assassination

[turbid harbor]

but even there ww is low

[keen inlet]

in "popularity"

[strange python]

Yeah.

[turbid harbor]

i would be surprised if dh was unpopular

[safe matrix]

I wouldn't, just because it's the new class

[keen inlet]

That's my own bias, there

[strange python]

I mean, if you're gonna count classes at 110, DH is probably gonna be top.

[keen inlet]

I dislike its aesthetic, the playfeel, and generally view it as an unnecessary meme class

That's valid, starting at 100

[strange python]

But how much it's actually being played

idk

[shrewd oriole]

The type of people who post on the wow forums generally don’t really understand the game

[keen inlet]

same thing with DKs in WotLK

[shrewd oriole]

They just regurgitate shit they read elsewhere

[turbid harbor]

it was most popular in logs by a large margain until antorus

havoc that is

and it's super casual friendly

[shrewd oriole]

Think it’s affli now

[turbid harbor]

start at high lvl and hunt demons

yea it's affli now by quite a bit

[strange python]

https://realmpop.com/eu.html yeah if you look at something like this, and get classes 110 - 110 instead of all classes, DH is the most amount at 110.
But this doesn't really say anything about classes that are actively being played.

[keen inlet]

I wish blizz would do polls

[strange python]

Like I have a 110 mage, but I haven't touched it since the start of the xpac.

So gotta that that data with a pinch of salt.

[keen inlet]

like big, public polls

about favorite and/or mainspec class

[shrewd oriole]

That’d be terrible tho

You’d get the opinion of people who don’t understand the game

[keen inlet]

Eh, it's not gospel truth, just a window into things

I'm actually okay with that

[strange python]

I've been lock main since EN this xpac, but it's def not been my most favourite class this xpac.

[shrewd oriole]

Who don’t understand why RTB is inherently a flawed ability for example

[keen inlet]

An ultra casual's subjective opinion of what class is awesome is just as valid as my informed subjective opinion

[shrewd oriole]

Valid to who?

Blizzard? Sure. Cuz they care about cash

[turbid harbor]

ultra casuals are the majority, so it makes sense in terms of sales

[keen inlet]

To me! I want to know what people like.

[shrewd oriole]

Oh god

[keen inlet]

Not just my bubble

[turbid harbor]

in terms of hours played it makes less sense

[shrewd oriole]

I thought discord moderating would be enough for you to realize most people are

Uhhh

[keen inlet]

If it came back that DHes were wildly popular

[shrewd oriole]

The r word

[keen inlet]

I'd shut up about them 🙃

[shrewd oriole]

I personally think DHs feel a lot better now

[keen inlet]

I don't think anybody on here is "the r word," and you know my feelings on such things

[shrewd oriole]

Demonic build is actually amazing to play

[turbid harbor]

if you have the helmet

[safe matrix]

?????????

The amount of sass from tom

[turbid harbor]

not touching mine until i get it

[shrewd oriole]

True

Legendários btw haHAA

[turbid harbor]

yea it kinda sucks

[shrewd oriole]

But I think most of the people in the real world aren’t particularly smart so of course that translate to game communities

[safe matrix]

The collectivity of forums tilts me

[shrewd oriole]

The only games that have mostly knowledgeable players playing the game are the non mainstream games

Shit like poe, since the barrier to entry is so large most people are turned away

Therefore it sorta curates itself

[zealous dew]

I took a nap and had a beautiful dream, I saw a rogue doing dmg in M+, then I woke up

sad panda

[safe matrix]

It's ur fault for being a panda rouge

😡

[calm grail]

I don't touch my Demon Hunter too often, but he does have the helm and the shoulders. Would like the ring too at some point. His crit is relatively low though so it feels like potato during that window.

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole i ran the chaos build with Shoulder/bracer, and man that was lame/boring/shit

the beam seems a lot more interactive

I dont have 4p21, but it might be neat to run in M+ if I can get the hat for trash.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

I think our dhs have like 60% uptime on demon form

That’s pretty cool

[lone junco]

no fucking way will i ever do that EN dash build

[shrewd oriole]

It’s visually gratifying

[lone junco]

fuck that triangle dashing

[shrewd oriole]

Lmao yeah

I hated the NH and tos builds too

Current build is 👌

[lone junco]

I booted a dh from our ursoc mythic pulls. cause the bitch got clipped every fucking time

yeh.

[fervent goblet]

I main Veng, play havoc occasionally. Meta uptime is what makes it cool. Other than that, it's still a 2 button rotation, while throwing eye beam in there when up.

And even with helm, still very reliant on rng souls.

[lone junco]

I love DH tank. It "feels" fun, specifically in 5man

[fervent goblet]

Yeah it's my favorite. Most fun I've had in quite awhile with a class/spec.

[lone junco]

I dont have time to play all the classes I want at good ilvl/orange, but i would like to run some 15+ as dhtank

[strange python]

I've been hearing that a lot recently.

That people love the DH tank.

[lone junco]

the double leap with mass grip and blazing aoe.

👌

makes hpal horse a fucking joke.

[strange python]

Pal in general is a joke.

[fervent goblet]

I've got mine to 973, with mythic+ TF and leggos. Only heroic pieces are tier for 4pc for mythic+ and diimas.

[lone junco]

Im really enjoying Hpal in 5s. Best toolkit i think they have ever had.

[fervent goblet]

I don't play my DH tank much anymore outside of pushing keys.. Antorus is boring as hell for tanks..

Mythic raid with my hpal

[lone junco]

and when its not boring, I bet tanking coven is a shit show

and aggramar

[fervent goblet]

Probably on mythic. I'm sure. I haven't touched mythic with him. Probably would be just fine with my gear tho.

[strange python]

I think antorus in general has been boring.

[lone junco]

ok. hpal. raid. what is the best use of sanc combo? I have been trying to Prep a shock judge Sanc / flash / cone.

[strange python]

Just like ToS.

[fervent goblet]

If it's big damage, I will usually pop wings right before AM

[lone junco]

a few times, my shit is on cd, and i sanc and watch the druid tanq

[fervent goblet]

And then shock, FoLx3, LoD, and usually can get 1 more shock in

Could be worse, could have a monk revival your AM....

Lol

[lone junco]

I have judge ring so ill put that judge prior, but that sounds really good

[fervent goblet]

Oh yeah of course

[hoary copper]

You're not using ILT right?

