assassination

[zealous dew]

look, your friend casted 2 TB more than you did

[zealous dew]

his avg KB dmg is 4.48, yours is 3.65

[gilded yacht]

I assume I only beat their DPS out of simply having higher ilvl then? 🤔

[zealous dew]

sin is a very forgiving spec

[safe matrix]

Poison bomb

[gilded yacht]

ah

[safe matrix]

Cough cough

[zealous dew]

just practice

you'll get there

[gilded yacht]

Normally I'm used to playing heals and such is all, but my rogue has been my "main" for a while. Most legos gathered and such. When I play my hpriest, I do much better

[jovial kite]

just smite on cd

[safe matrix]

Tbh sin is a lot like resto I found

[jovial kite]

[safe matrix]

Just HoT/DoT the living fuck outta everything

[gilded yacht]

well, I'm pretty new to raidbots. Is there a quick link to a guide I can read to get me started on using it?

[zealous dew]

has a very friendly GUI

you need to have the simc addon to export data

in game, just /simc, copy all and import the simc textarea of raidbots

select 1 boss, patchwerk 5 mins fights 100k iterations

[safe matrix]

I'll just dm my write up of it then go to sleep

I don't wanna spam the channel

[gilded yacht]

That's fine 😆
I just wanna get better at this since... well, getting 80th-90th percentile on healing constantly for both resto and hrpiest and then doing so terrible as a rogue just seemed suspicious to me.

I thought after a few fights and logs, maybe it was just a fluke or something, but second week, same thing, third week, same thing

[safe matrix]

I mean, people always think dps'ing is easy

[zealous dew]

once a wise man said, tanking is a skill, healing is an art and dpsing is a science

[jovial kite]

science

pray for pb

more like religion

[gilded yacht]

Also thanks a lot for the help 😆
I appreciate it. I'm just a dumb guy who presses buttons on a keyboard and hopes they work.
Hence my name.

[lost horizon]

healing is pretty damn different than DPSing if you're fresh to it

just gotta work at it and figure it out

[gilded yacht]

I just started DPSing I wanna say... right after AotC Tomb ended.

But like I said, most of my gear comes from non-raid content as well

So DPS raiding has been pretty new

[zealous dew]

i didn't mean this spec

[safe matrix]

Yeah it's a different beast

[zealous dew]

in general, dps is more science oriented

[safe matrix]

Instead of trying to conserve shit in case things go to shit or to prevent that, you need to burn everything as effectively as possibly to get the deeps

[gilded yacht]

I've noticed I do that, though usually because I know a mechanic is coming up that won't let my "rotation" of KB + TB tick its final tick, so I wait for the mechanic to end before I switch my targets to apply that

[safe matrix]

Ignore mechanics

Stand in fire

Blame healers if you die

🤷

[gritty rain]

+1

[gilded yacht]

that sounds like a fine plan

[gilded yacht]

holy shit the sugar crusted fish feast is slightly better?

[vestal wren]

it has the same effect as the lemon herb filete

[gilded yacht]

ho boy

I often sell a crazy ton of darkmoon fish because of the mounts

had no idea the leftovers could be used for myself

[steep obsidian]

you cant use the fillet in mythic+ dungeons

hence why the sugar crusted is very popular there

[vestal wren]

the fiest is better if 3 or more ppl use it

[steep obsidian]

yeh that too

[zealous dew]

borean trundra 😦

[strange python]

How much artifact level for mount recolor?

[zealous dew]

75 i suppose?

nvm

52

the last triat

[dusky tiger]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[honest pelican]

freaking kidding me, i cant get past 780 engineering skill without darkmoon faire orsome shit. or doing some insane quest,to get a shoulfer enchant, and rely on a shematic to drop, depending which one, would cost between 4-10k per to make, that gives 5 skill ups each. so im 2 shor of 800

apparently is a huge problem, theres nothing to make at 780 o skill up

unless u wanna drop like 20k to make Trigger, for 5 pskills up

[zealous dew]

lulz

[slate tulip]

hello, may i ask q. Do You delay toxic blades on kb? or w/e just pop on cd ?

[zealous dew]

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[honest pelican]

from personal expeience(migh be wrong) depending on my CP, if i have like 3, ill toxic blade, ifitr crits ill pop KB, vice versa kb -> toxic with an envenom

then mut mut, envenom once current enven fall off

[shrewd oriole]

@slate tulip nah you just pop it on cd my dude

[brisk forge]

Use on cd bro

[jovial kite]

bro on cd my use

[solar willow]

@jupe just spam goblin glider kits

@honest pelican

[dire spoke]

[ashen ibex]

Ei guys, I'm totally new for the rogue. Can u give me some tips to improve?

[kindred forge]

!singuide

[honest pelican]

@solar willow i did goblin glider kids from 1 to 780

they grey out

i can get to 790 with some rank 3 grenade stuff by buying rank 2 recie with 250 sightless eyes, rank 3 with 500 and 1500g

then its either make 2 triggers(new toon, dont have 50 bloods let alone 100 for 2)

or use the shoulder enchant for engineering, and hope the recipe for the 880 goggles drop, ten make 2 of them whic will cost 5-15k ea

all for dat blingtron 6k(i ahve 5k already, was cakewalk)

[spare cloud]

@hazy tendon I mean that would mean APL is wrong

@jovial kite u drunk?

[jovial kite]

No

[spare cloud]

Can you carry me hc then

[jovial kite]

Im eating

[spare cloud]

i dont mean right now

im eating too

[shrewd oriole]

which charr do u need a carry on

[spare cloud]

monk

[near meadow]

guys got a question

how much ilvl is worth the active of the arcway ring ? ( 5% more dmg , for 12s 3min cd )

wonder if it's worth equipping a 955 ring for a 940 one

[warm parcel]

sim

[near meadow]

will sim use it on vanish ?

