quick ice
I don't think there's a proc event, so it has to wait until it ticks
#assassination
marble hemlock
yup
it scans the combatlog to see if a poison bomb damage tick happened, and then spams chat
so by the time the tank reads the wa and actually has time to react, ~half of the ticks already happened :/
onyx falcon
yea what i thought it was
just wanted to confirm =/
i mean... theres 2 more ticks if the tanks smart enough to guess where teh PB first went off ๐
marble hemlock
yup, its why i eventually stopped using mine, even if the tank is supergood and wants to cater to your bombs, if hes already moving when it procs, theres just nothing to be done
safe tiger
@onyx falcon yeah it does not instantly announce the procs
marble hemlock
its nice to know for the tank that ideally he isnt kiting during the next ~2seconds though
so its still a valuable addition if the tank wants to play around it
onyx falcon
idk in lower keys i run, my tank friends just use my WA to move out of my PB when it procs on purpose so ๐
"PB?!, time to move"
safe tiger
i told my tank when he asked for it, that there is very little time to react, and he said he was up for the challenge xD
but i see why you would not bother with the wa, the reaction time the tank has to have is to big
onyx falcon
yea its pretty much "Proc -> ~0.5s -> WA Shout"
safe tiger
if he is already moving, i doubt he can do anything, but if he is standing still as was about to move
i guess it comes in handy in that point
steep obsidian
they should really just make a small graphic that you can see for it at least in 5 mans
you can see it in pvp fine
buoyant pecan
Struggling with Sin pvp... I feel like I can pour everything into someone and they rarely ever die..
onyx falcon
If it's world PvP just put on cape and NS and wait for a minute then FoK
supple hearth
If you can't kill someone as sin in wpvp you don't have enough mythic gear
steep obsidian
prolly can't kill a geared healer regardless
pre patch might be interesting though ๐
violet yew
If it's wpvp just go sub and destroy people.
thorny shore
guys how many kingsbane stacks we can reach?
hollow barn
Does anyone k ow if mastery scales less with poisons but with bleeds on beta or are numbers not that far along yet?
old sphinx
bois what's the difference between TB before KB (in opener) and TB after KB (in opener) can't be that much of a difference right ?
hollow barn
I think itโs only small optimisation
shrewd night
old sphinx
solid nova
old sphinx
is my boi tyra still around ?
solid nova
Ya
old sphinx
๐
prime void
Buffing last 5 seconds of KB with TB if you're not holding for more than 5 seconds Is a win iirc
So it's situational based off TB vooldoen
Cool down*
shrewd night
delaying TB by ~15 seconds or more makes it more of a possibility to lost casts over the entire fight I reckon
old sphinx
no delaying spells before opener
solid nova
TB buffs KB, so there's no reason to KB before TB in the opener
prime void
Use your head and you could have answered that based on other info given.
Just took some intuitive thinking I guess ๐
old sphinx
bois what's the difference between TB before KB (in opener) and TB after KB (in opener) can't be that much of a difference right ?
read
pls
old sphinx
nah
prime void
I love your fucking name shiennar lmfao
shrewd night
Its a living meme
prime void
I love it so much.
But like read the skills
And use your head
Will make you better player to think for yourself
Sounds dickish but is true
old sphinx
reason why I came up with that question is that r1 log on imonar opens garrote>Mut>Rup>Vendetta>KB> TB
solid nova
Doesnt mean its right ๐
prime void
Looking at r1 sin logs ๐๐๐๐
shrewd night
Dude had 25% pb but fucked up his opener
old sphinx
r1 imonar is actually no pb bs
old sphinx
look it up ๐
prime void
There's still no objective reason to KB first
Doesn't matter if R1 or not
Still a fuck up
fiery nest
Damage
prime void
Jesus fuck
shrewd night
Sim it
solid nova
๐คฆ wakey wakey
junior gorge
How do you guys feel about the assasssin rogue so far in BFA beta? ๐ thinking about lvling in assassin and maining it...
prime void
You're the curious one, not us
old sphinx
jumpstart my brain
solid nova
Deformed
old sphinx
hey that wasnt toxic ๐ค
old sphinx
serious questionasking
solid nova
Do the number differences really matter if its always going to be a loss?
