the cache because either way that sounds awful lol
vestal wren
i assume he means that weapons in the chest can be as high as max tf
north terrace
Like... then you just would hope every week that you get a weapon
Since it would automatically be the best possible thing
cinder palm
I know sub is going to be like go to for the first seasonal affix in M+, but how did you guys think sin will fare? I haven’t seen anyone stream M+ beta on sin
vestal wren
ppl played outlaw a lot bc. it works very well there
they took quite a while till they realised sub was good after secret was working
cinder palm
Yeah sub seems insane for infested
lone junco
all i saw from sub was a strong open with a limp sustain.
safe matrix
sub is lbasically tailor made to run down infested, and sin too but sin needs higher crit to do that iirc
lone junco
but all things change. and sin if you dont have another snare.
vestal wren
outlaw has quite a stong aresenal, i see it as a compatitive spec
lone junco
yeah. blade flurry blade rush has really strong alignment for each M+ pack.
north terrace
according to the sims it is pretty good overall
lone junco
unless pulls get weird then you wind up with a cleave gap.
north terrace
All 3 rogue specs actually look pretty good, middle-high end for the sim damage
cinder palm
I really enjoy all 3 so that’s good
north terrace
And then in M+ we're just good all around 😛
Since we have a lot of personal survivability, a threat redirection, stealth groups through shitty packs and whatnot
north terrace
that works out okay for % though?
north terrace
In the dungeon journal it shows azeroth world bosses for BfA, are those going to be weekly world bosses like we had in legion?
strange python
probably
north terrace
Some pretty good gear off of them right now 😛
Looks like heed my call is the best secondary on azerite that we can get right now for all 3 specs.
latent merlin
Guys, how is Assa in m+ in BfA (in the current state). I have no Beta and couldnt test myself. But my premade group, with whome i played around 4,6k r.io are saying i shall reroll to Sub or Outlaw.
vestal wren
all 3 specs look good, sub/outlaw seems to be slightly ahead
lone junco
for high keys, I have heard that there becomes gaps in blade flurry uptime, where CT can compete. but they nerfed ct a bit, so youll have to just be good at all 3 😉
valid oxide
Is there any azerite trait sim?
latent merlin
Thats what i thought. People complained about me being Assa all legion. I know my Score wasnt that high, but it wasnt as Bad either as some people told ne i can get with assa
safe matrix
Seliathan is the number one ranked rogue for m+ and he's sin
it just took a while to scale, they get better with harder content since their dots have time to tick out
bold steppe
Is it OK to macro Vendetta and Vanish together? (for PvE)
ripe geyser
Will you all lvl as assa? Considering which specc to go for 110-120
lucid elm
So ive been testing Hiddenblades + legen cloak, Pvp talent to boost FoK dmg. It seems REALLY strong to burst down huge packs. Is this a viable strategy to level with? or is it gonna get nerfed. Right now im hitting atleast 20k crits in 212 ilvl
lone junco
@lucid elm it is not getting nerfed again. but. the stack time is kinda lame. if you gear swap to this while mounted, and open hard, would be ok. maybe swap to something else when it doesnt have time to stack.
sly bloom
@lucid elm thats what im planning on doing as well
I see 34k crits at 216 ilvl on 3+ targets
Well its always gonna crit anyway with mantle
1 min between packs seems reasonable
Like you need 15 mobs for a quest, you round up everything, boom, move to next quest, 30 stacks back up
sly bloom
Not gonna be valid all the time
But to me it seems like the most fun option
If that doesnt work out i can always swap to sub or outlaw
lucid elm
ye, isnt 100% sure if im gonna level as ass, or sub.
Leveling food is Fighter Chow right? cant seem to find a better option
north terrace
tbh it depends on if you need the healing or not
kindred cedar
Whats the name of the healing food?
north terrace
Fighter chow..
past harbor
Whats the best rotation for sin on 8+ targets?
lone junco
@past harbor current would be subterfuge
either. Garrote x3 CT. vanish garrote 3 more, ct fok ct fok ct.
or save that vanish for later.
depends on time till boss.
you might weave in an env for buff uptime.
all this will be sorted out once balancing is over. CT hit value matters.
stable oxide
Maybe a wierd question to ask in the assassination channel, but what is the best raiding specc in BfA?
any beta vids of that?
past harbor
@lone junco So you wont rupture the pack right?
supple hearth
@stable oxide ask again in a month.
different specs will likely be best in different fights
lone junco
based on what I know now. ruptures are shit compared to CT when hitting more than like 3 targets.
stable oxide
Yeah but then i most likely know the answer myself xD
lucid elm
CT's dot dmg seems to be 75% of ruptures with the same amount of time.
lone junco
dont get that tattooed on your face, but Seli will keep us in the loop.
