the audience says b
#assassination
exotic glen
dense rivet
if you speak for this macro
/cast vanish
/cast rupture
you cannot cause because it launches rupture but not vanish ( we think )
if its sequencial it can work
its my question by the way xD
shrewd night
But why would you macro it
dire spoke
because one hand gesture is much faster, duh
dense rivet
"why you want a macro for this?" is an answer ?
shrewd night
Yes. Are you realisticly wanting three different vanish macros?
exotic glen
@shrewd night you joining for poe on friday
dense rivet
why do not you tell me that it just does not exist, that we did tests and that it does not work
exotic glen
because other people are competent enough to press 2 buttons in a sequence
shrewd night
Yeah, I wouldnt trust argonic either, he is a filthy poe player
exotic glen
im only lvl 3
dense rivet
but i speak for argonic and other people
dire spoke
I don't help alliance
strange python
incursion hype
exotic glen
i dont like you either reikor
dense rivet
they just troll me all the time i think
exotic glen
the feeling is mutual
dense rivet
good
exotic glen
@shrewd night POE ON FRIDAY`?
dense rivet
ive my life, you too
strange python
why did bestiary have to be such a hot mess
dense rivet
thanks Sauna Lifeguard
exotic glen
apparently everyone is in a conspiracy to troll just him
shrewd night
@exotic glen Its a uuuuh.. Nah.
dense rivet
i'm gonna do normaly ๐
dire spoke
dense rivet
do it
shrewd night
Can we pin this thank you post?
dense rivet
^^
shrewd night
Im a contributing member of RH
exotic glen
only took way too long
dire spoke
dense rivet
xD
shrewd night
TLDR:
Reikor - Can I do this macro?
Argonic - no
Reikor - I dont believe you
Sauna - no
Reikor - ok, I believe u
dense rivet
fuck
exotic glen
yours was better
dense rivet
that's it !
dire spoke
I tried to encourage self-investigation
dense rivet
hi, i seek for a macro like that : cast vanish then rupture, but i think vanish doesnt have the time to active (sorry bad english)
Noobe [feelsdadman] - Aujourd'hui ร 00:46
use your fingers
Vanish then press 6
or 5
or R
whatever your rupture button is
Flowi - Aujourd'hui ร 00:47
what if he clicks
monkaMega1
Reikor - Aujourd'hui ร 00:47
lol i see that on the forum
see that to arms warrior for exemple
say
lol
Zempai - Aujourd'hui ร 00:48
I don't help alliance
cmonBruh1
Reikor - Aujourd'hui ร 00:48
glad
unimatrix - Aujourd'hui ร 00:48
rude
Reikor - Aujourd'hui ร 00:49
so i dont find on the net, so i think here its the same thing, with troll ๐
need to do a lazy macro so ๐ข
dire spoke
but that's trolling obviously
dense rivet
I think that's gone like this
dire spoke
you can fly on my lap
mossy hazel
You should walk so yo uhave more time to think about it
onyx sigil
Report back with your insight, please.
dire spoke
wow
shrewd night
Do the lap the other way around
dire spoke
or upside down
dense rivet
hi, i seek for a macro like that : cast vanish then rupture, but i think vanish doesnt have the time to active (sorry bad english)
use your fingers
Vanish then press 6
or 5
or R
whatever your rupture button is
what if he clicks
๐
dire spoke
clicking is not a troll
manic vigil
life is not a pokemon game, just stahp 
dire spoke
manic vigil
dense rivet
it's just proof that I have not received a real answer
shrewd night
dense rivet
mossy hazel
Can't yo ujust... You know... Try it?
shrewd night
Test it.
dire spoke
Why would you assume getting an instant answer in a community of 16k people
dense rivet
but i believe you its ok
mossy hazel
I feel like that would have been faster at this point
shrewd night
Is it Alt+F4?
manic vigil
dire spoke
LOOK MOM NO HANDS
onyx sigil
Action bar paging. Ew.
dense rivet
wow
dire spoke
it's stance bar 
dense rivet
no
mossy hazel
You don't utilize your stance bar??
onyx sigil
[form] macros are better. No paging time.
dense rivet
hey
dire spoke
tisu so bored rn
mossy hazel
I mean I 'm literally sittinmg here bouncing between stealth and out and there's 0 lag time between my stealth bar and my main bar
dense rivet
nothing, ive got my answer
dire spoke
mossy hazel
But I also have bartender, so I don't know if that makes it faster
shrewd night
But uh
dense rivet
you just think you're better so I'm having a good time
safe matrix
why would you ever put vanish anywhere near your nonstealth bar
put it on a permanent bar
dense rivet
i mean, i know the game
safe matrix
hello??????/
dire spoke
you can click it, that's how fast the spec is
shrewd night
Shut up Zempai
manic vigil
shrewd night
We dont talk to 400 APM clickers
dire spoke
you donkeys
safe matrix
coolio
dire spoke
sorry for making you feel bad about yourself @shrewd night 
shrewd night
stone locust
dire spoke
don't
mossy hazel
Oh god don't start him again
shrewd night
Although have we tested the macro with high amounts of haste???
