assassination

[pine flame]

thank you!

[dire spoke]

https://snag.gy/dhSvVm.jpg

[supple hearth]

@pine flame do you know where the pins are in discord? They will be your best friend in ravenholdt

[pine flame]

kinda new to discord too, was using teamspeak way back MoP

[supple hearth]

If you're on mobile it's the three dots , if you're on desktop it's top right and is a pin symbol

📌

[pine flame]

got it!

[fiery nest]

feelsbadman

[strange python]

all of these shoulder wearers 🤢

[turbid harbor]

my crit weight is 55 without shoulders 😄

[zealous dew]

kinda hard to replace when you have 975 boots

c/M

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/c6f784fd71c056572e8a679d558fdfe2

top kok

[drifting cloud]

wtf rigged sim

[jovial kite]

adapt, optimize, overcome

[spare cloud]

get lucky

[drifting cloud]

bleed bois dont sim that much

[dire spoke]

best logs still poison

just sim bigdick

[spare cloud]

he doesnt show amount of pantheons

[jovial kite]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/97GcXVWC7o17RKUxdEhrp8

oh sry

[dire spoke]

[spare cloud]

rigged

you hack

[plain thistle]

fake

[lone junco]

@jovial kite oy. thems big boi numbers.

[spare cloud]

you made noobe horny

gj

[jovial kite]

gibe 950 chest or shoulders and im 2.4

or 965 eoc

im a simple man and dont ask for much

[spare cloud]

I'm a simple man all I ask for is bis gear

[jovial kite]

im a simple man and farm for it excessively

[lone junco]

lower crit than i expected. but that vers/mastery still up a bit.

[jovial kite]

my dh is rising too

https://gyazo.com/f509a1b2a353d7fa870e6dab31ae2e3f

[spare cloud]

fotm ja anus?

[jovial kite]

its ya boy

[spare cloud]

its ja boy anus

[jovial kite]

mods

we getting sexual here

[lone junco]

nvm. same stuff. just way more agi

5k agi

and a ton of vers

oy

[mint oar]

im back

Kappa

[manic vigil]

[strange python]

Noobex

GN

The rest aswell

[void pecan]

who are you all red boys

[strange python]

You dont ‘member me?

😦

we have come to take it over

[vestal wren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/339748297101148160/433612525905641477/unknown.png

[mint oar]

what

why is there a poison and a bleed thingy now

we used to be unified

why split us

[viscid helm]

dont wanna associate myself with the lesser people

thats why

[strange python]

the hierarchy is bleed->alacrity->poison 🤔

[spare cloud]

whats a heirarchy

[gaunt moat]

@mint oar there was a whole civil war thing going on

[zealous dew]

alacrity 😄

[mint oar]

fuck

not even the game went to shit but rogues too

Kappa

[spare cloud]

[drifting crypt]

hey Beta is here 😱

[steep obsidian]

woo can't wait to do that lordaeron scenario on every toon i want to queue a dungeon for again

[drifting crypt]

ye, thats kinda annoying

and dont forget the stormwind scenario

that too

[steep obsidian]

the horde one is a lot worse then the alliance one

[fiery nest]

well little kids play alliance so that makes sense

[honest pelican]

soo as a sin rogue, keeping garrote + rupture, every hit gives us 3 energy? so its good to keep those up not just for damage, but for energy replenish

[steep obsidian]

yes

[honest pelican]

ah ok thought so, i saw it on something a while back but forgot where

[fallen sandal]

Does anyone know how to make a WA that tells you the remaining time on your active vendetta ?

[steep obsidian]

best way is to get an existing one and import it

[quick coral]

track targetdebuff

[steep obsidian]

and then see how it works

it hard to explain

wago.io has a bunch of weak aura sets I think notter has one in the pins up top

[fallen sandal]

yeah but my wa is perfect, i just need that little thing x)

[manic vigil]

perfect needs a little thing

[prime zodiac]

Has any of the US guys killed Argus Mythic today?

is it true he has been nerfed in any way?

[strange python]

HP nerf 5%

all I can tell

13.1B -> 12.4B

[plain thistle]

really?

nice

[viscid helm]

♿

[drifting cloud]

o,o

[strange python]

sorry friends it is apparently EU only

like hell I am actually at mythic argus, just looked at a random log from today

[drifting cloud]

oh youre EU

so its a hotfix not even with server restart

weird

[strange python]

no, I'm us, just pulled a log when he asked the question, happened to be an EU log

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/vyjl9bXGr5vlWzAMX2K3G47wJTNB38mq2AYwIOUzyl0/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/423146164913700894/438457870049214484/image.png?width=429&height=106

🤔

[void pecan]

🤔

[lone junco]

aaaa @gusty kestrel Exang with no VR is way shitty

ct is really cool tho

[fiery nest]

why would they nerf for EU and not US

[stark heart]

@fallen sandal debuff on target

[viscid helm]

tfw u can now just ignore adds on aggra and burn the boss

literally easier than heroic

[fiery nest]

is argus nerf real?

[void pecan]

no one knows.

[drifting cloud]

the hp nerf is

for all the changes just wait for the bluepost

[fiery nest]

💀

[lone junco]

I swapped to VR and Mark. for this opening mash up scene

but will be vig for sure

25% crit is the shit part

they keep showing thrall shooting a dragon for the cut scenes. how cute

outlaw getting weapon master is way better than the saber slash thing

derp. they just renamed it

[void pecan]

so 5% was hotfix

and more are coming soon™?

[fiery nest]

the nerfs in yellow are live as well, they're yellow because they're links to log results

[vestal wren]

there where several roumors about a nerf even before that

tho this one seems to be true (at least the hp nerf)

still nothing official

[strange python]

looks like the official thing doesnt mention the yellow nerfs

does mention the hp though

[fiery nest]

u talking about on wowhead?

theres a disclaimer saying there will probably be more found

which there were

[void pecan]

https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1089349-hotfixes-april-24/

?

