We take things very "serious" here.
#assassination
civic palm
pseudo ore
I'm okay with getting memed
manic vigil
are vampires real? 
pseudo ore
it makes me feel loved
manic vigil
nerd
pseudo ore
are you a girl or a really emo guy
civic palm
No I am a troll.
vapid moth
So whats this FoK shit I keep hearing about?
marble hemlock
@pseudo ore whats the difference?
marble hemlock
i better not delve deeper into that topic again, just had a lengthy discussion on it with my m+ grp last week
civic palm
not someone that exists only in black and white and gets exclusively bad haircuts.
pseudo ore
***[ T R I G G E R E D ] ***
manic vigil
a lengthy discussion about what? if traps are gay, seliathan?
civic palm
Are you a girl or a trap?
What r difference?
You attracted or not?
Done.
Conversation complete.
shrewd oriole
Traps are gay
civic palm
They might be.
pseudo ore
but if a traps likes girls he isn't gay
civic palm
Traps go both ways.
manic vigil
?
civic palm
This is potentially very confusing.
pseudo ore
i go both ways too so I mean ¯_(ツ)_/¯
civic palm
I am looking to have fun, not fit into some fucking box.
manic vigil
I like you tbh
civic palm
🗡
civic palm
pseudo ore
NUT
pseudo ore
I would stab multiple times in quick succession and then the last time go in fast and out slow and then the last time in slow and out slow
safe matrix
So what you're saying is you'd stab twice and be done?
pseudo ore
no?
safe matrix
I need better thinking emotes
marble hemlock
pretty much
civic palm
warm parcel
pseudo ore
scott pilgrim is great
marble hemlock
wow
that rogue with the rotation-helper question earlier is just spamming me and trying to insult me in private messages now 😄
civic palm
short token
speaking of rotation lol i just walked in with a question
civic palm
uhhuh
short token
in the opener, do we want to wait to use toxic blade until KB has 9 seconds left? or do we open with kb+tb
civic palm
What's the guide say?
short token
i'm seeing a lot of places say both
civic palm
Yeah but what's the guide say?
topaz axle
spam all your shit in opneer
TB+crit window will be better than last 9 sec of KB
or instead of listening to me you could read the guide
short token
listen, i main a druid, questionably epic is sometimes outdated, i just want to be sure and appreciate the repsonse
*response
marble hemlock
were not some filthy nature lovers
topaz axle
we're nature abusers
marble hemlock
so you can trust our pins
short token
well, i main a rogue, main'd the druid this expac
so now i'm basking in my rogue the last months before the expac
lone junco
@short token
marble hemlock
whatever the guide says can be taken as thoroughly thought out with plenty of evidence to support it
it may not be the entire truth, but its certainly not wrong information
lone junco
def enough to get you to a 95% orange by ilvl
if you have the dps legendaries and 4p21
marble hemlock
for certain setups there may be changes to what the guide is suggesting, both in gearing aswell as rotiational habits
short token
thanks, damn that rotation is complicated after the opener o.O
lone junco
@short token ok break it down
civic palm
12121212121212121212121212
lone junco
5cp for rupture
garrote mut rupture
then tb kb
then vanish env mut env mut env
for 3 env in shoulder
short token
k
lone junco
after that is standard rotational things, env uptime for the remainder of the kb
if you dont have shoulders, this is similar, but not necessarily perfect for you
but a great start
and the "opener" extends to the 3rd env in shoulder. at t=10
sharp viper
what do you mean 3 cp for rupture? that is the shoulder opener you get 5 cp rupture at the start
lone junco
@short token and dont bother delaying tb for kb. the guide will tell you to use on cd, unless the cd comes available during the kb. then you can delay a few sec. but should be tb kb if they are both up.
short token
yeah i'm reading it now, it says to wait for tb for vendetta, but doesn't say how long to wait, is there a particular time where it becomes a damage loss?
lone junco
hold vanish for vendetta
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
thats the guide right?
short token
yeah i'm reading the rotation part
civic palm
I'd like to orange parse on Mythic but I need the rest of my raid to remove 3 minutes from the fucking kill time.
Get through the rest of it.
Answers are mostly all there.
short token
" Use Toxic Blade either the last 8 seconds of Kingsbane duration or on cooldown. Do not delay your Toxic Blade more than 5 seconds waiting for Kingsbane. If Vendetta is coming up you can delay as well." - it doesn't say how long to delay it before it becomes a dps loss...