[dire spoke]

No on CD, it's faulty in the APL

[near meadow]

rofl

[dire spoke]

so it's worth more than sim will tell you

[near meadow]

cause fight are less than 4 min so obviously

you want to use it on vanish

and on poison bomb for longer fight i guess

[lone junco]

@zealous dew what level is rogue?

@near meadow with shoulders I would use thumb ring with vanish.

The apl uses it dry at the min mark with no buffs and possible without vendetta. So it's worth a bit more than sim shows.

And don't cold open with ring. The Kb pop is too far out. The vanish at 6sec is about right.

Might get a little better result with it used on vendetta Depending on fight timing.

[zealous dew]

69 !

rogue3 at 7 and rogue4 at 7

[lone junco]

You making a push for mythic progression in the fall?

[zealous dew]

need to find a guild first

but they're all on kazzak

[spare cloud]

[near meadow]

Simming at 2m380 with this ring in 940 .. loosing a bit but the apl bein shitty, might be arround 2m4

[spare cloud]

wtf

[near meadow]

so i'd say the ring is about 25ilvl

the active

[wise frigate]

Link this sim.

[spare cloud]

No

[drifting cloud]

lol no way

[near meadow]

?

[shrewd oriole]

link the sim

[near meadow]

why ? xD

[shrewd oriole]

Link it

[near meadow]

rhhoo

[shrewd oriole]

ok

I call bs then

🤷🏿

[near meadow]

i'm doin it calm

will try to show the diff with a 950 ring with the same kind of stat

so you can see the value of the active proc

or at least get an idea

[spare cloud]

Please open our eyes

[wise frigate]

We asked for a link. Not your thesis.

[near meadow]

CALM i'm simming atm

[wise frigate]

Shit I channeled my inner Tom. I'm sorry.

[near meadow]

xD

[spare cloud]

Banned

[wise frigate]

Plsno I'll be good boi.

[warm parcel]

thats still not the url

[wise frigate]

Just copy the raidbots url at the top of your screen.

[near meadow]

oh shit

right

xD

[drifting cloud]

🤦

[near meadow]

v

[shrewd oriole]

[near meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iJCFPcg3NEL8BmC9J1S3Ho

just calm boyz

same ring with 10 ilvl more sims at 2 364 000

[jovial kite]

15 pantheon tronkets thonki thonk

[spare cloud]

that gear though

[near meadow]

well in raid we have 19 panth

so i guess it's ok

isnt it ?

[spare cloud]

You do realize thats 15 Amanthuls

[jovial kite]

you dont have 19 amanthul combos though

[drifting cloud]

no

sim with 8

[warm parcel]

https://i.imgur.com/xomyeMs.png

this is why I quit rogue

[jovial kite]

ok so i got a spot as a rouge in momento br?

[turbid harbor]

b o m b e d e p o i s o n

[near meadow]

why the fk

would you fkin bully me

just asking a question

[warm parcel]

I dont

[turbid harbor]

why is it more tilting in french

[warm parcel]

I just hate rogue

[near meadow]

it's not about my sim

[spare cloud]

Who is bullying you

[near meadow]

xD

[warm parcel]

Rogue shit class

uninstall rogue pls blzz

[jovial kite]

ginv @warm parcel

[warm parcel]

sure sec

not even online smh

[jovial kite]

[warm parcel]

but ye

[near meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mKgoDs9xvywod3u3PQHozs

[warm parcel]

the effect on the ring isnt too amazing

[near meadow]

anyway

i think the ring active

is about 25 ilvl

[spare cloud]

How do you get that gear from hc only

<.<

[warm parcel]

well in your case

sure

[near meadow]

i'm full mm

dude

[shrewd oriole]

it wasnt even ebtter than a 950 ring tho

[near meadow]

calm ur tits

[warm parcel]

but I wouldnt generalize that

[spare cloud]

Oh yeah the icon is buggy

[spare cloud]

keep forgetting that

[shrewd oriole]

how is it 25

[near meadow]

yeah cause it's using it on cd

not when you pop everything

so it's better than what it seems

by far

[shrewd oriole]

if anything it'd be 15

not 25

lmao

[near meadow]

nop

[jovial kite]

bomb de poisson

[shrewd oriole]

lol

[near meadow]

dude if it use it on cd

on a 3min fight

you are basicaly wasting it

without vandetta

without vanish

without exec phase

[drifting cloud]

almost as if you vanish in the first 12s of the fight

[near meadow]

so YES imo it's worth 25 ilvl

[jovial kite]

its all fun and feely until its simmed

[near meadow]

@spare cloud - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/archimonde/raahven

stop

fkin

bully me

[spare cloud]

What the fuck

how am I bullying you

[near meadow]

" How do you get that gear from hc only
<.< "

zz

[drifting cloud]

the icons are bugged on raidbots you baguette

as he told you

[spare cloud]

I said I looked wrong

thefuck dude

do you want to get bullied by me

if you want to just say so

[jovial kite]

stop harass start caress

[near meadow]

nvm

[wise frigate]

"baguette" my favorite insult. I <3 you Ryler.

[near meadow]

just wanted toi tell my opinion on the ring

[warm parcel]

and banned

[near meadow]

if you've got a 945-950 one

straight equip it

[drifting cloud]

almost as if it was good you would see more people using it

[warm parcel]

well again no

[wise frigate]

Weak, my dad owns Discord. I'll get him to ban you from all of Discord dammit.

