assassination

[dire spoke]

I can't even remember when got green

[shrewd oriole]

https://clips.twitch.tv/GoldenLittleNeanderthalVoHiYo

[gaunt moat]

@keen inlet i don't know if sin looks the most finished, there's still 8 months to go and some changes coming.
it's missing some stuff that make it work in legion

[keen inlet]

ahem

"the most" finished

as in, compared to sub and outlaw

[viscid helm]

its missing Alacrity

[gaunt moat]

i get that

[viscid helm]

#unfinished

[gaunt moat]

still wouldn't use that phrase

[nimble tartan]

lets all play dhs instead

[viscid helm]

also since theres no more KB

[nimble tartan]

the true melee class

[keen inlet]

idk man. It's opinion at this point. I'm unsure how much attention rogue's gonna get, overall

[viscid helm]

its literally mut - env

nice class

such skill

[keen inlet]

Until I see more changes for outlaw I'm going to continue being pessimistic

[viscid helm]

very complex

[prime void]

Omr on the DH kick again

😔

[torn token]

So whos going to be doing the state of class for rogues on wowhead

[gaunt moat]

heh can't brush it off as "opinion"
saying that kinda implies it's close to finished 😛

[dire spoke]

well sin has been the spec with the best non-set rotation, where sub and/or otl are pretty bad to play without tier

[keen inlet]

big thonkerino

[lone junco]

big ol doinks

[wise frigate]

Down in Amish

[nimble tartan]

its fookin nice out

[keen inlet]

the most finished of the rogue specs = / = finished
looks decent = I think it's decent looking, pretty similar to live (sorry about alac bois)
too early to pass meaningful judgment (I wonder what this means)

👍 Don't make me get spicy on you bunny

[unreal coyote]

i just want us to do appropriate dmg again

[gaunt moat]

i'd concede i didn't read the 2nd part, but then you made the red line make white edges, so i'm not gonna

[nimble tartan]

remove poison bomb

[wise frigate]

[viscid helm]

omr be quiet

go away

[nimble tartan]

remove poison bomb

[keen inlet]

no BULLY Flowi

[nimble tartan]

NOW

[jovial kite]

GANG

[jovial kite]

BIG

OL

DOINKS

[nimble tartan]

flowi cant even get to maps in poe 🤤

[viscid helm]

what are you on about

[nimble tartan]

u keep DYING

[viscid helm]

http://puu.sh/zHwfY/8562af2ee5.jpg

YE

be quiet

[marble hemlock]

softcore yikes

[shrewd oriole]

^

[viscid helm]

https://puu.sh/zHwhx/a3dea10547.jpg

[nimble tartan]

the old flowi would've mapped in hc bestiary

[viscid helm]

soon

[shut willow]

@notter I guess since I'm sin, I should be green

[shrewd oriole]

Also @viscid helm @gaunt moat @keen inlet I doubt assa get any more big changes

[jovial kite]

[keen inlet]

[jovial kite]

triple threat

[shrewd oriole]

It plays very much like wod assa

[viscid helm]

i mean

[shrewd oriole]

Which they were clearly happy with cuz that was pretty much legion assa

[viscid helm]

its literally legion Sin

without KB

[marble hemlock]

i want something that play like mop combat 😦

[shrewd oriole]

Exactly

[strange python]

i want wotlk combat hellu

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t really see a reason to change assa any further

[strange python]

but rupture spec

[jovial kite]

yeah bro but we get

execute despacito

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

Funny cuz despacito means slowly

So we are executing slowly

[jovial kite]

i know 😸

the lyrics for despacito are pretty fucked up

the guy wants to make the girl forget about her name

and write a manuscript so she forgets her past

and then he rapes her

[viscid helm]

they should have put dispatch into utility row

maybe it would see some use

[unreal coyote]

or

[jovial kite]

and brainwashes her to be a sexslave

[unreal coyote]

just gave it to us

like they should have

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

[unreal coyote]

like it was

[shrewd oriole]

It not like dispatch was great to play

[unreal coyote]

why is it not just back in our kit

instead of a fucking talent

[shrewd oriole]

It’s just a slightly stronger mut when we had it

Lmao

[viscid helm]

i mean its pure phys

and its vs MP

[gaunt moat]

@shrewd oriole well "big" changes, like, almost no spec of any class is gonna get big changes.

[shrewd oriole]

I hope outlaw gets big changes

[unreal coyote]

i hope outlaw gets deleted

and they bring combat back

.>

[drifting crypt]

is dispatch the new hemo?

[shrewd oriole]

That’s a big change I can get behind

Just delete outlaw channel too

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole how much time do you have into outlaw? like a few times, or like 100m+?

[unreal coyote]

lol

[shrewd oriole]

100m as in 100 minutes?

[lone junco]

100 runs or like full tiers

[jovial kite]

only at 10m after 6 months

[lone junco]

instances

[jovial kite]

sorry

[shrewd oriole]

Oh 100 dungeons

Probably not 100 no

[viscid helm]

0

is probably closer

[shrewd oriole]

Got like 20

[viscid helm]

to the right number

[shrewd oriole]

I raided more on it than anything else

I played it for NH farm a ton

Lul

[lone junco]

NH farm was prime time

LD 6b

[shrewd oriole]

I still think it’s a trash spec

And would much prefer nearly any previous iteration of combat

[lone junco]

i just like to know where people are coming from before I talk about revisions.

[shrewd oriole]

Wod combat, cata combat, mop combat, wotlk combat

[lone junco]

there are cool things they could have done with outlaw. they did none of them.

