I can see that
#assassination
spare cloud
spare cloud
And thats not disrespectful to say 🤔
civic palm
and know your limits.
grim jay
it doesnt hurt someone, so it can barely be disrespectful 🤔
strange python
Honestly I'm planning on going through and learning the writing portion just for my own satisfaction, but I'm just getting deep back into the game for the first time since BC
When I last played for real Weakauras didn't exist lol
warm parcel
99% of auras are simple
strange python
Mistakes were made
warm parcel
Only when you actually want custom auras for bosses or snapshots is when you need lua
grim jay
we all waste time playing, so we dont need to waste time on stuff like WAs that others already do with great success tho. thats what I meant
not that he in person wastes his time with smth else
😄
spare cloud
How is it wasted
shrewd pine
Toph, you know that going to spec channels isnt doing you any good. Go back to Off Topic and spamming Kpop.
grim jay
well it all depends on your philosophy of life. we shouldnt argue about that now
strange python
Alright time to go to bed
Honestly thanks a ton for the help guys, really left me satisfied tonight
strange python
For sure. Looking to actually become not shit at raiding in this xpack so I'll have a ton more questions I'm sure.
prisma gull
Always good to try and improve at the game :D
timber geyser
is there an ingame rogue community for US horde players?
lofty junco
what ya guys thinking, will assa be a good choice for bfa or will we need to switch between all 3 specs for specific things?
shrewd night
Id tell ya if I had a crystal ball
buoyant badger
99% sure youll need to switch for different bosses and instances
Its going to be something like: 1-2 targets, sub or assa depending on situation
3-4 targets prob outlaw
lofty junco
i just hope i can skip sub...absolutly don't like the sub after WoD...legion destroyed the fun of it
buoyant badger
5+ sub or outlaw, depending on if you need to burst a boss or a specific add, or if all adds need to die asap
strange python
There is 0 reason to play sub or ol
quick ice
if you really like swords you might have a reason to play ol 😛
viral kite
without tier or legendary
legendaries*
what do you think i should run for ST/m+
talentwise
lofty junco
strange python
The expansion is over what are you on about m+?
viral kite
welp
just playing around trying to get a feel for rogue while i can
never played it in legion
sorry?
lofty junco
for ST sim yaself. ya will get that answert from everyone here. m+ play what ya feel its the best, cause ya should change talents for specific affixes
viral kite
yeah
i getcha
i will
rogue seems a lot more fluid talentwise than any other class im testing
i suppose thats a good thing
lofty junco
for example the 100 aoe talent is good for weeks without tyrannic, but for tyrannic i would recommend PB
exotic glen
you should never ever take PB in a dungeon
strange python
unless you are doing upper you dont take pb in M+
exotic glen
pb will do about 2-3% of your damage on average in a fight
shrewd night
Imagine taking a ST talent for a dungeon
strange python
because on st its like 2.5% of damage and the aoe upside of taking ct is worth it
exotic glen
if there is any situation at all with multiple targets, CT is recommended over pb
viral kite
that makes sense
exotic glen
there is no dungeon or situation where that doesnt happen
viral kite
so PB is purely ST ?
solid nova
Yes
exotic glen
yes
slender hatch
not sure if this is the place but was wondering if there was anyone willing to help me out with this simc, raidbots, pawn stuffs
strange python
What do you wanna know
./simc ingame, copy that and paste in raidbots, that will give you a pawn string, you put the string ingame in pawn and then you can see upgrades. Repeat till you're happy
Thats the short version I think
Or thats how it worked last time I used it
fiery nest
yes
/simc in wow, ctrl c
go to raidbots window, ctrl v
Simulate
after the sim runs you can click Pawn String and then /pawn in game and paste it in to to pawn (import-> make sure correct spec is selected)
its really basic sense
lofty junco
hmmm 236(me Medâkâ) vs 250+ dd's WTF
shrewd pine
prisma gull
Brag
versed bobcat
are there any racial sims yet?
exotic glen
versed bobcat
thx mate
lone junco
I've been using exang for the warmode kills. 4p20 garrote mut Kidney (bleed) exang.
Look forward to it being better st.
sweet pecan
im assuming the internal bleeding talent and the venomous wounds passive dont interact right?
strange python
They don't
sweet pecan
figured
exotic glen
you can literally go read what venomous wounds does
shrewd night
T O S I C
neon oxide
Hey so, Pvp talents?
neon oxide
Rgr
brave basin
hey does anyone have a pre-raid bis gear list for bfa?
brave basin
isn't there stat priority and gear that you want to target from specific dungeons?
or am I just trying too hard to be a neckbeard
shrewd night
a) no such thing as best in slot due to titanforging
b) tuning isnt done yet, so noone can say what gear will be better
I know what you are getting at, but you are better off just simming when you get new gear to see the stat priority for your character
lofty junco
hmm 38% crit and 31% haste sounds now much better then 30 and 20 2 weeks before xP
fiery nest
wat
misty topaz
lone junco
I wear pants on legs
green belfry
SkirtyMcSkirtFace
sweet pecan
what is considered melee range? center to center 5 yards distance?