onyx sigil
/cast instead of /use ๐คข
dire spoke
you can do that in BfA
dense rivet
this is my main action bar, and my stealth bar is pretty much the same thing ! ๐
shrewd night
dw
dense rivet
they are good
shrewd night
not everybody is a starcraft 2 korean champ like you
dense rivet
maybe M1 for macro focus yeah..
dire spoke
don't worry, you're throwing this setup away soon anyway
spare cloud
a few people like the bfa changes, most don't. at least in this discord
dense rivet
it's not as if at the time we used 20
spare cloud
but we will see how it turns out
was there ever a time we actively used 20 abilities?
shrewd night
Ill meme until I got my hands on the finished product, as I hope most others will.
spare cloud
I dont think there was ever a class that did that in wow
Maybe in pvp, with target macros etc.
dense rivet
yes its what i wanted say
dire spoke
RET PAL COMING THROUGH
mossy hazel
Geeze... I have like 19 buttons hotkeyed...
spare cloud
I have around 40 bound things
dire spoke
I have 3 ๐ค
spare cloud
but many of them aren't used in an actual fight.
manic vigil
manic vigil
dense rivet
i think blizzard should stop macros and racials
manic vigil
spare cloud
I don't agree
spare cloud
I think classes should be distinguashable.
dense rivet
you can see it on pve and pvp
spare cloud
If every class is the same then its no fun. Obviously some will be superior
dense rivet
i anderstand
balmy cradle
@gusty kestrel what keys did you not bind^^?
shrewd night
If racials are a gamebreaker, then what the fuck is professions 
dense rivet
but take the race that kills wants to play without telling you yes but it's racial it's better
when i say game breaker its an image OMFG
balmy cradle
so you have professions on keys? and hearthstones?
shrewd night
No, you just need to make sense.
manic vigil
but tisumi... how many gear sets do you have for m+?!?!?!
exotic glen
perhaps if you could write a single coherent sentence, people might understand you
manic vigil
spare cloud
is alt-G not uncomfortable?
It really is for me
I have to cramp my hand
I never used alt mod though
always shift ctrl only
I can reach 60 binds with those modifiers though
balmy cradle
well i hold my keyboard like a cripple anyway, index finger on w and thumb on asd in a relaxed position, from there it just goes mental...
spare cloud
so i never had any trouble
dire spoke
jezuz
balmy cradle
middle finger 1 and i half claw over my keyboard ....
spare cloud
Thumb on b and n 
spare cloud
If you want an easy target in pvp go for zempai
just run behind him he cant do anything because he has to keyboard turn
manic vigil
balmy cradle
my thumb is basically doing anything right off 4 and e and under the qwe row
dire spoke
B A C K P A D D L I N G
balmy cradle
everything*
spare cloud
You can rebind them ๐ค
dire spoke
no
spare cloud
I have a friend who is left handed
dire spoke
that's game breaking
spare cloud
Has has keyboard on the right side
balmy cradle
B is for Bag, M is for Map. there is no rebind^^
spare cloud
and presses ctrl and shift with his thumb
I have f keys bound
alt f4 is mutilate
jk
I have every spell bound to the first letter in its name
balmy cradle
must be fun to click kingsbane
spare cloud
click it?
balmy cradle
press*
spare cloud
k is easily in my reach
balmy cradle
press k,
dire spoke
manic vigil
dense rivet
heay heay
balmy cradle
they should just insert eye to mouse control, so we have 2 hands for keyboard
for camera and stuff i mean
spare cloud
what if you squint
balmy cradle
game crashes
dire spoke
aww โค
thorny heart
Is the opener with mantle of the master assassin on icy veins legit?
where is that?
supple hearth
@thorny heart icy veins might get better in BFA but atm it's not updated as often as Ravenholdt is
thorny heart
The rotations are the same in those 2 places
at least for the opener
but i'll use ravenholdt instead
thanks btw alacrity
for the link
and you too giggle :p
steep obsidian
100% is pretty much impossible unless you have huge amounts of crit but when you can yes, 100% during kingsbane though
robust lintel
alright, thanks
empty hound
quick question on sin, im running 190 mast and 23 crit. should i get around 30 crit or just stack mastery now?
civic palm
Do what the sims are telling you, probably more mastery.
empty hound
what are u running just outta curiosity?
civic palm
Doesn't matter, what matters is what you are running.
empty hound
sure, thanks for the help... # elitest?
civic palm
What should I say heeeeeeeeeeeeeere, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Take it or leave it.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Doesn't matter to me.
empty hound
hmm what a shame I was waiting for a cool response.
civic palm
and I was waiting for someone to not call me an elitist after I gave you a direct response solving your issue.
