Thank you
#assassination
vagrant cliff
grizzled pasture
hey quick question, with T21 tier set, is it better to try to keep 100% uptime on the posion crit buff or is it still better to envenom with 4-5 cp?
onyx rock
4-5 cp @grizzled pasture
grizzled pasture
thanks
strange python
-1 CP or 4CP envenom
lone junco
@strange python 4 or 5cp. I do 4,5, or 6 with DS.
lone junco
yes. 4cp is fine for env or rupture.
strange python
aight
lone junco
Ill save you the calculus and stop there.
onyx rock
Head with crit/mastery @dense rivet
But it depends... when you have a 790 Neck and a 900 Head than it will be the Neck i guess
dense rivet
ok thx
civic palm
O _O
onyx rock
?
exotic glen
reikor 😡
civic palm
lol
exotic glen
No.
exotic glen
dont think i have forgotten
civic palm
lol
dense rivet
lol
exotic glen
lol
dense rivet
lone junco
@calm grail whaddup
keen remnant
uneven lantern
quick question
if i use dreadlords in m+
do i only fan of knives on 30 stacks?
or do i just spam it like usual
supple hearth
@uneven lantern no you don't use it as assassination in m+
supple hearth
It's better for sub
uneven lantern
so bracers and mantle is still go to?
supple hearth
Yes
supple hearth
You can use it for like....the first opener type of thing. And then swap.
quick ice
usually yeah
north basin
hows so? if tanks have no clue how to play with sub. assa do better in pug m+
fiery nest
What
hexed citrus
@supple hearth and then swap?!
lucid sierra
Playing assassination on a new alt. only have three leggos . zoldyck, insignia and sephuz. which of the two latter would be the best? didnt see either mentioned on ravenholdt
lucid sierra
what i thought as well. jusst wanted an experts opinion XD. ty mate
vestal wren
so 🎙 how does it feel to play the lowest apm spec in the game?
marble hemlock
i always enjoyed being able to chat while progressing
and writing essays without losing DPS
fathom echo
can anyone help me with a Q? if i dont have bis leggos do i change my opener from the recommended one
ionic bear
if you arent weaving in rp shittalk to the enemy inbetween ur rotation ur not maxing ur apm enough
vernal adder
18 naked cowboys in the showers at ram ranch
dire spoke
manic vigil
drifting cloud
people pretending t hey dont know the ram ranch song 
vernal adder
manic vigil
I have no idea what you kids are up to most of the time
But this is really nice sin talk
thorny heart
I'm doing more than 200k dps less on Varimathras than on Garothi.. Anyone who has experienced similar issues?
Heroic btw
exotic glen
press buttons more
exotic glen
what the fuck do you want man
cinder yoke
check your poison bomb breakdown, and crit rating
exotic glen
post your logs if you want actual help
cinder yoke
assuming you're doing everything correctly
you can easily swing 200k or more
from PB
because gudspec
thorny heart
I was asking if it's a general thing or just rng/failing rotation you dumb fuck
vernal adder
sim yourself, check the pins, masturbate, ping all despots
thorny heart
Like can you shut up with your dumb smart retard comments
vernal adder
no
thorny heart
@exotic glen
manic vigil
vernal adder
@solid nova
manic vigil
We need an adult
vernal adder
@keen inlet
exotic glen
@gusty kestrel
thorny heart
Argonic is just a retarded child
drifting cloud
vernal adder
@dire spoke
vernal adder
@jovial kite
manic vigil
drifting cloud
actually its heroic feelycraft
vernal adder
@warm parcel
drifting cloud
no logs actually posted
thorny heart
No logs needed to be posted
exotic glen
muh feelings
manic vigil
thorny heart
When the question was: Is this a general issue for anyone?
drifting cloud
@vernal adder pinging a mage main
manic vigil
dire spoke
exotic glen
heroic
manic vigil
I love this guy
drifting cloud
vernal adder
nobody gives a flying giving fuck
drifting cloud
IM BETTER THAN YOU
manic vigil
He meant as a human being duh
thorny heart
Oh so because i'm new to the expansion i can't perform better for my item level? XD
manic vigil
While he was yelling insults
vernal adder
Ryler is noob loool 
manic vigil
manic vigil
vernal adder
why are you 962, ilvl is all that matters
dire spoke
@thorny heart you were giving us literally 0 information about your toon or what you're doing - if you expect feelycraft or glass orb magic go to caster discords, maybe they can tell you based on nothing what you're doing wrong
vernal adder
no
exotic glen
no, please just fucking leave you idiot
thorny heart
If it was a general thing
manic vigil
dire spoke
the answer is no
thorny heart
I didn't need anyone to look at a specific encounter for me or any of my logs
exotic glen
@supple hearth im being abused
vernal adder
exotic glen
help
thorny heart
If i wanted that, i would have posted it
drifting cloud
lmao
thorny heart
Yes i got that answer, so idk why people are being stupid fucks
exotic glen
A B U S E
dire spoke
@thorny heart you know the answer is no because it makes no sense
supple hearth
@thorny heart be nice
exotic glen
"BE NICE"?
