But at this point it feels like im forcing myself to like it
#assassination
solid nova
viscid helm
no
forest acorn
no
blazing ocean
ok tyty
forest acorn
only abilities
steep obsidian
man fook relics get a decent soul shackles relic get mos but path goes to cloak cd or rupture crit 3rd trait is malch but its REFLECTIVE SHELL to connect it
arrrggggh
move one across and its 3xbis traits feels ba
zealous dew
wut ?
jovial hare
Sorry, I came from a loooooong pause of almost 6 years, Is that me or rogue is actually kinda underplayed in this meta?
zealous dew
rogues are awesome, they just don't do dmg 😃
rich wren
🤔
jovial hare
Yeah, I guess so, I just didnt that much rogues in my guild/bg/raids as before
see*
nvm, I guess that's just me
marble hemlock
@zealous dew you saw the relic i got yday? 😮
zealous dew
what did you get mate ?
marble hemlock
zealous dew
holy fuck
marble hemlock
❤
zealous dew
you needed MoS T2 for perfection 😃
marble hemlock
yeah
well, it lines up nicely with the other two, got triple pk/malch/shocklight now
4.5k crit on concordance procc 😄
marble hemlock
bonusrolled the motherfucker, was a bit afraid of the NLC
then i opened it and immediately had an orgasm
zealous dew
hehehe
steep obsidian
that is still pretty good
for dungeons anyway
that the one i was mad about before
soulsap shackles 😦
zealous dew
😄
steep obsidian
move those 2 seondar traits around and im 😄 instead of 😡
sullen mountain
what time is the QA today?
solid nova
sullen mountain
thanks
shut willow
@marble hemlock That's pretty impressive, I have 3xMASS/3xMALCH and I can't make the 2.2M mark. However, you have a lot of 985 gear and I have 0 pieces of that, even after hundreds of M+.
marble hemlock
yeah, a few 985 pieces make a huge difference to getting that last 100 or 200k
i also got a shitton of sockets :x
shut willow
The highest non trinket piece I have is 975 Crit/Haste boots which sim so much higher I won't take the hit to put the 945 Mastery/Crit ones I have on
We are also only 2 night a week and just got Kingaroth last week
sullen mountain
is 2pc t20 + 2pc t21 good?
shut willow
My relics are lower ilvl 940, 945, and 955 i think but they have good tier 2 and malc/mass on all of them
Depends on ilvl/pieces sim it
wise frigate
If you're running T20 you'll be doing 2/4. T21 4P is just really really good.
steep obsidian
my t20 is 930 and its close for me over my high ilvl bits but my gear isnt crit heavy, dropping shoulders means you won't get them op rng parses sometimes though
marble hemlock
is love
steep obsidian
you are actually going for pk on purpose for st?
zealous dew
fok at 3 is life
sullen mountain
marble hemlock
nah, pk for m+, just turns out to be a ST gain to fok at 3+ with that many PK traits
offsets the ST loss from not having singletarget oriented relics a bit
placid egret
sullen mountain
so i played beta yesterday
its basically the same rotation
only vendetta cd is weird tho
mossy hazel
weird due to gcd?
sullen mountain
no its not too bad really
its just strange that toxic blade and the energy talent are on the same row
and vendetta is THE only cooldown i have
im only lvl 110 still so i assume the playstyle will change once i level up and do more
stark heart
There are no new buttons for those levels
Only azerite will add something
You have vanish baseline if you want to be precise 😃
sullen mountain
yeah but its only useful if you take master assassin no?
vapid moth
Assa gonna be too easy in BfA
wind gull
Hey gang. On mythic Kin should I rupture and garrote Kin right before switching to the adds for extra energy regeneration? Then should I do it again when going from add 1 to add 2?
nova pagoda
torn token
i don't think you get the energy regen when adds come out because king is immune? correct me if im wrong
strange python
hes not immune right? Just 99% less
wind gull
Hmm. Okay I was hoping that might be part of why my parses suck on Kin. I will keep looking.
hoary copper
You can always post logs here and someone can go through. There are a few that are really good at it
wind gull
Okay. I will post one up when I get back to my computer. I know I am missing some concept that is killing my dps and I need to figure it out. I have pretty good gear but the top level rogues are beating me by 20% dps at the same ilevel.
wind gull
How so?
spare cloud
You wont do dmg to the adds when they die instantly 🤷
while the adds being the main aspect of getting a good parse on kin
turbid harbor
zzz
did just under 2.8 on dogs
still had subterfuge from argus
forgot to change
turbid harbor
not if you don't know that you have it
spare cloud
true
plain thistle
😂
mossy hazel
Why would you use that one on Argus? Just curious?
spare cloud
Bracers+boots are really good on argus due to the fight being so long
many extra vendettas
and subt being better than ns is a sideeffect of that
mossy hazel
Cool
so looking back at the opener guide for that setup, can you explain the vanish part?