[lone junco]

i have been cheesing shoulders. makes me lol

[fervent goblet]

I haven't been lucky. So I run prydaz/Velens. But i want Jewel and High fathers

So I can run the typical Prydaz/jewel/HF/Eonars

[hoary copper]

I havent had a high fathers drop. I have terastone and Sea Star

That sea star (even if its 885) is stil 6% of my healing

[lone junco]

I put beacon on me and 1 tank. keep the bestow faith on myslf, and spam Martyr on non beacon tank. The shoulders push to me and 2nd tank. seemsgood

[hoary copper]

BoF instead of BoV in m+?

or do you mean raid

[lone junco]

thats normy alt raid

[hoary copper]

ah

[lone junco]

(BoV is so fucking nice)

[fervent goblet]

I am still learning t hougb. I've never raided with the hpal lol. This is a first and straight into mythic.

[lone junco]

Flash/Bov Shock DING full group

[hoary copper]

I put BoF on both tanks then I dont have to heal either. Judgement LOD Martry Shock FoL

[fervent goblet]

960. Competing with mythic healers. I sit around 1mil slightly over.

[hoary copper]

Im running myraad tho

[lone junco]

seems good. as long as you can get a good sac round

[fervent goblet]

Should only martyr if they are about to die and shock is on CD tho

[lone junco]

ofc. martyr is just cheese.

[hoary copper]

Myraad makes martyr not so bad tho

[fervent goblet]

I just raid with the hpally.. nothing else. Mainly cuz it's what the guild needs, and I'm all about support.

[lone junco]

I kept up with our restoshm in a run. so that was ok.

[hoary copper]

as bad

[warm parcel]

We back bois

[fervent goblet]

Outside of raid I've been putting more time into the boosted rogue and pushing keys on the DH

[warm parcel]

any tldr from todays shenanigans

[lone junco]

tbh, I dont miss hpal main raid. I dont want to be 100% required attendance. Flex is king, and I dont like stopping progress with a afk

[hoary copper]

I just got into a heroic/progressing mythic guild with my hpally (thanks to @solid field ) so it will be interesting. HPally is the only healer I like

[shrewd oriole]

@warm parcel guitar and spoon are officially banned

[hoary copper]

they got banned?

[shrewd oriole]

Yep*

[hoary copper]

There was shenanigans in transmog chat too

[fervent goblet]

Only downfall I don't like about Hpally.. is I really like aoe healing. Don't get much of that with the pally

[crystal fox]

giggle is gonna be sad if there's no more spoons

[safe matrix]

It was big daddy stjern who banned them too

[lone junco]

Meh. We run HolyPriest, Druid, Shm. plenty of aoe to go around.

[hoary copper]

Tyrs and Sanc make it fairly decent and BoV for dungeons is OP.

[shrewd oriole]

No no no

[warm parcel]

meh

[lone junco]

I love LOVE the 12M flash option.

[shrewd oriole]

It was stjern who announced the ban

He didn’t ban it himself

[fervent goblet]

Biggest FoL I've gotten to proc was around 18mil.

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t throw poor stjern under the bus here

[safe matrix]

Kill the messenger

[lone junco]

just dont call people retarded

[hoary copper]

I never look at my FoL

[fervent goblet]

But I've seen some hit around 30mil. Which is overkill but still

[lone junco]

ez answer

[safe matrix]

He said it monkaS

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[lone junco]

@fervent goblet tbh, mechanics like the frost on Coven, seem to make it gold.

[hoary copper]

I love shock so much tho with hpally

[shrewd oriole]

Ban 😡 all 😡 emojis 😡

[safe matrix]

Also acoustic is banned too

[lone junco]

ayy

[strange python]

@shrewd oriole

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[lone junco]

I got a 900 sea star from a normy pug. So its doing a lot of work

[boreal ingot]

Just coming back to wow after 6 months. At 110 920 ilvl about what should my average damage be?

[hoary copper]

That trinket is OP

[fervent goblet]

Yeah I finally got the Pantheon so could drop my sea star

[safe matrix]

Sim it

We don't know what your gear is

But you Chan sim your expected dps output

[hoary copper]

whats the other you're running? high father?

[lone junco]

@Sklounst#1560 850k - 1.0 would be reasonable.

I got a 935 crit stick from the vendor 💪

[boreal ingot]

Good to know ty

[lone junco]

@Sklounst#1560 try raidbots.com quick sim. its a better tool than guessing

[fervent goblet]

Nah I run Velens/Pantheon

[lone junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/quick

[boreal ingot]

Ooh I'll cheek that out thanks

[safe matrix]

I'll just dm you how to get started

[hoary copper]

Ah yea thats a good combo

I need to do a heroic ToS see if I can get it to drop

did normal/LFR hoping for a drop and TF

[lone junco]

@hoary copper you got in a mythic guild as pally after a few days of trying?

hrrm. when my guild takes their 6month break I could do that, if there were any 2day raids

[hoary copper]

Im on trial, they're 1/11 so just getting their feet wet

[lone junco]

need a rogue?

[hoary copper]

they're a 2 day

[lone junco]

lol

[shrewd oriole]

Why is your guild taking a 6 months break

[hoary copper]

I tried as my rogue but they needed an hpally and I have one lol

till bfa I'd guess

[lone junco]

we killed argus (H) so end of expac farm is irrelevant. We will run alts and M+, but it becomes optional.

[shrewd oriole]

Fair

[lone junco]

if they drop a small 3boss, we will be in place for that. but otherwise. /sleep and prep toons for BFA

[safe matrix]

My guild is dying I think

[lone junco]

green 114gear beats mythic argus

[safe matrix]

But I like the people in it ._.

[lone junco]

flex keeps things chill.

12-28 w/e

[shrewd oriole]

I’m sure there’s other guilds where you could find people you liked lul

[hoary copper]

Im just hoping I dont screw up this healing thing in raid. I feel so rusty and not good lol

[lone junco]

plus i need like 6months to study for my eng test.

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t agree with the sentiment of staying in shit guild out of loyalty but I respect it

[strange python]

People study for English tests?

[lone junco]

@hoary copper just remember to tag shock to the end of your casts, instead of cold instants

[shrewd oriole]

Engineering

[strange python]

Now I feel dumb.

[lone junco]

professional engineering. like the bar for lawyers

[strange python]

Well... dumber.