lone junco
@thorny heart you are now unwelcome.
drifting cloud
be nice
vernal adder
lmao
drifting cloud
classic na mod
exotic glen
LOL
thorny heart
Maybe there are some mechanics i didn't know about?
exotic glen
and retards
drifting cloud
i get banned
supple hearth
.> let me read the convo first lol
swift pine
whats up guys
thorny heart
Because 10 players started being smartasses
manic vigil
I'm still laughing tbh
thorny heart
How fucking annoying is that? When i'm asking a question?
vernal adder
found a blue lobster yet rare?
dire spoke
@thorny heart you have been told to check the pins and read up what you might not know
swift pine
not yet:(
supple hearth
!warn @thorny heart please reread our rules in #announcements
chrome tuskBOT
Alright, @thorny heart has been warned because 'please reread our rules in #announcements'.
lone junco
vernal adder
wow feels bad
manic vigil
cinder yoke
that escalated quickly
exotic glen
well
cinder yoke
said the whole pb/crit part, went to grab a drink
exotic glen
ask stupid questions, get stupid answers
vernal adder
im gonna get more scotch, prepate
manic vigil
That was awesome 
let's do it again
vernal adder
prepare
thorny heart
Cause you gave me an actual answer Grimsworth
While 3 players were being smartasses while dickriding each other
supple hearth
!mute @thorny heart
dire spoke
read the pins is an answer
exotic glen
pogchamp
manic vigil
Awwww
dire spoke
- fin
exotic glen
ping all despots lmao
sudden brook
what kinda answer did he expect with no info given
drifting cloud
whats a despot tho
manic vigil
drifting cloud
who do I ping I need an example
lone junco
anyway., 200k down on varith seems bad tbh.
supple hearth
calm down everyone. he's gone. Also you guys can't expect me to come in and auto mute someone who is new without giving me literally more than two seconds to read whats going on lol
manic vigil
I was there. We should sell t-shirts
dire spoke
@supple hearth 
exotic glen
i mean if he had any common sense at all
lone junco
exotic glen
just look at the parse difference in the logs
and see if its a trend
warcraftlogs literally tells him the answer
drifting cloud
spoiler: its not
cinder yoke
hostile spec environment
exotic glen
if anything, you do more dps on varimathras
cinder yoke
i need you all to take mandatory sensitivity classes
vernal adder
wow in 2018 before august 23 
drifting cloud
august 14th my man
exotic glen
ramlu pls
warm parcel
200k is easily within variance when youre looking at a single pull
manic vigil
A shame we have so many snitches here. The fun that could have been had 
swift pine
!tempmute @exotic glen 30m good boy
chrome tuskBOT
Argonic#8543 (182183491998318593) is muted for 30 minutes because of 'good boy', boss.
vernal adder
aight
manic vigil
Should mute tisumi as well. Told you to stop playing poe which is blasphemy
swift pine
I saw the convo he was just asking a question and it escalated between those two for no reason
vernal adder
I triggered a OW player today, Im in a good spirits
drifting cloud
yourself?
vernal adder
nah I killed him 6 times in a row with tracer
manic vigil
dire spoke
that was a bit banjo but well
vernal adder
oh this is ass
hybrid quarry
Is that marved guy ok? He seems like he hopped out on the wrong side of the bed
vernal adder
that was @swift pine *s alt acc
exotic glen
thx rare ❤
vernal adder
Im never serious here, almost
steep obsidian
exotic glen
it was certainly interesting though
steep obsidian
not really
vernal adder
I enjoyed it
vernal adder
u mad?
vernal adder
lone junco
cooking moms is fitting for father's day
steep obsidian
same
shrewd night
What the shit just happened here
vernal adder
Frick you jigglekush 
supple hearth
IDK who jigglekush is but plz donut bully
hybrid quarry
But it's our special giffle
I wants donuts in my belly
Fuck you giffle
I hope you take responsiblity for your actions and get me a donut now
solid nova
Weekend pings
jovial kite
civic palm
Ya'll weird.
acoustic flame
Shoulders, insignia in my case 😢
exotic glen
rip you
exotic glen
what do you not have?