CT HIT is the value.
rupture is currently garbo
1T you dont use CT
lucid elm
Dont get me wrong, CT seems like the superier choise for 2+ even
stable oxide
you use CT in dungeons?
lone junco
I did Coven, i was able to keep garrote/ rupture/ ct on both.
not sure if that is a good thing or not, but we shall see.
stable oxide
Does that completly replaces envenom in big groups?
lone junco
you can sim it. and 0 env is a loss over time.
but clipping for buff only might be a thing.
I dont know for certain where the breaks are going to be.
0 rupture is a gain.
in trash with CT
stable oxide
Also, I suppose the groups shoudn't die to fast?
wut
so you garrote stuff and then CT?
and then FOK and another CT?
or shoudn't you overlap the dot
lone junco
you can sim this by raising the remain time on ct to recast at < 8 sec.
it will fit in an env here and there.
but the hit component of CT times the number of mobs , just needs to be substantially better than 1 env.
stable oxide
and after how many mobs is CT better than PB?
lone junco
2?
stable oxide
wut
lone junco
i think no.
stable oxide
Okay
lone junco
garrote uptime. occasional env. fok ct.
north terrace
It felt like not when I played with it in M+ last night
Yeah, it won't give VW procs, they only trigger off of rupture, garrote, or internal bleeding
stable oxide
I see
fair rain
@supple hearth 
supple hearth
@fair rain I missed u
lost idol
exotic glen
just randomly trying different commands 
sweet pecan
our warchief the bLich queen ofc (who literally did nothing wrong)
lok'tar o'bark, victory or pets
lone junco
@fair rain hola nerd.
fair rain
MonkaS
zealous lily
they updated the venomous wounds tooltip during beta a while ago to explicitly spell out which spells are not included
it's also bleed ticks that proc it and not poisons.
garrote rupture or internal bleeding from talent. each tick of each bleed active rewards you with 7 energy.
hazy iron
Which is weird for something called venemous lol
zealous lily
moar haste means moar ticks means moar energy.
hazy iron
I don't get blizz sometimes
zealous lily
but PB has no bearing on it because only DP counts as "active poison"
exotic glen
so 🤷🏿
hazy iron
Oh fair point
Well it makes perfect sense then. I havent read or considered the tool tip in a while
Sometimes blizz doesn't get me :(
autumn bloom
Crimson tempest doesn't proc it :(
For into CT seemed SO dope til I learned that
For*
fleet whale
it still deals a lot of damage
civic palm
gtfo
fair rain
👺
exotic glen
can you do this shit in offtopic
fair rain
Spicy
supple hearth
@fair rain really tho #off-topic
rich spindle
Hi, guys! Is there any problem with the posion bomb? I forced it several times and it did 0 damage 100% of the times I used it.
Can anyone confirm me if it is me or no?
thanks 😃
strange python
the force is with u
zealous lily
it does do damage. don't know what you mean by 'forced it'
rich spindle
spending CP to proc it
with marked to dead
I can say that I made 0 damage from it
Im like "wtf" right now
rich spindle
I just closed the game :/
autumn bloom
zzzzz
rich spindle
but I had damage from any skill but poison bomb in skada or wow's combat log
exotic glen
were you just unlucky?
civic palm
Can you be?
rich spindle
No, I think I was kinda buggy
exotic glen
the spell works as intended
rich spindle
dunno why
exotic glen
if there is an actual problem, its with you
rich spindle
ok
thats what the info I was looking for
thank u very much 😃
have a nice night!
marsh fog
Guys, start leveling in assa or better will be outlaw ?
