assassination

[lone junco]

I did get booted from a lfr for tricks pulling a tank on coven. they stood around discussing strats for like 6 mins.

/giphy kill me

[spare cloud]

wod looks good though

https://gyazo.com/f7cbcf9a11557ba9571d75fe1d180f82

[shrewd oriole]

cant buy 2 transfers back to back

cringer

[spare cloud]

You need to wait 2 days

to transfer same character

[shrewd oriole]

not same char

different char

wod looks almost good for me

I didnt really play rogue in HM cuz it sucked

[spare cloud]

Yeah my link was from warrior

[shrewd oriole]

well

[spare cloud]

I started progressraiding in wod

[shrewd oriole]

my shammy has is gone after HM

so

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/zQIJq/e81997ea41.jpg

im gonna enjoy it while it lasts

[shrewd oriole]

[lone junco]

standard poison, shoulder bracer?

[spare cloud]

pulling the musclebrah

but doesnt get insulted for it

because nice guy

[jovial kite]

what was ur worldrank

[spare cloud]

see

[marble hemlock]

yeah that was with poison

havent gotten around to trying exsang in upper yet, but were pretty happy with the run so were not gonna go there for a bit

[lone junco]

sure.

i doubt it is much better.

[marble hemlock]

probably not

[spare cloud]

But bleed gear could be pretty sick

[lone junco]

the rip is not absurdly op compared

[marble hemlock]

its actually quite hard to get good versa gear on the TR

[spare cloud]

since you can get so many highlvl items for free

Oh

can you get 2pc?

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[spare cloud]

t20 2pc

I mean ofc

[lone junco]

you could run 4p21. 55/120

[marble hemlock]

probably better to stick to shoulders though, atleast for 2 of the 4 bosses

[shrewd oriole]

ok guys you get to help me decide

[lone junco]

garrote is nothing damage wise

could exang as shoulder bracer

fights are so short

[shrewd oriole]

should I publicize all the logs from my previous guild to keep my good ranks

or should I keep them private like they want to

🤔

[spare cloud]

Wait did you change guild

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

[lone junco]

up to you. i doubt anyone cares.

[shrewd oriole]

I said that like 15 messages ago

[lone junco]

raiding hunter now?

[spare cloud]

I didnt read

Which guild did you join

[marble hemlock]

never understood why you wouldnt have your logs public

[warm parcel]

https://i.imgur.com/EyqWSKc.png

[spare cloud]

I understand for top guilds

[shrewd oriole]

so I can 💪🏿 in this chat

[warm parcel]

r8 my loot

[jovial kite]

probably not even enjoying the game

[shrewd oriole]

that's about it seliathan

[jovial kite]

[shrewd oriole]

@warm parcel 0/10 no mastery

[jovial kite]

@warm parcel

[marble hemlock]

like, people are still going to see what they wouldve ranked at if logs were public, so they still play shitty if it means they can do more dps

[lone junco]

@warm parcel not weak. good loot

[shrewd oriole]

oooh

[warm parcel]

👌

[shrewd oriole]

I reaad that wrong seli

sorry

yeah exactly I agree

I still whore even if logs are private

Dont think I'm gonna make them public

[lone junco]

I bet you could work up a 40sec shoulder bracer exsang.

[shrewd oriole]

it would absolutely burn the bridge with these people

and I can just get them again

🤷🏿

[spare cloud]

Which guild did you join

[shrewd oriole]

any hungry

[marble hemlock]

exsang could be nice, definitely

[spare cloud]

why

[lone junco]

esp if the fight is about 50 -60

[marble hemlock]

i dont think its gonna make a big difference though, and im not used to the playstyle at all

[shrewd oriole]

cuz a) it's a better guild b) I have more fun raiding with tyler (ex-gm) than i ever did playing this game

[lone junco]

yeah.

[shrewd oriole]

I only didnt initially join when they formed super late into the tier cuz they raided 3 days

but pull 10 is going 3 days anyways so I might as well

🤷🏿

[fervent beacon]

Burn the bridge

[lone junco]

3d bleh.

[shrewd oriole]

naamean

[warm parcel]

Its for my mage

so its bis

Rogue in 2k18

[shrewd oriole]

🤢

[strange python]

not playing affliction in 7.3.5

[manic vigil]

Frost Mage

[strange python]

why even play

[warm parcel]

2 985s on mage now

ez

[shrewd oriole]

fuck man

it's not letting me xfer my alt

😦

[strange python]

realm and faction transfers being 60$ is robbery

[marble hemlock]

its easy money

for blizz

[manic vigil]

we don't say the M word in here tisumi

[solid nova]

Covern Pugs 🙃

[lone junco]

mythic pugs?

[spare cloud]

@gusty kestrel why are you so angry today

You are supposed to spread the love

[manic vigil]

[marble hemlock]

he said it again!

[strange python]

euros are notoriously angry

[solid nova]

Sounds like NA logic

[manic vigil]

testiment of ret...challenged... balancing

[strange python]

the m word is just a better rogue

[manic vigil]

ye

[strange python]

affliction is faceroll and better than rogue in m+ so here i am, a slave to the meta

[zealous dew]

maw 20 in 8.11 😄

[strange python]

who did it?

[zealous dew]

1 Europe
8:11.61
Rentari Tasneran CanexxNnoggahWolfdisco

[marble hemlock]

i like the triple DH run some NA team did

or rather

4dh

because they did it w/o a healer

[strange python]

wait really? lmfao

the maw?