[shrewd oriole]

Amen

[jovial kite]

what do you mean bro

[lone junco]

pure scaling.

[shrewd oriole]

Well, there’s 1 cool thing they did

[jovial kite]

RTB YOU HAVE 6 BUFFS

NO WAIT FUCK IT LETS MAKE IT 5

WAIT

[shrewd oriole]

They made the spec trash so that we don’t have to play it

[jovial kite]

LETS SCUFF THE WHOLE SPEC

[lone junco]

I am maddest at BTE scale.

[normal plover]

woah why are we discussing pirates in here

[lone junco]

🤺

[shrewd oriole]

Keep Yourself Simmed

Thanks man

Gotcha

[dire spoke]

tom just hopes WoD sub comes back

rupture, snd, premed, burst and then nothing

such a well planned spec

[lone junco]

tbh, i like crit. always have. love that sin scales with crit. would have like to see outlaw stack crit and use BTE on cd. with a high enough scale that a non crit bte = a non crit RT, but a crit bte = 4x a RT.

could have been a talent that repped DFA

ST, doesnt abuse Bladeflurry.

[shrewd oriole]

Nothing?

What

[strange python]

i just realized that bleed spec sin is basically wotlk bleed combat

[shrewd oriole]

Did you actually play wod sub

Wod sub was ducking great

@dire spoke that’s basically what it is now xd just worse

Ye

We were speedy boios

That shit was so broken xd

[spare cloud]

I am a boi on speed, does that work too?

[dire spoke]

I mained sub all through hfc yeah

[shrewd oriole]

You gonna tell me

That shot wasn’t twice as good as current sub

It played a lot faster cuz of MS

[spare cloud]

Sub in hfc was fun as fuck

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[marble hemlock]

was it because of sub, or because of capacitor though?

[shrewd oriole]

IN BRF as well tbh

Find weakness uptime

[keen inlet]

Burst of Speed was one of the greatest talents ever.

[spare cloud]

I played warrior only until hfc

[shrewd oriole]

I liked sub in BRF

so wasn’t just Kappacitor

[spare cloud]

didn't require an alt because guild was bad enough

[keen inlet]

If warlocks can keep burning rush then we should keep burst of speed

[quiet cape]

Hey, guys. Just wanted to ask if using eye of command changes your stat weights? Cuz raidbots shows same for fang\eye.

[keen inlet]

but ah, can't be more mobile that DHes now can we...

[shrewd oriole]

Sim it

[spare cloud]

Kappacitor was fun in Challenge mode

as shaman

[shrewd oriole]

Monk is as mobile as DH

[marble hemlock]

burst of speed was the reason i had to kite iron stars on garrosh hc

[shrewd oriole]

Arguably more

[quiet cape]

did you even read what i said?

[marble hemlock]

fuck burst of speed

[quiet cape]

^

[shrewd oriole]

Then no

[spare cloud]

Answered your own question

[shrewd oriole]

If it shows the same it’s the same like

[spare cloud]

[shrewd oriole]

With eoc haste is bis cuz you gotta AA 10 times real quick

[lone junco]

@quiet cape depends on ilvl of each. and you need to decide for yourself if you can maintain the eye buff or not. if 2t would need mouseover macros for the ruptures.

[shrewd oriole]

Zoop 👉 😎 👉

[lone junco]

if they sim equal, then just use dogs. cause lazy

[shrewd oriole]

That took a while

[shut willow]

I know they won't do it, but it would be cool to bring back old school backstab (does more dmg from behind, hehehehehe) and put it back to combat like it should be with most of your damage coming from AA and Sinister Stryyyyke

[spare cloud]

[quiet cape]

http://puu.sh/zHx0X/1d735a6364.jpg

yeey haste bis stat

[shrewd oriole]

Yep

Not even playing alacrity sigh

[spare cloud]

2,3 Mil

thefuck dud

[shrewd oriole]

?

2.3 is p normal these days

[spare cloud]

Yeah right

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t tell me you’re a 2.2 pleb

[spare cloud]

2,15 here

[shrewd oriole]

Jack is at 2.4

LUL

[keen inlet]

nah

disagree strongly on positioning requirements

they have repeatedly shown that they aren't capable of designing fights to be friendly around them

[shrewd oriole]

agreed with Jose on disagreeing

You suck

That’s what I mean

[spare cloud]

Tom is 2,4 but still can't get good logs

[keen inlet]

At this point we get 1-2 bosses per raid that you can barely even get to the side of

[shrewd oriole]

Until you get 2.3

[quiet cape]

was that a joke about alacrity? lul
cuz just got eye from chest

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud 2.3 actually

Not even close to 2.4

Got 3 945 pieces

Lmao

[spare cloud]

Nice gear m8

[shrewd oriole]

Still 150k more than you

Pleb

[amber sleet]

LUL

[spare cloud]

I wear 975 and you sim 150k more than me

what is this

[strange python]

still dreaming for 2m

[spare cloud]

Oh my trinket isnt ilvl 1000 btw

[marble hemlock]

legends have it, that if you link a raidbot sim with alacrity talented, you will get a secret tag in this discord that will give you access to a special chat-channel where tips for #1 parses are being shared

[spare cloud]

idk how much that changes

but i assume its a pretty decent change

[quiet cape]

a ton

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

Trinket is shit

[spare cloud]

25 ilvl?