[warm parcel]

you dont come in here and feelcraft generalize something as old as nibble ring

Sure you can sim what its like for you

No youre not gonna suddenly convince 10k rogues that its bis no matter what

[jovial kite]

but srs weak who ur rogues gon be if you play omelette au froMage

[spare cloud]

Flowi

[near meadow]

checked some log

that's why i farmed it

[warm parcel]

Who said I dont rogue in bfa 🤔

[jovial kite]

you said you switched ;___;

[spare cloud]

Weak just likes to get his alts carried during farm

[warm parcel]

^

[spare cloud]

Not that I judge

I do the same

I even get my main carried during farm

[warm parcel]

Funny enough my mage logs are better than rogue

[drifting cloud]

pretty sure I saw weak 1st on dmg on Argus on his mage 👍

[warm parcel]

Rogue is half purple

[spare cloud]

because nobody plays arcane

[shrewd oriole]

isnt your rogue's gear shit

[warm parcel]

well its same as mage

[shrewd oriole]

have yuo played it since the kill at all lol

[near meadow]

that's where i expected it to be godlike

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/kr/아즈샤라/아넨엘베

[warm parcel]

972 with t20 2p

[shrewd oriole]

mage?

thats nutty for mage gear

[spare cloud]

If you kill the bosses as world rank 3

[shrewd oriole]

p good

[spare cloud]

don't you have 100% everywhere

unless flowi

[shrewd oriole]

[warm parcel]

Im talking publogs

lol

[shrewd oriole]

beaten by flowi

[warm parcel]

My only pub logs are from my gdkp

[shrewd oriole]

rank 6 on every fight

[spare cloud]

ik I was joking xD

[shrewd oriole]

[warm parcel]

but ye my frost is p nutty

[spare cloud]

I have 977 now

[warm parcel]

belt boots ring haste vers from weekly

👌

[spare cloud]

but I still sim less than 2.3

<.<

[near meadow]

link sim

[drifting cloud]

how

[near meadow]

& stuff

[spare cloud]

980 set gloves

[drifting cloud]

even I sim above 2.3 and my relics are fucking awful

[near meadow]

strange that you sim so low

[warm parcel]

lemme put frost gear on

Im in arcane 😄

[spare cloud]

Yeah please give me some input @near meadow

sec

[shrewd oriole]

what do you sim on your rogue tho weak

[near meadow]

yeah but overall gloves are " not that bad "

[warm parcel]

I havent checked in ages

[shrewd oriole]

cuz I just simmed you and you sim like 2.1

[warm parcel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7q1RBN6TtazUNc8DxRYACD

Im in alac rn

so ye

[shrewd oriole]

rip

[vestal wren]

your twink sims higher then my main, rip

[spare cloud]

wtf

[jovial kite]

btw weak m tomb 20:00 fin time

[wise frigate]

970 with 2.11 sims That 980 haste mastery ring hurts my soul.

[spare cloud]

Our monk sims 2.7 mil

[drifting cloud]

just have monk alt if you wanna sim more than main ez

[warm parcel]

well my relics are still garbo

[spare cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/stTDbKTJJqCNCjmnkf4oyZ

Oh

[warm parcel]

and wep is only 1001

[spare cloud]

I'm getting closer

[warm parcel]

no trinkets

[jovial kite]

u comin weak

[shrewd oriole]

@jovial kite do you have spots? I'm home today

[jovial kite]

?

[spare cloud]

2.3 M soon bois

[warm parcel]

ye dude

you didnt ask me last week

[jovial kite]

i did

[near meadow]

want ur stuff

dude

cmon

xD

[warm parcel]

did you 🤔

[jovial kite]

no wait last week

i was shitfaced

[shrewd oriole]

do you have spots jackkkk

[warm parcel]

also Im gonna mage this week 😏

[jovial kite]

it was easter

[warm parcel]

ye

[jovial kite]

we didnt run

u can come with mage nps

[warm parcel]

gonna do 1.5M dps as arcane 👌

[jovial kite]

🤢

[drifting cloud]

😠

[lethal heart]

how do you sim 2 ,7

[wise frigate]

That's rank 1 material isn't it?

[lethal heart]

are you 985 in every item slot

[spare cloud]

Sebek

sec

[shrewd oriole]

monks?

[lethal heart]

or was it meme

[warm parcel]

monkas

[jovial kite]

ill let u know when we go tom

probably have couple dps spots

[shrewd oriole]

👍🏿

sounds good

[lethal heart]

i'm just guessing its 985 shadow fanged/ or some other 985 good trinket like eoc

[warm parcel]

@stark heart coming for t20 too?

[lethal heart]

like really fucking good relics and such

[spare cloud]

He has a 980 EoC

I think

[lethal heart]

but then still 2,7 seems completely out of reach

[near meadow]

btw

[lethal heart]

like 2,55 i could believe

[spare cloud]

Give me a sec

[near meadow]

also saw a hov trinket on rogue

[spare cloud]

I'm simming him right naow

[near meadow]

might be good

he's topping parses

[wise frigate]

I saw a rogue with Fulminator's. So what?

[lethal heart]

my monk sims like 2,4 with 'okayish' gear 945 trinket still, decent relics, 960 in every slot nothing fancy

[spare cloud]

Nah the best parsing rogue atm is actually using a HoV

[near meadow]

is he top 10 ?

[spare cloud]

because he has it 980

or smth

[wise frigate]

Oh the Call or whatever?

[shrewd oriole]

980 hov

[spare cloud]

Okay @lethal heart I'm Stupid I think it was with pantheon trinkets then

[strange python]

guys this stats for assisan rogue http://prntscr.com/j2huh7

[wise frigate]

Isn't that basically just a juicy stat stick at that point?