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/zQJxp/86176d4e58.png

[strange python]

hahaha nice

[normal plover]

guys

are rogues still cool

[hoary copper]

Nope

[normal plover]

shit

[keen inlet]

👋

[normal plover]

does anyone have tips on m argus for the last phase

[keen inlet]

dps harder

don't die

and then die

[normal plover]

dont get rage? got it

[keen inlet]

but don't die
but also die

[normal plover]

and then die

[fervent beacon]

I don't think Don even killed argus on heroic

[normal plover]

ouch

[keen inlet]

I haven't lol

I am truly garbage casual this tier

[normal plover]

we have had a few sub 5% wipes

[keen inlet]

could've joined my friend's pug that clears it weekly

[fervent beacon]

Are you running boots/bracers?

[keen inlet]

but kitchen reno

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[normal plover]

I am running boots/bracers

and potting 4 times

I get triggered getting rage in last phase, especially the second where you have to dodge the blades with it

[fervent beacon]

I'm trying to tell my other rogues to run boots/bracers instead of bracers/mantle for progress stake

[steep obsidian]

to vanish the chains?

[keen inlet]

for progress

that's cute

[normal plover]

I ran shoulders when progressing on first phase

[keen inlet]

BUT MUH PARSES
BUT MUH LOGS
MUH SIMS

[fervent beacon]

We're wiping on mythic agg atm.

Mythic agg gets me all

[keen inlet]

"boss not dead = doesn't matter"

[steep obsidian]

i want to stab idiots who care about parses on first kills

[normal plover]

on 400 wipe bosses, by that time who the f cares about parsing

[steep obsidian]

oh i can bet some do

[normal plover]

I want to punch them

[keen inlet]

🙃

[normal plover]

is that too agressive

to be fair I dont punch very hard

[steep obsidian]

then again i even hate it on farm when idiots get all fancy and wipe raid

mahhh parse

then again mistress prog completely broke me

[normal plover]

oh fuck that boss

I will never do that boss again

[steep obsidian]

raiding with idiots who wouldn't stop killing the fucking adds

over and voer

every

pull

i havent raided prog since

[echo estuary]

i stopped hardcore raiding after wotlk, when it was enough for one person out of 25 failing on defile and you had to re xd

[steep obsidian]

hah try doing that with oceanic ping back then, couldnt even use the same strat top guilds did

fun times

[warm parcel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uPkEEG2bAn1GRE3K5CeESZ

Rogue in 2018 ♿

[zealous dew]

1 China
19:32.85
伤心街头 趴的波 放学酱酱最亮蘑菇头毛毛贼

this 24 nl forti

not bad

[steep obsidian]

someone actually pulled off a 4 demonhunter blood dk strat?

for maw

thats actually pretty funny

[lone junco]

once you get into the last part of Helya, you dont really need a healer. so i guess it works.

[steep obsidian]

i guess they can just leech through anything that isnt a 1 shot

for the big puls

[lethal heart]

is that shit allowed

no healer

like do they care that you 4 dps

or no?

[lone junco]

why wouldnt it be? seems risky, but if it works it works

[keen inlet]

I think the mentality is

they're good enough to pull it off

congrats to them

it's not really an exploit at all

not abusing game mechanics or anything

[lone junco]

but neither was full melee on tich,

[keen inlet]

it's just the classic "the best defense is a good offense"

[lone junco]

but people got bannereed for that

[keen inlet]

that's true

[lethal heart]

nah but tichondrius

[lone junco]

dk just doesnt need a healer.

[keen inlet]

i mean blizz hasn't been consistent

[lethal heart]

you skipped an entire mechanic

[marble hemlock]

i was expecting blizzard to put a rule in that you ahve to have a "regular" comp

but they didnt

[lethal heart]

that was their reasoning

[marble hemlock]

so youre free to go 4dps1tank or 2tank3dps

[steep obsidian]

i mean pulling that big with 1 shot mechanics everywhere in maw

[lethal heart]

wait

[lone junco]

we ran 8 melee 2 r 4h at that times.

[lethal heart]

its fucking bursting though

[lone junco]

tich was lolzy

[lethal heart]

monkaS

[steep obsidian]

frags team was doing those pulls and they were having to bop his monk or hed die

[lone junco]

those big cleavers are hard for me to see.

bop makes sense there

[steep obsidian]

the 360 degree hit at the end blows

[lone junco]

dk 4 lock. right?

[steep obsidian]

the other part is easy to dodge

yeh its not top time

[lone junco]

w/e have fun cheesing

[steep obsidian]

but funny they pulled it off

its 4 dh and a blood dk btw im half asleep missed that it in the raider.io leaderboard

i actually get some sleep

[lone junco]

so when picking a comp. is aoe stun the most important thing, or aoe damage, or survival ?

our arcane mage does good damage, but missing dragons breath blows. (i think)

he does 15m trash packs often.

but i kinda hate that he is in melee jumping around.

[marble hemlock]

there goes our good upper run

beat by 3min

by a noheal comp

[lone junco]

noheal upper. would be gross on curator right?

[hoary copper]

Prob would depend on the pack for dps vs stuns?

[marble hemlock]

doesnt matter

if you just blow up sparks

so they dont jump

you dont take damage

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-t9ctG5MZhyyU8

[shrewd oriole]

Oh no

Fuck me

We having the m+ exploit debate again

[lone junco]

i mean that shits not possible on upper tyr right?

[shrewd oriole]

👋

[lone junco]

like a 25 ish

[tough lantern]

how bad is it to waste cp to seal of fate? if i'm already 3/6 cp should i just envenom or mutilate again then envenom?

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole its fine tom. im over it. Embracing the cheese

[shrewd oriole]

Really?