acoustic flame
boots, bracers, head
i was missing boots,bracers,head,shoulders just before that btw
exotic glen
i would play cloak if i were you then
playing insignia is like playing without a legendary because you press fok most of the time
acoustic flame
yeah true, but I realised I can't do that anyway though
don't have replacement for 4 set
exotic glen
god
play like
kjbw man or something
if you wanna switch to insignia for bosses thats cool
acoustic flame
what about soul ring, or useless
exotic glen
i actually dont know about that
i'd say just test it out and see what you like then
they should probably be equal in power
acoustic flame
i'm actually simming kjbw right now
I think I might actually sim higher on st with it lol
maybe not though
i gain a lot of agi and ilvl because my trinkets are garbage though
acoustic flame
yeah but if it's better on st, i'd use all the time
exotic glen
i doubt it will beat insignia on st
unless your rings are that much better than trinkets
acoustic flame
it did
exotic glen
poggers
acoustic flame
or it's basically the same
but yeah
my trinket is 915
my ring is 960
gained 3 ilvls almost
yeah i gain 4k dps
acoustic flame
Yes.
dire spoke
rare cradle
hello , so im really thinking about playing a Assasination rogue in bfa , how strong is it atm ?
civic palm
3 months too early to care, things are working at least.
strange python
trinekt list ?
calm grail
Yeah but, what's the best BFA specc atm? Also, when do I use TB?
spare cloud
dont know without sims
supple hearth
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
calm grail
So it's BM.
strange python
someone Weakaura for Multi Dots ?
viscid helm
yes wago
prime rapids
can one of you take a look at my logs here for agg and see anything i could do better? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vBxZaQX6zq39m1Ct/#type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1
prime void
Why do you feint so much
prime rapids
idk i do it kind of instinctually if i think i'm gonna get hit by something
i'll try to use it less
ik i need to do better with boss uptime as well
onyx sigil
You spent ~9 Mutilates worth of Feints on your last pull. That's a lot of damage you're giving up. You should only really press it if you're going to die otherwise since it's a DPS loss.
prime rapids
thank you
bitter junco
i only use in fight if they aoe all the time
prime rapids
i'm only playing sin for argus
cinder yoke
does your guild not rez your orb gatherer at all during p3 after their first death?
cinder yoke
yes
and then dying again and gathering orbs
and getting rez'd when the final orbs disappear
prime rapids
can you give a basic tl on when that would be happening?
we sac on the 3rd set of chains i believe
cinder yoke
our gatherer dies after second orb spawns, rez's with us on the tree, dies shortly after that (i think he dps's the orb, then a bit on argus and runs into the apoc pool) and then will call when they next set of orbs disappears
and we rez him then
because after that you can't get enough orbs to get another stack of TG
TF*
is our p3 dps, steve is our orb gatherer
prime rapids
gotcha
cinder yoke
that was also a super sloppy kill
on feints, with 4 healers you should be safe to only need feint when chains stacks are up
for the tortured rages
or if you have some rage/fear stacks
onyx sigil
As far as general Argus tips, you're also 3 tanking with 2 BrMs. It's not hard to 2 tank with 2 BrMs (we even 2 tank with BrM+DK/Pally). 4 healing is also not particularly necessary. Can pick up a lot of DPS by adjusting your comp.
prime rapids
i think we're using 3 tanks just to make soaking orbs easier for the tanks
i'm not entirely sure
cinder yoke
your p3 dps should be higher though, do you have a strat that pushes you out of melee range on a consistent basis?
dire phoenix
Hello i fucked up my WTF file and now i cant find my WA ... someone remembers or know this WA ? i dowloaded it like a year ago plz help
prime rapids
i think that's just me trying to be careful of avoiding scythes
cinder yoke
oh you have an absurd amount of melee
prime rapids
yeah
cinder yoke
so with that much melee, if you guys aren't very good at dealing with rage/fear and scythes, it's going to have a massive impact on your dps
prime rapids
yeah i think you only have like 4 and we have 6 or something
cinder yoke
running out for each, or even just the second scythe, is really rough dps wise with 3 tanks and 4 healers
yea your DH or Enh shaman should be doing orb gathering, instead of your ele shaman
but if you guys are deep into progression that might be a hassle to change
onyx sigil
6 is not bad. You can assign everyone a spot in melee with 6. Beyond that, you will lose uptime.
cinder yoke
yea, the issue comes down to if someone is shit at making space for scythe safe spots during p3
forcing people out of melee/into scythes
prime rapids
i mean we've tried but they just refuse to spread the same way every time
it's really annoying honestly
cinder yoke
for the second set of scythes, which is really the only bad one, you end up usually having 3 safe spots that are in melee range of the boss
but if a rage isn't good at spreading for them, they can end up taking 2 of the 3 safe spots
because you can fit 2 characters per scythe safe spot
having your orb gatherer rez/get rez'd and your melee getting tighter positioning on that second set of scythes should give you enough dps to easily kill it though
onyx sigil
Also, it's not hard to soak Rents with 2 BrM. Their mobility and out of melee mitigation is absurd. Use Skysteps if you need to (that's how we 2 tank and still soak everything with a DK/Pal). If there are extra Rents, you can use your excess of Feints to help soak them.