Sure changes a bit in sims

[shrewd oriole]

Doubt it’s 150k thi

But idk

[spare cloud]

ofc not

I have shit stats

27,70% Crit 211,96% Mastery

pretty bad

[shrewd oriole]

Nice versa mate

[spare cloud]

14%

also almost 5% haste

[shrewd oriole]

Cringw

[spare cloud]

because 980 set gloves

FeelsZempaiMan

[shrewd oriole]

Gotta pass on tier gloves every time

To avoid getting them TF’d

[dire spoke]

[shrewd oriole]

🤔

[spare cloud]

I got them bonusroll

because I was rolling for the actual gloves

[shrewd oriole]

Rip ok

[quiet cape]

Btw why herodamage shows that eye 960 almost equal fang 970 on single target
but on dual target it is eye 960 equal fang 980.
what's that shit?

[spare cloud]

Uh nevermind

[amber sleet]

https://gyazo.com/5bee4b9a3a6eacdbeff50b092e2b1607

[spare cloud]

I meant i was rolling for ring

the crit mastery one

[amber sleet]

almost haste>agi

[shrewd oriole]

Big boy sim

[amber sleet]

lul

[shrewd oriole]

Haste already ourscales agi for me

Out*

[spare cloud]

I guess it's a player issue

[shrewd oriole]

Simming about the same

[viscid helm]

now if you played bleed

that sim would be 2550

[amber sleet]

I already got pretty high haste stats

:/

[spare cloud]

No we suck

[viscid helm]

instead of 2350

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[amber sleet]

I sim lower with bleed

about 90k lower

[viscid helm]

yeh because of lower gear

[shrewd oriole]

Rip

[viscid helm]

obviously

[amber sleet]

No

[viscid helm]

TB is shit compared to bleed

[amber sleet]

My crit gear is pretty neat

[viscid helm]

clearly not

[amber sleet]

sec

ill link

[spare cloud]

Don't

[quiet cape]

http://puu.sh/zHxg2/d037401481.png

[marble hemlock]

could it be

because

[spare cloud]

because you dont target swap and fok

[marble hemlock]

thats the way it is?

[spare cloud]

and thats the shit

[quiet cape]

oh right..

[spare cloud]

Don't question sims

[quiet cape]

aight sorry

[shrewd oriole]

420iq qs

[spare cloud]

if you have to play boots shoulders

do it

[marble hemlock]

sims have been done by a computer. do you question a computer?

[amber sleet]

44% crit, 114% mast, 15% versa in bleed gear

[quiet cape]

♿ questioning sims ♿

[prime void]

I sim 2.2

[amber sleet]

bleed/ring sims highest tho, thats why cri is high

crit*

[prime void]

Do I sim more than you @gusty kestrel

[keen inlet]

@marble hemlock Let's not treat sims like they're gospel, they're only as good as the apl. Sometimes we're off. This late in the xpac tho we're pretty accurate!

[spare cloud]

Everyone sims more than @gusty kestrel

except me

[prime void]

Maybe its because you play alac

[marble hemlock]

i wasnt being serious

[spare cloud]

Its in the apl

[keen inlet]

o

your cat

looks so serious

that

[prime void]

[keen inlet]

nevermind

[marble hemlock]

thats because it is

[keen inlet]

[spare cloud]

if sim < Alacrity sim then +200k dps

[prime void]

WHICH CAT

[keen inlet]

WHO DID I @

WHO WAS I SPEAKING TO

[prime void]

gosh darnit

😦

[spare cloud]

Take it to general

if you talk about cats

[prime void]

stfu

[spare cloud]

goes into general

[prime void]

My car is a green cat. A sin cat

[spare cloud]

sees "cat weaving"

[marble hemlock]

what if the cats are playing assa?

[prime void]

cat*

My cat pumps more dps than 99% of the discord

[spare cloud]

They are talking about cats in general already

[prime void]

15% pb every pull

[spare cloud]

just join the conversation

[prime void]

I lowkey find cats hella annoying

[spare cloud]

You just like looking at them but dont want to own one

[prime void]

you out sim me

gtfo here >.<

[amber sleet]

[spare cloud]

how many pantheon trinkets?

[prime void]

20 obv

Obviously 20 panth sims

Tisumi needs ALL thehelp

[spare cloud]

Yeah because thats realistic

Yes

because you are a 0

[prime void]

Neither does the majority of us

[jovial kite]

i sim like 2.5 with 20 pantheon

why would i sim with pantheon though

[prime void]

You wouldn't

That was the point

[spare cloud]

Yes

Am I really though

[amber sleet]

Slagg

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/6e352ba5411acd33b802adc22e99afcc

[prime void]

We're back boys

[amber sleet]

link ur gear

@jovial kite

[strange python]

its big dick

[spare cloud]

Mizume changed to other ass

[amber sleet]

I'd assume nothing less

He sims 50k higher than me

So i wanna know

[prime void]

I change weekly- ish

[spare cloud]

if I see ass on profile picture I just assume its you

[strange python]

iirc he has 940/960 t20

[spare cloud]

most of the time it's correct

[prime void]

Probably close to 99%

Doesn't matter what the name is, I probably just changed it. kek

[spare cloud]

I know

cat

[amber sleet]

is t20 really necessary for bleed?