[lethal heart]

ohh

pantheon trinkets impact sims that much?

[near meadow]

ok stats

[drifting cloud]

my friend actually has a 985 socket hov that dropped not from weekly 🤔

[warm parcel]

well ol goes from 1.5 to 2.9 with 20 trinks

[jovial kite]

hov

[warm parcel]

so ye

[stark heart]

@warm parcel why ping me here

[drifting cloud]

on a dh lul

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/2e6f2b232a9f357e5208d58048cc7ebc

thats with 0 additional pantheons

[warm parcel]

cause we disc it here

[stark heart]

[warm parcel]

rn

[jovial kite]

980 hov

[lethal heart]

never bothered simming with panths

[jovial kite]

lorentz

come tomb

today

[lethal heart]

but yea 2,575 i can believe that

[jovial kite]

you never come

[lethal heart]

but tahts absolutely OBNOXIOUS gear

[strange python]

it's good or garbage

[lethal heart]

like 985's everywhere

[strange python]

and what i have to change?

[spare cloud]

I think he has 979

[lethal heart]

titanforge god

[spare cloud]

and really good items

like really really good stats

[strange python]

you are talking to me?

[lethal heart]

i dont think you can even get 2,4 sim as sub

realistically

[wise frigate]

Get a belt that isn't haste Kami. Rest looks fine. I'm assuming helm is crit/mastery?

[shrewd oriole]

what does ashine sim at

[lethal heart]

unless he has some really sick tf trinket or really sick t20

[spare cloud]

Yeh 980 EoC

[lethal heart]

i dont think he sims that high

sub rogue sims PepeHands

[spare cloud]

Tyra r1 sub rogue sims

on wowprogress

[shrewd oriole]

he sims 2.33

[drifting cloud]

dwarf masterrace

[spare cloud]

r1 and r2

[shrewd oriole]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/ashiné

[spare cloud]

belf/dwarf

[shrewd oriole]

976

with 2p

[spare cloud]

those are some bad logs

and he played assa for argus

😦

[wise frigate]

Omg new Boku No Hero Academia episode

[lethal heart]

actually

[drifting cloud]

why is his weapon 1007 🔫

[lethal heart]

i was playing with some alt guild recently on my rogue

and managed to kill covens finally

on rogue

LUL

[warm parcel]

well flowis bm wep is 1000

and hes been in one raid

🤔

[drifting cloud]

does he have turtle traits

[lethal heart]

but i have 2x energettic stabbing + weakpoint t3 relics

and could spec ns

so 2,3 is available but not having triple gr

[warm parcel]

cobra shot x2 and beast cleave

[lethal heart]

omegalul

[warm parcel]

😄

[lone junco]

@lethal heart sin panth is worth like 1.5-2%

[vestal wren]

so all rogues switch to hunter/mage?

[lethal heart]

monk

dont forget monk

[drifting cloud]

monk obv

[vestal wren]

well monk is just fotm

monk/dk

[lone junco]

i like the dh toolkit for M+.

[dusky tiger]

!trinket

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[lethal heart]

dh has nice flavour in some dungeons

[spare cloud]

I like dh on singletarget

Challenging fun class

[lethal heart]

i'd try it out but i just cba going through legendaries system again

[spare cloud]

You really have to know what youre doing

[drifting cloud]

if you have some tokens you get legos so fast

[turbid harbor]

ya dh is insanely complex

[lethal heart]

i have 7 warlock legendaries

[turbid harbor]

do i press 1

[lethal heart]

but i resist

[turbid harbor]

or do i not have enough fury

and have to press 2

[vestal wren]

m+ in bfa will be rly fun if we compete with the dh that offers magic damage amp, better aoe control etc.

[lethal heart]

i just hate pet classes, concept of them in general

[lone junco]

my dh is like 920 and bursts like 6m on trash with beam. so yeah, thats really some synergy calculus.

[drifting cloud]

my warr has 14 legos with 4days played

[lone junco]

is there a trash pack? dash to it, and hit beam

[spare cloud]

You also need to walk around and collect orbs

Dont forget that challenging mechanic

[lethal heart]

built in engine of eradication

👌

[turbid harbor]

playing bard in wow

excellent

[spare cloud]

Im a bard main

So

[turbid harbor]

yikes

[spare cloud]

Bard bard all day

Y I K E S

[turbid harbor]

i got back into league a bit since kai'sa got buffed

https://gyazo.com/65b6930dbc2a53a3b92cff6cedc0b36d

[vestal wren]

nidalee main

tho didnt play since s3/4

[turbid harbor]

i'm playing against m o n k e y s

[lethal heart]

i played my usual yearly casual game in league

and they changed le blanc

monkaS

[vestal wren]

kaisa seems rly strong tho

[drifting cloud]

tfw first time hearing about a champ called kai'sa

feels season4

[turbid harbor]

kai'sa is so much fun

[drifting cloud]

I legit havent played since the map got reworked

[vestal wren]

she seems rly potent after the buffs, was a bit undertuned early

i remember replacing terrain map to play with the reworked map earlier XD

[drifting cloud]

that has to be atleast like 4 years right

[toxic cape]

Anyone know why my surge of toxin weak aura is not showing its icon (its showing a question mark) when it isn't active?

the icon is there when it's up

[proud verge]

we are starting vari mythic progress today: whats the best way to handle the adds as assa?

[lethal heart]

get psn bombs

while they're in melee

[wise frigate]

@toxic cape Typically WAs that are flagged for missing debuffs/buffs don't work with automatic icon. You have to set it manually.

[stone fossil]

what trinkets you guys using for aoe in m+ for assa ??