5 seconds still?
civic palm
Sure
strange python
Guys, without deeper stratagem, do you envenom on 4 CP or do you waste 1 CP with mutilate and then envenom on 5?
civic palm
If you MUT @ 4CP you waste 1-3CP, finishers @ 4CP is the norm
strange python
So 4 CP finisher > mut for 5
civic palm
Yeah don't MUT @ 4CP.
vapid moth
sigh I haven’t been in the game for a week now
strange python
Ty <3
void gulch
Any reason why the pantheon proc is so shitty for assa rogues compared to other melee agi classes? I'ts doing around .7% of my dmg while it's doing like 5% for a feral druid
plain thistle
@marble hemlock since like ToV or NH, cant remember
lone junco
@marble hemlock did you see my sims that a >=3cp rupture was a gain
marble hemlock
nope
lone junco
Most all those rules are env.
lone junco
It prob depends on high Mut crit.
Completely insignificant gain. But it's good to know. If you follow up with env for the sot. No harm.
plain thistle
@void gulch because it scale with haste, and we dont use haste at all 😄
civic palm
12% as OTL, 3% as SIN, noice.
safe matrix
I mean it makes sense
rupture does the same damage per tick regardless of points
it just lasts longer
lone junco
Sot and pbomb matter. But if you need to 3cp to keep from dropping rupture, do it.
Then plan better next time.
dire spoke
@solid nova fuck you
plain thistle
🤔
visual bane
Are there any in depth guides on how to play sin on higher m+? I seem to be struggling to deal dmg if I dont get pbombs. I ve tried saving up CP from previous packs so I can open with envenom and therefore get poisons on all of my targets asap, but my dps is still low. So any tips would be appreciated
dire spoke
No
manic vigil
why are you so grumpy zempai
dire spoke
I'm not 
Richard was just memeing about me
giggle typing. and now it stopped 
bleak adder
@visual bane what levels are youdoing?
dry bone
is Golganneth's Vitality better than Amanthul's?
plain thistle
yes
bleak adder
sim it
plain thistle
agi pantheon is better than pantheon
dry bone
@bleak adder i boosted a rogue a week ago and got Amanthul's and Golganneth's Vitality on first kill and wondering if i should start leveling Golganneth's Vitality or just chill with the 1000 Amanthul's
bleak adder
level the golganneth
use amanthuls for now
dont know at what point golganneth is better
dry bone
ye got ya thanks
bleak adder
but you are a lucky fuck
dry bone
i know my guild which was boosting me through heroic was so salty
also on the same day I got 985 shadow relic from weekly
xD
not as lucky on main
dry bone
yeah it was crazy my guild hated me for a min xD
manic vigil
go go power rangers!
celest fable
HOLY SHIT DISPATCH IS BACK, SOMEONE TELL ME IF IT NOT SHIT
visual bane
@bleak adder 18/19/20. Sorry I didnt reply earlier I was afk
bleak adder
@visual bane I wouldnt really look at other classes for there aoe dmg numbers on high keys we are mainly there for st but I would recommend getting ruptures on everything you can then tunnel a high prio add
bleak adder
prob in pugs but I have a team
grim canopy
SIgh
bleak adder
never had it happen to me tho
bleak adder
everyone just looks at score
marble hemlock
m+ gameplay depends a lot on the keylevel
dire spoke
How would they see that in queue?
marble hemlock
most people actually inspect at the dungeon entrance nowadays
and dump you if you arent sub
grim canopy
shit game design i can't even go sub cause no aoe trinket
marble hemlock
anyway
marble hemlock
general playstyle should look something like this: 1-4 targets, rupture all, keep envenom up between ruptures
bleak adder
everyone in my team tells me to go sub aswell
I tell them to fuck off and look at the meters
marble hemlock
5-8targets, keep up 2-3 ruptures to sustain energy, keep up envenom buff 100% of the time (and therefore keep up t21 4pc)
grim canopy
ive been first in dmg every gruop so far but i havn't joined any elite grup yet
marble hemlock
8+ just keep up 1-2 ruptures, keep up envenom buff 100%, and spam fok even if you overcap cp
you could spam envenom to fish for poisonbombs, but i prefer the consistent fok/pk/instant poison damage over a bomb that may or may not proc
dire spoke
There is no reason to discuss completely situational speccing
you have keys, affixes, lineups and specs
how could anyone say X is better then
bleak adder
in high keys for pugs you just needs to get the best classes and scores
like no one wants priests for keys
they fucking suck
grim canopy
lol
marble hemlock
holy or shadow? cauve i have done 25+ with holypriest and it wasnt bad
its just not as good as rdruid/hpal
marble hemlock
because fishing for the best comp
isnt going to be as helpful once you start pushing really high
than building a grp that has actual synergy and gets along well
dire spoke
oh look, situational
grim canopy
but that only matter 20+ right
dire spoke
crazy
marble hemlock
id say at 25+
bleak adder
my group is blood dk rdruid mm hunter afli lock assas rogue
grim canopy
if u went sub how much faster would you finish
bleak adder
fuck sub
marble hemlock
in that specific comp
