Are you guys finding it easier to run mythic keys since patch? I ran a couple of +14s and a +17 last night and they were a lot easier. Even the +15 on Sunday seemed like a breeze.
#assassination
spare narwhal
strange python
yeah.
yeah garrote all the way baby .
with sb-fuse you will love it and track your empowered
lone junco
@crimson terrace for small packs I dont mind subterfuge garrotes and multiple ruptures But after about 2 ruptures im looking to Ct.
I should look at Ct hit values in crit.
tranquil birch
Some of the tyranical bosses last week on higher levels were really broken
spare narwhal
+15 tyrannical vault and everything died. I mean they melted and the group I run with is a tight group. We are not that tight . Even the last boss we only had to dodge ghosts once. Just wanted to make sure others were seeing the same thing.
acoustic bane
Lovely more problems Blizz yet to fix >.>. BfA MONTH one will be heck at this rate.
civic palm
There will always be problems.
frail gate
Went from a 240 singed fang with a socket to a 225 scourgewing with a socket, gained 200 dps...
civic palm
He's the only DPS in the raid.
lofty junco
cheater detected!!!!
crimson terrace
@lone junco sounds good i have to get a feel for it there probably isnt a set rule for x number of mobs
frail gate
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iTp8agcEYYkEopV9DEBp2z heres another sim for those who get salty about belt sims
21 dps loss, big bug, belt definitely not simming right
How is it unrealistic simming 21 dps higher?
civic palm
If you only lost 21 DPS and not ~200 there's a chance that the belts bonus might have been turned off O _O
frail gate
Well the belt has always simmed 40-50 higher than other combos since prepatch launch so. Weapon auto attack damage and weapon dps is more of a factor now and does more % of our damage which is what the belt takes into account
fathom fulcrum
If I have a ring that gives me just as much crit / haste as the base sephuz's is it still worth it to use in burning throne? Everywhere I looks says it and insignia are the two best legos to wear but I am just confused how when on a lot of raid boss fights you wont be chaining together procs every 30 sec.
lone junco
@frail gate we all know that having lust and 3 dh in the raid will wreck your belt sim
just make sure to wear belt for odyn in HoV.
civic palm
@vestal wren has the belt bonus been turned off in SIMc?
lone junco
I played a lot of belt for KJ progress as sub cause we werent getting to the sin bracer phases.
carmine solstice
@frail gate 8 pantheon trinket tho
frail gate
We have 15 in raid
supple hearth
@lone junco same for avatar
carmine solstice
in your raid, there are 15 players who has amanthul?
lone junco
8 sim isnt horrible if you have logs to compare the avg output. but most just use 0.
carmine solstice
8 sim is horrible, it gives you extra dps for nothing
carmine solstice
just give me one reason why "ok"
civic palm
Yeah not having any added trinkets means you lose practical DPS from the SIM due to missing a bonus from the trinket.
plain thistle
because you can check your logs and check how much dps and/or % of your damage comes from the proc and compare it with 8 pantheon trinket sim?
civic palm
Yarrr
carmine solstice
ohgod
plain thistle
its the "default" number used for a long time here bro
civic palm
Thought it was like, 5-8 at some point.
frail gate
Pantheon trinkets are massively overtuned right now which is why its set to 8, and its been set to 8 as jhon said because thats the default number we've used for a while
plain thistle
yeah, that is the number we use to sim with pantheon, you can sim with 0 if you want to "solo sim", but pantheon trinket = antorus, no reason to sim without it if you only cares about antorus
civic palm
Yeah turn off the blizzard bar CD tracking.
civic palm
Yeah but the Blizzard number is not in decimal and cannot be altered.
frail gate
Looking at gorothi sims because someone said none of the top logs show belt being top, which is true however looking at insiginia damage, r1 na for sin on gorothi has 18.7k from insignia... vs belt doing double that
civic palm
Will turn off all CDs numbers on bars/bags/etc.
If you want the WA ones removed just go to DISPLAY in the bad WA's and turn off the TEXT options.
There's a checkbox.
fallow estuary
I believe you confuse the word "log" and sim" @frail gate
orchid cove
just get a better belt or better rings
civic palm
frail gate
@fallow estuary nah meant to say log typed wrong word
unless thats what you meant, then yes I did confuse the word lol
lone junco
id rather have single digit count than turn off my bars. so ill do that
civic palm
I actually don't see that number on mine at all, even with the blizzard CD numbers on O _O
lone junco
the clock function and the single digit is plenty
civic palm
Do you have OmniCC by chance?
lone junco
no
civic palm
kk
stiff vale
anyone know how i cange change the look of the icon in WA?
civic palm
Use something like Masque to change the border of the icons. @stiff vale
plain thistle
you can use masque to change the icon appearance, its a separated addon
civic palm
Yeah I turned my blizzard CDs back on and it didn't put any duplicated numbers, mmm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lone junco
looks good now.
civic palm
That's all that matters.
civic palm
Yeah minus the duped CD on Vendetta 😛
lone junco
I want to tricks a specific tank name, (my focus macro keeps breaking)
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/use [help,nodead][@Livvius] Tricks of the Trade
is that how it would work?
