yeah, hunter can outrange it if they use a mastery gearset
#assassination
marble hemlock
austere tendon
yeah
marble hemlock
so he never gets targeted in the first place
but if youre targeted, it appears you can no longer outrange it mid-cast
marble hemlock
im just glad i get to play assa in 2 out of 3 dungeons
shrewd oriole
Yeah it’s shit
marble hemlock
fucking despise sub
shrewd oriole
Can’t believe they’ve changed iy
marble hemlock
no idea what mm goes for these days
or how much mastery would be required to get 50+y range
marble hemlock
its a shame dorull cant play
shrewd oriole
So I haven’t really been talking to them
marble hemlock
probably the best m+ boomy right now
shrewd oriole
True
marble hemlock
hmm they did the qual with blake, according to herudra
marble hemlock
good for them
marble hemlock
definitely
marble hemlock
yes
shrewd oriole
He had to take out a kidney stone so he was unsure
Guy came on bnet high on morphine
That shit was funny
@marble hemlock been a while since I played sin but
I assume you play 7pk 7 malch
What trinkets do you rotate between
marble hemlock
yeah, 7pk 7malch
golga for the stats basically
singletarget i switch between ssf or eoc
and trash ssf or contract
shrewd oriole
Fair
marble hemlock
got a 955 contract, so thats nice
marble hemlock
pk is about 13% of the overall damage
so w/o pk youre gonna lose ~40% of that
so id say its about a 5-6% dps loss if you dont run triple pk
shrewd oriole
Fair, that’s quite a bit
marble hemlock
yeah, definitely
especially since you dont lose all that much singletarget by not having triple bb or mass
shrewd oriole
I would def like to push some keys as assa bht dropping my 975+ B.B. malch relics would be tough
Ye
Kul bear form
marble hemlock
yeah, looks great
shrewd oriole
Idd
austere tendon
Human druids??
shrewd oriole
@marble hemlock do you fok on 3 at 7 pks?
strange python
anyone have that perfect poison opener warcraftlog timeline thing lmao
shrewd oriole
Fair
marble hemlock
that was an old sim i did
between triple pk vs triple mass
was less than i expected it to be
and im not gonna drop triple pk for ~50k dps singletarget
but its certainly hard to switch if you already got great singletarget relics lined up
marble hemlock
yeah, i switched to pk when it was still 4% per trait and it was a singletarget increase
and never switched back
marble hemlock
sounds like a good dude
but yeah, MDI is gonna be shit anyway
ye
wl from my server
no shakib, no miracle
bad MDI 😦
yeah
i mean i talked to the admins too, since our original healer is from a barred country herself
but to no avail
shrewd oriole
So dumb
marble hemlock
the shakib situation is even more fucked up, because the law that was the basis for exempting these countries/states/cities from participating isnt even in place anymore
lul
marble hemlock
and most of these still raid more during first 1-2weeks anyway
i love having to compete for applicants with "2-day-raiding guilds" that raid like 5times a weeks for the first 2 weeks of progression and do splitruns and shit
vapid moth
the pre xpac drop is hitting pretty hard
no one pugging raids and the M+ que lists are half the size they were a month ago
marble hemlock
ded game
shrewd oriole
Those are my timezone as well
So those guys were raiding as soon as servers opened
marble hemlock
i mean, the game has been in retention mode for quite some time now
vapid moth
it may be just for the zandalari and kul tiran druids, but people will come back
marble hemlock
doesnt seem like blizz really tries to appeal to new players, but keep as many of the old ones around as possible
with the obvious surge of returning players every xpac
shrewd oriole
Don’t need new players
vapid moth
im a new player
shrewd oriole
Yeah they did it for 3 weeks
marble hemlock
been playing this shit game for 14years now ><
vapid moth
there isnt really a way to cater to new players
marble hemlock
send help
vapid moth
i started in August
shrewd oriole
They raided on method levels
marble hemlock
MMOs in general are just not that hot anymore
vapid moth
true
marble hemlock
most of them take up so much of your time that you cannot play multiple ones
and everyone interested in an mmo already got theirs
so people rarely switch between them
slim estuary
I’m a fresh player. Only hit 110 in TOS
shrewd oriole
Mmos are time consuming
People pref quick games
You can just jump in
Play
And leave
Like league
That’s the popular shit nowadays
slim estuary
That was my mentality why I hadn’t got on wow earlier.