inner pecan
5 yards yeah, but hitboxes are wacky
shrewd pine
depends on hixbox of the target
sweet pecan
ye i imagine the larger raid bosses dont have 5 yard range most of the time..
aite ty
orchid lake
Hello , what legos for PvP do u suggest?
orchid lake
👌
strange python
That moment you realize all you have are sub legs
vapid oracle
when specced crimson tempest do you keep CT up on single target over using envenom?
shrewd night
No
quartz depot
would it be hard to read the tooltips and compare the damage?
vapid oracle
thanks ❤
plain thistle
@quartz depot its not that simple, because if you only consider the damage CT would be a little bit better, but if you consider the envenom buff its better than maintaining CT.
lone junco
Env uptime clipping is even important in the multi target Ct conditions. Up to a point of bulk cleave.
Once 4p21 is gone. We will need that E
silver stone
When using raidbots theres no real reason to know your weighting stats when it just tells you whats better anyways.
shrewd night
Knowing your statweights tells you about what gear you should target, that you dont already have.
silent crescent
lone junco
Wf tf?
plucky patio
fresh 110, only have the argus quest one and insignia, what should I drop essences on this week? I'm assuming sephuz but im not sure
peak sapphire
Sephuz mantle imo
hoary copper
lone junco
I mean. You don't have to know stat weights. You can just guess and do sub par dps. Someone has to parse green for me to get a purple
lofty junco
a friend buyed legs first cause he had thinked its works in bg/arena and it will be op xD
dire spoke
imaginate thinkering
hoary copper
tepid plank
hey guys, quick questions, which legendary i should buy first for assasination ?
shrewd night
Imagine if there was pins answering that question
tepid plank
😢
sterile marten
tepid plank
but what is ST and MT ? :p
exotic glen
single target, multi target
tepid plank
thx 😃
lofty junco
and cleave is cleave xP
gaunt moat
@ruby badge hey, thanks for asking.
I'm sorry but due to personal issues I'm not playing right now so i can't update them.
Maybe some day in the future, but for now, no.
lone junco
Ello
ruby badge
@gaunt moat no worries man! Hope to see you back soon.
gaunt moat
🙂
vocal wave
@lone junco On raidbots HTML report, is there a way I can see the timeline?
As in, it'll tell me what spells it used at what time>
hoary copper
Its burried but you can
vocal wave
Where is it?
lone junco
At the bottoms there is action priority list. And sample.
hoary copper
^
lone junco
Sample is 1 example of a reasonable routine.
It all changed by procs and crit and fight time. But it's there
vocal wave
Cheers
high spire
which horde race is currently the best sim wise?
guildie want's to know and i can't find any sims regarding race
bronze kelp
Herodamage.com gives you the answer
high spire
merci
hoary copper
The damage difference is minimal, it really doesnt matter
steep citrus
I don't see race.
steep citrus
Joke man. like people who say they don't see color
hoary copper
.7% to like 2% so about 1% difference
steep citrus
and there are people in here who would murder a family member for a trinket that does 1% more than another trinket
maybe not their mom, but definitely an uncle
so I don't know why people always dismiss questions about race.
royal lantern
because most people that ask that stuff dont understand that they dont play on the lvl where that stuff even matters(wich is pretty much only world first racing)
steep citrus
that same argument means almost none of this stuff matters
just because i'm not world first doesn't mean i shouldn't want to min/max
grim sable
if you want to min/max you need to be raiding 4 days a week minimum
royal lantern
but if you need too ask that stuff you probably dont min/max anyway
dark token
@grim sable ehhh some people like minmaxing even in casual raid hours
royal lantern
like´´my class scales good with haste, wich race should i go????´´ when there is a obvious anwser, if you really care you should know that
grim sable
but yes, everyone has a limit at which point this stuff becomes irrelevant
dark token
they just like to play the best they can
because min/maxing, at least for me, is fun
im sure there are others
even when i raided on 8hrs i would spend a shit ton of time minmaxing
past mauve
So are most people going to go with the single target build or multi-target build for raiding? Seems like single target is the classic assassination rogue way but it makes a huge difference on stat priority
hardy bluff
Why not both
past mauve
well right now if I went multi Haste would be top stat priority but single target has crit-mastery
spiral relic
hello guys, can you tell me what is the best spec currently for pve + leveling + dungeons ? (i'm sorry if the question was asked 1000 times 😦 )
tranquil sedge
Demonology
steep citrus
ooh yeah, that's a good one
i'm leveling to 120 as demonology and then buying a class change from the wow store
brave basin
playing a class without bleeds and poison LUL
royal lantern
playing a class without stealth lul
brave basin
xD
dark token
Who needs stealth when you can Chad stab your way through mobs in 1hit
supple hearth
@past mauve keep in mind those are prepatch builds and a bare bones quick guide not an official BFA guide - those are in the works id wager
spice frost
Couple questions. 1) how do I get a role assigned? 2) what are you guys planning on leveling as. I’ve been a sin rogue all xpac but thinking maybe outlaw will be quicker for leveling.
exotic glen
- read the pins in #385145484559253506
- outlaw
smoky bluff
waiting for the san'layn to become an allied race
exotic glen
the what
smoky bluff
and look like dracula, the only problem is that rogues cant cast fireballs, meteors, o use metamorphosis
lone junco
meh.
can I be a frog man.