grim canopy
i trid sub it so clunky wtf
marble hemlock
its less about assa vs sub and more about assa+affli+mm vs sub+affli+mm
dire spoke
marble hemlock
affli and mm both benefit from having big pulls and utilizing priority target damage
so does sub
bleak adder
I mean my sub is geared
marble hemlock
so at high keys you will want to pull trash into bosses to boost singletarget
bleak adder
but my assas is very optimized
marble hemlock
also zempai, noones forcing you to read if you dont think this conversation is helpful to anyone (because some people clearly seem to disagree)
well, optimized assa for m+ kind of requires triple poison knives relics
marble hemlock
yes
bleak adder
right now im only pushing like 20-23 but still doing fine
vapid moth
I've yet to see that luckily
dire spoke
yeah, closing this window for an hour 
grim canopy
yes i got 2 boots today
bleak adder
out damaging the lock and mm sometimes
grim canopy
but i bet out i would haveoutdmged them all
marble hemlock
rogue right now just isnt in a very good spot overall when it comes to m+
at least when competing with people who really know how to utilize their class in m+
grim canopy
well least we aint somthing like spriest or arms warr
marble hemlock
people will bring a rogue for the utility, survivabilit and the fact that we seldom have to equip prydaz+20% avoidance gear, giving up quite a bit of dps in the process, like a lot of other people have to do in higher keys
those are the things were good at compared to other classes, so thats what you should focus on
grim canopy
i still do good overall dmg and cain't die
marble hemlock
almost every group can afford one dps that has shitty survivability
thanks to externals+ishkars
bleak adder
fuck some bosses on tyran
marble hemlock
so they need two dps that are durable, which is where rogue comes into play
if they take a rogue for dps, theyre doing something wrong
bleak adder
making me waste globals on feint
marble hemlock
monk, mm, boomy, and affli are just so much better right now, its not even funny
be happy youre playing assa
having to feint as a subrogue is horrendous
marble hemlock
sub isnt that good right now
due to having to run around with old 2pc and old trinkets
grim canopy
yeah thats lame AF
marble hemlock
its also fairly complex to play compared to almost all the other specs, and when you fuck up your cds in m+ its going to cost you dearly
assa is a bit easier, though i do think assa in m+ is a lot harder to play well than assa in raid
marble hemlock
but thats mostly due to melee just being hard to play in m+ in general
marble hemlock
well, the rotation isnt hard
grim canopy
i farmed all the sub leggos, then relics, then some dude tell me here i need that stupid trinket and t20 im like screw that
marble hemlock
even as assa, you have to do a bit more managing of debuffs on different targets, but its not that hard. doing it while constantly pressured to avoid cleaves, whirlwinds, interrupt etc. when fucking up any one of those will kill you or someone else in the grp however is a different beast entirely
fervent beacon
Well if you're pushing high keys, then you do need to have certain setup
Musclebrah have like 8 sets for his MDI runs
marble hemlock
i think i have 14 right now as assa
grim canopy
But i dont gotta do titanforged praying
marble hemlock
most of them very situational obviously
well, as sub you kinda have to run t20 2pc, even if theyre not titanforged
which will make you lose out on stats, which limits your true potential
ded class
manic vigil
marble hemlock
^^
keen inlet
I laffed.
mellow pasture
manic vigil
I don't get it 🤷
manic vigil
dire spoke
dire spoke
it's okay, you're german
manic vigil
slim estuary
id like to see some rogue alpha play too\
keen inlet
I'm on Alpha
But yeah. Pretty repetitive to watch me do quests and the same three dungeons
vapid moth
I don't get why you would want to watch alpha and spoil the beginning of the expansion for yourself when you could just wait 5 or so months.
Or wait for your own alpha invite
gilded lark
ruin all that exciting levelling content
vast forum
waiting for alpha invite like it's guaranteed to come
gilded lark
vast forum
half my guild that struggles to parse purple on hc has alpha, meanwhile, i'm just sitting in my corner crying
dire spoke
I don't like quests 
I don't like storytelling I don't like player interaction still pay for RPG
vast forum
same @gilded lark i only had legion beta cuz i won a wowhead giveaway like 2 months before the expac released
gilded lark
normally just get beta invites, no alpha for broadsides
but at this point i wouldn't play it anyway so no loss
vast forum
i only want alpha because it guarantees i get beta access
vapid moth
When you start the game a year before the end of the latest xpac you simply don't expect an invite
What's the difference between alpha and beta
gilded lark
less bugs
dire spoke
❤ ❤ ❤ @prime void ❤ ❤ ❤
prime void
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sdfg
sfg
sd
rough lily
@mellow pasture yes.