I tried to stay away from the grind games.
marble hemlock
mmos lost a bunch of their players to dota/dayz clones, and the ones that still play mmos usually are rooted into a single one, because its impossible to have a functional life and play more than one MMO
marble hemlock
theres less and less new mmos coming out, because its hard to get a working community going, especially since by now you have to compete with all those "big" MMOs like wow, eso, gw2, ffxiv or bdo, who sometimes have years or even more than a decade of features/quality of life changes etc.
slim estuary
I joined cause my brother in law wanted to play with me but still to this day we’ve never played together. I got addicted and here we are.
shrewd oriole
Rip
marble hemlock
eventually you return to the one that you enjoy the most
shrewd oriole
Some of my world tome in WoW was playing with irl friends
I got an ex gf into wow cuz her dad was big into wow
Lmao
marble hemlock
i really liked lotro for example, the atmossphere was great, but eventually it just became clear that wow is the one and onyl mmo for me due to pve endgame being the best out of all available mmos
shrewd oriole
She was so crap at the game
civic palm
#assassination PLEASE ❤ :3
shrewd oriole
She was so bad that it was legit a turn off
marble hemlock
does that count as assassination discussion then?
civic palm
Yeah just be nasty, ezpz.
shrewd oriole
But I wouldn’t say that
slim estuary
Hahahaha. My partner is leterally@like an rp-er. She is only interested in leveling and the story
shrewd oriole
I can respect that tho grant
slim estuary
Fuck my spelling though
marble hemlock
BDO wouldve been perfect, but it has more fucking rng than legion
shrewd oriole
And she had a terrible time remembering binds
We tried to play kingdomhearts 2 together and she legit couldn’t cast spells
Cuz she’d forget the bind and have to read it
Meanwhile she was dead
Shit was so frustrating
Big turn off
spare cloud
Where is the guild master on horde
civic palm
Kingdom Hearts is one of the worst games ever made.
marble hemlock
in front of the big horde building
shrewd oriole
Jesus
slim estuary
I got PCSX2 just to play KH
civic palm
You people just have awful fucking taste and don't like fun games.
civic palm
Hey it's a JRPG with no likable characters.
shrewd oriole
?????
civic palm
Hey it's a game with some of the worst camera angles, of literally all time.
shrewd oriole
I hope he is
civic palm
Considered I played it within the year, nah.
I had to go back and play it, still as bad as I remember.
Just not my cup of tea.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
civic palm
That's just like... censorship... man.
shrewd oriole
Wait this ain’t google
marble hemlock
stop being toxic you mean?
civic palm
also...
marble hemlock
🤔
civic palm
World of Warcraft wasn't very good in Vanilla.
shrewd oriole
I mean that’s a given
marble hemlock
it was good enough
civic palm
also...
marble hemlock
and tbc was amazing
shrewd oriole
Tbc was amazing
civic palm
Kingdom Hearts got worse the more games released.
shrewd oriole
Hands down
celest mirage
can you cloak/evasion the sythe dmg on argus
spare cloud
Wow raiding wasn't very good until woltk
civic palm
dope dope dope
marble hemlock
grinding fucking demons all day every day for the aldor reputation sword :<
civic palm
The systems around raiding in Vanilla were preeeeetty bad.
marble hemlock
had some good ideas though
shrewd oriole
The pvp ranks was probably the worst one
civic palm
They were neat, but just... fucking... awful.
spare cloud
Guys I need to make another Guild
marble hemlock
zg was cool
spare cloud
Can you help me again
marble hemlock
so was the finalized diremaul
civic palm
ZG was neat until you didn't do it until you were progressing in Naxx and needed the buff.
marble hemlock
still remember grinding DM for weeks so our MT could get QS
civic palm
Kinda wish they would bring back the rep. gating and token drops from ZG though.
New Alpha build?!
civic palm
A new Battle for Azeroth feature, Island Expeditions, is now available for testing for characters at level 110 or higher. Your level and item level will be automatically adjusted to level 120 values.
Getting new systems finally.
Hawt.
Sounds like Zorbix is triggered by some of the MDI team names > _>
marble hemlock
yeah
we just kept ours
well, the one of the rsham
dont think ours wouldve been allowed 😄
civic palm
People making meme's and just not using fucking Guild Names. Guess that's kinda killing the fun but stiiiillll
Though it's not like all of the people on a team from always from the same guild.
civic palm
Yeah.
civic palm
Yeah.
spare cloud
but isnt the dh from scrubbusters in fragnances team
marble hemlock
fralle is playing with jimmy/mike/robin, yeah
spare cloud
so that would be kinda misleading as well if they just named it after guild
civic palm
Yep.
