assassination

[lunar coral]

🤔

[steep obsidian]

of course but its frustrating as hell, i used to have to run to the back of the room on krosus because our ranged were too lazy to move to the far soaks otherwise we'd wipe repeatedly

[marble hemlock]

depends a lot on comp too

if you dont have many of the good classes that can deal with it better than you can

[steep obsidian]

then it like "why your boss dps a bit low oher rogues do more" 😡

[marble hemlock]

you may want to have to help out

just because other classes can do 70+mil and assa can only do 30

doesnt mean you shouldnt try to help out when its whats keeping you from progressing

[hard nexus]

Personally i just focus envenomed the add on progress

[lunar coral]

oh, no we're already doing the 30m

they think we should be closer to 100m

[marble hemlock]

LUL

tell them theyre retarded

[lunar coral]

yea we're already switching and donig what we can to help

[marble hemlock]

in that case

[lunar coral]

and it's still not enough

[marble hemlock]

youre doing the best you can

and its up to the rest to do their part

[viscid helm]

Find a new guild

[marble hemlock]

welcome to progressing

[lunar coral]

it's a farm boss LOL

[marble hemlock]

where you usually wait for everyone else to grasp the boss the way you do, so you can finally kill it

varimathras is always progress

because people seem to forget whats important on that boss

and constantly fuck up

[lunar coral]

well yea that's true especially when we have diff ppl in

[marble hemlock]

and it starts all over again every week

because you always have those 3-4 people that think to themselves "this time i can relax and not try as hard as i did last week" and it leads to you wiping again

[lunar coral]

@viscid helm the casual 6 hr week fits what i need tho 😦

[marble hemlock]

i mean i still spec into elusiveness and feint every single charge

losing a lot of dps because of it, but id rather be safe than sorry

[viscid helm]

This is why healers exist

IF i die i just call them fucking idiots

[fervent beacon]

Just FOKIN the add.

[steep obsidian]

i only worry about feint if my cheat is on cd or if im taking damage and not hitting anythin for a bit

[marble hemlock]

yeah well

wiping and calling others idiots vs not wiping because you sacrificed some dps to secure the kill

ill always choose option2

[viscid helm]

There is literally nothing to heal on vari

[marble hemlock]

at the end of the day i cannot change or influence how others are playing, no matter how much i talk to them, show them logs how its done, or link videos to povs

[viscid helm]

1 healer keeps tanks up

[steep obsidian]

cheat is s dps cd though!

if you go the whole fight withotu using it it a waste

[marble hemlock]

only thing i can actively influence, is my own gameplay, so i do that instead

[viscid helm]

IF the rest cant keep the rogue up

Its time to replace some healers

[marble hemlock]

yeah, were just lazy and dont want to switch ours with any of the 5000 applicants we have

oh wait....

[steep obsidian]

there is a diff in the guild where you prog in the first week or 2 compared to where you still prog months later obv

[marble hemlock]

not like good healers grow on trees, ready to be picked up by a guild that only raids 2 days a week

[fervent beacon]

@viscid helm my guild recently fell apart but majority of core members including myself reformed a new one.

[marble hemlock]

and even if they did, i dont mind feinting every charge if it means they can focus their attention elsewhere

i can start not feinting once we hit enrage and actually need the dps

[lunar coral]

well i used to carry heals for them back in nh and tos

[fervent beacon]

Because the GM refused to step down even tho his computer is shit to run the game ATM

And couldn't raid for months

[lunar coral]

but due to schedule issues, went dps so it's not a core role where if i'm missing some days it's ok

[marble hemlock]

if you want it done right, you have to do it yourself

always been my motto :/

cant rely on anyone

[warm parcel]

Thats why flowi always wins in dps🤔

He pads and doesnt feint

[viscid helm]

SURE buddy

[jovial kite]

[plain thistle]

[jovial kite]

firewerks yo

[shrewd night]

It's too early for this shit

[marble hemlock]

fuck, its summertime again, weeklychest doesnt become available until 9

why the fuck did i stay up for 20min

[shrewd night]

Same reason I stopped heading to work after 8

Now I have to wait until 5

[marble hemlock]

im off to bed, seeya

lul

[shrewd night]

Fu

[fervent beacon]

Fu2

[shrewd night]

[fervent beacon]

Btw sin feels pretty decent on Alpha.

[shrewd night]

Don't let flowi see you say that

[fervent beacon]

[shrewd night]

Using dispatch or nah?

Or whatever it's called now

[fervent beacon]

Trying it. Don't think MP is worth it just yet.

Having a free CP builder is nifty tho.

[shrewd night]

Brb gotta walk a little

[fervent beacon]

Don't die.

[atomic grotto]

helloooo

[shrewd night]

no u

[atomic grotto]

omae wa shindeiru

[stark heart]

@fervent beacon decent until you realize it has nothing to care about

[warm parcel]

[atomic grotto]

am i the only one who thinks the last talent row in alpha is meh?

[warm parcel]

No

2 are controversial

And ct useless on st

[stark heart]

[viscid helm]

They should remove the intial hit from CT

[atomic grotto]

they should delete PB from the game

rng is not fun

[viscid helm]

Might as well delete the whole game then

Nothing wrong with pb

[atomic grotto]

i would prefer to use CT for single target instead of playing PB

[viscid helm]

Why the f would they implement 2 bleed finishers for ST

Makes no sense

[atomic grotto]

yeap

[viscid helm]

Pb is 20% in BFA

Its fine

[atomic grotto]

still its a percent

[viscid helm]

The game needs rng elements in it

[atomic grotto]

isnt critical chance enough rng?

[shrewd night]

Are you for real fam

[atomic grotto]

?

[drifting cosmos]

[warm acorn]

[civic palm]

Flowi is right though, they need to remove the initial hit from CT.

