assassination

[lone junco]

Bro is living amok never giving a fuck

that 7pk life

[near meadow]

lol

realise

i'm getting flamed

[lost horizon]

I just don't understand where 20% PB becomes normal 🤔 dude's not even bad

[near meadow]

cause i say

[prime void]

You're getting flamed?

SNowflake life is rough

[solid nova]

I don't know what's going on

[near meadow]

avg pb dmg on antoran is 13-14%

xD

[solid nova]

I don't care either

[near meadow]

those guys are insane

xD

[prime void]

so now you say avg is 13%

so 20% is normal

Tf is your logic ?

[fervent beacon]

[near meadow]

yup

[prime void]

FLAWED

[spare cloud]

He's still trying

give him some time

[near meadow]

20% is normal

[prime void]

Yo

[fervent beacon]

Best argument ever

[near meadow]

aswell st

12% pb

is normal

[prime void]

Merriam Webster has a dank dictionary

Go read it

[fervent beacon]

20% is normal

[near meadow]

nothing exceptionnal

[prime void]

The whole fucking thing please

[fervent beacon]

13% average

[near meadow]

see

yhere you flame

:p

[fervent beacon]

wait, now its >12% average

[spare cloud]

Average =/= normal

[prime void]

Snowflake

You need to learn what a flame is

[fervent beacon]

It's a good thing Tom isn't here

[solid nova]

20% pb is not normal, average or any other flex of the definition

[strange python]

noobe that log was before pk nerf right?

[fervent beacon]

cuz he would get ban np np

[lost horizon]

I just don't get the logic

[solid nova]

Troll somewhere else

[spare cloud]

dude has sick logs though

[prime void]

have some flame my man

[lost horizon]

Good logs, bad grasp of the word 'normal'

[lone junco]

This PK log is pretty funny

[prime void]

how do we know they're his logs ?

I go into the spriest disc and drop my buddies logs all the time

[lone junco]

I wonder if it didnt get purged from the bug

[spare cloud]

Only took him 15 trys to get decent pb luck

on high command

barely over 20% btw

[lone junco]

yeah Jan-02

[spare cloud]

but 20% is normal

[fervent beacon]

Guys, we need to wipe because I don't have my 20% for PB.

[strange python]

i like his guild name

[solid nova]

Either an idiot or a troll fishing who's just had 5 bites on his rod

[lone junco]

Pk mode. grats.

[fervent beacon]

7/7 PK = 5% increase chance of PB

Did you not know about this hidden effect?

[near meadow]

well

listen when i talk

[prime void]

^ go away

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/30fbe6ef4751d4d8d6dbdc7b14aa03a1

[solid nova]

You're clueless

[near meadow]

i dditn say 20% is the avg pb proc

[spare cloud]

most recent log btw

[solid nova]

Stop

[fervent beacon]

I can't listen tho, I'm deaf

[near meadow]

i said it's normal

[fervent beacon]

ok so

[solid nova]

No it's not

[near meadow]

sorry for doin pods dude :p

[fervent beacon]

20% is normal, right?

[solid nova]

Stop

[lone junco]

HAHAHAHAHAAH

[fervent beacon]

and 13% is average?

[lone junco]

hahahahaha

[near meadow]

ofc it's normal

[fervent beacon]

[prime void]

https://i.imgur.com/Q9bacLP.png

[supple hearth]

🥄

[prime void]

"well it's normal"

[near meadow]

i'm in pod 2.2 zz

[spare cloud]

Normal...only has it in 1 try

[lone junco]

2.9M in jan vs 2.1 now.

"skill"

[near meadow]

doin pods

[spare cloud]

dude he's doing pods

[near meadow]

since then

check logs

[prime void]

https://i.imgur.com/Q9bacLP.png

[spare cloud]

cut him some slack

[lone junco]

nah. Pk logs dont count.

[near meadow]

what would be insane

[fervent beacon]

Hadn't laughed this hard in a while

[near meadow]

is a 25% pb

[fervent beacon]

thx.

[supple hearth]

2.9m in january instead of 4m+??????

[lost horizon]

I'm still confused as to how significantly above avg is 'normal' 🤔

[lone junco]

Avg is your SImc avg.

if your 5min patchwork is 12% then fine

else its likely 8-9

[fervent beacon]

Normal is normal, average is average

God @lost horizon don't you know the difference

[lone junco]

idgaf about it tho. prob just a french translation issue

[solid nova]

MM+

[manic vigil]

yeah

[fervent beacon]

I'm surprised he's still defending himself all these time

Better off being in #subtlety

[solid nova]

He's gone too deep into the rabbit hole to back out now

[fervent beacon]

or rather, huffed too much PB.

[lone junco]

not an above average amount.

[brazen forge]

he only huffed 20% though

[fervent beacon]

Need 25% to become the PB itself.

[lone junco]

lord and savior 20%

[manic vigil]

[manic vigil]

[solid nova]

I think I'm going to eat, sleep, go to work and pretend this was just a dream

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/bcdd577c12ee3ae43ea1be294474bf7d

top rogue btw

[lone junco]

do you kick it?

he kicks it

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/316c92f880df0bcdde9bdcfa21fca1fb

good player btw

we should all learn from him

thats what you do during toxic blade

[wise frigate]

200% concentrated power of we.

Will

Fuck you phone. I literally typed will and it autocorrected.

[strange python]

we get it, he sucks

[spare cloud]

🤔

[lone junco]

we are all subject to the pb overlord. But this is 5% vs 16%.

2.6m to 2.2m I guess I would like 12% as well.