I'd rather them have more team like names and not just MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME though.
drifting cloud
and their team is sponsored by method
primal tangle
960 boe
spare cloud
"Jimmy's M+ Team"
keen inlet
ahem
spare cloud
Is Fragnance still in method btw?
marble hemlock
so why not get them into the method-team of streamers
spare cloud
Isnt he raiding with future
civic palm
Ahem INDEED.
marble hemlock
hes with future
civic palm
People have moved around since last MDI for sure.
marble hemlock
so he can stream progress and everything
spare cloud
because he still has <Method> in the title
marble hemlock
its the same for the us boys
spare cloud
but I guess thats just sponsor
marble hemlock
they mostly got into method because theyre streaming a lot, doesnt matter how they perform at MDI
drifting cloud
its streaming contract
civic palm
mmm, expensive salamiii
true warren
So whats the better build - bleed or poison?
wind rain
grim canopy
boots ever good in m+?
cursive root
not over cloak/shoulders
plain thistle
no, shoulder+bracer
austere tendon
Cloak is only good if you have moments of long enough down time and doing a big burst aoe.
Imps on CoS, Spiders on BRH and such.
but anything beyond that, it is not as good as bracers / shoulder combo.
grim canopy
alright cause all I had left was boots and I rather start working on sub now
want fists of death
strange python
i always get excited when i see red names but jhon is playing alac
but w8 are you playing alac in m+ or nah
grim canopy
what does red name mean?
primal tangle
It means they like bleedy bois.
At least that's what i think they might honestly just have that red name from past times
safe matrix
Bleed build
There are 2 and a half currently viable builds
green for poison
red for bleed
generally it means they play/sexually identify as that build
gilded lark
🤔
civic palm
This is true.
strange python
Assassin any good for m+?
restive elm
Should I be FoN at 3 combo points if I have 5 Poison Knives traits and don't want to waste combo points? Seem to waste a lot with 48% Mut crit chance
gaunt moat
So, what's your guys thoughts on having the Cloak Legendary replacing MfD at tier 100?
strange python
depends on whats in the tier with it
venom rush feels so good kinda hard to not want it in all situations
gaunt moat
tier 100 is:
Poison Bomb - Hidden Blades (new) - Crimson Tempest
tight meteor
isnt the cloak kinda bad for sin
i thought we just pray for a pb proc in aoe
so we take pb anyway?
fleet whale
well i'm kind of glad marked for death is gone for sin as it's been a dead talent for a long time now, but I'm not sure if I wanted it to be replaced by the leggo cloak
three aoe talents in the same tier...
gaunt moat
MfD replaced Alacrity in the 45 Tier
I'm just interested in people thoughts about the cloaks legendary as a talent
have you guys ever used the cloak substantially in legion?
tight meteor
not as sin no :/
fleet whale
last time I used cloak was heroic mistress with glaives, and I even stopped using in then after the first couple of kills
brisk forge
Nope, not really worth it as assa
fleet whale
would have rather have seen the pvp talent there over the cloak...
steep obsidian
cloak lego as a talent is a good idea
the cloak is at least something interesting to pay attention to
gaunt moat
did you ever play with it sabod?
gaunt moat
well obviously as sin heh
steep obsidian
it was sorta fun to have some burst for adds back when it was like the 2nd lego that i got
like the little adds that walk in on the first boss in vault n stuff like that
i think sin players use it in high keys going from the logs on wcl though
but mos rogues in high keys playing sub anyway
like really high keys
gaunt moat
hmm, how can i see most used legendaries at high keys
grim canopy
why would they put cloack as talent for sin does anyone at blizz play rogue
frozen pecan
you can't you have to click trough them to see it
not really a way to see most used legendaries
gaunt moat
yeah i kinda doubt that they use cloak
frozen pecan
nah don't think so either
drowsy parcel
whats the question
if you use cloak on higher keys as sin? you dont
bracers better 100% of the time
drowsy parcel
i've used it and its not worth it
sin has no multipliers to boost it like sub does
frozen pecan
I had to use it a while since I didn't have any other options, I thought it was pretty meh but so was my gear back then
drowsy parcel
might be better in a fringe scenario where you stack 30 stacks before starting and do a really quick mass pull or smth
but probably better still to just use bracers
frozen pecan
I kind of feels like the replaced a usless talent (MfD) with another useless talent
gaunt moat
alpha life -_- stuck in floor
gaunt moat
MfD still exist, replaces alacrity
frozen pecan
what? Flowi won't like that lol
gaunt moat
haven't played much of it yet. new zandalri zone looks cool, but very unfinished
tight meteor
is the bleeds scaling with hastethat significant notter?