[spare cloud]

I'm stalking you

I got you on my radar

[amber sleet]

Purly singletarget i mean

[prime void]

😉

[spare cloud]

Yes it is

[strange python]

yes

i wouldnt play without it

[spare cloud]

Well not necessary but you will most likely do more with poison

without it

[amber sleet]

Im loosing so much stats if i go 2pc/4pc

[spare cloud]

Yes

[amber sleet]

I got 985 legs

[spare cloud]

thats why you want a high roll

you also kinda dont want to use the leg t20 set

[strange python]

auzi even with 915 t20 you should sim higher with bleed

[spare cloud]

Nah

[strange python]

shoulders/hands for t20 if possible

[prime void]

I think I'd pay close to 1m-2m for 940+ t20 shoulders

[amber sleet]

can't

got 980 t21 hands

LUL

[strange python]

jesus

[spare cloud]

I lose 10 Itemlevels with bleed gear

probably not worth

[amber sleet]

I guess this is my problem really

I got too good of a t21 set

compared to my t20

[strange python]

you can play it without t20 but man it sucks

[prime void]

Ilvl doesnt matter much

[strange python]

it hurts

[amber sleet]

so its not worth going bleed

[prime void]

When 2p t20 is op af for bleed.

[amber sleet]

Ill test it out

give me a sec

to sim

[prime void]

Unless you're rocking some 915 wellfare ass shit

[amber sleet]

with potential 2pc/4pc

[strange python]

sim it a bit, for me, my t20 915 is better than 980 offpieces

[amber sleet]

jesus

lol

Like

I got ok t20

945 cloak, 930 rest

so ill defo use cloak

[jovial kite]

holy shit

aggramar oneshotted

2.3m deeps

still cant beat flowi

[amber sleet]

Rip

[strange python]

@amber sleet any updates on the raidbots?

[lucid carbon]

😦

[jovial kite]

werriers
https://gyazo.com/d0f7b2e9d73a3432a6d72870b6a48e08

[amber sleet]

No not yet

[strange python]

jack shitting on the other rogue lul

[amber sleet]

Still figuring out which pieces to swap out

[manic vigil]

Dat affli

[jovial kite]

40% add dmg

[manic vigil]

Ye

[zealous dew]

lock padder 😄

[strange python]

@amber sleet if you use raidbots, their top gear thing is really neat fro that

[amber sleet]

Yea but the thing is i dont have all the pieces

So i have to manually put them in, using Gear compare

[strange python]

aye rip

[amber sleet]

So its taking some nice 😄

The question is which t20 pieces i should use

[strange python]

depends on your offpieces. ideally shoulders/hands

cloak isnt a bad choice just because they give low stats no matter the ilvl

[amber sleet]

yup i think i have to go with cloak

cuz the difference between my 945 t20 and my 960 t21 isnt that big

[strange python]

yeah. what pieces of t20 do you have currently?

[amber sleet]

I have them all

But only my cloak is TF'd

rest is basic 930

Swapping my 980 hands to t20 930 feels so bad

But i guess yolo

[strange python]

ilvl<dps

my 958 bleed set sims higher than my ~969 poison

[marble hemlock]

yikes

[amber sleet]

lul

[marble hemlock]

simming highest with helm+boots

feelsbadman

[strange python]

O.o

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/zHykV/d136e01761.jpg

i dont want to 😦

[plain thistle]

not playing alacrity 🤔

lol

[zealous dew]

do it!

[marble hemlock]

70k loss with alac

thank god

[zealous dew]

200k loss with alacrity 😃

[plain thistle]

EP + Alacrity is the new thing we going through

[amber sleet]

@strange python 2.204m with t20 shoulders and cloak

[plain thistle]

wait

change my name back

wtf

[keen inlet]

You're not outlaw

[marble hemlock]

even bigger loss with ep

[plain thistle]

😦

[keen inlet]

and you never will be

[manic vigil]

Even you jhonwei? Brother?

[amber sleet]

still way lower than my poison

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, apparently switching to helm from bracers is gonna be +30k dps

😦

[manic vigil]

Oh that's why your are a chameleon

Triggering don

[plain thistle]

yeah

[keen inlet]

alacrity is just bleed build with extra steps
change my mind

[plain thistle]

less steps

😃

[keen inlet]

mind changed

e z

[plain thistle]

1 button less to press, you just smash everything

[keen inlet]

open hearts open minds y'all

[manic vigil]

I want to play alahcrity (on purpose, get it) but it sucks

[plain thistle]

im actually playing with alacrity for mythic argus, because its only 20k lower than TB for a 10 minutes fight

[keen inlet]

I'd assume it's still crit/mastery orbs

although stacking haste plus alacrity

the memes

GOTTA
GO
FAST

[plain thistle]

and I really dont like the timers for TB sometimes for that fight, specially P3, where I dont know if I TB+KB the module or just wait to use on boss 🤔

[strange python]

@amber sleet hows that compare

to poison

[plain thistle]

the funny part about alacrity is that haste > agility 😂

[amber sleet]

I sim 2.35 as poison

So its not even close

[strange python]

rip i guess you're still praying for gods

[amber sleet]

rip

fml

Im gonna fucking make it work somehow

My offpieces are bad for bleed aswell

Like my belt is 985, but with haste/mast

[heavy plover]

Finally got all legendaries for assas, but shoulder/boots sims 30k higher than bracer/shoulders on 3-4 min fights, should I still use bracers?

[amber sleet]

@strange python I only have 1 MA relic tho

🤔

[zealous dew]

alacrity 😄

best meme 2018 so far

[jovial kite]

ROFL

got argus achi

from mythic

[zealous dew]

😄

[dire spoke]

👀

[manic vigil]

@heavy plover short answer: yes

[jovial kite]

rank 37 argus

[heavy plover]

@manic vigil Thanks

@manic vigil What if boots/bracers sim higher, but i really feel like shoulders are important

[manic vigil]

Depends on how much higher they sim

And on the fight I guess

Sim results always need some interpretation

[jovial kite]

975 argus belt and 970 ring 🤔 feelsgoodman

35 ilvl up

[manic vigil]

Still not good enough to beat Him tho?