[strange python]

how many more snippets of his dude are we gonna post

[prime void]

as many as we want

its on topic

dont like it, dont look

[near meadow]

they are so mad

xD

[manic vigil]

xD

[near meadow]

i got them all s mad

[prime void]

you confuse anger with boredom

[manic vigil]

we are always mad tisumi 😡

[lone junco]

nah. just "im good cause i get 16%" youre bad at 9%

[near meadow]

zz

[lone junco]

when homey here gets 5% hes down 400k

[manic vigil]

all this might just be a bad englando incident actually

[lone junco]

same as everyone else

[manic vigil]

still funny 🍿

[prime void]

so then toph tore his logs apart

it was fun

[manic vigil]

Tom would have been going off so beautifully

a shame he wasn't here

[wise frigate]

To think all this started with some botched nibble sims.

[prime void]

I miss tom.

[solid nova]

I watched toph playing witcher 3 whilst eating pizza

R u jelly

[prime void]

Tom makes this discord great again

[strange python]

careful what u wish for

[lone junco]

a 500k swing in parse due to pb is not skill.

[manic vigil]

he said 20% pbomb is normal on AHC

[lone junco]

he goes from 2.1m to 2.6m in a week. cool story

[manic vigil]

and then the shit started hitting the fan

[prime void]

Sin rogue btw

[near meadow]

what i mean by normal

is

[prime void]

go parse as sub

[near meadow]

1 every 5 pull

[prime void]

show me wassup

[near meadow]

is a 20%

so nothing special

[prime void]

https://i.imgur.com/Q9bacLP.png

[near meadow]

obv i'm on pod 2.2

[prime void]

@gusty kestrel

[near meadow]

ppl react like it's absolutely insane

just said

it's not insane

happends

[prime void]

Why you still talking tho

go rupture 3x in your TB windows

show me the skill

[safe matrix]

🍿

[manic vigil]

he's not allowed to talk?

[near meadow]

dunno

he's mad

xD

[strange python]

dude has better logs than you

[prime void]

Meriam Webster

Again check it out

[manic vigil]

if he stopps this will all calm down and that would be hella boring

[prime void]

Who has better logs than me ?

The guy who is still progging

Or the guy who has triple some of my kills

[manic vigil]

[lone junco]

99 calls another 99 bad

[manic vigil]

scroll up tisumi

[spare cloud]

My warrior is getting rusty

[manic vigil]

and you shall see

don't be a diva

have a snickers

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wtf-japan-d3sbguqEwZthmTxC

[manic vigil]

aye

[prime void]

maybe

I still don't think so

[spare cloud]

@gusty kestrel https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/14744003/17#difficulty=5&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&metric=dps

[prime void]

The log doesnt= the person talking

[manic vigil]

allegedly

[astral sundial]

at the risk of getting raged at - after joining some mythic alt run, I was told I can actually join for the guild first raid at argus mythic tomorrow. anyone got some good tips? talent/legendary setup, good rogue PoV vods etc

[supple hearth]

@lone junco made me lol

[wise frigate]

Don't die.

[spare cloud]

@astral sundial don't die and kill the boss

[manic vigil]

[spare cloud]

Try getting used to boots/bracers

[supple hearth]

dont die and dont get anything below a rank 1 parse

[spare cloud]

they are more consistent on argus

[prime void]

drop soublgiht on the buffs

[spare cloud]

if they dont sim much much lower for your gear

[prime void]

Then cloak and get the buffs

so you look like a god

[spare cloud]

Thats why it took you 600 trys to kill argus?

[lone junco]

zing

[prime void]

"If it's personal take it to DMs"

[manic vigil]

ouch

[prime void]

damn I did bug the average boi

[spare cloud]

just friendly banter

[strange python]

make sure you pick up some external validation for the rest of us in here

[astral sundial]

@spare cloud I am currently using boots/insignia so playstyle should be the same - I think the dps loss is like 3% tho : /

[lone junco]

🔥 roast my logs 🔥

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/azralon/jhonwei

[prime void]

insig on argus for first kill

not sure how I feel about that

too many 1% wipes.

[spare cloud]

only 90% on aggramar?

[fervent beacon]

You want the bracers for excute phase @astral sundial

[spare cloud]

thats poor.

@lone junco

[manic vigil]

jhonwei is such a bawz

and that with a shitty ping

dafuq

[lone junco]

@spare cloud he plays blood dk for aggramar tbh

[astral sundial]

well will see if I can make good bracers setup with my current gear. worst case, we probably have quite a few raids to spend on phase 1 anyway

[spare cloud]

boots ring is fine

[drifting cloud]

@prime void amateur, we wiped on 10mil

[astral sundial]

why is mantle not good for it btw?

[spare cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/7059199/17/#metric=dps

rost my logs btw

[prime void]

rost em real good

[spare cloud]

@astral sundial they are still good for top parses

[strange python]

not 100% on every fight, fucking loser

[spare cloud]

just boots bracers are more consistent

especially on such a long fight

[fervent beacon]

For progressing tho, boots/bracers will be more consistent

[spare cloud]

or boots/ring as well

[fervent beacon]

I should be running boots/bracers for agg

[manic vigil]

why did you post that again @lone junco now I have a huge man-crush on jhonwei. an even bigger one I should say

and he's also a non-mantle rockstar

brb building a shrine in my closet

[lone junco]

he does well.

[prime void]

just normal

[lone junco]

yeah

that made me lol

[manic vigil]

[lone junco]

super pk

[manic vigil]

guys, he's on pod duty duh

[spare cloud]

@lone junco does jhon play tank on argus as well? or did his guild just clear

[plain thistle]

?

[spare cloud]

94.0 median avery is pretty insane though

[manic vigil]

there he is!!!