I’m glad

[lone junco]

@tough lantern just dont mut on 4.

[shrewd oriole]

I like the cheese cuz it promotes creativity

[lone junco]

you can mut at 3

[shrewd oriole]

If we just saw monk hunter warlock paladin bdk

Over and over and over

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole as far as good pulling and stuns go. im game. but portals into the tree. no

[shrewd oriole]

[marble hemlock]

not gonna see warlock

its gonna be a monk-fest

[shrewd oriole]

What about skipping on NL btw?

Oh yeah for sure

[marble hemlock]

cause monk is ridiculous

[tough lantern]

i'm running exsang thought with dp and have like 43% crit though w/o tirnket/ shocklight proc

[marble hemlock]

but blizzard doesnt seem to care because "monks have been bad for so long, they can be good once" attitutdes

[tough lantern]

pretty much garranteed to get 3-4 cp out of one mutilate

[lone junco]

we use the skaggle drinks in BRH. for first pull. There is just too much stuff there.

[shrewd oriole]

Is that what invis pot is called

[lone junco]

@tough lantern you can sim it. 3cp rupture is fine, between exangs. but a 3cp env is a loss

and I only exang the 6cp rupture. so mut mut

[tough lantern]

how would i go about simming that?

[hoary copper]

What is blizz's excuse with afflic who has been really good for most the expansion then

[shrewd oriole]

En?

[marble hemlock]

its not wl its op, its shit encounter design in raids

[shrewd oriole]

^

[lone junco]

you can get your profile from the raidbots html, then change the conditions. to >=3

it is a wash

[shrewd oriole]

Afflock isn’t even that good on farm

[lone junco]

if it makes you happy to do an occasional 3cp rupture, then do it.

you need to refresh prior to exang with a 5/6, and then exang with a 6

[marble hemlock]

since almost all bosses have adds that constantly die or other stuff you can multidot on

affli happens to be really good

[shrewd oriole]

Aggramar ver

[marble hemlock]

in m+ its the same with being one of the few classes that can actually adapt to any situation with legendaries/talents, and being able to proc sephuz on pretty much everything

[shrewd oriole]

Btw*

[marble hemlock]

like

you can actually fear explosives

to proc sephuz

thats just dumb

[tough lantern]

yeh i understand the refreshing was just curious bout wasting for envenom

[shrewd oriole]

You can fear p much anything

[lone junco]

noted

[tough lantern]

cause looking at my logs i wasted 25 cp on imonar all form seal of ate

[shrewd oriole]

Look at them on argus tho

[lone junco]

@tough lantern yeah for ME. with high crit. a >=3 cp env is a 0.2% loss

the buff gets short. the pb chance drops. the SoT is weak

just mut again.

[tough lantern]

alright

ty

[lone junco]

but as with anything in the 0.2% range. massive meh

do what makes you happy.

cause nothing matters but pbomb and bota

🧀

[shrewd oriole]

Wait I’ve got a meme for this

Don’t derail the convo

There we go

[tough lantern]

lel

[lone junco]

fun line. 3cp env if ep <0.2

actions.finish+=/envenom,if=talent.elaborate_planning.enabled&combo_points>=3+!talent.exsanguinate.enabled&buff.elaborate_planning.remains<0.2

and this is normal

actions.maintain+=/rupture,if=!talent.exsanguinate.enabled&combo_points>=3&!ticking&mantle_duration=0&target.time_to_die>6

rupture if >=3

if not shoulders window

[timber mauve]

anyone have a cool wa that shows 30% on boss?

[lone junco]

I made one.

just set a trigger for target health <=30

[timber mauve]

good call k

[hoary copper]

I just look at his health for that. I use a time till death timer too so I know if I can possibly squeeze in another vanish in

[timber mauve]

you use time to die?

[lone junco]

Exorsus raid tools has a TTD

my WA for bracer dings, and has a fire icon

[hoary copper]

Yea, it estimates the time until the boss will die. So if I see the percent is like 37% but time to death is 3 minutes I know I can get another in

[acoustic yacht]

just got a 960 ilvl relic that can replace my 945 ilvl relic (it's 5 weapon ilvl upgrade) but I'm losing master of assassin is it worth changing?!

[lone junco]

thats when I hit my potion

[timber mauve]

nice

[hoary copper]

The TTD I use is a spriest WA

@acoustic yacht Sim it. http://www.raidbots.com/simbot/relic

[lone junco]

the secret to sin.

18% bomb boner

[timber mauve]

pb life

[wide bolt]

Got a really high parse on Kin'garoth once cause I got 3 pb's back to back right after vanish on the adds

Never happened again

[sand whale]

like dis

https://i.imgur.com/TKbu0im.png

oh pb

[wide bolt]

Hm not as high as i expected tbh but shows rank 224 🤷

Of course that was heroic Kin and i can't even get 1 PB on some Mythic Agg pulls now 🙃

[timber mauve]

@lone junco anyway to make it only load on a boss? i limited it to instance type but having issues with target type

[lone junco]

PB?

use it on cooldown

[hoary copper]

the 30% I think

[timber mauve]

the 30% wa

sorry

[lone junco]

i set it to in combat

[timber mauve]

i can add a trigger for character type?

[lone junco]

I dont mind it dinging on trash

[timber mauve]

oh

k

[lone junco]

i set a simple "plink" sound

just make sure to set it for Assassin only

[timber mauve]

i found a trigger/untrigger, gonna dig into it

https://vgy.me/dIKBIw.png

[lone junco]

👌

I do simple stuff. but it works for me.

like those bars.