[fiery nest]

ah posted 4min ago

[strange python]

yeah sorry saw it in ww disc

[fiery nest]

nah ur good ty

is it tru u should be able to just lust and burn p3 agg? or was that hyperbole

[quick ice]

easier now

[fiery nest]

i see, we dont have much execute dps so it never became aware for us that it was possible

[strange python]

5% Arg nerfs means a lot also

[fiery nest]

yea pretty big

[strange python]

usually once you get thefight its just pushing dps on that last 5%

[fiery nest]

and orb explosions

[strange python]

Should see lots of kills then

since there are quite a few guilds on agg/argus

[viscid helm]

fight was already at the level of Xavius

even KJ is harder than argus rn

[strange python]

700 ish guilds have it down iirc

id say it was harder than xav though considering the shitty 2day guild i was in killed it CE

[lunar berry]

so...as assa..when do i use the boots? and with what?

any particular boss or?

[strange python]

if they sim higher than your other legos

[lunar berry]

got all legos besides sephys. And i really dont know when i should use the boots instead of bracers or instead of shoulders. Is there a particular fight where its better?

[void pecan]

[heavy trail]

So this wait until 9 seconds left on your kingsbane for using toxic blade is no longer valid? I am reading some guides that say to use it and others say to just use it after vendetta before your envenom / kingsbane

[void pecan]

Is really the answer to your question.

change the fight lengths in the sims

multi target etc etc

[strange python]

ralnazzar its a negligable difference than just pressing it on cd

[void pecan]

it also depends on your off pieces for boots/bracers

[viscid helm]

lining TB and KB was never a gain over just using them on CD

[heavy trail]

OK thanks a lot of guides seem to tell you to wait until there is 9 seconds left in KB. Oh well 😃

[void pecan]

check out the guide here.

if you haven't.

[viscid helm]

sounds like a lot of feelycrafting

the sims were run here ages ago

i mean the difference is probably small

and you most likely wont even notice it

Also iirc the TB and KB syncing required some specific amount of MA traits and no boots or something

[heavy trail]

Yeah I am reading the one from here now 😃

[lone junco]

There was a tbKb hold with 0ma +boots. And high crit/mastery. But not worth it for most anyone.

[strange python]

ww got chest lego ayy

time for feral to get chato and then im done with lego grind forever

[mild bough]

does anyone know if using the sin mage tower tmog on daggers next xpac will make your daggers sheath on back?

[strange python]

I doubt it, it's an artifact thing

it's not specific to the mage tower

it should

since the model is there

[wise frigate]

I'd bet money it will. Since other things that sheath on back still do it when mogged. It only makes sense for the thing that's currently on your back to stay there when mogged.

[strange python]

really? interesting

but why mage tower? don't they all go on your back?

or are the mage tower appearances the only ones that you get next xpac?

[mild bough]

I think you get all your artifact appearances, I just mentioned the sin mage tower one because its the coolest

[strange python]

oh. well it is

[supple hearth]

When you mog the appearance it will sheathe exactly how it does now. That's the same with the uldaman swords that sheathe on your back that's why the boe is worth so much - it's a super common appearance but only that one sheathed on the back. They would never change how it sheathes just because it's a mog vs the actual weapon

[tranquil birch]

Wow these aggramar nerfs are over the top

[strange python]

I didn't think transmog was tied to the model

but now I do

[jovial galleon]

Hello all! Kind of new here, more of a casual player. Should I be using the boots and braces, or shoulders and braces? I prefer the boots as my gear gives me a higher ilvl (from 958 to 961) and the playstyle feels better, but according to my raidbot, my dps will go down from 1.53 k to 1.49 k.

[strange python]

use raidbots.com to sim yourself and all your gear and find out!

oh i can't read

[jovial galleon]

Thank you! I decided to go with the shoulders instead after playing around a bit in game.

[jolly dawn]

Hello. I'm pretty experienced with sub/outlaw and I've been trying to learn to min/max assass in M+, primarily trash heavy/aoe

Do you guys bother with Mantle/Cloak or nah
Mantle/Ring?
Or just chill with Mantle/Boots?

I would think they all feel similar, maybe not, this is why I am asking someone who maybe loves to push M+ as assass, althought I would think sub is still the way to go, just want something different

[supple hearth]

cloak is bad for sin. You basically want to just have stronger single target and get nice PB procs

mantle bracers are best most of the time

[strange python]

someone in my guild is trying to say boots are good for the rogue for shirt fights..

should be sholders and bracers right?

[quick ice]

Short fights where you get an extra vendetta you wouldn't have without, they're very strong

[strange python]

overall bracers and sholders are better though

having haste on that makes me cry

[void pecan]

Oh you.

Boots bracers sim higher for me

because I have 960+ off pieces in shoulder hands.

There's only way to know which is better.

[serene lintel]

anyone know how i can track bag of tricks proc uptime with tellmewhen? just need to know what the buff is called

[supple hearth]

[steep obsidian]

U need a weak aura that parses the combatlog there is no buff or debuff

Check wago.io for one

[vapid moth]

im pretty sure if you typed "i" instead of "u" its your fault not the phones fault lol

[crimson knoll]

There is one on wago.io that does exactly that

[steep obsidian]

You are pretty annoying xaelthron

[strange python]

but he knows how to play rogue so hes ok..right

😉

[haughty needle]

Could anyone point me in the right direction to find an import string for crucibleweights?