EQ got them
not murlocs either. stupid hopping movement.
with racial leap
smoky bluff
hmm becoming a Navy SEAL
lone junco
past mauve
@supple hearth thanks. Im just trying to mentally prepare for which direction I need to retrain my brain lol
lofty junco
i want to be a high elf^^
supple hearth
Yeah it will likely depend on the fight. I imagine mythic raiders will be talent changing quite a bit more than a heroic raider might
main blaze
Anyone know if the trait impassive visage stacks?
royal lantern
oh yes, undead elf, thats wath we need
wow is turning D&D lvl ridicolous with all those different elf stuff
royal lantern
pls no
lost horizon
Where's my tuskarr rogue at (other than the dude in the class hall)
royal lantern
cant gank all those elf shitheads all the time
tired blade
whose got the best assassination weak auras here?? send links!
dire spoke
me
sacred ore
guys where is the pawn string in raidbots? ;/
dire spoke
do a stat weight simulation
exotic glen
make one yourself
strange python
🐒
tired blade
the WAs I get on wago are so intense and have so much crap
dont have the patience to make my own lol
civic palm
ok
While I do not know the WA that are looking at, if you're not willing to decode and learn already made WAs you're better off learning to make your own (which is relatively simple).
dire spoke
You can delete child-elements inside a finished group
finite jewel
civic palm
for most of that I imagine.
devout temple
wow grand melee 10 times in a row
steep obsidian
serves yourself right for playing ol
civic palm
devout temple
lol
lone junco
@devout temple grats I guess.
umbral lake
has sin always been stronger then both of the other spec in pve/pp content?
dire spoke
no
lone junco
Sub and sin have flip flopped a few times. Outlaw was good in En and end of NH. And now.
By design.
That floppy flippy pure dps.
umbral lake
im just torn with what to pick between all three spec for bfa, i want a spec that is good for pvp/pve ><
dire spoke
Just play rogue
and wait until a spec trends to fotm
thats how you should commit to a pure dps class
trim dirge
yep play all the specs
arctic venture
!trinkets
dire spoke
torpid hare
calm barn
yeah this rogue was deleted since 2008 or so
ups forgot this too
full row of unobtainable things
don't know why I censored the name
this character is pure nostalgia
royal lantern
thats pretty offtopic
calm barn
yeah I'm sorry, it started because of the old poisons, didn't even think about off-topic channel
hushed parrot
wise frigate
deft patio
So did anything try haste build yet ? Is it rly better then Mastery?
civic palm
Yes.
deft patio
A bit more detail plz
civic palm
dire spoke
lol
civic palm
Real helpful Zemp > _>
dire spoke
steep obsidian
haste effect bleed ticks now, sims don't lie that is about all the detail ya need
hazy iron
sassy voice 'Sorry guys, but um, i'm gonna require a but more detail than that, please.'
onyx falcon
Rogue
Assassination
All damage abilities reduced 4%.
Outlaw
All damage abilities reduced 3%.
Subtlety
All damage abilities reduced 4%.
.............................................
plush sapphire
@onyx falcon where did you get that?
plush sapphire
ty
analog spruce
"address balance issues in the Pre-Patch" 
peak plinth
those nerfs gonna carry over into BFA isnt it
supple hearth
Of course lol
merry elbow
3 rogues specs topping meters? Hell nah, it cant be like that
smoky bluff
blizz definition of fun is flawed
strange python
4% nerf, the world is ending.
dark token
quick switch to outlaw
fringe ginkgo
So 4% to all abilities and the pvp nerfs
junior pond
quick switch to spriest
fringe ginkgo
ouch
they're going after disc priest too. No one is safe
Just when I thought I found a fun healer
pastel vault
nerfs 
help
tame glen
4% nerf
Literally Unplayable
fringe ginkgo
Just so weird to do a tuning pass now. They're going to do a tuning pass after heroic data comes in anyways
civic palm
How DARE you doubt our OVERLORDS!!
tame glen
Honestly, I'd prefer frequent adjustments over static meta. Keeps things interesting (for some of us)
merry elbow
4% nerf to all skills
Interesting
onyx falcon
i mean... wheelchair rets got nerfed too after finally getting awesome again
strange python
So does the 4% knock rogue to the top, middle, or bottom of the st dps meters?