[strange python]

hello everyone, i currently have three trinkets in my bags and dont know which is the best to use , 915 tempered egg of serpentrix, 915 gorshalachs legacy and a 940 seeping scourgwing

[lone junco]

@marble hemlock alac is crazy boring.

[strange python]

assassination

[heavy plover]

@strange python most likely scourgewing, but can sim it

[manic vigil]

Should sim it*

[strange python]

i never knew how to sim whats the easiest way to do so

[heavy plover]

that's what i implied, just being nice 😄

[manic vigil]

Raidbots

[heavy plover]

Raidbots.com

[marble hemlock]

yeah

but its

the secret spec

the alacrity

[manic vigil]

If you can navigate hornpub, you can sim yourself

[strange python]

lmfao

[manic vigil]

It's that easy

[marble hemlock]

it has hidden bonuses that no APL can simulate

[plain thistle]

I think the buffs (envenom, EP, T20 2p) uptime for alacrity is a little bit off, it could improve for sure

[jovial kite]

i think weak simmed to force higher uptime

and it was a loss

iirc

[plain thistle]

hmm

[jovial kite]

@warm parcel

[plain thistle]

maybe he forced too much? 🤔

[dire spoke]

if you force it, you break it

[warm parcel]

Literally best env cpndition is cp>4

[dire spoke]

[warm parcel]

Theres no clipping no uptime max nothing

[plain thistle]

hmm

[old comet]

Hi guys

[fervent beacon]

@strange python Simming yourself will provide you the best answer, but based on my knowledge, I'd run the eggs with SSW(Vers trinket)

!simc

[chrome tusk]

How to sim yourself - guide: https://goo.gl/YACUkz

Download simulationcraft: https://simulationcraft.org/
Or use Raidbots: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[lone junco]

btw, I ran some adjustments for env at 3cp. wasnt that much of a loss. I figure there are clip cases where you could do so.

[drifting crypt]

so #ENVonCD ?

[old comet]

Should i go with shoulder + feet combo if i dont have wrist?

[fervent beacon]

Shoulders will be ideally your strong legendary but again

[lone junco]

maybe not full rule when you have the time, but prob at the slow end of kb

[fervent beacon]

S I M.

[strange python]

@fervent beacon i actully was lucky enough to get an EOC its 890 but still figured keeping it is best of my four trinkets

im simming as we speak tho

[fervent beacon]

EoC will be great one, ideally you want to aim for GO(Argus trinket) and Fanged singed off the hound.

Actually, high ilvl EoC will be better than fanged for purely ST with no switching.

[spare cloud]

bb cream bababa

[strange python]

yeah im gearing this guy up via lfr aka (aids) so that i can get into normal and start stabbing shit their

[lethal hawk]

what up my rogue boyz

[dire spoke]

[old comet]

I am doing.more dps with feet + raven than shoulders + feet.. prob doing something wrong

[manic vigil]

[lethal hawk]

i dis discord for some game

[dire spoke]

yeah we discuss hello kitty adventure gameplay

[fervent beacon]

@strange python I know the feeling, I done that on my shaman 😂 M+ will be your best friend for time being as well

[lethal hawk]

ait

makes sense

great things get great discords

[manic vigil]

Who are you

[lethal hawk]

one fat nutarooney my dood

[manic vigil]

[lethal hawk]

😂 💯 🍴

[dire spoke]

u smokin doinks are yo

[lethal hawk]

howd you know zempai

[fervent beacon]

Whew, good thing you didn't use the spoon emoji

👀

[prime void]

yellow name

gross

[fervent beacon]

We don't use the forbidden spoon emoji in here.

[lethal hawk]

Skrrrt?

[fervent beacon]

And Notter the anti bully bully will come down on you.

[gaunt moat]

🥄

[strange python]

gasp

[fervent beacon]

Well, this took me by a surprise.

[lethal hawk]

anyone wanna play sum good a$$ Kahoot

[keen inlet]

bvleh

doesn't work as a pin

sadness

[lethal hawk]

but thats ok

[keen inlet]

only warning you're getting

[lone junco]

ill take that PB M&M

[manic vigil]

Let's "pin" mizu's new booty 🍆

Where should we take this kind of discussion again @keen inlet?

[keen inlet]

memes belong in #off-topic

[wise frigate]

#transmog

[manic vigil]

I was just gonna click that

[wise frigate]

Obviously.

[keen inlet]

unless they're sin

[manic vigil]

How rude

[fleet whale]

is alacrity actually a thing for assassin now or is it just a meme? Heard some people talking about it, but very few using it

[strange python]

@viscid helm help this man see the light

[fleet whale]

I just scrolled through top 500 sin parses on M Argus... one sin rogue using alacrity

[fervent beacon]

Since I been using alacrity, my env buff been up nearly all of the time, so insane energy regen with T21 overall and extra regen from the haste.

so if your mastery and crit is high enough, could be worth it, its only simming just 1% dps difference than TB but feel more smooth

[strange python]

sims about 10k difference from TB with boots/bracers for me and i dont have to worry about weird timing when im not playing bleed

[prime void]

whats your env uptime like

@fervent beacon

[plain thistle]

@fleet whale yes its a thing, but not for everyone and not every fight

[strange python]

has jhon came to the darkside?