[vapid moth]

Doesn't matter what I say. Everyone's a hater 🙃

[steep obsidian]

Nah you are just annoying

[vapid moth]

Where's that bike meme

[steep obsidian]

Check the pins nattty

[vapid moth]

Where the dude puts the stick in the wheel spokes

And blames some bullshit

[steep obsidian]

Think it’s in the relic list

You can’t edit an existing post on discord phone app your comment was just annoying is all

[vapid moth]

Yes you can

[steep obsidian]

Not the iPhone one

[vapid moth]

Yes you can

[steep obsidian]

Who cares abyway

Drop it

[vapid moth]

Admit you're wrong

[steep obsidian]

Admit you are annoying

[vapid moth]

I'm annoying. It's well known.

Oh look at that

Just edited the comment

On my iPhone

[solar willow]

Good morning

[vapid moth]

Morning

[fervent beacon]

Both of you are in the wrong channel

#subtlety is down there

[steep obsidian]

Lol

[vapid moth]

Ha

[solar willow]

Says the outlaw guy

[vapid moth]

That was the elephant in the room man

[fervent beacon]

Excuse me, did you just assume that I'm outlaw? I'm the Alacrity sin rogue

[vapid moth]

O

Shit

[solar willow]

🤔

[steep obsidian]

Ok I figured out how to edit s pay that ain’t intuitive on phone nothing like pc

Same

[vapid moth]

You coulda just asked

[solar willow]

I do high m+ with sub and do mythic raiding as assas what should i identify as

[vapid moth]

A druid

[solar willow]

I could do that but what spec

[vapid moth]

Resto

[solar willow]

What about race

[vapid moth]

Female goblin obviously

[solar willow]

I wish i could

[vapid moth]

Cooby ?

[spice frost]

Is there somewhere I can look that has all the the Assassination changes in alpha/beta listed? I know I can go through build by build, just want to know if it’s consolidated somewhere.

Sup

[vapid moth]

I mean. Icy veins has all past builds I guess though it might be for talents . Wow head has the orginal info

Takes some digging

[spice frost]

Yea, all I could find is scrolling through each build, cant find anything all inclusive.

[solar willow]

Yt video is where i keep updated about changes

[spice frost]

Also when did sin change from sweet green to weird teal? (Haven’t been here in a while as legion pretty static atm)

[solar willow]

😂 😂

[spice frost]

Ok, thanks I’ll look him up

[solar willow]

We are imposters

[vapid moth]

Lmao

I changed cause I like blue. Sin I'd still green

[solar willow]

That youtuber dalaran keeps updating on the rogue stuff

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vapid moth]

Ew a sub rogue

[civic palm]

_>

< _<

[vapid moth]

^_^

[civic palm]

o_o'

[solar willow]

@civic palmthis is our chat go away

[civic palm]

(Oo_o)--O come get some.

BAH

[solar willow]

U want some fam?

Go on then

[civic palm]

()()          Bunch
(>.>)         of
((_)(_)       Weirdos

FUCKING AHHHHHHH

NOPE lemme seee

[solar willow]

U got this

I believe

[civic palm]

CLOSE ENOUGH

[solar willow]

(''_)

[warm parcel]

One could also take their shit to dms and or #off-topic

[solar willow]

[civic palm]

They could. They could.

[solar willow]

Where do u guys farm coins of air IF u farm?

[void pecan]

in

#off-topic

[civic palm]

Yaknow that one place.

I posted a picture of it 2 years ago.

In Suramar there is a platform with 15 mobs and a Lich caster guy that goes back and forth.

He's a Raaaaare.

Top left corner

That is right outside the Vineyard portal.

pickpocket them all, then kill them, they respawn in like, 30 seconds.

[solar willow]

Hmmm. I tried farming antoran wastes. 10 mins i had 25k

[civic palm]

I don't feel like moving.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

First place I found, no one ever there.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep obsidian]

I got 50k coins from 1 pick in suramar

Hmm well might have been 20k was alot

Actually went to farm the barrel toys and it only took 45 mins or so

[civic palm]

Yeah

[solar willow]

Any1 progressing/killed M argus?

[fiery nest]

i got 20k coins today from a random table mission in order hall

usually its like 1-3k

[lost horizon]

@solar willow plenty of people here have argus experience, better off just asking your question(s)

[solar willow]

Our leader forced us to take versa haste buff to take less damage for progress sake. We have reached 3rd phase once now and he still wont give us our buff

[spare cloud]

Yeh smart decision to make the easy phases last longer for progression sake

[fervent beacon]

[fast nacelle]

what's up ....gcd.... m'ladies.... gcd.... o/

[lost horizon]

@solar willow is there a question there?

Cause that's pretty sad but

[viscid helm]

P1 is the hardest one

At this point

[plucky hornet]

don't see why it should be ... cone - move, escort blight - spread for rage- repeat

but ya, my guys have 300 wipes and our best attempt was 44% at P2

[past ridge]

@solar willow would say if you are at 3rd phase and ppl get the idea of the phase you should switch, specially if you phase him later then 6:32 - p3 is easy and with the new 5% HP nerf it will be a walk in the park

[viscid helm]

Yeh and what happens in p2 or 3

[quasi bay]

Anyone figured out the best 100 Talent for AoE atm on Beta

Feeling out what's best atm.

[viscid helm]

P2 dodge telegraphs

[plucky hornet]

Alpha is dead

[quasi bay]

Beta

my b a d

[viscid helm]

P3 dodge scythes like 3 times? By taking 2 steps

[past ridge]

ye, and watch out with Rage debuff stacking and help out with balls where its needed

[spare cloud]

I'm good at helping with balls

[midnight flower]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[steep obsidian]

You like balls?

[zealous dew]

lock 😄

gratz

[solar willow]

"Marked with a raven silhouette"

Its reset! time to do a zerg lightning speed run 975+ on heroic

[shrewd night]

Im like

@zealous dew 's ghost

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/278727821763805185/438602407640039426/7045efec5570ab612be185e87be7d462.png

Third week in a row with pants

[solid nova]

I'm on a 5 weeker for haste

Gonna be a 6th when i get home i can feel it

@shrewd night That's exactly what i got last week.