do you think it will change how we play?
gaunt moat
haven't tested it enough
if it would change gameplay?
hard to say... there's not much to do as assassination right now
so what would it change
tight meteor
like if haste stacking becomes better maybe poison bomb might not be the go to talent? idk
gaunt moat
what does haste have to do with PB?
tight meteor
well if haste is better and we prioritize mastery lower pb isnt as good right
lone junco
haste and CT
i doubt it will ever be good enough to take a 12sec ct at 2sec ticks, turn it to 1.6sec tics. bleh
but we'll see.
steep obsidian
i havent fiddled with ct on alpha yet but tuning is normally the last thing they worry about
they prolly do some basic tuning for raid testing
lone junco
its not a tuning thing. It is haste on a 12sec bleed. I guess it is short enough duration that it might be good, but its not like we will spam it.
mut mut CT.
steep obsidian
there is def some logs on wcl of guys using the cloak as sin in high mythics, one asian dude specifically but who the hell logs mythics anyway
lone junco
if i did competitive, i would certainly log. would be ablt to see cooldown timings.
undone lodge
hi guys 😃
quick talon
Hello
gaunt moat
🎊
gaunt moat
I think that hidden knives are still too slow.
20 stacks over 40 seconds. for 4 times the damage.
so basically for every 10 seconds you don't use FoK, you get an "extra" FoK
EXCEPT.
you don't get the CP.
i dunno, it's a hard sell to convince me to use that. considering that FoK historically was never a big damage ability.
vapid moth
They really put cloak as a talent?
gaunt moat
for ST it's absolutely garbage. at 400% damage it does about the same damage as a 5CP single envenom.
so getting an extra "envenom" every 40 seconds is... meh.
grim canopy
damn no one really plays rogue at that whole building it seems
frozen pecan
That's what I thought, too slow not enough damage
vapid moth
Can I get a link to this shit
gilded lark
just get alpha access 
vapid moth
Lmao
undone lodge
guys what is this time sands icon cooldown displayed in my WA?
vapid moth
I've only been playing 6 months blizz won't gimme no access
frozen pecan
I don't understand their reasoning to put that as a lvl 100 talent, they should know it's garbage since no one uses cloak right now not even for bombing
vapid moth
you love me hush
grim canopy
they don't know its garbage because Monk is the closest thing they played to rogue
for years
gilded lark
fervent beacon
If it stacked rather quickly than currently, it would be pretty decent but honestly it's still trash and PB will be better imo
ornate valley
gilded lark
you probably didn't deserve it
grim canopy
how bad is the nerfed talent version of the shoulders
gaunt moat
@frozen pecan less garbage than MfD for AoE.
well in any case, i don't think it's gonna stay the same way it is currently.
but it will be something similar.
frozen pecan
true but still probably not viable for any content. But yea it's still early alpha so lets wait and see what they are going to do.
frozen pecan
dispatch... so they gave us execute?
gaunt moat
gave us "back"
it was a rogue ability in the past
frozen pecan
huh? when
frozen pecan
ah ok, didn't play rogue in mists and wod, hardly played those two expansions at all
fervent beacon
Currently its 100% for 5s
so it is a nerfed version.
and its something that you can talent into instead of equipping a piece as well
stark heart
@gaunt moat 5 times the damage tho
ornate valley
if I got shoulders then I switch to NS?
stark heart
(about hidden blades)
frozen pecan
@ornate valley yes
ornate valley
ty
gaunt moat
@stark heart i'm not a smart mathematicianist. why is 400% increase = 5 times?
i guess cause it's "additional"?
safe matrix
wouldnt it be a 333% increase?