[dire spoke]

mastery stat stick

[open reef]

I use dogz trinket

And eoc on st

[toxic cape]

@wise frigate it won't even register an icon if i put its ID in

https://gfycat.com/BewitchedDelayedJerboa thats it in a gif

[drifting cloud]

just steal the one from notters wa pack in pins

ez

[toxic cape]

Well i just "chose" it from WA so thats all fixed lol

[echo estuary]

60 fps ugh

turn vsync off man

and use higher refresh rate, 60hz is laggy

[floral forge]

What is the best rotation????

[vapid moth]

Pins

Go to the guide

[floral forge]

Gotcha thanks

[iron sierra]

hey dudes. just simmed myself, but can't find the scale factors in simcraft

any help?

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats

[toxic cape]

@echo estuary that feel when my monitor doesn't go any higher so it doesn't matter

[drifting cloud]

you can still disable vsync

[north basin]

is there perfect amount of envenoms during vendetta? i like precise numbers ?XD

[vestal wren]

20

tho i dont think there is a scenario where you are able to fit 20 in

i mean maybe with mfd and adds that die with the exact right timing

[north basin]

nah just regular single target fight with bl and without bl

i just mechanicaly do all the openers and rotation. but lately tried to count how much envenoms i do. so i can compare good rotation and failed rotation. l

[vestal wren]

iirc its more about maintaining SoT

[safe matrix]

The only real time you care about spamming envenom is during toxic blade

other times you're just maintaining it basically

[north basin]

ok then during toxic . whats good amount of envenoms ?

[solid nova]

2

[north basin]

and during kingsbane

[safe matrix]

2-3 I think during tb

Maintaining envenom 100% uptime

During kb

Is basically the priority there

[north basin]

ok tnx and other question - right now my single target rotation of CDs looks like opener -> toxicblade kingsbane vendeta - after 45 sec kingsbane + toxic. and after i do again toxic+kings+vendeta.

is it okey to delay toxic this way?

i mean i never cast it outside of kingsbane or kingsbane + vendeta

[strange python]

Do you mean ~30s

Kingsbane does not have a 45s cd

[safe matrix]

I'm assuming you're talking about delaying toxic blade

[strange python]

yea

[safe matrix]

And kingsbane gets cd reduced by energy spent

[north basin]

ye

31

[safe matrix]

Just do the opener in the guide

[strange python]

you mean dp applications

[safe matrix]

Which is conveniently linked to at the top of the discord

[north basin]

ye i read guide and i do 2.3k - 2.4k single target. but i think i dont 100% get the idea of toxic + kingsbane. not everyone capable understanding guide )(

so i need some more explanation here )

[safe matrix]

Sorry, so what don't you understand about it?

It was hard to read

Your explanation

[north basin]

ye clunky explanation i understand

mb iam myself dont understand what iam trying to explain )

let me rethink

[solid nova]

Sounds like you're trying to overcomplicate something that isn't complicated mate

[north basin]

yes maybe

[vestal wren]

just pray for poison bomb

😛

[safe matrix]

^

[north basin]

i just try to find some formula for perfect rotation. and ofc i pray for pbomb too )

[strange python]

You can look at the action sequence that your simulation does

[gaunt moat]

there is no "secret" for perfect rotation

for assassination there is very little you can do to fuck yourself over

you just need to stick to the basics

[strange python]

he wasnt looking for a secret

[gaunt moat]

it sure sounds to me like he does

[north basin]

i tried to look action sequence at raidbot . but there is too much lines and i cant clear read em

iam not programmer

[gaunt moat]

for the most part, as sin, you use everything on cooldown. it's pretty simple in that way.
i outlined in the guide just some scenarios where you MIGHT want to delay some abilities

[solid nova]

What level are you now?

[strange python]

hold on let me show you

[vernal adder]

just proc pb

[solid nova]

As I'll assume you're not max based on the dps you gave

[north basin]

what do u mean by level?

[solid nova]

?

[gaunt moat]

character level

[strange python]

item level

[north basin]

110?lol

972

[solid nova]

2.3k dps?

[gaunt moat]

maybe he meant million then

[north basin]

ye kk

not k

[vernal adder]

k

[gaunt moat]

ok

[gaunt lark]

Hi folks, I was wondering if somebody could give me advice on how to not waste CPs? I was using the guide to look at my log and while I don't really waste a lot of energy, I seem to waste CPs

My DPS seems to be pretty gross still

[north basin]

my myth logs purple and i have 4-5 orange logs in heroic. but i need orange in mythic. besides bomb procs i need perfect rotation )

[gaunt moat]

@Reysatana#4110 when you said about TB
i mean i never cast it outside of kingsbane or kingsbane + vendeta
why not?

[gaunt lark]

I have a log if that hepls

[north basin]

coz when i cast toxic blade outside of kingsbane the second kingsbane active i dont have toxic blade or its at its last seconds

this feeling i got. maybe iam wrong

[solid nova]

Tb on cooldown gives the most dps

[gaunt moat]

@gaunt lark as sin you will waste CP no matter what. but as long as you don't mutilate when on 4+ CPs it should mostly be okay.

[vestal wren]

yes there is sadly not much thought in sin gameplay, its usually just use everything on cooldown

[gaunt moat]

@Reysatana#4110 you're putting WAY too much importance on TB + kingsbane, when the guide specificly says not to delay for it.

[solid nova]

I think you're putting way too much thought into the spec in general tbh

[gaunt lark]

That still seems like quite a bit

this was normal dogs

[safe matrix]

Dineb you do finishers on 4+

Yours gonna have waste with sin though

[gaunt lark]

Rupture as well?