[shrewd oriole]

The bar is easy

[lone junco]

I guess. I saw that one guy took it 400 times

and passed.

[hoary copper]

Just shock everything!

[strange python]

400 times

[safe matrix]

Engineering is easy too

[shrewd oriole]

What a smart fella

Engineering isn’t easy

[safe matrix]

Just the work load zzz

[lone junco]

the point is, you never know how good your lawyer might actually be

[shrewd oriole]

That makes it not easy

[safe matrix]

Nah the material is aight

[lone junco]

civil you can only take it like 3 times

[shrewd oriole]

Not saying law is easy, law is tough

[safe matrix]

The amount of work is shite

[boreal ingot]

I leveled my engineering..... never again

[shrewd oriole]

But the bar isn’t really hard

[lone junco]

@Sklounst#1560 new expac new carrot

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve practiced it a bunch

I found the lnat and the lsat harder

[boreal ingot]

@Noobe... of course....i forgot

[lone junco]

engineering tests are only hard for the subjects you dont use everyday. LIke not using differential eqns for 6 years, and then doing advanced circuits

specifically im a water guy. so steel design will make my eyes cross.

[shrewd oriole]

Rip

[safe matrix]

But engineering isn't that bad

[lone junco]

sure, I passed didnt i

ayy

[shrewd oriole]

Liavre

Someone is talking to you on sub channel

[fervent goblet]

@hoary copper As long as there is healing needed. Shock on CD, LoD on Cd(Rule of Law if needed), FoL with Infusion procs, Martyr if about to die and Shock on CD. Dont hold onto your CDs also. Have enough of them that can weave them and use em on CD.

[safe matrix]

I'm making breakfast

Cmon man

[lone junco]

I heard dont wings on sac unless it is a major

[hoary copper]

I try to do the Judgement Rule LoD Shock FoL as often as I can

[lone junco]

like it would be overkill

[shrewd oriole]

@safe matrix the bullying is 24/7

[lone junco]

flash into shocks. flash into lod. cold GCDs will burn your output

[hoary copper]

I switched from DP to HA, idk if I like it better but at least I dont get procs when I dont need them

cold gcd?

never heard it put like that

[shrewd oriole]

That guy is so cute he’s like “you’re 980 in my heart <3” @safe matrix

[fervent goblet]

DP is just easier.. as its less button, and can be good if procced.

But you really only need to flash into your shocks if you have the Lotp up.

To beef up the next Shock.

[hoary copper]

Paladin does feel a little button bloated compared to the others

[fervent goblet]

Lots of buttons

For sure

[hoary copper]

I'm like what the hell do I do with all this? Need to rearrange later for HA maybe switch it with where BF is. I'm awful at using BF but I know I need to use it

[fervent goblet]

I am too. I forget about it alot.. I have been playing around with Lights Hammer though.

Easier to manage.

[shrewd oriole]

Healers 😴

[hoary copper]

Still another button

[safe matrix]

Resto Durid 4 lyfe

[fervent goblet]

Definitely the easiest of the healers

lol

[hoary copper]

I dont like druid healing now. I have all the healers at 110 and they're prob my least favorite

[shrewd oriole]

= healer players no space

https://www.twitch.tv/methodjosh

Josh is gonna play the seducer game

Lmao

[hoary copper]

rDruid, HPriest, MW (I havent played in a while), DPriest, rShaman, HPal (Least to most fav). Disc is fun but I suck at it

[safe matrix]

rDruid is so good

I get to jump while healing

[crystal fox]

should totally name a druid vanhealsing

[shrewd oriole]

Go watch the stream @safe matrix I promise you’ll laugh

[safe matrix]

I can't watch the seducer game at all

It's too cringe

[shrewd oriole]

Dude

This is double cringe

Josh is the most socially inapt person

Playing the cringiest game

It’s golden

[safe matrix]

I think I would die of cringe tbh

Second hand cringe

[somber cipher]

ocean man

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole I did a guild survey. Most are at like 300-500 days. Have one guy at 1300 combined. I think it made him cry to total it up.

[shrewd oriole]

Lmao

[strange python]

1300 days

[crystal fox]

i've played nonstop for 13 years 🤷

[lone junco]

I skipped cata and panda. so most of my time is vanilla/bc. prob 200 there, and 50 wod 50 legion. Phone app dailies helps.

plus group finder and lfr tools made the downtime far more efficient. Jumping in org/ironforge waiting for groups was a time sink.

Plus spamming pvp doesnt get you shit for gear, so no reason to do it.

[warm parcel]

I might get pub logs now 🤔

Fear me

[drifting crypt]

😱

[vestal wren]

alacrity is comming

[plain thistle]

♿

[dire spoke]

hello

[zenith cloak]

what's the opener using boots bracers and NS?

[spare cloud]

[lone junco]

@zenith cloak garrote

thb, shoulders or not, this is still a good opener.

3 env during tb, and full env uptime for the Kb. alls well.

then later in rotation use vanish into rupture.

[zenith cloak]

ive been doing garrote>mut>rupt>mut>mut>vanish+rupture>TB>KB is that a bad opener?

[lone junco]

yes. that is closer to the exang . do that one I posted.

or the one from the APL

[zenith cloak]

ok ill try that one out thanks

are boots and wrists better than wrist shoulders?

[lone junco]

depends

that is apl. so the kicker is the mut mut env. vs shoulder open, but the prio is the same

you really should sim your own gear setup for Shoulder/bracer or bracer/boot.

this is mine.

[zenith cloak]

im getting back into rogue after i stopped playing it so im just tryna catch up

im fresh out of mythic ToS gear

[lone junco]

bracer boot requires crit. shoulders let you slide with less.

[onyx falcon]

noobe you guild start M prog yet?

cause you cleared H right?

[lone junco]

wanted too, but 2 people said /no

[onyx falcon]

lul why

[lone junco]

so that leaves us running like 15-17.

off to a bad start

[eager hearth]

Bench them

[onyx falcon]

recruit more pplz

• wut ilvl you at now?

[lone junco]

im 957-965

depending

[onyx falcon]

ah nice

[lone junco]

good pulls like 2.05-2.13

I think ill just run hpal and take an alt team from normy through heroic argus.

actual main goal of 20+ in all 5s

[onyx falcon]

speaking of which, forgot i havent simmed myself in a while

[lone junco]

I should prob just boost a druid. would be nice to get some practice in before bfa. I think ill need a more flexible toon.