[zealous dew]

don't worry i got H/c belt on rogue

[quick ice]

975 memento 😄

[zealous dew]

kek

[quick ice]

sadly prog is over so people die less 😦

[spare cloud]

If anything people die more cuz content is over

I die all the time

[solid nova]

Abuse cloak to kill guild members to bump your own dps

Sacrifices must be made.

[quick ice]

seems like a solid plan

[zealous dew]

i wish a lot of haste procs

😄

[shrewd night]

Usually I run out with bombs before cloaking them off on argus

Last night some scrublord gave me a stack of rage

So I hit cloak

Right at the same time as I got bomb

[solid nova]

Wewlad

[shrewd night]

It went fine though, if anything it was perf 👌

[spare cloud]

Your fault

[zealous dew]

😄

[spare cloud]

I once came down from portal keeper running

[quick ice]

yeah that usually doesn't kill people unless its also right as tortured goes off?

[zealous dew]

memento on xavius tyr in DHT

100% uptime

[spare cloud]

With the dark debuff

Collapsing world was inside of me

I panic cloaked

[quick ice]

oh my

[zealous dew]

hahahaha

[quick ice]

problem with that is, its a waste of bodies to kill more than 3 people at once

omg I can be an LFR god

[zealous dew]

waste of procs you mean

[spare cloud]

You need to plan your resources carefully

They need to last the whole fight

[quick ice]

waste of bodies. there's a limited number of people you can kill off 😄

[zealous dew]

you can kill quite a lot if you plan properly

last 20% with wrists + memento is avg of 4m dps

go parse my son

[quick ice]

guild dead, gotta find new one 😦

kill argus, guild dies

[zealous dew]

lfr boy

[shrewd night]

Im waiting to see how many will stop raiding or leave the guild in three weeks

[zealous dew]

where argus reaches enrage and ppl do 300k dps

[quick ice]

why 3 weeks?

oh yeah, LFR parsing could be fun

[shrewd night]

Management put into rule that if you have been available for 5 kills, you can start rolling for mount. The first ones will be for people who were there for progress in feburary/march

Im assuming there will be words exchanging if one of us new guys get the mount before old members

[quick ice]

I rolled a 96 on our 1st kill

sadly someone rolled a 98

[zealous dew]

guild leavingfor a mount

lol

[viscid helm]

Its like 14 mounts more to go out

IF u do 1 kill per reset

8M for it rn and its just gonna start going up now

Ez munz

[steep obsidian]

they probably just made argus and agg easy enough for people who have beenf arming it for ages to do split runs

with no hassle

[turbid harbor]

the aggramar nerfs are hilarious

aggramar is no longer a boss

[midnight latch]

aggramar == eonar confirmed?

[turbid harbor]

pretty close

[fallen sandal]

guys is there a cast order to never break between toxic blade and kingsbane ?

[turbid harbor]

before you at least needed a semi competent raid leader to take the high energy ads in first

@fallen sandal if both are ready use tb then kb, if kb comes up a few seconds before you can kb then use tb on the last 9 seconds of kb

or if you have lots of energy just tb when it comes up and start blasting

[fallen sandal]

okty

[hardy reef]

Heyo, super new here, I dont know the exact wording, but how much Versatility do I want, and when is it a bad thing?

obvs stat weight sims are a thing but are they correct?

[brisk forge]

Sim yourself

Ofc

For assa is most likly mastery crit

[past ridge]

basicly it will be mast>crit>vers>>>>>>>>>>haste

[brisk forge]

Vers is more for sub, putlaw

[zealous dew]

vers is more for M+ as well

[hardy reef]

okay perfect, so why does icy veins have Vicious Flamepaws as BIS? boosted monkeys?

[jovial kite]

You shouldnt read icyveins

[past ridge]

icyveins is shit

[spare cloud]

Vers for m+?

I assume you mean mast > vers

[solid nova]

The only thing you need for m+ is PB.

[spare cloud]

@zealous dew

Crit loses value because of mantle in short fights

But mast is still opop

[zealous dew]

yeah you go mastery versa

for aoe at least

for bosses you stick to crit mastery

think i had some sweights for aoe

sec

nop only trinket comparisons

[lone junco]

My aoe weights. 210mastery 160 agi/verse 120crit 6 haste

[atomic grotto]

with how many targets do u sim beastlord

?

[shrewd night]

[atomic grotto]

?

[lone junco]

For m+. I use 20s 40s. Patchwerk. 1,4,8 mobs.

Take your pick.

[atomic grotto]

oh u sim patchwerk for aoe

[lone junco]

Only since they added the short timers.

[atomic grotto]

indeed

[lone junco]

And you can disable bloodlust.

[atomic grotto]

it sims legit

how do u disable lust

seems*

[lone junco]

Check box in the options will open the buff panel. Default is best buffs. You can uncheck lust.

[atomic grotto]

found it

sorry for bothering u

😃

[lone junco]

For scale. 20s 8mob My sin get like 8m. Sub 12m. Our ret gets 16m. Our arcane mage is like 30m

Some classes are way way better than others at m+ cleave.

DH pulls like 20M. At both 20s and 40sec. Which is rare.

[slim estuary]

OI boots and wrists or shoulders and wrists for argus m?

[shrewd night]

Sim it

[lone junco]

Argus M is almost always sin Bracers.

Other pieces are up to you.

I've seen shoulder/boot/insig.

[bleak adder]

damn just heard about hat aggra nerf

[lethal heart]

well both aggra and argus

[bleak adder]

yeah mu fury war friend isnt happy

he was looking forward to that execute

[lethal heart]

if you're about to progress the boss

he doesnt need to worry

it's bound to happen that people will be dead in execute

so he will steal their dps

[midnight latch]

Mr.StealUrDeeps

puts on shades

[bleak adder]

well hopefully my guild progresses soon still on coven

[shrewd night]

But

uuuuh

Technically, arent you progressing every raid?