[gaunt moat]

yes

[safe matrix]

Yeap

[gaunt lark]

Ahh, ok

[gaunt moat]

rupture is a finisher

[gaunt lark]

I haven't been doing that

I was doing envenom 4+

but 5 for rupture

[gaunt moat]

well, there you go

[solid nova]

Whoops

[gaunt lark]

all finishers 4+ thne

I also don't have 4pc yet

how big of a difference will that make?

[solid nova]

It's all in the guide fam

[drifting cloud]

huge

[vernal adder]

yuge

[gaunt lark]

I've read the guide 😦 I'm just trying to diagnose why I'm low

[safe matrix]

Well rupture is the same dps per point, it just increases in duration the more points you have

[gaunt lark]

👍

Thank you

[north basin]

i play 4 chars on mythic level (5-8) so i need to stay up to date with all rotation nuances at same time, tnx guys

[gaunt moat]

@gaunt lark i suggest to go over the tooltips for all your spells again. to make sure you understand each of them fully.

[vernal adder]

Notter you unsubbed also?

[shrewd oriole]

rip nottah

[vernal adder]

wth is that profile pic lol

[safe matrix]

The rabbit?

[strange python]

it's tom

[safe matrix]

I'm pretty sure notter has had it forever

[gaunt moat]

@vernal adder since january :x

[vernal adder]

oh, been living the unsub life for 2 weeks now

[solid nova]

Scurb

[jovial kite]

Scurb

[gaunt moat]

skurb

[solid nova]

It's not offensive if it's spelt wrong

[vernal adder]

playing wow atm

[solid nova]

Being on a wow discord with no sub 😂😂😂

[gaunt moat]

i'm still busy with legend of heroes: trails in the sky
it's like the never-ending game X_X

AND I WANT TO PLAY OTHER GAMES

but i gotta finish it first 😦

[vernal adder]

hey I like WoW it just gets fucking boring

[solid nova]

I can tell

[shrewd oriole]

dunno

I can still find enjoyment in wow

plus it's not like the money sets me back that much

[solid nova]

You're not allowed to talk about what financially can set you back

[shrewd oriole]

gonna get into pvp now

[jovial kite]

cant afford 0 dollars a month

[supple hearth]

its only boring if you only pve and do the same dungeons over and over and over and over again.

l2minigame

[shrewd oriole]

2k rating tom next month

[vernal adder]

so WoW giggle?

[floral forge]

Whats a good addon to keep track of abilities?

[shrewd oriole]

same arenas as opposed to the same dungeons

[solid nova]

Assassination PvP

Train healer

Gg

[supple hearth]

@vernal adder im doing some nice RBGs on my priest to unlock the RBG colore of the mage tower appearances

[shrewd oriole]

playing priest

playing rogue

[jovial kite]

hey hey hey

[solid nova]

I did the mage tower on my gfs mage today

[jovial kite]

serious question

[solid nova]

That was a nice change

[jovial kite]

STAPH

wheres the jeep blowjob boi

[vernal adder]

[solid nova]

Voidbutt

[shrewd oriole]

@floral forge weak auras. wago.io

[vestal wren]

wow has so much content:
m+ you can repeat infinite
world quests you can repeat infinite
weekly repeatable content in !!Multiple versions (lfr, normal, hero AND mythic)
pvp
a lot achivements/mounts you can farm

[shrewd oriole]

world quests

content

[vernal adder]

[shrewd oriole]

now thats

[jovial kite]

repetition quised as content

[shrewd oriole]

a good one fuu

[solid nova]

Everything is repetitive though

So

[safe matrix]

You can fly circles in dalaran^^

[jovial kite]

yeah so

[vestal wren]

its not even that meme bc. i assume blizz sees worldquest as content

[jovial kite]

calling it content is a stretch

[vernal adder]

thats why you take breaks

[strange python]

im new to assass, how do you do mass aoe on adds in M+ without cloak?

[vernal adder]

pb

[vestal wren]

i mean you can collect every possible achivement

[jovial kite]

BLAM SO MUCH TO DOOOO

SKEET SO MUCH TO SEEEE

[vestal wren]

you wont do much repetitive content during it

[jovial kite]

WOW HAS NEVER BEEN SO ENGAGING KAPOW

[shrewd oriole]

@supple hearth prey as assa 4 pvp rite?

[solid nova]

Did you see tisumis PvP clip

[calm grail]

Yes Tommyy

[supple hearth]

@shrewd oriole yeh

cause usually youre with a disc in arena

or mage

[vestal wren]

also you can create a new char and enjoy the whole grind/farming a 2nd time, its lovely

[vernal adder]

[calm grail]

I've considered Internal Bleeding since my partner in 2s is a shaman

[supple hearth]

2nd time

[zealous dew]

w0000000000000000 Ferrari

[calm grail]

But I don't think it matters much.

[supple hearth]

@calm grail the difference is minimal tbh. prey is just the ideal overall because typically youre not the only one doing damage

[vernal adder]

internal bleeding is what I get irl when I pvp in wow in 2018

[strange python]

you'd think a talent called "internal bleeding" would be a lot more effective

[supple hearth]

aka ramlu sucks at pvp

[vernal adder]

I do

[calm grail]

I'm just going for the Mog

All I want.

[vernal adder]

aye mog is important

[strange python]

punches you in the kidney so hard it gives you internal bleeding

[vernal adder]

no /s

[vernal adder]

purp boi

[strange python]

dope

but sub rogue, gross

[supple hearth]

i play sin too

use the purple mage tower ones

[solid nova]

I've had the mog channel muted for like 2 months 😂

[calm grail]

The uhhh prestigious war steed with mythic t21 looks p good.