[keen inlet]

I have a 110 alliance druid and a 100 horde druid

but I want a zandalari druid, I know for certain

u n l u c k y

[solid field]

Zandalari look so good.

Like imo Horde >>>> Alliance in the allied races

[spare cloud]

No

When Zandalaris come out, yes

[civic palm]

inb4 another alliance allied race is revealed and then all of a sudden horde sucks

👋

[swift oak]

What do you use as legendaries on trash in a mm+ 18/19 and above ?

[keen inlet]

I mean

idk

besides jinyu and hozen nothing else jumps out at me for allied races, unless maghari/upright orcs go alliance

[lost horizon]

Jinyu/hozen would be lit

[keen inlet]

dark iron dwarves aren't gonna be "special" enough to compete with zandalari, imo

[solid field]

Nope.

I hope bear druids get stronger, playing a stegosaurus looking tank would be awesome.

[keen inlet]

hah

You don't want to be a gila monster esque "cat" ?

[solid field]

maybe, yea.. or a rapter travel form..

I'll just stay in travel form all the time

[lone junco]

@swift oak shoulder bracer.

[solid field]

"HEY!, WHYS YOUR DPS 0"

travel form, duh

[lone junco]

@zealous dew how good is moonkin vs lock in current meta for trash?

[zealous dew]

the only friend i had for m+

just ditched me

c00l

[spare cloud]

[lone junco]

im prob going to boost druid for bfa. would be nice to get some practice in. thinking resto.moonkin for some legion M+

[lethal heart]

moonkin is probably better

pure dpswise

[lone junco]

solar beam silence looked neat for large caster packs.

[safe matrix]

They're really legendary dependent right now

[lethal heart]

moonkin is weird though

[zealous dew]

moonkin is great

lock is better

[lethal heart]

weird i mean

[safe matrix]

You need like 4

[lethal heart]

its hard to find a really really really amazing one

[lone junco]

ive always hated the idea of druid tbh. but I only have time for 1 main. and gearing offspecs is >>>>>> alts for actual play.

[lethal heart]

but when you find one

they do absurd dps

[zealous dew]

just think HS how much money you save

[lethal heart]

absolutely absurd

yesterday i was doing votw and we did usual 2 packs + miniboss and boomkin did 25 mil dps im like ????

how the fuckj

[zealous dew]

just get 2pb and you do 25 as well

[lethal heart]

nah

dont think so tbh

[lone junco]

I like that my rogue has damn near bis, for all 3 specs.

[zealous dew]

yeah

[lethal heart]

maybe 25 burst

but not at the end of pack

[lone junco]

ive NEVER peaked over 20m

maybe 12

[lethal heart]

hmm you can do more than 20

you just need lucky concordance proc

[zealous dew]

nobody does 25 sustained

[lethal heart]

it makes huge difference i can see that

[lone junco]

conc procs on open

[lethal heart]

yea

[lone junco]

bomb bomb

[lethal heart]

maybe maybe idk

[zealous dew]

I did a cath 21

[lone junco]

but im never lucky enough for them to stand the fuck still for 2 shoulder bombs

[zealous dew]

overall boomkin was 3.18

mine was 2.97

[lone junco]

and ranged > melee.

So win i guess

[zealous dew]

yeah ranged is insane

oh and he never took an orb

me and lock on orb duty

[lone junco]

I heard moonkin was stupid simple aka boring.

I love boring.

[safe matrix]

Eh

[zealous dew]

yeah it's dumb as fuck

[lone junco]

I would play aff if it had a flex.

[zealous dew]

tbh play lock, much better

[lone junco]

but alas

Im planning bfa as well.

I need time to get good at something

[zealous dew]

i'd go monk

they're fun

[lone junco]

My fire mage is sitting. was never impressed.

[zealous dew]

or lock if ranged

[lone junco]

I dont like their heals.

I could prob use moonkin to be better raid lead tho. So hard to see stuff as rogue

[zealous dew]

BM hunter

😄

[shrewd notch]

lol i know that feel, i raid lead as rogue

it's not toooooo bad

[lone junco]

tbh, I was glad to be rogue, kept me from flexing in every single fucking group

thats what druid would be

[zealous dew]

yeah

braindead spec/class

but does aoe dmg

[keen inlet]

I think Monk is a good gamble

They were only briefly go-to tanks in legion, and then their WW dps was bin until the final tier

I feel like they will get love in bfa

[zealous dew]

worst case you can always tank

and get 200m hits without probs

[keen inlet]

I was thinking Shaman, but I really want to have options. So it's gonna be druid/monk probably

I'd consider pally (I think prot pally's gonna get love too) but ret....................

[solid field]

Druid is and probably always gonna be the best hybrid

[zealous dew]

tank is boring

healer is god

kin is boring

feral is 😄

[lone junco]

I want to hear about hasted bleeds for feral in bfa though.

Not mad to stay melee, if I have options.

[solid field]

Shouldn't their bleeds work similar to rogues?

as in more ticks during duration.

[lone junco]

i assume they will. Just will keep that on the back burner incase they are good.

Im bummed that I never got my mage up sooner. we should have been running alt runs all expac.

[dark crag]

does tb buff envenom?

[solid field]

Yes

[lone junco]

yes

the damage not the buff.

[dark crag]

thats what i mean

[solid field]

I have a 60 mage i haven't touched in 8 years. I was wanting to boost him up with my left over 100 boost I haven't ever used. Just not sure I want to invest that much time into an alt. They do look hella fun though as fire.

[zealous dew]

fire is good

[lone junco]

dragon breath is prob amazing in m+

our mage runs arcane. and its good aoe, but he needs bop at times.

his 15sec burst is insane though. aka Seat last boss 10sec vuln window

hard cast pyro could prob fit in there nicely though

[solid field]

I'd say helm/sephuz would be good for fire mage

in M+

have a good weekend gents and ladies. i'll see yuns on monday. Work day is over.

[zealous dew]

take care

[lone junco]

lol

oh man. so much time.

[uneven belfry]

anyone know where i can find an good crucible weigth string?