[plain thistle]

😄

[manic vigil]

[spare cloud]

@plain thistle noobe posted your logs before

[plain thistle]

we killed argus only 1 time

[spare cloud]

and I noticed log kill amount

[manic vigil]

that's enough 🤷

[spare cloud]

still insane averages though

very consistent

[plain thistle]

thx 😛

yeah, I have a couple bad logs, but im working on it

[manic vigil]

isn't your ping shit usually?

[plain thistle]

now that we are done with progress

[safe matrix]

yeah bad

[manic vigil]

I remember watching your stream a couple times

[plain thistle]

180-200 ms

[safe matrix]

you really need to fix

that 90

[manic vigil]

how are you so good still

[safe matrix]

😡

[manic vigil]

you are making me feel inferior, stop it

[plain thistle]

that coven log, it was private for almost 1 month rank 1

now its public but its not rank1 anymore =9

maybe one day ill do portal keeper without doing every portal 😦

[spare cloud]

only 96 on Vari

[plain thistle]

yeah, vari and portal kepeer, my 2 "bad" logs

[lone junco]

pretty sure bracer boot subterfuge 2p4p isnt the highest simming by now.

[spare cloud]

Do you transport orbs on portal?

[plain thistle]

im the green portal -> flame portal and the shadow to fel one

I do basically every portal 😃

to get the orbs

[manic vigil]

sucks

[spare cloud]

I do that to

[lone junco]

but 12% bomb is normal tho right

😐

[spare cloud]

now my excuse that my log sucks because I do that is gone

fu

[prime void]

also have our bm do it

e

ez

[safe matrix]

i do ours ._.

[plain thistle]

😂

[wise frigate]

I'm the trial in my guild so nobody makes me do things. It's nice. Too bad I suck though.

[plain thistle]

but Varimathras I dont have any excuses, I just suck there for some reason

🤔

[safe matrix]

ur garbo

hang up the daggers

[lone junco]

@prime void let me always link random good logs when Im arguing about something. boom. im slackjack.

[safe matrix]

its time to retire

[manic vigil]

[plain thistle]

switching to add too much, or poison bomb proccing when add is not up, not sure

[spare cloud]

Yeah dont swap too adds

only for mutilates maybe

but no envenoms

if you want to top parse at least

and pbs

[wise frigate]

Nah I actually do. I'd link logs but I'm pretty sure I'd get blocked just out of embarrassment of being near me.

[spare cloud]

I have a 98 on vari, but I played pretty poorly

insane pb luck makes it though

[plain thistle]

I just dont know how many times we will clear mythic, next week probably we are going to do garothi-aggramar-argus, and no more farm for the rest of the expansion

just mount farming

[spare cloud]

I'm in a pug right no

w

[safe matrix]

I mean if you're going for r1 as sub

[spare cloud]

I died on eonar because no tank on top add

[safe matrix]

you basically have to beat joke

[spare cloud]

[plain thistle]

nah, it will be our first argus re kill

wont be smooth I bet

😂

[spare cloud]

I still don't know how to parse well on kin'garoth

[prime void]

pray

[lone junco]

plan your bombs better

[spare cloud]

I'm not good at praying anymore

I already sacrificed my cat

don't have any more pets

[lone junco]

did you at least clean it up?

[astral sundial]

my best boots/bracers setup is 2% lower then my insignia/boots setup 😦

[spare cloud]

No its still next to me

[lone junco]

or still ded cat

k

[plain thistle]

king and immonar is 2 logs that ill probably never get a better one

[spare cloud]

I take a sip when I need pb luck

[prime void]

argus's execute is very long.

[plain thistle]

immonar simply because I cant get 2 vendetta per phase anymore

[prime void]

normal sim isnt going to be accurate.

[near meadow]

if you're not solo with leech poison on an add ... dunno

[plain thistle]

and king because add is dying too fast 😂

[astral sundial]

@prime void why did you choose to use insignia then?

[spare cloud]

Why don't you do bracers insig for argus btw? If you chose ring

[prime void]

Uh

[spare cloud]

thats what I'd like to know

[prime void]

I dont remember why

I wish

I had bracers on tho

[astral sundial]

cuz boots are much stronger then ring?

[spare cloud]

thats not really it

what legendaries are bis is specific for every character

[astral sundial]

well will try to check that setup

[lone junco]

insig bracer is because of the massive crit, and using EP

[astral sundial]

what's the point of using EP with bracers? >>

[lone junco]

but if you arent getting 80%-100% mut crit that might not be your best bet

[astral sundial]

sounds weird

[lone junco]

ep buffs rupture

[astral sundial]

hmm fair enough

[lone junco]

worry more about not dying first

I use boots with 3vend

I like it.

but its not massive.

I like having the vendetta between ads.

[astral sundial]

ye I got 3 vendeta relics few days ago but still not using them...they are like 20IL lower each and shows about 0.6-7% dps loss

[near meadow]

3 vend is cheesy all depensd on fight lengh

[astral sundial]

thing is it still probably the best trait if you got another good one on your relic

[lone junco]

I cant open with vend on kingo anymore. the first add would be dead before vendetta is back around.

but the quick peaks were nice at one point.

[spare cloud]

Okay

pray for good chest

on my warrior

<.<

[lone junco]

70% of the top 100 on kingo are monk.

good game.

[astral sundial]

@spare cloud inginia/bracer sims 45k lower then insingnia boots...

[spare cloud]

try longer fight length

[astral sundial]

I could but how would it help?

