assassination

[shy orbit]

ikr

[spare cloud]

I had a 2,6M Try on Kin'garoth before third add today

then we wiped

[shy orbit]

mythic ?

[spare cloud]

No hc

I am not into mythic yet

[exotic glen]

lmao

[shy orbit]

i do more dps in mythic than hc

[spare cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2JMzCkDdRXrbPLpc#fight=8 @exotic glen

unlucky

[exotic glen]

german logs ew

[spare cloud]

Just translate

sorry

[exotic glen]

tell ur guy to get his shit together

[spare cloud]

I don't even know who uploads them

[exotic glen]

also that pb dmg HMMMMMM

[spare cloud]

Had at least 1 in every vanish

[exotic glen]

i fucked up our last kin attempt by forgetting to use boots instead of bracers

[spare cloud]

Would've probably been top 10

[exotic glen]

it sucked because i was on the good add as well

[spare cloud]

if that try went through

and killtime was alright

[exotic glen]

eh think so?

kingaroth logs are pretty bonkers

[shy orbit]

i never use boots xD

[spare cloud]

top is 3,2

actually

[exotic glen]

no top is 3

[spare cloud]

yeah

and that one was cheesed

rest is like 2,8

[exotic glen]

i can see why you're a pleb

LUL

[spare cloud]

Sorry I was checking hc xD

had that in mind

3,2 is top for hc

[exotic glen]

🤔

everyone on kingaroth is using bracers shoulders

[spare cloud]

top logs are

[exotic glen]

yeah but idk why

bracers suck

[spare cloud]

Shoulders bracers still have highest high

🤷

[exotic glen]

highest high?

[sour wraith]

lots of pb bombs in execute is a lot of damage with bacers

[spare cloud]

Thanks

[exotic glen]

yeah but you dont realise kingaroth execute is like cut in half

[shy orbit]

highest high ??!

[exotic glen]

because of adds

[shy orbit]

i am just too lazy to switch gear and stuff

[fast nacelle]

the day i check ravenholdt and wont see one toph comment in #assassination is the day i ll cut off one of my balls

[sour wraith]

but if you get the adds in execute while they're still charging that should make up for the lost execute on the main boss

[manic vigil]

[exotic glen]

reeeeeeeeeee

but your fakking cds have run out by then

[spare cloud]

can't cut off what is already gone 🤷

[exotic glen]

because you burst on spawn

[spare cloud]

Eww

[exotic glen]

tyrarolls

[manic vigil]

[exotic glen]

is toph lying about being a guy

btw

[spare cloud]

[manic vigil]

[shy orbit]

y use the grill emotes then ?

[exotic glen]

i need to know

[fast nacelle]

he's a chubby young guy

[exotic glen]

lmao

[spare cloud]

please use the correct pronouns

[manic vigil]

Fuck off

[spare cloud]

[civic palm]

So just close your eyes?

[spare cloud]

only if you get fucked

[civic palm]

Pretty simple.

[fast nacelle]

can you shift this conversation to #off-topic please. this is an assa only channel provided with high quality content to improve assa gameplay

[manic vigil]

ecksdee

[spare cloud]

Nice delete

[manic vigil]

the po po arrived

[civic palm]

Some 🔨 is here.

[spare cloud]

Why though

[civic palm]

Being a 🔨

[exotic glen]

me am sorry

[civic palm]

#off-topic and tired?

[exotic glen]

pls no ban

[civic palm]

Mmm, the hidden hammer.

[fast nacelle]

btw assa on raidtest was weird today

[civic palm]

?

Weird?

[manic vigil]

no educational discussions allowed

[fast nacelle]

yes

[spare cloud]

Arms raidtest was fun

[fast nacelle]

its so slow

[spare cloud]

Arms does good st damage

[fast nacelle]

sometimes

[spare cloud]

[fast nacelle]

but with this new execute talent its not that bad

[spare cloud]

How does outlaw play btw

[fast nacelle]

idk ask me without 200ms and 6% packet loss

[civic palm]

lol

[spare cloud]

[fast nacelle]

seems alright with loaded dice and mfd

[spare cloud]

Arms doesn't have any cds anymore

[fast nacelle]

but kinda bullshit after your double buff expires

[spare cloud]

so you can't complain about them having a gcd

[fast nacelle]

you got so long on AR

[civic palm]

Don't talk about OTL the 🔨 might be around.

[fast nacelle]

vigor and snd prob better on longer fight durations than ptr mythic testing

[spare cloud]

Unholy seems decent

atm

[fast nacelle]

with rtb u r gucci for the doublebuff and then hf 1 1/2 min without another AR

unholy xDD

25k dps

[civic palm]

UHDK gonna get the fucking 🔨

[fast nacelle]

25% pet 20% AA

[exotic glen]

cant wait for bfa to actually roll around and force us into 1 cookie cutter spec instead of all of them being either viable or interesting

[spare cloud]

I'm pretty sure arms will do literally no damage until execute

[exotic glen]

as it happens ever expac cycle

[fast nacelle]

uh aa's currently do nearly same dmg like all my dmg sources together

[spare cloud]

yesterday execute hit for like 30k on the adds

[civic palm]

Was gonna say, you are play what is best anyway, wtf does that matter?

[spare cloud]

but before then pure st you do like

8k dps

[fast nacelle]

uh did 700k dmg with aa

i did 570k with all my shit

[civic palm]

25k Envenoms though 👌

[spare cloud]

Army of the dead autoattack

gargoyle autoattack

• normal dk autoattack

= 1m dmg when other guys do 500k

[fast nacelle]

well.. there will be at least 5 balancing patches before we hit new raid in bfa

so w/e

[spare cloud]

autoattack scaling is on point atm

[civic palm]

Yeah

TONS of time

[spare cloud]

3 months

[exotic glen]

cant wait for that AA dmg increase ring

[spare cloud]

then 1 month till raid releases

and then 1 week into the raid

where they fix stuff

[fast nacelle]

assa feels slow.. outlaw feels slow.. but comparing bfa rogue in beta to end of an expansion with all traits and secondary stat scaling isnt rly good comparision aswell

so we will see

[civic palm]

Yeah the Legion ~> BFA comparisons are not great atm

[exotic glen]

imo the pre-raid expac feels the most fun

[spare cloud]

Warrior is like 1/3 the amount of apm than it was in the beginning of legion

[exotic glen]

just running around doing dongers all the time

[fast nacelle]

i think assa will be alright.. kitwise

[exotic glen]

i just hope blindside will be good

[fast nacelle]

sad they just removed shit and didnt add anything new (rip KB)

[spare cloud]

assa seems good on sustained aoe

really good

[exotic glen]

would be nice with an actual proc to react to and another button to press

[civic palm]

ENV also might get a little silly once we've better Mastery numbers.