[drifting crypt]

herodamage.com

[uneven belfry]

hmm couldnt find it i look again then, thx

[drifting crypt]

go to the relic sims, there you should find the string

[uneven belfry]

found it thx 😃

[zealous dew]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[zenith cloak]

im looking at logs and stuff for mythic antorus and i see almost every rogue using bracers shoulders

[warm parcel]

Thats what gets you logs

[lone junco]

yeah. top logs are not a high average result. Top logs are high top end results.

[zenith cloak]

someone in my guild is strongly fighting for mantle is better in every way

[shrewd oriole]

For logs, it is

[lone junco]

are they a rogue?

if they are not a rogue, you tell them :shhhh:

and you can pick what is best for you and the fight

[zenith cloak]

nah they not a rogue but he's arguing prolly for validation

[safe matrix]

🤷

[lone junco]

if you need a log review, post it here. but sim averages is for bell curve. If you rather have a low avg, and high upper quartile, then play shoulders.

high peaks are fun. but low bomb % gives you limp dick.

[safe matrix]

I might just switch to boots

I'm never lucky with poison bomb

[lone junco]

my fav was the guy complaining about low pb %, = low dps. but he had 22% crit. duh.

[safe matrix]

N E V E R L U C K Y

[drifting crypt]

i had 2.9% pb dmg yesterday on garothi 😏

[safe matrix]

Is 32% without shadow singed low?

Same

I legit had like two poison bombs on garothi this week

I have a 960 SSF but I dunno what my crit is when I proc it

[lone junco]

my best garothi is 6% bomb. it was like 180k over sim at that time.

[slender smelt]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[warm geode]

hi, xD could someone , if know, answer to me one question... how do i know the real weight withoud food to know witch one is better?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/csj5Ptfy7fu8gbt4DuMkfC

using this weights 375 mastery > 500 agi but is using agi food so the weight without food for agi would be higher then 34.99

[lone junco]

@safe matrix my ssf is worth like 3%

overall

[zenith cloak]

he's saying that if boots were the better option then how are out of 100 people only 2 using boots

[lone junco]

@warm geode just 375x50(mastery weight) or 500x35(agi weight) pick the higher one.

you can change the food in the apl script if you use advanced.

[warm geode]

ik dat but this weights r using agi food so the real weight is not that one

humm, do u know the script?

[vestal wren]

copy=food
food=name_of_food

[warm geode]

ty

[lone junco]

yes copy

[shrewd oriole]

@zenith cloak shoulders bracers are bis for logs

They have the highest ceiling

Boots are still good, they just don’t have such a high ceiling

[lone junco]

@zenith cloak shoulder/bracer and bracer/boots are both good. Boots really help longer fights. Shoulders shine at 2:30 min fights.

and it depends on your gear A LOT.

[warm geode]

if u look by statistics u dont want to use shoulder, the best would be 1% crit chance and thoses 1% crit 100% of the time, but for the parses the we have yes, shoulders r bis with pb procs inside

[lone junco]

if you dont have crit, bracer/boots is going to suck.

[shrewd oriole]

You will still do good dps with bracers boots for example but you have those crazy explosive moments less often

[vestal wren]

darkmoon feast is not supported, so if you want to sim that you need to take the normal food

[drifting crypt]

darkmoon feast gives you 1% vers, so you could just sim without food and +1% vers

[lone junco]

@zenith cloak if someone is harping you about shoulders, maybe your dps sucks. and they need you to do better. that being said, post a log, and someone can review

[shrewd oriole]

I personally am an advocate of shoulders bracers for shit like farm

[vestal wren]

you can use the other darkmoon food

it gives same stats

[warm geode]

is more "easy" to have shouders with pb procs inside 100% buff > decent procs overall with boots>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1% crit chance with high rng to proc alot and pass ur stats to mast and vers with boots

[safe matrix]

No

[lone junco]

private logs are an Insignificant sample size.

[vestal wren]

(lemon herb filet)

[lone junco]

period

[shrewd oriole]

Not true

[safe matrix]

There's just more variance with the mantle/wrist build

[shrewd oriole]

Lmao

[lone junco]

VERY true

[shrewd oriole]

Not true at al noobe

Majority of good players private log

[safe matrix]

So instead of a nice hill, the variance curve turns into a sombrero

[shrewd oriole]

You’re way off

[lone junco]

via wcl. Insgnificant sample size

from their dev

[shrewd oriole]

Mate

[lone junco]

bro

[shrewd oriole]

If all the good players are private logging

Then it’s clearly relevant lmao

[drifting crypt]

but not all good players are private logging

[shrewd oriole]

Majority are

[safe matrix]

h-he's naming a source, no one has ever done that before

nani the fuck

[lone junco]

more than 50%?

[shrewd oriole]

I’d easily say more than 50% of top 250 guilds private log

[lone junco]

thats not Sample size. thats picking bell curve

[drifting crypt]

you can actually check that @shrewd oriole

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah manually go guild by guild

[warm geode]

the point of discursion is better dps , so we need the best loggs the we can get, but they r , most of the time, private, -> is relevant .-.

[shrewd oriole]

That’s just incorrect

Noobe, just look at the people from this chat who are on good guilds

[safe matrix]

I mean the dev of wcl would probably have a good idea on this though

[shrewd oriole]

I private log, flowi and weak private log, jack private logs

[zenith cloak]

@lone junco i have no logs on my rogue as of now i just started palying it again today after 9 months of no rogue, my guildy is just letting me know that bracers and shoulders are better p much no matter what

[warm geode]

@lone junco if u want to take overall data yeah u can use ur argumment, but u want the best, if the best is marjory private u r just wrong

[lone junco]

argus mythic logs is not a representative log

and btw, BEST players, dont have BEST rng.

[shrewd oriole]

No but looking at the log of a bad player with good rng wont teach you anytbing

[warm geode]

u cant afirm that

they r private .-.

[lone junco]

anyone in here, active, best doesnt make a dent in these numbers.

[shrewd oriole]

Even if you just take this very discord as anecdotal evidence, all high ranked rogues here private log

[drifting crypt]

Honestly doesnt private log @shrewd oriole

do you think they are bad?

😦

[shrewd oriole]

I did say majority, not everyone

Lmao

[lone junco]

some do, some dont. but you use words like "all" and "most" and "majority:

mythic argus is probably that way

@zenith cloak shoulder bracer are very good. need high mastery. enjoy.