But hey whatever.
hard aspen
Hello I am new and just started an assasination rogue
I have a couple questions if anyone can help
is vendetta something I should cast whenever it's up?
is kingsbane something I should cast whenever its up...
I realized I should toxic blade when vendetta reaches are certain time frame...when is that?
plain thistle
no, on CD too
if you are not confident enough with envenom uptime, you can save TB for the last 9-8s of KB
wise frigate
I'd say read the guide thoroughly, and then ask questions after.
plain thistle
but both on CD is better
wise frigate
Cause all those questions are answered last I looked.
hard aspen
thanks birb you are very helpful o.O
void pecan
wise frigate
Hard to tell if sarcasm or not. So I'm just assuming sincere so I feel better about myself.
steep obsidian
/s
limber portal
I have a question. I cant find the SHoulders opener in the pins anymore anyone know what it is now?
hard aspen
yeah pretty much cuz when I say I am new...that means I read that guy and am too stupid to understand it
limber portal
it used to be just pinned
wise frigate
You're probably thinking of the Sub opener.
hard aspen
for example what does it mean when nit says use Knightsbane on cooldown
wise frigate
It means...shocker here. Use Kingsbane whenever it comes off cooldown.
"on cooldown" always means "use as soon as it is available".
dire spoke
lots of returning players 
brace yourselfs
manic vigil
birb is called birb 
never seen that before I think
wise frigate
Well I'm known as Birb pretty much everywhere but here. So I changed.
tired thistle
Agh im torn so bad i sim out like 10k DPS more with a 985 Crit haste ring than i do with my 945 Sargerite smith on but i feel like the mastery loss (20%) is just too much of a loss to deal with
warm parcel
Hows dps gain a loss?
tired thistle
Its not but when you go from 184% mastery to 164 it makes me feel weak in the knees
solar willow
Hi again
stone fable
how are some of these humans having poison bomb as top dps?? just lucky procs on a 5+ min fight?
tired thistle
Pretty much
I have a 2.2 mil heroic parsesomewhere all becasue good PB procs
Argus*
solar willow
U cant have top damage pb on a single target fight
tired thistle
Yeah you can
SHit does crazy DPS and the add Phase on Argus when adds get stacked we had 4 adds stacked on top of each other
solar willow
I never had one atleast
stone fable
I hold my own at 2.1 to 2.4 but some people are getting close to 3 million pretty consistant which blows my brain.
warm parcel
Nop
solar willow
You're telling me that in a 5 min single target fight pb can be your top dps
tired thistle
Yes it can
warm parcel
Ye. Hows that any relevance to anything
jovial kite
solar willow
Nice game we're playing
civic palm
o _o ๐ฆ
trim dirge
why do kingsbane crits give 3 cp
civic palm
Because it's a composite attack and 1 component cannot reward CP from Seal Fate. :3
or...
you get 1CP due to it hitting and that being on the tooltip, and both hits crit giving you an additional CP per crit.
trim dirge
oh thats obvious
zealous dew
good morning fellow rogues
trim dirge
i guess i was mixing it with mut lol
zealous dew
I heard this is a lovely week for us, with all these juicy orbs to kill before they wipe the party
civic palm
haha
zealous dew
i'm so excited, can't wait to go home, pug some keys and party disbands because nobody kills them
halcyon quarry
idk how to AOE
steep obsidian
its only an issue if you do those huge pulls
pugs dont normally do that
coz no need to on 15s
visual bane
How does one get good logs on Eonar HC when everything dies before my dots deal any damage?
visual bane
I just want all my logs to be over 95 ๐ฆ
halcyon quarry
how does one Do stable AoE Dps as an ass rogue
halcyon quarry
i try to but still only about 400k dps
shrewd night
Put poisons on your weapon and you should do significantly more
400k is VERY low.
With that said, I know nothing about your gear
halcyon quarry
928 ilvl with the boot leg yeah
shrewd night
400k is very low for that ilevel if you are truly spreading ruptures and foking
old sphinx
is 400k overall dps?
halcyon quarry
Is that all i do though?
spread ruptiure and Fok
old sphinx
or just from rupture and fok ?
halcyon quarry
no Current while in a fight
shrewd night
Whats the name of your rogue?
old sphinx
basically what you wanna do for aoe as sin rogue : fok to 4/5 CP then Rupture at least 3 Targets, then fok to 4/5 CP then envenom until you have to refresh dots again
halcyon quarry
Porye
old sphinx
so it'll look smth like this: fok > rup > fok > rup > fok > rup > fok > env > fok > env ....
halcyon quarry
FoK Only gets me like 2 CP
old sphinx
ye then do fok > fok > finisher
halcyon quarry
is that bad? ๐
old sphinx
whoa buddy, that's a lot of haste you have there
shrewd night
That should be 0, aside from haste from legendaries
halcyon quarry
145% mastery
wise frigate
I stopped using my 980 ring cause I had like 11% haste due to it.