lone junco
my focus one was breaking a lot. so i manually target focus then cast
sucks when my focus gets reset.
just going to have a hard typed name
civic palm
IIRC I moved to pre-combat targeting, and then targetoftarget in combat.
civic palm
I just use Kui to see the number since the refresh is so small.
civic palm
Could also put it in the center, as nothing is there other than shoulders.
civic palm
Yeah gotta make sure it's tracking the right thing.
and that the condition is set to the right time.
civic palm
The NS snapshotting might be broken, but that's easy to chang as well.
civic palm
Yeah the labeling needs changing if you want the NS snapshotting to work.
lone junco
i just need the tracker
not just NS, it was the pandemic refresh number
oh wait. any finisher at all changes the green text white
so an env will turn the green refresh on rupture back to white
civic palm
what you do? lol
opaque tree
i still SIM higher with shoudler / insignia... ravenholdt is saying (even when I use their gear filter) that doulbe ring (sephuz / insig) are best
opaque tree
if it's different for literally every person, why are they saying those are the two best to use?
sand whale
because a lot of people don't do their homework like you jordan
opaque tree
it's confusing... are the SIMs wrong, ,or slighty off?
like i have all these rogues whipsering me saying, "you know double ring is BiS now" and i'm like.."okay well i sim highest with shoulders / insig"
lone junco
its up to your gear
civic palm
@lone junco Change this to %p if you still have an issue.
sand whale
like me I didn't check pins in quick questions but I do it everywhere else, they just throw around questions like me!
opaque tree
also, when i do stat weights on Raidbots, it's a slightly different than Quciksims, is that always the case?
lone junco
#1 raidbots is fine.
#2 my best is shoulder bracer
sand whale
how slight? quicksim probably lower iterations
lone junco
#3 anyone that saiys sephuz insig is bis doesnt know what they are talking about. the proper answer is, did it sim highest for you, if so then it may your best.
sephuz insig may very well be your best, if you have low haste.
lone junco
yeah thats high
lone junco
it would be better if you could proc it, but on fights where you cant, you dont need to wear it.
opaque tree
ERIK, it's about like 10 damage difference
sand whale
if you can proc it consistently = good, somewhere like m+
lone junco
and anything less than like 0.5% is a wash.
opaque tree
i dunno it's just weird, lol like i'm wondering why it chanages going from Stat weights to Quick Sims
same gear
lone junco
fight style matters a lot.
opaque tree
nope, just raiding
lone junco
I dont know what quick sims is
Coven is 2T vs a fight like kingo vs Varith
style matters.
lone junco
settings
these are normal
and if you are talking about 10 dps different, then there is variance between any two sim runs.
civic palm
I am going to have to make a branch of this WA =\
sand whale
alright so it's the same thing I just checked it out
quicksim just skips the stat weight part
lone junco
@civic palm its fine. once i turned off the Energy and cps and swing timers, all the trackers look good and work. the green text is a bit wonky, but the subterfuge garrote is what matters.
civic palm
Nah I am making a branch that has bar CP and one that has numerical CP.
It's annoying trying to automate the conditions and easier to just have two different branches.
What green text btw?
opaque tree
so if quick sims just skips the stat weight part
should i never quick sim then?
should I always use stat weight instead?
lone junco
Green pandemic window for rupture will turn white when i hit envenom, then will wait 2 sec and go green again
its not a big deal.
civic palm
o _o
lone junco
the ns garrote or ns rupture isnt colored.
lone junco
this doesnt make sense tho
that is on EP as well
yeah, its on all of them
ah thats it. ns open is working with vig
afk
civic palm
@lone junco Yeah this was a bit of weirdness introduced with me wanting to have the WA suite adapt to using different CP displays due to their being height issues and icons needing to be moved.
The latest Numerical CP branch has all of that conditional junk removed.
lone junco
Ill just uncheck talent loaded and they should all work the same right?
civic palm
Yeah probably, will work MORE, if nothing else.
I've basically just removed the things restricting things from loading with the update.
@lone junco I see the number change from the NS empowerment at low numbers, odd but... whatever.
The scripting in the garrote and rupture WA for the snapshotting was done by Stjern like, two years ago O _O
I just changed some crap to stop them from throwing errors due to the prepatch.
strange python
anyone else from EU stuck at loading screen?
trim haven
HI ALL
civic palm
👋
trim haven
since prepatch
i switched from sub to ASSA
since it was better... is it still better since last patches ?
strange python
trim haven
hotfixes
swift skiff
sure thanks
lilac lily
Does the Nightborn racial affect our poison damage? Or any Rogue source of damage at all?
royal ore
does anyone have a put poisons weakaura?
steep obsidian
if you cant find one you like come back and I'll share on my one but its pretty shit
steep obsidian
i made my one take up half my screen
but it only warns when poisons are gone not when they low
should get a better one but lazy
lone junco
I have a refresh aura for Alacrity that only shows up at < 10 sec
I dont care when it is on full.
civic palm
So yeah the Remaining Time, doesn't count 0 or "missing" as a value.
flint jetty
Would that be a separate trigger itself?
civic palm
I don't think it should have to be, yaknow?