prime rapids
right
cinder yoke
a tank change with a bunch of 1% wipes and 500+ pulls is unlikely though
prime rapids
i'll bring this stuff up to my rl when i can, but we're like 500 pulls in or something so he may not want to change anything
the orb collector thing we can change though for sure
onyx sigil
But making the change will also easily make up that 1%.
prime rapids
like just having him res with us and such
cinder yoke
something you can do specifically as a rogue, to stay in melee for those second scythes
if you have fear/no debuff, you can just wait until the scythes are about to fire, cloak and stand on a rage
if you have rage, it's ezpz
onyx sigil
Evasion will also buy you uptime. Just make sure you face the scythes.
cinder yoke
the first and third scythes should be a walk in the park
since you don't have to really deal with anything except them at the same time
plus if you get bipped by the third scythes you're only dead for ~10s
being able to rez your orb gatherer requires you to not brez anyone before/in p3 also
aside from your normal tank brez's
but you shouldn't really need to unless someone vital goes down unplanned in p3
and i think you can scam out an extra brez if you have your orb tank switch to argus tanking after your last argus tank dies, instead of getting him up again and leaving the orb tank to roam
onyx sigil
They have a res totem too. Not sure if you factored that in.
prime rapids
yeah i think we've been using it after the 4th orb
onyx sigil
Just combo totem + bark on one of the 5 stack deaths so they don't get overkilled by too much. Free tank res.
prime rapids
thanks for the help
cedar bramble
sorry for that question but gives a skill tree for bfa pre patch ?
i tried to see sticky one but there is nothing
flint folio
what poisons do you sue as sub? i assume deadly and the other damaging one
exotic glen
sub?
flint folio
i mean sin lol
limpid tusk
deadly poison
flint folio
oh shit i thought i had both up lol
flint folio
and leech if youre soloing old raids?
flint folio
and poison is better than bleed right
shrewd pine
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
supple hearth
Depends on your gear but typically poison is "easier" imo than bleed.
Better is going to come down to the player and their gear
sharp viper
bleed has more micromanagement, overall a bit more complicated and definetly requires more practice and knowledge about the fight
chilly sphinx
can someone tell me what i've did wrong at this fight? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bJqBH8Lfg2hDNQ1t#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=220
exotic glen
use vendetta before other cooldowns to boost their damage
in your log you ALWAYS do tb, kb > vendetta
sharp viper
you use mutilate at 4 cp from the looks of it
exotic glen
you use vanish once in 11 ½ minutes
sharp viper
you only vanish once instead of 6 times
chilly sphinx
hm okay, i try to explain it abit, i use tb, kb and vendetta whenever its ready
multilate at 4cps happens sometimes because i dont have a good weakaura..
i should use vanish more?
why that?
exotic glen
yes but when you have all 3 cooldowns ready, you still pressed vendetta as the last button
press it as the first one
you have talented nightstalker. i suggest you go read what it does, and why you have it talented
gusty plinth
Vendetta>tb>kb
gusty plinth
What makes it harder ?
chilly sphinx
i mean now i need to press one more key
exotic glen
what
chilly sphinx
vanish into rupture or evenom is kinda hard in midfight
gusty plinth
What you mean is hard in mid fight..just press your vanish :D
gusty plinth
If you go ns rather vanish into env
chilly sphinx
okay, its actually not hard.. just tested it on a dummy.. i thought it would be annoying with my hotkeys but its smooth.
gusty plinth
Oh well
exotic glen
help
fiery nest
Sin players 😂
exotic glen
can you guys take over
shrewd pine
Thats why bfa specs have 3 buttons
fiery nest
When adding a button to 34 apm is hard😂
exotic glen
lmao
vestal wren
well it has 39 in legion, but its the lowest apm in the game
civic palm
Yeah under a certain APM everything starts to feel similar.
So our potato rolling will be everyone's potato rolling.
vestal wren
well sin does not feel slow on beta
spare cloud
you can just play w/e is needed
vestal wren
compared to live
shrewd pine
As long as we dont have to cast vanish mid fight we are fine
vestal wren
tho i am not a fan of live gameplay too
shrewd pine
vestal wren
well not having mantle means you can use vanish for utility too
civic palm
hurrrrrrrrrr
chilly sphinx
civic palm
That's ripe for a BAN it seems;
exotic glen
shrewd pine
chilly sphinx
vestal wren
reddid at its best.
civic palm
O _O
R1's won't stand out when RNG is removed.