old sphinx
that's not very much.... well idk bout 928 ilvl but i have 190 currently and I need more
halcyon quarry
what about crit
shrewd night
Act as if you are an crackaddict and mastery is your crack
halcyon quarry
is that worth dropping for mastery
halcyon quarry
Haste went up to 19%
old sphinx
it will help you more than our arbitrary estimation
what do you use for sims ?! AskMrRobot ? 
halcyon quarry
Simc
old sphinx
you have simc addon then I guess
so you should use simc output and put it in raidbots/TopGear
shrewd night
Haste is a dead stat, it yields what.. 20% of what any other stat does.
old sphinx
halcyon quarry
doing that as we speak ๐
old sphinx
aight
eternal tapir
is 750 agility worth losing 650 mastery?
old sphinx
if it still tells you to get more haste then probably that happens to be your priority stat for the time being for whatever reason
old sphinx
but stats really don't matter all too much at that item level cuz it changes a lot once you get higher ilvl gear
i usually don't even bother simming my alts until they have decent gear
halcyon quarry
this is decent gear for me ๐
shrewd night
@old sphinx ๐
old sphinx
halcyon quarry
what is decent ilvl?
shrewd night
I consider an alt geared once it surpasses 950
halcyon quarry
ahh okay
shrewd night
But thats me
old sphinx
yeah that's about it for me too
halcyon quarry
alright
shrewd night
A dude having 2 alts at 970
halcyon quarry
so just gear up ti 950 then start worrying?
shrewd night
Id worry already, because obviously you want to be the best you can be when spamming mythics
old sphinx
yes, if your aoe dps is still at 400k ๐
shrewd night
Like, who would want to go for 'another dungeon anyone' with someone doing 400k aoe deeps 
old sphinx
hey that's mean
shrewd night
its realistic
shrewd night
๐
old sphinx
๐
halcyon quarry
i do a stable 1.3 mil dps on bosses ๐ฆ
old sphinx
and 400k on adds ? 
how
halcyon quarry
boi idek
solar willow
Equip your artifact weapons๐
old sphinx
LUL
halcyon quarry
ill do that
solid nova
old sphinx
maybe read up on that
ivory peak
look at he's stream Twitch.tv/ZeriaBZA
halcyon quarry
alright ๐ Ty
sharp viper
YES finally something that is not a chaos crystal from the weekly chest
old sphinx
you should delete that before the mods see it @ivory peak self promotion is against tos afaik
wise frigate
Speed BiS
old sphinx
especially since that's a fortnite stream ....
solar willow
We got a speedy boi here
sharp viper
BIS trinket for argus (re)progression
old sphinx
shouldn't it be ( 
)progression ?
sharp viper
everytime we get to argus we always got new trials and old people fuck up as well
sinful marsh
Godlike trinket for argus. Still amazing trinket for almost all other bosses
civic palm
,<
viscid helm
I mean i already called this 5 months ago
But people didnt believe
"Its just alpha"
solid nova
Y'all thought i was crazy
vivid bone
you are
night vale
questions, when is best to use my 2nd pot on Mythic Argus?
im using it when vanish comes off CD
fiery nest
Well you can use 3 pots
2nd one after you all die, 3rd one during lust
All die for the first time*
night vale
i thought you use 1 pre-pull
2 sometime before you die for first time
3 at start of p3 after he kills you all?
fiery nest
Yea....we usually have to stop dps before we all die 1st time so dumb to use there
Might be different for you
Everything is back up when you tree rez 1st time so it's good to use there, still up for a conduit
night vale
all right, thanks man ๐
fiery nest
Np gl
quick ice
4 pots, no? pre, 2nd during P1, 3rd after he kill you, 4th after tree sac?
or do you not do that nowadays (haven't raided in ~6w)
sharp viper
^
fiery nest
I guess you could, just have to stop damage faster then
sharp viper
if you dont bloodlust in p1 you dont have to stop dmg
fiery nest
Well yea
solar willow
3m fight hc vari 16% pb proc. is it considered lucky?
solid nova
16% is way above average, yes
steep obsidian
you can look at sims and see your average damage breakdown
just look at the detailed option in raidbots if you using that
shrewd night
16m pb is about twice of the average
Although censoring your own name doesnt help if someone logged
solid nova
16m? 16%*** too much weezing going on there MATE
solid nova
Lancealot leading the charge
solar willow
i didn't say you can't find the log you just have to try a bit harder, like 3 clicks more than normal
solid nova
But no, 16% is very high for PB mate in answer to your question
8%~ seems average for me
Anything over 10% is a turn on tbh.