As its specific to the opener?
No
shrewd night
simcraft shows this as the optimal opener
'but what if you uuuuuuuuuuuh'
prime void
^
junior gorge
feel ignored ๐ฎ
shrewd night
Nobody gives a shit about beta because tuning hasnt been done
solid nova
Needy
junior gorge
Okay okay damn ๐
solid nova
It'll be so good, then it will go live
Then they'll adjust numbers
Maybe twice
and it'll all be different
So banking on something so early isn't going to help
junior gorge
True,
Guess i will just decide on release day what i will lvl as
old sphinx
I'm not the smartest boi without my coffee...
now that I think about y'all right ๐
leveling with most mobile spec for me, so probably sub ...
solid nova
Since my house move ive been 10 days without internet at home
Think i forgot how to play wow
old sphinx
:0
solid nova
Engineer delay for fibre. Should have been yesterday. Now next Friday ๐ฆ
Dw im playing monk in bfa 
solid nova
Well i the engineer doesnt need to come to my house
old sphinx
false queen obv
old sphinx
sry old meme
vivid bone
dead meme
solid nova
Leg sleeve picture when
vivid bone
oh right
solid nova
MHM
@zealous dew I can't get that high where I live. Ive got 250MB on its way
Where do i need to move to for the 1gb life
old sphinx
Switzerland : )
shrewd night
I live alone with my cat. Got like 150/25
And I think its fucking overkill
Could probably live well on 10/10 fiber
shrewd night
solid nova
I yolk, you've seen my cat
Yeah this is 250/100
๐ฎ
I'm starting to forget my keybinds
The end is near
No such thing
I'd be on wow if my work pc could support it
zealous dew
lul
vivid bone
@solid nova look at your pm
old sphinx
pm me to ๐
vivid bone
fuck it, offtopic it is
solid nova
Oh its you
Was thinking whos this fucking randomer pming me
The account name threw me off, thought it was a randomer so didnt read straight away ๐
vivid bone
no worries
solid nova
Yeah but not being able to play through internet
And not being able to afford wow
Are two different things
solid nova
I'm in process of making best friends with my neighbour so when I use his wifi i can write down the password
Internet in exchange for friendship, sounds fair.
zealous dew
lol
solar willow
hey yall i have a question. When do u use vanish after opener if you go with shoulders
solid nova
Hold for vendetta
zealous dew
vendetta for hold
solid nova
Outside of the opener, always line it up with vendetta.
Unless theres some scenario where the fight will end before vend will be up
shrewd night
shoulders
๐คข
zealous dew
vendetta relics ๐ฎ
old sphinx
no shoulders fetish for Shienn :/
zealous dew
crown ftw
zealous dew
ohhh nice reference
solar willow
how about the execute phase, do i hold any cds for that or just do rotation normally
solid nova
Depends on the length of the execute phase in terms of if you're going to hold for anything
Or if you're using bracers etc
solar willow
ye i'm using bracers
jovial kite
execute is ur biggest dmg output time of the fight
so using all cds in unison there is a must
aka vanish with vendetta
shrewd night
solar willow
i'm trying but i think i'm doing something wrong :x
solid nova
Well you've made it to 10/11M and still not covering the basics mate
Can go over logs if you want
solid nova
I've got time today so if you wanted to look into some stuff, i'm free
solar willow
if i post logs i'll just get roasted
jovial kite
goodguy rich 200 pieces of paper infront of desk, does a 360 and waves his hand, all the papers get sorted AND gaaras log gets reviewed
wew, normal day in the life of Good Guy Rich
old sphinx
smooth af
you know what happened? yesterday my fellow rogue got 3 pbs in opener on varyhardthras, then raidlead decided to wipe, cuz ain't noone escaping the log police
I was like 
jovial kite
sharp viper
if that is is serious full omegalul
solid nova
๐ LOG ๐ POLICE ๐
vestal wren
๐
old sphinx
well full story would be that buyer, who was also rogue was talented cheat death, and didnt die fast enough so he spawned void , which was also a reason.... but mostly log l^police
stark heart
your RL is weird
solid nova
^
molten flicker
๐
shrewd night
be buyer
stack on tank to die
but stack on offtank for maximum lul
molten flicker
I wish my logs were not private still
vivid bone
I wish my logs were private
old sphinx
molten flicker
u cant get people to review them if they are private
vestal wren
parses are useless /discuss/
molten flicker
๐
old sphinx
public logs = dick comparison !Change my Mind
shrewd night
Flowi whitename
vivid bone
remove 'public'
old sphinx
no please dont
molten flicker
what is different with private logs? ๐
viscid helm
I found a way
shrewd night
Change my mind
viscid helm
To evade my basic question ban
old sphinx
private logs for comparison with who ? yourself ?