[lethal heart]

i mean warrior feeds off people being dead in execute 😛

it's like monk aoe, the less aoe your raid grp has on antoran

the better/easier it is to pad

antoran is meme boss anyway

but if you bring enough poorly geared alts then 👌

[midnight latch]

@shrewd night speaking of progress

how are those cheeseburgers looking

[viscid helm]

You can now grip adds into one side of the room and leave them there

Just burn boss

No mechanics

[shrewd night]

@midnight latch Fresh as fuck, get yours while they are hot

[thorn pasture]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cP76GXYqAzTBajw8#fight=15&type=damage-done&source=254 can someonehelp me out i dont know why my damage is absolute garbage

my gear is not fully optimized but its pretty good

[spare cloud]

Read guide

Im stupid my bad

Sec im looking, phone is confusing

[zealous dew]

generated wieghts for m+8 t

[lethal heart]

i guess you wanna avoid having to refresh rupture during kingsbane

[midnight latch]

ITS OVER 9000

[spare cloud]

Wait

[prime void]

naya

shh

[zealous dew]

rip crit

close to haste 😄

[spare cloud]

Sebek that one was alright

He didnt drop envenom

Only like 1 sec

[lethal heart]

but thats only because he got lucky i think

with 4 cp muti

then

or he did some 3 cp envenom

[spare cloud]

Could be

[lethal heart]

that's a bad play that he got away by being lucky

i mean

idk

[spare cloud]

I shouldnt look at that kind of stuff on phone

[lethal heart]

😄

[thorn pasture]

what did i do wrong?

[spare cloud]

But yeah youre right

[thorn pasture]

apply rupture during kingsbane?

[lethal heart]

yea try to avoid doing that

once you go into kingsbane

[spare cloud]

You should keep envenom buff up

[lethal heart]

try to be preparaed and already have rupture for like ~18+ seconds

[prime void]

no second pot

[lethal heart]

or like even 15+ is fine

[prime void]

you rupture and garrote at the wrong time

your last vanish could have been stronger

and you had shit tb

shit pb *

tb usage was wrong too tho lol

[lethal heart]

don't get me wrong though @thorn pasture dont go out of your way to lose uptime on rupture to spam envenoms during kingsbane

rupture uptime is priority number 1 with garrote uptime

[spare cloud]

If anything refresh rupture in the last second

S

Last 4,9

[prime void]

i mean no

refreshing rupture at pandemic every time is meh

[spare cloud]

?

[prime void]

planning your ruptures effectively for fat KBs and TBs is better

always at pandemic = weird timings for me

CMON TOPH

WAKE UP

[lethal heart]

yea

[thorn pasture]

hmm okay

[lethal heart]

that's put up greatly

[spare cloud]

Thats not what i said

[lethal heart]

just plan your ruptures

[prime void]

YOU BULLY IVE MISSED YOU

I'm teasing toph

shh bb

did you get an argus rekill non shit parse?

[spare cloud]

Refreshing rupture in last 4,9 seconds of kb is not even a clear loss

If it messes up your timings

No

Like youre not gonna get much of an increase out of envenoming there

Instead of rupture

And you might lose smth afterwards

Cuz of cps

So rather keep the sot up for last 5 secs

Of kb

[thorn pasture]

nvm going outlaw

im fucking trash

vendetta just before assume command monkaS

[solid nova]

Well if you can identify and acknowledge the mistakes you can correct them fam.

[midnight latch]

asuming command on the internet

[viscid helm]

🚪

Now Naya

[lone junco]

@prime void shouldn't you be 😴

[lost goblet]

Yo guys, can't find this answer on Ravenholdt.. I'm looking for a quick tip on how to use Dreadlord's Deciet cloak in m+. Do I specifically hold it for 30 stacks, or just pop FoK on as a builder regardless and just live with the higher damage? I guess I open from stealth with FoK with high stacks because of Nightstalker?

[vapid moth]

Ya dont

At all

[dire spoke]

You don't use it on M+ if you have alternatives - when you need to equip it, you FoK anyways because it doesn't really have alot of output

[zealous dew]

you equip it first pull, and any pull where you can build stacks

in the vanish macro you swap to bracers

[lost goblet]

I just have bracers, cloak and Valeera legs, so I kinda have to use it.. 😦 Waiting for mantle still

[drifting cosmos]

the leg is pretty good

[crimson basin]

If tb and kb are up, which one should I use first? Tb to get more cp and damages from kb or kb to get a longer frame to envenom in tb?

[zealous dew]

tb then kb

[crimson basin]

Ty

[old comet]

hi guys

is it betetr to have 31 crit + 184 mastery or 25 crit + 197 mastery

[crimson basin]

Sim it

[old comet]

playing with shoulders + feet (not having wrist yet)

but like quickie, without simming, when does the mastery fall off?

[zealous dew]

never

[crimson basin]

It doesnt

25 crits might be too low without dogs or eoc trinkets

[old comet]

i have 25 crit unbuffed, wearing dog trink

[solid nova]

I mean the comparison sim in real time is going to take you under 5 minutes

🤷🏼

[crimson basin]

Anyway sims will tell you

[gloomy brook]

is shoulders worth dropping for 4set t21 (and equipping boots instead)?

with wrists ofc

[crimson basin]

[solid nova]

@gloomy brook Again, to find out what the dps loss/gain will be you'll need to sim it

[gloomy brook]

was mid raid but i simmed anyways and it resulted in 4set with boots and bracers (120k more dps with 4set)

[shrewd night]

@warm parcel ELI5 - Why is subt a dps increase on single target?