"Vanish when garrote at pandemic"
mossy hazel
I just don't understand the "at pandemic" part...
spare cloud
Do you know what pandemic is?
mossy hazel
It's just the wording that's confusing me
Yea, it's the increase in a dot timer when you refresh at a certain point, so the opener says at pandemic, I'm assuming that's just when it would be the "safe refresh"?
That's all I'm looking for clarification on
dire spoke
pandemic is +30% of max duration
spare cloud
It's to make the garotte that is buffed by subterfuge last longer
mossy hazel
Ok, I think I get it now
You vanish before you would refresh garrote, so it's buffed and long
spare cloud
Yes
mossy hazel
Thanks, sorry, these are the techniques I'm still learning
wind gull
Okay so here is my best Kin log. When I use the compare feature there are same ilevel rogues doing 2.5m to my 2.1 and they don't have crazy pb damage to account for the difference. I think I am missing some fundamental concept. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J2Fy76pALZfnNhMT#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=9
Also here is my logs profile. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/winterhoof/elodad
dire spoke
Do you have boots?
wind gull
Yes I have boots
dire spoke
Did you check if they wear boots?
spare cloud
He doesnt wear them in the try zempai.
Top logs still dont wear boots I think
Anyways
have you checked out how other people with better logs play the fight?
safe matrix
It's basically all about how you do adds
cosmic portal
can some1 explain me crucibleweight in private chat pls?
wind gull
@spare cloud That is what I am looking at now.
Trying to learn to look at others logs and see how they differ.
dire spoke
Go to cast > timelines https://snag.gy/YsXQCI.jpg
But be sure to find somebody who actually plays your build first
spare cloud
then come back for further issues
safe matrix
Tbh some there can still be mistakes even in top parses
Because they could've just gotten lucky with poison bomb
spare cloud
most parses are just insanely stupid pbs
with bad play included
but it's not easy to play a flawless assa tbh
dire spoke
you won't see a top parse with 971 and normal PB
wind gull
Here is the one I am comparing against. Same build and close ilevel and normal pb procs. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fL3cCh2wXtyK17Nk#fight=6&type=summary&source=55
dire spoke
and you're linking it because?
wind gull
Just in case I shouldn't be looking at this one for the comparison. I think it is a good one for me to aspire to though.
cosmic portal
nobody knows how crucible weights work? :/
cosmic portal
i use the crucible string from the ravenholdt page
but
1x master assasin = 18 ilvl
on the next trait it is 0,74 ilvl
why?
spare cloud
Because of how cds line up
dire spoke
@cosmic portal the weights are just hints, you still should be best simulate every new relic - take the hint in combination with herodamage.com information
wind gull
Sorry to be slow @spare cloud . But what do you mean by cd issues? Am I not using them enough, too frequent, or in the wrong order? Also, I thought my opener was exactly like the guide shows? Or is it just on Kin and I should save vanish for the first add?
hoary copper
You can also sim relics on raidbots/simbot/relic to compare
steep peak
hey guys, would u rather use Eye of Command(945) or Shadow Singed Fang (965)
hidden plinth
eye of command for every boss without target change shadow singed for every other
hoary copper
Sim to see which one is better @steep peak with your specific gear
steep peak
Ty zorni
hoary copper
You can enter the traits manually in raidbots @cosmic portal
cosmic portal
thanks @hoary copper
wind gull
Is there a way to see how many combo points and energy someone has on Warcraft logs when looking at timelines and the replay?
hoary copper
I believe theres a resources tab somewhere but Im at work and cant look
stuck moss
does anyone else feel like posion bomb with leeching posion seems amazing for mass pulling in bfa?
spare cloud
there is
marble hemlock
yeah, theres a resource tab that shows cp/energy gained by ability
lavish frost
hows is the sin standing on beta atm ?
spare cloud
Idk if a specc can stand
spare cloud
like the game
viscid helm
exactly
spare cloud
Filler expansion
viscid helm
marble hemlock
i mean
fairly obvious that you can pump out expansions twice as fast, when they have half the content/effort put into it?
viscid helm
rip old god raid btw
safe matrix
"We just felt that the story didn't natural progress towards that way, so we scrapped the old gods raid tier."