molten flicker
u still see your parses
old sphinx
phh parses
molten flicker
and so do all your guildies
old sphinx
yikes
solid nova
@zealous dew Got to review @solar willow logs all by myself
Get jealous
Mine
Probs should do some actual work now ๐
viscid helm
Whats the point
solid nova
What's the point in anything
nimble bison
there is no point in anything
solar willow
yikes
old hamlet
how important is the 4 set of a rogue ?
spare cloud
Very important
old hamlet
okay thanks
shrewd night
Toph appearing from the shadows
spare cloud
WOOSH
nimble bison
Is my aoe supposed to be garbage compared to others in my group or am I doing something wrong?
nimble bison
fast paced dungeons so mobs dont live much
shrewd night
I mean, why are you playing assassination if you want aoe?
nimble bison
mostly get to fok a couple of time and 1 or 2 env
thorn pasture
Assa is viable but sub is more consistent on aoe
nimble bison
I'm new to rogue, trying the spec.. just wondering if im doing something wrong
thorn pasture
It can be very very low if youre unlucky yes
steep obsidian
you won't be able to compete until very high keys and even then maybe not that, monks and dh will global crap before you even get a chance to dps
once you reach high keys sin is quite good especially on some dungoens
thorn pasture
Upper karazhan they are very strong
thorn pasture
Yea
@nimble bison youre aoe could also be low if the tank is kiting the mobs, ruining your poison bombs
Not sure what level of keys we talking about
nimble bison
I mean
not kiting
just running around
pulling
while they die
so they are not in 1 spot
thorn pasture
Yea there u go
solid nova
exotic glen
no homo
exotic glen
nimble bison
What if I say no no homo
shrewd night
Write us a fanfic
solar willow
+10 MonkaS
exotic glen
shiennar x richard
exotic glen
steaming hot romance novel 2: electric boogaloo
solar willow
Lets go old kara
shrewd night
This sounds like some #off-topic shit
exotic glen
as if people in this channel care about going to offtopic
marble hemlock
this
viscid helm
We only like white people here
exotic glen
idk i was white
spare cloud
I agree
marble hemlock
yeah well, even if you return to the fold, you will always have the teal-taint on you
it will NEVER go away
old sphinx
๐ค
exotic glen
once you go blue you never go back?
marble hemlock
once you go blue, theres no return for you
wise frigate
I was blue once... shudder
trim dirge
Join blue team :)
old sphinx
@wise frigate do you still have the "X-Gon-Give-It-To-YA" WA for pb procs ?
or was that not you? ๐ค
sharp viper
damn i want that one too, all i have is a tmw with a boxing ring bell
old sphinx
TMW 
exotic glen
why would you even do that
old sphinx
for the memes
exotic glen
i would absolutely kms if it were me
sharp viper
it barely procs anways ๐คท rare occurance
old sphinx
imo the "Running in the 90's" WA for BL was even better
old sphinx
can you give me again ?
solid nova
$5
old sphinx
go away no taxing pls
old sphinx
Feels Scamaz Man
sharp viper
i would take both weakauras as well ples
solid nova
$12
wise frigate
I'll just upload them both to Wago tonight before raid.