fleet whale
whatever one you like more, I think all three of them were fine for leveling when I did it on beta
safe matrix
@marsh fog check the first pin in #off-topic
It's a survey of 100 prople
Saying which spec they want to level as
marsh fog
thanks, and sorry for this question in this section
safe matrix
No worries, generally one of the first things you should do is check the pins of a channel though
Lots of relevant information is in those
ripe geyser
Sub feels so fucking dumb rn compared to assa.. gonna miss antorus assa 😦
silent plinth
is the icy veins guide legit.
safe matrix
Kindof? It's not the preferred guide of many, but they're definitely trying to improve it a lot
silent plinth
ok ty usually iv has been very unreliable for me
strange python
depends on the author really
safe matrix
^
silent plinth
is there a best source
fleet whale
it wasn't too great in legion cause most of the guides were made by the same person
silent plinth
yea ravenholdt directed me to the iv guide
strange python
well the url is not actually ravenholdt.com
steep obsidian
main issue with icyveins guides in the past is they never updated them
strange python
.net
haughty lily
should i just equip highest ilvl gear for now or will set gear still matter when xpac releases
safe matrix
The ravenholdt website is the one at the top of the discord window
strange python
in my experience you wont start replacing non-azerite gear slots for a while.
depending on your ilvl.
silent plinth
ah i guess there is a separate guide on the website. just saw the front page and saw the wowhead/iv link
ty
haughty lily
im 242 rn but if i remove my set gear id be 247
fleet whale
i'm going to get the azerite helm first mainly due to ilvl... yeah it will break 4 piece but none of the 4 pieces for any of the specs are that amazing for leveling imo
haughty lily
optimal for dps is 242 tho (which i raid in)
haughty lily
i know im trying to sell everything in my bank tho
steep obsidian
most of levelled with garbage gear on beta
you will smash crap in 242
its up to you though, some people liek to keep old set bonuses for timewalking and stuff
frigid vigil
is assassination looking good for bfa?
civic palm
Looks fine.
frigid vigil
kk, wasnt sure if it would be a good dps or if sub would over take it
civic palm
Depends on traits and what you are doing, there are sims in the pins.
zealous lily
there's a fair amount of diversity in uldir and M+ is a whole nother ball of wax
as in it's not just 1target fights like most of the hard bosses of antorus
frigid vigil
yeah
its between rogue and warrior for me so just trying to decide probably wont do more than heroic raiding
no time for mythic anymore
steep obsidian
i mean sin will be decent for raids and stuff
i think it sorta blows for dungeons coz i hate 2 min vendetta but that just me
strange python
all specs are decent anyway
zealous lily
every class in the game has a 2 minute CD of some kind that increases output
assassin's is single target only and if the thing will live longer than 20 seconds or will make it so your cd isn't ready for the boss that isn't so good
but not the end of the world
strange python
sin is an cleave god
steep obsidian
yeah but vendetta is tied to one mob
at least sblades and are work if the mob you hitting die
but that really my only peeve and its ok if we are gods of st and 2/3 target cleave
but if sub and ol are better in those situations without that weakness that kinda blows
strange python
and i wont use vendetta on an add target which dies rapidly
north terrace
I mean... most classes are going to save their 2-3 min CD's for bosses whether or not they are tied to a mob..
strange python
depends on key level and so on ..
dense blaze
What is the date when Poison Knives was broken?
zealous lily
7.3.5 release night
strange python
it was definitely january
dense blaze
tyty
final summit
Hey ^^ , what is the best leg for pexing 110-120 ? i think is Back & Sephuz no ?
main rain
In what way was Poison Knives broken?
supple hearth
deep dark lore of sin
civic palm
We don't talk about those times.
slim olive
Hell yeah
quaint rune
hey did the last assassin hotfixes happen?
strange python
yes
honest needle
whats best legos u guys think for questing ?
strange python
pins in #385145484559253506
elfin valley
Anyone mind giving me a quick rundown of the standing of Sin in both PVE and PVP coming BFA?
quaint rune
Hey does this discord have a group chat in wOW? like the new "freinds chat" feature?
strange python
they look fine
quaint rune
a "community"
quaint rune
thanks connor i got it
urban storm
anyone know where we should log out in preparation for tomorrow?