With 2 it's easy, but that feels like an annoying step =\
So now it's < 10min or Missing.
flint jetty
Yeah for sure. Should be able to do that idk why you wouldn't. Or of there is it's probably some round about way of doing it.
civic palm
Well the round-about way of doing it is just adding another trigger for when it's missing.
It's just that I don't think WoW seeing MISSING as 0.
steep obsidian
the answer to whether weak auras can do something is always yes
as long as the api can do it weak auras can
just sometimes it needs custom coding
sand whale
I have a bandaid fix for empowered but it's totally not accurate since no coding
but it works for now
civic palm
I've NS empowered done but Subterfuge is w/e.
lone junco
Those cp frame and e bars are bleh. Unit frame has that stuff.
sand whale
but I like it :<
astral quartz
What's a good up time % on elaborate planning in a simple st fight?
jovial kite
steep obsidian
its the one thing that meant you had to actually pay attention and made the spec not completely braindead
so nah im not happy
supple mesa
I mean I guess loo
civic palm
Nah it was a potato ability.
supple mesa
That’s what I’m saying lol
It was just another lame ability to pool for
Spec feels much more smooth now imo
fervent beacon
Well, I miss playing with KB, that's for sure.
So I ran high crit/haste with EP and performed pretty well in + with CT.
steep obsidian
well add some complexity back into the spec then?
not hat kb was complex
but at least you could fuck it up without planning for it
there aren't any azerite traits that do anythign exciting it just all boring passive things unless im missing something
fast nacelle
you couldnt really fuck up
kb did nothing.. you could have used it on cd without pooling and without keeping up envenom and still lose very little dmg
kb mattered a little bit back with ap and double dmg bug but even then it wasnt like you lose super hard dmg.
wow isnt meant to lose super much dmg if you fuck up anything minor
civic palm
Pretty much.
fast nacelle
not anymore
civic palm
Unless you find yourself away from a boss now and not auto-attacking them O _O
fast nacelle
you could fuck up everything and equal it with pb
civic palm
Yeah there's a reason that the SIM performed well while basically never pooling.
Nuance is there but it's tiny numbers.
There's nuance as well with KB but it's only in covering the duration and then doing something else.
and that's barely interesting.
stark heart
I miss KB dearly
sand stream
how we have poison bomb instead of KB is beyond me
shrewd night
KB wouldnt have been a choice for AOE, which was arguably the main point of assassination being ass previously
west yoke
Apologies if this is a stupid question, but does Envenom register if used directly after Marked for Death? When I use Envenom immediately after MfD, no combat text appears
shrewd night
Are any of those on the GCD?
west yoke
MfD isn't, envenom is
shrewd night
Doublechecked for you. Is anything registering in your combat log chat?
west yoke
Yeah it is now, I only used mfd and envenom. When i'm mid combat though I don't see anything. I didn't miss it with all the dot spam either
vestal wren
@civic palm no
edgy lark
can some1 help me i can't use the smokebomb
supple mesa
Have you tried lighting it?
supple mesa
Refund it
edgy lark
how ?
supple mesa
Did you keep the receipt?
balmy condor
edgy lark
no i picked up the box on the table but i can't deploy it
i abandon the quest and did it again and I still can't use the smokebomb
strange python
is there a way to get the new mount added in the pre patch
the burning teldrasil one
elder crystal
not until part 2 of that questline is added
vestal wren
3rd part is exclusive to pre order iirc
strange python
is what?
elder crystal
undercity is the bfa launch event from what I saw
Just that preorders might get to do it earlier
strange python
oh ok
dapper moat
its true
shrewd night
They can see you on the map, but that doesnt help them though
tight meteor
how much are you guys simming for
weak isle
6.5K
weak isle
yep
tight meteor
mind linking armory
how much are you actually pulling compared to sims
i feel like i cant pull the same as my sims
shrewd night
Thats often due to, no offense intended, bad play
weak isle
i'm pulling ~6.5K actually
tight meteor
eh
tight meteor
belt?
weak isle
ye i was messing around with it
solar wasp
AmanTHICC
weak isle
xD
tight meteor
eh i guess ill have to try again in a raid environment
i feel like the dps drops off so much after the opener
shrewd night
Just as a control question
When you try to reach the sim dps
Are you using pots/flask/heroism the full package?
weak isle
no i use golg
shrewd night
Yeeeah
weak isle
in raids
shrewd night
Thats like 1,1k right there
weak isle
i just like walking around with it xD
1.1K O.o
last time i simmed with and without buffs
i had 500 difference
tight meteor
also anyone know if a lower ilvl toe knee is worth farming lol
weak isle
18.5 days
tight meteor
i mean i have nothing to do and im just chillin doing m+
shrewd night
Buffs - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bbe1YPAWHsmm4spf4QCdRp
NoBuffs - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rcdEicwzRUMoHdE4nya9aw
tight meteor
where do you get the input for no buffs?
weak isle
advanced settings
steep obsidian
i think i actually had a 960 toe nee at some point and rage vendoredit
onyx rock
Best Group EU lmao
lofty junco
wtf ya 250+ and the other 150 or what?^^
unreal sundial
how does ass rogue two target/multi target compare to outlaws?
unreal sundial
i havent really decided on what spec i will play in BFA
shrewd night
Deciding now is dumb, wait until tuning.