solar willow
yeh i just got caught off guard when i pulled 2.53m on that fight
solid nova
Wait till next boss and you're on 2% PB damage
The love, hate relationship continues ๐
solar willow
i remember one pull we did on argus progression i was ridiculously low on damage and when i clicked to see what happened i couldn't find pb on the meters ๐ฆ
shrewd night
Argus isnt dependant on pb tho
solid nova
PB is like that girl you love, but you're just her side chick. Loves you when she wants to ๐ฆ
shrewd night
its dependant on keeping the buffs up, and not dying during execute
solid nova
Raiding 101
-Don't die
-Get boss health to zero
-Keep raids hp above zero
For the remaining 98 reasons, stay tuned ๐ช
orchid cove
tbh to do really good parses pb matters
when u have 3-4stacks
some pull we phase him and im a like2.6-2.7m with good pb, but obv we wipe those kek
lethal heart
@solid nova @marble hemlock CAN YOU STOP
solid nova
โค cutie
marble hemlock
what happens if we talk about non-assa stuff here and get told to move to offtopic, but sebek cant because hes still muted there? ๐ค
solid nova
Go to #off-topic please
I CANT.
lethal heart
manic vigil
how is this not fixed yet? I mean it's hilarious and I want it to stay but.. no, nvm the first question, let's just go to off-topic
marble hemlock
๐
sharp viper
halcyon quarry
is the legendary headpiece any good
exotic glen
yes
halcyon quarry
what are the best legs for ST?
halcyon quarry
i cant equip 2 yet so rip
solid nova
Well regardless of if you can equip 1 or 2, simming the combinations will still provide you with which option is best
vivid bone
solid nova
faint sleet
did assa rogues have energy regen issues near the start of legion? im playing assa at 120 on the beta and feel energy starved 100% of the time
vivid bone
beta =/= start of legion
zealous dew
just don't use abilities, full energy bar
faint sleet
both have low itemization levels
vivid bone
Yeah, but to compare it purely based on that
I mean, the energy regen currently is just pretty good imo
faint sleet
just curious whether energy starvation is typical for the spec lukehashi
not looking to get into a symantic argument
peak sapphire
for single target you'll be starved if you spam mutilate and envenom with no ragrets, but mutilating to high cp then envenoming to keep the buff up you shouldnt feel starved 90% of the time
aoe you shoud have infinite energy if you bleed enough stuff
shrewd night
I'll take a wat for 200, Jeff.
warm parcel
Bfa assa is slower by design
vestal wren
bfa rogue*
warm parcel
solid nova
Fuu you in the wrong neighbourhood ese
Promise i put my best mexican accent on that one
dire spoke
we need to build a wall
safe sluice
Is it ok to go for 4 cp envenoms when running vigor instead of deeper strategem? Itโs probably 4-5cpโs instead of the 5-6 deeper strat ones?
solid nova
4 CP envenoms with vigor is correct to do so
safe sluice
Okay ty for the info. Is a 4cp rupture worthwhile? (And no garotte is on cd) or do you for a 5cp with fan?
safe sluice
Okay, went from sub to sin for mythic progress so kinda new on the finshers part.
Does that even include overwriting a 5cp with a 4cp rupture in pandemic?
peak sapphire
thats fine too, unless its empowered by something like nightstalker then let it end first
safe sluice
Okay so thatโs where my cp loss comes from... thanks for the info!
peak sapphire
higher cp ruptures only increase duration not its dps
safe sluice
๐
warm parcel
What I ment was that no
You never went for 5 cp with vigor
Nor did you ever go 5-6 with ds
And 7.2 pand is only for 5 cp
It is 8.4 for 6
and 6 for 4
steel geyser
While we're talking about pandemic stuff, I have a (dumb) question. The refresh window duration depends on the dot that is already on the target or the one i'm gonna apply next ?
Example :
I have a 4CP rupture fading and I'm gonna apply a 5CP rupture. Should I wait to -6.6sec before refreshing it or should I refresh it at 8sec cause the new one is a full 24 sec ?
warm parcel
Pandemic can transfer the old dot into the new one up to 30% of the new one
So 5cp into 1 cp is short
1cp into 5 cp is long
solid nova
Thats me counting how many days this week i said i wouldnt get take out, and did.
steel geyser
I guess I have a sort of answer. Thx
warm parcel
well first off
30% of 24 isnt 8
it is that 7.2
And yes you take the 30% of the dot youre about to apply
Or buff if were talking about something like snd
dire spoke
it doesn't matter how many CP you spent on the active rupture, you need to adjust the new finisher to the pandemic timing with the CP you have
if that helps sorting it
steel geyser
Ok the new one is the one that matters thx guys (I though is was 33% not 30% sry for the misscalc)
โค
sand whale
damn it almost got a super parse on vari I shoulda saved my CDs before necrotic but got too keen XD
exotic glen
not even close boy
exotic glen
just remember to cheese adds
exotic glen
exotic glen
world has gone to shit
wise frigate
^
valid skiff
is there am+ guide for assasination?
ok lol ^^
and a question
is it worht to use envenom with 3 combo points?
exotic glen
no, 4-5
exotic glen
yes
fresh kernel
whats looking like the best rogue spec for bfa this far?
exotic glen
@shrewd night just use velens future sight
shrewd night
That requires me to know first aid
hoary copper
๐ฎ
steep obsidian
ancient sonnet
i see some people using boots/bracers on argus, when or why is that good?