-probably some dude at blizzard
marble hemlock
i mean, we all know his name, right?
spare cloud
Gunther?
sullen mountain
mankrik?
safe matrix
that meme is as dead as mankriks wife
spare cloud
mhhhm my ding ding dong
sullen mountain
safe matrix
yeah was 3 hours ago
lethal heart
ok
gcd change
and then
In Cataclysm you could take a portal to all of the zones and your guild could use a summon, so players could log in, teleport to the raid, and log off. Taking guild summon away was met with negative feedback, but the ease of transportation was bad for the game.
safe matrix
if you check #off-topic there are some new memes
safe matrix
THINK 👏 OF 👏 THE 👏 TRIALS
lethal heart
Trial players in a new guild may not get anything for weeks because that is the guild policy.
lol
ok
done
timber osprey
Hey friends! Should I keep Stacking as much Mastery as i can? Sitting at 181% mastery and 31% crit.. Should i try and add a little crit or?
marble hemlock
sim yourself
generally the answer is yes, but you never know until you sim yourself
timber osprey
I've been atm my sim is almost 1.9m
lone junco
@timber osprey tis true. it depends on your legendaries. Stat weights from raidbots is best
marble hemlock
theres a few fringe cases where crit>mastery becomes the case, but usually mastery keeps being the best stat
timber osprey
Weird. I also have the Shoulders and wrist legos but I LOSE tons of damage if i use them. I have much more damage with the head lego and shoulder lol
I do much more damage with the empty crown and Mantle LOL.
marble hemlock
usually depends on how good your non-legendary pieces are on those slots
for some its shoulders+bracers, other have boots+bracers, i for one have helmet+boots
timber osprey
yeah, what i figured i got an amazing wrist drop
marble hemlock
theyre all fairly close to each other so a few ilvl on the non-legendariy pieces can already make a difference
quick ice
Helmet boots would be actually pretty fun
marble hemlock
keep in mind that difference of 5-10k dps are within the margin of error, so at that point i wouldnt just blindy follow the sim but play with whatever you feel most comfortable instead
timber osprey
I do as much as my sim says in most bosses so... i always just wonderd.. what about relics?
timber osprey
At one point i had 4 +1 rank to Master alchemist LOL
quick ice
@median marsh yay!
marble hemlock
grats
median marsh
I'm sad cause we didn't kill it before the nerf
we were reaching 10% every try almost, in the last night before reset
timber osprey
is it work to do mythics? I'd have to find a guild im at ilvl 964 but my guild doesn't do mythics LOL
median marsh
you mean worth?
median marsh
sure it is
timber osprey
i have work in 15 minutes i guess im thinking about it LOL
quick ice
It's worth, but it's also work!
marble hemlock
not with bfa
timber osprey
Yeah, the gear tho just so nice.......
marble hemlock
LUL
median marsh
that's why I was asking, work was also valid in your question
timber osprey
LOL
Maybe I'll try and find a guild to do mythic's wit. starting to get annoying to find a better item then what i already hav in herioc
median marsh
I'm having the most fun when I progress with a guild from the beginning
marble hemlock
starting to lose faith in my pk relics, 56k difference to triple MAss :/
need more mastery again so the difference gets smaller again 😦
like those bracers? :>
lethal heart
my better character has 980 socket for transmog 🕵
marble hemlock
i have 7 sockets in my gear, im starting to think im a bit too lucky
lethal heart
🤔
quick ice
That is a lot of sockets
marble hemlock
got 965chest with socket+avoidance yday 😃
was abit disappointed that its only 965 however...
timber osprey
-_-
lethal heart
seli most upset about personal loot changes since he's master looter in his guild 😠
timber osprey
Meanwhile my chest is like 940 without socket LOL
marble hemlock
i rarely give myself loot though
lethal heart
but yea felt bad about my gear when i inspected your character a week ago or whenever we played
what equipped are you as of now, 977?
marble hemlock
had 980 ssf drop on hounds firstkill, gave it to hunter because i had higher eoc than him and got a 945 engine
except for bracers, all of them
timber osprey
Does anyone know if u have to wait to join a guild if u just leave one?