[brisk forge]

Removing rng will destroy the game

[civic palm]

That's why we still have Crit, PBomb is only 20%, Seal Fate is a thing, etc.

[atomic grotto]

why would it destroy the game?

[shrewd night]

Because rng is actually pretty exciting

[viscid helm]

It would make it even more stale

[civic palm]

Yeah randomness is exciting.

[shrewd night]

Try to play firemage without rng

ahahahaha

[viscid helm]

Its already shit

[atomic grotto]

meh

[civic palm]

Frost mage with no procs O _O

[shrewd night]

Or fuck it, elemental shaman without rng

wew lad

[civic palm]

aka Elemental with no Mastery.

No thanks.

[brisk forge]

yeah the rng adds some excitment to it

[civic palm]

I played Vanilla > _>

[shrewd night]

Elemental in vanilla, you heretic

[civic palm]

"Elemental"

aka

Restoration but there's a Lightning Bolt!!

and the Rogue is flame shocked, the warrior is frost shocked, and I am a doggo.

[zealous dew]

ready for the weekly disappointment ?

[viscid helm]

Cant wait for classic

Gimme

[brisk forge]

Eww dont talk about it.

that weekly never procs anything good for moi,,

but who knows maybe the rng is on my side today 😉

[viscid helm]

Same

But then again

Havent done weekly in the past 8 months

[shrewd night]

id be in on weekly disappointment, but cant open before 5pm

zzzzzzz

[brisk forge]

Better to not do it and you wont be disappointed ;P

[stark heart]

why CT initial hit has to go tho?

what is the point?

[viscid helm]

To strong mate

[civic palm]

Too much damage.

Applies poisons.

etc.

[viscid helm]

Spamming CT

[civic palm]

Since there is damage there it means it can proc anything that procs from attacks as well.

[viscid helm]

Seems weird

[shrewd night]

What, so the rotation is like mut>ct>mut>ct on aoe?

[civic palm]

Not quite.

If you have NS empowerment you don't refresh.

[viscid helm]

Nahh you do

[civic palm]

Otherwise with the DMG it has at the moment yeah you CT spend on 3+ targets.

[viscid helm]

Cos the St dmg is still so much more

Than env

[stark heart]

well numbers are fixable

[shrewd night]

CT on ST

[zealous dew]

CT on CD

[shrewd night]

This is FoK all over again

[civic palm]

It's shorter than Garrote as well so keeping it up feelsbadman.

[stark heart]

well when I didn't refresh it was quite fine

short duration is an advantage because you don't lose much uptime if mobs die before it ticked fully

[civic palm]

Correct.

[stark heart]

like multi rupturing seems weird because what would live 20+ seconds

realistically

[brisk forge]

First week during Antorus i got a uppgrade on my Rogue 😮

from weekly*

[shrewd night]

Id like a crit/mastery bracer so I can try out insignia/boots without feeling bad

[civic palm]

The NRG regen is too great though.

[stark heart]

also initial hit being stronk might be just low mastery thing

since bleed portion scales with it now

[civic palm]

and as bad as it feels, I'd rather have to FoK and CT my targets to get poisons on them.

and not have CT do it all.

[brisk forge]

Got a nice belt with crit/mastery to replace my 960 socket from vari

[stark heart]

CT doesn't proc VW

[civic palm]

RNG regen was about multi-Rupture

Feels bad due to the duration but the regen is too good.

[stark heart]

I opted to multi garrote for energy

[civic palm]

Works as well.

[stark heart]

my strat on pack was rupture one, spread garrote on CD, CT once and then env

[civic palm]

If not better with T20/etc.

[stark heart]

doesn't mean it's optimal one of course

[fervent beacon]

If the VA proc off CT, CT will be picked 100% of the time just solely for extra energy return

[stark heart]

t20
ct

are we talking alpha or live?

[viscid helm]

Pre patch

Yo

[stark heart]

[civic palm]

I am getting mixed up is all, sorry about that.

ALL ALPHA ALL THE TIME

Retail is Dead.

[fervent beacon]

I can't wait to meme with OL again to kill Argus on mythic

Blade rush is mad fun and basically a charge, so running that with grappling hook for insane mobility.

[viscid helm]

But its outlaw

[stark heart]

blade rush is cool but it's visual is....

[viscid helm]

[stark heart]

underwhelming

[civic palm]

Yeaaaaaaaaaah

[fervent beacon]

Yeah I do agree that the visual is pretty underwhelming

[stark heart]

also BR really feels like better KS

(will mods ban us for outlaw talk in #assassination ?)

[civic palm]

Nah.

[stark heart]

[civic palm]

It's late/early.

[fervent beacon]

I hadn't played with KS just because I know the ability and wanted to try out blade rush more.

[stark heart]

well if you know KS and BR then you know that they do the same

but I felt way better with BR

the only reason I see for KS is some timing perfection for it

[fervent beacon]

I just hate the LD, Alacrity and SnD row

Yeah, I do feel more damage output because you also get 25 energy on use with BR. KS is just straight up damage, so I'm thinking with enough haste, we can switch to KS for more damage.

Also, I feel like having 5 buffs is very impactful on the alpha than live tbh.

[brisk forge]

KS is such a fun ability tho 😄

[stark heart]

It's loss of control

It's not a gap closer

And it doesn't generate energy

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[civic palm]

Well I mean... you are generating energy while you can't do anything > _>"

Feels Good.

[turbid oxide]

it also doesn't do AoE when you don't have BF up

[civic palm]

Right.

Megabutt.

Though I suppose that's a good point for having control?