[lone junco]

lol this guys solod the first add with Pbomb

[astral sundial]

will also get more vendeta in a longer fight length

[lone junco]

@astral sundial if your insig bracer is way lower than insig boot, you either arent running EP/Vig/Tb or you are lacking the crit to keep EP up

[drifting cloud]

heroic kr logs with 11 people

I bet they wiped everytime until his pb procced

[lone junco]

nah

[astral sundial]

@lone junco ye my crit is low, 10475 unbuffed

[lone junco]

but his garothi was only 5% bomb. poor guy

[astral sundial]

using argus waist and tier hands is dragging my crit down 😦

[lone junco]

@astral sundial Yeah, the Ep/Tb Insig builds should be an increase in st before you bother. mine is really good at 52% crit.

[spare cloud]

5% is normal

[lone junco]

977 ilvl only 5%

what a scrub

[astral sundial]

@lone junco well it still increase in single target even with my low crit. sims way higher for me then mantle setups.

i'd guess one reason bracer sims so low for me is that I got 960 high mastery/low haste sockted bracer

[spare cloud]

What boots do you have?

because high mastery is not really good

why am I bleed

[lone junco]

aids

[prime void]

I was mad at you for cheating on me, so I went and got aids, then gave it to you.

[astral sundial]

945 800+ mastery/600+ vers for boots

[spare cloud]

I'd never cheat on you

@gaunt moat who made me bleed

[echo estuary]

why is TOPH red now

[lone junco]

so by definition can you have more than one BAE? @spare cloud

[astral sundial]

another gear question if you guys don't mind - got a 950 crit statstick that sims slightly lower then my 945 sockted SSF. I am assuming, that any downtime will only make SSF preform higher and not the other way around?

[lone junco]

cause i thought you and slackjack were baes

[gaunt moat]

giggle

[spare cloud]

@supple hearth why did you make me bleed

[manic vigil]

she made you bleed?

[supple hearth]

@spare cloud you had !bleed in the botspam,,

i go in and manually assign them every now and then

do you not want it

[manic vigil]

hey since watching toph play warrior made me watch that stupid execute meme video with the DBZ crap in it, I went and checked the original out (I have never watched DBZ) and now I wonder why he gets to hover there and talk/scream for 2min while transforming why don't his enemies just shoot him while he's screeming around?

[spare cloud]

Because they are polite

you don't interrupt when someones screaming

[sharp viper]

because it is anime

[spare cloud]

@supple hearth That was a few days ago, I'd rather not have it and I think that a few days ago was to remove it anyways

Can you make me a whitey?

[shrewd oriole]

1ST DAY OF PVP

LOOK AT THAT WINRATE

IS THIS WAZU

[strange python]

@harsh fog

[shrewd oriole]

CYA LATER PVE NOOBS

I'm glad

[supple hearth]

@spare cloud ye

[spare cloud]

You lost below 1.5k?

@shrewd oriole

[supple hearth]

^

[shrewd oriole]

[sharp viper]

i would love to have several colours in my name

make it all the colours of the wind

[spare cloud]

I'd like the orange one I had few days ago

but thats not happening

not the mod orange but the darker one

[sharp viper]

nah i want my green blue yellow and red

[manic vigil]

colours of the wind

[lone junco]

Pocahontas?

[sharp viper]

rogueahontas

[manic vigil]

[sharp viper]

😮 i've been tagged

[manic vigil]

outlul color is the dominant one.

rekt

[spare cloud]

O is before B in the alphabet

[sharp viper]

it's alright, it is my true colour

[spare cloud]

and B before A

makes sense, doesn't it?

[sharp viper]

my destiny

but my raid yells at me when i play outlaw on aggramar 😦

[manic vigil]

I should try to make outlul work again as well maybe it won't sim 300k lower than anything else now? It'll still suck and I'll never do it again but... wait where was I going with this? 🤔

[lone junco]

my snd is fine if you have 8users sim

but still not better

[supple hearth]

still trying to decide what I want to level as in BFA. Level'd as outlaw in legion

[lone junco]

I dont have a scourge

[turbid harbor]

always sub

[manic vigil]

when I switch to sub I feel sub-optimal already. outlul will be a disaster so noty

[turbid harbor]

sneak rouge

[lone junco]

outlaw rtb covers stat squish

but w/e

anything with mark should be fine

[strange python]

ill make that decision the day bfa drops

[vestal wren]

sub us __sub__er optimal

[strange python]

while sitting in queue

[sharp viper]

sub as in suboptiomal 🥉

[spare cloud]

Outlaw in the beginning of legion was the shit

[sharp viper]

jk, sub is great for questing

[spare cloud]

for leveling

with ring

still doing 800k dps

[lone junco]

Archi trinket was pretty good

fat rt

[strange python]

i started playing halfway into legion, outlaw started strong? what happened?

[lone junco]

outlaw was really strong.

they nerfed the RT bonuses

[sharp viper]

my outlul (RTB) does not sim that much lower than mantle bracers

[lone junco]

they took a sec off shoulders.

outlaw SND is high.

Shoulder Inisg

[strange python]

i was there for the shoulder nerf

or do you mean

it was 7 seconds

[manic vigil]

fuck rtb

[lone junco]

outlaw started with defensives on True bearing

[manic vigil]

miss me with that shit

[lone junco]

so after cotdb, you could cloak again

[spare cloud]

Outlaw did insane dmg while leveling

If you had hfc gear

[lone junco]

yeah I was soloing the 3x quests etc.

plus hook was nice at that time

[manic vigil]

nostalgia btw

[sharp viper]

they changed hook?

[lone junco]

in antorus you cant hook on shit.