[plain thistle]

but for some fights its really close to TB build

yes, but DON changed my name to red

[fleet whale]

Seems more like personal preference if anything

[plain thistle]

I was yellow

[viscid helm]

Should be 99% uptime on EP/Env/2pc with no mechanics

[strange python]

hence my thing in sub saying it was viable when comparing it to something other than dfa

lmao

[fervent beacon]

What Flowi said, its nearly up for me all of the time

I don't even need to pool energy anymore prior to KB.

its just up 👀

[strange python]

now #subtlety needs to find a way to not play dfa

[shrewd oriole]

Change to assa

That’s what I did

[strange python]

you arent wrong

i want so bad for the talent that isnt MFD to be viable

like some weird high uptime build

[fleet whale]

MFD? you mean DFA?

[sharp viper]

silly there are only 2 talents in that row, mfd is for pvp subs and dfa for pve subs

[fleet whale]

Master of shadows was good pre-7.2.5

i thought this new tier for sub, as terrible as i knew it would be, would favor MFD over DFA

at least the old iteration of the four piece anyway

[sharp viper]

master of shadows got changed and nerfed to pie ces

[strange python]

what alt

spriest or bust

[sharp viper]

go ww or roll home

[strange python]

high t20 is still big dick

[shrewd oriole]

Ew

[strange python]

thats fair. my spriest is like 960 but man if tanks misplace a mob or something rip the parse

[keen inlet]

Yeah my sp doesn't have nearly enough haste

[sharp viper]

shadowpriests always go full 🥄 if the boss is moved during their voidform, worse than ravagers or poisonbombs

[keen inlet]

and I'm not really feeling gearing up again

so...maybe bfa.

heh.

[strange python]

if leveling and entry gearing wasnt literal hell my frost mage would be fun

[shut willow]

I am thinking maybe mage next expac, with rogue alt. GM isn't getting me to play pally monk or druid so I can do all the things on one toon.

[manic vigil]

Sounds good to me

[strange python]

once a rogue

always a rogue.

every other spec: "wtf I'm so squishy"

[spare cloud]

watch me suck on aggrammar

self advertising

[strange python]

i like keeping my rogue at least sort of geared

because they're never 'bad' even if the damage isnt top tier

[shrewd oriole]

True

If we have space for it I’d like to reroll hunter

[strange python]

they're like resto shammies.

[shrewd oriole]

Resto whammies I anything but progress

In*

LUL

[strange python]

resto shammy and hpal in prog is so nice

[shrewd oriole]

Took a picture of resto shamans in mythic plus

Whatcha think

[strange python]

looks like sin rogue in m+ to me

[shrewd oriole]

Also true

But we can go sub

They can’t go Druid LUL

[strange python]

shaman in general in m+ is dumpster tier

[shrewd oriole]

True

[strange python]

ele is good ish but you just die

[shrewd oriole]

All of their 3 specs

Rip

But yeah main reason I’m considering hunter is cuz ranged is way better for m+

[strange python]

hunter best ranged too

[shrewd oriole]

Lots of defensives

Decent utility

Has a melee spec for farm shenanigans

[strange python]

isnt focused so much on casting

fire mage would be fun but i had the mechanic of casting mid cast

[keen inlet]

druid man

druid.

safest pick always

[shrewd oriole]

Druid is trash

Feral always sucks

Boomie is boring

Resto is good

Guardian is good but I don’t like tanking

[strange python]

mop boomy was fun

sounds like every spec in mop was fun

always see a "_____ was fun in mop"

if you had the capacity for 35 or so keybinds yes

i played shit with little keybinds

[shrewd oriole]

Mop was

[marble hemlock]

gonna be fun

when we win MDI

[shrewd oriole]

Probably the best expansion

[marble hemlock]

with assarogue+rsham

LUL

[shrewd oriole]

Sure mate

My guild is gonna win mdi

[fleet whale]

that is just the new thing people say today... MoP had some great classes though

[shrewd oriole]

D I V I N E F I E L D

I’ve said mop was the best expansion forever now?

[calm grail]

Got 980 BoE bracers off trash last nigh t.

Wont sell.

[marble hemlock]

mop had best boss-design in all its raids

[shrewd oriole]

My top 3 are mop wod and wotlk in no particular order

[marble hemlock]

i miss it 😦

[calm grail]

Wonder if I should go shoulders/boots...

[shrewd oriole]

@calm grail no

Sell them

[fleet whale]

WoD top three? Sure the raids were really nice

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

That’s all I ply the game for

[fleet whale]

but there was only two tiers of them....

[strange python]

i honestly thought shoulder boots would be they way to go when antorus came out

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t give a ratass about anything but raiding

[fleet whale]

give it another actual raid tier, and wod becomes great

[strange python]

more energy gen = more cd reduction for vend

[shrewd oriole]

It only had 3 raids

But theh were 3 very good raids

Brf is in my top 5 best raids of all time

[fleet whale]

I thought HM was meh personally but i loved BRF and HFC

[shrewd oriole]

Meanwhile

Sure legion has more raids

But they’re far worse

En? Shit

[strange python]

NH best raid this expac

[safe matrix]

If you think about the timeline of ToT to HFC

[strange python]

change my mind

[shrewd oriole]

Helya was cool

[keen inlet]

Feral sometimes tops, depends on patch.
Boomie might be boring but they're consistently a top ranged spec
bear is good
resto is good

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[safe matrix]

Those were all good raids

SoO

[shrewd oriole]

@keen inlet when was dera top?

[safe matrix]

Brf

[shrewd oriole]

Feral*

[keen inlet]

I never said top

[shrewd oriole]

Feral sometimes tops

[keen inlet]

although for a while they were in late wrath iirc...