[fast nacelle]

outlaw without dreadblades is meh aswell

[spare cloud]

seen some logs of rogues doing like 18-20k dps on yesterdays test

with yesterdays i mean that zek crab guy

that spawns like 15 adds after a minute

[exotic glen]

i played sub on that

new talent was loads of fun

[spare cloud]

assa was really sick there

[civic palm]

Troll > All

_>

[exotic glen]

why tho

crimson tempest?

[fast nacelle]

new sub talent seems cool

[exotic glen]

its really good

[fast nacelle]

it gives you 1 cp per hit target

so you can basically do evis after every sstorm tick

if you have enough targets

[spare cloud]

Yes Crimson tempest

argonic

its like 35% dmg on the logs

[exotic glen]

i was ready for it to be a clunky spell or smthing and awkward to use

but it flowed really well

[fast nacelle]

i rly dont like that PB is our ST talent

[spare cloud]

pb does like nothing

[fast nacelle]

maybe we r lucky and crimson tempest will outscale

[exotic glen]

it isnt tho right?

[spare cloud]

its really really bad

[exotic glen]

i think hidden blades does more ST dps someone said

[spare cloud]

it does like 1% of your damage

[exotic glen]

pb?

[spare cloud]

Yeh

[exotic glen]

rip

[civic palm]

Even the lucky PBOMBs feel bad after you look at the meter.

[fast nacelle]

pb does no dmg atm yea

especially since u wont play with MP probably

[civic palm]

wtb MP scaling =\

[fast nacelle]

since mp+tb comb will be a scaling one

[exotic glen]

think ep is better?

[spare cloud]

but then again many classes have 1 row that are aoe talents and don't bring st at all

[civic palm]

I've been pushed into EP.

[fast nacelle]

i think third one is best

without gear

[spare cloud]

warrior has one row where you don't gain any single target damage at all

[exotic glen]

is that blindside

[civic palm]

Yeah

[fast nacelle]

yes

its cool

[civic palm]

It's quite good.

[fast nacelle]

25% chance on mut

you also skill -5 energy on mut

[exotic glen]

as i said i hope its gonna be best

[spare cloud]

blindside seems to be bad to be used in execute atm though

[exotic glen]

no its not toph

[fast nacelle]

and it costs 30 energy and does more dmg iirc

[civic palm]

Nah

[spare cloud]

from what I've see it is only used on procc

purely losing it seems like a loss

[civic palm]

Last I checked Blindside did a little under MUT.

[spare cloud]

over mutilating unless procc

[exotic glen]

theres a post in tc-research

[civic palm]

But the NRG cost wins.

[exotic glen]

no its better to press it now toph

in execute

[spare cloud]

It is

thats nice

yeah, I'm probably like 2 days behind

[exotic glen]

yea thank god

[spare cloud]

on rogue

[fast nacelle]

on 30% you just spam it right

its like old backstab execute

[exotic glen]

ya

[civic palm]

Into the fucking ground.

[exotic glen]

what was that called btw

[fast nacelle]

it was called backstab

🤔

[civic palm]

hahaha

[exotic glen]

???

really

[fast nacelle]

wotlk execute

iirc

[civic palm]

💩

[exotic glen]

im talking assa wod execute

[spare cloud]

wasnt it called blindside as well?

like in mop

[civic palm]

inb4 Dispatch

[fast nacelle]

wod lul

[exotic glen]

yeeeeeeeeeee dispatch

[spare cloud]

Oh dispatch yeah

[civic palm]

Which is now the OTL finisher > _>

[spare cloud]

it has the same icon as that spell

[civic palm]

Thanks Blizzard.

[spare cloud]

I think

[fast nacelle]

idk about OL finisher

i just use bte

[exotic glen]

otl got a new finisher?

[civic palm]

👌

[fast nacelle]

no

[exotic glen]

the fuck

[civic palm]

OTL got more renames.

That's all.

[fast nacelle]

i think you use bte and rt

[civic palm]

Saber Slash?

NOPE

[exotic glen]

omegalul

[civic palm]

Sinister Strike

[fast nacelle]

the buffs changed

some

[exotic glen]

SINISTER STRIKE

best name

[civic palm]

Yeah some of the new RTB changes are very nice.

Especially Shark

[spare cloud]

did you figure out what the buffs are named now btw tyra

[exotic glen]

like what, i didnt follow

[spare cloud]

[fast nacelle]

no

i just changed my wa's on the fly while testing

without reading what they do

cba.. it ll change anyway

they need to compensate if you have only one buff

LD is literly horeshit if you dont have TB

you have like 2 min of 1 buff gaming

until AR comes up again

[spare cloud]

such a huge variance spell will always be almost impossible to balance

[fast nacelle]

idk why they put alacrity and snd in one row

they still didnt make it baseline

[civic palm]

active vs. passive?

[fast nacelle]

they are mentally handycapped

[spare cloud]

Because you saw the boss mechanics

[exotic glen]

lul

[fast nacelle]

you need alacrity for rtb aswell

[spare cloud]

can't play them and press 1 button a second

[fast nacelle]

if they wont change LD

[spare cloud]

[fast nacelle]

else hf with 1 buff gaming

until AR comes up again

[exotic glen]

tyra was killing spree good on beta

i didnt play otl myself

[civic palm]

So this is the same -

[fast nacelle]

its like we didnt have legion which showed how bad rtb can be without energy

[fast nacelle]

KS did like 6% of the dmg

it felt rly bullshit..

[exotic glen]

god fucking dam it

[spare cloud]

If only Broadsides wasnt banned

[exotic glen]

i want it to be good, its such a cool spell

[fast nacelle]

best change

"broadsides to broadside"

[civic palm]

O_O

[exotic glen]

wow

seems like rtb is actually useful now

[spare cloud]

I mean 6% is fine for a cd

[fast nacelle]

inb4 we go early legion again

[fast nacelle]

TB or Shark

[spare cloud]

or what are the other choices?