[turbid oxide]

I played with both a fair amount on alpha in both dungeons and questing

pretty much all around blade rush just feels better to use

blade rush feels like a thing you would talent into to replace and improve killing spree

longer range, no lockdown, gives energy, lower CD

[stark heart]

You forgot gap closer 😏

It's cool to tricks, bf and rush into pack

[midnight latch]

hold my beer I am going in

[viscid helm]

Naya

[zealous dew]

nice cat Naya

[viscid helm]

Gtfo

[midnight latch]

^ how is this guy not banned

[primal maple]

How good is the leggo feet compared to let's say the bracers 😮

[midnight latch]

@zealous dew thx fam I do what I can

[jovial kite]

What happened to flowis mod app

[zealous dew]

my cat

[midnight latch]

@primal maple For example on a boss where you can make use of the Execute Bracers are really strong. On bosses where you can't get much out of the execute boots would be considered better. You can sim though which is better for your Gear in a normal Bossfight with execute raidbots.com

[viscid helm]

Nice cat

[civic palm]

Clearly doesn't want its' fucking picture taken though.

[zealous dew]

he plays boomie

feral doesn't do dmg

[primal maple]

Alright! Thanks @midnight latch

[midnight latch]

@zealous dew HUMAN WHAT ARE U DOIN

[stark heart]

stahp turning spec channel into underbelly

[viscid helm]

[midnight latch]

@primal maple your welcome. Good example btw for bracers endboss in Eye is god tier

@viscid helm bae caught me sleepin or?

[viscid helm]

[midnight latch]

also

[zealous dew]

catparade

[midnight latch]

Helsinki on ur blanket

how more finnish can u be?

[zealous dew]

the cat chose the blanket

not flowi

[midnight latch]

oh

so proper finnish cat

I see

[jovial kite]

I mean

Finland = helsinki

inb4 butthurt hillbillies

[shrewd night]

Sub-region: Greater Helsinki

Thanks wikipedia

[zealous dew]

game realizes i'm switching

[shrewd night]

bruh

dat speed

[viscid helm]

960

[zealous dew]

😦

[midnight latch]

thats a good sub ring

I like it

[zealous dew]

me too

[viscid helm]

To bad sub is dead

[midnight latch]

pull big enough in dungeons sub no longer dead

if tank pulls like 4 mobs

sub actually dead

[zealous dew]

yeah don't pug as sub

[midnight latch]

sometimes u just have to make it viable

or u know the tank

[zealous dew]

you end up dead

[midnight latch]

and its a bdk

so he doesnt need heal

[zealous dew]

those BDKs

clearly balanced

[midnight latch]

pulls half the dungeons
pops vb
3.8million hps

[fervent beacon]

I tried playing sub and its always when I'm baked as f and keep fucking everything up

[midnight latch]

dont do drugs

ez fix

[zealous dew]

don't go with a tonk pulling 1 mob at a time

[atomic jolt]

@fervent beacon that's exactly my problem too

But then I tried outlaw and slayed it in slice and dice 😂

[shrewd night]

Bolstering, Skittish, Fortified (EU)

RIP

IN

PIECES

[fervent beacon]

It's easy key to push this week, wtf are you talking about

[shrewd night]

Its a no-pug week

[prisma gull]

I tried it sober and fucked everything. Think ill stick to sin. Except maybe outlaw for mage tower :p

[shrewd night]

What is you sayin'

[fervent beacon]

Is EU really that fucking bad?

[shrewd night]

Most pugs Ive ran with could win the darwin award

[zealous dew]

if only you had a rogue in the group

or huntard

[midnight latch]

why do you run pugs thou

[zealous dew]

but sure stick to 3x monks 😄

[midnight latch]

we are missing like 1 or at most 2 ppl

[fervent beacon]

to stroke my ego obv

[midnight latch]

find some friends and stroke the keys togehter

[shrewd night]

Stroke the keys

[midnight latch]

like CoS with pugs

guard with the worms

aoe fiesta

gaurd 13 stacks

thx fam

[fervent beacon]

You know the trick for that?

[viscid helm]

Go back to FF Naya

[midnight latch]

you know the trick to that you have a disc who mind controls the big mobs

[zealous dew]

what trick ?

[midnight latch]

and you can blow em up

[zealous dew]

lol disc

[fervent beacon]

Yeah, I do that as outlaw with bribe.

[zealous dew]

lol outlaw

[shrewd night]

Organizing pugs is like herding cats tho

Why would you even try

[fervent beacon]

It's pretty much the only time that I used bribe in this expan

beside the murloc before harj that does about 12% of my overall damage

[midnight latch]

@zealous dew I borrow u our disc for like some dungeons and we can talk after

he actually plays the spec not like that atomic jak dude who casts mdi

[zealous dew]

i prefer resto drood aoeing on trash

and dpsing the boss

meow meow

[midnight latch]

have u seen a full offensive disc on a boss?

[lucid latch]

@midnight latch hey... om confuse

isnt 5 mobs ideal

for sub

why u want more

cuz

[midnight latch]

look

[lucid latch]

u can fan right

then evis

with 5

its same as 50

u still fan

then evis

[fervent beacon]

[zealous dew]

boss dmg is close to irrelevant when on trash you pull 2m

and cat does 1m on boss

[shrewd night]

I like the concept of disc, but pls

[lucid latch]

@midnight latch pls explain...

[shrewd night]

@midnight latch pls repsond

[fervent beacon]

@midnight latch you alive?