[turbid harbor]

questions like this always confuse me

i guess it depends on your definition of "why"

the answer is because it outputs slightly more damage

if you're looking for some strange interactions that doesn't really mean a lot

buffing your garrote by 125% every 2 mins is better than buffing a rupture by 50% outside of opener, and an envenom by 50% inside opener

[shrewd night]

I just dont understand why because garrote hits like a wet noodle. Like, average hit over 50 seconds with subterfuged garrote is 530 ish k

In my head, 23 seconds of empowered garrote every 2 minutes should not outdo ~32 seconds of empowered rupture

It makes no sense whatsoever to me

[turbid harbor]

rupture ticks roughly twice as hard

rupture is not the 30%+ overall dps on single target that it used to be

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6pykDHxgR4KWBw19#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=10

random log of mine from last week

only ever applied garrote to 1 target during subterfuge

[shrewd night]

Comparing it to mine; https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d2k8vmG96gw4h3YR#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=13

It doesnt look THAT different

I only applied garrote to one target as well

[turbid harbor]

looks pretty much the same

[shrewd night]

I just guess I cant wrap my head around the raw symbiosis that makes subt do more damage at perfect play

[warm parcel]

Youre comparing rup vs gar

When in reality its mostly env

Thats what apl uses with tb 99% of the time

Sub also gains a "free" emp on pull

Where as ns is "wasted" on garr on opener

[turbid harbor]

i thought it was just envenom on opener, makes sense you'd do it with other tb/vendetta overlaps during the fight

[fast nacelle]

[warm parcel]

Yea it really should

Apl just uses env if specced into tb

[shrewd night]

Interesting

That actually makes sense

[spare cloud]

Does apl actually use envenom without shoulders if specced into ns?

after vanish

[turbid harbor]

ya

[strange python]

This rogue in guild says mastery has cap for sin. Did he troll me?

[spare cloud]

Yes

[turbid harbor]

and ya

[dire spoke]

[warm parcel]

It has edge cases where it uses rup

Over env

[spare cloud]

isnt that dependant on vendetta duration?

[dire spoke]

It even has edge cases if you wear mantle

[warm parcel]

But I found just flat out blanketing rup wins

[dire spoke]

no, just pandemic timing

[warm parcel]

Ye the conditions are with mantle in mind

And are looser without

To almost nonexistent imo

So I just rup always

[spare cloud]

I mean

there is rarely a case where you would play without subterfuge if youre not rolling shoulders

isnt there?

[warm parcel]

Why would I play sub

Other than being currently specced into it

[spare cloud]

I mean I assume subterfuge would be a dmg increase over nightstalker without the guaranteed crit

due to it not costing a finisher, which means you have the free increased damage as well as another cp for a finisher to use afterwards

but in both cases you would use the same spells anways

so I guess it just comes down to which increase does more dmg

[dire spoke]

also depends if you're talented into MP or EP

[turbid harbor]

why?

[spare cloud]

I was talking about a subt mp build

lets say

boots bracers argus build

for example.

[dire spoke]

because EP buffs your finishing moves and MP does not

[warm parcel]

Its simple math

[turbid harbor]

ep buffs all your damage

[warm parcel]

125% garr 1.3
Vs
50% rup 1.3

[dire spoke]

I know but that was not my point

[spare cloud]

Ofc

Just too lazy 🤷

[turbid harbor]

ep vs mp doesn't make a difference

[spare cloud]

[jovial kite]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aaRGd8xRZgi4QCyupzVUuH

still 14k off

[spare cloud]

If you could only play up to your sims

you'd have sick logs

[jovial kite]

no

it would be around 90

and they mostly are over

[warm parcel]

Drunk again?

[jovial kite]

no

with 2.4m on garothi youd get probably around 90 percentile

[warm parcel]

90 what

[viscid helm]

2.4

[spare cloud]

2,4 on garothi is around 97

[viscid helm]

are we in Tomb

[jovial kite]

exactly

[warm parcel]

Thanks for the info

[mossy hazel]

Sweet, I'm simming up to 1.59 and I'm like on top of that

[spare cloud]

It's because you're the best

[mossy hazel]

Arrrrouund

[lunar berry]

how do i get to the Aethys channel?

[spare cloud]

whats the aethys channel

I want to go there too

[lunar berry]

He's suppose to have one,

[warm parcel]

Wrong discord

[lunar berry]

ah

[jovial kite]

and btw toph i know youre memeing but i wouldnt with 1.1 on argus

[spare cloud]

wow dude

[turbid harbor]

yikes

[spare cloud]

I was joking

and you go against me full on armed

[jovial kite]

shhbby

is k

[spare cloud]

what a dick

[turbid harbor]

that's below the belt

😄

[jovial kite]

vanish cheapshot

[spare cloud]

How many tries do you have on argus?

[mossy hazel]

Eesh, even I cringed

[spare cloud]

Just bullied everyone that has killed argus

[turbid harbor]

are you going to kill it again tho

[spare cloud]

I have killed it 2 times

[turbid harbor]

ya

but make it 3?

[spare cloud]

If I bought it

why would I buy twice?

[turbid harbor]

tru

[jovial kite]

for loot?

[spare cloud]

argus loot as rogue

[jovial kite]

bis relic for the bis build 🤷🏿

[turbid harbor]

yea nice weak point relic

[dire spoke]

has a nice sub ring

[spare cloud]

worth buying the kill for 4 Mil

just for sub ring

and wp fel relic

[dire spoke]

amanthuls

[spare cloud]

totally worth the money

tbh.

[jovial kite]

maybe so bad cant even go normal argus for golga up so you just buy mythic instead 🤔

[spare cloud]

Yes

[jovial kite]

knew it

[spare cloud]

You got me slagg

[jovial kite]

i think ill go mainraid with dh

[spare cloud]

I want to go mainraid with warrior

[jovial kite]

fukin 959 -970 in one reset

[spare cloud]

My warrior almost sims as much

[jovial kite]

my dh is 170k behind rouge

[spare cloud]

my warrior is like 40k behind

with 12 ilvl less

and suboptimal legendaries

[mossy hazel]

If my guild is terribad, what's the best way for me to go about getting into heroic, with my whopping 1.6m deeps?