hoary copper
It depends on your off pieces
ancient sonnet
it would be 970 crit/mast shoulders
hoary copper
Some say certain fight lengths can favor boots over the others too. Our helm/shoulder/bracers/boots are all fairly close
ancient sonnet
hmm ok
hoary copper
You'd have to for your specific character
ancient sonnet
simming works as an overall approach, not so much for specific bosses
mellow needle
is there a good avg fight length to sim boots with?
hoary copper
I mean its not necessarily a fight specific thing. If you know the fight takes your guild 9 minutes you can also sim for 9 minutes
The default is 5, but its whatever your guild is averaging
dire spoke
<_ <
ancient sonnet
huh yeah
changing sim length drastically shifts my gear around
any fight >7min for me is boots/bracers
and 5 min fights it says head > shoulders
marble hemlock
probably getting an additional vendetta into your execute at >7min which makes bracers stick out more
hoary copper
Also argus has a long execute stage
Sorry for delay, sometimes work makes me actually work
lavish marten
Hey, if you are assigned to debuff carry on Portal Keeper on Mythic, does CoS remove the debuff entirely or does it "drop" it down at the boss?
marble hemlock
it works the same as if you get dispelled, removing the buff, and if youre close enough to the guardian, the corresponding effect wiill happen
exotic glen
yes
marble hemlock
because if you carry the fire one and you cloak, it will drop it and you can pick it up again
those 2 options arent mutually exclusive
i mean, theres 3 different debuffs
shadow/poison work the same, fire doesnt
dire spoke
dummy
marble hemlock
but im pretty sure cloaking the fire-debuff just drops it around you
dire spoke
read kistler's tipps and tricks
@lavish marten CoS removes the debuff and orb entirely, don't do it while running - but you may speed up the drop on the miniboss with cloak
fervent beacon
I'm going to confirm this, don't cloak if you're carrying the debuff, wiped raid few times on first attempts
shell lodge
Hi, i just found this Discord. i used to play Rogue at nighthold raid and then left it for WArrior. Curently, before new Expansion i want to try out rogue once more but i nearly forgot everythink. i have 4p T19, Wrist LEgendaries and Kil Jaeden. burning wish. I just want to know if Assa is still good pick for MYthic + and Raids just learn how to play it once again. Can u help ?
strange python
assassination is best for antorus right now, sub is better for m+ but sin is viable
I suggest reading the guide at the top and going from there
strange python
we aren't fire mage level of legendary dependence, but certain legendaries have a much bigger impact than others
wise frigate
Things that go to the worst player in the guild first. Or an alt. Or the worst player on their alt.
Ours was my third option.
And he hasn't shut up about it since.
bitter minnow
ours went to a guild main, who then decided never to play that character again and he disappeared for a month
lavish marten
@dire spoke where may I find kistlers tips and tricks? I checked the pinned messages but cant find it
bitter minnow
I saw it once in a pure pug. I figure seeing it drop twice is about as much as I'm ever going to see that thing.
dire spoke
@lavish marten all rogue related articles are mostly available on ravenholdt-net http://www.ravenholdt.net/antorus-tips-tricks
prime void
dense rivet
if you are interested my friends :
#showtooltip Disparition
/cast Disparition
/cast [stealth] Rupture
it works = )
be the vanish mod be with you rogues friends .๐ ๐ peace !
I was going to forget, hello guys ๐
dire spoke
it's the same like waiting for the second click
viscid helm
while you are at it, why dont you just make castsequence macro
dire spoke
๐คท๐ป
viscid helm
for whole 3 button rotation
dire spoke
/cast DESPAAA
/cast CITO
dense rivet
can be helpfull, i need to try that
vast forum
/cast despacito 2
pseudo mural
dire spoke
@pseudo mural you can find standard setups on herodamage.com but it may be very different from what you will play with
lavish marten
Thanks for the link Zempai, question: Is it just me or are most of the early bosses not exactly "rogue riendly" , Mythic Eonar, High Command even dogs where I cant multidot, only seem to be doing really well on Imonar and Kingoroth
echo estuary
why pick bad talent
lavish marten
in High Command should I bother with rupturing the adds or FoK or should I apply poisons and ST the boss
fallow estuary
Puts me on even less dps ๐คท
marble hemlock
@lavish marten depends on your raid really, if the adds get vortexed so they dont charge away and live less than ~10sec, its not really worth rupturing more than one. you never want to rupture the pyro since it just dies too quickly. if the adds are living quite long though, doing a rupture each on the melee-charge-mobs us definitely worth it
shell lodge
dayum, after Arms its so hard to do DPS as Rogue, i have energy only for opener, and later on i basicly manage only to get one Evi, and then have to refresh dots
shell lodge
i run: MAster Poisoner, Night stalker, Vigor, Cheat Death, Thuggee, Toxic Blades, Venom rush.