old sphinx
nice ty 
sharp viper
@solid nova get back to work you filthy desk jockey trying to profit from others work
wise frigate
Jk I'll hop on WoW now. Destiny pissing me off with these teams I'm getting in Iron Banana ๐ค
solid nova
@sharp viper Ok sorry
wise frigate
Both of you PM me so I can send you the files for the sounds.
solid nova
He's fighting repression
viscid helm
Im fighting for the minority
sharp viper
outlaw is not the minority?
echo estuary
Flowi team white. Good boy
spare cloud
Run while you can
exotic glen
lmao
marble hemlock
๐ฆ
solid nova
What do you have your PB key bound on?
marble hemlock
its a good week
marble hemlock
no i meant
spare cloud
marble hemlock
i love the smell of poisonbombs in the morning
spare cloud
You're disgusting
vapid moth
Hmmm
vapid moth
Meh
echo estuary
European rogue has discovered these weird tips and tricks to dominate antorus
spare cloud
solid nova
The amount of times your posts are just "Hmmm"
vapid moth
Itโs to bring attention to me
solid nova
Attention whore
vapid moth
Hmm worked just as well
exotic glen
wanna see a good log toph
spare cloud
No
exotic glen
well that answers that
exotic glen
i dont like it either
vapid moth
Gasp
spare cloud
and your rank is gone
exotic glen
cba lol
solid nova
Toph well practised in leaving the server
solid nova
I know fam, just yolking
vestal wren
what is the issue?
spare cloud
Some people don't get it
solid nova
BLUE IS THE ISSUE
spare cloud
make argonic white again
vestal wren
can you?
spare cloud
idk if you can but you may
wise frigate
Fuu going full English teacher on your ass.
"Can I go to the bathroom?" "I DON'T KNOW JOHNNY. CANNNNNN YOUUUUU?"
vestal wren
there are 11 despots/shadowblades online
marble hemlock
20% on domatrax too, wtf is going on
spare cloud
@wise frigate fuck off to #off-topic please
wise frigate
No u
exotic glen
hahaha
spare cloud
they should make ranks that only have permission to #off-topic
solid nova
@vestal wren Online and alive are two different things though
spare cloud
and give it to people like Richard
exotic glen
@spare cloud
wise frigate
And Toph.
exotic glen
do you think you can beat our execution rank https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4zfpvPKGZthXqV6L#fight=11&view=rankings
solid nova
The only special permissions i want is to be able to mute Toph at will
wise frigate
Rank 0% 
exotic glen
no
echo estuary
Mute TOPH? Why
old sphinx
@exotic glen the grey logs 
spare cloud
exotic glen
impressive
steep obsidian
wahhhh
steep obsidian
i got like a 95 on portal keeper going upstairs
with insane pb luck
needs more tunneling
steep obsidian
yeh
shrewd night
brb salivating at my hasabel parse
steep obsidian
fk doin mechas
exotic glen
2% pb toph
spare cloud
1,94 gets rounded down 
exotic glen
learn2luck
spare cloud
did you not have math in school?
shrewd night
Thats an old parse bruh
old sphinx
@shrewd night laughs in pb
echo estuary
I'm really happy for you TOPH but Tom had the best parses of all time!
spare cloud
Yeah perelman thats just flat out not true
marble hemlock
boots/bracers all the way
shrewd night
filthy tryhards swapping leggos per fight amirite
marble hemlock
did you play NS or subterfuge?
ive always preferred subterfuge on coven for some reason
spare cloud
I wish I would get the non shitty pods on high command
old sphinx
not running bracers mantle for entire ABT in 2k18 KAPPA
spare cloud
Subterfuge is flat out better for most people
its just very rare cases that ns sims higher
with boots bracers
spare cloud
I wish I could have 1 decent try on high command and hasabel
marble hemlock
but 2.8mil w/o pk relics is pretty damn good
id love to do another coven mythic just to parse ๐
spare cloud
wtf tisumi you're wearing 7 gems?