Bottom
noble crescent
may as well delete your rogue now
dark token
see if we get nerfed now we wont get nerfed for bfa 🤔
rogue will be sleeper op uldir calling it now
tame glen
Anyone running Beta have thoughts on how fun Ass is im BfA? Difficulty Level currently feels about the same as untying your shoes
#glasshalffull @FrozenSoviet
rotund grove
you know how it feels right now in prepatch?
tame glen
Ya...
rotund grove
well it's prettty much the same but your opener will be lower without shoulders(if you use them right now) and other than that it pretty much feels the same
frozen mountain
I heard Outlaw was slightly above Assassination at 120.
rotund grove
also vendetta cd doesn't change/is static now and will always line up with vanish so yeah. so in other words the "difficulty" level is what it is right now
tame glen
Welp, guess Ass remains perfect for 'Drank Too Much but Still Want to Do Meaningful Damage' nights
Pooling = Time for Shots
scenic grove
anyone have a sin talent build for leveling?
honest compass
I’d recommend M+ talents for leveling
Give yourself some cleave damage to clear multiple movs
Mobs
grim canopy
rancid parcel
resto druid
rancid parcel
I want to level up my monk. not sure it will happen in time so probably go warrior as well.
exotic rampart
worn bridge
I'm more amazed at Ret pally, can't be long before their bubble is burst.
shrewd night
Imagine being upset over prepatch balancing
frozen pecan
REEEEEEEE
strange python
Blizzard taking a shotgun to rogues kneecaps. Nothing to see here. 
I mean 4% in the grand scheme isn't THAT bad, yeah?
And idk how afflic locks are still up there
It's all pre raid anyway. Save the salt for mythic week.
zealous dew
lul rogue nerfs
strange python
Think it's gonna be a major upset'?
zealous dew
blade flurry boys
civic palm
Nothing that happened today matters.
strange python
Whys that
civic palm
Because its 3% why would that matter? o _o
strange python
4%
civic palm
wow... now we're screwed
strange python
Why would flat 4% not matter?
zealous dew
everything matters
shrewd night
Im going to pick uuuuh... Prepatch for 200$ Jeff.
strange python
It matters just not much. More changes will come before uldir
zealous dew
i'm going to switch to blade flurry
strange python
I'm gonna mess with my rogue and play him, just kinda sucks. Rogue is in a decent spot and it's not just tweaks, it's a simple 4% buff
Like a band aid thing
did simulation craft update with the nerf?
shrewd night
People considering rerolling over this shit? Wew, must be the first launch yall been part of.
hazy iron
I like how people are acting as if prepatch sims matter
grim jay
they do!
for another week
:1)
dealing most dmg in a prepatch is nearly the most important thing
second comes parsing in normal
stark heart
@strange python can't touch affli warlocks yet
grim jay
and yet you dont know shit about how the classes will play out in bfa
nor do you know how they will end up for the first raid
even aside from potential nerfs/buffs in the future
the 120 sims are worth nothing
as they are rn, in case you come up with that
strange python
if changes come our way they will be nerfs, ive been to enough tunning passes to know that if you re top of the pack you get nerfed and bottom gets buffs to be op sometimes
grim jay
makes no sense in the way that you dont know if you are top, mid or bottom for the first tier rn
strange python
thats true but watching beta streams in the current build we are up there
that can ofc change
grim jay
furthermore if you read all the patchnotes, other favorable melee dps have aswell been nerfed
strange python
hmm didnt know that
stark heart
Arms got buffed
grim jay
oh
ye did read that wrong
corrected
but as retri is the melee above us
it got nerfed aswell
same for ww
strange python
Where is the enha nerf tho
I only play melee DPS/tank
I just dislike afflic lock OP BS world pvp unlimited stable affliction
grim jay
really dont see the need to nerf enh as of what I saw so far
worldpvp being troll and unbalanced shouldnt be smth new to you @strange python
strange python
That joke went right over my head
If you want to shame someone for playing rogue
You're worse than a person that faction changes to alliance because their fantasy friends burned a tree
fiery sage
how much will this 4% nerf effect us 😛
grim jay
by 4%
solid nova
Keep trolling out of the spec channels, thanks.
grim jay
as I said just a few lines above, the classes being on the upper side with rogue got nerfed aswell
@fiery sage
atleast as far as melee goes
fiery sage
wasent what i meant i said how much will the 4% efect us i know its 4% but in the end is it much or not much at all
lofty junco
what nerf?
solid nova
It's a week before BFA, Rogues were overtuned anyway. It's nothing.
shrewd night
Prepatch meme nerfs has no real impact on you
shrewd pine
REEEEEEEEEEE I'll do 4% less damage on my depleted +10 REEEEEEEEEE
nerfs 
I'll do less dps on siege of undercity
how does this affect us
shrewd night
Who knew flowi could be so right, ahead of his time
nerfed into the ground
shit game
shit class
grim jay
true
flowi the prophet
@shrewd pine more like: REEEEEEEEEEE every top melee dd got nerfed equally, rogue ded REEEEEE
ups
grim jay
noone ever in here said that it wont carry over to bfa
solid nova
Again, Trolling out of the spec channels.
supple mesa
It’s 4%
nimble tartan
It just seems weird that they nerfed at this point in time itll be fine if it wasnt with pre patch legendaries in mind that skew results but i hope it isnt!