[fast nacelle]

blade flurry curation increased

and this new talent

[spare cloud]

is shark crit?

[exotic glen]

yeah

[exotic glen]

was super bonkers in early legion

[spare cloud]

crit buffs always strong in the beginning

Yeah

[exotic glen]

like it was ridiculous

[spare cloud]

when you are lacking the crit stats they tune for low crit chance

Its the same for warrior

[fast nacelle]

KS is still cancer with positioning

[spare cloud]

it seems plain useless on some bosses

like ks on first boss

probably like 10 wipes cuz of that

if you chose to use it

[fast nacelle]

blade rush seems fine

but idk about the dmg

we'll see

idk why this tier has only aoe shit

like - why you have KS and BR

[spare cloud]

they seem to have done that for many classes

warrior did get an aoe row as well

[fast nacelle]

yes but its basically the same

one autism aoe makes you charge

the other one makes you have an epileptic issue

[spare cloud]

BR looks really bad when reading it tbh

Like in the situation where you would use it the cd makes it kinda useless

in burst aoe its like a one time

where ks probably does more

[fast nacelle]

probably

[spare cloud]

does ks scale with blade flurry?

[exotic glen]

used to at least

[spare cloud]

like the do the hits cleave

[fast nacelle]

yes

[spare cloud]

then definetly

[fast nacelle]

thats why i say

it doesnt make sense to have 2 of this kind

[spare cloud]

br seems more controlable though

[exotic glen]

canonball barrage was probably the worst spell they have ever designed

[spare cloud]

at least you dont lose control over your character for like 2,5 secs

[exotic glen]

literally mong-tier spell

[spare cloud]

What was that again

that aoe you put on the ground

[exotic glen]

place an aoe on the ground doing 0 dmg

[spare cloud]

and reset on kill

[exotic glen]

does it reset on kill?

[spare cloud]

It was strong for a time in the beginning i think

idk

[fast nacelle]

i d like to have a spinning pirate spell where you swirl around like the one DH ability in d3

[quick ice]

I don't think it reset

[exotic glen]

i never got any with it because it doesnt do dmg

so

[spare cloud]

I remember it was played for a short time

in like

nighthold

[fast nacelle]

and shoot with your guns everyone

[spare cloud]

for m+

[exotic glen]

certainly not by me

[fast nacelle]

you never played with cannon shit

lol.

[spare cloud]

then I remembered it wrong

wasnt sure 🤷

but a vengeance like spell would be cool

[fast nacelle]

dont even know in which tier it is

[spare cloud]

hard to balance though

[fast nacelle]

isnt it currently with alacrity and ks?

[spare cloud]

Yeh

[fast nacelle]

xdddddddddddddddd

picking cannon shit over alacrity xd

[spare cloud]

Was like on m+ with high trash density and non tyrannical

for trash burst 🤷

probably still sucked though

[fast nacelle]

xddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

i played 24+ keys in NH as outlaw you never used this shit

[exotic glen]

hope rogue will be good for m+ in bfa

[spare cloud]

I'm not even sure if it was nighthold, i don't even know if I played a rogue alt in nh

[fast nacelle]

you never played smth beside alacrity

[spare cloud]

Yeah well, could also be me remembering some meme build that was actually a troll 🤷

[exotic glen]

alacrity was just too good

and you never really dropped it

[spare cloud]

well I never really enjoyed outlaw

apart from leveling in the beginning where you did like 700k dps at level 105

[fast nacelle]

in votw i even played with grappling hook

to not drop alacrity inbetween bosses

alacrity was bae

[exotic glen]

aw yeah toph

olt lvling was insane

did super mong dmg in my dungeon group

[spare cloud]

double run through dmg because of archimonde trinket

[fast nacelle]

yeah otl is always bikk while lvling and first content (hc/m+0)

especially with your artefact ability

it was best for early legion

and BF and mfd were just too good aswell

[spare cloud]

I remember seing sims

[fast nacelle]

for dungeon content

[spare cloud]

where like outlaw was top dps overall

with shit rtb

[exotic glen]

oh yeah

[spare cloud]

and then with good rtb

[exotic glen]

those were good times

[spare cloud]

it was like so far ahead of everything

[exotic glen]

Kappa

[fast nacelle]

i rmb seeing ppl with bracer in EN

where bracer were 30% dmg boost

[spare cloud]

Yeah, I played warrior and didn't get gloves and ring until first content progress was over

[fast nacelle]

while i run around with heal pants

and traxxis

[spare cloud]

Warrior gained like 40k dps for each of those legendaries

[exotic glen]

i didnt get a dps lego until like my 4th or 5th

[spare cloud]

you weren't viable without them

simply unusable

[exotic glen]

i went heal pants > prydaz > sephuz

[spare cloud]

Oh yeah and the people that gambled for sub boots

[exotic glen]

uh something else i forgot

[spare cloud]

and got them

[fast nacelle]

outlaw legis were rough path for me

[spare cloud]

didn't you have every legendary by nighthold

on your rogue

[fast nacelle]

no

but i was lucky

when i joined alliance

i got boots and bracer in one id

[spare cloud]

Ah no, I forgot there was like that legendary "softcap"

[fast nacelle]

but i had good legos

insignia + traxxis for OL and boots + bracer for assa

[exotic glen]

according to blizzard there wasnt toph hahahaha

[fast nacelle]

traxxis wasnt rly good but not that bad either

[exotic glen]

but then suddenly there was

fuck me that was a special time

[fast nacelle]

anyway i need sleep

gn8

[quaint sequoia]

anyone got some beta WA's?

[spare cloud]

Yes

[ionic quail]

!GUIDES

!guide

[wise frigate]

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[plain thistle]

good bot

😃

[wise frigate]

@ionic quail ^

[marble hemlock]

on one hand i fucking hate maw, on the other hand its so fucking fun to dodge all that shit

[spare cloud]

also fun being dodged

🤷

[hasty spruce]

"...you gain an additional combo point per critical strike." Does this mean your main and off hand crit seperately, or is just badly worded?