stark heart
Because increased by x% is 1+x%
safe matrix
because double from 50->100
and length increase from 3->5
2*5/3=3.33
stark heart
Otherwise by your logic increased by 20% would be lower damage than baseline
gaunt moat
yeah
well, i'm dumb at math
but even times 5, it's about the same damage of a single envenom (currently)
stark heart
Well it's AoE
I am not a fan of that talent either
But for different reason
Think we discussed with weak pretty thoroughly that topic
gaunt moat
the other two talents are also AoE yet may give you more gain in ST (at least PB)
stark heart
I'll try to tl dr when I swap another subway line
I'll try to tl dr when I swap another subway line
gaunt moat
Hidden Blades (cloak legendary as talent)
fervent beacon
Seems like they're slowly baking in artifact abilities/legendaries in talent now
safe matrix
I don't think its great really
fervent beacon
Outlaw got EP which I assume would be the CoDB replacement
fervent beacon
I kind of do but its basically going to boost Broadside/Buried treasure as the most wanted buff to maintain EP uptime
safe matrix
anyone have the link to the most recent class changes?
grim canopy
ya become a monk
gaunt moat
@safe matrix #mmochampionnews
steep obsidian
yeah hidden blades capping at 20 stacks seems really underwhelming for a 100 talent
steep obsidian
ive been playing poison bomb and it procs a fair bit with the changes even though it doesnt do as much damage
fervent beacon
I honestly don't see sin ever using hidden place when you got CT which is on demand aoe finisher
or you can risk the RNG with PB.
steep obsidian
yeh
fervent beacon
I'm assume its nerf damage but more 'consistent'
so could be even in the longer run
safe matrix
isnt it "Poison Bomb Envenom and Rupture have a 4% chance% chance per combo point spent"
so that's 20% per full spender
and 24% per DS finisher?
steep obsidian
im guessing the master asassin talent might still be decent for dung
grim canopy
imo buff to 5sec
fervent beacon
I think it got buffed to 5%
stark heart
Doesn't make it good 😦
safe matrix
Technically a nerf
stark heart
When pb drops and boss moved
safe matrix
but its better for those cases^^
tight meteor
😄 🔫
gaunt moat
That's eactly why it's a good change lorentz
More PB.
And less duration - less time wasted by boss moving out
frozen pecan
makes sense 😁
gaunt moat
if people complain about PB nerf, just slap em'
we wanted to nerf PB whole legion heh
safe matrix
nah its way more consistent
but with the damage nerf
its like 0.93 comapred to the previous iteration
onyx falcon
this PB "nerf" you guys are talking about, is it a current thing or BFA thing
tight meteor
bfa
fervent beacon
Just be patient lol, somebody bounds to look at it because im stoned as f
frozen pecan
the openers scuffed af
bronze kelp
hey guys, i have a question regarding notters WA. Im playing sub and assa. im using notters WA for assa and some other for sub. but always when i talent into assa, notters "cd rogue" WA shows me off all CDs from all specs, also overrides some assa cds with sub cds :/ has anyone had this problem ?
fervent beacon
@gaunt moat ^
bronze kelp
thx 😃
frozen pecan
@ebon sedge open with garrote -> mutilate -> rupture -> vendetta -> tb -> kb -> vanish -> env -> mut -> env
you can also look in the pins
for the guide
onyx falcon
what nefy said
fervent beacon
I know I ran into some minor issue but I was able to fix it in notter WA setting to only show the current spec cooldowns
onyx falcon
@frozen pecan had a small stroke after taking a look at that opener
fervent beacon
So you would want to check off the outlaw and subletly for sin spec.
frozen pecan
haha ye, that's a pretty weird opener
fervent beacon
I also noticed that he mut twice after vanishing, but that's dues to first mut missing the offhand mut.
onyx falcon
im not that good w/ logs, cant tell where s/he vanished
frozen pecan
still, try to follow the correct order
fervent beacon
Actually, I think you guys are fucked, he's doing it right
ebon sedge
@frozen pecan Is that not what I did?
fervent beacon
frozen pecan
what am I looking at then lol
fervent beacon
you were looking at coven i think
onyx falcon
looking at vari o.o
tight meteor
frozen pecan
oh shit lol my bad
fervent beacon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4M16Q3VGcJgLCbzv#fight=last&type=casts&view=timeline&source=3
you guys were looking at the coven log instead of vari lol
stark heart
because it's alpha
onyx falcon
wtf am i looking at
ebon sedge
Yea I linked wrong one first
frozen pecan
haha ok then you are fine mate
onyx falcon
im looking at vari mess so o.o
stark heart
@gaunt moat well it's not bad change to PB but it doesn't really solve underlying issue - player can't control when and where PB drops. If we could at least control when that'd be okay but we have both and that is the main problem for me
I just imagine myself playing Assa on Mistress and die inside
gaunt moat
yeah i'm not arguing that i like how PB is
just that this specific change is a positive imo
stark heart
it's positive for sure
fervent beacon
positive that acid a poison in real life.