[spare cloud]

I think it got the heroic leap treatment

[lone junco]

and we can fly now

[manic vigil]

can we

[sharp viper]

oh true, it was really nice at the start to get up hills you had to run around otherwise

snd sims lower for me 😦

[lone junco]

my snd is like 35crit 15haste 18 vers.

shoulder insig.

4p21. Argus/Scourgewing (ideal)

8users

[spare cloud]

I dont plan on playing outlaw any time soon

[lone junco]

same.

Ill play for bfa if its worth.

[manic vigil]

I'm still mad it's not our aoe spec with BF being op af

that's what it should be atm imo

🤷

[spare cloud]

why the fuck does chess have 20k viewers on twitch

[sharp viper]

@lone junco my stats are fine but well i simmed with no panth trinkets

[manic vigil]

wait snd doesn't want haste, does it? 🤔

[lone junco]

yeah. you gain like 12-15% from the panth trinket

15%

[manic vigil]

hmm

[lone junco]

@sharp viper try with 8 users. If its not an upgrade, it prob wont be ever

[spare cloud]

Dont play outlaw even if it is an upgrade

[sharp viper]

8 amanthuls is too many lol

[spare cloud]

[lone junco]

nah

8 is what lok recommends. its fine by me.

[sharp viper]

nah toph, it is a change

and a bit faster

[lone junco]

*much faster

[spare cloud]

I have my warrior for that

[manic vigil]

I'd derp around with snd I think. sounds like fun, I love mashing buttons

[sharp viper]

fury is disgusting to play, i detest that

[manic vigil]

but I cba checking it out

[lone junco]

I did ok on my snd run.

[spare cloud]

why is it disgusting to play

[sharp viper]

so much button mashing, everything revolves around enrage and execute windows

outside of that you hit like a wet noodle (aka arms warrior in t21)

[spare cloud]

true

[echo estuary]

TOPH finally team white

[spare cloud]

we are 2 now

[echo estuary]

the best team

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/racist-thats-4WHkXdDx8wjS0

[manic vigil]

why is perleman such a fanboi of toph btw

[echo estuary]

topology team vs applied math (team red)

[lone junco]

they both lack noses

[spare cloud]

the better question is

@manic vigil Why arent you?

[manic vigil]

who said that I'm not?

😏

maybe I just want to be your biggest fan and perelman is threatening that

[spare cloud]

I don't think I have any fans here

[sharp viper]

then eat more and become bigger

[manic vigil]

working on that vaeira lol

[spare cloud]

if anything I should be perelmans fan

[manic vigil]

looking good

[spare cloud]

when it comes to topology

[manic vigil]

[echo estuary]

team red makes more dough tho

feelsbad

[spare cloud]

[sharp viper]

my major is topkeklolgy

[lone junco]

my condolences and thanks for your efforts

[echo estuary]

i am alike a fan of perelman, big time

hence this name!

[sharp viper]

that somehow reminded me of the cringey "thank you for your service" patriotic americans give to any veteran

[lone junco]

nah, mine was more backhanded

like thanks for the math, that I use to make more money

[sharp viper]

you make money?

[lone junco]

cause math for the sake of math is a fun hobby, but real value is in building stuff

print it in my basement.

[manic vigil]

[calm grail]

Reported

[echo estuary]

i dont know noobe

[lone junco]

I keed really. but there are far more applied jobs than theoretical

[echo estuary]

man builds, the universe disintegrates

[lone junco]

even if you made double. the market is slim

I believe that

[spare cloud]

also less people on the market though

so still many are needed

[sharp viper]

are you saying i can't get a job with master degrees in communication and art history?

[lone junco]

you can, at starbucks

i like extra foam

[spare cloud]

If you have any degree I'd argue that you are able to find a job in almost any case

[sharp viper]

while they have been making money i have studied dead art

[manic vigil]

with that attitude we'd get nowhere noobe

[spare cloud]

just might not be what you originally planned though

[lone junco]

Im just lolling tbh.

[echo estuary]

if you're into art/music better look into having a mundane job beside that hobby cus there aint no work in that field

[spare cloud]

Unless you are really talented in that regard

but then again that might not be enough

there are many talented people

[lone junco]

market is thin.

[supple hearth]

if you have a masters degree i'd hope you had a specific job in mind that you'd target once you finish your degree. If not you really needed to go back and rethink your life

[spare cloud]

but few are actually recognized

[echo estuary]

you need to have the looks, and the contacts

and a fancy name, like, ariana grande, but thats fixable

[lone junco]

my cousin is a traveling musician.

[spare cloud]

like Toph

[echo estuary]

voice is tertiary

[lone junco]

she loves it.

[sharp viper]

like tophifee?

[lone junco]

and wouldnt trade it for anything.

[sharp viper]

sex and drugs and rock'n'roll baby

[lone junco]

but i like things to be a little more concrete.

(civil engineer joke)

[manic vigil]

kek

[spare cloud]

What if I dont have the voice and the looks

but the contacts

[lone junco]

get lasik

[sharp viper]

that shit costs a lot tho

[echo estuary]

then better stick to topology

[lone junco]

@supple hearth I have a friend with a ms. only got it cause he slept late in soils, and failed his final. so he needed to wait a whole year to retake. So he got the masters in the 2semesters.

lol

[turbid harbor]

having a friend with ms is different to having a friend with a masters

[lone junco]

masters of science.

[spare cloud]

I have 30 ms most of the time

[turbid harbor]

i tabbed back into ravenholdt at the wrong time

and had to scroll up for context

😄

[echo estuary]

oh i thought we were talking about multiple sclerosis

[sharp viper]

finishing your studies with multiple sclerosis is less fun tho but you don't have to worry about long term employment at least 😃

#optimism

[manic vigil]

[echo estuary]

hahaha

[spare cloud]

I don't think you need to have a specific job in mind for a masters degree though

[prime void]

I do

[spare cloud]

I study primarely because I enjoy the subject, not because I want to be in a specific job once im done

[echo estuary]

you just like puzzlez

[sharp viper]

what you doing toph?