dire spoke
@shell lodge is your weapon 75+ ? alltho it's not a button smash spec
shell lodge
nope, i just hited 60 on it
dire spoke
yeah that's what I thought
shell lodge
so Rogue sux before 70-75?
dire spoke
no ๐คท๐ป it's just how energy works
safe matrix
I know its late
shell lodge
well gotta just gear up and learn
safe matrix
but nice skintone 1 shrug zempai
shell lodge
i managed to do some dps durning nighthold, its my first day back on rogue so its to be expected
manic vigil
safe matrix
the thing above it is the nose
dire spoke
no u
safe matrix
thats weird, I'm used to that emote being the other way
echo estuary
that's great, i'm happy for you tisumi
safe matrix
and being called :wank:
manic vigil
show some flexibility liabre
echo estuary
just give him a sauna
echo estuary
good and pve, now what's that again. An assessment of button mashing marathon and /played?
exotic glen
if its so easy perelman, why arent you a top player
manic vigil
echo estuary
i'm not a top player because at my age people have different priorities in life
exotic glen
like spending your time in a chatroom for a game you barely play?
stark heart
stark heart
Could you all chill?
exotic glen
echo estuary
barely play? i don't play wow.
stark heart
I am angery here
exotic glen
what the fuck
stark heart
What you wanna hear about Assa!
manic vigil
tell me everything!
dire spoke
tistic
exotic glen
but why not tho
stark heart
I never asked for it
dire spoke
let's migrate to #off-topic ๐๐ป no?
exotic glen
idk, doesnt look like this dicsussion will last longer than this so
stark heart
And I don't really care about color
I do it because I like it not because I want a role in discord
exotic glen
theorycrafters get streetcred
gray tendon
Just wanted to introduce myself. What's good fellow rogues.
livid crescent
dire spoke
Somebody will take a look here if you don't mind it being public
exotic glen
@gray tendon hey friend
gray tendon
How's it goin???
exotic glen
playing some PoE man
gray tendon
Me?
How'd you Kno I got bad luck hahaha
Quick Sim - Solomon - 1,660,369 DPS - Raidbots. I feel that I should be simmin at almost 2k, but I also don't have the proper relics I think that's mainly why
gray tendon
Thx. At least when I raid I put up numbers aprox. Equal to what I sim at. So that's good
gray tendon
I was looking at the herodamage website
And if I get the legendary bracers, those fuckers never drop for me and when I bought one it gave me a diff ass legendary, at least that's the last legendary left tho....but ya if I get that and then the proper relics.... I should be at 2k
safe matrix
its probably your gear, and possibly your talent set up
sims are pretty correct for ST
dire spoke
herodamage is using standarized profiles using best available tier items on their difficulty
it can be alot different for you
safe matrix
It depends on what you have
even with the relic boosts and bracers I don't think you would hit 2m
dire spoke
my toon should sim 2.4m at my ilvl, best I can do is 2.3m because I have shitty T2 relic traits ๐คท๐ป so ilvl says nothing
exotic glen
tfw almost 2.5m
gray tendon
You guys mythic antorus geared?
If you put up 2.3 and you sim 2.4 then ilvl does say something lok
Lol
dire spoke
no, I can have 100k more with the same ilvl
gray tendon
I get what u mean tho
There is definitely alot more to it then just ilvl.
Rotation...execution... difference in the fights...
onyx sigil
Yeah, I'm almost 980, but my relics blow, so I don't sim nearly as high as I would with better traits.
gray tendon
I am specced for the poison on, I don't think I'd be as good with exsang. Which build do you guys think tops out at more dps?
exotic glen
reached 980 in raid today
gray tendon
Damn I wish I was 980.
exotic glen
jewed my raid out of a pair of 985 shoulders as well
gray tendon
I'm 955 ftw lmao
exotic glen
wasnt even my intention
onyx sigil
Poison scales a lot better than exsang. Bleed build only really scales off crit/vers, while poison also scales off mastery. Adding another multiplier on your damage is a big deal.
dire spoke
there are 3-5 builds people use ๐คท๐ป you need to play what your items allow you to play
can't really set a goal and gear into a particular one
onyx sigil
Plus gearing for bleed is cumbersome. Need a good ToS 2pc and very specifically itemized gear.
dire spoke
I mean, you can grind m+ for items you need but that will end up in frustration most of the time
strange python
I am hopelessly at 2.2
gray tendon
True.
sand whale
the power of just good stats mastery crit and good relics ๐
sand whale
I do want me some good traits tho https://i.imgur.com/vuM8HEd.png I look at @exotic glen with pure envy
you lucky sob
dire spoke
what a hobo
sand whale
if anything just make sure everything has mastery even if it doesn't have crit
I've got like one ring that has crit and that's it ๐ฆ
gray tendon
True, but I sorta obseess over trying to Max out my skill n abilities at being the best possible.