[timber mauve]

ya, i made it have the loud airhorn and glow lol

[lone junco]

KB
EP
Env

[timber mauve]

so having it go off on trash will fuck with me

[lone junco]

DBM uses air horn.

but i get it

I use a crunch sound for 6cps and pistol cock sound for mark 4 death ready

so outlaw is CLICK BOOM CLICK BOOM CLICK BOOM

[timber mauve]

hahaha, no yar in there?

[lone junco]

I might have enjoyed bracers more if there was a sound for the BB consumption

but it was just a bar that dissapeared.

(outlaw)

[timber mauve]

make one for outlaw hands, machine gun lol

[slate harness]

so i just got my first lego rolled the ring that makes mutilate do aoe dmg ik its bad but do i use mutilate over FOK until i get better?

[lone junco]

i think you fok at 3Targets with insig.

i havent used it in cleave in a while though.

[slate harness]

alright thanks

[blazing ocean]

Any tips for sin on M Argus boyes? or rogues in general i guess

[sand whale]

keep hitting the boss!

[indigo cradle]

Ppl still playing this game before BfA?

[timber mauve]

edgy

[lone junco]

@blazing ocean there are quite a few here that have killed Margus. Do you have a log or particular q?

[blazing ocean]

nothing specific, i just meant in general as we've just started progressing him, like using cloaks to drop off blight early or saving etc

not really sure what i'm after, just thought i'd ask and see what i got 😛

[sharp viper]

aggramar dead, finally 10/11 kappa

[gaunt moat]

grats

[shrewd oriole]

gz my dude 😃

[timber mauve]

that wa worked great

[lone junco]

should help you delay your last vanish into bracer

else it is usually a good reminder to hit your last potion.

cause if you havent yet, that is a great time.

[timber mauve]

ya, was able to, good stuff

[dire spoke]

a m a n a k o i

[spare cloud]

Dont die @blazing ocean

unless you have to soak in last phase

then die

[snow crater]

a double bis relic with 0 dps on tier 2 is worthless right?

[plain thistle]

sim it 😄

too many variables, we cant answer that , you should always sim relics

[gilded lark]

Just slam it in

[snow crater]

if only the master of shadows was on teh other side..rip me

[obtuse quest]

hey how many sec reduction gives have master assasin at lv 6?

[manic vigil]

[snow crater]

7 is 52 sec

[lone junco]

7/7 with boots is like 42sec apart. 😃

Dunno what reduction that is.

[rose lichen]

bracers finally dropped from me so i'm switching from sub, anyway to know if i should be running bleed or poison? is one generally better?

[snow crater]

pretty sure poison sims higher

[wise frigate]

Bleed is hard to gear for but some people enjoy it more, play style wise. Poison is generally easier to play /gear for so most people play that.

[manic vigil]

really? no one is gonna say the obvious? no one can think of a way how he could know if he should be running bleed or poison? no takers?

[wise frigate]

Happy.

[manic vigil]

❤

very much so

[spare cloud]

[gilded lark]

If you're properly statted for sub, poison will likely sim higher

[spare cloud]

Broadsides not insulting a guy for answering a question which the answer to is obvious

what is happening today

is it opposite day?

[manic vigil]

ikr

[gilded lark]

Hey, he's swapping from sub. He's punished himself enough playing that spec

[rose lichen]

i shouldn't have used "better" i was asking more or less about the learning curve

[spare cloud]

Yeah you're bad at giving advice go insult people again

[rose lichen]

and not just higher numbers

ive been reading but i thought the point in here was to be able to ask questions from people who play the specs

[spare cloud]

Where poison or bleed depends on your gear. Blood is harder to "master"

most people would say

[gilded lark]

? I was teaching people how to rogue when you were shitting in your warrior diapers

Fuck outta here

[manic vigil]

and there is broadsides

welcome back buddy

[spare cloud]

Yeah I was just saying that to bait the real you out

success

[gilded lark]

Yeah probably not

[spare cloud]

took the bait

[gilded lark]

The backpedal is real

[vapid moth]

Lmap

[gilded lark]

Jov we're not going to be able to tell you what you're going to enjoy playing

Try them both out

[spare cloud]

Yes we are, play poison

[vapid moth]

We all know broad sucks as a rogue.dont mind him

[spare cloud]

Dont torture us with mediocre bleed play

[gilded lark]

Alright xae. How about those green heroic parses

[vapid moth]

I don't have any

[rose lichen]

understandably

[spare cloud]

Happens when you open with mutilate

[normal plover]

Calm down in here

[gilded lark]

"Wah nobody takes me to 15's"

[spare cloud]

all jokes aside, if you dont care about dmg then try both and play what you enjoy

[vapid moth]

19s

[wise frigate]

Real rogues open with Cheap Shot.

[spare cloud]

But if you want to be competetive go poison for now.

[vapid moth]

15s are all done too

[normal plover]

Open with poison bomb

[gilded lark]

It was 15s when you first came here lol

Back when you parsed gray

[vapid moth]

Lmao good times

I've progressed well

[gilded lark]

Now you parse blue so

[normal plover]

Hey guys what about fok

[gilded lark]

Not much better but progress is progress

[vapid moth]

Purple*

[gilded lark]

Not orange in 2018

[vapid moth]

I'd be orange if crit gear fell

[gilded lark]

Blame the gear

[vapid moth]

Hell yeah. Km missing like 5k crit

12% about

[gilded lark]

Do you have like 20% haste or something

[manic vigil]

who cares about gear in a game like wow anyway, right

[rose lichen]

i didnt know my question was gonna cause this xd

[vapid moth]

No vers. On the rings and neck

Also have tier gloves but they 960

[gilded lark]

If we didnt argue we'd explode jov

[rose lichen]

lmao

[vapid moth]

I come here to do to you people what I wish I could do to my family

[gilded lark]

Incest?