I've been playing since vanilla and ive never gotten and invite for any beta or alpha. Fuckin weak as hell.
gilded lark
sucks to suck
gilded lark
there is if you have nitro
or decent global servers
then again the only one i have right now is the saber version
gilded lark
nice parse
prime void
lul
gilded lark
gz tho
prime void
trying to parse on first kill
gilded lark
prime void
do I look like a fucking ape
gilded lark
do you want me to answer that honestly
fervent beacon
Yes
gilded lark
🐵
lone junco
@prime void grats. and wow you have a lot of sockets
lone junco
some do.
fervent beacon
My guild is too lazy to carry + for $$$
lone junco
ive heard 40k per. so 160k for a 15 carry
grim canopy
i guess with high enough ilvl any class can do a 15 carr
prime void
I make close to 600-800k a week carrying
grim canopy
nice
hazy iron
It's not like 15's are hard anymore
grim canopy
okay awesome
hazy iron
You can meme the shit out of it and still 3 chest
grim canopy
lol
fervent beacon
I been memein with alacrity
grim canopy
why?
hazy iron
What's your crit and mastery like?
manic vigil
grim canopy
dang i gonnna try that
manic vigil
I love boots bracers but in m+?
gilded lark
no wonder you die on normal kin garoth
manic vigil
Maybe if you chain pull the whole instance with a bunch of dotters
fervent beacon
you also forgot foe breaker too
My pro skill with DfA right into the foe breaker.
gilded lark
yeah nice timing
fervent beacon
But I just basically keep my cds on cds and just spam garotte, rupture spread and fok
manic vigil
Hey, Canadians are supposed to be nice. My stereotypes 
gilded lark
no wonder you only do 2.3
fervent beacon
the energy regen with haste will allows me to fok even more and maintaining env buff uptime on trash
gilded lark
fuck your stereotype
manic vigil
grim canopy
intoresting
manic vigil
Savage broadsides 
jovial kite
grim canopy
it seems in alpha they nerfed all skill dmg % a lot but fok stayed same..hmmm
gilded lark
yeah they're helping aoe a little bit
grim canopy
but i think hidden blades still looks a gay
gilded lark
@gaunt moat ban
strange python
Maintank left in my main guild, ill never kill argus 😦
gilded lark
it's okay, you wouldn't if he stayed
steep obsidian
i mean
they will nerf it
if you actually cbf and keep raiding
you will kill it
manic vigil
Do you want to talk broadsides? You seem particularly mean today
You can always talk to me, this is a safe zone
gilded lark
no
manic vigil
fervent beacon
He just probably didn't get his double double at tim horton
manic vigil
I don't know what that is but I'm pretty sure I want one
jovial kite
Wtf is a horton double double
fervent beacon
You ain't missing much tbh, tim horton is in the toilet now
gilded lark
yeah it used to be a lot better
gilded lark
mcdicks bought all their plantations
manic vigil
Calm down buddy
gilded lark
feelsbad
jovial kite
Some shit 
burger?
gilded lark
uncultured swine
fervent beacon
At least Mcdicks make better coffee and buy 7, get 8 for free is decent deal too
manic vigil
gilded lark
it's not even a burger
you can't even buy burgers there
fuck off back to your kale or whatever you eurofegs eat
jovial kite
Double double sounds like heart attack
manic vigil
Wow
jovial kite
oohhh
steep obsidian
how can you drink that
gilded lark
?
jovial kite
heart attack it is
steep obsidian
that not coffee that is like a milkshake
gilded lark
it's a fairly massive cup
manic vigil
I'm European and I like me a burger
steep obsidian
im not weird in that i can only drink coffee black right?
like thats not a rare thing?
jovial kite
no
steep obsidian
k
jovial kite
i mean, no wonder you think that when you drink shittier na coffee with double sugar 
Good coffee doesnt need sugar
steep obsidian
^
jovial kite
🤦
gilded lark
slagg making a lot of assumptions today
manic vigil
Let the man have sugar in his coffee
jovial kite
its assumption tuesday
steep obsidian
i mean i get why youd want it
manic vigil
Rude
jovial kite
soon youll have hyper triple
steep obsidian
i get my sugar from other sources then my coffee
jovial kite
3x sugar 3x cream 3x butter
gilded lark
disgusting
jovial kite
And whipped cream
gilded lark
but there are people that get triple triples
steep obsidian
butter in coffee?