[zealous dew]

he's trying to convince me that disc is better than resto 😃

I'm a fan of disc but resto is better 😃

[midnight latch]

if u rupture all those mobs and have poison ticking there is not much difference between dps
and u CAN kneecap urself pretty quick on 5 mobs by bursting them down with dfa quickly
@lucid latch Ur approach is completely correct
But on large pulls you hit more mobs with the Cleave part of DFA. Like everything that can hit more mobs gets amplified
if you look at the Dfa combo in a vacuum all u said was correct

[viscid helm]

My fucking eyes

[midnight latch]

@viscid helm

@zealous dew I didnt try to sell u on disc

at the end of the day if u have a restro take him dunno

I am just saying you can make anything work in m+ to a certain level

some stuff just needs more effort

asside from Shadowpriest in m+

cause fuck that spec no utility or dmg at all

might aswell tap my right arm on my back

K I move my ass over to #off-topic and dont say notting anymore
fuckin bullies

[jovial kite]

i wasnt laughing at u naya

Its flowis response and avi

@midnight latch

Like

Flowi is the embodiment of his avi

[zealous dew]

very true

anything works

look at this lovely EoA pug

and i mean EoA

TOP LUL

2 mobs at a time

@midnight latch

[midnight latch]

how can u pull two mobs out of those 5 crab packs or murlocs thou

[shrewd night]

CC three

[zealous dew]

well crabs

he even dared to pull 1 pack

but 1 hydra at a time

or hardshells

[lost horizon]

You can actually pull crabs separately LOL

[zealous dew]

yeah true

[lost horizon]

You can get 3 and then 2 stay behind without cc

I've done it accidentally when tanking it's weird af

[zealous dew]

yellow blobs 2 pulls

even if they don't bolster

better safe than sorry

[shrewd night]

I just bodypull and thrash

Because Im not a pussy

[zealous dew]

😄

[midnight latch]

u can taunt them like single ones at a time I know.
works also in vault with the dogs around that fel-lady downstairs before the eye boss

[zealous dew]

oh vault, gonna pull the small things into big packs

for fun 😄

[midnight latch]

@shrewd night I said that exact line while pulling both packs of worms
in Nel before wormboss
without boneshield up or any other cd for that matter

what a rude awakening that was

[lost horizon]

Nah man it's all about tossing the shield at the crabs expecting it to bounce and hit em all.. then you only get 3

[midnight latch]

followed by ppl dieing from laughter on coms

[shrewd night]

@midnight latch Blame healer

Case closed

[zealous dew]

why didn't he sac you ?

bad healer

[midnight latch]

cause disc have no sac

[zealous dew]

psup!

[midnight latch]

died to quick

[lost horizon]

Should've gripped you out

[shrewd night]

Lifegrip + Feather

[lost horizon]

You're a DK CBA to use your legs pfft

[zealous dew]

lulz

[shrewd night]

Boom, you in africa bru

[midnight latch]

well I got more smartz
never pulling those packs without boneshield and a cd rolling
cant trust healer

[zealous dew]

or you can dnd then ranged mg into dnd and RUUUUUUUUUUN

[shrewd night]

@zealous dew Is this where you go all 'SEE THIS IS WHY DISC IS BAD HUEHUE'

[zealous dew]

sometime i feel sorry for priests in hov though

when they try to cope with hyrja

😄

[midnight latch]

well hyrja isnt that bad for disc i feel

[zealous dew]

had one crying on comms on her

can't remember around 20 tyr

[midnight latch]

have u tried that with a monk?

[zealous dew]

what's a monk?

[midnight latch]

like I almost deleted my monk heal

cause I was tilted of the face of the earth

[zealous dew]

hehe

[midnight latch]

have everything running with mists and shit

[zealous dew]

haven't seen a monk healer

in years

[midnight latch]

grp still declining rapidly

but

slower

[shrewd night]

Isnt that what the purpose of a healer is though

[midnight latch]

meanwhile pala

one heal

crit

139010167510361703617 hp restored

[zealous dew]

on whole party 😃

BoV

[shrewd night]

Check your healing privilege fam

[jovial kite]

im fucking dead

Ate too many tortillas

Send superwide transport

And halp

[shrewd night]

Ill provide help

in exchange for tortillas

[midnight latch]

@jovial kite just workout

deadlift that robot

[shrewd night]

Or make your intern fuck it up again

That way you can go home and rest the tortillas off

Like honestly, you dont want to be at work when they want to get out of your body

[jovial kite]

i literally rolled out of the diner

Send halp

send helicopter

[jovial kite]

im currently stuck

in a complete roll position

And cant get uo

UP

[shrewd night]

Roll onto your robot

And have it cut excess fat off

[zealous dew]

lol this one

imonar anyone ?

[jovial kite]

I cant roll

I've reached critical mass

[midnight latch]

@zealous dew I wish I would have streamed our imonar progress

holy shit dude

dispel DISPEL DISSSSSSSSSSSSPELL

[zealous dew]

lol

dispel me

dispeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel

fuck it bring 14 rogues and cloak it

[shrewd night]

Tbh, we had trigger happy dispels in my case. Dispelled before melee could outrange badly placed canisters

[zealous dew]

zzzzz zzzz zzzzz

[solar willow]

hmmmmm

[shrewd night]

Yes?

[solar willow]

i didn't know i should simc with my poisons on

i simmed without and with poisons and i sim 1.1k higher

i simmed 2.208.1 with poisons

[shrewd night]

I think you are high my dude

When you sim, your poisons are always on. The 1k difference is simply natural variance in sims.

Youd be simming 600k tops without poisons on

[solar willow]

dunno my dude

[stark heart]

if you'd have no poisons there will be no energy regen from bleeds

it wouldn't be 1k

[solar willow]

hmm that's what i thought too but i didn't question it really

[shrewd night]

4 0.00 apply_poison
Its part of the APL, so unless you fucked with the APL..........

[solar willow]

i'm just trying to figure out why i simmed higher the 2nd one

[shrewd night]

As I said, natural variance

[solar willow]

since i didn't change anything

[shrewd night]

If you get 100% the same result always

[stark heart]

1k is not higher

it's within error

[solar willow]

okay

[shrewd night]

Like

Weeew

[viscid helm]

Til poisons account for 1.1k DPS for Sin

[vestal wren]

poison bomb

[zealous dew]

tomb

[viscid helm]

Okay calm down fuu, back to the sub you go

[manic condor]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[solid nova]

If poisons are only 1k of my dps then why do i use them 🤔

[wise frigate]

No-poisons build when?