Actually being the best at something...
won't let you stand out.
vestal wren
well hes not entirely wrong
civic palm
Course not, but being partially right isn't fun.
vestal wren
i agree that sin got even simpler
civic palm
The skill ceiling is lower by design, but that doesn't make people better.
civic palm
Agree.
vestal wren
well ironically ppl complain how weak it is tuned now
civic palm
I believe it.
vestal wren
well i feel bfa sin needs something still
civic palm
So the way I have been seeing it;
is that we've the Starter Kits for just about every class at the start of BfA.
Blizzard has made in clear that they do not want to endlessly add skills on top of skills.
We might get another button in BfA.
But they're trying to plan for the coming 2 expansions or so, so we're gonna get a shell that they can build on at some point in time.
vestal wren
well i guess sin is atm not the focus, outlaw/sub need to be fixed first
civic palm
and the Artifact Weapons were just a bunch of shit piled on your class.
and yeah, SIN is "fine" as it is, functions but is lacking ultimate focus.
OTL and SUB need much more work.
vestal wren
not sure
if secret turns out like dfa it might be okay
outlaw still has the main issue due to rtb
civic palm
I do think the most recent changes to the buffs looked strong.
calm grail
Maybe raid Azerite traits will add some secret sauce to make shit feel good.
steep edge
hello guys ! i am a new player in wow etc...i made belf assasination rogue ! and i am wondering which proff should i get ! thx
ah
i was thinking for al/herb but i am trying to see and the others
is any diffrence which one i will pick as first proff and which one as 2d or doesnt matter?
true ingot
You'll want Herbalism/Enchanting for the start of BFA.
To make astronomical sums of money in the first few weeks/months.
Then you can just do whatever when the prices normalise.
true ingot
You can reset them whenever you want.
steep edge
oh thats perfect !
true ingot
Legion's herb/pot prices took a lot longer than a month to normalise.
steep edge
perfect ! !
true ingot
It was only really good for the first days imo. I made a lot of money off selling the blacksmithing bracers for the obliterum questline
That lasted for all of 3 days before mats were just more than you could sell them for.
steep edge
perfect ! ! i am gonna give a try on herb/ench
true ingot
Have fun. Do yourself a favour and mess around on the beta to get a rough idea of herb routes before the expac launches
You'll want to rush to 120 (You'll be done within 8-10 hours of it opening) then bang these out for a couple of hours
toss it on the AH
and make enough to get that brutasaur easy peasy
steep edge
as i said bro i am a newbie ;/ i just got the game today ! haha i am 13 lvl atm : <
true ingot
Oh, right.
steep edge
but i will try to read/watch etc
true ingot
Good luck.
steep edge
thx a lot mate :)))
thx guys ! thx for ur time and for ur help ❤
oh ! i will test it right now 😃
tbh i am not looking any guides etc !
for now
i am coming from lineage 2 (14 years dagger player)i will try to make my "own" build etc
but i will need to read a lot
fiery nest
U can make ur own build or play the one that does the most damage :)
steep edge
yes i agree ! !
i just hope rogues be good in wow ;p
cauze in all rpg(single/online) playing rogue in all my life !
i see ! this is normal ;p
true ingot
Just don't let the Rogue community get you down. We're pretty toxic. :^)
steep edge
hahah ! this is also normal ;p
so ! about race does matter what race u make or?i just made blood elf cauze i liked the style etc !
true ingot
Only some races can make gold from dancing on a mailbox.
^
Just play whatever you like.
true ingot
Which even that won't reaaaalllllly matter too much if they get the cross-realm changes Ion mentioned right.
steep edge
ah i see
oO i am reading the lvl up guid etc and the mate is suggesting subtlety as #1 for lvl up etc
and last one assassination !
i see ! ! its cool
yeaa i am reading this atm !
i am gonna give a try with subtlety rogue 😉 !
supple hearth
Outlaw feels best until you get more abilities since there's more buttons to press with quick draw procs
steep edge
oh ! outlaw using swords or daggers?
i thought i saw a video with a rogue using swords
and i was a bit confused
steep edge
ah ah ! !
btw @true ingot i learned enchanting as first proff ! or i should have learned herba?
true ingot
You can have two so you do you .
exotic glen
you are the sweetest newbie i have ever seen in this channel
makes me all fuzzy inside
steep edge
whyyy?haha
exotic glen
because you seem to appreciate people helping you
instead of getting angry when you get an answer you dont like
steep edge
nono ! ofc i appreciate the ppl cauze i can feel em 😃 i was helping a lot of ppl in lineage 2 official when they were newbies etc ! this is our gaming community 😉 !
exotic glen
omg stop, you're making my cold heart all warm
steep edge
hahaha
i will never go to silvermoon again ! i am lost in the town haha
oki ! i learned ench/herba !