jovial kite
gilded lark
not knowing jack shit about other countries
manic vigil
Why are we judging people because of their choice of beverage 
gilded lark
must be europe
steep obsidian
fried butter
strange python
bagged milk etc etc
gilded lark
bagged milk is fucking weird
strange python
i agree
jovial kite
only good thing to come out of na is capri sun
strange python
i saw some in windsor when i went to visit a friend
gilded lark
only good thing to come from europe is
oh wait 2 world wars
cancels it all out
sry
strange python
practicality of it all was a bit shoddy
gilded lark
yeah ontario is a mess
manic vigil
EU vs NA war really?
jovial kite
yes
calm grail
We all know who would win that
jovial kite
Its assumption tuesday
manic vigil
Two intelligent persons having a moronic discussion 
supple hearth
🇵🇭 #1
jovial kite
why would you be scared anyway
manic vigil
Oh wait
gilded lark
russians are actually asians and i think that's hilarious
me
jovial kite
russia has so many internal problems they would die if they went to war
gilded lark
explains why the're such terrible drivers
manic vigil
Off to bed
jovial kite
But i just got up
fervent beacon
ok look
I know good black coffee but adding sugar and cream just make it much better
calm grail
Sugar?
calm grail
What are you? A ham?
gilded lark
2 leaves instead of one
fervent beacon
Tbh, I use bailey cream
gilded lark
uh
okay
pretty sure the avg beer from across the pond is like double the strength of the shit they make here'
not rampant alcoholics btw
jovial kite
yeah. And double better
gilded lark
that i will agree on
jovial kite
because all you have is bud light
jovial kite
Its pretty amazing how that even is a thing
gilded lark
rednecks will buy just about anything
strange python
Beer is rough anyway
gilded lark
psure the shit is like
3.5% alc
maybe 4%
it's like wtf
you literally get beer bloated before you get drunk
anyway i'm off to bed
jovial kite
Good night sugarycreamy broadsides
gilded lark
jovial kite
dream of triple doubles
gilded lark
strange python
6 more months of antorus
what do you guys use for combat text, or do you keep it the native blizzard one
steep obsidian
miks
strange python
thinking about trying to clean up the numbers bouncing off of the bosses head, they actually kinda got in my way on Kin'g and agg
steep obsidian
strange python
neat thank you
prime void
why are you looking at the bosses head
strange python
bonus points if it /y 's
simple python
Thats what i originally made it for but. decided not to
more for tanks though, not sure if they listen or care so gave up
strange python
the only time mine does anything but play toxic by britney is during premade keys
simple python
damn thats hot
dire spoke
@prime void 
prime void
❤
strange python
My guild told me to turn it off otherwise they would kick me out raid
Chat was full of yells
Pb procs for days 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Bonus points if you yell it out on discord
wise frigate
Mine currently says in say chat "I'll suck your dick if you don't move" and X Gonna Give it to Ya plays for a few seconds.
spare cloud
wise frigate
Surprisingly it worked. Tank laughed and actually tried to not move when he saw it pop up.
onyx falcon
question, anyone know if its possible to see vanish on the "timeline" view of logs?
rarely look at logs n just looking at a friends to see wut theyre doing wrong
wise frigate
Yeah under the Casts section.
onyx falcon
ah thx senior pirate who i forgot your original name now cause you keep changing it =.= just recognize your picture
wise frigate
My og name was AM that kind of orc. But I haven't gone by that in a loooong time.
Can just call me Birb. Or "that shitty Outlaw who hangs out in Sin chat a lot"
onyx falcon
yea that pirate thats always over ehre 😛
strange python
lmao the puns
shrewd oriole
Morning
strange python
neata
solid nova
@dire spoke If you think i was meming about you - you read it wrong.
dire spoke
I forgive you
solid nova
It was legit praise
spare cloud
Never forgetti
strange python
Can some1 explain why Nighstalker is better than Subterfuge?
How is the 50% dmg increase better than the 125% Garrote?
dire spoke
Yeah how could 50% with mantle crit on the biggest dmg output be better when 125% is a bigger number on some DoT
but beside that, NS isn't even always better so the question is pretty situational
strange python
@gusty kestrel That was my question, why i was asking lmao
shared my view so i can get a relevant explanation
shrewd oriole
@gusty kestrel nah was a good night
I went to bed early tho
Got prydaz on my hunter 
Bis leggos first two hello ?
I’m changing guild 
jovial kite
Why u switching
shrewd oriole
Cuz
2 day btw
Plus I have a shit load of friends in another guild (like 8 people in the core roster)
I initially didn’t join them cuz the guild was 3 Days
But my current guild ended up raiding 3 days anyways
And didn’t even get a particularly good rank
So I’d rather just raid with friends, raid less and get better ranks lol
More fun, less time, more results
strange python
So in the opener with shoulders, are you supposed to munch a few combo points when doing vendetta > TB > KB
or would it be better to vendetta > tb > env > KB
shrewd oriole
Yep
@strange python how do you munch cps if you do tb kb
Tb is 2
@jovial kite yeah exactly lol cRinge. Rather play with friends.