[zealous dew]

it's called sub

[prisma gull]

Outlaw too

[jovial kite]

Just do it

[spare cloud]

Slagg with the old memes

[zealous dew]

he's still tacoed

[turbid harbor]

poisons are here to stay

bring back bleedless rotation from wotlk 🤤

2 buttons 🤤

[viscid helm]

Thats bfa

2 Buttons classes

Rdy for console

[gaunt moat]

bleedles rotation?
you really just did mut/envenom?

[turbid harbor]

for a while yea

intense gameplay action

[spare cloud]

Didnt you play combat for progress?

[turbid harbor]

i played combat in that arena place

toc or whatever it was called

but sin before

using envenom refreshing slice and dice was insane 🤤

[zealous dew]

what's wrong with tonks constantly moving mobs

this game boy

[prisma gull]

Because SPEED!!

[midnight latch]

@zealous dew cause tank rotations are so boring and you dont know what to do with ur hands

also once u played dk with sephuz and around 33%-37% haste without boneshield up
playing without feels glacier slow

[spare cloud]

Naya where is your broccoli

[midnight latch]

ate it

was delish

I am sad giggle hasent used one of my avatars

no angeryblush

[wise frigate]

I'd try to make an Angerybirb but it's hard to do that with a gif.

[solid nova]

Angerycat when

[midnight latch]

Its black so you wouldnt see nottin

[solid nova]

Defeated by a cat

Who are you

[midnight latch]

maybe the cat is already angery?

[solid nova]

Just realised its a gif too

Fuck its cute

[midnight latch]

yeeee

[wise frigate]

Pupil dilation intensifies

Hm. Maybe I'll try and get a still from Pepe tilting his head and make that angery

[strange python]

someone trie in m+ back and rabenhold ring for aoe ?

try

[marble hemlock]

fok doesnt work with ravenholdt ring anymore

only mutilate does

[strange python]

oh =/ ty

ok so i use back and bracer

[marble hemlock]

you dont use back

its shit

[strange python]

wich one u use for aoe ?

[marble hemlock]

mantle+bracer

[strange python]

insi fok ? maybe i played another game at this era

[marble hemlock]

insignia used to work with fok at the beginning of legion

[strange python]

cant remember 😦 insi was first lego and tryharded outlulz

swapped spec with the first sin buff :p

and i loved it

fokwheelers with insignia

dream is over

[hot jackal]

So the aoe and single target leggos are the same?

[strange python]

overall, +

[safe matrix]

depends how long adds live

you multi dot if things live long enough

but mostly its just praying for poison bomb

[strange python]

o.O

[shrewd night]

Angerybirb

[strange python]

😄

[midnight latch]

Its Lootnesday my dudes

runs over to chest all excited

[shrewd night]

Three hours left before I can check

[midnight latch]

3 weeks of boots on dk

[shrewd night]

I wont even be mad if I get bracer/neck/ring

Would be 👌

[strange python]

got mos ring 965 y.y

[shrewd night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq0rdcyIuzA&feature=youtu.be

@midnight latch trying to get good shit in cache

Or is that more of @safe matrix 's style

[safe matrix]

i mean

windows are a real pane

why do u think im so angery

[shrewd night]

I see your dadjoke

[safe matrix]

I can't make the frown visible enough on my picutre ._.

i wanna be like the cool kids

[midnight latch]

@shrewd night das me

[shrewd night]

....You idiot

[midnight latch]

boots on both chars

rogue 1% ugrade

disenchants

[shrewd night]

KINDA tempted to go for boomie lootspec on my druid to fish for laotc

But what if an actual good trinket drops for guardian

[thin plinth]

guys is wound poison better then crippling poison in raids ?

[shrewd night]

....uh

I think you need to read a guide fam

[thin plinth]

cant you just tell me yes or no ...

[kindred forge]

nO

[shrewd night]

No

[thin plinth]

ty

[solid nova]

Why would would poison be good at all in raids?

[shrewd night]

As in, no I wont tell you yes or no

[solid nova]

Have you read the tooltip?

[shrewd night]

Oh, its that guy

Post history reveals.. uh.. troubling things

[prisma gull]

You can see post history? Are you zuckerberg in disguise?!

[shrewd night]

Richard

No joke

I gotta link you something

[solid nova]

Go on then fam

Hit me with it

I'm more impressed that spectre is bound to F12 tbh @shrewd night

[quick ice]

might be a macro key for a naga or something?

[solid nova]

Yeah, good one

[shrewd night]

DFA set to F5 too

[turbid harbor]

DFA set to alt+F4

[midnight latch]

Dfa set to NUM

I dont have a Num block

[solid nova]

Just a block would be nice tbh

[midnight latch]

@solid nova https://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-m28of/products/884/images/2124/2.5_Inch_Pine_Wood_Block__40281.1438120550.380.500.jpg?c=2 here for u

[solid nova]

A nice light finish too

Perfect ❤

Nvm, you purchased a hc boost, it makes sense now

[midnight latch]

[keen inlet]

I suppose I should be thankful...some discords have multiple specs that are, shall we say, the Ret Paladin equivalent

For us we've got sub bois, pirate lads, and then...well, there's assassination

the constant bleeding thorn in my side

[strange python]

For m+ shoulder + back is probably best right? To make mobs easier to deal with I mean

[shrewd night]

What are you implying don

[keen inlet]

@strange python Depends on the level and your comp

[shrewd night]

😡

[strange python]

Could you elaborate a bit?