[quick ice]

if you're referring to mutilate, then yes, MH and OH crit separately

kingsbane too

[hasty spruce]

Thanks 😃

[vapid moth]

Someone doesnt have the shoulders yet

[vapid moth]

hehe.. killing half the group in a 1 v 6 fight in underbelly

[nimble tartan]

what talents yall running to level in beefa

[vapid moth]

test it

[nimble tartan]

i found THE BUILD

[plain thistle]

OMG SHARE IT PLZ

[nimble tartan]

pls subscribe to my patreon

its under the 10k patron reward

[viscid helm]

Its not like there is a much choice lol

Blindside unusable

Have to run vigor

PB useless

[quick ice]

can you imagine how slow everything would be without vigor/VR?

[warm parcel]

You dont pick vigor

So yeah

Nor vr

[nimble tartan]

weak what r u SAYING

[stark heart]

VR

[warm parcel]

[viscid helm]

20apm class btw

[vivid bone]

Too fast

slow it down more plx

10apm 👌

[atomic grotto]

fun times

[deep inlet]

Hi, I got a question.. I am pretty new as assassination rogue.. I got 26% crit 9% haste 158% mastery & 17% vers <- these STATS are good right? I don't got the legendary shoulders or bracers YET! only the Insignia

[zealous dew]

the best answer is raidbots

[deep inlet]

alright, will check out that

[zealous dew]

keep working on gear, but tbh i'd just freeze for bfa

[deep inlet]

925 ilvl atm

@zealous dew I have PM'd you

[honest pelican]

when pickpocketing, is there a better way to deal with marin coins, instead of going back immediately, turning it in, then coming back to same npc pp the coin, turn it again

im nto sure what else to do at this point, i have like 50+ of those keys for sub/elder charms

i keep opening the gold boxes, ive got chest/helm artful dodging, how many more are there?

ive got like 4 vanish ones, 4 sprint ones just cuz they are handy

a couple thistle teas for world pvp

[shrewd night]

@jovial kite

ded chanz

[jovial kite]

Aye

[zealous dew]

ded game, ded expansion, ded universe

[vivid bone]

ded emotions

[warm parcel]

You hs to dala. And redo

Theres no better way

What are you even farming anymore?

[honest pelican]

[04:52 AM] [1] [Cleansed]: is [Illusion: Poisoned][Barrel of Bandanas][Barrel of Eyepatches] any of this worth it

i hear the illusion is too weak to see

the barrels seem fun though?

[shrewd night]

Bruh

Noone can answer this than you

[honest pelican]

after getting the final lamp, i can get like 300k coins in 30 mins

[shrewd night]

If you think its fun, get it, if not, dont.

🤷

[honest pelican]

your a fun lifeguard 😦

[shrewd night]

If you base your definition of fun on the opinions of other people, please take a picture of yourself with a shoe on your head and post it here. THAT is fun.

[honest pelican]

been there doe that, prob still on my imgur

i have this image though

[vivid bone]

pink or blue shoe though

[honest pelican]

won it + 6 of 8 BMAH containers earlier

havent opened containers yet, im hoping no tier crap, maybe a super rare mount, butim skeptical

[shrewd pine]

damn, gl, post results

[warm parcel]

[shrewd night]

Post the damned shoe picture

reeeeeee

[honest pelican]

i saw one of person getting sha mount, motivated me to start buying containers again when i get near gold cap

haha let me go look this woyuld be like 2013

ah sorry unfortunately its not there, imgur has been corrupting or having blank images in some older spots for some reason lately

[shrewd night]

Also

Why spend 500k on BMAH container

When there is a 5m mount in bfa

[shrewd pine]

if you are gold capped, you dont care lol

[vivid bone]

For Sauna Lifeguard 5mil is like gold cap

[shrewd night]

I just dont understand it really, they make all these steps to devalue gold

And then they put in all those gold sinks

[shrewd pine]

gold sinks are way to devalue gold

[vivid bone]

[shrewd pine]

because they take away gold from the overall economy

[shrewd night]

wat no

[shrewd pine]

but it's only slowing down the inflation in current state because you have way too many ways to earn gold from the enviroment

[shrewd night]

Goldsinks are a way to add value to gold, for the same reason you are pulling

Because gold is already inflated

to shit

[shrewd pine]

exactly and you reduce inflation by removing gold from economy

that is called deflation

[shrewd night]

Sharknado Therianek - Today at 11:04 AM
gold sinks are way to devalue gold

[shrewd pine]

oh yea

I worded that poorly

sorry

or rather used wrong term

way to increase value of gold by reducing its amount in economy

thank

[shrewd night]

There we go

[vivid bone]

Ok now kith

[shrewd night]

yeth

[shrewd pine]

is fisting good enough?

[shrewd night]

[vivid bone]

fist me daddy

[honest pelican]

im fine with gold sinks

the only one i regret was the 500k warframe

the spider for 2m was way more worth it

warframe is junk

also, if i hit goldcap, all i can do is buy pets that will be worth the same or more, and im nearly capped with 5 cubs, 4 soul traders etc

[shrewd pine]

warframe was cool, till I noticed how all weapons are clipping through and that was the end of it

[shrewd night]

Why have the warframe when you have the fel version from HFC

🤔

[shrewd pine]

cuz I didnt play WoD and dont have fel hfc

T_T

[drifting cosmos]

Are we talking about the 5m gold sink mount

Quite a big jump tbh, from 500k to 5mil

[autumn bloom]

i think if it's not executed right

it can really hurt the game

i think ultimately the repair mount was a bad thing

the more and more you remove the need to return to cities the more you depopulate them

[drifting cosmos]

But ppl will hearth and afk anyway

[shrewd pine]

Warframe wasnt the OG legion gold sink. It was spider mount on 2Mil. So jump from 2mil to 5mil aint that big

[drifting cosmos]

Plus they put npc questers there

Oh the spider mount was on legion?

Didn’t notice it before

Only heard ppl talking about it

Are those ppl from guilds that sell raid runs usually rich?

Like I mean have Cpl of mils in bag?

[quartz depot]

most of that usually goes to the guild bank

[nimble tartan]

depends on guild

[shrewd pine]

yea, what we were doing was fill out Gbank after progg was done to cover for consumables and then everything else went to us

[strange python]

top 100 US i know dont just feed the fbank

because they have such a long time on farm that majority goes to players almost instantly

[vapid moth]

This'll sound ignorant but isn't the guild bank only used to buy reagents and repairs

[shrewd night]

BOEs in the start, gems and pots depending on market

Yaknow

all that good stuff

Buying that regardless

For the m4d str33t cr3dz

[next grotto]

Ass or sub? Which is better now on bfa beta?