civic palm
Weird? o _O
shrewd pine
I'd assume blizzard will do actual seperate tuning going into BFA and not base something on legion content @strange python
grim jay
well blizzard might have done that looking at current 120 standings
nimble tartan
Yeah thats what i hope
grim jay
yet again its blizzard, so.. 😄
nimble tartan
I dont know i just hope its not it wouldn't make sense for it to ne prepatch data but u know anything can happen kkona
shrewd night
imagine not being able to read blue posts
'we're making some adjustments to several specs to address balance issues in the Pre-Patch.'
shrewd pine
I'm not even gonna respond anymore @strange python you're either trolling or way too stupid for me to deal with you in the morning
grim jay
same
nimble tartan
Ahh ok well that confirms it makes no sense then
nimble tartan
Everyone is so aggressive 😁
grim jay
ye smh
civic palm
Makes sense, 4% less damage going into sweeping changes.
lofty junco
what nerf?
shrewd night
IMAGINE NOT BEING ABLE TO READ BLUE POSTS
tiny vapor
Even if it's for the pre patch it might carry to lvl 120
strange python
imagine posting the same thing again and changing your discord name to ride the edge wave
civic palm
So...
nimble tartan
You're aggressive! Haha
nimble tartan
I love wow i like stabbing things :)
grim jay
smh
vapid moth
oooh so this is where the fun currenly is
solid nova
Yes its an odd time for tuning for pre-patch. Yes it's 4%. Yes we were overtuned in the first place. No it doesnt matter. BFA is a week away.
PRE-NERF DATA
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/398549488723296258/476339086047576064/unknown.png
grim jay
complaining about lv 120 bfa balance is complaining about lotto numbers of next year
solid nova
Any trolling in the spec channels about it will have their comments deleted.
nimble tartan
I hope i win the lotto
vapid moth
richard dropped his big hammer
nimble tartan
Haha
solid nova
What a mess over something so trivial.
vapid moth
sigh... that was my last gusher
nimble tartan
Thats an opinion
civic palm
#off-topic O _O
lofty junco
i was just wondering if there was a other nerf besides that pvp nerf for assa
nimble tartan
I dont see any trolls just dissenting opinions
civic palm
ducks 🛡
shrewd night
hey, my name is #wowheadnews , Im always overshadowed by the spec channels I know, as I cant possibly have any good information or up to date shit about patches or nuthin
nimble tartan
Hey no trolling
vapid moth
meh. 4%. my dps drops from 5900 to like 5600
grim jay
this channel suddenly has people trolling. it was never like that in the last years
vapid moth
So whats up with this FoK business @grim jay ?
strange python
fan of knives.
nimble tartan
Any sin roguers play bfa mythic plus i heard esxsang is cool
vapid moth
whats bfa
strange python
If u dont play exsang / CT Idk what u are doing with ur life
grim jay
best friendly advise
vapid moth
... what a rogue?
nimble tartan
Cant wait to try that out tisumifan
I haven't touched beta at all so everything is fresh!
lofty junco
and there are no pins for m+ IIRC
vapid moth
@nimble tartan me neither
grim jay
playing exsang would pretty much kill the spec for me
strange python
Why?
nimble tartan
I can see the fun but i like to pace myself and experience it raw
vapid moth
exactly
strange python
You are going to run the same Dungeons for the next 2 years
Whats 1-2 months of beta on top of that?
vapid moth
playing beta is like eating cookie dough
nimble tartan
U get salmonella?
vapid moth
if the game is that bad yes
tiny vapor
How is nobody reacting to the "experience it raw" ?
vapid moth
we reacting in off topic
supple mesa
The hell is wrong with eatting cookie dough
solid nova
You'll find the answer in #off-topic
edgy latch
not finding anything about this in the sin-guide
but do you play around EP uptime or envenom uptime?
im finding it easy to play around envenom uptime, but I see a lot of people having higher EP uptime than me when going through top logs
im at about 85%, while they're at 95%
my envenom uptime is higher though
lofty junco
high haste=higher EP uptime
edgy latch
right now, ive been playing around EP uptime during vendetta
but around envenom uptime for the rest of teh duration
my gear is quite shitty since i recently resubbed though
lofty junco
remember a 1CP finisher gives ya the same EP duration like a 5CP finisher
edgy latch
but does that really make it worth finishing with less than <4cp?
edgy latch
im finding it close to impossible to let rupture drop with current 4pt though
even when going for that last greedy envenom
supple mesa
So on giant pulls in m+ on bfa would 4 targets with rupture be enough? Or what
umbral hemlock
Assassin top legion rogue singel target dps atm?
lofty junco
i would put rupture on that many targets that ya can refresh it on all w/o let any of them expire
supple mesa
Alright I never played rogue without t21 so this is new for me. I’m going to miss only having to rupture primary target 😂
civic palm
haha
untold stone
Will assasi be worthless after the nerf in pvp?
strange python
Already is
untold stone
You think?
civic palm
No
unreal sundial
shrewd night
strange python
we got a 4% dmg nerf
lofty junco
better then a 27% nerf on 1 skill like WW^^
strange python
4% ar what 60-80 dps overall?
shrewd night
(total dps) / 100 * 4
ionic crown
🤔
gray reef
Which ww skill got nerfed by 27%?