marble hemlock
bracers were in weekly chest
the actual question should be: how many of those m+ items actually dropped for me
lethal heart
😄
marble hemlock
which would be: none, they all dropped for others who traded them
novel island
@timber osprey no
marble hemlock
yeah well
its not even that many m+ items, only eoc, bracers, ring and neck
had a tank last week with 985 shivermaws
thats what id call superlucky
oh and to answer your previous question sebek, ~978 equipped now
only 15.3k mastery though 😦
marble hemlock
got a huge upgrade this week with bis trait 985 relic which was 👌
yeah
its mostly the eoc, imagine like a 970 or smth
lethal heart
or maybe even hunger of pack?
wish nightbane was a thing for m+, so you could reliably get 940 statstick
that would be something
marble hemlock
yeah, that would be great
lethal heart
940 socket would be so much value
lethal heart
i managed to get 960 ssf on one of my characters finally rofl
that's absurd
my trinket rng been so bad this tier actually
lone junco
SSF agi component is nice for exang windows.
lethal heart
bonus rolling mythic vari/dogs on rogue every week
and on monk dogs
and managed to get 1 trinket, 10 crit/haste chests
marble hemlock
like, i know MoS is better overall, but i really enjoy the triple shocklight T2
lone junco
55 rolls with 30 of those being Personal loot
quick ice
So weird doing it now to get people their mounts
lone junco
thats 85 attempts + guild kills.
quick ice
0 mechanic fight
lethal heart
yea i do elisande from time to time
lone junco
do you just run through the ring now?
quick ice
You get her to 10% before ring
marble hemlock
18k crit with concordance proc, 71% mutcrit 😮
lethal heart
sim more than my monk 🤔
lone junco
jesus
marble hemlock
thats only if if had my relics with MAss instead of PK
lethal heart
assa rogue broken 🤔
marble hemlock
still, 2.4 threshold broken with 3xPK
lone junco
pretty sure slackjack is like 2405 range
quick ice
How many Pantheon trinkets do you Sim with for that number?
lone junco
thats 0
marble hemlock
0
lethal heart
i could get 2,3 as sub with my bag relics
lone junco
10k iterations but shouldnt matter too much
quick ice
Jesus. I'm just under 2.4 with 15
lethal heart
but idk 2,4 as sub looks impossible unless you have 985's all over the place
lone junco
rip my 2.08m
marble hemlock
i guess 2.5mil with almost perfect gear would be doable as assa
quick ice
Curse you bad ring luck! (Using 975 haste/mast ring from Eonar)
lone junco
985 from M+ no less
lethal heart
kingaroth/argus ring
marble hemlock
are good enough
marble hemlock
theres only 1 m+ ring that would be better
lethal heart
or 975 socket
lone junco
lethal heart
which is equal to 985 nonsocket i guess
lone junco
i guess.
marble hemlock
GTR and minute mirror rings are bis m+ rings
strange python
I'm 971, with 30/212/8 +eoc
marble hemlock
2.2 seems about right for that amount of gear
lone junco
my poison is 963 ilvl around 2.06m
marble hemlock
+5ilvl would be 2.3, and hitting 2.4 is nigh impossible unless you got perfect relics
or ilvl 980
quick ice
That's me just shy of 980 but not the best relics/jewellery
vapid moth
Night elves can be makes?
lethal heart
i think i had like 4 blood relics 960-970 ilvl range from antoran
marble hemlock
getting a good malch relic with mos/shocklight+mass/bb is really tough
quick ice
Nah, my relics are all kinds of messed up. Think I have 6 each of malch/mass, then 6 BB? Not great t2
lethal heart
doesnt fucking exist
marble hemlock
i jizzed my pants yday
lethal heart
i always leech relics from coen
strange python
I got 1 malc, 1 mass, 3 envenom damage, lol
marble hemlock
when i got my bis 985 one
vapid moth
Fuck shocklight. MoS or trash
lethal heart
because for some reason shadow relic from coen always drop
and its actually gutripper base for sub
marble hemlock
shocklight is bae
lethal heart
so it's already sick
and then it's master alch for assa so i have 2 chances for the relic to be solid
vapid moth
Nah. MoS is bae
marble hemlock
yeah, im not a huge fan of the bis base-relic for assa being the bis-base for sub
would be nicer if they switched it up
still remember how everyone and their mother wanted botanist shadow/tichondrius blood relics
lethal heart
man
i remember
when i was rocking a sick 850 mater assassin rellic
and we kill botanist on heroic with my 1st guild i got to mythic with
and 920 drops
and i'm just begging them to give it to me
marble hemlock
😄
lethal heart
i was spamming vault so much i remember
lethal heart
but do you think it might be worth to throw a dart pre pull for guaranteed concordance pull?