exotic glen
silithus
strange python
dalaran
exotic glen
you need to fly on your own
urban storm
cool thx
exotic glen
thank you dragonman
is there a time when servers go down before launch? or is it like legion where you just wait in front of an npc for quests
arctic isle
u dont need to log out
exotic glen
so no server maintenance?
arctic isle
no
exotic glen
great
elfin valley
Do you guys think sin will be competitive with the other specs? or better?
exotic glen
in what regards
charred ledge
where will the bfa start quest take place?
fallow marsh
It feels like those short on time will be best served focusing sin/outlaw considering the overlap on secondary stats, thoughts?
stone parcel
^
honest needle
what talents u guys using for leveling
strange python
marked for death
honest needle
blind side or master poisoner
honest needle
with shoulder lego for leveling nightstalker would b better right
quick ice
you could probably argue either way, but the 20% movespeed in stealth is pretty handy
especially in "inside" where you can't mount
honest needle
now last thing sry to be a pain
but with warmode on for leveling what pvp talents should i take
i never used them
strange python
flying daggers
stone parcel
Will swords be viable for all specs?
strange python
system shock
creeping venom got nerfed to hell but i guess it's still ok
vizie, assassination and sub prefer dual daggers
stone parcel
Ye feel like they do but if you get a hight ilevel sword
strange python
well for sin you can only use daggers
stone parcel
will that be bad then?
honest needle
u think assasination will be good still for raiding or will sub and outlaw b much better
strange python
sub needs a dagger main hand
stone parcel
Can you still only use daggers for asssa?
strange python
yes
strange python
off hand for sub is best to be a dagger because of shadow techniques but you can use a sword if it is like 30 ilvls higher
honest needle
connor any ideas ?
strange python
hm?
tuning isnt done
all three specs look fine
you can check the simulations we have so far
honest needle
i mained a rogue this expansion i cant decide for bfa if i wanna stay with rogue or go monk feral or hunter
I been having a hard time choosing
quick ice
simcraft T22_raid sims are out too (for us at least) and all specs reasonably close (~800DPS top to bottom)
strange python
😄
quick ice
rogue or hunter - you have more choices if one spec is bad/you don't like it (or it gets changed so you don't like it)
feral/monk require changing either class or role to play a different DPS spec
strange python
if you really can't decide then talk with your raid leader on what you need
honest needle
they dont care
there more casual
lol
they went 5/11 mythic i pugged 9/11 myself
my thing is i like tanking m+ when guildies arent on its faster for groups so for my alt i cant decide between monk or druid
strange python
for tanking m+, monk is the clear winner over druid
stone parcel
Im going to main M+ this expansion. Is rogue a stupid main then? 😮
strange python
great mobility, you need to kite stuff a lot now, the trash hurts
rogue is never a bad idea!
strange python
shroud and tricks makes then wanted in m+
stone parcel
but they look so bad
strange python
there is no spec that is so bad that they are unplayable
quick ice
plus blizz hates enh 😃
stone parcel
Indeed
quick ice
I don't think they ever got over bus shock
strange python
they look good on simc
echo jay
everyone parking in silithus or?
modern walrus
Yes @echo jay
echo jay
thanks
primal lance
So I can just fly sil and I’ll get a quest right there on the spot?
quick ice
based on one guy's testing on beta - yes
primal lance
Well that’s interesting then. Thanks
bright sand
have pvp turned off for the sil part then turn it back on before u leave stormwind
both horde and allaince be at same spot at the start lol
elfin valley
is subterfuge no longer the go to?
drifting gorge
so i just only got my rouge recently to 110 super noob basically and i wanted to ask in quick questions but can't so what do you guys think will be the best leveling spec in bfa or it doesn't really matter?
supple hearth
Working as intended 
@drifting gorge you have to read pins to get access to that channel. Because reading pins would educate u so you don't have to ask that question.
shrewd night
timid rune
ah
gaunt isle
is there any word on which reputation will be best for assa to start with? for getting the right gearing items that is (talking ally)
lament sandal
so when boa releases blindside is supposed to be better?
civic palm
Given the SIMs it looks like you have your choice.
gaunt isle
order of embers was the answer to my question after some looking around, if anyone was curious
gilded fossil
Getting mixed reviews. Wheres the best place to log out at for tommorrow?