[spare cloud]

math

[turbid harbor]

3 of my friends are doing phds and I don’t think any of them know exactly what job they want afterwards

other than that they don’t want to work yet 😄

[spare cloud]

Why would you

studying because of a specific job is so restricting

no fun 😄

[sharp viper]

maybe that is something someone likes

[echo estuary]

imagine tryharding chess, and capping out slightly below GM. Meaning no money to sustain a living.

[spare cloud]

that is true though

[sharp viper]

like someone studying medicine is quite limited to their later field of employment

[spare cloud]

if you have found something you really enjoy

then thats very good as well

[sharp viper]

indeed

[spare cloud]

@echo estuary You could be a youtube chess guru

even while not being gm

[echo estuary]

yeah with 20 subs

cus the millenials rather click on chainsmokers

[manic vigil]

you might have rich parents and still be gucci 🤷

[spare cloud]

the chess dude that is getting the most views right now isnt even close to being gm

[manic vigil]

right, Tom? 😏

[sharp viper]

get that sweet 1$/month ad revenue

[spare cloud]

whats his name? agad smth

croatian guy

he's barely 2k

[echo estuary]

no idea

but thats really low

not sure why people would watch him for insight

[spare cloud]

Whats the requirement for getting into gm norm tournaments?

[echo estuary]

GM is around 2.5

[turbid harbor]

the chessbrah guy got gm recently

i watch his stream every so often

[spare cloud]

I've seen many 2.4 gms though

there is no specific rating is there

[echo estuary]

yeah

[spare cloud]

you just need to get 3 norms?

well "just"

[echo estuary]

but once you get it you have it until you're 6ft under

[safe matrix]

cmon guys you make it sounds like the entry requirement decisions are black and white

[echo estuary]

so washed up or old players can be GMs at 2.2k

[sharp viper]

was that a chess joke?

[echo estuary]

2.5 is a decent enough ballpark # granted if people below that rating do well in multiple tourneys they can be granted GM

[spare cloud]

are you still actively playing?

[echo estuary]

i'm not competing any longer, since many years

just casual online

[spare cloud]

but youre just 30 O.O when did you stop competing?

[echo estuary]

i played until i was about 17

[spare cloud]

barely gm at age 17 is pretty fine

just lost interest in competing?

[echo estuary]

that would be amazing but sadly i wasnt close to GM

[rustic cypress]

drugs took over

[spare cloud]

I thought your statement above was about you 😄

[echo estuary]

i peaked at 2200 or so

[spare cloud]

other responsibilies took over?

[echo estuary]

well school primarily but then of course the sheer fact that i knew i wasn't good enough for high level play

[spare cloud]

well nowadays you need to be gm at age 12 to compete in high level play

[echo estuary]

its not something that you can get coached to unless you have a gift and you devote your whole life to it

[spare cloud]

I think the coaching come afterwards for smth like that

but I think coaching can break a gifted person though

[echo estuary]

yeah if you know that you're a diamond in the rough then its definitely worth giving a shot

[spare cloud]

well if you are young most likely you wont know that

its the people around you t hat need to take action

imagine if you were a magnus carlsen level talent but nobody ever played you because people around you dont like chess

[echo estuary]

trust me a chess prodigy gets easily noticed^^

[spare cloud]

Once they have been noticed by their family/closer relationships

yes

[echo estuary]

i was like 2k at the age of 12

thats was nothing special at all

[spare cloud]

I mean it should still be pretty good at that age

just not prodigy level

:/

[echo estuary]

i just abused my willpower and good memory to employ the openings i memorized and i had a decent understanding of endgames

gets you to 2k easily

[supple hearth]

how to be perelman

[spare cloud]

I'm pretty alright at tactics, but I never memorized openings or tried to actively learn the game

and when I play I notice almost instantly that if I knew openings abusing the other play would most likely be a win

[echo estuary]

well if you don't know the openings you get on the backfoot from the start and then it just snowballs, even if you seemingly don't make major concessions

[spare cloud]

thats when playing guys around the level of 1700

Yeh

I used to have that trouble when playing with my uncle and friends of his all the time

not that 1700 guys play the opening that well though

especially when they play against a kid that just plays random moves in the beginning

[astral sundial]

depends which 1700. the young kids would probably be pretty strong at the opening.

[echo estuary]

but that's like a part of that made me drop chess as well, there is so much more you need to memorize, like pretty much every damn deviation from the main lines in 4-5 most popular openings, its A LOT of info

[spare cloud]

It indeed is

I don't think I could memorize many opening lines

might be because of memory, or because I'm not that interessted in chess

[shrewd oriole]

@supple hearth yo

[echo estuary]

that and just grinding, reviewing, analyzing so many games daily, to harvest more positional understanding, mastering the attack, the defence... everything

[shrewd oriole]

what are good comps for rogue

[echo estuary]

But i still firmly believe that you need great talent to achieve GM in chess, you can't be a product of relentless training

[spare cloud]

Your brain needs to function in a very specific way

they just see things we don't 🤷

[safe matrix]

is tom

actually asking

[echo estuary]

Pattern recognition mostly

[safe matrix]

giggles advice

??????

[echo estuary]

Hence why i enjoy math, playing the piano, chess, puzzles etc

[spare cloud]

also a big part of why most chess players have an insanely high IQ

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

I'm playing pvp

[spare cloud]

go to pvp channel then

we're discussing important assa stuff here

[echo estuary]

you can ask me too

[shrewd oriole]

[echo estuary]

2 times glad

[shrewd oriole]

do you pvp?