[keen inlet]

I don't M+ as sin but from what I hear the cloak isn't worth using on average

[drifting crypt]

don meant to say Assassination is his favorite spec

[keen inlet]

Your job is to nuke bosses and nuke prios, not cleave-fiesta

[midnight latch]

just smash sin and sub together
make outlaw combat again but better
fixed

[keen inlet]

And you're fokking so often in M+ you're not gonna get high stacks. It adds up over time but eh

[strange python]

Hmm, yeah okay makes sense 😮 Imma stick to bracers + shoulders then, cheers Don ❤

[keen inlet]

@shrewd night I'm implying that there's only one channel in discord I have to re-direct every single day, like at some pre-determined point everybody decides NOPE this chat is now GENERAL CHAT

hint
it's a spec discussion channel

hint 2
It's not sub or outlaw

hint 3
it's not basic questions

[drifting crypt]

its probably cause there are all the cool kids 😏

[solid nova]

It a pre-basic question

I didnt know where to go 😦

[shrewd night]

because our channel isnt dead 24/7

[midnight latch]

why are u filming flowi at work?

[shrewd night]

Or what

[oblique smelt]

Been trying to work on Sin rogue for a while now and wondering if someone could take a look at logs see where i can improve

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hBpgfVv4rzDZ69X3#fight=13&type=damage-done

[turbid harbor]

look up opener from the guide

[strange python]

shirayuu i did some low keys with ep/subt. 16-20 and i tryed it on 2-3 fights in hc

i see ive an anticipation hc parse 98 on vari o.o

[turbid harbor]

if tb and kb are both off cd you should use them in that order

you use kb then tb next global and you don't buff the initial kb damage

[solid nova]

@oblique smelt Opener isnt right, you're not keeping evenom up during kb and in some cases you're not using envenom at all after tb

Wasting the window

[turbid harbor]

you should generally have rupture up before you tb

https://gyazo.com/ed4451d886152db326984a9df1e17abb happens too often

[solid nova]

You're constantly using KB before TB, wrong way around

[oblique smelt]

Alright ty ill work on that

Should i be using Subterfuge if i dont have shoulders?

[prime void]

Most likely.

[turbid harbor]

use whatever you're comfortable with, they sim like 2k difference for me

[shrewd night]

@oblique smelt Is insignia simming highest for you? Id think you didnt have the crit to sustain it

[oblique smelt]

Yea sims higher than the other shit i have

[shrewd night]

Mkay

[strange python]

u can keep ns, u should mostly finish rupture then

[oblique smelt]

Being belt, sephuz, KJBW, Soul

[solid nova]

Things like this are a waste of tb as well, easily potential for 3 envenoms during that window.

[prime void]

I'd say read the guide tbh

Your shits all off.

And if you have read the guide, read it again

[oblique smelt]

Ill try practicing all this on a dummy and then do a normal run or something

And nah i didnt really read a guide, spoke to a sin rogue friend

briefly

[solid nova]

Link him the guide too

😄

[turbid harbor]

click the link at the top and read it to fix your opener

[shrewd night]

Trusting friends with theorycrafting is dumb shit

[viscid helm]

it's fine

i never read the guide either

[shrewd night]

in 99% of the cases

[oblique smelt]

i mean hes really good

[prime void]

Yeah but you're not a noon flowi.

[oblique smelt]

i just didnt speak that much to him about how to play

[prime void]

Noob*

[turbid harbor]

he's probably not that good

[solid nova]

Wrong rotation but 30% pb procs

Thats my money

[oblique smelt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/emerald-dream/freshprincex not the best no :/

ill get to reading and practicing

thanks for the help

[shrewd night]

M O N K A S

[turbid harbor]

hes pretty good but he doesn't play anything like you do

[solid nova]

Its the

[oblique smelt]

i only really play this a couple times a week, but new guild requires an alt so figured i should probably start learning a lot more

[turbid harbor]

fair enough man, have fun with it

[smoky tulip]

Yo famz. Anyone got an easy way to dodge spinning blades on P3 Mythic argus? I have rage and am out in the middle of the platform (assigned to right side of boss) and I dont usually have to or space to get to an edge

[prime void]

Use your eyes?

[smoky tulip]

Any none meme advice?

non*

[prime void]

Literally use your fucking eyes?

[shrewd night]

Why are you out in the middle of the room during blades?

[solid nova]

To increase self awareness of whats going on in the raid?

[prime void]

Answer wasn't meme.

Answer is the answer

Identify first set. Identify safe spot

Don't stand in blade

Ie- open eyes

[smoky tulip]

As melee, I'm assigned to spread on the right side of boss (tanking on the edge going counter clockwise) which puts me on the inside and closer to the middle

[turbid harbor]

if you get that rage you can stand on the other side of the room

[shrewd night]

^

[smoky tulip]

I dont have time to run to that side, even with sprint

[shrewd night]

Find blade that isnt occupied

[turbid harbor]

it cucks your dps but you get the bitch duty with that rage

[shrewd night]

Replicate movement

🤔

[solid nova]

How do you not have time, I dont follow.