concordance on pull*
as assa?
lethal heart
as sub it's probably worth
marble hemlock
when it doesnt proc on pull, you know this is going to be a killtry
turbid harbor
i think it is worth with no shoulders
marble hemlock
when it does and you proc 3bombs on your first 4 openers, you know someone is going to fuck the pull up
turbid harbor
play subterfuge anyway
lethal heart
if only snapshotting pk was still a thing
doing that in the beginning
would be 10k iq play
concordance and snapshot at same time
what can be possibly bad about it?
marble hemlock
blizz nerfing it while buffing mut, and nerfing our aoe in the process?
m+ was fun with bugged ns/dp and old pk
lethal heart
my friend showed me their logs of stacked dogs
and guy peaked at like 11 mil
in the opener
turbid harbor
lol
marble hemlock
nice bombdamage zolbar 😃
turbid harbor
very skill much wow
marble hemlock
had 1 this week and it carried my dps throughout the rest of the fight
restive inlet
I wish we wuld get KB instead of PB as a lvl 100 talent next expack:(
turbid harbor
my best argus is 9 bomb
timber mauve
4% pb on agg this week feelsbad
turbid harbor
and it's purple at 91 😡
lethal heart
i'm helping out some other guild on my rogue mostly now
strange python
st talent with aoe talents on the same row is exactly what they want to avoid tho
lethal heart
and i was playing sub/outlaw/assa like
every pull different spec on aggramar
and some rogue whispers me
'you look to be mots consistant with sub'
🤔
turbid harbor
lol
restive inlet
Well, on that row now PB is the cleat ST option.
lethal heart
because yea i had some juicy pulls as assa on aggramar i have to say
psn bombs of my life during intermission
actually deleted adds
lethal heart
i remember i was on my monk on aggramar adn we couldnt kill it for some reason
so i tell them ok i can relog rogue ez clap
and there is this rogue trial in the grp
marble hemlock
my aggra parses are always shit for some reason
lethal heart
and i literally destroy him
marble hemlock
probably because i pool CDs for big adds :<
lethal heart
and have absolutely god rng as sub, all the dfa crits into concordance procs aswell
i think i ended up with like +600k his dps lol
turbid harbor
😄
lethal heart
but i have to say i play pretty solid as sub though
even though i derp sometimes i'm pretty consistant
marble hemlock
i still crushed you in that dht26 last week
marble hemlock
and we got destroyed be the boomy
marble hemlock
was pretty sad
lethal heart
well that wasnt even close
lethal heart
frankly
turbid harbor
yikes
robust light
yo guys, im currently having boots/bracers sim 3k more than shoulders/bracers so its sort of down to choice which i go with. which setup is more consistent/easy/least punishing
lethal heart
i've done 10 thousand dhts
civic palm
Imagine if you could just flap your wings and win at everything?
civic palm
Why am I even working on my mage? I have a druid!!
marble hemlock
to be fair, the boomy is probably the best m+ boomy right now, but still
lethal heart
yea
he's pretty nuts
i have no idea what he's doing differently than other boomkins
but god
he's doing it right
because there must be something, the difference is massive
marble hemlock
easy 7mil+ on every trashpull 😃
turbid harbor
i did 2.6 overall on a 22 dht with dregan back at 940 ilvl
civic palm
Extra sacrifices to Elune, clearly.
turbid harbor
is boomy stealing?
marble hemlock
true
turbid harbor
i haven't played with a good boomie ever
lethal heart
or you're playing with 2 rogues 😄
turbid harbor
especially not with gear like now
marble hemlock
still, even when we did keys with seldnor+elu he was still going nuts
well played/geared boomy right now with dad-spec is just insane
turbid harbor
who is he?
lethal heart
elunarn
marble hemlock
elunarn
civic palm
There's his secret.
lethal heart
best or 2nd best moonkin in the world in m+
civic palm
Elune is IN HIS NAME.