marble hemlock
wait toph, you dont have 7 gems?
echo estuary
Best rogues do 3kk no pad right seliathan
spare cloud
my gear just flat out sucks
marble hemlock
idk, havent done coven in ages
spare cloud
I sim like 100k less than guys with same itemlevel as me
marble hemlock
except for that heroic pug a few weeks ago where i somehow went nuclear
old sphinx
are you running around with 945 king ring like me ? @spare cloud
spare cloud
No
marble hemlock
i mean long fights kinda benefit us
old sphinx
I mean i have 980 Haste Crit ring , but haste
spare cloud
Yea well I'm not playing this game anymore at all
I just log in for main raid and sell
gotta not play until bfa
exotic glen
same, cant wait for prepatch
spare cloud
so i can nerd it without getting exhausted
marble hemlock
?
spare cloud
I would be up for it
lone junco
I sleep now.
spare cloud
but I am not getting reinvited to our discord
lone junco
It's been good.
old sphinx
oh yeah, what happened to naya ?
spare cloud
He left when saber got unbanned
still not sure if saber got banned or left
apparently his ban isn't in the auditlog
don said it wasnt in the auditlog
exotic glen
still dont know wtf happened with saber
spare cloud
but stjern said he was banned
exotic glen
asked 1 mil times
spare cloud
so confusing
Just go on tank chat
search for
saber "nigga"
get like 10000 results
that should give you an idea
old sphinx
is he even black ?
exotic glen
lmfao
spare cloud
no he's french
lone junco
He was mentally unstable.
old sphinx
....
exotic glen
why does it matter if hes black or not
spare cloud
I mean being french I can understand him being mentally unstable
yeah right
because that makes it less racist
If they insult themselves
exotic glen
the word is either acceptable or not
lone junco
Saber was always toxic.
old sphinx
@exotic glen > Just go on tank chat
search for
saber "nigga"
get like 10000 results
spare cloud
it's just stupid in general
old sphinx
that's why I asked
exotic glen
you cant just say these people are allowed to do this
viscid helm
jovial kite
spare cloud
nobody should be allowed to use it ๐คท
jovial kite
๐ฅ
old sphinx
dc really, as long as i don't use it im fine
exotic glen
its a pretty horrible double standart
jovial kite
im 12
jovial kite
no im 12
old sphinx
viscid helm
old sphinx
hey, that's not right
spare cloud
How does math work again?
old sphinx
dk, I had a window seat during class
spare cloud
I never had math in school
exotic glen
german schools
old sphinx
@exotic glen applys to swiss schools too
spare cloud
exotic glen
i just said german because thats where toph is from
old sphinx
so ? still applies ๐
spare cloud
No but like
except for learning english and learning to write/read
school was literally useless for me, it does nothing for my studies
exotic glen
its practically a daycare where you learn to interact with people
old sphinx
casually scrolling through wcl when suddenly
exotic glen
?
old sphinx
why no r1 pls ?
spare cloud
hunger of the pack with bracers shoulders
spare cloud
I know
exotic glen
GOML
spare cloud
Idk I suck too hard to get good logs
im happy with the bfa changes
less room for mistakes when you suck
exactly my type of game
old sphinx
looking at top logs now adays....
exotic glen
any changes in particular you're thinking about toph?
spare cloud
like there being only 1 boss where r1 logs arent shoulders bracers says a lot about the viable builds
for parsing that is
one less button without kingsbane
@exotic glen
less to think about
old sphinx
makes me sad and to see KB leave
exotic glen
not today i think, omw to gym in a bit
spare cloud
lame
spare cloud
I said I was at work and I'd join when im home
Not my fault you missed that line
that was essential to my statement
abstract thunder
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
old sphinx
pm me link I won't let you down 
exotic glen
well im not streaming today so
old sphinx
spare cloud
watching those smithing videos
I'm rethinking my career choice
but then i realize I would suck hard as a smith probably
echo estuary
smithing level? keepo
spare cloud
im doing monkey madness later today
echo estuary
when even TOPH rerolls runescape -- you know wow is a ded game
spare cloud
Not really I'm not that focused on 1 game
and I want to see how much progress I can make until bfa releases
from scratch
keen inlet
spare cloud
You've been in offtopic for like 30 minutes
and now is the time you decide to get us to migrate?