Plus in 5 weeks we’ve recleared argus once
strange python
Nothing I'm just stupid
shrewd oriole
zealous dew
Friends are overrated
strange python
Slightly less stupid question hopefully
Immediate vanish env better than vanish env with 5 seconds left on kb?
zealous dew
If you tb kB you want as many env as possible in TB window
strange python
Right
I guess I'm just over estimating the benefot of guaranteed crits on kb at the end
zealous dew
👀
jovial kite
zealous dew
No pizza today Jack?
jovial kite
I was thinkin of grabbing some
Been workin for 6 hours
Still 6 to go
Havent eaten nothing but breakfast
zealous dew
Ouch
jovial kite
I need the calories bro
zealous dew
12 h shift
sharp viper
fucking slave
zealous dew
What do you do for living
jovial kite
im currently leading projects that come to our welding robots
got degeee in mechanical engineering
sharp viper
sounds like you have to work your ass off and rake in a ton of cash
zealous dew
Wooo nice
jovial kite
but pretty much 3d modeling, simulation and office stuff
zealous dew
And yet you find time to game
shrewd oriole
True
devout jolt
Quick question about rotation fillers. if I go Mut > Mut and come up with 4CP, should I mut again for 5CP or is that an energy/CP waste or would PK work as its less energy but will give me that 5th CP
devout jolt
thanks @zealous dew
strange python
If they are putting Offensive CDs back on the GCD they prolly intend to make the game pace a bit slower
have a feeling this is more for pvp than pve
@devout jolt Problem with PK for 1 combo point is that it;s not worth the energy(at all), you never wanna PK unless you don;t have your deadly poison applied (should never be the case)
devout jolt
Yeah, I use to use garrot when I had old 2 set, just been using Mut but had a feeling i was wasting energy/cp's. So its ok to Env on 4 but I should still mut at 4 when i need to refresh rup right?
devout jolt
ahh thank you so much
zealous dew
At 7.2 or less with 5 cp
shrewd oriole
Dead channel
strange python
2:30 and imma go spam M+
manic burrow
should I be using TB immediately after KB in my opener?
zealous dew
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
zealous dew
kindred forge
That dude is in my guild 😃
echo estuary
wait what? an arena player? lynch him!
shrewd oriole
Pvp is a mini game 
echo estuary
its ok though, the GCD change will make it into a micro game
lone junco
@manic burrow
magic laurel
Anyone have a mouse over shadowstep macro that will cast a normal shadowstep if I have no mouse over target?
solid nova
Something like:
/cast [@wicked quarryuseover,exists] Shadowstep
/cast Shadowstep
Try that @magic laurel
shrewd oriole
Poor mo
keen inlet
What is up with the strawpolls today
solid nova
The multi posts*
keen inlet
👏 play 👏 what 👏 you 👏 want 👏
magic laurel
Thanks @solid nova
slate harness
i boosted my rouge yesterday still learning looked up rotations and whatnot but is rupture suppose to be the top dmg or am i doing something wrong?
supple hearth
You boosted a rogue yesterday.... You're probably doing something wrong. Read the pinned resources but also don't worry so much about what's top damage.
slate harness
i understand i boosted it yesterday but i dont want to keep messing up you know id rather get it right asap
alright
scarlet mantle
what ilvl boosted chars get?
slate harness
880
scarlet mantle
decent I guess
nocturne wraith
@lone junco am I doing the opener too slow if I energy cap? I do it exactly like in the picture but hit cap after vendetta+tb
spare cloud
You can cap in the opener its not a big deal
keen inlet
@slate harness Read the guide, trust the guide
slate harness
i read it i just wanted to know if it was gear or if i was fine
warm geode
raidbot .-.
marble hemlock
capping energy is only an issue if youre doing it while not pressing a button every single global cooldown. if youre doing that, and cant do it in a different order to use high-energy cost abilities first, then youre losing no dps by overcapping
warm geode
simc , see the numbers, if match good if dont try to fix
marble hemlock
still feels terrible to do it though 😦
warm geode
somebody know if there is rogues the simc more then 3.4M with current equiped gear?
light jacinth
🥒
slate harness
yeah im messing up somewhere im simming 700kish and im only sustaining like 550k so ill try to work it out
marble hemlock
guessing you mean 2.4M
marble hemlock
give me better rings and lemme switch my triple PK relics to MAss, and id be hitting 2.4
scarlet mantle
I'm stuck in 2.2 for last 2 months
marble hemlock
its certainly doable with optimized gear at ~975 ilvl
warm geode
im 976 best i can do is 2.365
lethal heart
thats pretty high
marble hemlock
yeah
lethal heart
but with triple Malch/Massa relics
marble hemlock
id hit 2.380 with singletarget focused relics
lethal heart
and maybe stuff like shocklight/mastery t2
i sim only 2,2 mil as assa FeelsBadMan
my sub is close to 2,3
brisk forge
Sim with 0 trinkets?