[dire spoke]

I WANT THAT BUMBLEBEE MOUNT

[safe matrix]

🐝

[shrewd oriole]

I hope it’s a reward for not clicking

[dire spoke]

👺

[lone junco]

tbh, with 10k parses of sin rog alone, on mythic garothi. what 12 or 120 people do or dont, isnt significant.

[warm parcel]

yes and no

[warm geode]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pnFUWzvH47zKc1kaJXnrrv worth to pay for 2k increase dps .-. mastery food > agi food for me .-.

?

[lone junco]

and when we look at 30k + for heroic, there is plenty of sample. and looking at Max alone is prob not a great plan.

but we jerk off to the high end.

[shrewd oriole]

10k players but how many of those are clickers like zempai

[drifting crypt]

@warm parcel save us 🙏

[lone junco]

probably plenty of people with 970 ilvl that are still clickers that beat me from ilvl alone :cheers:

[shrewd oriole]

Get good

[lone junco]

hell, you were vanish mut until like a week ago

[warm parcel]

As you said.
Most priv loggers would yank the top parses

So its not qute following the curve

[shrewd oriole]

^

[turbid harbor]

idk if that's true

[shrewd oriole]

Look at heroic

[lone junco]

most private logs is VERY different than
most logs are private

[shrewd oriole]

Look at who takes top parses

Then look at mythic

[warm parcel]

I get that priv logs are a minority

They still would affect overall stats

[shrewd oriole]

A minority overall

[warm geode]

@lone junco sry my english at first, but i dont get it ur point, u agree the some(50%ish) of top players( skilled ) use private log, and yet say the for trying weight the better options ( for dps ) u want to ignore the we dont have enought information because we have a good amount of the "better" logs private, if u could resume ur point

[shrewd oriole]

But a majority within top guilds

[turbid harbor]

i think it's a stretch

[shrewd oriole]

So it is relevant

[drifting crypt]

you can just look through the top rogue parses on argus and spot a handful of top 50 guilds on the first look

[lone junco]

@warm geode I appreciate the opinions over good players over good logs. and they play an array of builds. Public logs however, show the Max. not the high averages. so people will gravitate to the Shoulder/bracer because it populates the top 100.

Point being, looking at the top end of a bell curve, and expecting better than average results, is not necessarily a good plan. Definitely a good starting point, but not the bis of all bis.

@warm parcel i see that the top end players are truncated from the mythic logs. but "most" and "all" and "significant" are math words to me, and not to tom.

[shrewd oriole]

Most means exactly the same to me as it does to you

I didn’t say all

[lone junco]

as my contract law professor would say "words mean things"

is there a way to see global statistics like Mythic Argus cutting edge?

[warm geode]

well, could u explain the graph, cuz from my point of view u r trying to show the the average have the highers dps? correct me if im wrong, with that my point is

the average of a good player is higher then a average play by logic, so u can say to the if a good player have good rng will be better then a average play, the only point the im making is, we cant have for sure what is the top parse because the best players ( can or can not have good/amazing rng ) have private logs, and from what im undestanding u r saying the we have the top parse from this amount of public logs

[turbid harbor]

i think it's a bit dishonest to say the "best" players private log

there are 3 types of guilds; those who log publically, those who log privately, and those who log publically after progress is done

[warm geode]

as we talked before, is not every "best" player have private log, but a decent amount of thoses 250 top guilds have private logs

[jovial kite]

what was the initial argument here

[turbid harbor]

there are many top guilds, and top players, in both public logging full time and public logging after progress

[jovial kite]

sorry, came home from a hockey game and im completely lost

and

a little bit tipsy

[shrewd oriole]

Nice

[jovial kite]

could someone fill me in ?

[shrewd oriole]

Hockey poggers

[warm geode]

@turbid harbor the point the we a just saying against @lone junco PoV is the we dont have enought information, i think this is a pretty reasonable thing to say

[jovial kite]

ill have to disagree with that statement noobe

you currently have rank 1 aggra m which isnt played at all

privately logged

but proven to be rank 1 alac

so it is significant already

[turbid harbor]

ad damage btw

[jovial kite]

irrelevant

[turbid harbor]

nobody cares about aggramar logs

relevant

[lone junco]

statistically significant is different from emotionally significant to you

[jovial kite]

i dont give a fuck about logs overall

but i can use it as my example

so stfu if u got 0 substance

[lone junco]

conv was started about Shoulder/bracer being best for all cases, because it populates the top 100.

[warm geode]

that scale quickly @_@

[lone junco]

this is enough backup for me though.

wcl dev.

[jovial kite]

being best depends on what you think is best

[turbid harbor]

i could solo the ads as a sin rogue, log it privately, and then say that log is relevant?

[jovial kite]

max potential or max average

[warm geode]

like i say u can take a average of that information u cant take the best

[lone junco]

max avg / max potential is a great conv.

just saying that w/r/t the summary statistics, public logs are a good representation of the population

^

[warm geode]

lets assume the 99% of the logs r publics, we can take an average of the dps with a good amount of probability the we r right but the same goes to "the best parse/build" we cant assume the we already have the best information cuz this 1% can have the best information

is math .-.

[strange python]

do u guys rapture 2 targets on coven

or keep to one sister

[jovial kite]

yes

[strange python]

is the walk over worth it

[drifting crypt]

use sprint/step if you are lazy

[warm geode]

@strange python dont try to rupture the second target when u have a cd up on the primary target(vendetta/kb/tb)

[jovial kite]

nevertheless, disregarding private logs means you most likely draw median

and not average

if you're looking at max parses

[warm geode]

^ my mistake

to make avg u need all samples

[jovial kite]

yeah... if you want 100% accurate results you need to know the private logs too

hence they are significant

but if you draw median you can say they are insgnificant

[warm geode]

back to my problem, how do i get stats weight using mastery food?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u5UnWP1nFgrWRkzFQYSpaB

[plush jetty]

scroll all the way down to the bottom

and change food=

[warm parcel]

Its not even that

Lets say all top loggers were exsang

But cause theyre hidden

The mass population doesnt go for exsang

And it again skews it a lot

This happened in tos

Until chinese came and crushed assa logs with exsang

[jovial kite]

yeah idd weak

[warm parcel]

And suddenly #assassination full of exsang

[warm geode]

@plush jetty

[turbid harbor]

that is a good example that i wasn't aware of because i was playing sub

using an aggramar log as an example, on the other hand, is a joke

[jovial kite]

you stuck to the fact that i said aggramar

and not to the point i was making

the point was exactly the same what weak said

🤷🏿

[turbid harbor]

that's not true

your example isolated a case that nobody should care about, and was aggressive while doing so

[jovial kite]

why shouldnt anyone care about it

rank 1 is alac

but you dont see it in the logs

[turbid harbor]

i'll convince my raid leader that i should kill/slow the ads instead of warlock

[plush jetty]

@warm geode actions+=/food,type=Nightborne_Delicacy_Platter

[turbid harbor]

and get rank 1

[jovial kite]

you miss the point again

[turbid harbor]

bonus points for logging it privately

[jovial kite]

it could be any boss

[warm geode]

@plush jetty ty

[jovial kite]

it was an example

[lone junco]

right. Tyra is doing well with bracer/insig. on mythic argus is 1/590 is interesting. not necessarily statistically significant.