tight meteor
oh for bfa im not sure im a pleb with no beta access
vestal wren
i dont think you cans ay what spec is best for raids in bfa, azerite can change there quite a bit
unreal sundial
yeah i say 'deciding' lightly, as i am re rolling from caster so will need to put time into learning a lot
tight meteor
@vestal wren have people started theorycrafting traits yet or no
like which ones are bis
shrewd night
Learn two specs well now, pick the better one after tuning is likely the better option.
vivid bone
if you need help with learning rotation etc, you can use hero-rotation addon @unreal sundial
vestal wren
the traits are all in simulationcraft if you ask for that
we did not run mass sims and put the data into charts yet
nor did we do a lot of adjustments for the traits in the apl (if needed)
unreal sundial
i haven't played rogue since Burning Crusade, so it feels all very rough.
tight meteor
so no eta on that yet right?
unreal sundial
and thanks for the addon suggestion Luke
tight meteor
or do you not plan to do it at all
vivid bone
Np. Helped me a lot on all my alts
vestal wren
we do
vivid bone
I can play without it on some
vestal wren
but there is no rush
vivid bone
but for some it's absolutely handy
vestal wren
also blizz announced that they will add additional traits
tight meteor
i see
unreal sundial
the last time i played rogue all i had to care about was threat & Slice and Dice on Brut, heh
vestal wren
and traits seem to be bad balanced atm, there are some traits that are not even worh using
fossil inlet
They did already add 2 new azerite traits iirc
tight meteor
lol
fossil inlet
I ran some trait sims yday. The results are a bit interesting to say the least. Though in some cases its probably just the apl not playing around them properly
true zealot
can someone tell me what addon they use for combo points on the name plats
its so hard otherwise ;/
vivid bone
unit frames > player frame > class bar
whole gyro
I think you can change it from the interface menu actually, don't even need an addon for that but yeah elvui is great.
it was in the name plates menu or something in interface
oblique pendant
lofty junco
like begin of WoD where we was so trash they gived oujr loot to monks...
dire spoke
just find exploits when rogue is weak
hollow rose
whats the best neck enchant right now?
warped crest
Is the best time to use toxic blade right before an envenom?
Is envenoms damage "poisen" damage?
Or is it just beneficial due to the buff envenom provides
urban shuttle
is that true that haste increases now poison and bleeding damage? i mean the client writes only attack speed + energy regen, but a lot of people are saying that it increases the poison and bleeding damage too
shrewd night
Was about to say luke, that was close 
urban shuttle
lol, thanks for the info ^^
limber pilot
what are the best legos for this weeks affixes
seeing alot of people use shoulder /wrists
limber pilot
warped crest
Can no one answer my toxic blade questions
vivid bone
It's probably 
or 
warped crest
Im more interested in its mechanics than numbers
vivid bone
it is
shrewd night
Those are some 
questions tho
vivid bone
Well, I choose to ignore the obvious questions
like if it's poison damage or not
reading the tooltip is hard clearly
autumn trench
Best time to use tb is on cd
shrewd night
Why ignore them when you can meme so hard
autumn trench
Not more complicated than that
vivid bone
Cos I'm trying not to be toxic outside off-topic
It's all in the pins though Ekuls
People should read that before asking questions here
Nice of you to answer but that's not how people learn
steady wharf
It's nice to be nice. Some people need a bit more pointers than others
lofty junco
i juse envenom every time before i use TB(outside of opener) to get most from the buffs in that TB window
*use
autumn trench
There's 20 lines of memeing though between question and answer
Not sure how that promotes learning
warm parcel
There is also #385145484559253506 for simple questions
autumn trench
^
warped crest
Cant post in quick question
shrewd night
Did you
warped crest
Says i dont have access
warped crest
Otherwise thats where id have gone
lofty junco
go to bot-spam and get ya spec-colour
shrewd night
If you read the pins, you would have known why you cant post.
So how about reading the pins.
warm parcel
Theres instructions there
warped crest
Christ, friendly bunch in here. Love you all ✌🏻
vivid bone
shrewd night
steady wharf
Toxic Blade?
warped crest
Do you have read pins macro'd
shrewd night
Yes
vivid bone
No
shrewd night
Because thats where you find the answer to 99% of what people are asking.
lofty junco
i hadn't knowed that with botspam and get my colour too at the beginning had need topo some time to figure it out^^
shrewd night
Ironically enough, the color thing was applied so people would read pins.
warped crest
Guess youd have a pretty silent class 'discussion' if everyone read the pins then.
So much for community learning i guess. 🤦
undone cedar
Pins? whats that
vivid bone
Discussion is something different than constantly answering the same stupid questions
But you got your answers right
warped crest
Well everyone understands the class to different degrees. I appologise if im not upto your standards.
solid nova
@warped crest In regards to your envenom question, you still want to be aiming to get as many envenoms into your TB window as possible. That being said you'll get a better (all be it small) dps increase from TB before Envenom.
All the information is in the channel topic and pinned messages.