shrewd pine
a) this is not monk discord
b) read patch notes, its clearly mentioned
lofty junco
monks are the enemy like cats and every leather/agi class!!!!!!
restive inlet
cat rogues are just a joke honestly, dw about them 😃
tidal plinth
Hello guys, im new to Rogue spec , what should be the best spec to lvl in bfa ?
shrewd night
Whatever you are most comfortable with.
strange python
tiny vapor
Beast Mastery
nimble tartan
My favorite spec is outlaw
tiny vapor
Do we have anything about CT and how many targets would be "enough" ?
strange python
Enough for what
tiny vapor
Use it
nimble tartan
2
nimble tartan
I like ur avatar
shrewd night
Let me check my crystal ball
Aoooaaaaaa 🔮
Crystal ball says discipline hunter is best
vale vigil
😄
strange python
Ur Twink will be in a Progress Guild also?
vale vigil
its not a top 100 guild but we are doing progress 3 times a week and 1 HC twink raid ^^
I had the most fun with outlaw 😄 but dont know how the others are doing :D$
strange python
Well Numbers dont matter yet, Fun is every spec if you enjoy Rogue 😛
Toolkits are good enough to be useful
vale vigil
yea they are so diffrent and thats cool
yea. Im thinking about playing rogue as twink. WW Monk and Furry are also cool 😄
strange python
Obviously
charred moat
Well that doesnt seem like very good balance then
green belfry
Sarcasm is the only way to defend against brilliant questions.
solid nova
4% of overtune is still overtune
strange python
Solid 10/10 data there
lone junco
tuning in progress.
ok. that made me lol
Assassin holds the top spot for every bracket of Mythic garothi for 10-99% 2nd for Max.
strange python
Someone has to be #1
lone junco
last time that happend was NH with Ago.
that is an interesting metric. Probably defines "easy"
best relative dps across any butchering of the rotation. and skill levels.
dull cargo
Dumb question, but, are poisons and bleeds considered to be part of the nerfs? Or is it an overall decrease?
Not that I really mind, I'm still outdpsing people who are 20ilvls over me.
lone junco
You will mind when we are raiding in 1yr and in second place. Will think back to this aura change. Like. NOOOOOOOOOO
strange python
guys: does exist any macro for Tricks of the Trade when that skill automatically is used on tank spec?
tribal apex
Is there any info on the dps value of different azerite traits available?
vast forum
set tank as your focus and use /cast [@focus]
lone junco
I have used a few. But I think tricks mouseovers is best.
lofty junco
i think he want a macro where tott is used on any player with tank spec in raid. and that would to great to have IIRC that enver existed
strange python
Just download a bot if u are to lazy to press the 5 buttons classes have
lofty junco
i don't think he wanted to be banned^^
true ingot
Of course Blizzard would nerf every rogue spec. But to really rub it in, they throw yet more love over to the warriors who aside from Warlocks have enjoyed paradise in Legion.
lofty junco
lets all that FOTM player reroll we play rogue for live!!!!
wraith dragon
assa needed it tbh, outlaw and sub not so sure
vocal wave
People over-react all the time. Rogues will be fine no matter what
solid nova
vocal wave
I mean, unless we are dealing 30% less dps than the top class, we'll still be taken for m+ high keys due to our utility and survivability, with three speccs that cover any niche that may be needed for any specific traits
solid nova
4% of overtuned, is still overtuned.
No panic required.
If it requires re-adjustment at 120, then it'll happen (eventually).
zealous dew
just watch a frost mage in m+ to see what overtuned is 😃
lofty junco
i just don'tlike it that our mastery atm is that weak that haste/crit is that much better
zealous dew
yup
lone junco
I'm confident that i am far too lazy to change classes based on balance.
zealous dew
or to respec outlul for m+
lone junco
Rogboi for the res my of my wow days.
solid nova
You'll be too busy oogling at green level upgrades to notice a 4% drop.
4% over 10 levels
🤷🏼
lone junco
We have 5 warlocks on roster. Pray to fuck that they are good.
lofty junco
we have no DH or monk atm in our roster. sounds good^^
wheat zealot
Doesnt really help you anymore because its all personal loot lmao
It would be better to have dhs and monks around so they can pass you gear they dont need
I always hated having 2 dhs and a monk and 3 druids on my raid team in legion though lmao
vocal wave
It'd be better to have both of those, because they both bring a 5% dmg increase for your raid team
Personal loot or nah
lofty junco
then ya doesn't remember what perso is. on that loottable there are X items that will drop and they will spread under all palyers so with 1 leather item and 3 leather palyer....
slow stag
Looks like Rogue Will still be viable in 120 :) and try to have 35 People on trial for bfa 
shrewd night
Looks like Rogue Will still be viable in 120
In what world wouldnt we bi viable?
slow stag
Its only 35 tho, not 55 😂
zealous dew
8 tonks 15 healers 32 dps
slow stag
What if we dont have a core 🤔
wheat zealot
Im assuming they do lfr so only 25 man
shrewd night
There is always a core, of at least one.