supple hearth
@gilded fossil silithus
pastel wasp
its a trap
supple hearth
U grab a quest then go back to sw or org
gilded fossil
Thx
granite ermine
heya Giggle
surreal lodge
Hey guys whats everyone planning on leveling with lego wise? i was thinking shoulder+cloak or shoulder+sephuz not sure
just saw the pins in #385145484559253506 think i know what i mrunning now
runic basin
I think shoulder+sephuz would be good
opal veldt
for whoever was talking about blindside, I actually was fiddling with it tonight and I kinda dig it
feels nice to have an extra button to sometimes press that doesnt cost me energy
lament sandal
does it have a gcd
warm parcel
Of course
lament sandal
sorry that was rhertorical
strange python
another button for Sin? NOTY
quick ice
because we hit so many buttons so often already 
strange python
this guy gets it! i was worried my joke would go unappreciated 
lean coral
'
pastel wasp
anything above 40 APM i die
mossy geode
Interesting
real socket
only a couple more hours boys
daring cave
Hello
astral anvil
yeehaw
last karma
Any preference on race for assassination?
slim estuary
Gnome
chilly bear
everysthing u like unless ur playin for worldfirst, then min max it out
troll seemed to be the best
for assa, based on the haste in the racial
slim estuary
Gnome with Mohawk or gtfo
chilly bear
thought dark iron dwarfs would be better on alliance.....
supple hearth
read the pins
sharp wren
Oooo
dire spoke
vestal wren
what talents would you guys suggest for lvling?
sacred ore
I believe marked for death will be a must
wind pulsar
The ones that are most fun to you
void yarrow
Did the assassination build of legendary cloak/hidden blades/flying daggers get nerfed? Or still viable for leveling/dungeons until 116?
pulsar pewter
morning all 😃
wind pulsar
Morning bby 😉
strange python
Morning
marble hemlock
@vestal wren that a serious question? 😄
strange python
Yes it was Nerfed a while back
vestal wren
yes i wanted to add a talent suggestion for the pins
tho i am not sure what t15 and t100 talent to use
strange python
For leveling
marble hemlock
well, im gonna play 4pc t20, subterfuge, leeching, CT and just garrote everything, CT and run towards the next pack cause those mobs are already dead due to the dots
strange python
Hmm I need to hop on beta real quick forgot the talent rows
vestal wren
i think mfd should have a high value for lvling,
hollow moth
Using the ring has been amazing for me on beta. Gives us Vigor and then you go Marked for Death. Put rupture + garrote on every target you fight so that when they die you instantly go to full energy. Marked for death comes off CD everytime a mob dies so its just like Garrote > Mut > Rupt > MfD >Envemon dead. full energy, repeat
thinking about going with Ven Rush Over Toxic Blade for leveling since things die so fast I only get to use toxic blade every so often
marble hemlock
sry, had to take a call
so yeah, t20, garrote+ct for killing, might be worth using mfd, yep
since we can just refill energy with a rupture prior to death anyway
hollow moth
Pulling giant packs with Fly Daggers and Crimson is sweet even after nerf. Ill just put a low CP rupture on every single mob real quick, so that way im never energy starved trying to spam fans cuz as they die im getting energy back
marble hemlock
im considering just playing exsang for big targets, so when you meet a bigger mob once every couple of minutes you can just blast him with the full set of CDs
void yarrow
@strange python Thanks! Hadn't played the beta in a while, figured it would get chopped before release but had to ask lol
strange python
So I'm using
marble hemlock
so sephuz+boots, 2231133, t20 4pc
hollow moth
@marble hemlock Do Legion Tomes still work? They did in beta. Keep some in your bags and just swap talents when you have to fight a big mob
marble hemlock
neither VR nor TB have any value when pulling multiple mobs
strange python
2213221
marble hemlock
so you can just stick with exsang all teh time
and id highly suggest going leeching for leveling
strange python
I chose poison bomb over hidden blades because in between my quests I was queueing for dungeons
marble hemlock
between leeching, crimson vial and fighter chow, there shouldnt be any downtimes due to taking too much damage
hollow moth
Is EP a large gain over MP for leveling?