All blue and gray

[vernal adder]

prestige 25 has the best looking one

[strange python]

i should get that purple mage tower one

[supple hearth]

sin

[calm grail]

The FFA PVP one Ramlu

[strange python]

those shoulders are lit man

[vernal adder]

👌

[calm grail]

You can literally Vape with my shoulders

Vape nayshe

[strange python]

i have those, i dont like the gold on them though

[crimson knoll]

They would be nice if it wasn't for the flames.

[lone junco]

i literally dont even look at my gear/mog. you guys make me lol. Mog value is like a 1/10 to me.

I set one skin every year or so and the mount auto changes my stuff

[safe matrix]

But the edgier I look

The more damage I do

[lone junco]

nah. jump more, and vanish kick env

[shrewd oriole]

@drifting cloud some insider info for you

there's nerfs to antorus coming this week

[dire spoke]

hope I can get argus before prepatch

@gusty kestrel

[cold patio]

do i need skystep potion for imonar bridge clear or does sprint also the job ?

[lone junco]

@gusty kestrel this one is called "Green"

[zealous dew]

ouch

[kindred forge]

Ugly as fuck!

[lone junco]

and this is "purple"

[kindred forge]

Slut!

[lone junco]

I mean. the mog has nothing to do with slut ness. but I guess. I did kind of cringe when my kid was done picking all the purple stuff

[gaunt moat]

Transmog talk in Assassination 😠

[spare cloud]

my transmog

irl

[sharp nova]

nice game qq

[dire spoke]

@spare cloud 🦆

[spare cloud]

[shrewd oriole]

who's the superior rogue

[zealous dew]

the hunter

[jovial kite]

cherrypicking the one boss you win

[shrewd oriole]

my 10 buffs lasted so long, I refreshed twice

flowi all the way down there

👓

need these to see him

[primal tangle]

607 m vs 488 m 🤔

That reminds me of my guilds logs

Everyone parsing green

[supple hearth]

@cold patio shouldnt need skystep. sprint and cloak work fine

if your raid is making you sacrifice to do bridge they need to rethink their comp and have tanks do it tbh lol

[zealous dew]

must be that alacrity kicking in

[spare cloud]

wait

you guys going avatar?

@shrewd oriole

[shrewd oriole]

it's over

[jovial kite]

killed already

[shrewd oriole]

no shoulders

😦

[zealous dew]

need to hit 70 to get the shukiken combo

[spare cloud]

are you doing it every weak?

pun intended

@jovial kite

[jovial kite]

yes

for the last 3 months or so

[spare cloud]

Can I join?

like every week from now on

[jovial kite]

sure just be here

when we go

[spare cloud]

when is that?

[jovial kite]

19:00 servertime

[spare cloud]

sunday? or do days vary

[jovial kite]

sunday always

[spare cloud]

kk

[fast nacelle]

[vestal wren]

so who is going to join #subtlety club if poison bomb stays?

[fast nacelle]

what do you mean

[vestal wren]

in bfa

[fast nacelle]

oh well..

[zealous dew]

i am

sub is too fun

[fast nacelle]

depends - i hope outlaw will be any competitive but i would be fine with sub aswell

i think legion sub post rework was best rogue spec

ever made :o)

[vestal wren]

i mean we will ultimatively play whats tuned best, but let me dream of #subtlety

[zealous dew]

i'm enjoying it a lot while leveling

especially in dungeons

[vestal wren]

i kind of dont like the slower pace

[fast nacelle]

i think outlaw would have been best combat spec aswell if bracer was base line and they would remove rtb

[vestal wren]

but having the option to go ES and change gameplay around FW is nice

i hope they change rtb

[fast nacelle]

just get rid off this bullshit

bracer on the other hand was really refreshing

[lone junco]

I hope Outlaw is a bit stronger.

[fast nacelle]

rtb outlaw with bracer had the perfect kit just not the perfect balance

[vestal wren]

outlaw was sadly meme potential in legion

outside of the view situations where it was good

e.g. before the buff changes with loaded dice

[fast nacelle]

i liked loaded dice outlaw most

u fished for TB but that was fine :o)

[vestal wren]

the impact of rolls was higher

[fast nacelle]

yes

[vestal wren]

so you would make up a lot more for bad rolls and had a higher damage celling

[fast nacelle]

you had decent chance for tb

and recovered quickly

[vestal wren]

the probability change made it huge

from loaded dice

[fast nacelle]

once u had tb
it was fine

and if you had tb right away you were like

no one could stop you

[vestal wren]

tho i totally agree on the TB changes

to make the buffs more balanced

[fast nacelle]

LD was nice addition. the TB nerf and change not so much eventhough ppl seem to like rtb with any 2 buff u get from LD

i think its lame now but it seems like the outlaw "experts" think its better which is fine

[vestal wren]

wasnt there a ar change as well

iirc

[fast nacelle]

yes

less energy regen longer duration

iirc

to make it less overcap

i also like assa tbh

with 4p and being not as useless in aoe as before with ap

[zealous dew]

I hate sin atm

[fast nacelle]

you still rely on PB but overall it still feels better

[vestal wren]

the aim seemed right to reduce the high apm a bit

[zealous dew]

but I have only gear for that

[fast nacelle]

outlaw apm was crazy yeah

i had some sick parses with crazy buffs. its funny

like you do 900k dps average
but then will u do 1.3m or 1.7m

with good rolls?

most stood somewhere at 1.3m but if you want to reach the 1.7m it was funny af

[vestal wren]

i understand blizz's path

[fervent beacon]