@subtle kiln i think atm i am not able to enchant/herb anything right?
perfect ! : )
silvermoon is the main town on blood elfs?cauze i cant see a lot of ppl etc !
exotic glen
@subtle kiln and not just help with their problems, but also a nice interaction with people in the server
funny how you actually want to talk to them again instead of having to ping mods because they threw every insult ever at you
steep edge
i like ur photo @exotic glen ^_^
exotic glen
no sadly
steep edge
damn ! i have 3 !!!!!
exotic glen
so i make myself happy by looking at other peoples dogs
omg
you have to post pictures one day
steep edge
i will tommorow 😉 ! !
lost coral
acoustic flame
Can you safely proc concordance as assa before boss pull?
acoustic flame
was thinking more like poisoned knife
or does it move too fast/ drop you out of stealth
exotic glen
you want to throw poisoned knife at the boss then shadowstep to it?
acoustic flame
Some specs have slow moving projectiles that they use like 1-2s before fight begins to get conc proc
for much stronger opener
I believe sub does that
and ww monk
exotic glen
ask about that in sub channel, because that sounds ridiculous
but no, dont do it since it will proc your nightstalker
giving you a dps decrease
also what the hell would monk throw?
they dont have any projectiles
acoustic flame
chi wave or something like that
civic palm
a punch... :3
acoustic flame
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aCvXcgFnm8K9LqPZ#fight=1&type=casts&source=3 you can see it here for the example
chi wave hits at 0 even though he never casted it
and he has concordance from before the combat starts
exotic glen
idk about sub, but as assa it will proc your nightstalker leading to worse dps
sub nightstalker is different tho
exotic glen
think its the same speed as shuriken toss
that name
on 3 targets
3
im meming
idk
i am right now
this one kb did 9.91 + 2.99
11.43 then
11.0m
i guess you are
stop this
inb4 you cheated
by using tb late
polar cape
is there a macro for that PK trick thing?
exotic glen
Its not a trick, dont use it
hazy iron
@gusty kestrel alacritywhat's your crit at?
With ravenholdt? Im keen to have a play with an alacrity build
Ep and subterfuge?
And just work on maximising envenom and EP uptime? O:
Awesome thanks
No worries, will do.
daring imp
ay
hazy iron
Lmao
strange python
Rip my crit is at 21% and my mastery is at 202%
gray tendon
havent dropped by and said whats crackin to yall in a while
so whats craackin fellow rogues
supple hearth
gray tendon
touche
prime void
Should just make every channel off topic content allowed
Questions would still get answered
viscid helm
How about u just merge it all into 1
prisma carbon
Yikes
acoustic flame
should i delay kingsbane if i have shoulders and have vendetta coming up with vanish and toxic blade ready for much higher burst?
viscid helm
To complicated question
autumn bloom
Don't delay kingsbane for more than 10 seconds is the rule in the guide
acoustic flame
where does it say that?
shrewd night
I wouldnt delay kingsbane for shoulder burst. 3CP > TB > Vanish > Env cycle
Would likely be the most optimal
If you want to be scumbag you can pop kingsbane ahead of vanish so the last nine seconds happens within shoulder window
But thats alot of prep
acoustic flame
oh yeah i was going to ask aswell, do you delay vanish for vendeta at all?
or just use it with tb
shrewd night
With shoulders I think the consensus is to delay vendetta for vanish
But I wouldnt know 100% as I dont play shoulders
acoustic flame
I see. But yeah I am playing with shoulders
cinder yoke
it depends on if you'll get another vendetta/vanish before the end of the fight for the delays
if you're only going to get one of each before the end, it's worth delaying whatever you need to
solid nova
@acoustic flame Always delay vanish for vendetta unless for some reason you wont have them both off CD before the end of a fight.
acoustic flame
Ok, I was already doing that but wasn't sure if it was the norm or not
arctic venture
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hoary copper
Consensus is delay vanish for vendetta but not vice versa
tardy spruce
Am I right in assuming you build CP, pop vendetta then vanish and do the normal vanish rotation?
solid nova
Read the guide
Rotations are there
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
tardy spruce
The guide doesn't seem to say anything about holding vanish for vendetta?
gray saddle
are the leggo boots a good option if I dont have bracer? use that over class ring on ST?