frozen pecan
acid is acid
frozen pecan
acid is corrosive while a poison interfers with your internal biology
safe matrix
poison goes by affecting nerves and stuff, acid just corrodes and eats away at things.
nocturne gate
guys a quick question how long should i max delay kb and vendetta for each other
undone lodge
goddamnit!!!!! 😓
onyx falcon
@nocturne gate i think in the Bunny's guide, he says no more than 5 seconds?
undone lodge
5 secs
onyx falcon
• Use Toxic Blade either the last 8 seconds of Kingsbane duration or on cooldown. Do not delay your Toxic Blade more than 5 seconds waiting for Kingsbane. If Vendetta is coming up you can delay as well.
undone lodge
maybe less than 2-3 secs?
onyx falcon
honestly, all these are just guideline, it also depends on mechs too
like on kingor ive held TB/KB/Vend for ~10 secs cause i was waiting for the add to come up
nocturne gate
ok and the other question someone tips for kingaroth ? ^^ its the only boss where i parse under80
onyx falcon
save your CDs for the adds
stark heart
pray very hard
nocturne gate
and the opener ?
steep obsidian
have eveyrone get the fuck away frmo the add you kliing
undone lodge
all i did was waiting for another opener sequence....lazy gaming
onyx falcon
k well 🙏 for 
is every fight
its a normal opener
you have more than enough time to dish out a full opener
stark heart
on Kin it's amplified because you need that PB at the start in mantle
what build you play?
on Kin
stark heart
I play boots there tbh
well open with TB + KB, save vendetta and bantle for adds
if you play bracers then vendetta only on adds
save cp and energy for adds
like usual stuff
nocturne gate
hm guess i try boots+bracer today
frozen pecan
Hm I usually have enough time to get vendetta back during the add phase but that depends on your group
onyx falcon
i think its better for mantle braces imo, only cause boots will fk your vend CD up w/ the adds
nocturne gate
but ihave only one ma trait
safe matrix
thats just because mantle bracer has a high variance
stark heart
I have 2 ma but ven is not tightly ready
safe matrix
if you get lucky you can go big dick
nocturne gate
i tryed and find out ive usually have every min a vendetta instead of 1,27min
safe matrix
but iirc averagely its deceiving
stark heart
I mean it's up to you but it's just how I play
nocturne gate
most pareses are 5-6min
stark heart
heroic?
frozen pecan
you need 3 ma to get high sims with boots right?
nocturne gate
kin is on progression
myth
so we dont have him down this is why i search for tips^^
stark heart
I mean our farm kill is 7:40, and I found only 6:10 best time on wcl
nocturne gate
theunder 80 logs are for hc but i want regular tips for myth
nocturne gate
:d
steep obsidian
you might do more add damage with shoulder bracers but you can fit in extra vendettas on the boss with shoulders boots
stark heart
bracers only work when damage amp on adds is low
for consistency sake I'd play boots
then again I played Sub on prog 
undone lodge
sabod..on normal raid should i garrote all the adds, even the furthest?
fervent beacon
Why would you do that, just focus on one add.
fervent beacon
but it has been awhile since i done normal so Im just too used to mythic.
frozen pecan
you wanna garrote all adds on kinga? lol?
grim canopy
what bosses is boots best on
undone lodge
not pastrticularly on kinga, tho
zealous dew
wtf is that
dire spoke
good morning 
frozen pecan
josh is so cringe
dire spoke
you mean like he has folders with data of streamers like naguura?
her roast was godlike
zealous dew
online dating 😄
shrewd night
I mean, he is pretty fucking convincing
some rando /w me he's selling +15
shrewd night
I liked our raid
'So uh, two of our critical guys are going to be late, so we will just kill the four bosses required to get to aggramar, then see if they are here'
'Huh, they arent here yet? Guess we can start clearing the rest'
'So thats all dead and they still arent here.. OH, and people have to leave now?'
ok.