[echo estuary]

2.7+ 3s

[shrewd oriole]

poggers

whats good with rogue rn

[echo estuary]

arena?

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

[spare cloud]

@echo estuary how much do you take for a carry to glad

I want the transmog

[echo estuary]

i dont play anymore

yeah rogue works just fine with mage/priest

[spare cloud]

tomorrow my studies start again

well I dont have lectures yet

but semester starts again

Feels weird how few we are already

[echo estuary]

you'll want to primarily focus on finding priest and a mage, if you play assa, have your mage play arcane

but afaik its not possible to carry to glad, unless you mean i'd pilot your account

[spare cloud]

tripple rogue

easy

we get tom as well

[echo estuary]

easy 1.8 i think

[safe matrix]

unless you just drectly pilot him

[echo estuary]

from there its going to be downhill :p

[spare cloud]

I think you just need 2.2k for transmog

[safe matrix]

like some sortof reptile alien creature

and wear him like a skin suit so he gets glad

[echo estuary]

the transmog? elite set?

thats 2k i think

unless they changed it

tabard 2.2

[spare cloud]

should be possible with triple rogue

[echo estuary]

it is possible but all need to be amazing

[spare cloud]

I've played to 1.5k without even knowing how pvp works

just for essence 😄

[supple hearth]

@echo estuary they didnt change it. 2k for mog. 2.2k for cape and tabard. 2.4k enchant

[spare cloud]

the enchants are sick as well

😦

[supple hearth]

they're okay

[spare cloud]

giggle are you boosting

2,4k

[supple hearth]

no im not good enough for that

also like 75% of those are scams

[spare cloud]

thats why im asing here

trusted sources

[echo estuary]

i think 2.4 mmr right now this early in the season is occupied by tryhard r1 teams who spam games daily

[supple hearth]

yeah end of season last 2 weeks is the best time to push

[echo estuary]

its not something you can boost to if at all

[supple hearth]

because all the glads are out of the 2.2k range

[sour rune]

Should i be using Vanish to refresh my Rupture or for Envenom? Poison build ofc

[spare cloud]

shoulders or no shoulders?

[sour rune]

Shoulders

[spare cloud]

read guide

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[echo estuary]

like 3x rogue, all need to be sub or there could be a variation with a outlaw for plunder

somehow you need to force trinket in opener then vanish and go next sap dr

[spare cloud]

I don't any people that play pvp

so I never had the will to get into it

[echo estuary]

all hpala teams is insta loss at 2k

[sour rune]

overlooked that part. thanks

[echo estuary]

the tricky part i think is being good enough to live afterwards when you've killed the healer

[supple hearth]

hardest part of pvp is finding people to play with :p

[spare cloud]

Anyone here wants to play 3v3?

[echo estuary]

yeah, dead game

[spare cloud]

rogues only

My sleep is damned again

what do I do

[echo estuary]

geh schlafen mann

[spare cloud]

can't sleep

[lethal heart]

i remember i tried playing pvp at the start of expansion

and once my friends got bored with it

i just couldnt find stable people

who wanted to play, imrpove and such

[safe matrix]

I stopped pvp'ing at the beginning of wod

[echo estuary]

yeah its a pain to find partners

[safe matrix]

actually I just stopped playing during WoD altogether 🤷

[lethal heart]

got to like ~2.1k at the start of this expansion in 2's and 3's

which was kind of big for me

since it was first time ever for me when i played pvp more serious

[echo estuary]

unless you are/have been at a reasonably high level already, i can only imagine the pain mediocre players must be going through

[spare cloud]

Not only pvp where its hard to find partners

[echo estuary]

its a catch22 when it comes to improving

[lethal heart]

yea

probably if you used t o play at like 2.6k+ let's say

you already have contacts and such

[astral sundial]

apologies again for being non related to the conversion - for argus, cheat death or elusiveness?

[lethal heart]

so even if you go inactive for 2-3 seasons or expansion

chances are

people are gonna give you chance/help you out and what not

because you probably have mechanical skill

and awareness

[echo estuary]

yep, spot on

[lethal heart]

tbh what's mots important in pvp

is proper bindings

like seriously

[spare cloud]

@astral sundial cheat death is good

[lethal heart]

getting your target arena 1/2/3 binds focus arena 1/2/3

[echo estuary]

well one could just bingewatch the vods of top5 rogues one weekend and you'll be ready in notime if you possess the capability to employ said mechanics that are relevant to the meta of the game

[lethal heart]

thing is

if you're a newbie watching pov of really good player

you dont know what the fuck he's doing

why did he do such thing

[echo estuary]

yeah

[lethal heart]

that's so hard to get a grip of pvp

[echo estuary]

but it has been really watered down now gravely that i think its easier to understand nowadays. One just needs to learn the foundamental concepts.