I have mantle
solid nova
What does your sim comparison tell you?
solid nova
PM me your toon/server and ill do it
gray saddle
Gibrogue - Icecrown
solid nova
US?
dry thicket
yo guys, i'm playing my undergeared rogue for mythic argus, first time assa this expac. my ilvl sucks but i'd still like to get a bit more dps out of it. would someone check my logs for mistakes / tips?
hoary copper
Who reads guides?! Just press buttons
dry thicket
true
i've watched the infexious video guide and the spec feels pretty basic
dunno if i make some mistakes tho with cd order or sth like that
hoary copper
Can only look so much on mobile, havent opened it but guessing opener will be wrong
dry thicket
^^
hoary copper
no the logs
dry thicket
yh german
exotic glen
dont phones have translate like browsers
hoary copper
you would think but warcraftlogs hasnt figured out how to mobile
gusty plinth
Ye they have
hoary copper
Not well
gusty plinth
Ofc not
hoary copper
wish work wouldnt block these things
dry thicket
😄
hoary copper
The opener is off. Should be Garrote -> Mut -> Rupture -> Vendetta -> TB - KB - Mut (if not at 4 cp) -> Vanish -> Envenom > Mut > Envenom
hoary copper
Not what I showed it was something different
dry thicket
yeah thats what i thought, maybe i messed it up on a pull
hoary copper
Maybe its mobile, reloading it
dry thicket
but other than opener, cd usage and energy management looks fine?
hoary copper
havent gotten that far
exotic glen
is dying 4 times part of your strat
dry thicket
i was aiming for 5
exotic glen
it was a serious question
exotic glen
because a lot of you die at the same times
dry thicket
ah
exotic glen
so yes / no?
hoary copper
Feint feint feint?
fervent beacon
Why dps when you can feint and stay alive
dry thicket
should i use pants? since keeping vanish cd up could be good for breaking chains too?
dry thicket
ok
hoary copper
boots and helm can also work too
exotic glen
when comparing your casts to mine, you have significantly less of everything
dry thicket
i got helm, but no boots yet
exotic glen
see the difference
i have 14 more casts of envenom
same timeframe
3 more TBs, 2 more KBs, 1 more vanish
hoary copper
Maybe its fight knowledge? knowing when things are coming to prepare? just a thought
dry thicket
i see, hm
exotic glen
pressing your buttons when they are ready is not fight knowledge
dry thicket
the guild is at 400 pulls, i just started helping them out cus they lack members a few weeks ago
first on windwalker, now i played one id as rogue so yeah, that could be a part of it
do you use cds on orbs btw?
exotic glen
when im a greedy bastard, i dont
you should probably help your raid out as much as possible though, so do focus it
depending on your raid, you may or may not need to pop cds on it
dry thicket
sometimes all cds are up and the orb lives like 13 seconds
then im not sure, should i pop all cds, some cds or none
exotic glen
i think thats a bit too long but tbh i dont know how long ours live
dry thicket
i think they were getting just as big as they could without taking up too much space
exotic glen
anytime dude
drifting cloud
personally I wouldnt use anything else than tb on orbs
rogue cds are so awful for them if dps is lacking should be other people pciking it up
unless youre right before tree rez and for some reason 6 dps is dead
drifting cloud
eh I dunno if orb dps is lacking
then boss dps is lacking for sure or what
orbs dieing fast enough shouldnt be a problem
unless everyone stops on them at 40% and run away
fiery nest
Top of this discord
carmine edge
ty
hoary copper
!singuide
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hoary copper
If Only we had pins and a link at the top to it
lone junco
@carmine edge Matches ilvl? meaning like other people in warcraft logs, or are you comparing vs your raidbots sim estimate?
carmine edge
i mean
for almost 900 ilvl
i can't reach 500K
not even close to 400
something is wrong
😕
hoary copper
Probably your gear
no leggos
etc
Haste is (currently on live) bad. Crit and mastery are good, verse isnt a bad stat
lone junco
@carmine edge really need to compare your damage vs the theoretical output of your gear.
Read the guide
after that, post a log if you want better guidance.
hallow beacon
I know the priority is Mastery>= Crit>Agility>Versatility>> Haste but is there a recommended percentage for each of these to aim for?
devout temple
lone junco
@hallow beacon
import your info from armory and run a patchwerk 5min. If you need help with that, say so.
quick anchor
Hello Gents/Ladies, Quick question. I am just trying sin for the first time ever and was wondering if it is ok to be using my finishers at 3 and 4 CP to keep them up
void pecan
4+, also read the guide in the pins for more information.
civic palm
I needed the eyes for BM.
timid anvil
@quick anchor 3 combo is okay to maintain Surge of Toxins while Kingsbane is active.