To type in #385145484559253506 you'll need a rank which can be sorted in #bot-spam (information on bot commands also pinned 📌 )
lofty junco
@solid nova but would we not get a small dps if we got our t21 and envenom buff before use TB?
solid nova
The dps gain from either situation is extremely minimal, hence why the guide recommends TB on cooldown.
Either/or it's negligible
lofty junco
allright i had always use envenom before TB cause i thought its a dps increase
warped crest
@solid nova thanks for the reply. 🙂
solid nova
No problem mate.
vivid bone
Don't I get a thank you
warped crest
See , stupid questions have lead ti more questions
lofty junco
@vivid bone thank ya^^
vivid bone
Not a shame
shrewd night
All of the information WAS in the pins.
vivid bone
it works
shrewd night
So uh
lofty junco
they grown so fast https://tyrola.at/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Applaus.jpg
frozen karma
check pins is said in every single class discord tbh, no point in repeating the same info all the time if there's already a guide that contains everything you need to know (or most things)
warped crest
Sometimes people have questions even after reading pins.
I like to look at the icyveins guides then ask questions on topics im not 100% on.
vivid bone
icy-veins 
warped crest
Not sure why thats an issue but W/E ill just stay quiet and bad at the game 😂
shrewd night
@warped crest I get that you dont feel that its a particularly friendly way to be met when you have questions. But this is a question that we have gotten daily since the release of Nighthold. Posts that answer common questions or contains guides are pinned for that very reason, so its easy for newcomers to find and absorb. If you ask questions that we know are 100% answered with pins or guides..........
lofty junco
thats discussion apeard in every class discord i look xD
i think rogue is just a bit more heavy for gear stups cause we have so much things that we can chose^^
warped crest
@shrewd night yeah i understand that you probably get lotd of basic questions, and maybe icy veins isnt the best information source. But even with all the literature in the world at your disposal sometime asking questions gets the best understanding.
Lots*
lofty junco
just look at the top of the channel there is a link to ravenholdt
shrewd night
If you had said to us either in the opening line, or in the followup sentence that you already read the pins but needed further clarification, you would have gotten help. But instead you chose nag at us for pointing you at the pins. We are not mind readers, we do not what aspect of the information you do not understand. At the surface level, all the information you requested, was in the pins, where we directed you.
warped crest
@vivid bone interesting, then why are questions strongly encouraged at every educational level from preschool - masters degree level haha
lofty junco
remember me of the book burnings in my country...please don't just this sentence
vivid bone
Because we are just repeating the guide now, which is the same 'literature'
lofty junco
*use
vivid bone
Questions are encouraged if you have read the literature and want to discuss further
that's not the case here
Case closed
I'm done
warped crest
Ok good to know, next time ill come with a full appendix with Harvard references.
lofty junco
sarcasmus detected
have someone a good mouseover macro for rupture/garrote or interrupt?
warped crest
Inb4 pins
vivid bone
I find using mouseover macros for applying dots kinda awkward tbh
Interrupt can be good, except the range might be an issue :/
lofty junco
yeah but for fights like command i found it akward with tab/click
lofty junco
btw i noticed that not all cc or similiar things procc sephuz
vivid bone
Luckily you don't have to deal with that much longer
shrewd night
afaik everything outside of root will proc it
vivid bone
I don't even have sephuz
shrewd night
Because its technically not a full on loss of control spell, but I could be wrong
lofty junco
used garrote in stealth on a mob but the silence doesn't procc it but sapp and kidney procc it...
warm parcel
Anything past snare procs
shrewd night
snare/root. Aaaaaaalmost the same
lofty junco
used sephuz and GA for most of the time
shrewd night
Oh right, I forgot the /s
warm parcel
Well. Not everyone might know
vivid bone
Fair point
warped crest
😂
lofty junco
what so funny?^^
vivid bone
something funny Simon?
shrewd night
Probably something he found in the pins
warped crest
Nothing ill keep it to myself
dark isle
lofty junco
i wait for the gear/talent question^^
shrewd night
Dont let him post unless he shows his harvard credentials. He said he'd do it.
frozen karma
NASA employee ID required to post here
warped crest
Credentials 🤔
vivid bone
If you're resorting to that, you might as well give up
warped crest
Resorting to?
frozen karma
heck yeah*
lofty junco
i think he must talk to his counterfeiter before posting^^
frozen karma
Christian discord
warped crest
@lofty junco what are you on about, counterfeiter for what haha?
lofty junco
for ya havard references^^
warped crest
Havard referencing is a method of laying out a bibliography page. Ive not claimed to go to harvard
vivid bone
Havard tho
keen inlet
Works Cited
or did they change that
idk been ages since I used APA/MLA formats
literally 10+ years
shrewd night
Simo probably knows, he went to Harvard
vivid bone
Not Havard?
warped crest
frozen karma
brazen garden
i've got a PHD in poison bomb force proccing
frozen karma
assassination discussion btw
vivid bone
I guess you learn something new every day
vivid bone
Yeah, the things you asked for are though
keen inlet
This is off-topic but
https://www.rlf.org.uk/resources/mla-apa-harvard-or-mhra/ Apparently Harvard Referencing is just APA with their own little idiosyncrasies. Because of course Harvard would need their own style, f universal academic formats amirite
shrewd night
When someone doesnt understand they have invented a new meme
Better send him to harvard
vivid bone
Havard*
shrewd night
I keep fucking that up, damn
frozen karma
but do we all TB before envenom 🤔
lofty junco
that said @solid nova we should do
warped crest
@frozen karma for that small dps increase apparently 😂
lofty junco
ya should ALL the time try to increase ya dps without dying!