[turbid harbor]

it was a poor example

[jovial kite]

you wouldnt know

no

[turbid harbor]

😄

[jovial kite]

i think it conveyed my point perfectly

you just have a grudge against the titan

[plush jetty]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ActionLists @warm geode

[jovial kite]

[warm geode]

saved @plush jetty

[turbid harbor]

they already removed allstar

[lone junco]

grats to @bold dune for having rank 3 argus tho

[bold dune]

I'm fucking insane

[lone junco]

that bracer boot work.

[turbid harbor]

nice

[lone junco]

93% env is pretty good

for p1

[bold dune]

less than 1k from rank two too 😦

got a little cucked in last phase lol

but yeah boots/bracers are rly fucking good on that fight imo

[lone junco]

this mid block boner is good

[turbid harbor]

i'm playing boots bracer on reprogress

guild lost a tank and 5 dps after we killed it first

[bold dune]

subterfuge is rly good in execute and you can garrote both the boss and orbs

damn that sucks

[lone junco]

/ afk till bfa

damn

[turbid harbor]

yea basically 😄

[lone junco]

offtopic

meth is one hell of a drug

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/health-fitness/a19179723/kaylee-muthart-eye-gouge-crystal-meth/?src=socialflowTW

[dire spoke]

Tommy

[shrewd oriole]

Das me

[dire spoke]

what time are you pugging tomorrow?

[shrewd oriole]

Not sure

Late

Afternoon onwards

[dire spoke]

what GMT are you at LUL

[shrewd oriole]

+0

[dire spoke]

oh

ye

[frozen dome]

Is the meta dump envens on 4 cp or 3? Because if its 4 and you crit a 3 cp mutilate the potential of over capping when trying to hit 4-5 is pretty high right?

[shrewd oriole]

4

[dire spoke]

don't mut at 4

[lone junco]

yeah dont mut at 4

I ran sims and finish on 3 with either env or rupture is not a massive loss. just dont do it unless you are in kb, and fucked up your rotation

[shrewd oriole]

Dump at 4

Is what I meant

[frozen dome]

But muting at 3 will over cap right?

[lone junco]

occasionally.

you have tb there or kb or garrote too

[frozen dome]

This is rinning vigor too not ep

[lone junco]

(ds)

review your logs, and try not to waste more than like 5-8 cps.

if your crit were super high, you would be getting a ton of 4s, and not need the 2nd anyway

if you have pk relics you can fok at >=3, but no one wants pk relics.

[frozen dome]

31% crit with 935 eye and 945 fang when not in raid

[lone junco]

kinda low. youll be fine to mut on 3

[frozen dome]

So like 42 or so crit on proc

[dire spoke]

you will ditch one trinket soon anyway

[lone junco]

mut is better than your other options there. so its not a big deal

my 1000 trinket is better in 5man even without procs

[frozen dome]

Its like 990 rn so i only use when i can get 2nd proc

[dire spoke]

and you don't wear it

[shrewd oriole]

A 990 panth trinket is way better than a 945 dogs @frozen dome

The second proc is nearly meaningless for assa

Sounds like you didn’t sim it and are just talking out of your ass

[arctic lake]

New sim who dis

[frozen dome]

👍

[lone junco]

unless we are talking the shoulder trash for M+.

Pretty sure Shantal would advise we use glaives and a mastery stick. and swap out glaives when they are down. but for boss go back to high sim st.

but what matters on 25-27, doesnt apply to anyone asking about trinkets.

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t like glaives as assa

[lone junco]

for trash, Ive been running glaives + mines. (for the base mastery)

but never seem to get 4 bombs in my open.

[zealous dew]

you can use void contract as well

or high mastery stick

[shrewd oriole]

You can just play sub

LUL

[zealous dew]

no thx

[shrewd oriole]

500k more damage

Kk thx

[lone junco]

dfa is too dangerous footwork wise for me.

[zealous dew]

it's fine

[lone junco]

esp in massive packs with shit all over

[zealous dew]

you're not competing in 26-27 anyway

[lone junco]

^

[zealous dew]

i'll be happy to time some 24

[lone junco]

i dont like dfa landing infront of a scythe, or melee super move

[dire spoke]

[shrewd oriole]

Dfa is aids

Delete it

Pls

[dire spoke]

ShStep on module is IQ400 too

[lone junco]

I really wanted to see a mark spec for sub m+

or mosh.

but that shoulder hit is too much

[haughty parrot]

managed to get 7/7 master assassin with 2x torment of the weak

[dire spoke]

forever stuck with 7MAss

hf finding upgrades now

it's like a 1% chance

[haughty parrot]

worst aprt is non of that is from mythic antorus

dude

i know

lol

its so bad lol

but so good at the same time

[dire spoke]

mine are 940 too

had a 985 non-MAss was just as good as my 940 MAss

I put it in outlaw because fuck 6MAss

there

[haughty parrot]

yikes

[zealous dew]

USE IT"

are you nuts

[dire spoke]

no?

cba with shit CDs

why should I use a relic that has the same output

but have a shitty playstyle instead

[shrewd oriole]

True

[zealous dew]

4s left to next boss on AHC, vendetta ready

your MA relics are worth 0

[shrewd oriole]

ahc

[dire spoke]

heh?

[shrewd oriole]

He’s doing aggra anyway and 3 mass there is great

[zealous dew]

kk

not a single time you hold vendetta ?

always on cd

no matter what ?