You can call me daddy

[vapid moth]

I already do

[gilded lark]

[vapid moth]

What are affixes this week

That's why your name still white @rose lichen

[gilded lark]

Yeah we're the cucks 🤔

Meanwhile asking us what playstyle he should choose this late into a tier

[wise frigate]

Bolster skittish tryran

[gilded lark]

Fucking beta male

[rose lichen]

LOL

[vapid moth]

Ty

[rose lichen]

i said i played sub the entire time nerd

❤

[vapid moth]

Sub is trash

[rose lichen]

it is

i agree

[vapid moth]

Don't bite the hand that feeds

[gilded lark]

There's another 🤔

[vestal wren]

sub is great

[gilded lark]

Played sub entire time, doesn't have all legos

[vestal wren]

tuning is trash

[gilded lark]

Did you actually play tho

Also hi fuu

[rose lichen]

ive raided t21 since second week

no mythic though

[gilded lark]

Ah by entire time you meant entire tier

[rose lichen]

yes

[gilded lark]

Lul

[rose lichen]

sorry for not specifying

[gilded lark]

Lets all take a second to be impressed by his 50 hour work weeks

[vapid moth]

I wish I had a job 🙄

[gilded lark]

You could have just said no

[wise frigate]

Ayy there's the Broadsides I know and love. Wield that

[gilded lark]

Ah good the rants begin

More more more

[hazy iron]

I'm on a 50 to 60 hour work week with family, I still find time to play / raid mythic poggers

[vapid moth]

I love the rogue memes lmao

[manic vigil]

I'm curious... does it take some effort to be a dick or does it come naturally to you, broadsides?

[hazy iron]

Admittedly some 20nhoirs of that is on call

10***

[gilded lark]

Shit i was workin 80 hour weeks for a few months and i still have all legos on a toon

[rose lichen]

im supposed to have all the leggos playing from dec. though?

[vapid moth]

That' level comes from years of not giving a fuck @manic vigil

[gilded lark]

Yes

[vestal wren]

i only raid log, do i play the game right?

[wise frigate]

I'm just bad and even I have all leggos on my rogue.

[gilded lark]

Yes fuu

[vapid moth]

If you played since December you should have all your main spec leggos

[rose lichen]

my main spec was sub

[gilded lark]

He prob has all sub ones

[vapid moth]

Maybe even all the leggos for 2 apecs

[vestal wren]

sub is fine for the current raid

[gilded lark]

Yeah if you dont like wearing current tier 4p

[rose lichen]

i mean im not doing bad playing sub, i wanted to try sin

that's all

[spare cloud]

tbh I spent more than 50 hours a week on uni

[gilded lark]

And uni it's effortless

[spare cloud]

and I still play

during semesters

[hazy iron]

If you're sub, and DfA a rage rebuff onto me through Argus prog, ima stab your fucking eyes out

[rose lichen]

my point was asking "do you really play?" i don't know what that means lol

[vestal wren]

effort depends on the field of study

[gilded lark]

The best part is jov

[vestal wren]

its not effortless in technical directions (mathmatic for example)

[gilded lark]

It was a rhetorical question

[spare cloud]

Yeah.

[lucid carbon]

I work 60h a week 😦

[vapid moth]

The dude that comes on only during raid night and is fine pulling 1mill dps does not really play

[hazy iron]

But kvalm are you 28?

[gilded lark]

I currently work 32 like a lazy sack of shit

But soon ill be back to 80s

[lucid carbon]

Yes

[hazy iron]

👌

[wise frigate]

If she's 28, I'm 28.

[gilded lark]

[vapid moth]

You don't need to work more when you spend all that time on a pole @gilded lark

[wise frigate]

Pimpin ain't easy, but someone's gotta do it.

[manic vigil]

working for a living in 2018. I just lie on my yacht and feel sorry for yall

[gilded lark]

Stripping is a hobby not work

[hazy iron]

Rip

[vapid moth]

@manic vigil you have a yacht and never invited me?

[lucid carbon]

Aah, nothing like closing the curtaints on the yacht and play 10h a day

[manic vigil]

what does that tell ya, xae?

[gilded lark]

10? Rookie numbers

[vapid moth]

That you truly are rich

[lucid carbon]

I like to sit down and grind and look at my Lambo in the garage while i play

[spare cloud]

Uni why havent you invited me to your yacht

I even sent you recommendations for math books

[zealous dew]

w0t w0t

I got humiliated by a moonkin in dht

800k dps more overall

[manic vigil]

shame on you

[zealous dew]

yeah rogue useless class

[manic vigil]

oh as a rogue

gg then

[spare cloud]

Did you play assa?

[zealous dew]

f0king moonkin doing 7m avg on trash packs

of 2-3 mobs because tank pussy

pala tank ofc

worst tank ever

[manic vigil]

🤔 tricks and pull more?