frozen karma
Struggling with a tough foe? Remember, just keep your Health above 0 while lowering your enemy's Health to 0. Works every time!
warped crest
That's probably in the pins
shrewd night
Thats some Havard shit right there.
lofty junco
i want our class/spec auras back^^
spare cloud
warped crest
So i dont upset anyone in the future is there a serperate channel for help with logs? Cant seem to see any? @vivid bone
warped crest
🙄
shrewd night
As long as you can handle the roast if you play badly, this is the right one.
If you cant handle the roast, dont post it here, or in any other channel.
vivid bone
Yeah, Koffing is really good in analysing logs
warped crest
Hahah i dont mind the roast. Here to learn, be bad and hopfully improve
Thick skinn
shrewd night
thicc skin, best skin
spare cloud
T H I C C Skin
keen inlet
So long as it doesn't get too harsh or attacking the player rather than the play, I kinda view the ensuing roast as the "payment" for the time log-reviewers give you
Do not insult the player.
warped crest
@keen inlet sounds fair to me 😂
spare cloud
Tough love is love as well
shrewd night
No dad, not the belt.
keen inlet
You could literally pick any player in the world and find a log that looked extremely bad
for xyz reasons
warped crest
Bully the badness out thr player. Its tough love
vivid bone
You're getting the hang of it
warped crest
Meme'd
spare cloud
I don't understand that meme
warm parcel
Yeah people usually just post here and ask whats wrong
echo hill
Why does the guide on WoWHead tell me to spec Toxic Blade but then in the rotation / priority there is no mention of it?
lofty junco
wasn't there a website to analyse ya logs?
warm parcel
Doubt its worth jack for prepatch
vestal wren
the guide writer probably forgot to add it
humble thunder
use the ravenholdt guide?
warped crest
Not the icyviens one either apparently 😂
echo hill
Oh, I took for granted you guys made the WOWHead guide
lofty junco
was more for that guy that had asked again a much asked question^^
lofty junco
SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/battle-for-azeroth-quickstart-guides/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE
warm parcel
Isnt the author mentioned there
keen inlet
grayhound is the wowhead writer and I believe he does 2/3 icy-veins specs (or maybe it's all 3 now?)
But those are separate entities from Ravenholdt, and we don't hold responsibility (or hold grayhound responsible) for keeping them updated/accurate. That's his project. 😃
robust light
anyone got a nice combo points weak aura? every one ive found on wago so far doesnt have 6 combo's when deeper strat is taken
lofty junco
mom
keen inlet
@robust light Ipse's did when I used them, fwiw
wheat zealot
Icyveins is for bads 
lofty junco
lofty junco
give me a sec
hoary copper
Ravenholdt hasnt been updated for prepatch, use the pins instead
hoary copper
Yesterday it had a note it hadnt been updated
hoary copper
you're a quicky 
warm parcel
lofty junco
@robust light https://wago.io/HyTFFBSV-
keen inlet
Enkey's is pretty spicy. I think I used it for a while
lofty junco
use that aura and just take the CP auras
hoary copper
I used that for a while but I didnt look to see if it was updated
lofty junco
yeah i use his CP auras for me and some of his buffs
hoary copper
Using Miz's...its....efficient
lofty junco
updated ya wa to prepatch?
undone cedar
ENkeys?
lofty junco
no errors for me
robust light
that one just spammed me with errors in chat
apparently its the "garrote debuff"
thats broken
lofty junco
just delete his garrote and rupture
there is a pandemic code in it that cause errors
dire spoke
it even has SoT
keen inlet
p a n d e m i c
undone cedar
thonking
hoary copper
Use MiZeRok then maybe
Im at work cant get to wago.io
so you'll have to not be a 🥄 and find it
robust light
found it alrdy
green bison
Mizerok WA is really efficient
lofty junco
the best WA' are that ya make to fit ya style^^
hoary copper
Everyone has own styles. Why I just send people to wago.io. Idk what you like, its probably not the same
lofty junco
yeah i just copy pastes was from wago and just take the pieces i want and then put it in my own style^^
green bison
I just wish that WA had a function to scale the entire package other than scaling individual auras within the package
lofty junco
it has
lofty junco
green bison
Thanks.
lofty junco
np
robust light
https://gyazo.com/5735f3991c6de2f79dba638e6c8b7dc3 is this still correct without using mantle/nightstalker? vanish - envenom is onyl worth with mantle/nightstalker right?
wouldnt it be better to vanish - garrote without mantle and using subterfuge
unless that garrote fits into the subterfuge window anyway
lofty junco
icy veins?
robust light
aye
lofty junco
go ravenholdt^^
robust light
yeah i always check both. just wondered why icyveins is contradicting itself
lofty junco
link is at the top
garrote-mut-(mut)-rupture-vendetta-TB...vanish-garrote(with 6 seconds remaining)
prevention for the comming questions^^
vivid bone
weapon dps is best, then agility, then mastery, then vers, then crit, then haste
donno what to tell you
sly timber
but how do i know how to even it out equally
vivid bone
Even?