lofty junco
no matter what. assa is life!!!
vocal wave
What is the max you can take to a normal/HC raid anyways?
zealous dew
30
vocal wave
It's the beginning of an expansion. Majority of people won't be around for long
vocal wave
Okay, some people
zealous dew
or better, 35+ 20 - majority = mmm might pug last 3-4
wheat zealot
zealous dew
not possible, raid leader can't be trial or who decides the ppl to bench
so 27 trials + boss of bosses
vocal wave
Gotta make sure I ain't ass though
zealous dew
go sub
vocal wave
Ass as in shit, not assassin
wheat zealot
Lolol
zealous dew
just not outlul pls it's joke per se
vocal wave
"Hey guys, I enjoy all three Rogue speccs that are based on stealth and combo points."
"Why aren't you playing mage?"
🤔
shrewd night
What do you mean outlul is a joke
solid nova
I agree, spots should always be competitive
wheat zealot
Im guessing you guys are a newly formed team?
vocal wave
We#re not a top 150 guild or anything, so I give everyone the same chance to get a spot
Yeah we're new
If I can't even hold a spot as a FOTM class like Rogue then I shouldn't be on the team
solid nova
I mean, technically all spots are up for grabs on expansion release
zealous dew
good luck!
zealous dew
you can be the mascotte
vocal wave
Exactly
zealous dew
and train the cheerleaders
lone junco
Ayyy nerds. Should I use coins on weapon bosses for bfa raid or best azerite drop bosses? Maybe they overlap.
zealous dew
or wait sims 😃
wheat zealot
As a rogue you should at least be able to beat the other melee 99% of the time
zealous dew
or farm m+ for weapons
vocal wave
I mean, don't weps have a higher dps value than the traits?
zealous dew
shrug
lone junco
There is a fist ace mace and 2daggers. I'll prob just get coins anyway.
wheat zealot
Fist weps would be cool
lone junco
I dgaf about cool. Just want best dps for least effort.
wheat zealot
Lmao the good tmog is dps increase didnt you know?
vocal wave
I mean, Exang always sims lower for me
lone junco
Cause apl is bad. Zing.
vocal wave
Oh zing
lone junco
Or your gear was never good.
vocal wave
H-hey
wheat zealot
I dont like exsang right now with vendetta cd
vocal wave
Just because I don't have any tier sets, or weapons above 210, or an gear above 220, or any trinkets from Antorus
Doesn't mean my gear is bad okay?
lone junco
It's got bad alignment now.
somber egret
Question should I panic now?!
lone junco
Looking for that apl to delay exsang for vendetta and vendetta vanish alignment.
solid nova
About?
wheat zealot
If it wasent for that i would use it because how busted garrote is, but i dont wanna hold exsang for 30 seconds or hold vendetta for exsang to come back up
lone junco
Ye
vocal wave
lone junco
It's all numbers. Legion 2p4p 
was just super smooth. 😭
somber egret
4% across the bored nerf means I have to try now
shrewd night
Three percent need oh no time to panic shit is going down the drain rogue is fed class for bfa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
vocal wave
I mean, when is the best time to use Exang?
somber egret
Never?🤷♂️
somber egret
And pandemiced I would think
wheat zealot
Its not even worth it rn, but youd for sure want use it on an empowered garrote + vendetta + 5 cp rupture in your opener
sinful fern
Is there a list anywhere that shows the best Azerite traits for the 3 specs?
wheat zealot
Not in the exact order per se but you want all those buffed by the exsang
somber egret
Just a little buff to exang and it 🐝 good
wheat zealot
Make it a 30 second cd and it aligns with vendetta, that would be a game changer
unreal coyote
somber egret
Back to logs and seeing what top players do and if nerf changes anything
solid nova
4% of overtuned is still overtuned
BFA next week, 4% of 10 levels will go totally un-noticed
If they'd sent the nerf out and not said anything
You'd not have noticed
somber egret
I think it’s because of the strong azerite armor traits we get and it’s preemptive
vestal wren
mythic 90%tile (who was nerfed/buffed)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/398549488723296258/476339086047576064/unknown.png
shrewd night
'prepatch balance adjustment'
Ah yes, its because of azerite traits that arent available in prepatch.
vestal wren
sin was highly overtuned
so at least that nerf was justified
the rest is discussable
solid nova
Let me add that to my pin Fuu
somber egret
Aura buff I thought could make talents that weren’t used come more into play. But I guess I was wrong.