marble hemlock
ye
lethal heart
idk if he's better than canexx
marble hemlock
wouldnt say canexx is best boomy
turbid harbor
never heard of him
marble hemlock
dorull > elu > canexx
lethal heart
he always plays with one grp really
marble hemlock
guti was pretty damn good, ye
marble hemlock
well, elunarn used to play alliance for a long time
only playing horde for 2months now i think
marble hemlock
lul
marble hemlock
yeah, mobs arent dying unless you have a godlock
turbid harbor
double sub and warlock is the dream
lethal heart
last week 😄
turbid harbor
or it used to be 😡
marble hemlock
the worst rogue dungeon, together with arcway
marble hemlock
yeah
lethal heart
obv no orb
but trap
noone blacksmither 👀
actually MOTS DEPLETED GRP EVER
we couldnt even pick up health buff
still in time
marble hemlock
i remember having 2 27cos a few weeks back, got book+felorb twice, noone could use them, so rip 😃
lethal heart
yea
marble hemlock
cos is decent for sub, ultrashit for assa
lethal heart
like arent too big
marble hemlock
got a lot of priority target damage in cos, which is nice for sub
turbid harbor
ya if you play assa in cos you're trolling
lethal heart
i managed to beat some monks last week as sub in cos
due to them letting me play around shuriken combo though
frankly
marble hemlock
assa can survive last boss on tyrannical without a healer though, as long as you have a bdk
even on 25
😄
lethal heart
yea same for sub tbh
turbid harbor
we can time dfa with leech
lethal heart
i managed to do 24 tyra with bdk solo
turbid harbor
and do same
marble hemlock
not enough dodge though
marble hemlock
oh yeah
lethal heart
thats something
marble hemlock
no idea how we did that lul
turbid harbor
soloing?
marble hemlock
nah
lethal heart
without healer
marble hemlock
healer died at 70% health
turbid harbor
haha
lethal heart
easiest in time of my life
marble hemlock
in our 26fort dht last week
turbid harbor
was it a druid
marble hemlock
pally
lethal heart
forti*
turbid harbor
how bad was your rng
turbid harbor
to have pala die at 70
marble hemlock
i mean
turbid harbor
unlucky
lethal heart
he can survive
marble hemlock
got jizzed in the face by 11mil nightmare bolt, 2mil overkill, rip
lethal heart
but then we actually had best possible rng
i got 0 debuffs as sub
and then we had like 2 abilities on me
2 on you
marble hemlock
the dispellable debuff is actually weird
since its a magic debuff that you can dispell
lethal heart
so we could both just vanish/cloak
lethal heart
yea i noticed when i was checking logs once
turbid harbor
it's pretty fucked up
turbid harbor
sub has like 52% chance of dodging by accident anyway 😄
seeing dodge pop up on msbt with that icon was always fun to me
marble hemlock
hyrja would be better
lethal heart
i think that once i play 20 avoidance
and 100% feint uptime during eye of the storm
- prydaz
marble hemlock
did 2man hyrja from 30% with just a bdk and me in a 23 a few months back, was pretty intense
marble hemlock
i mean you dont take any damage from the storm with feint up
since the % mitigation comes first, and then the flat-reduction from the bubble gets applied, resulting in 0 damage taken
marble hemlock
when doing 2man hyrja, problem is the expel light, since youll always get hit by it twice
since it cant target the tank first, and always jumps as long as someone is in range
lethal heart
always funny to see someone flop to expel light
when he's playing stuff like prydaz/20 avoidanc
and then you just press feint
and you're taken to like 30% health
lethal heart
thats probably one of v ery rare fights where you could use feint more often than once per 15 seconds
or w/e cd is
i'm still amazed how feint can work sometimes with debuffs
that are applied to you
for example feint worked on debuffs that you got from soakins souls in gul'dan fight
or out of all abilities it doesnt work on dresaron aoe knockback 🤔
marble hemlock
thats because of how the knockback is coded on dresaron
marble hemlock
since the knockback is stronger the further away you are from the boss, it needs to be applied to every player individually
so avoidance doesnt work
marble hemlock
what i dont understand on that boss
is why his hitbox is in the air
and not on the ground
marble hemlock
yup
lethal heart
unless was fixed
turbid harbor
ya it hasn't been fixed
marble hemlock
cant step the boss, need to step a player
lethal heart
but idk i'm 100% sure
marble hemlock
annoying as fuck
turbid harbor
"can't use that here"
lethal heart
they changed something about this boss hitbox
turbid harbor
not even no path available
turbid harbor
yea you can dfa now
lethal heart
because i used to dfa ALWAYS inside his model
turbid harbor
without going midair
lethal heart
then some of dfas were inside his models
turbid harbor
i've honestly barely done any m+ since the change
can't remember if you have to be far or near
marble hemlock
"fun" little stuff hidden everywhere inside the game