[spare cloud]

Pug

then find a better guild

[prisma gull]

My rogue is 160k behind my warlock. Shit leggos and 24~ levels lower

[spare cloud]

okay lul

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/50f741fd81a0d5a020a24548a3ea2ed5?token=aae5ee47330400a9ad8dc9491fe58022

r8 my sub st

[spare cloud]

42% crit

thefuck

[viscid helm]

why does it look like 144p

[jovial kite]

low settings on laptop

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/011143060f76f740a0d4398eaa6ede07

rate mine too

pls

[turbid harbor]

that's pretty filthy

[spare cloud]

relics are shit though

and i could regem for versatility

as well

Only play sub in m+ so doesnt really matter anyways

[turbid harbor]

it's actually pretty similar to my t21 4p

i always play 2p2p

[spare cloud]

I could go 2p2p as well

But i would lose a ton of versa

From legs and chest

I run gloves and chest in aoe gear

[turbid harbor]

https://gyazo.com/e95c776698188253b5d0641ea10e630d

[spare cloud]

Also nice stats

Probably better relics though

In exchange for ilvl

[turbid harbor]

i have a light speed and a soul shadows

other than that they're good

[spare cloud]

Yeh i basically just have high ilvl

I have like 1 good trait

[mossy hazel]

What do you guys run for assassination relics, by the way?

[turbid harbor]

whatever we can get our hands on 😄

[spare cloud]

I run shit.

[turbid harbor]

currently i'm 1ma, 1bb, 2malch and 2 envenom

[mossy hazel]

I have 3 MA, too much?

[dire spoke]

check out herodamage.com to answer that question

[mossy hazel]

Sorry, master Alch

[spare cloud]

3x ma, 1x bb, 1x malch, 1x GW

[turbid harbor]

sim different relic options for yourself

ilvl of relic matters too

[spare cloud]

ILVL MATTERS

[mossy hazel]

Yea I have no idea how to read this hero damage site. Lol

But it looks like MAss, MAlch, MAss is the best combo

[turbid harbor]

yes, but not by so much that ilvl is irrelevant

[mossy hazel]

Fair enough

Why do you guys have 6, btw?

[spare cloud]

Nether crucible?

[turbid harbor]

yea

my envenoms come in thick and juicy

with 6 traits

🤤

[spare cloud]

got the 10m envenoms with ns and fang procc?

[turbid harbor]

nah i've not seen over 9m

[spare cloud]

On kin

kappa

[turbid harbor]

i don't like talking about kin

i get tilted

[lean hill]

I can get them to 13mil sometimes on kin if stuff lines up

[grim wolf]

man i really gotta do mythic ToS for that xmog ur rocking @spare cloud

[lean hill]

Feelsbad when it only hits for 9

[spare cloud]

Yeh

@grim wolf have fun getting the shoulders

[turbid harbor]

i've seen 14.2m on kin

i get more tilted by le poison bomb

[grim wolf]

i'm dreading it already toph lol

[dire spoke]

[mossy hazel]

So I've read in a bunch of places that MAss in second relic slot is bad... Why is it any different from the others? I don't understand how the same relic can be different between slots

[dire spoke]

Sources please

But I highly believe you read it wrong

[mossy hazel]

I'll see if I can find where else I've read that, but this isn't the only place I've seen it

Ah, you know what I did misread it

[dire spoke]

the sixth MAss is punishing for mantle-bracers as it desyncs vendetta

doesn't has to do anything with the relic slot

[lean hill]

Yea was gonna say, think you may be slightly confused

[mossy hazel]

"The second Master Assassin relic only adds a negligible boost, and therefore it is advised that you only use 1 or 3 Icon Master Assassin relics."

"Master Assassin (first relic or third relic);"

I interpreted it as slots, not number of relics

[dire spoke]

there you go

[mossy hazel]

By bad on that, guys, thanks

[lean hill]

So you want 1 or 3. Beware with 3

Since you can only ever replace with another mass

[turbid harbor]

cheeky korean boy with r1 kingaroth used 975 horn of valor

[mossy hazel]

I mean right now I have 3Malchs, I might replace 1 with MAssn

If I can find it...

[dire spoke]

or just have both

🤷🏻

[spare cloud]

the korean boy uses horn on every boss

not just kin

[lean hill]

I had 3ma 3malch but had to replace one of the malch last night with BB

Well I didnt have to but I want a 1k weapon damn it

[turbid harbor]

really lol

that's quite funny

i have a 960 and all my other trinkets are shit

will prob try on kingaroth

[mossy hazel]

are there any sites out there that I can view my NC paths? I don't actually know what mine are off the top of my head Lol

I don't see it on armory or wowlogs

[spare cloud]

ingame

🤷

[lean hill]

Wowlogs will show you how many points in traits you have

[mossy hazel]

Yea, trying to work it out from that

[lean hill]

So anything with 5 you have a relic

5/6/7

[dire spoke]

you realize that simulating relics is a thing, I hope?

[mossy hazel]

Alright, so I have 3Malch, 1Gushing, 1 MAssn, 1Toxic Blades

I KNOW it's a thing, but I don't know how...

[dire spoke]

I will tell him, don't answer here

[spare cloud]

Zempai taking it to private chat

uh oh

[mossy hazel]

I'm in trouble...