marble hemlock
ye
brisk forge
Those traits 😍
lethal heart
solid
marble hemlock
your crit is fairly low though
lethal heart
he has eoc though
warm geode
because of thoses item i think is hard for someone at 975 get like 2.38
lethal heart
so thats like +3% extra?
marble hemlock
yeah well
lethal heart
not sure how much is eoc tbh
not a huge fan of eoc in general
unless i had a super high ilvl one
faint vale
More then 2.4
vestal wren
only issue for eoc is target switching
warm geode
@faint vale could u show everything? cant tell for sure the is 2.4
vestal wren
you can prevent the loss of stacks with mouseover macros
warm geode
name and server?
faint vale
Its a picture i sent a few days ago
warm geode
ok
faint vale
Laleo-Draenor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/52Pez3GeStovNkqgyRwY9M last one i have. Got 82 traits now, which psuhed me the last 4k abouve
brisk forge
Seems legit 😘
marble hemlock
😄
lethal heart
985 cloak
warm geode
teach me
warm geode
@marble hemlock the crit is good, is shoulder build, sry was late xD
brisk forge
I got a 980 😀
faint vale
Playing with a cos shadow relic 👌
brisk forge
Oh fang i meant...
lethal heart
whats the deal with assa legendaries now btw
lethal heart
is it shoulders or boots depending on fight length?
marble hemlock
legendaries are all fairly close in value
so depending on non-legendary pieces you have for any given slot
warm geode
@lethal heart depends on what gear u have to replace
marble hemlock
a different combination of legendaries might become better
lethal heart
shoulders probably skyrocket once there is % damage phase
i see i see
that's kind of cool
warm geode
fight lenght depends to
if u can +1 vendetta with boots and cant +1vanish with shoulders prob boots > shoulders
assuming equal gear
lethal heart
yea
also shoulders can be problematic
like vendetta/vanish doesnt line up
if you dont have xx relics and you have to hold and it feels awkward
marble hemlock
doesnt matter if it feels awkward or not, if its a dps gain to go shoulders even when cooldowns dont line up properly, its still a dps gain
lethal heart
true
warm geode
for argus i think shoulders is good, cuz even if the vanish/vendetta lined up, u dont lose casts for hold, u have a lot downtime with chats and other things
lethal heart
thing in sub is your cds are every 25 seconds
warm geode
p1/p2 2 vanishs and p5 2 vanishs
lethal heart
so it doesnt look that bad when you have to hold for ~15ish instead of ~50ish
but i just play assa mostly on farm and only argus progress
and last phase i was holding vanish as thing to breka chains IN CASE
wasnt optimal for dps for sure\
warm geode
every fight is one fight, some is better hold, others is better smash the buton
and dont use vanish for chains
is sad
just sprint away
lethal heart
dps check wasnt an issue and if healers felt safer when i coulkd break them straight away
i didnt mind
warm geode
we r talking about dps, so the goal is do more damage xD if the group need u to vanish for chain so vanish
brittle mica
is it worth to use fok to get the 5 combopoint or just use evenom with 4 combopoints?
zealous dew
4
brittle mica
and should i always try to line up kingsbane with toxicblade or just use toxicblade on cd and spamming evenom while duration
tough rivet
rose wharf
How do you guys play higher Keys as Sin? I Struggle with a lack of poison bomb proccs. I got 915 Glaivee and 940 Seat Trinket + Cloak for AoE, keeping Dots up on 3 Targets, if possible more, using Spenders on the most front target while kititng etc etc but i can't really stay toe to toe with the others DPS in m* like lock or hunter.
wise frigate
Sacrifice a virgin before each dungeon to maximize poison bomb procs.
warm geode
rose wharf
and which leggy combination do you use? in 20 ish one i start to use shoulders/shoes over shoulders/bracers for packs with priority targets
warm geode
liar
tough rivet
got me 😄
warm geode
@rose wharf always shoulder/bracer
golg and ssf trinkets
is what i use
use shoulder to spam env at start, then build rupture for energy gain, then more env to keep the t21 4p buff and more env for pb
rose wharf
How high do you play (just curious)
rose wharf
well would you say sin is viable in m+?