[fleet whale]

I like Antorus and NH, ToS was annoying, EN was too easy, and ToV was too short

[shrewd oriole]

Wrath

Hmm

[safe matrix]

Antorus is boring as fuck

[keen inlet]

and then in cata, but they were tough to play then iirc

[shrewd oriole]

Antorus is trash

[keen inlet]

anyway

[shrewd oriole]

Two bosses

[keen inlet]

my point is

[safe matrix]

ToS was alright

[shrewd oriole]

Druid is consistent yeah

[keen inlet]

druid can play all roles and they're never the worst in any role

[shrewd oriole]

But I don’t enjoy boomie

[keen inlet]

they might not be best

[strange python]

consistently bad is still consistent

[keen inlet]

but they're never worst

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

Feral is the worst melee spec this tier

Hands down

[safe matrix]

Not according to aggregate scores

[keen inlet]

I want proof

[safe matrix]

But meh

[keen inlet]

of that

yeah

what Liavre said.

[shrewd oriole]

“Proof”

[keen inlet]

You're making a pretty bold and sweeping claim there

[shrewd oriole]

It’s not about dps

[keen inlet]

exactly

if you gotta put "proof" in quotes, it's not a true statement

not empirically anyway

[shrewd oriole]

It’s an opinion

[keen inlet]

or technically.

and we all know technically correct is the best kind of correct

-Futurama

[fleet whale]

Sub rogue is the worst Melee in Antours 😄 j/k j/k

[shrewd oriole]

Backed up by te amount of ferals in early kills

[calm grail]

Opinions are like feelycrafting Tom.

[keen inlet]

you said

the

f

word

[safe matrix]

Can you sim your opinion tom?

[shrewd oriole]

If you’re gonna base what classes are good by the damage they make

Then you don’t know how the game works

Lmao

[safe matrix]

I think dk is probably worse

[fleet whale]

i pretty sure feral is the spec balance goes for ST cause Balance ST is terrible

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

Dk was needed for aggramar

[nimble tartan]

dks are good as heck

[lost horizon]

I mean the only thing rets have going for them is bubble

[shrewd oriole]

Rets were great on argus

Before chain nerf

[drifting crypt]

and they are pink

that gotta be a +

[shrewd oriole]

They are about as bad as feral now

[jovial kite]

rets are still good for progress because ppl will die

[shrewd oriole]

Do you agree that ferals are the worst melees jack?

[keen inlet]

YOU NO USE F WORD HERE

[jovial kite]

definitely not

[safe matrix]

The f word? You mean "feral"?

Oh no

I just said it

monkaS

[jovial kite]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormreaver/syriof

this is our feral

try to beat him

[keen inlet]

"feelycrafting"

[shrewd oriole]

Who do you think is the worst melee then

[lone junco]

Dh really swings based on tier/oranges.
Outlaw is really bad

[fleet whale]

Surprised on one has said outlaw yet... sure you got cloak and sprint

[safe matrix]

Survival?

[drifting crypt]

survival

[jovial kite]

outlaw sub surv '':D'' frost and ud id say are way worse

[fleet whale]

but it's mobility is meh and you need to be glued on the target all the time

[shrewd oriole]

I was considering melee “classes” not specs like that

[safe matrix]

Not unholy dk?

[shrewd oriole]

I was considering the best individual spec of each class even sorry

[jovial kite]

yeah maybe not ud

[safe matrix]

They have like ams and that's it

[jovial kite]

havent seen good uds

[safe matrix]

And they're slow as fuxk

[jovial kite]

id say feral > boomkin

overall

[shrewd oriole]

Sure I’d agree

Boomie is trash this tier

They’re good on two fights and that’s about it

[safe matrix]

What's the best ranged tom

Besides add lock

[lost horizon]

🤔

[fleet whale]

spriest maybe?

[shrewd oriole]

Hunter is p good

[lost horizon]

Besides afflock? Still afflock

[fleet whale]

or hunter, for mobility and mechanics

[strange python]

never spriest

[lone junco]

our spriest is good on some, complete shit on others

I beat him on all.

ayy

[noble ingot]

if i link my logs can someone analyze them and tell me what I'm doing wrong ?

[lone junco]

that 2t coven

[strange python]

spriest can play imonar perfectly and still be shit lmao

[shrewd oriole]

Spriest is good on argus

But I’d say hunter is second best ranged imo

[fleet whale]

Mages are still a solid ranged class

[strange python]

probably afflock>mage>hunter no?

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

Afflock>hunter>mage

[strange python]

the onyl thing hunter brings over mage is playing BM

[shrewd oriole]

And damage

[lone junco]

the chart of Imps on Portals is funny

arcane

pew pew pew

[strange python]

noobe how do you feel about dropping to 5 BB for a rupture trait and 8 ilvl lmao

i feel bad that i wont this relic that i cant use

[lone junco]

I put in a Malch/mass/Shock +5ilvl. and gained 0.1%

[strange python]

hmm. might aswell sim it then

finally got my 3rd mass

[lone junco]

it was bis bis bis. and still not much up

enjoy. smooth mediocre sailing

Im running exang in M+ now. so much nicer. I just vendettafuck the priority trash, and do king deeps on the boss.

let the ret pull 8-10M on trash.

[strange python]

i ran that a few weeks ago

[hoary copper]

Ele for AOE is a lot of fun, Ele on single target not as much

[lone junco]

we normally run 2 aoe 1 st.

[strange python]

its better than trying to play shoulderpoison tbh

[lone junco]

yeah. shoulder poison just leaves me dissap.

literally bracer boot for fort trash.

fuck it.