fallow estuary
Whats your ilvl/sim dps Toph?
marble hemlock
potato
zealous dew
tato
jovial kite
taters ๐ฅ
solar willow
The kid from the pic looks like morty though
exotic glen
because you just made one
marble hemlock
yeah, didnt want to make everyone else feel uncomfortable with not knowing what happened
marble hemlock
i mean im not gonna get a notification for a new message when i wrote it myself ><
there was something here, and its not here anymore
solid nova
@marble hemlock Notification
marble hemlock
thanks
exotic glen
๐
steep obsidian
I tested an emote on phone but put it in here accdientally and then deleted it
you didnt miss anything
proud gust
Should I be using kingsbane right after envenom? Or use at 4CP then envenom?
jovial kite
Xaethron resurrection when
exotic glen
in about 23 hours
marble hemlock
you dont really want to use it at 4cp, since kingsbane can give you between 1-3cp depending on how it crits @proud gust
exotic glen
should extend the ban to 3 days in order to come full circle tho
marble hemlock
ideally you have 2-3CP, use kingsbane, then envenom
if its up and youre already at 4cp, you will want to envenom and then kb+muti after
the important part is having up envenom/surge of toxins close to 100% during the kingsbane
fallow estuary
Guy in my shop just stole about 30x Wow 2 Month Gametime cards
Bet hes one of you guys - Rogue main
fallow estuary
Unfornuatly for him the cards arent active without a transaction
Nah
Was in the storage room and when i came out they were gone
manic vigil
fallow estuary
Prob. Outlaw - Boy isnt smart enough for sub
exotic glen
take a look at the security cameras
fallow estuary
We only have fakes :,D
fallow estuary
Yea
marble hemlock
you still lose some money on those, or how exactly does that work?
fallow estuary
No Idea, am just a student whos jobbing at gamestop
I told my Store Manager and he shrugged it off
proper karma
those cards usually have cost of 1 cent
keen inlet
(also, lol @ thinking un-activated gift cards/time cards/etc have value)
zealous dew
this offtopic police...
jovial kite
missing beard and eyepatch
cant relate and therefore cant comply to joses demands based on this picture
marble hemlock
i like that
zealous dew
he's wearing the police mask in that picture
zealous dew
call it a disguise
stone dragon
Does stat priority change when it comes to mythic+? Over all damage(for dungeon) from first to 4th: Deadly Poison, Envenom, (poison bomb), Rupture.
If I wanted to break 2m-2.5m per M+ would I just prioritize more mastery over Crit?
2B-2.5B**
marble hemlock
stat prio for aoe is mastery>vers>agi>crit, since crit heavily devalues on aoe once you are able to basically have unlimited resources
stone dragon
Is there a instanced u'd want to vanish a poison bomb ? IE, pulling all ads leading to boss?
sharp viper
Ideally you want several different sets for m+, speed, trash aoe, st, ...