Assa*

[shrewd night]

Redundant question as tuning hasnt been done

[strange python]

i couldnt even push myself to get past the stupid undercity and silithus questlines on the beta

[vapid moth]

Man I didn't even do the silithus quest line in the current xpac

[strange python]

well it looks like you have to

[pulsar vector]

Mastery>= Crit

Thats greater then or equal to, right?

[exotic glen]

Yeah but crit can sim higher than mastery if you are low on it

So sim your stats for best results

[violet yew]

Discord needs a :tuning: pepe

[spare cloud]

Sims give you correct value 🤷

[exotic glen]

👀 toph

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/57f8e309da3b12942bd72746d26055ed

fucking baits man

[main storm]

Im simming myself and raidbot tells me that crit sims higher than masteries right now, i have 25% crit, i think i should aim at least 30% crit can u guys confirm this ?

[marble hemlock]

trust the sims

theres a few cases where crit is indeed more valuable than mastery, usually that "issue" quickly disappears after getting an item or two with crit, at which point mastery will be the thing you lust after again

[exotic glen]

just keep simming yourself after every upgrade and trust the sims

and you will be fine

[autumn bloom]

noob af question incoming

does vendetta break stealth

[strange python]

hi guys just checking quick whats the minimum mastery required for sin? im 960 and sitting at 150% mastery (not that high i know)

[exotic glen]

why dont you just go out and check neurotic?

it takes max 10 seconds

like ???????????

[sonic pine]

Hey guys any talks on sin in BFA? I want to main my rogue again

[exotic glen]

people are talking about bfa all the time

idk, try asking an actual question and you might get an answer

[sonic pine]

I know crimson tempest isn’t quite tuned but wondering if it can make sin destroy in AOE dungeons

[exotic glen]

@autumn bloom i can tell you that using vendetta doesnt break stealth, however your target will be able to see you and attack

[autumn bloom]

thanks

[exotic glen]

crimson tempest seems to do a fair bit of dmg, i dont think it "destroys" as much as other classes but its certainly a more consistent iteration of m+ sin than currently

[hoary copper]

@strange python there's no goal to reach for Mastery, its all based on other stats

I've had as much as 200% mastery and as low as 130% mastery (but more crit) so it depends on other stats. In the end trust your sim stat weights

[lean hill]

I'm poison build using mantle/bracers, mastery is like 190? Still highest stat weight by far

I have too much vers though

[hoary copper]

I had around there but crit became my highest because it was pretty low

now I'm in the 160% range with a bit more crit (still low)

[steep obsidian]

crimson tempest feels horrible on beta at least if you use fok as a builder can barely get enough cp to do many of them at least in crappy gear

[gleaming geyser]

Not enough crit%?

[steep obsidian]

yeah the stat squish is horrible at the start

but even at like 305 ilvl it still sucks

probably be ok at like 340

you level to 110 with like single digit % in everything

[gleaming geyser]

Hopefully it gets better for first week of raiding

Single digit monkaS

[marble hemlock]

would also help to have the charcopy available at some point so you could atleast play at lv110 with decent stats to get a feel of how things play

[exotic glen]

i dont mind a template char if i just had no inputlag 😦

thats why i dont like beta

everything just feels shit even if it isnt

[steep obsidian]

yeah beta is also 200 ping for me so that is against it too just makes it feel much worse

so its probably not fair im trashing it as much as i am

the dungeons seem reall melee unfriendly too in general

[marble hemlock]

well

thats what happens when servers are across the ocean :<

[steep obsidian]

there is some trash in tal dagor where i literally have to afkbehind bosses until all the ranged kill some mobs

yeah i get that

[marble hemlock]

was fun back in the day when you were playing on a tournament server for pvp and had like 200ms

[steep obsidian]

like after playing mage even in shit gear whereim goin bam bam bam doin decent dmage rogue feel like you afk

[tight garden]

Hey guys, do you know where I could find a WA that announces Poison Bombs? Just so my tank know he shouldn't RUN AWAY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL when it procs.

Theeenks.

[hoary copper]

Check wago.io though I dont know of a lot of people that use them because they don't necessarily change game play and can be kinda annoying.

[steep obsidian]

nothing wrong with using one of your tank thinks it will be useful

i'd turn it off in pugs though

[tight garden]

Well I've seen a couple of rogues with it, it's always useful to know when that poor piece of class design procs.

Plus it doesn't proc that much 😄

[fiery nest]

If i was tanking in a pug and kept seeing that I would purposefully move when I saw it

[lean hill]

PB announcements are so annoying. Many rogues have been ignored

I forget, one PB = how many hits in logs?

[plain thistle]

6

1 every 0.5s, last for 3s

[lean hill]

Damn is that it? So 36 hits I only had 6 bombs. But it was like 15% of damage

[plain thistle]

🤷

[fiery nest]

If they hit during certain windows they're gonna do a ton of dmg

[plain thistle]

poison bomb during shoulder or during TB+vendetta hits like a truck

[fiery nest]

Ya

[lean hill]

They must have all been in the second vanish since I spiked to over 10mil lol

[stark heart]

Imagine PB not being significant portion of your damage

[lean hill]

Wont need to in a few months!

[dusky fulcrum]

The opener guide on ravenholdt.net doesnt show any opener for without shoulders and with nightstalker talent, but i suspect its the same one as if you had subterfuge?

[strange python]

Nope, you would want to vanish > rupture without shoulders

When in doubt you can check to see what your simulation does.

[dusky fulcrum]

ah, alright

[strange python]

If you have a lot of crit your simulation might still vanish envenom,

[dusky fulcrum]

ye im at 45% crit unbuffed >.>

[lean hill]

Subterfuge would be better than nightstalker without shoulders in most cases?

[strange python]

I remember reading a post that said both talents essentially provide the same damage increase

[lean hill]

Dont think I've taken the shoulders off since I got them a year+ ago lol

[dusky fulcrum]

well i just started playing rogue again 12-13 days ago so my only legendaries i got are sadly not the bis ones 😛

[lean hill]

You've at least got a lot of crit

[dusky fulcrum]

i got more crit than mastery ,which is a shame D: so far i've had 3 resets in antorus but my coins just reward me with haste gear 😛 this is my latest sim ; https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3wx93SCz9hjh7ksuc1s1aX

even spent 180k on the bracers a few days ago cuz i just couldnt get ones without haste ^^

[strange python]

Hmm, well at least you have 4 piece

[dusky fulcrum]

ye! thank god 😛 im currently doing agg-argus runs in hc to try and coin a better ilvl tier head and maybe get better shadow relic. is that correct or is there a boss with better % for upgrade?