[lethal heart]

the best thing is probably if you could stream and be watched by someone really high ranked to give you tipsi think?

or just playing with someone high ranked

but well noone is gonna do it for free

unless you happen to know a person like taht 😛

maybe not know but be friends with said person

[spare cloud]

@gusty kestrel

[lethal heart]

but idk when i was playing monk a bit in 2's just for memes

it feels so much like pve

[echo estuary]

its mostly pve now yes

[lethal heart]

at least monk

[echo estuary]

with the caveat that you need to trade cooldowns

[lethal heart]

even pretty much same talents

yea that was so funny

actually getting 2k in 2's in comparison to 3's

is so much mroe difficult it feels like

it felt so much mroe difficult to exploit someone's mistake

in 2's

but i wasnt good player for sure what is 2k rating really

[astral sundial]

@spare cloud and when would you use feint during the fight? watching methods video atm and the bit where the rogue is playing it seems a bit random to me when he cast it

like, he have gaze on but sometimes he use it and sometimes not

[echo estuary]

i think around 2k at the later stage of the season is pretty straightforward if you know how to min-max decently in pve

[lethal heart]

2k feels like knowing basics

[spare cloud]

You dont need to use it much

[lethal heart]

and pve rotation

like not lining your healer like a retard

do not overlap your cc's

be smart about your cc

[echo estuary]

yeah

its just pve and cooldown trading

thats the outplay, sadly

[lethal heart]

it's a little bit more frustrating than pve

[echo estuary]

for me its the other way around tbh, i cannot see myself spamming buttons at the required rate for prolonged periods of time anymore. i did that when i was younger and cleared LK hc back in wrath

[lethal heart]

you should try mythic+ maybe

because it's just

you can do it anytime

just like pvp

unless it's the whole concept of playing against AI and fixed rotation that you must do on certain bosses over and over

and i guess in pvp at least you can match against someone who plays a little bit differently or just meet other comps

[spare cloud]

But don't you end up playing against the same combs later on anyways

[lethal heart]

it's legion that did it

forced people to play 1 certain style

because of the templates

[echo estuary]

yeah that tends to get boring fast for me, the AI script. I mean PvP is scripted too nowadays, sadly (it wasnt like this in the glory days believe me)

[lethal heart]

yea i know

it's the templates

that did it

like at 1st i thought its really good they did it

[echo estuary]

templates? no no man. its the cooldown trading

[lethal heart]

but more and more i played it/talked with more experienced players they dislike it

[echo estuary]

guy presses X you respond with Y else you fall behind

its simplified pvp

also the heavy pruning of abilities was a calamity

positioning has become obsolete too in large regard, comparatively

[lethal heart]

i mean i'm sure previous expansions pvp had it's issues

like legendaries in arenas

that for sure wasnt healthy

[echo estuary]

i mean the template's function is just purely to balance out the stats and thats all, its not the issue in itself as i see it. The major problems are (over)simplification, "the script", cooldown trading.

[lethal heart]

how could you outplay something in previous iterations of the game?

[echo estuary]

yeah leggos in arena was a flawed design for sure, it wasnt healthy at all

there was a plethora of ways mate

fakecasting mattered so much

just non-burst damage mattered

[lethal heart]

i see

yea legion pvp definitely seems too bursty

but burst is always gonna be demanded in pvp case

[echo estuary]

positioning was huge, if you were a split second late or slightly overextending (literally slightly) you were punished hard

[supple hearth]

i wont lie - as a rogue- i'm going to really miss legendaries and how broken wpvp is

[lethal heart]

yea wpvp is a disgrace to pvp

at this point

[echo estuary]

i'm not overexaggerating in saying that you could 1v2 people in arena up till 2k rating in wotlk

[spare cloud]

I like world pvp

[echo estuary]

you could have blue gear and succeed

this is not some nostalgia or overexaggeration

[lethal heart]

yea i know you could've done that

[supple hearth]

I first got into wow back in tbc days off a private server and playing rogue I remember being able to gank people in a stunlock. Being able to blow people up because of shoulders in wpvp feels so good

[lethal heart]

i know rogue had literally

10 thousand tricks

[echo estuary]

being very fast mattered
positioning mattered
predicting was huge
non-burst damage mattered (you could force cooldowns just by hitting people if they couldnt cope with the healing)

[lethal heart]

now we have dampening

so mots games arent draws xd

dampening is actually broken though

especially when playing against double dps comps

[echo estuary]

and having so many abilities made the skillcap sky high

like even rank 1 spells had use (rank 1 spell that you got on low level, scaled to low level but fast cast)

[turbid harbor]

f r o s t b o l t

[echo estuary]

fireball to dot the rogue to prevent a clean vanish

[lethal heart]

well that was smart to use low rank spell becasue of that

[echo estuary]

r1 frostbolts to stack winter's chill debuff (stacked to 5) for dispel protection

[lethal heart]

minmax thing

clearly that wasnt intended tho

to have people use lower ranks of their skill

i know people in sunwell used lower rank heals

healears*

[echo estuary]

dispel from the healer had no CD, and dispel randomly removed two harmful effects

[lethal heart]

coz they cost less mana

[turbid harbor]

then they shouldn't have made the cast so fast 😄

[echo estuary]

so in order to protect a dispel on your poly, you could prestack winter's chill

another random example: you could use rank 3 (or whatever) heal to conserve mana

to min-max healing vs mana

all added to skillcap

[lethal heart]

yea

[turbid harbor]

they made all ranks cost the same mana in wotlk i think it was

but r1 frostbolt was still speedy as fuck

[lethal heart]

min max healing i knew about that

[spare cloud]

27 binds for 3 healings spells

every rank in bars

🤔

[lethal heart]

i mean

shift 1-9

[echo estuary]

its just that

[lethal heart]

ctrl alt 1-9

ez clap

[echo estuary]

the game had SO much depth

those examples are just that, few examples

before you popped icy veins, you could protect your veins from dispels by using dampen magic on yourself+slowfall+arcane int

small things like that

brought depth

[lethal heart]

well anyway think i'm off

it's getting late

[echo estuary]

same

good night folks

[lethal heart]

sleep tight gn

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

whilst I think pve heavily benefited from ability pruning

I think it's sad what it does to pvp

[frosty linden]

Can anyone do me a brief log review? cos i feel like now i kinda got a better grip of the spec