[vapid moth]

I'll have to ask you guys for a tricks macro someday

[manic vigil]

10% dps loss is wayne right? I wanna be a bleedy boi, let's go

[zealous dew]

have you ever played moonkin ?

brainless spec

[manic vigil]

actually no

as a vanilla mage I never wanted to dignify the class by playing it

I tried in wod I think and had no clue wtf was going on so I ditched it and went resto instead 👌

[zealous dew]

resto requires skills, moonkin is like frost mage

1111111111111111111111111111121111111111111111111111111111111111111112

[manic vigil]

frost mage is fun tho

even watching weak is fun

[vestal wren]

many specs in the game are extremely easy to play atm

[strange python]

sub is hard and im bitter

[manic vigil]

ye

I still think so, too

[strange python]

big #s but cba dying to dfa

[zealous dew]

let's see what you have to do as a ranged in dungeons, stand still and nuke

[vestal wren]

even sin is more complex then some other specs

like e.g. havoc

[manic vigil]

idk, personally I feel like ranged is harder sometimes. because movement is so punishing

unless you are a aff in dot mode ofc

[zealous dew]

don't move 😃

[manic vigil]

then you get oneshot by shit 🤷

[zealous dew]

like what

[vestal wren]

ranged usually has abiities to use to allow movement

[manic vigil]

melee feels way more agile and fun idk

[vestal wren]

its actually easier to play then melee

[zealous dew]

ranged is like 10x easier to play than melee in dungeons

[manic vigil]

I thought so too but I disagree. Talking about how I experience it though, ymmv

[zealous dew]

trust me, as a warlock i stand still and nuke

[vestal wren]

also from what i see you will not move away from ranged heavy combs for m+

judging from doungeon design in alpha

[manic vigil]

my wl dies a lot idk ^^

I mean no gear and I'm new to it but my rogue is way easier

[zealous dew]

the only good thing of monk/dh is th stun

[manic vigil]

but ofc I'm used to it and got a lot of practice

[zealous dew]

other than that, 3x ranged ftw

[vestal wren]

atm monk and dh have the 2 raid butts that are intressting on alpha

monk has physical and dh magic damage amp

[faint vale]

Melee is also good for 12s interrupt

[manic vigil]

yeah and that

[vestal wren]

besides dh beeing superior in m+ neverless due to mobility, controll etc.

unless tuned badly ofc

rogues pro is survivability

[zealous dew]

15s

[manic vigil]

troof

[zealous dew]

dh doesn't do monk dmg

[gilded lark]

12s if you're enh but that's it

[vestal wren]

dh is tuned worse

[zealous dew]

enh in m+ 😄

[vestal wren]

and yes monk is atm overtuned

[gilded lark]

Yeah lol

[manic vigil]

enh op af

[gilded lark]

Enh in m+ = floor decoration

[manic vigil]

but those 2s they stay alive! oh boy they go ham

[vestal wren]

iirc monk gameplay is in a good spot

[vapid moth]

So how about that poison bomb rng

Real good right

[zealous dew]

monk is so fun in m+

[vestal wren]

you can play sub 🤷

complain to blizz for tuning it badly

[manic vigil]

I have never even played ww I think. last time I tried monk I ended up healing

[gilded lark]

Ww m+ spin2win

[vestal wren]

ww is fotm

[gilded lark]

Spinning crane kick at 12+ stacks is fucking ridiculous

[manic vigil]

also I don't like the concept of dealing mediocre dmg and having cooldowns to kick ass for a couple seconds. why not have a high pressure dps spec that makes you stay on your toes all the time to not fuck up (like jiggling dots I assume).

would be way better for my attention span

[vestal wren]

rogue brings bad aoe control

what dh/monk do

besides monk doing insane aoe compared

[manic vigil]

st, aoe and control

nice tuning

well we do have survivability on them but aside from that why even bother being a rogue right

[vestal wren]

subs aoe -> st is still great

if you want to exploit that

[manic vigil]

that's true I guess

[vestal wren]

tho i am not sure where they want sub to be

given kind of all things that made sub aoe a bit better get removed or nerfed

sin is atm in a better state in that belong

[dawn kettle]

they still need to make poison bomb a button

imo

[vestal wren]

crimson is nice

so you get better sustained aoe

[vapid moth]

A button with charges. And you build up the charges by getting stacks. A stack for each time you apply your DP

[dawn kettle]

yeah, i kinda just wish they had made it a button with like, 30 energy req and a 2m cd with a lower chance to proc and return the cd

[vestal wren]

i doubt they change pb

[dawn kettle]

5% chance per 5 cp

[vestal wren]

as its a opt in talent now

[gilded lark]

Stack based would be better

More predictable

[vapid moth]

Big mobs = bigger PB chance

[gilded lark]

But blizz wont do that because predictable isnt "fun"

[vestal wren]

the changes to pb are already quite nice

[dawn kettle]

it'd probably have to do less damage than current pb

[vestal wren]

making it usable would mean extremely high cd

or lower damage tuning

[dawn kettle]

oh for sure

[vestal wren]

what none of you have in mind when you talk about that

[dawn kettle]

make it a 2+m cd, keep the damage the same, but reduce the chance to proc

what is it, 2% per cp?

[gilded lark]

Mighty large assumption there fuu

[spare cloud]

Yeah, nobody thinks about that except you

[gilded lark]

I'm well aware the dmg would have to change

[vestal wren]

i could predict #assassination when they make it a decent cd and tune down damage

[gilded lark]

But we weren't talking about that

[vestal wren]

"pb is a joke and hits like a wet noodle"

[dawn kettle]

2m cd probably keeps it around 5% of our damage like it is now for raids, but more useable in dungeons

[gilded lark]

But the pros would outweigh the cons

Rng based is fucking annoying

[vestal wren]

you would give sin a burst aoe

[gilded lark]

Doesnt proc when theres 10 mobs

[vestal wren]

what kind of is subs niche

[gilded lark]

Then when theres a single mob

10 procs

Zzz

[dawn kettle]

sub's burst aoe is a super low cd though

[vestal wren]

well if you want aoe

you can just skill into crimson

🤷

[dawn kettle]

sure you have the chance to proc back to back to back but how often does that happen now with 10%

[gilded lark]

It's not 10%

[dawn kettle]

is it not 2% per cp?