[lean hill]

Ew.

20% haste lol

[dusky fulcrum]

ye, sadly 3 +15 chests a row contained main statted haste gear

[lean hill]

Theres only a few relics with proper traits in antorus

[dusky fulcrum]

and a 970 chain just cant be beat by 925 ilvl necks 😛

ye my goal is to try and push alot more m+ once i get down to 0 reroll seals

still have 4 more thanks to nether disruptor

[lean hill]

Your dps should go up a decent amount once you can swap those haste pieces

[dusky fulcrum]

the chest will be biggest impact, cause it carries huge ammount of secondary stats 😛

i'd love a tier chestpiece

[hoary copper]

Im 955, and sim 1844867 with slightly different gearing for reference

Using shoulder/bracers in sim

Ive only run hc (not even whole thing) twice -.-

[lean hill]

If you can ever find runs of mythic guilds smashing heroic you can get some decent stuff. I gave someone a 950 chest the other day

[hoary copper]

Everyone wants 965 and aotc these days for heroic

[lean hill]

This is why I take alts on the quick heroics, not worth my time getting declined since all the good parses and gear are on the main

[dusky fulcrum]

i dont really struggle with pugging at all

sure sometimes the groups suck, but i dont feel i get massively declined

the earlier you join a group the bigger chance u have of getting into one

[lean hill]

Yea that's true

[dusky fulcrum]

look for grps with 3-5 ppl

[lean hill]

Melee aren't filled up yet

[dusky fulcrum]

ye

even tho antorus is melee hate, there's way more melee than ranged it feels

[lean hill]

I think more people play melee

[dusky fulcrum]

https://gyazo.com/ac3159d992eca806be3b0cceac0b03cd this is my current pug for vari heroic on EU

[safe matrix]

if you're melee

you can jump

[dusky fulcrum]

count the melee

lol

[safe matrix]

while doing your abilities

[lean hill]

That's why I can't play range. I cant stand still

I'm moving back and forth the whole fight

[dusky fulcrum]

ranged is underpowered cause they cannot press spacebar

bro u should see my old video

1 sec

[keen inlet]

Don't self promo in here, DM it

[dusky fulcrum]

ye ofc!

[keen inlet]

we got rules

👍

[hoary copper]

I get declined but I dont have aotc

[strange python]

What the hell is that

[hoary copper]

police bear

[rancid verge]

sexy

[strange python]

I used to watch cartoons of little dancing polar bears as a child and they were terrifying

[amber delta]

So trying to work on increasing my dps... would anyone mind taking a look at my logs and see where I need to focus to improve?

[steep obsidian]

I'm sure someone will look at them, expect a roast if you obviously haven't read the pinned guide 😛

but a roast will have constructive parts in it 😃

[strange python]

sure

[amber delta]

Oh I know I'm a bad ass rogue

Um... that came out wrong.

You know what I mean <. <

[steep obsidian]

its fine we aren't scary

[amber delta]

Well I just DMed it to Connor but I can post here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/33609326/latest

(Still feel like I'm breaking some rule posting this here but if that's the case I'll remove it ^-^)

[hoary copper]

no rules broken

[steep obsidian]

i was being sarcastic

its really fine man

[keen inlet]

That's fine lol

logs are fine

[steep obsidian]

just was preparing you to get roasted coz it sometimes happens whensomeone is pressing random buttons

[amber delta]

It was mainly me thinking "what would be the most annoying thing I'd see if I modded a class server.... logs. Logs would be really annoying. Ban."

[steep obsidian]

some people actually enjoy lookin at them

oh your gear kinda sucks 😛

[eager haven]

Yeah you need that t21 4 piece. Also try and get 3 MA relics. Need shoulders and bracers too 😬

[steep obsidian]

you actually do better at pooling energy then a lot of geared players logs I've seen

[dusky fulcrum]

just did 1.69 mil dps on vari hc, that's alright with a 1.74 sim dps patchwerk style right? 😛

coined AP 😦

[hoary copper]

On mobile buuuttt a.) Get gear, mastery crit and verse in that order preferrably), your opener needs work?

God mobile sucks

[eager haven]

Lol yeah scrolling thru timeline on a phone is 💩

[hoary copper]

Garrote -> Mut -> Rupture - Vendetta -> KB -> TB -> Mut -> Vanish -Rupture (without shoulders)

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[hoary copper]

read that

Its your new bible, use it to thump people and commit it to memory

[normal plover]

pooling energy is the only fun part of assassination

[strange python]

poison bomb during opener is fun

[steep obsidian]

@amber delta you are muting at 4cp a bit, also remember that tb gives 2 cp when it crits and kingsbane up to 3 when it all crits it not hurting you too bad coz your gear blows rn but it will become more of an issue

[wild bane]

Hey, is there a crit cap for assa or should I just go by stat weights?

[strange python]

stat weights

[wild bane]

allright. thanks.

[amber delta]

Thanks for the input ^-^ I've noticed I get input lag sometimes and end up double mutilating when I have 2cps which makes me over cap cp annoyingly. The gear I had a feeling was super bad lol only been 110 for a week (not boosted and had no boa pieces so been grabbing what I can to get into places). And of course the only Lego the game gave me so far was sephuz lol

The opening I've got written down now to start practicing when I get home so much appreciated :)

Was also under the impression I needed to use tb at the last 9 seconds of kingsbane in order to super charge the heavier dots of that so thanks for the correction :)

So now I know what I need to do this weekend. Replace a lot of gear to get that mast even higher and get into the habit of reapplying my bleeds before tb is coming up

[steep obsidian]

drop that trinket asap 😛

an 880 mastery stat stick is probably a lot better then gorshalachs for sin especially on st

literally any trinket but that one

[amber delta]

I think that trinket actually was used to replace that level 102 trinket I had that summons the fireball throwing worm thing lol

[hoary copper]

yea I meant to say that earlier but someone showed up 2 hours for a meeting and expected me to drop everything

[normal plover]

that asshole

[hoary copper]

ikr

Welcome to my world. Im expected to bow down and drop everything for everyone else

[amber delta]

Well @hoary copper, thanks for bowing down and dropping everything to critique my log :)

[strange python]

@vapid moth did you ever fix your battlenet issue

[vapid moth]

fixed itself i guess

[strange python]

haha

[spare cloud]

Xaethron ban when?