as hidden as the beams on brh 3rd boss :3
lethal heart
idk i think that whenever i have pressed backpedal during using dfa
its fine
but maybe it's just some kind of weird placebo thing i'm telling myself
marble hemlock
thats because dfa is very finnicky when you are inside the targeting circle of a mob/boss
marble hemlock
once youre outside, which is usually still in meleerange, you dfa to the edge of the targeting circle
lethal heart
and they're retard free right now
marble hemlock
instead of inside the boss
turbid harbor
goroth too
lethal heart
yea that guy too
lethal heart
yea
lethal heart
that's something
marble hemlock
since you cannot dfa backwards to hit something, instead of placing you at the edge of the bosses hitbox, you dfa to the middle of it, which results in fun stuff like helya/wrath of azshara dfas
lethal heart
the best thing is when boss turns around to do mechanic
and he parries your attack because of that
fucking artificial inteligence
too good
marble hemlock
always enjoying KB parries
lethal heart
at least when boss parries your goremaws
you get the free finishers
rip combo points though
turbid harbor
i tilt if kb gets parried
super hard
because any good parse with a kb parry could be so much better
so i just go to sleep
marble hemlock
reminds me of the days where envenom parries were an actual dps gain since you still got the buff, without using up CPs ❤
lethal heart
btw @turbid harbor do you know if dregan plays with some team in mdi now
marble hemlock
no, they gave up 2 days before timetrials finished
lethal heart
yea i know but i've heard from my guildie that played with him that he was still blasting tournament realm recently
so i'm guessing he stands in for someone?
marble hemlock
maybe hes the secret 3rd guy playing with herudra/ashine? 😄
lethal heart
hmm i'd assume really
unless they play with the boomie
that i've never ever played with
guess we'll see on saturday
actually played with divinefield and natty yesterday, was full meme fiesta runs. 27 almost in time dht into depleto 25 LUL
zealous dew
boy this is boring
marble hemlock
yeah, its sad to see
lethal heart
well
i'm more than sure we wont see any other tank than bd
bdk*
unless someone missclicks or has some super hidden strat with changing spec
marble hemlock
not in eu, no
marble hemlock
LUL
marble hemlock
@zealous dew whatsup?
lethal heart
just have warlock to summon me
and i go brewmaster for archer packs
this is actually legit as fuck
marble hemlock
karma for playing sub
marble hemlock
unlucky
zealous dew
yeah but 23...
marble hemlock
true :p
marble hemlock
you still had some?
marble hemlock
i barely have faith in the people on my friendslist
zealous dew
😃
aggramar trinket dropped today
went ot offtank that never tanks or does m+
lul
marble hemlock
😦
zealous dew
oh well, next XP, maybe diff guild
marble hemlock
😄
marble hemlock
lul
marble hemlock
new torrent is yikes
zealous dew
money sink 😄
marble hemlock
i mean
latent crow
Im undead but im going to make a dwarf alt one of the allied ones
marble hemlock
2m+ boosts and you got your racechange
marble hemlock
gotta boost 20+
zealous dew
this week good though, playing on warlock 3 manning and getting 240k every dungeon
marble hemlock
you can usually get 2-4token per boost because people want their high mscore 😄
zealous dew
hehe
latent crow
Wait ppl buy score?
zealous dew
yeah ppl buy everything
marble hemlock
had a healer 2 weeks ago during the necro tyra week, was willing to pay 2mil for a 23 boost
zealous dew
2m 😄
latent crow
I bought 15 for tint on alt s but not score
marble hemlock
wanted to show to her guild that she can heal 23 keys, apparently it was worth that much to her
marble hemlock
more and more people buy mscore nowadays
they just buy a high NL here, a high BRH there, 600-900k each, and eventually they got enough higher keys to have like 4k score
latent crow
Whole eoa on bolstering
zealous dew
nah this week
it's super easy
and as lock if they pull trash into boss i can do decent dmg
tank doessn't get any dmg anyway
marble hemlock
token prices are getting worse and worse though
zealous dew
yeah insane inflation
marble hemlock
still got a few 300k lying around on different realms, cant even buy a token with that anymore 😦
zealous dew
how much for a token now? 320 ?
marble hemlock
360+
zealous dew
wtf
marble hemlock
think on NA its getting close to 500k?
oh no, nvm
that was china
NA is 200k, EU 370
latent crow
I remember when they were what 28k?
marble hemlock
gonna hit 500k on EU before legion ends i think
latent crow
At launch when tokens introduced
solid nova
360k token prices for me
robust light
how many master assasin relics is needed for vendetta to line up with every other kingsbane? (shoulders/bracers)
spare cloud
Yes.
orchid cove
it will never really line up
nimble tartan
mossy flicker
Heeeeeeeelp
does anyone know how to make a macro for poison bomb ?