[gilded lark]

No

[vestal wren]

pb atm seems like the best of both worlds talent

works in aoe and st

other 2 talents in the tier are aoe focused

[dawn kettle]

CT is definitely nice, but it feels like i should play more of a bleed build if im gonna pick it

[vestal wren]

(sure you can use hidden blade for st too, but its not a great st talent)

[dawn kettle]

oh 2.5%

either way

how often are you getting 2 or 3 poison bomb procs in a row

[gilded lark]

More often than you'd think

[vapid moth]

1min CD. Every time your dp is applied the CD is reduced by 2 seconds?

[gilded lark]

Less often than i want

2s is a bit

High

[vapid moth]

30 applications lol

[vestal wren]

pb is random 🤷

[gilded lark]

Aoe you'd be slamming that button every 3 seconds

[vestal wren]

so you can have insane procs and be god on the meters

or bad procs and be still good

[dawn kettle]

2m cd with a chance to proc and refund the CD is probably the most blizzard is willing to do IF they were going to do it

[vestal wren]

i doubt they change pb

tbh

[dawn kettle]

they probably wont

[vapid moth]

2min CD is a lot though

[dawn kettle]

but i can dream

it is, but that's without changing the way the damage is

if it's a 1m cd you NEED to lower the amount of damage it does

otherwise its op

and theres noooo fucking way theyll go for that

[vestal wren]

you can align it with other cooldowns

[gilded lark]

Especially if it gives 2s back per dp application lol

[vestal wren]

so you need to lower damage w/e

i doubt they will add a cd refund to sin

[dawn kettle]

if you hold it though, then you run into the problem of wasting procs

[gilded lark]

Thats 4x more than kb gets back

[vestal wren]

thats to similar to sub then

[gilded lark]

I mean they already did lol

Kb

[vestal wren]

KB in alpha 🤔

[dawn kettle]

does sub have a cd refund?

its been so long i cant remember

[gilded lark]

Thinking alpha matters 🤔

[vestal wren]

shd + sod

sod only with current tier

[gilded lark]

Shits gonna change anyway

I strive every day to be half as condescending as fuu

[vapid moth]

Wut

Aren't you already?

[gilded lark]

That means so much to me for you to say that

[dawn kettle]

someone help me

im special

whats ep

[vapid moth]

What about a 2min CD with charges

[dawn kettle]

im gonna feel fucking dumb for asking

but i cant figure it out

[vapid moth]

Elaborate planning

A talent

[dawn kettle]

wait

people take that?

[vapid moth]

Yes

Popular in the bleed and alacrity builds

[dawn kettle]

oh is that bleed build?

well thats why i dont know it

[vapid moth]

But

But your name is red

[dawn kettle]

i like the color

shh

[vapid moth]

Lmao

[gilded lark]

Prob plays outlaw

[dawn kettle]

definitely play sin

[gilded lark]

Doesnt know pb proc chance, what ep is

🤔

[dawn kettle]

i mean i was close

.5% off

[gilded lark]

Per cp

[dawn kettle]

yeah

[gilded lark]

That's 20% off

[spare cloud]

quick maffs

[dawn kettle]

anyway

[spare cloud]

Pulling the xaethron I see

[vapid moth]

Woah

What's that mean

[dire spoke]

[gilded lark]

You know what it means

[spare cloud]

from today on it could also be the musclebrah

tbh

[gilded lark]

What did he do now

[dawn kettle]

the only way blizzard would probably change PB >IF< they were going to would be to put a long cd on it and make it reset cd on like a 5% chance at 5cp. atleast that's what i would hope they would do

[vapid moth]

Lmao

[spare cloud]

He postet a screen of his sub 9 minute maw

[vapid moth]

I don't like that

[spare cloud]

and then people started trolling him

[gilded lark]

Hoping for more rng

[spare cloud]

and he pulled a xaethron

[robust light]

yo guys, tryna clear up some mage tower challeneges on offspecs atm. ive done sub and sin, but the npc isnt giving me a quest for outlaw. why?

[gilded lark]

He posted it here? Wtf did he expect?

[dire spoke]

What do you mean If they Change PB? It's a talent

[humble crane]

They are already changing it?

[gilded lark]

Hey this isnt outlaw channel

[dawn kettle]

you have to have a certain number of levels in your artifact before that quest will show up

[spare cloud]

Is the magetower up?

[dawn kettle]

i dont know what that number is anymore

[vestal wren]

@gilded lark write sth

[dawn kettle]

i thought you had to have 1pt concordance

[vapid moth]

We are discussing how we want PB to be in BfA

[gilded lark]

Who the fuck turned me yellow

[humble crane]

Yeah like zempai said. It's a talent. Tested it on alpha and I like it

[gilded lark]

Mod abuse

[humble crane]

Zempai*

[gilded lark]

First mods randomly changing my name

Now my colour

[vapid moth]

Broad plays outlaw confirmed

Spit on him bruddas

[gilded lark]

Green lives matter

[vestal wren]

you seemed suprised to be not in outlaw

[dawn kettle]

i dont have alpha, so i havent had a chance to test anything, so pb could quite possibly be fine in it's alpha state

[gilded lark]

Fuu is racist

[vestal wren]

😉

[vapid moth]

Hey

Hey hey

[dawn kettle]

without having tested it all i can do is express what i would like to see them do with it

[gilded lark]

Yeah because he asked a question about outlaw

[spare cloud]

I like how everyone ignores xaethron by default now

except me

😭

[vestal wren]

btw. dont troll in #sub, thanks

[gilded lark]

Tbh im halfway there with you toph

[vapid moth]

We made a rainbow

[spare cloud]

well I can only recommend it

[gilded lark]

Asking how to play sub is now trolling in sub channel

Nice

[dire spoke]

@dawn kettle you don't need alpha to know what they do to spells

[dawn kettle]

i know

[safe matrix]

But trolling in sub is like 60% of what I do

The other 40% is trolling in assassination

[gilded lark]

Maybe i should ask how to play assassination in the sub channel

[vestal wren]

if you actually wanted help i would agree

[safe matrix]

Have you tried checking icy veins?