[echo estuary]

what filthy piece of shit did xaethron do this time

[jade forge]

is poison considered magic damage?

[strange python]

yes

[jade forge]

okie thanks! so gnawed thumb ring is good for sin rogue

[strange python]

it is very good

[safe matrix]

it is 🍓 good

[drifting crypt]

it also affects physical dmg, thats just a tooltip error

[jade forge]

thanks guys

is there a guide specific for m+?

i found a raiding guide in pins

[drifting cloud]

not much changes for assa in m+ unless youre hardcore minmax

same talents, shoulders/bracers

[jade forge]

okie

[cerulean tulip]

[hoary copper]

Eh

[exotic glen]

[lone junco]

why is the ptr up with character copy, if it isnt pre patch.

ugh 😦

[strange python]

beta has character copy?

[lone junco]

PTR

[strange python]

🤔

[lone junco]

it updated, so i logged in

I actually got excited for a second. Myb

[rose sapphire]

Hey guys, maybe of topic, suddenly I started /say when I interrupt dno what causes it, checked ElvUI and it isnt, I do not use any specific addon either. Any tips?

[strange python]

I'm actually pretty sure ElvUI does that.

ElvUI -> General -> Announce Interrupts dropdown

[manic vigil]

he said he checked it though

[strange python]

I guess that can be interpreted in two ways

[manic vigil]

idk

[rose sapphire]

Already checked that, thought it aswell, but it is on none..

It kind a just appeared suddenly

[strange python]

Try turning it on and seeing if you get double /say

[dire spoke]

👀

[strange python]

I'm not sure where you can 'practice' interrupts, I guess find some random caster

[rose sapphire]

Gonna try that Connor and see what happens

Dno if it works in duels 😛

[dire spoke]

it's bigwigs

[rose sapphire]

Dont use it, I use DBM, is there an option there?

[strange python]

DBM -> Options -> 'DMB Global Disables and Filters' -> 'Do not sent chat yells' is what I can find

[rose sapphire]

Ye found it aswell, but does it disable all warnings/texts like in raids etc?

[strange python]

Not sure, I don't have it selected and I don't notice an interrupt announce

[civic palm]

Could be Details! as well, but that's an Opt-In IIRC.

[rose sapphire]

Found it in Details was unchecked lol 😛 anyways thank u guys

[civic palm]

Fff

[rose sapphire]

LOL FOUND IT

BD CORE

announced it

[dense blaze]

What level 60 talent would y'all recommend for a Chosen run if I just want to live?

Using Prydaz/Pants

[civic palm]

mmm, what module of bdCore was doing the announcements? @rose sapphire

CD, odds of death from attrition is low.

[royal lantern]

cheat death and dont stand in shit

[civic palm]

CD to cover the mistakes of not only yourself but the other dorks in the raid no soaking things or being in the right place makes the most sense.

[dense blaze]

That is what I was thinking

[rose sapphire]

/bd config -> General -> Announce Interrupts

@civic palm

[civic palm]

mmm, was the actual Core doing it?

Must

[dense blaze]

I was thinking about not using vanish as well just in case

[civic palm]

have looked over that last time I was looking through things.

Thanks!!

[rose sapphire]

nps, bcs I remember now it started since I joined this new guild and they use BD Core / big dumb loot council and found it on google to check out the Core, finally 😄

[civic palm]

👌

[royal lantern]

i doubt that vanish will actually safe you

[civic palm]

Vanish disjoints basically nothing anymore.

If you've got aggro on something saving TotT is a better option.

[dense blaze]

Last man standing > vanish

Is what I was thinking

As I'll be using Prydaz/pants I won't be missing a big damage window, just some buffed garrotes or ruptures

[civic palm]

Sure.

[royal lantern]

yeha, with that setup you can keep vanish ofc

[nocturne jasper]

This might be a silly question but i’m having trouble understanding when it’s a good idea to pool energy. When do you pool energy?

[strange python]

The sim actually doesn't pool energy for much of anything.

[civic palm]

It's a decent idea to pool Energy before the phasing in your rotation in which you will need that energy, though much pooling isn't required anymore due to the T21 4p bonus.

and yeah, the SIM just mashes buttons.

[strange python]

But ideally you pool energy some before toxic blade

[civic palm]

The right buttons, but it doesn't pool for shit.

[nocturne jasper]

Okay ty

[kindred ivy]

i recently joined the conversation so basically: dont pool with t21 4pc . besides that do you pool for a higher uptime of surge of toxins or is it not that worth to delay a few sec ?

[fiery nest]

SoT isn't as important as getting as many envenoms in during TB, never allowing envenom to fall off during KB

at a base level

[kindred ivy]

im fairly new to rogue ill try to pool a bit in dungeons and stuff but i feel like im hurting myself by wasteing time in the long run

[fiery nest]

talk about pooling generally refers to a single target boss fight

not so much dungeons where there is time between packs to regen energy

[kindred ivy]

yeah i mean bosses in generall just not raid related

[fiery nest]

true

[kindred ivy]

i was allways pushing out my CP and not really caring about SoT

dunno if i can max my dps by pooling tho

[exotic glen]

pooling is really only if you dont have other cooldowns running which is rare

you need high uptime on envenom during kb, tb is on 25 second cd and you need to spam during it

[fiery nest]

not too rare as sin

[strange python]

there's a difference between playing around the envenom buff like normal, and pooling energy

[fiery nest]

you maintain a lot

[kindred ivy]

so rule of thumb is : b4 kb or tb pool a bit id say ?

[exotic glen]

outside of cooldowns there is no reason to be spamming

so if you pace yourself you dont need to actively pool energy

[kindred ivy]

i was pooling to around 60-70 energy

but i run out of the loop fast duo to no practice

[strange python]

if you don't have tier set i'd pool before tb

shouldn't need to on kb unless you're really screwing up

[kindred ivy]

i only got 2pc so far sadly

well thanks for the help im a bit smarter now 😉

[strange python]

get 4 piece and try again 😃

[kindred ivy]

yeah guild is not playing with master looter anymore and i only need 1 pc to make it work 😦

[strange python]

you'll get it don't worry there's a lot of difficulties to get it from anyway.