[shrewd night]

Youre making shit more complicated than it really is

[warm parcel]

Uuh

No

[smoky tulip]

I don't care about DPS, I just dont want to get hit by blades

[prime void]

Kek

[warm parcel]

Just dodge them with evasion

Hello

[prime void]

He can't open his eyes tho

How Dodge when can't see

[smoky tulip]

Richard, I thought of running to an unspinning blade on the back of the room, I popped sprint and still didn't get to the blade in time

[turbid harbor]

you have to know which scythe is coming from which side to do that

[warm parcel]

A. Go to side
B. Dodge by going to right spot
C. Evasion

[viscid helm]

what is this

[warm parcel]

Anything works

[viscid helm]

you find a spinning blade

stand on top of it

then move 2y

to either side

[prime void]

But

[turbid harbor]

ya

[viscid helm]

its not rocket science

[turbid harbor]

but if you have rage closer to middle of room

[prime void]

Eyes have to be open to find spinning blade

[turbid harbor]

that's going to be out of boss range

[prime void]

See the issue here

[viscid helm]

rage is irrelevant

[turbid harbor]

which isn't something he considered

[warm parcel]

Again

Easiest way is to just evasion

And forget them

[turbid harbor]

make sure you're facing the right way though

face the spinning one

[viscid helm]

you expect to much weak

[smoky tulip]

Ok cool. That's what I was looking for. Not "open your eyes" Smart arse

[shrewd night]

rofl

But you need to open your eyes to see the blades tho

[prime void]

Bro

[shrewd night]

[prime void]

Don't be thick

You're acting thick

[smoky tulip]

I am thicc

[prime void]

No. You ask dumb wuestions.

[smoky tulip]

Dumb when there were so many different answers

?

I wasn't looking for a keyboard Fonzi thanks

[shrewd night]

All which required situational awareness

Hmmmm

[prime void]

I'm sorry. You're on Argus. I shouldn't have made the assumption you understood that evasion is a thing

[smoky tulip]

Eeeeeeh

You're forgiven

[vale sail]

Hey guys new here so sorry if its been asked before but does the Gnawed Thumb ring increase the damage of poisons and envenom since its Nature?

[prime void]

It's okay. Have fun dying to scythes

[shrewd night]

We dont have broccoli emojis here

Fuck

[prime void]

Evasion from wrong side inc

[turbid harbor]

yes it does fishman

[vale sail]

ah cool cheers

[smoky tulip]

😛

[solid nova]

@vale sail If you've just acquired one in the weekly lootations, throw it into your opener like this

That's providing you're using shoulders etc.

[vale sail]

yeah i assume thats with every set up i have just rerolled rogue and have been destroyed by legendary RNG

[solid nova]

Dont sweat it mate, my alts got 3 legendaries left and 2 of them are shoulders and wrists

[vale sail]

5 left for me and i dont have boots wrists or shoulders

[turbid harbor]

yikes

[solid nova]

I imagine crown and insig ring will be simming pretty well for you

[vale sail]

Crown Prydaz my sims tell me

[solid nova]

Fingers crossed the next leggo comes through

[grizzled trail]

Any1 know an addon that will announce when my poison bomb procs. so tank knows in mythic+ for example

[steep obsidian]

you can do that with a weak aura

[grizzled trail]

dont really know how to use weak auras tbh lol

[steep obsidian]

there are a few on wago.io just gotta put a /say action in when it triggers

it might be annoying to some people though rather then helpful

[solid nova]

Just ask the tank the keep adds clumped and to avoid kiting to allow for PB procs

And just wait till hes gathered before opening / using mantle window

Tank should consider PB for sin rogues if he's half decent anyway

PB WAs are obnoxious to play with imo

[silk whale]

sorry to bother, but could anyone have a quick check of my logs and tell me what im doing wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1cJfKyRDFYaLQzWp/#fight=26&type=damage-done

[steep obsidian]

dropping envenom during kingsbane a fair bit

didnt 2nd pot till boss was about to die

[silk whale]

as ass do we pool energy or just spam our skils?

[drifting cloud]

youre 947 with no 4set and 7k haste

[solid nova]

Trying to parse with stats that arent optimised and low gear in general is like participating in a 100M sprint with nail in your knee

[spare cloud]

worse than that

like running a 100m sprit while only having one leg and having a nail in that knee.

[manic vigil]

Ouch

[onyx coyote]

I was wondering if someone could help me something has changed between two attempts at a boss and i cant figure out what it is. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wgCRATynVqJWtQkm#fight=38&type=damage-done&source=82 vs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9yApPNXvbQqw8KTt#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=73 I upgraded gear between teh 2 attempts yet my dps went down It wasn;t just the one boss it was 10% under for every boss for some reason

[uneven aspen]

Can someone explain me, why there are so many people with boots + bracers instead of mantle on Argus Myth?

[sturdy kite]

Because it’s a long ass fight so you can get a lot of value out of the boots. Also vanish is the only ability we have to instantly break sentence of sargeras if it happens to go on us, so it can make it cleaner if you aren’t using vanish for a dps CD

In p3

[warm parcel]

having more minutes in a fight

doesnt suddenly mean you get more per minute out of boots

[onyx coyote]

Is an eye of command 925 better then a shadow singed fang 965?

[warm parcel]

www.raidbots.com

[strange python]

@warm parcel if the boss was in execute range longer, wouldn't that be true?

[warm parcel]

why

execute is still the same % of the fight lenght

be it 1 min out of 5 or 2 out of 10

and we would still be in ven about 40% of that time

be it 1 or 2 mins

[gilded crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIDE07f8t-Q

[warm parcel]

whats up with this random sitting at 90 energy

and not using muti

sitting on tb for ages

using kb before tb so many times

literally no reason to have tb time out and you be at 90 energy

or to even sit on tb before that

and then use tb at already capped cp

[stark heart]

Not weak going ham

[manic vigil]

[warm parcel]

well beefs on the pan now

and sauce is done 👌

tb comes off cd at 4 cp

lemme use 2 globals before using tb 🤔

mutilating at 3 cp when garr is in pandemic

[zealous dew]

savage

[manic vigil]

I want some of that beef now

What sauce is it?

🤤

[warm parcel]

just regular brown sauce

onion butter flour chili soy

[hoary copper]

Was hoping for a white sauce

[manic vigil]

[hoary copper]

👋

[warm parcel]

after ress you dont garrote or rup the boss

garr is off cd for like 10 sec

and again kb into tb

then you sit at full energy while both tb and kb are running

[zealous dew]

hypersavage

[hoary copper]

lot of new people today, its like this is a helpful channel now

[warm parcel]

priv logs?