spare cloud
Sometimes using 1cp ruipture is worth it
but thats niche cases
don't focus on them
4cp+
subtle lodge
Are you suppose to spam envenom or just pool energy and use envenom again when the buff is about to run out
glossy ocean
Anyone has a deadly poison / wound poisons macro that you spam and equips both poisons?
exotic glen
You cant equip both so
viscid helm
Crippling depressions
glossy ocean
good luck with that
solid nova
Not sure why you'd want a macro anyway with their durations but a simple /cast macro will work
glossy ocean
because i dont wanna click, but thanks I realised thats how I used to do it aswell ^^
solid nova
You could always just move the poisons to a keybind 🤷
glossy ocean
would rather just have one button
solid nova
Well you're not always going to want to use Crippling but your choice
glossy ocean
i'll manage
spare cloud
@exotic glen for a second I thought hello there was you
and you changed your profile pic back
spare cloud
cats > dogs
exotic glen
Cats = dogs
spare cloud
catdog
timber sage
Ye, no!
marble hemlock
hmmm
prepatch assa with t21 still around might actually be pretty neat for m+ still
marble hemlock
i mean
gotta spend the time somehow
and since im not raiding anymore
were thinking right now which specs will get hurt the most/least with the prepatch for m+
so we can keep spamming keys
shrewd night
I got a lady in the apartment that keeps meowing for attention. I got my plans sorted.
marble hemlock
is it a human lady?
marble hemlock
aww :3
but cat isnt enough to fill the void m+ will leave behind once the prepatch hits 😦
shrewd pine
should be fine finding new ways to break it tho, for a month
arctic venture
where the argus trinket is usefull ?
exotic glen
you what
placid geyser
Hi, on which relics you focus on ? Still 3 MA(ssasin) meta going on ? ^^
hoary copper
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rare cradle
got a question is wrong to use mutilate if i have 4 cp ?
fervent beacon
You don't mut after 4+
fleet whale
Not that it will matter much in a few weeks, but I just made it to 970 ilvl today and I have 43% unbuffed crit now 😄
I guess I could possibly use a different build right now if I wanted too, especially since I have three Balanced blades traits lol
might not be the most ideal in terms of overall damage but it's really nice having 4 combo point mutilates all the time
lone junco
With high crit. It will def be an upgrade to go EP.
daring imp
coming back to wow today, pls tell me like 10 addons to download while wow is being installed, i should've saved my wtf folder ...
lean hill
My bleed set is only 20k under my poison set, but I dont want to learn how to play bleed
fleet whale
bleed isn't that hard to play though
lean hill
Bfa is so close though
Its more than 0 effort to learn bleed now, cant be bothered lol
All the vers instead of mastery finally caught up
fleet whale
yeah true lol
I"m just staying MP with all that crit I have I just think it's fun to play assassin with really high crit
lean hill
Oh it felt so good to get 4 point mutilates over and over
cold rampart
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daring imp
thx @wheat zealot
pulsar pewter
my dudes, I just picked up The Dreadlord's Deceit and I'm having trouble fitting FoK in during the 5s shoulder crit buff
depending on my latency I can cast it immediately after Kingsbane
are you guys experiencing the same? it's wildly inconsistent for me
50-70ms atm....
GCDs are so annoying
if I can jam it in to the crit buff window, it hits for a jaw dropping 5m.....
ST
ancient sonnet
wouldnt using NS and using it right after the vanish be op?
surely a high stack FoK would hit harder than that env?
pulsar pewter
oh shit I think you're onto smth
ancient sonnet
wasted cp tho
drifting cloud
the cloak is awful for assa
pulsar pewter
you mean cast FoK > Envenom?
ancient sonnet
bit aids
pulsar pewter
yeah but Ryler my alternative is Kil'jaeden's meme
xd
I'm not going back to that
cries
ancient sonnet
i dunno, maybe squeezing in the env before the vanish, then vanish into FoK would do more dps?
requires you to test it tho
pulsar pewter
yeah good idea
ancient sonnet
thats something ive never had to try and do
pulsar pewter
I'm a relatively fresh 110
ilvl 950, only 4 legendary drops
lucky to get shoulders to begin with
solid nova
Envenom before your vanish window will be a dps loss
Cloak is simming above kjbw for st?
ancient sonnet
over a full stack FoK?
see ive never had to wonder if fok would do more damage than env
dont even have cloak
solid nova
What's the dps difference in your sim between the two?
pulsar pewter
ancient sonnet
then it probs is a dps loss to fok instead of env
pulsar pewter
ancient sonnet
JK
btw were both tooltips in stealth with NS?
or both with Subt
cause the NS damage does apply to tooltips
pulsar pewter
oh shit I wasn't in stealth I'll redo them
solid nova
Have you done the sim comparison yet