I was doing 2.5m dps on vari mythic last night with TB build

PB was at 15%

We wiped

[vestal wren]

they didnt wanted to double down on rng

[fast nacelle]

i think old outlaw was fine. after LD

just split TB

make it 1s and 1s passive

like it is now - splitted

[vestal wren]

so they changed the buffs and tone down the high apm phases

they just didnt buff the baseling to high

[fast nacelle]

rly wondering how bfa will be

i think they did very good job on sub and good job on assa

outlaw had good attempts but not my taste

(eventhough atm outlaw seems rly decent)

[vestal wren]

i assume they are on outlaw focus from recent changes

[fast nacelle]

issue with outlaw is

[vestal wren]

so we might see more changes

[fast nacelle]

even if its good like now

cause it scales with pantheon and snd

[turbid harbor]

we still have 1 talent coming soon for sub

[fast nacelle]

you never used it for progress

you abused sub cause it had high dmg from tomb

[vestal wren]

yes i assume sub will get an aoe talent

[fast nacelle]

and then transition into assa

[vestal wren]

as they removed aoe in t1 completely

[fast nacelle]

only thing that bothered me with sub was

that they nerfed bracer rather than shuriken combo

legy wise

[turbid harbor]

We deserved a nerf to our patchwerk damage

And bracer was too powerful with cof

[fervent beacon]

i was okay with that, nerf on bracers because playing with gloves as sub is so engaging like how it is with RtB bracers

[fast nacelle]

oh surprise

[vestal wren]

🤦 cof was the issue not bracers or combo

[fast nacelle]

cof was broken

on 5 classes

better nerf every lego

rather than one fucking cof :o)

[turbid harbor]

Obviously cof was the issue

[fast nacelle]

classic blizzard

[fervent beacon]

and it's still the issue considering CoF is still bis for RtB OL

[fast nacelle]

cof and shuriken combo was the issue for abusive ST and aoe

[turbid harbor]

It’s sad

[vestal wren]

they nerfed mantle, fixed dps bugs and nerfed bracers, added NC with bad weapon sclaing for sub

[lone junco]

@fast nacelle 6b LD was a good window.

[vestal wren]

and on top made shit t21 4p and pantheon scale with haste

who thought that sub would after that fall behind 🤔

[fast nacelle]

in theory antorus was perfect

you started as sub
went to assa
and "could" farm with outlaw

like no spec was exactly useless

[vestal wren]

we started on sub due to TF

Titanforging means the last tier has huge impact on progression of the next one

[fast nacelle]

2p2p = quick power spike

[vestal wren]

and ToS was literally the only tier you played sub

[fast nacelle]

cause of good bonuses

tos was sub tier cause we had one good alround spec with dfa

[vestal wren]

the design of the fights also favoured the spec

[fast nacelle]

and set bonus helped

yep

and we took this set bonus transition into antorus

[vestal wren]

sub was even slightly overtuned in tos

[fast nacelle]

once u got your 4p and some crit

you went for assa and now you can play around with 19 pantheons and snd outlaw

could be worse though

[vestal wren]

still weaker then arms

[turbid harbor]

Sub was broken as fuck in tos

[vestal wren]

not rly

[fast nacelle]

sub wasnt broken dmg wise but if you add a value for: st - aoe - burst - sustain - mobility

sub was like 100 points ahead of any other melee lol

[vestal wren]

unless you refer to soaking ability

[fast nacelle]

sustain = utility

[vestal wren]

where rogue is op

[fast nacelle]

we were in everything #1-#2 melee

so obviously we were broken as fuck lol

[vestal wren]

sub had not the highest aoe damage

[fast nacelle]

doesnt matter if arms did more dmg

[vestal wren]

sub had not the highest st damage

it was just that it had the soaking ability while beeing high tuned in st

[fast nacelle]

u were really close for ST

[lone junco]

@fast nacelle did anyone elses warriors just die like bitches in progress? I love rogues cause, you gotta play edgy and dumb to die.

[fast nacelle]

especially since many fights werent pure ST

but add which buffed your ST

sustain aoe with bracer cof was also stupid lol

• cloak

2 shs

[turbid harbor]

100% shadow blades uptime btw

[fast nacelle]

feint

yes

even if we would have been #3-4 in half of categories

[lone junco]

i mean. host was sub god.

[fast nacelle]

it would have been too strong overall

[turbid harbor]

sub was god on every fight

[fast nacelle]

with all these add fights

[vestal wren]

the raid design favoured sub

[turbid harbor]

but super saiyan on mistress and host

[fast nacelle]

where you penetrate mistress like its her prom

[vestal wren]

just look at statistics from the raid

you where not #1

[turbid harbor]

Not by the end of it

[vestal wren]

you can select patch

[turbid harbor]

But who cares at the end

[vestal wren]

7.2.5 vs. 7.3

[fast nacelle]

you werent #1 in any dmg aspect

but you were #1 melee by far

with only arms coming close cause of the dmg train

[vestal wren]

no arms was

[turbid harbor]

We were slightly weaker than arms on patchwerk

[spare cloud]

@lone junco Yes I died in progress all the time

[turbid harbor]

Like 2%

[fast nacelle]

you didnt kill mistress with 5 arms

nor avatar

nor kj

sorry

[lone junco]

dfa on kj was nice.

[vestal wren]

BECAUSE arms had no feint or cloak

[fast nacelle]

yes

[vestal wren]

if he had

[fast nacelle]

so that doesnt matter?

😄

[vestal wren]

you would have only seen arms

[fast nacelle]

if he had his dmg would have been tuned

[vestal wren]

🤷

[fast nacelle]

but we do so why should we compete with arms in dmg

when we come close enough while also being 99% the wincondition for first kills