[hoary copper]

Odd I dont see Don listed with purples?

[warm parcel]

hes hiding

[hoary copper]

👀

People still private log?

[manic vigil]

Who is weak even talking to

[warm parcel]

I just decided to check the random pov that was linked

[zealous dew]

better not to link anything in here

or there's a huge risk of being trashed

[warm parcel]

Its not trashing

Its just calling out mistakes

or coaching for free

[manic vigil]

Weak is helping

Agreed

[zealous dew]

sarcasm...

[astral sundial]

hey, looking to hear opinions on EoC vs SSF for argus mythic - EoC sims higher for me (0.3%), but I thought given the downtime in the fight (which makes the uptime of SSF count for more) and switching for the adds in phase 3 (which I have no clue how meaningful it could be) could make SSF pull ahead.

[warm parcel]

Ive done this with others too

And its fun

[manic vigil]

You need to borrow toph's sign shantal

[uneven lantern]

question! without leggy shoulders, what do i spend my vanish/nightstalker on?

[warm parcel]

ssf is nice cause dont have to monkas about target swaps

[uneven lantern]

atm im doing vanish -> rupture

[warm parcel]

then youd be doing it right

[uneven lantern]

ah okay cool

once i get shoulders

it changes, right?

[zealous dew]

what sign ?

[warm parcel]

assuming you play tb

[hoary copper]

With shoulders its usually envenom after vanish

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[warm parcel]

🤔

[hoary copper]

damn it

[uneven lantern]

yeah i read it, i just wanted to make sure haha

[astral sundial]

@warm parcel so you are implying I should go for SSF for this fight?

[warm parcel]

id use ssf just cause I dont want to bother with eoc

[astral sundial]

well Idk if there is much to "bother" with it since I probably want to auto attack the adds anyway : /

[warm parcel]

and that resets the stacks

[astral sundial]

ye

was trying to ask how terrible would it be 😄

[warm parcel]

at that diff you cant even tell

so which ever trinket you prefer

[astral sundial]

I see, thanks. what kind of difference would you consider meaningful btw?

[warm parcel]

in sim dps or uptime due to encounter

[astral sundial]

sim dps

[warm parcel]

something that is out of target error

[hoary copper]

I mean .3% isnt much and ssf being easier it sounds like a better choice

[warm parcel]

and I just dislike eoc

[astral sundial]

how is ssf easier? : /

[warm parcel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary copper]

eoc resets with target switching, dont have to worry about that

[astral sundial]

ye but in argus there is nothing to worry about - it gonna reset in phase 3 sometime, nothing extra to do about it.

[warm parcel]

I mean I did use eoc too on our kill

Its not like argus is bad for eoc

[astral sundial]

cool. just cuz you mentioned it, do you actually have an estimate of what kind of downtime would make SSF pull ahead?

[hoary copper]

Eh should I even log in this week.... failing to find a reason

[warm parcel]

ive no idea

[young condor]

Hey guys, does anyone have some time to help me with my relic choices?

[hoary copper]

http://www.raidbots.com/simbot/relic or herodamage.com/rogue might be useful for relics

[young condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w8m1xsU7R4htqHABjoyPLN

The change is not that big but is it worth to change due to the 20ilvl change?

[warm parcel]

there is no change

[hoary copper]

I mean if its the same then you kinda might as well just to inflate your peenilvl. ilvl doesnt mean tons with relics

[young condor]

Oh sorry, i missed some things

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tGUip7zTffWU2LSY1tfAmp

FUCK

I failed it again

jesus

[crystal fox]

awoo

[warm parcel]

I mean your first sim was correct

Theyre just identical in dps

[drifting cloud]

thats the same set of relics

weak 😛

thats just how it looks when you dont edit the 1st row in raidbots but duplicate them first

[warm parcel]

not on first link

you can see stats traits and ilvl change

in the html

[young condor]

Oh okey, the second link was correct

It didnt show "Coalesced Void" as 980 but as 820

[warm parcel]

no

out of the two links you pasted

the second one is clearly not right

the relic is 820 in the sim

[young condor]

Yeah but i changed it in the info but it didnt seem to be the correct ilvl in the final sim

[fervent beacon]

Btw, sin on Alpha feels nice.

[sand whale]

woop finally hitting over 1000ilvl in weapon and getting argus mount in one night

I'm done til bfa

[young condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/opL1ypgC3MMr9m3KFkXrfU

Ok now it should be correct

[warm parcel]

and is the same as first link

[young condor]

Basicly i lose 1 rank of MA for 20ilvls

I'm so freaking dumb, i could just have typed that in the start

But would you call that worth or nah? Since the dps change isnt big enough to matter

[hoary copper]

How many MA do you end up with tho? that's important whether it ends at 5,6 or 7

[warm parcel]

its boots no mantle

[drifting cloud]

its mantle in the last one

😛

[warm parcel]

🤔

[hoary copper]

I didnt look at the sim ...cause I cant

[young condor]

Currently have 3 MA

[drifting cloud]

he loses mass not ma

I mean other way around

🤦

I mean it clearly sims less

[hoary copper]

Ah. If work wasnt dumb I'd prob be more useful

[drifting cloud]

so you wanna have more equipped ilvl but lose dps

go for it.

[warm parcel]

what

theres no diff

2k dps

[young condor]

^

[warm parcel]

with error of 2k

[fervent beacon]

its just -.1 to .1% dps damage, just go whichever you feel more comfortable with

padding your ilvl for the big dick ilvl to get instant inv for high key

🤷

[drifting cloud]

by that logic weak the difference is 6k then

1st combo goes up 2k this one goes down 2k

😄

[gilded crest]

I love this relic

[warm parcel]

what

the diff is within error range