[dire spoke]

still want my

[vapid moth]

O.o

[warm parcel]

https://i.imgur.com/XPsde9U.png

[vapid moth]

Lucky fucker @warm parcel

[warm parcel]

❤

[spare cloud]

Lucky you dont play the char anymore

[dire spoke]

I hate my nibble tbh, on use

[spare cloud]

too many clicks

Zempai you should've tried warrior in the beginning of the expansion

[dire spoke]

as long as there are not more than 9 buttons to a rotation I'm fine

[spare cloud]

what if you need to use multiple abilities at the same time

[dire spoke]

this one also hard https://snag.gy/v8KCXF.jpg

[steep obsidian]

cheating you have keys bound

[dire spoke]

oh god with all the abilities going away I need to redo all bartender setups

I didn't think of that yet

REEEE

[hard gust]

hey guys how do i sim races again? copy1="xxx" race=nightborne returns an error for me

[alpine pier]

nightborne racial is waste of gcd lul

[hard gust]

ye but 1% magic dmg

i figure it would be atleast a little bit impactful in a poison build

[alpine pier]

it would probably be about 1% impactful

[dire spoke]

also, you better ask var inputs in #tc-research

[viral vapor]

this might be a dumb question that was answered somewhere but does mastery increase the damage of toxic blade and envenom?

[turbid harbor]

yes it does

and it's not a dumb question

blizzard are incredibly vague when they mention 'poisons' or 'nature' damage

[marble hemlock]

yup

i.e. both bracers and our mastery increase "the damage of our poisons" yet one of them affects stuff like envenom/tb, the other doesnt

[viral vapor]

thats very strange

[dire spoke]

envenom is a physical hit

that causes poisons to stick

[turbid harbor]

😒

[dire spoke]

no?

[turbid harbor]

idk if you're trolling

but for the hundreds of lurkers

it deals spell damage and scales with our mastery

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/d09037faad206b621bf3fb8bdcaf688f

ARE YOU SAYING

nature dmg is spell dmg?

[turbid harbor]

if you ever want to play an average mini game

try to cast envenom on a target with bop

you won't have fun

but your envenom will deal damage 😄

[spare cloud]

how do I get enough cp for envenom on a bop'd target

[marble hemlock]

hit something that doesnt have bop? mfd?

[spare cloud]

mfd

[marble hemlock]

hey, you wanted an answer 😄

[spare cloud]

not a realistic testing scenario!

But envenoming a target with bop is

[marble hemlock]

no its not

[turbid harbor]

i did it to get the prestige 2 dagger appearance

i did not have fun

[marble hemlock]

envenoming a target with bop means theres either a holy, a ret or a prot paladin in front of you, or next to the one in front of you

[turbid harbor]

but my envenom went through bop 😄

and the target was slain

[marble hemlock]

if its a prot or holy, youre not going to have fun because of pure of heart, if its a ret he usually has a hot-healer and that gets you into the same quagmire :x

[strange python]

I'm sorry if this has been discussed but I was looking over the bfa talents and was thinking... We currently use nightstalker with the leggo shoulders to synergize envenom damage. With the master assassin talent being on the same tier as nightstalker does anyone think we would still use vanish envemon or go back to vanish rupture?

[spare cloud]

not clear yet

too early.

[gaunt moat]

like toph said, no research has been done into it
but feelcraft-wise
why would you ever want to use MA talent

[spare cloud]

why is feelcraft not a banned word yet

[gaunt moat]

because you're allowed to express your thoughts?

[spare cloud]

Why

[wintry blaze]

Should i swap 955 balanced blade relic out for a 945 master alchemist ?

[steep obsidian]

sim it

id say yes but sim it

also depends on nlc obv

[spare cloud]

Sim it

no feelcraft for this expansion

[steep obsidian]

same

[spare cloud]

only about bfa

[wintry blaze]

Bfa is a trash expeansion no need to worry about it

[spare cloud]

then stop asking such questions

[wintry blaze]

Was not directed to a random like you though

[spare cloud]

okay

Sorry

[dire spoke]

LMFAO

[gaunt moat]

@spare cloud can you relax please?

jeeez

[spare cloud]

What

I was joking

<.<

sorry

[steep obsidian]

[spare cloud]

In case you didn't pick it up as such

[gaunt moat]

yeah i was also just joking, if you didn't pick up on it

[spare cloud]

Okay then

I can continue?

[hoary copper]

I think Notter needs your sarcasm image from big bang theory

[dire spoke]

@spare cloud filthy noname

[gaunt moat]

sabod did

[spare cloud]

@steep obsidian You backstabbing me

[stark heart]

Rogue fantasy btw

Do et from behind

[spare cloud]

I forgot my identity after getting roasted by the dude

someone help

[hoary copper]

Im a rogue in real life then!

[steep obsidian]

never

i always frontstab

[spare cloud]

What kind of rogue are you

[strange python]

I wasn't aware we could run Sims for alpha yet. To be honest I don't think MA could be horrible just different flavor. The tier 15 and 30 talents are the ones that got me going "hmm? What to choose"

[steep obsidian]

a bad one

[stark heart]

Don't think we started on Assa apl yet

[hoary copper]

Idk, I've been called a certain kind of pirate

[dire spoke]

there is only one pirated

[gaunt moat]

@strange python dude 3 full second of +50% crit... that sounds like shit to me :X

can get only 2 envenoms in

[stark heart]

Ma is a weird talent, 50% crit can be good sim-wise but would you take it since it's not guaranteed mini burst from vanish while other 2 talents have no such rng?

[steep obsidian]

they still might tweak

[gaunt moat]

not likely

[steep obsidian]

if it was 5 sec there wouldnt be a choice in taht row

[stark heart]

I think it's possible

[steep obsidian]

or much of one

mayb 4 sec?

[stark heart]

Complete redesign is off the table

[gaunt moat]

maybe they will add some azerite trait that increases damage after breaking stealth though... who knows

[stark heart]

I think ma falls into that talent where you don't have good tuning knobs

Crit is just bad for that since it provides predictability