[gilded lark]

Who says i dont

[spare cloud]

Its not about wanting help

its about needing help

[safe matrix]

And he definitely needs it

[spare cloud]

and most of the people here definetly need help.

[gilded lark]

Its about who i want that help from

[vestal wren]

mean

you dont want help from me

[safe matrix]

^

[gilded lark]

The truth has set you free

[zealous dew]

I need help to ditch my friend with benefits

[spare cloud]

Who does

you lowkey flame everyone

[gilded lark]

Stick it in her butt

Ez

[zealous dew]

i like her as a friend only 😦

[spare cloud]

with the occasional benefit

[gilded lark]

Gay?

[zealous dew]

bored

[spare cloud]

Tell her she turned you gay

[safe matrix]

^

[gilded lark]

Lmao

Thats some soul crushing shit

[zealous dew]

hahah true

good advice

[safe matrix]

Then fuck some dude so you REALLY have an alibi

[zealous dew]

no thx

[gilded lark]

[spare cloud]

Youre speaking with virgins only here

what do you expect

actual help?

[gilded lark]

I have a kid

Where's your proof

[spare cloud]

Poor kid

probably gets beaten up by you daily

[zealous dew]

godd don't talk about kids pls

[gilded lark]

Lul

Gotta toughen them up somehow toph

[safe matrix]

Nah, if you take his dps into consider he doesn't beat anyone tbh

[gilded lark]

Last time i rogued i beat everyone in my raid 🤔

[safe matrix]

This is a safe place

You don't have to lie here

[spare cloud]

were you farming firelands?

[gilded lark]

Mythic nh

[spare cloud]

can't blame you though, the transmog looks sick

[gilded lark]

It was a better time

When ap scaled us to domination

And you never had to swap to adds

Oh wait you never played rogue then

[spare cloud]

Yeah because warrior outperformed rogue on every boss

[gilded lark]

?

No

DoS outperformed rogue on most bosses

Warr was shit without it lul

[hybrid laurel]

I just got the soul of the shadowblade from an enemy. is it better or worse than insignia of ravenholt?

[gilded lark]

Worse

[spare cloud]

🤔

[supple hearth]

Worse

[spare cloud]

Actually rogue i think outlaw dmg was pretty sick

just useless during progress

[gilded lark]

Pretty shit without 6 rolls

[spare cloud]

Yeah like I said

useless during progress because unreliable

[vapid moth]

I have 4 kids

[gilded lark]

I pray for the future of humanity

4 more little xaethrons

[spare cloud]

the only 5 people that will ever be blocked

on my lists

[gilded lark]

The four horsemen of the apocalypse

[dire spoke]

[vapid moth]

Everyone says that :/. If my kids turned out horrible I'd legit kill myself and blame them in the death note cause it'd mean people were right

[spare cloud]

Our monk was r10 overall dps in nh mythic

he was pretty good

I just saw

[shrewd oriole]

server or world

[spare cloud]

world

[vapid moth]

Implying I'd be a bad dad

[spare cloud]

and not monk only

[shrewd oriole]

damn

nice

[spare cloud]

allstar dps

[shrewd oriole]

but I mean

monk in NH

you wanna see top 10 dps rn

it's like

sub rogue

surv hunter

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/61b6aeffbe47c6ace618ea7e959d0f11

[shrewd oriole]

the good players of the shit specs

uh dk

[spare cloud]

was good in nh

[shrewd oriole]

what

frost was

so much better

[spare cloud]

I'm a liar then I guess

I think out dk played unholy

xD

[shrewd oriole]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/11#class=DeathKnight

[gilded lark]

Frost was better because of t19 and helm memes

[spare cloud]

Oh actually

yeah

[strange python]

uh was only good in nh if you had bracers iirc

[spare cloud]

Just checked

I lied

[gilded lark]

Breath of sindy

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

UH was meme spec

[strange python]

kinda like feral

[gilded lark]

And helm big dick howling blasts

[strange python]

at the time

[gilded lark]

I had helm/ring in nh but mained rogue instead

[strange python]

how am i doing stat wise

[shrewd oriole]

do you see the correlation

[spare cloud]

Yeah I lied

I'm sorry

[shrewd oriole]

shit specs

good all star rank

[spare cloud]

Ofc

[strange python]

40/198 thats thicc as hell

where is your boots/bracers

im simming higher bracers and shoulders should i try boots?

nvm then

[spare cloud]

🤔

[dire spoke]

why don't you just try

[vapid moth]

Try the meme builds

[spare cloud]

im simming higher bracers and shoulders should i try boots?

[gilded lark]

Try not listening to the red name

[spare cloud]

You are simming higher with bracers shoulders

why would you try smth else then?

if it sims lower

[shrewd oriole]

amen

[gilded lark]

Because prog is over

[spare cloud]

No.