sly timber
like when do i know when to cap it off
sly timber
i know
vivid bone
just follow instructions
Use the gear that has the best stats
and the highest weapon dps
brazen garden
you want the stats that give bigger numbers
lofty junco
just use Pawn^^
sly timber
but haste is near the bottom and when i have haste enchants and gems its better dps then when I use mastery
although mastery is at the top
dire spoke
install the updates and prepatch maybe
lofty junco
eventualy he have no pawn to use that stat weights
dire spoke
maybe he is level 53 and simulating his toon
sly timber
am i fuck
lofty junco
wait rly?
brazen garden
are you using simc and going through raidbots website?
sly timber
Aye
brazen garden
can you share the report
lofty junco
and then use the pawn string ingame with pawn?
sly timber
2 secs ill do it again
dire spoke
maybe just really shitty gear
sly timber
probs
dire spoke
or too much haste
dire spoke
lol
lofty junco
looked like 210 or something#
sly timber
aye
lofty junco
t21 pieces?
wise frigate
I'd say just link us the stat weight sim and the comparison between gems/enchants.
lofty junco
yeah IIRC then with t21 haste is op
brazen garden
talents too
sly timber
ahh i see
lofty junco
wtf why is now crit better then agi xD
sly timber
I understand
vestal wren
ye and back to bin if you go into aoe
solid nova
lofty junco
did ya know the worst?
exotic glen
gotta get that max stack bolster
lunar agate
are weapons dropping from Darkshore just for alts or they can be better cause of stats?
lofty junco
237 rogue sim 1k better then my 250 enhancer xD
lunar agate
in other words
dire spoke
than
lunar agate
is it worth doing Darkshore WQ on a high ilvl character
unkempt gulch
if u want the ugly transmogs
lofty junco
ya would need 2x 250 TF weapons for that
dire spoke
nice questions
lunar agate
they are boost weapons if I'm not wrong
keen inlet
they take less than 0 seconds to complete
lunar agate
models*
lunar agate
I have a lot of alts to do them on so it's more of a time saving mattter
keen inlet
it's not like you had anything better to do. I saw you in goldshire
also this is #assassination
get outta here with off-topic
lunar agate
ye sry
keen inlet
or I'll crush your avatar even more
unkempt gulch
😱
lunar agate
don't crash him he suffered a lot already
lunar agate
they can TF yes
not a high chance
still
they have haste on them
so that's something you'd want
dire spoke
no
hoary copper
A few people have gotten 240 weapons and replaced theirs with WQ. Sad when you have something so legendary (see what I did there) in lore and replace it with a WQ item
lunar agate
it's just that pawn shows them as a HUGE upgrade. But it's gotta be something with artifacts being two weapons simultaneously
it's not sad tho bruen
I mean you knew what you were doing sucking that demon energy
now you have artifact herpes
or smth
dire spoke
legendaries have been replaced since vanilla 🤷🏻
lunar agate
that too
royal lantern
the legendary thunderfury,gets replaced by a TBC green quest item
that shit happens all the time
lunar agate
oof
hoary copper
Eh some of the items have a bigger part in lore than the past
royal lantern
beside the assasination weapons rogue didnt really got important lore weapons
hoary copper
Not so much sin, but like doomhammer
lunar agate
now that's unpleasant
royal lantern
respawn->vanish-> wait until full hp and gank the belf scum
keen inlet
You broke your weapon to save Azeroth. So it's not that big a deal to replace it.
Off-topic, btw
#assassination chat here
night echo
My sephuz procced on garothi on the last 3%. Can someone tell me what could even trigger it?
exotic glen
no way it did by normal means
royal lantern
nah, russian gank squads are free honor
you can get kills by using envenom and wait until creeping venom kills them cus they always jump around lol
lunar agate
ye lol
Nah I'm russian myself
So I am used to that
the thing is if I get to envenom at all
cause there are a lot of stuns
tender folio
Replacing our Artifact weapons with Daggers of the Monkey since you know Blizz 😃
strange python
what do you guys take for m+ this week? CT fine or is hidden blades any good?
tender folio
Im still rolling with Toxic Bomb , not fan of either of those talents
lunar agate
CT has a good reputation
strange python
yeah im playing ct every dungeon right now
just wondering if someone tried cloak hb for m+
lunar agate
Fuck
strange python
doing 23-26 ish range dungeons right now
hoary copper
Cloak is additive not multiplicative now, so it might not be best but might be ok with sephuz. Can always sim
strange python
im familar with cloak nerfs just wanted some feelycraft of people 😄
reef mulch
t21 worth or do i just get higher ilvl?
dire spoke
my feelycraft says worth but you need to simulate that
reef mulch
thanks @dire spoke ill go check raidbots 😃
hoary copper
T21 4p is pretty good
reef mulch
oh snap, breaking 4p t21 for higher ilvl is simming 300dps less
silk sundial
If you're using raid bots did you click the option to include 4p tier effects in your sim?
reef mulch
oh bugger probably not, under which option do i find that?
scarlet hawk
What's the argument behind simming "Bleed vs Poison" ? The only difference now is what you're running in tier 90 talent. So why are we still distinguishing these talent choices?
dire spoke
you usually pick the talents that fit your gear or vice versa
I rather have three choices than one
scarlet hawk
Yes but isn't that sorta the point with Hero Damage? You have tons of sims with talent and gear combo's to choose from. Right now it's just a toggle switch between toxic blade and exsang.