[strange python]

i run with a feral and an afflock usually or an afflock and a frostscythe

[lone junco]

vendetta every pack on some nasty mob

[strange python]

so they melt everything

and i kill prio stuff

[hoary copper]

Feral aoe = zZzZz

BrS and watch it melt

[lone junco]

i came in like 4M st on some trash mob last night. just poked his ass in.

[strange python]

yeah and you get it like every trash pack

[lone junco]

died during the stuns.

[strange python]

vendetta exsang combo

[safe matrix]

I beat some dps when I cat weave

Feral AoE lul

[lone junco]

def not ideal, but it is what I do best.

[strange python]

huh its actually better than my 930 with BB

by like 2%

[lone junco]

grats. bb is good. not god

3v then Rupture/Malch/Env/BB depending on sim and 2nd row

once you start putting in ruptures, kiss your MPTB good bye

[strange python]

i cant remember how to play it bth

tbh

i just play alacrity instead

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qjXaNcyBsD2cup8ZrK37qp

went up 60k from yesterday lmfao wow

[brisk forge]

Not even 2m 😱😏

[strange python]

being a heroic hero is hard work

[brisk forge]

Wish i could be one aswell :/

[hoary copper]

Can I just get heroic? kthnx

[keen inlet]

going casual

isn't the right choice for everyone

but

I think a lot of ppl who complain daily/weekly/every patch

[hoary copper]

Theres a newish discord for runs for free, but its so swamped I dont think its going to go over well

[keen inlet]

would enjoy this game a lot more

if they did

@hoary copper yeah. You can only carry so much/many

demand is huge tho.

[brisk forge]

Yeah idd cant see why ppl keep playing when they obvi dont enjoy it 🤔

[hoary copper]

Yea I think demand is way more than they thought

[strange python]

i did a bit of mythic this tier and it just wasnt enjoyable, im still on the vet/officer team so like if they're in need of someone ill help but other than that i just heroic/norm and M+ a good bit

[lone junco]

just a few things to swap and youll be right there with me.

[strange python]

vers/mast ring for a crit one would be fun

gonna farm m+ this week mayb

idk who changed my name but its oddly close to what it was

thats neat

[brisk forge]

I want to be a Color to 😕

[lone junco]

you are white

[keen inlet]

what spec are you

[shrewd oriole]

I wouldn’t play this game if I played it casually

What’s the point

[brisk forge]

Posion ftw!!

[shrewd oriole]

I only enjoy Mythic progression

[keen inlet]

@shrewd oriole cool story thx for sharing

my dude

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole great point, Not everyone plays for the same reasons.

[shrewd oriole]

Nah just countering your point lol

[hoary copper]

I didnt mind mythic raiding when I was in college and had time

[shrewd oriole]

With my own personal experience

[lone junco]

zing

[polar grail]

mythic progression is maddening with the wrong group

[keen inlet]

nothing to counter there, my guy

[hoary copper]

now I work full time and I dont have the outside time with adulting to really find a group and dedicate it

[keen inlet]

we're in agreement

[strange python]

mythic prog is fun but with a bad group or a toxic group its 😴

[shrewd oriole]

I complain daily

lol

[keen inlet]

lot of READING COMPREHENSION GOING ON TODAY

[shrewd oriole]

I got what you mean

[keen inlet]

Does "a lot of people" = "everyone"

[brisk forge]

Playing 2 days mythic is the perfect fit for me and you can stil get last boss down in a decent time line 👍🏻

[shrewd oriole]

I just don’t agree

Lmao

[polar grail]

Don why you doing equations?

[shrewd oriole]

@gusty kestrel reroll inc?

[strange python]

so good for us

feelsbad

[shrewd oriole]

If you raid hardcore and you go casual I feel like this game dries up super quick

This is from my experience with friends who went casual

[keen inlet]

There's actually a ton to do in the game--just depends on what your motivation is.

[shrewd oriole]

They either quit or they went hardcore again

[hoary copper]

Tom has friends, we should pin that

[brisk forge]

Thank you for getting my life a bit more green @keen inlet 😘

[strange python]

m+ makes that go away i think

[shrewd oriole]

Aren’t we friends @hoary copper ?

😦

[polar grail]

I stopped hardcore progression and just learn other classes and their rotations, bout it for me

[shrewd oriole]

If you do m+ all day you’re not casual

[keen inlet]

And that's because for them, the challenge and the prestiege of hardcore are their motivation

but like

[shrewd oriole]

If you’re a hardcore player are you really gonna be motivated by achievements or heroic raiding

[keen inlet]

pet battling is a great example

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t think so personally

[strange python]

m+ allows you to still progress but like on your own time i guess

[keen inlet]

I'm not really motivated for it. But some people are!

[polar grail]

yeah right Don, you know you got 100+ pets at max lvl

[shrewd oriole]

You’re not understanding my point, maybe I’m not being clear

[keen inlet]

so I think sometimes people get swept up into this "hardcore/prog raiding is all that matters" mentality (because it's here, strongly, and spread a lot) and they aren't having fun with it

[hoary copper]

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Could-You-Not-Meme-Girl-Gif-During-The-Car-Ride-To-Disneyland.gif @shrewd oriole

[keen inlet]

and they keep up because "well, what else is there"

[shrewd oriole]

Nothing else

[keen inlet]

but they're unhappy

Wrong

[shrewd oriole]

There’s nothin else in this game for hardcore players

[keen inlet]

there's plenty else

Just not for you

[gaunt moat]

tbh if you didn't collect all the possible pets in the game, you didn't finish it