You’re saying no real change
vestal wren
while DH is extremely high and did not get a nerf
shrewd night
Aurabuff meaning, everything is nerfed by 4 percent. Relative strength isnt changed.
vestal wren
this is from wcl not sims
wheat zealot
Dh can pump out numbers rn
vestal wren
as the nerf was targeted at pre-patch
fast nacelle
ah okay then it doesnt matter
killtimes n shit plays in
dh will be just fine
assa was busted
vestal wren
to be fair worrying about pre-patch balance 1 week before xpack is 🙃
vestal wren
so i dont rly understand blizz reasoning nor user reaction
shrewd night
Can we pin that fuu thing too?
solid nova
Already have
wheat zealot
But my dps for the next week 
solid nova
Updated my pin
fast nacelle
also who thinks they balanced cause of current logs
nerfing all rogue specs is more a bfa thing anyway
somber egret
This Aura nerf won’t carry into bfa?
fast nacelle
it wont?
shrewd night
My head
vestal wren
current bance does not matter at all, legos and tier are high impact factors
shrewd night
Hurts
somber egret
Ahh ok
vestal wren
@somber egret best would be to look at the spell data on beta client
i am not sure if they carry the nerfs over
but i would assume by default that they do
fast nacelle
it wouldnt make any sense to make shit for 1 week
somber egret
Not trying to be a dumbass just trying to wrap my head around and understand how you guys see it
dark crag
Nerf now, buff later
fast nacelle
theres no need for buffs
rogue seems fine so far in bfa
in every aspect
so 3-4% nerf to start would be logical for all specs aiming for bfa
who would nerf shit for 1 week
vestal wren
there will be balance changes
fast nacelle
oh dont worry not just balance changes
if they wont change weekly m+ chest to less rng than 1-3 items (also with only scource of azerite amor in m+ is weekly chest so some classes have to pray)
dark crag
Mechanic changes? Never
fast nacelle
i ll shave my balls and smoke my hair
vestal wren
well blizz might need to change some specs to make them better playable
shrewd night
Someone screen that
fast nacelle
8.1 probably
shrewd night
I want to see it
autumn bloom
the garrote pvp change and aura nerf were really fair i think
vestal wren
yes i dont think there will be class changes before 8.1 ye
autumn bloom
i think that combined with the haste drop off at 120 will keep sin fairly normalized
fast nacelle
every class have this haste drop
autumn bloom
yeah
autumn bloom
but sins kit was balanced in legion without haste scaling
so adding it on top of the mastery improvement
was bound to make prepatch crazy
fast nacelle
doesnt rly matter..other classed abused high secondary stats compared to stats you ll reach early bfa aswell
its not like assa became #1 at every fight
fast nacelle
after haste affected bleedings
vestal wren
DH is atm quite overtuned also
vestal wren
also given you can make a 1 buffon rotation macro if you are smart 😉
lone junco
Tyra. if you need a guild hmu. our other rogue died.
dark crag
Prepatch fights with a good grp are a little bit over 2 mins long
lone junco
work stuff. he had to quit
strange python
blizz bring back us kingsbane in place of tb or buff exsa in 8.1 pls
Why would they need to buff exsang if its already better than TB?
wheat zealot
Because its not
autumn bloom
tb is lame
dapper moat
how its lame?
autumn bloom
rng
wheat zealot
What rng is there with tb lul
autumn bloom
pb procs
charred moat
wheat zealot
Lol wut
sudden ravine
PB is garbage now anyway
lone junco
I dont really care. I just like the fast push from exsang. good for fat Fortified priority mobs.
sudden ravine
It's like 2%of my damage. 3%if I'm lucky
wheat zealot
You obviously havent played assass post legion
lone junco
TB requires like 3 rounds to pass the 45 sec window from Exsang.
robust light
Where are these nerfs listed?
solid nova
autumn bloom
if i exsang after garrote rupture i feel much more secure in that damage, specifically in pvp
lone junco
pvp has been LOLS
autumn bloom
yea its goofy
lone junco
4p20 subterguge into Kidney bleed sephuz exsang
sudden ravine
I haven't pvpd in the prepatch but I've heard funny stories
lone junco
pre nerf was just dumb.
I killed mages in 1 whole second.
was like the air just got let out.
not a 1shot, just this silly draining of hps.
autumn bloom
does elaborate planning affect dots already on the target?
wheat zealot
Yes
autumn bloom
oh sick, thx
short token
nerfs haven't gone live yet
merry elbow
Im pretty sure that nerfs are live in NA
short token
there's no way nerfs are live atm, just got out of a bg doing same damage on my creeping venom
multiple rogues in bg's confirming
unreal salmon
which legendaries are you going to usw till 116?
solid nova
It's 4%, i'd be surprised if you can tell in the first place
strange python
how are you going to notice a 4% difference anyway?
as Richard said multiple times, if they never would've mentioned the nerfes
we never would have noticed
round harbor
solid nova
And those changes are 100% live on NA servers.
"Blizzard has announced some class tuning that will be applied with tomorrow's weekly maintenance on August 7th. "
Its 4%, thats why you dont notice anything
It's trivial
solid nova
strange python
and it's 4% with one week until BfA launch
solid nova
Monks have a 27% blackout kick nerf, it's all quiet
Rogues get a 4% nerf
Chaos all day
merry elbow
What do you mean quiet. Monks are so pissed lol
strange python
surprised it wasn't touch of karma
ornate gazelle
the masses won't notice and shouldn't care, the min-maxxers will
like all slight nerfs
dire lintel
the 27% on monk is good to be honest now you can play the old way and use rsk again ^^
strange python
yea I heard rsk wasn't worth pressing