Havn't looked into what the stats look like for exsang, but I'd imagine they aren't that different from toxic blade.
hoary copper
There is no real bleed or poison builds, but they prob havent updated with prepatch. Exsang isnt as great these days
scarlet hawk
That's my point
scarlet hawk
Well... It's just useless to distinguish between the two IMO.
But w/e, useless discussion anyway 😃
dire spoke
it's 👏🏻 just 👏🏻 naming 👏🏻
scarlet hawk
lul
naive cypress
So you are saying sims for separate talents should be on the same page? Seems messy tbh
solid nova
Belt sims are by default de-selected (Hence the missing numbers) due to its inaccuracy.
scarlet hawk
I'm not talking about the belt 😛 I'm just wondoring about @naive cypress's comment 😃
naive cypress
Let me correct my self. Talents that have a huge impact on how you stat your gear.
hoary copper
How is having both talents on same page any different than selecting AOE vs ST at the top?
dire spoke
there was a build called dark sub because of Dark Shadow, do you want to brag about that too?
scarlet hawk
Yea, while we're at it, let's take that discussion too
lol.
W/E, forget I even brought it up.
unreal bolt
If i play CT in m+, do i use it on a pure single target Boss Fight or just Rupture + Envenom?
weak isle
dont forget garrote 😄
opaque tree
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4J9LhMhXqraydc5esMcFCR
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pcKWrDWvNB3y6DeaS87dsQ
does it really matter which one I use, they are very close right now?
one is Sephuz other is Insig
opaque tree
i mean in raids i can't really proc it on like 90% of the fights, lol
mythics i guess i'd be using sephuz
exotic glen
this is pretty much what i was referring to
strange python
Do any of you got Frangance weakaura and elvui setup?
quartz depot
frag does
empty elbow
@strange python your chance of getting that is slim to none
theres a reason they are locked behind sub
spend the 5 and get it yourself
zealous lily
i want to make sure i'm doing something right
if I refresh rupture with 5cp it seems like the optimal time to do that is 7.92 seconds
if I refresh with 4 cp should be 6.6
does the previous number of CP used to rupture determine the right time or is it just like what I just wrote?
a third of the duration applied
.3320 or .3324
oops it applied formatting
dire spoke
the answer is no
empty elbow
dire spoke
dude it's percent
zealous lily
so it's 30% and not a third
ok thank you. so best time to refresh is 30% of the duration you're applying
so when I have 5 cp best time to apply is 7.2 remaining and when I have 4 cp it's 6.0.
broken kettle
exotic glen
thats racist
lone junco
Lol. I'm dumpstering my guild raid as sin. Good times indeed.
quartz depot
that's kinda rude
lone junco
Thx mom.
dire spoke
what
polar grail
@lone junco I was only beat by a pally abusing the trinket, glad they shut his ass down
fallow estuary
Soloing M Dungeons for quests i still have to do - most fun i've had in a long time tbh
And its acutally hard since feint CD
(atleast some bosses=
VotW inquisitor was a bitch.
jaunty silo
what's an average sim looking like for ass?
trail hound
what in tarnation
exotic glen
@gusty kestrel
wise frigate
Lets see who wakes up first.
dire spoke
@jaunty silo 6k
fallow estuary
@jaunty silo around 6
thin gate
sorry!
jaunty silo
oh jesus i'm far behind, ok cool thanks
exotic glen
i meant all the channels, not just here
dire spoke
@thin gate your guild is not that important
exotic glen
yeah but not us
amber sleet
trail hound
During opener(with shoulders), do you guys use garrote or envenom after first vanish? Idk how I feel about delaying Vanish just to reapply garrote since it throws off the timing of vendetta + vanish CD sync
fallow estuary
ofcourse its everything to us
Acutally we should sticky it
You playing sub or ns Krews?
strange python
garrote within 3 seconds of vanish
fallow estuary
I'm confused
strange python
he means delaying vanish for the last 6 seconds of the first garrote..
trail hound
Yes
wise frigate
To not overlap empowerments.
trail hound
correct
strange python
even with shoulders, the apl still waits for garrote
but yeah the logs are full of people vanishing too early
with shoulders
fallow estuary
TIL : apperently i vanish to early
dire spoke
first of all it's prepatch and not important + it provides higher output since ever, end of story
fallow estuary
i vanish after the first mantle window is gone
wise frigate
Nah but it's still a DPS loss to vanish early.
fallow estuary
Its prepatch and not important is a dumb statement to do in a sin only discussion channel talking about the current sin rotation
trail hound
Yeah I was just curious to hear what other rogues in here are doing
fallow estuary
If its not important for you thats fine :) But don't believe that everyone treats stuff just like you tbh
sour orbit
So I have a question how big is haste over mastery now just started playing my sin rogue again