I mean a macro which call it
lone junco
@Tanius#3111 0 plus boots.
novel island
Use weak auras
I'm sure wago has one
All that does is announce to the tank when to move.
mossy flicker
ty
novel island
@vapid moth. I see it at almost 200k
vapid moth
@zealous dew that thing is full of fucking lies
supple hearth
.> imagine being THAT rogue tho
onyx falcon
If you mean me giggle, i make fun of my guild tank I do M+ w/ all the time when he moves outta my PB
"hey look, i proced, time to move"
steep obsidian
you should just make it send him an abusive whisper instead of spam the group imo
/w tank dont move for 3 secs asshole
steep obsidian
some people find it annoying and spammy but if your tank thinks its a good idea and will help it it good
supple hearth
hehe more referring to people who want that spam /say for pb lol but if thats you then YA
steep obsidian
personally i found that the tank i run with didn't really notice the say until it was too late and i didnt test it for long
supple hearth
it makes sense if youre tight with your tank and you guys work with it but i mean thats what voice is for.
steep obsidian
it was more an annoyance then anything
supple hearth
and its annoying if its a random rogue
steep obsidian
he knows when i swear at him what he did
supple hearth
and its not an expectation that was set
steep obsidian
he doesn't move mobs around unpredictably though
onyx falcon
i feel like its worse if they /yell it than /say it
steep obsidian
maybe
onyx falcon
- not sure if its just my WA but theres a delay whenever i proc PB and when it says the "PB" thing (prox 0.5-1s)
steep obsidian
well it has to parse the combat log
onyx falcon
yea i mean it makes sense
but wasnt sure if i just fked up my WA somehow or thats actually how it is
steep obsidian
if it was an obvious buff or debuff it would be easier :\
onyx falcon
not the best WA maker
steep obsidian
oh
vapid moth
One day
steep obsidian
to see if the delay is better
onyx falcon
maybe i should
xae, could you imagine
if 15 rogues sins
all went into a raid
w/ PB WAs
n screaming PB
vapid moth
lol
crimson knoll
I pugged a CoS key with a prot pally who did that
The entire time it was just red spam
vapid moth
so there would be 20 yellls in total
vapid moth
i was running a normal dungeon yesterday, got pb on legit every other mob 😑
onyx falcon
me earlier today with decent PBs (also we pulled everything like mad pplz) 22 BRH
vapid moth
still hasn't done a 19
steep obsidian
only players who aren't annoying get invited to 20s sorry 😦
vapid moth
But what about 19s
steep obsidian
actually 19 is pretty easy nowadays
although maybe not to pug
unless you have a good raider.io score to get into an experienced pug
vapid moth
I wish my io was the problem
People requesting 3000 for 19. Meanwhile getting all 18s done only gives 2800
steep obsidian
solution is to stop pugging
vapid moth
True
I have a group. We suck though lol. So put of sync so far but it should get better
onyx falcon
well groups are better than pugs even if you suck imo
youll get better eventually n its just better
vapid moth
And you can Crack jokes and not have someone bitch
onyx falcon
also xae, you main sub, you're naturally better than sins at M+
vapid moth
No I main sin
onyx falcon
or at least thats what your color says
vapid moth
My color is deceivinglol
vapid moth
Sub feels so backwards from sin
onyx falcon
but yea pull wise for M+ i see if this way : 15 and under (1 pack at a time), 16-18 (2ish packs at a time), 19-23/24 (start attempting massive pulls), 24+ (massive pulls only)
for how they run if you run around those lvls of keys only
can we just have shuriken storm? thx bai
elder oracle
Hey guys. Just picked up rogue as my main for BFA. I play Warrior right now in a guild with all my friends. I was looking at the guide and I guess im confused as to which build to use when starting off? is there one that is actually better or is it actually up to preference? Want to start preparing and getting in the groove before BFA drops so any help is appreciated. Thanks!