zealous dew
critical guys ?
mighty elm
Wondering, how do you guys keep yourselves sane enough to keep playing this spec? It’s so boring
Sub4lyf
zealous dew
play bm
shrewd night
steep obsidian
is sub really that much more exciting?
zealous dew
yeah it's thrilling
steep obsidian
i guess dying because you dfaed at the wrong time or in the wrong position is living on the edge
mighty elm
Im kinda edgy
gilded lark
Play mfd
zealous dew
alacrity 😄
frozen pecan
alacrity is gone for assa in bfa lul
nimble tartan
plucky gale
dead channel for dead class
devout jolt
Someone able to look over my logs from Mythic Garothi and tell me what I need to do to improve as I only got a 48% parse: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1jk9fLtFAzbxrnYc/#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=8
shrewd night
Your killtime is bad, that will improve your ranking tenfold.
shrewd night
Being a minute slower than the average guild will dumpster your ranking, so I dont think we can get valuable advice on that log itself as its an outlier.
devout jolt
thanks, next week we should havea full group of mains so i'll will wait for those logs
thank you, is it worth doing a 3pt evenom when it comes to the end just to keep that buff up?
instead of trying to fit a 5pt a miss it
I do try a pool
there a % of nrg i should be taking into KB with em
me*
ok
lost horizon
Fight length isn't that cataclysmic, you should still be able to perform reasonably well without requiring very short fight lengths
shrewd night
Its too early in the morning to attempt to explain why a whole minute in fightlength makes a massive difference
dire spoke
lost horizon
If you're parsing green, there's more to be done than shortening the fight
shrewd night
What if fightlength was what made the parse green in the first place
Not that Im saying this is the case here, but just saying
lost horizon
I mean if it's a 7minute garothi kill, I'll give you that one
But sin isn't even as frontloaded or hero reliant as most other specs
valid plank
dire spoke
did they buff every single rogue ability again in alpha
Value: 10 32%
oh they nerfed EP lul
PB: Envenom and Rupture have a 4%5% chance 
faint vale
Still i would prefer a spell with 2 charges 20s cd where you can throw a vial creating the posion bomb
Just like twitch in lol
quick ice
personally I just like this from new alpha build - proof pineapple on pizza is wrong
faint vale
Could reuse animation of frag bomb and insteaf of a fire explosion add a poison splash
spare cloud
poofpoof
shrewd night
Pineapple pizza is better than sex.
spare cloud
everyone for himself I guess
warm parcel
shrewd night
Maximum ree
shrewd night
What he doing
spare cloud
I don't even know myself thats why I think hes trolling
hes whispering me weird things
shrewd night
Why doesnt he whisper me things like that 😦
spare cloud
idk he should
Ally one? Yes
Horde no
Some good guy made another level 1 char
got the sub trinket yesterday
Hopefully I'll get a good roll on shoulders today
from avatar
I wish I had perfect gear 980 ilvl
so I could play bleed
quick ice
I wish I had more crit. 24% feels disgusting
quick ice
stupid god-tier titanforges with haste/mastery 😦
jovial kite
i have 47% crit 135% mastery and 15% versa
shrewd night
Work cafeteria is trying to rob people.
If you dont use the internal payment system, you get a servicetax applied to everything you buy.
Today they increased it from 30% to 80%.
spare cloud
I'm thinking about going poison build with ravenholdt and EP+Subter
jovial kite
that works too
vapid moth
I don't agree with the pineapple on pizza thing bruh wtf
spare cloud
even though subter is probably worse without 2pc
jovial kite
me neither
spare cloud
maybe go EP NS
vapid moth
It's good but you gotta add something else to it. I recommend bacon
jovial kite
i think it was a preposterous political statement from blizz
vapid moth
And the place can't be putting full fucking pineapple rings on the pizza. They gotta be cut up smqll
shrewd night
NO.
marble hemlock
no alacrity
spare cloud
Probably way more consistent than pb
with shoulders
https://gyazo.com/e64d3d4092455491ff5fd74925cb6aee ugh thats my normal sim
40k difference
probably not worth
spare cloud
Yeah I was gonna sim that as well
marble hemlock
but since y oure already clipping envenom/virulent poisons anyway, EP isnt really something you have to play around i suppose
shrewd night
How come subt is a thing with EP? I dont get the synergy, might be too early for that too.