warm geode
got top 10(9º) rogue NA then stop
viable it is, best inst
u will never bring a rogue at high m+ for damage 🤷
daring gazelle
Such a juicy eye of command
rose wharf
would you dot more as 3 targets in a cleave fight or just f... it and use the energyreg for morer envenoms on the main target?
old quartz
hmm i play sin @ 20,21,22 and never have an issue, either 1st or 2nd in dmg out of the three. just play w/e your comfortable with imo
warm geode
@rose wharf like i say, the goal is spamm env, so as example
we have 5 target with decent heath, what i do:
fok>env>fok>env>fok>env ( this will be the shoulder buff window )
fok> rupture ( we still have the +30% crit on poison dot from env buff )
fok> env > fok > .... ( env if energy is ok if not just rupture when u still have env buff )
but
if let say u have 10 targets
u dont need rupture
the energy from the t21 at 10targets will be enought
rose wharf
Well depending on the Tank, Pulls and Proccs i'm pending between 2 and 2.9 million overall DS(recount) ST i'm mostly n1 but AOE i can't compete without getting lucky or bursting with glaive and then fall behind AF in the DMG
warm geode
glaive is shit damage .-. they r good for sub cuz they can buff dat damage
just try to get raw stats, like agi, mastery or crit( if doing really high key, cuz if all die at shoulder window, crit sucks )
rose wharf
like Fang or golga i guess
old quartz
or high end EoC and mouseover macros
warm geode
fang is good cuz is easy to get high ilvl
warm geode
and ( I THINK ) procs more at start of combat, so every pull prob will proc the agi one
old quartz
i use my 960 eoc over 965 fang, i prefer the constant over the chance even thgough fang has a great proc rate
you just never know
warm geode
if u rnt losing the stack and the fight is longer yeah eoc, but generaly at m+ fangs r better
rose wharf
Just curious, i've seen rogues play with head and boots
old quartz
yea its all dependant on so many variables, and its confusing too cuz EOC will sim higher, but Fang will give much better stats on proc
warm geode
u need to keep in mind the u r using alot of the shoulder, so crit at start loses value and the agi proc from ssf is really good
ST simc != m+ reality
old quartz
😛
warm geode
simc -> raid
old quartz
anyway im outtie for a bit, ttyl
rose wharf
cucu
warm geode
gonna leave to, hope the i helped, cya
rose wharf
Yea thank you very much!
spare cloud
Time for toxism
vapid moth
Laughs maliciously
manic vigil
vapid moth
Laughs in Demonic
keen inlet
manic vigil
Damn Don out-emoji'ed me again 
vapid moth
vapid moth
Hunters have no place in our forum
lone junco
@rose wharf to clarify, in fat aoe, have at least one rupture up to feed E return. but typ 1 or 2 is plenty to keep you fokking.
slate harness
i got my dps to be 20k under sim so i guess i just had to iron it out
thx again guys
hoary copper
Got phat procs on argus lfr last night and was sustaining 2m until the phase switch, still ended at 1.6.
Noobe, remember how I said I wanted boots next? Guess what I got haha. I can be bleed boy now?
lone junco
bracer boot, insig boot, exang.
first 2 dont need 2p20.
and hope you have 40 crit+ and those should be fun
hoary copper
Need 10% more crit is all
and some luck
Shoulder/boots are simming .9% higher than shoulder/bracers
shrewd oriole
5 minute encounter tho
spare cloud
Yeah was about to say depends on fight time
hoary copper
ah yea didnt look at that, just used the default
spare cloud
Doesnt raidbots increase fight time to match cs usage?
hoary copper
I like bracers, it would be hard to get rid of
Bleed is 1.6% lower than poison, so not far
spare cloud
Look at the intervall of vendetta
lone junco
is your bleed 2p4p? with 3vendetta
spare cloud
And also add 20 secs for the last one
hoary copper
I think Im stuck at 2. also dont have T20 I dont think...though I might in my bank. I tend to store that stuff and hoard it
lone junco
if you have 2x and lower crit, your best will prob be MP/vig/TB. bracer boot.
subterfuge.
something like 33/180 would be nice
shrewd oriole
If your crit is low you could go shoulders
hoary copper
well thats what Ive used but shoulder/bracer until now
shrewd oriole
This comment is sponsored by tom, the only rogue who seems to like shoulders in this chat
lone junco
yeah. high crit is life.
shrewd oriole
Nah
lone junco
I dont enjoy having 0pb in my vanish
hoary copper
I think I went from 26/190 to 30/160 or something from bracer/shoulder to shoulder/boot (which simmed higher)
shrewd oriole
spare cloud
I have low crit and i agree with noobe
bold dune
wow so cool tom /s
hoary copper
I need to do a normal and pug a heroic to see if I can get other off pieces
how's sub life on Var?
spare cloud
Hes private logging