marble hemlock
if you have multiple gearsets, its advisable to vanish for poisonbombs, yes
you can usually play a singletarget legendary setup that doesnt have shoulders and still sim almost the same
so you can afford to vanish on trash instead
sharp viper
Mantle + cloak into vanish + set change
marble hemlock
technically its possible, unfortunately it rarely works
since any damage you deal puts you back into combat immediately
so any poison or bleedtick does it, and since you usually vanish for bombs, the issue just gets even worse
stone dragon
If anyone has time for a log analysis, greatly appreciated. Character: Pwrbottomdps
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QZF74hHDnqAVjdRb#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=17
marble hemlock
wasted a bunch of combopoints (non-crit ones too), fairly low envenom/vp uptime, garrote dropped during the second weapon-spawn and you didnt reapply for a while, opener is a little messed up since you used vendetta after using tb/kb, so neither one of them got the 30% damage increase bonus
only 2 vanish in a 4min30 fight
exotic glen
only 2 envenoms during shoulders window
marble hemlock
yeah, both vanishes only had 2 envenoms
so basically
some unclean gameplay, overcapping CP on occasion, not playing a clean opener, stuff like that
exotic glen
also saved toxic blade to be used before every kingsbane
just use both cooldowns on cooldown
marble hemlock
with that low of an envenom uptime, i wouldnt even say thats a bad thing
hard to say
but if you do save TB for every KB; cast it during the last 9seconds of it, not before
so yeah, pay more attention to when youre at 4CP so you dont accidentally cast yet another mutilate, which will lead to a better envenom uptime, and get a weakaura that yells at you when your cooldowns, most importantly vanish and vendetta, are back up again
strange python
but if you do save TB for every KB; cast it during the last 9seconds of it, not before there's actually a few top logs that use tb into kb only
that I've looked it.
I know it's better to use both of cooldown but I swear every other top log I look at does something fancy with their tb and kb
warm parcel
And that stil ldoesnt make it right
strange python
of course, I get that
marble hemlock
its not the optimal way to play, but when youre already struggling to keep up decent envenom times, you dont want to use TB on CD imo
plain thistle
the difference is minimal, and you need to consider the fight lenght, because TB on CD can lead to more uses of TB during the fight
marble hemlock
since youre either gonna have massive issues with KB/envenom uptimes, or only cast like 1 envenom during TB
strange python
or you could just pool before tb
marble hemlock
so syncing them might be worth it as a short-term solution to the envenom issues
sure, but if youd do that, you wouldnt have low envenom uptimes to begin with
cold rampart
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signal grotto
how big of a dps upgrade are the bis leggos usually?
hoary copper
All of our leggos for the most part (except maybe cloak) are pretty close so should be a decent upgrade
signal grotto
gotcha, atm ive got no leggos, but coming from a class where bis is required to do shit, so just wondered. thanks~!
timid plume
I mean I am doing just fine with Prydaz/KJBW
zealous dew
๐ฎ
hoary copper
Neither of those are really "rogue" leggos tho, those are ones everyone has (and generally not good)
I mean helm/boots/bracers/shoulders
marble hemlock
yeah, the top 4 legendaries are all fairly close in value
timid plume
Doesnt make them less Rogue leggos ๐
hoary copper
doesnt make them good (or prydaz/kjbw)
timid plume
well do have helm but lose 4 set :/
hoary copper
Well getting the other pieces shouldnt be too bad
timid plume
nah
Have to find a new guild came back after 3 months break everyone just scattered elsewhere
blazing ocean
hello, can i evade M argus scythes? the ones that go across the room in p3
marble hemlock
yes
what you do is you look at the first set of scythes that spawned, and look where they are going to fly, and pick a safe spot
and once theyre through, you just change your position to one of the spots (you can still see a little animation of where they travelled) where the first scythes intersected, which is a safezone for the second set
blazing ocean
hmm i meant can we use the ability 'Evasion' to completely negate the mechanic
spare cloud
No
blazing ocean
okie, tah
spare cloud
You have to evade it yourself
blazing ocean
lovely
marble hemlock
nope, you have to manually dodge it
the only way to remove the debuff, is to get a blessing of protection from a paladin
fiery nest
You can use evasion on scythes
You have to be facing the direction it's coming from though
blazing ocean
100%?
fiery nest
Yes
blazing ocean
alright i'll give it a go now
lost horizon
^ can confirm
marble hemlock
wut, i was not aware of that. neat.