That I can anyway hahah
So what'd you guys think about BFA?
exotic glen
@sand whale lmao my relics arent even that lucky
its more my offpieces that are good
onyx sigil
There are some great changes, like bleeds and poisons scaling with haste and mastery also scaling both poisons and bleeds. Mut feels largely the same, sans a few buttons, albeit much slower with current gear. Getting CT back makes our AoE good too.
exotic glen
@sand whale i actually have a relic in my bag that i will use once i get another vendetta relic so i have 3, i currently use 1
sand whale
I think with the right relics you'll hit 2.5 for sure did some sims with crit/mastery off pieces + bis traits at around 980
exotic glen
which will be quite a boost i think
sand whale
yeah same I'm just waiting on a good shadow relic
also with bfa hard to tell - I'm playing bleed build atm since posion just feels meh
exotic glen
iron here ๐ฆ
dire spoke
Many people assume a new addon should bring a new playstyle to their class but I feel like thinking that is completely false. The classes got reworked for legion and now they're being just more slim with our removed external power so it wouldn't make any sense to give players a complete new experience with their class - rather than grabbing some neck and working with the base abilities one spec can provide
gray tendon
I honestly haven't had the chance to really look into BFA changes as it seems shit changes so often with the beta build, I do like the haste change tho.
I agree
I feel that their aim is to like.... Put the icing on the cake as far as classes go
Not to bake a whole new one
dire spoke
Everytime I hear somebody go "duh my spec plays the same in BfA, how boring" I want to puke in their face
gray tendon
Lmao
onyx sigil
They designed themselves into a no-win situation with artifacts. Losing all of those traits obviously just removes a lot of stuff from a spec. It's not so bad for rogues, but you can really feel it on a lot of other specs.
gray tendon
True. I feel they basically had to rework those traits into the new azurite system
Or something similar
dire spoke
Yeah, we had to much external power
I will just grind mobs to 120 keeping my stuff without doing the storyline
exotic glen
prepatch just cant come soon enough man
sand whale
wouldn't mind having kb tbh, I think it's more like you gave us something cool this expac and now it's all taken away mentality
sand whale
yeah but I stayed away from sin for so long until this expac lol
dire spoke
without SoT KB seems pretty pointless
sand whale
that one button made it less boring ๐
dire spoke
KB is not boring because we're working around it with poisons tho
sand whale
I mean I like some sort of interaction even if it's just one ability that does it
like exang for bleed
onyx sigil
I just hope PB stays so undertuned that no one takes it. That trait has made the spec so unfun for me in Legion.
sand whale
I feel like it's going to depend on that last talent
if it's like dfa it might sway people to sub lol
onyx sigil
BfA sub is interesting without DfA. I liked the playstyle it brought, but that animation sucks. We'll see if the last talent is some DfA-lite creating the same sort of gameplay. A FW-centered playstyle is not bad, though. That's what we had pre-Legion and I always loved Sub in previous expansions.
Feels weird as a talent though. The spec is so boring in BfA without it.
sand whale
well the good part is changing specs should be easy enough no more AP grind for separate artifact weapons
onyx sigil
Getting Azerite pieces for each spec will be the new limiting factor. That grind will likely not be nearly as bad as AP and legendaries in Legion, though.
I hated being locked into a spec in early Legion. Part of the benefit of being a class with 3 DPS specs is being able to change to better fill the niche of a fight.
gray tendon
Yea that animation jumping n shit suckdd
onyx falcon
uhhh... looking at the rogue talent bfa thing on wowhead.... i feel like im missing something here
dire spoke
cut the cheese
lost horizon
I don't see a problem
onyx falcon
k im definately missing something ehre =.=
k world... im ready to be beat down n feel stupid
strange python
it's something that existed in a previous expansion I think
I guess blizzard doesn't remove them in case they want to bring it back
onyx falcon
im so confused but ok... ty =/
steep obsidian
take something away and make you grind to get it back 2 expacs later
its the model of wow ๐
civic palm
Yeah Cut to the Chase was on MoP >_>
civic palm
? ๐จ ?
stark heart
mods are asleep
civic palm
post off-topc
wise frigate
Stjern's bubble is green. To ping or not to ping.
He saw me talking about him and went offline 
civic palm
lol
onyx falcon
nah just ping all the big self-inportant chat deps all at once
safe matrix
just ping @everyone
civic palm
๐ IF ๐ ONLY ๐
wise frigate
Time to ping the one who's not away on Discord. @regal moss Mind dealing with Mr. Links No Context Streams in Multiple Channels up there?
stark heart
@civic palm you can ping shadowblades I guess
wise frigate
For the memes
stark heart
Ping is love, ping is life
wise frigate
regal moss
wise frigate
๐
onyx falcon
๐
civic palm
๐
plain thistle
civic palm
onyx falcon
is that a fking pepe jose LOL
civic palm
Yeah... it is... o _o ๐ฆ
onyx falcon
safe matrix
๐ฅ ๐ซ
civic palm
๐คฝ