gaunt moat
@gusty kestrel you need to change your name, what is alacrity? i see no such ability in my rogue talents
marble hemlock
not enough mastery?
dire spoke
shrewd night
I guess it just makes your damagefloor higher, which with EP is more valuable than a high damageceiling 🤷
thorn summit
Truedat. You only spend cdtimes/procs on dpsceilling levels anyeay x)
spare cloud
Holy shit that might actually play out better
nevermind
I dont wanna run shoulders all the time 
dire spoke
@spare cloud I know dat feel
spare cloud
about 30k loss
Might be worth playing that on bosses that allow cleave
like felhounds
might be an increase
or coven
also it's probably more consisten
shrewd night
The cleave would have to have higher uptime than hounds though. I think it would be good for Council, but nothing outside of that
spare cloud
its with ravenholdt ring
thats what I mean with cleave
I'd just hit them both with them juicy mutilates
thorn summit
I think mine only accumulates to 1.6m atm in 950, but I guess its more to do with bad legendaries than anything
spare cloud
maybe it will increase once I'm bloodelf with the crit
probablym favors that build
maybe increases it by a few k
its probably worse on council with average pb proccs
than poison build
pretty sure its way more consistent though
probably also feels better to play
with 65% mutilate crit
quick ice
tfw only 48% mut crit but you've got 6/6 BB
shrewd night
...How
quick ice
base meaning unbuffed in this case
quick ice
I mean, vers food I'm pretty sure is better
marble hemlock
how much crit do you have on gear? 2k?
dire spoke
you have weird gear man
marble hemlock
sounds like subgear
dire spoke
I'm on 36% crit and 195% mastery
quick ice
oh doh, logged out as outlaw
yeah.
my other choice was a 945 crit/mastery, and it simmed worse
quick ice
oh
marble hemlock
*simmed better
quick ice
shit, that's not my sin ring
dire spoke
quick ice
I have a 975 haste/mastery ring
marble hemlock
high haste or low haste?
quick ice
low
marble hemlock
either way, it shouldnt beat a crit/mastery, even at 30ilvl difference
meh, could be i guess
quick ice
here, I'll link a quick sim on raidbots instead - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oJwQX9Pw47KLU85FxAmULX
my actual gear
quick ice
I mean, I use tier gloves because 985
dire spoke
ohhh dude
marble hemlock
whats up with that belt
marble hemlock
no pk belt? 😦
marble hemlock
what do your statweights look like?
quick ice
@gusty kestrel I have very strange luck with loot
dire spoke
well to be fair, you don't need crit for that build
I have a 960 vers/mast ring that outsims crit
quick ice
it does feel awful with 24%
quick ice
~13k behind for the 945 crit/mastery ring btw https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/72ARBGoxAofk6hc6ayd2C4
brisk abyss
Hi everyone! I am pretty new to rogue and i am trying to improve my gameplay. A friend told me you could help if i gave you some logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cn7NhPwqapfAQxmF/ here is my last raid and my name is Starfa in game. I would like anytips for more dps 😦
dire spoke
it's the same for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5WmmVuBa7eJFJBrXemg3UV
marble hemlock
so about 45% crit once eoc is stacked, and crit is still almost better than mastery
quick ice
it felt pretty wrong replacing it tbh.
I wonder if my BB relics (6/6) are kinda making it not as bad?
spare cloud
gz
quick ice
lemme find a recent log
spare cloud
I'm chaning to bracers ring
today
sims less but it feels like its actually doing more, I will try out in hc today
quick ice
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9DfXgyPwtZ6QcJTh#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=16 was aggramar last night - 64%
not my best playing ever, but still
marble hemlock
yikes
had 77% on aggramar, and 84% on garothi yesterday
at least you can get rid of some of that haste/vers with only a few items, and they drop in raid too
dire spoke
@gusty kestrel gz
spare cloud
9 Minutes on dummy
380k on rat, might influence that
Also gotta consider thats without vanish
quick ice
@marble hemlock can't, sadly. extending argus as of this week 😦
spare cloud
because then details resets
shrewd night
INVALID CUZ RAT
marble hemlock
aww man
i feel for you
didnt get a single pk belt or kin ring drop up until last week
where i pocketed both
dire spoke
@spare cloud you did no buffed garrote vanish?
drifting cloud
fuck that rat in particular
quick ice
we still haven't ever seen a kin ring.
spare cloud
No.
dire spoke
lol