fiery nest
Another one might clip u from the side so it's a bit dangerous
lost horizon
You can also use the shadowstep evasion but it's a much smaller window
marble hemlock
i mean unless you stand on one of the intersections of 2 scythes, you should only get hit by one anyway
fiery nest
Yea and the will make you not face it
lost horizon
The sets of scythes in p3 make a right angle, face your character into the corner where the lines meet and you're good
fiery nest
The step
lost horizon
Depends where boss is facing
You have time to turn after step
But it's really tight
lost horizon
I've only been ballsy with sstep evasion in p2
elfin shard
is the opener/rotation section in the guide up to date
marble hemlock
yes
elfin shard
thanks
marble hemlock
not bad
strange python
from a mythic 0?
safe tiger
?
strange python
oh
marble hemlock
for singletarget its still not bad
strange python
it's up there yea
marble hemlock
depends a lot on the boss obviously, whether you can constantly get double-hits off
i never much liked specter as assa
marble hemlock
for m+ its shit
since you cant use it on pull because you have to swap it in from your aoe-gear
marble hemlock
so its on a 30sec cd when you pull boss
since you will most likely vendetta on pull, if you dont vanish on pull, youll line up your vanish with your next vendetta, which means you may get the first double-hit of the trinket into your vanish ~1m10s into the fight, but im not sure if its worth at that point
and if you vanish on pull, you wont be using it a second time during the bossfight, so none of your specter hits will be during shoulder-buff, so i feel its pretty meh for m+
safe tiger
yeah, trying to remember how to use it in sub correctly
if its worth holding it for symbols
lethal heart
for shadow dance
safe matrix
for sub just basically bind it into shadow dance
dire spoke
using spect in 2k18
flint pelican
any current theorycraft on BFA beta talents?
supple hearth
Probably very little since number tuning still needs to happen and will probably be all over the place even at launch.
But everyone who has beta is probably feel crafting
plain thistle
feelycraft the best craft ๐
spare cloud
Jhonwei sb when
plain thistle
๐คฆ
civic palm
Nah it's just a neat passive talent.
Something else would probably have been even less interesting.
flint pelican
less interesting is fine
if I wanted to play slot machines, i'd play slot machines
civic palm
Nah the passive row is rather throw-away, least it's neat but doesn't allow for giant swings in DPS.
Nah, it procs enough, the damage is just rather poor.
supple hearth
@spare cloud soon tm
flint pelican
I mean the increased proc rate for lower damage is certainly an improvement, but its still heavier on rng than what is typically desirable
civic palm
and since it doesn't scale with anything other than Attack Power (IIRC), they can actually increase the damage without it going completely out of fucking control.
flint pelican
does it not scale with mastery anymore?
civic palm
It might.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Can test it easily enough.
Gimme a couple of minutes.
IF THE SERVERS WERE UP
mmmUpdate
@flint pelican Some results...
Poison Bomb with this on and off...
on ^^^
off ^^^
spare cloud
Why would it suddenly not scale with mastery anymore
spare cloud
Did i hear IU?
civic palm
You can.
dire spoke
Yeah we read the News
spare cloud
Zempai has become arrogant since hes titanslayer
civic palm
some things are labeled differently as well.
dire spoke
I don't talk to whitenames anymore ๐ช
spare cloud
Me too
viral vapor
Racist
civic palm
Yo could I get a number crunch on this?
spare cloud
What rules?
civic palm
Fucking 1071?!
exotic glen
dont say the a-word
dire spoke
Banjo
exotic glen
ok
spare cloud
Anus?
exotic glen
you got me
spare cloud
Argonic?
exotic glen
argentina?
spare cloud
Dont say argonic guys
exotic glen
australia, it has to be australia
spare cloud
Ausfria
civic palm
Wooooooooooooooooo
exotic glen
o fuck mizerok
spare cloud
Yaaaaay
exotic glen
hype train
civic palm
Yeah and with Subterfuge you have a very good 3 target opener.
spare cloud
Makes you overcap with mut
spare cloud
Shitgame
civic palm
I do wonder if it stacks at all though.
Hope it doesn't, just so you have some flexibility.
and it's not all garrote traits.
I lost some Crit O _O
spare cloud
Garotte gives 5 cp applies max rupture and does the same dmg as mut while giving same cp
When done
dire spoke
Just Play DS
civic palm
Like... 4%... hmmm