[kindred ivy]

im just a bit worried if im doing the right buttons at the right times i played rogue for 3 weeks heroic raiding now and 1 mythic carry basically

[strange python]

Go through logs and look at players equal to you and try and figure out why they do more damage

[civic palm]

That's only gonna help if you know why they did what they did, and why it's better.

The guide has more-than-enough information to get you to purple parses, ezpz.

[strange python]

Indeed

[civic palm]

Maybe, dunno how bad the cheese has been in the past weeks.

[strange python]

although exploring the logs for improvement is never wrong.

[kindred ivy]

im 960 atm and i was only running blue locks and 1-2 purle idk

[civic palm]

It is when you do not know what you are looking for. Might as well be a different language.

[kindred ivy]

im also new to meele wich makes bosses a little hard for me sometimes

[civic palm]

Yeah melee can be a struggle.

[strange python]

but if you never look at it, it might as well never be learned.

[kindred ivy]

yeah i was trying to talk with the guild rogues wich a both pretty good

its just hard to teach a total newcomer i was playing SP b4 😄

[manic vigil]

yikes

[civic palm]

You don't learn Chinese by staring into a book of Chinese characters, that's all.

Also note that WCL logs are going to be almost entirely different than the example APL output.

[manic vigil]

that's a different pacing indeed

[civic palm]

Quite.

[kindred ivy]

i just wanna get the best out of the rogue so i can kill mythic argus with the guild 😮

[civic palm]

GL

[kindred ivy]

hes down already but i need to pop of to get into the carry spot LUL

[nocturne jasper]

But I want orange parses

I got purp parses

[kindred ivy]

but thanks for the help boys ill talk with my guild rogues again 😄

[nocturne jasper]

I need orange parse secrets

[civic palm]

Proc more PBOMB, cheese harder, 2-3 ENV during TB, make sure KB is covered by ENV, 98%+ DoT uptime.

PROC MORE PBOMB

[nocturne jasper]

Lol i love how the secret is proc more PBOMB 😂😂😂

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

it's true though

[civic palm]

You're either exceptional or lucky.

Had to go back and check my logs > _> Still orange. 💦

[strange python]

there's also the rng of pbomb during tb, during mantle and all that good stuff

NotLikeThis

[civic palm]

Well thankfully that's all fucking gone, so there.

[fleet whale]

Well, it's still gonna exist as a talent, albeit neutered

[civic palm]

Nah if you pick that mess you cease to exist on the damage meter.

[fleet whale]

I mean, in pure ST, I don't know what else you would pick

[strange python]

pick outlaw Kappa

[civic palm]

Hidden Blades o _o...

[hazy iron]

HIdeen Blades beats PB in ST currently lol

its dumb

[civic palm]

and AoE... probably.

[fleet whale]

CT seems strong for aoe

[civic palm]

Talking about PBOMB vs. HB though.

[fleet whale]

oh yeah

[civic palm]

CT is clearly the better AoE pick, it's not even close.

Well... maybe on like... 3 mobs o _o hmmm

[fleet whale]

I was trying to tell people on MMO that PB is trash for ST and AoE in BFA but they won't listen lol

[civic palm]

Who fucking cares about them? > _>"

[hazy iron]

they like to argue from their armchairs without actually trying to play test stuff

[civic palm]

PBOMB does 5% damage when you are extremely lucky on ST, if people don't wanna believe reality then they can fuck off.

[fleet whale]

more like 3% lol

sometimes .5%

[civic palm]

The Earth if flat, we never went to the moon, PBOMB is good for ST.

[hazy iron]

I think I'm likely to go back to subtlety

[civic palm]

Hey I said extremely lucky 😛

[hazy iron]

because the last talent row doesn;t interest me much

[civic palm]

haha

[fleet whale]

it's there for aoe

[hazy iron]

yeah i know

but removal of DfA is love and life to me

i hate that skill so much

[civic palm]

So did anyone that did anything difficult.

[fleet whale]

i'll admit I was never it's biggest fan I prefer the wod version of sub by far

[hazy iron]

same

[civic palm]

Yarp.

[fleet whale]

I don't like one ability pony specs

[hazy iron]

our other rogue mains sub, but was forced to play assassin through argus prog

now he's allowed to play sub, and when he gets rages, it's scary

[onyx sigil]

Don't you get the dot if you DfA with Fear too?

Never played Sub on Argus because bracer execute helps so much in p3.

[fiery nest]

you dont play sub on argus because you kill melee when you DFA

good ability btw

it also does way less damage

0 execute on orbs, completely fucked if you have rage (can't dfa combo)

hehe hehe hehe

[worthy osprey]

Do rogues gank

[vapid moth]

well

finally got my M+ score past 2700

[frank zephyr]

Is the rogue two tier worth it for assaination? tag me and let me know. And i heard two different rotations for PvE so if someone can let me know what works well for yall!

[civic palm]

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[stark heart]

What else do you wanna pick for ST in bfa tho if not PB?:)

[sharp viper]

get the fok talent and weave it in on max stacks?

[steep obsidian]

i hope they do some fixes on talents soon

[viscid helm]

What fixes?

[stark heart]

FoKing seems to be worse than PB tho

[true ingot]

It's not.

[viscid helm]

based on?

[fiery nest]

nothing

[dusty palm]

hello

I was trying to create a speed set for my rogue

what items or enchants would i have to get for that

[strange python]

im gonna have to say anything with speed on it

and spec into burst of speed

[tardy belfry]

Can someone please elaborate on the last row talents in BFA? I don’t know what hb or ct stands for

[strange python]

crimson tempest aoe bleed

idk what hb is

oh hb

is leggo cloak

nerfed leggo cloak hidden blades

[tardy belfry]

So all the choices in the row are for AoE?

[strange python]

poison bomb isnt really aoe centered

but yeah

quite the shit talent row isnt it

[quick ice]

not if you're doing AOE? 😄

[strange python]

aslong as ct is actually good this time

[tepid quest]

hey guys i havent been raiding in over a year and been taking break from wow. what relics are best for ass

[quick ice]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[stark heart]

@viscid helm based on sims

[slim estuary]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/