marble hemlock
poisons wont do much at all during leveling, most of your damage is going to be bleeds
hollow moth
oh so we feral druids
marble hemlock
at least the build i was suggesting is like 80% non-poison damage
strange python
Yeahh I would suggest using leech over elusiveness, I did it because I was in a group in beta leveling
hollow moth
That makes honor talents kinda up in the air really then huh. Since most are some sort of poison buff
strange python
And hidden blades over poison bomb. Although, I suggest to not use your flying daggers lol
marble hemlock
well, id go with flying daggers/creeping venom/system shock
strange python
For honor talents I'm using all dmg abilities (system shock, creeping venom and mind numbing poison) but sometimes I used intent to kill and maneuverability
hollow moth
Not counting fly daggers is Fan only a gain against 3+ targets? I found a lot of times I was fighting two rather than three
marble hemlock
ymmv depending on how you play it obviously
strange python
I didn't use flying daggers because in some zones the ads are really close to one another
marble hemlock
so if you go like 5+ mobs and basically play melee-SP, then flying dagger has more value compared to someone taking it a bit slow
strange python
Especially in stormsong valley
hollow moth
I never leveled my rogue to 120. I did three mages as frost. Took 8 hours each. I just pulled every single thing I could lol
The mob EXP didnt help but it was the fact that quests got done so much faster that way
strange python
I leveled to 120 twice both with a group one before prepatch and one last week
hollow moth
Ohhh I leveled mine in alpha
How is it now after the XP change ?
Been wondering that
strange python
Well it takes 50-1 hr and 10 min for level 111
And I'd say 112-115 is the hardest part to level through
The second time I did it
hollow moth
Gotcha
dark isle
The hardest part is the first half where we have legendaries? 🤔
hollow moth
Wait so using boots, how often is your Vendetta off CD? I honestly don't know; does the energy buff from Vendetta remain after the marked target dies?
vestal wren
i assume vr > tb during lvling, yes/no?
civic palm
The entire row is useless.
strange python
I found that dungeon trash gives a fton of xp through 113-115 after I think quests are better because trash packs give less and quests are more convenient
civic palm
If you are doing Rares EX is better, but from pull to pull that entire row isn't not great.
strange python
No vendetta goes off after the add dies
vestal wren
ye i agree but Tb does not rly seems to be beneficial with short duration adds
hollow moth
Ohhh crafted boots for leveling. My bad
vestal wren
exang might be also decent
hollow moth
I was looking at the Ven boots
marble hemlock
hmm fuu, i think all 3 are useless when you pull multiple mobs, and exsang has the highest value when youre killing named mobs for quests that have s lightly more health
civic palm
EX is the only choice on the row that seems to be good for SIN while leveling.
marble hemlock
just subterfuge garrote, rupture, mfd kidney with internal bleeding, then vendetta+exsang and enjoy the mob melting
strange python
I need to learn these rows
vestal wren
hmm
strange python
Or just vendetta fan of knives internal bleeding or envenom whenever you have vendetta obv
vestal wren
well so exang it is
civic palm
It's a rather poor row =\
strange python
Also single targets which will be a couple are quick kills unless its a rare
Fuckn rare in trigarde I think its called had me running
I hit it and Jesus
marble hemlock
id put a note in there fuu that if you have t20 4pc, you should consider using it over t21
hollow moth
WAIT can you fly as a wisp in BFA zones??
strange python
Nope
civic palm
Yeah gotta spam those Garrotes.
strange python
You just go really fast
marble hemlock
strange python
Also,
marble hemlock
im gonna miss t20 0sec cd garrotes that deal 4 times the damage a 5cp rupture does
strange python
Ohh and in the first part of the story in bfa
When you kill 2 dudes and get an item from the table
Just stealth through everything after
If stealth blows just vanish quick way to get past the first part
marble hemlock
dont forget the 3 guild standards for 5/10/15% bonus xp 😃
swift trout
is assa the best choice for leveling ? what do you guys think ?
hollow moth
Not sure where its gonna land to outlaw but I feel its stronger than sub.
As the mobs get stronger and your weapons stay shitty, having bleeds do most your damage is great
as opposed to weapon damage
swift trout
and leech poison is good aswell
marble hemlock
we do lose 3seconds every hour because we have ot apply poisons while sub/combat dont have poisons