[dire spoke]

yeah

[zealous dew]

nice

[dire spoke]

normally you delay vanish a bit

for vend kb tb alignment

[zealous dew]

even if you waste like half vendetta you still use it ?

[dire spoke]

waste?

[hazy iron]

Shantal, that 4 seconds on AHC, he can just hold it and smash the next boss

its not like he's gonna miss a full usage off of a 4 sec delay in transition

[dire spoke]

ohhh you're talking about ahc

[zealous dew]

doesn't matter

you have vendetta ready

you use it

mob lives 10s

[hazy iron]

that is clearly situational

[zealous dew]

but relics are still there 😃

[shrewd oriole]

Who the fuck cares

About ahc

Lmao

[hazy iron]

so what about the time between bosses, your malch relics are still there too, not getting used

whats your point

[zealous dew]

it's an example

[hazy iron]

yeah Tom, basically

its 1 fight out of 11 lol

[zealous dew]

portal keeper

[shrewd oriole]

Not to mention

[zealous dew]

garoth weapon

[shrewd oriole]

It’s one of the easier fights

[zealous dew]

dogs transition

[hazy iron]

i have absolutely zero issues on garothi or portal keeper with 7ma

[shrewd oriole]

Dogs transition you can just stay on the same add till vendetta ends

[zealous dew]

imonar transition

[hazy iron]

your raid obviously kills it slower

[shrewd oriole]

Garothi / imonar never had problems

[zealous dew]

if I had a raid sure 😃

[shrewd oriole]

On pk I’m doing orbs

You don’t raid and yet you comment on raids

[hazy iron]

oh, so you're talking without actually having done the fights, gotcha

[zealous dew]

yep never done a fight

just maff

[shrewd oriole]

????

[dire spoke]

maff doesn't work like that

[shrewd oriole]

What?

[dire spoke]

sorry

[zealous dew]

kk

[shrewd oriole]

All the examples you gave apart from ahc aren’t set push timers

[shut isle]

Hey

[shrewd oriole]

So they’ll vary based on dps

Guess dogs is set but dogs is really not problematic

[dire spoke]

and / or wether to hold vendetta for stuff or not

[shrewd oriole]

never done the raid >maff btw

[lone junco]

vendetta has a really close timing to the hands on garothi for me.

rip if you put it up 1sec before they pop

[shrewd oriole]

heroic

[lone junco]

fights still have timing

[dire spoke]

you can get so unlucky on heroic pugs lol

[shrewd oriole]

I mean it’s based on dps anyway

[zealous dew]

not even hc, just lfr

[shrewd oriole]

So it’s not like you can math it out

[lone junco]

same fucking timing.

[shrewd oriole]

What do you mean same Tomi.

Timing-8

[lone junco]

that last one is wasted anyway

mythic vs heroic timing

[shrewd oriole]

It’s not the same it’s based on dps

So it can be the same

[hazy iron]

garothi transitions at 65 and 35%

[lone junco]

vendetta w/r/t the phases

[hazy iron]

so

it all depends on how quick it's killed, they're not going to be 100% the same every time

[dire spoke]

I'm still unsure if I should mantle-bracers or boots-bracers on aggra ):

[shrewd oriole]

Try both

[hazy iron]

are you progging it, or farming it?

[shrewd oriole]

Do you ever get two vendettas before transition?

[dire spoke]

yeah

[shrewd oriole]

Do you get it without boots?

[dire spoke]

uhmm

no

or let's say, I could vendetta the boss but I hold it

without boots

[lone junco]

here is boots

[dire spoke]

my stuff comes up again around 84%

[lone junco]

7/7

[shrewd oriole]

Noobr

You do realize

Slagg’s guild has a shit load more dps than zem’s

Lmao

[lone junco]

vendetta timings are 45s . so boss push would just be later.

in p1

[shrewd oriole]

@dire spoke I played boots on progress personally

I’d suggest you do too

Cuz 84% is too close to use vendetta in my experience

[lone junco]

do you use vendetta on the big adds?

[shrewd oriole]

Me? No

They die too quick

[dire spoke]

yeah well idk, I did top dps over 40 wipes with 1.9m

was a bad day tbh, I had 2.1 over 33 wipes last time

[shrewd oriole]

Imagine being beaten by a clicker

[dire spoke]

this was yesterday mantle-bracers https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TWVwkM7nJg8xX4Rb#type=damage-done&translate=true&boss=2063&difficulty=5&wipes=1&cutoff=2

[hazy iron]

there's no point using bracers if you're not getting to execute, surely the adds wouldn't make them useful on prog

[dire spoke]

I get that

my only argument is

ppl get used to higher damage and how to use their cooldowns, and then you switch legos phases suddenly are longer

[hazy iron]

prydaz 👌 lol

[shrewd oriole]

You’re right

I played bracers all throughout argus

Because I’d be playing bracers on the kill

So why wouldn’t I play bracers

🤷

[dire spoke]

argus is more extreme right there ye

wether you need to cheese or have a good pull

[shrewd oriole]

It’s about the same

[hazy iron]

idk, I guess everyone's different

[lone junco]

we were getting stuck on some stuff for KJ progress in the ghost phases, so I ran shoulder belt cause we never hit bracer.

was sub, so the belt was like 20% of my damage for those pulls

[hazy iron]

wonder if belt would be good for pushing argus P1 on prog

[shrewd oriole]

Boots are better

10% on argus isn’t that much

Boots will get you more vendettas with buffs

[hazy iron]

I'll try that

[drifting cloud]

depends where you are in prog

I used belt at the very start just so we could get further

[hazy iron]

our best pull is 46% so almost P3

[drifting cloud]

swapped to boots later

[lone junco]

dont want to be that guy during the progress kill that didnt wear bracers the time you got to 2%

[hazy iron]

yeah but

[lone junco]

but with 400 attempts, you probably know the timing

[hazy iron]

you'll be seeing that phase more than once before you get to 2%

[lone junco]

and if you die at 55 each time, then use something else

in mythic agg. do rogues stay in and cloak the big fire aoe if your vendetta is up?

[shrewd oriole]

Ye

If you’re not required to double soak

[lone junco]

cause mine lines up nice with 2nd. and 4th and 8th apparently

[shrewd oriole]

Which nowadays you shouldn’t be

[dire spoke]

well we're stuck in intermission anyway until our DK learns to talk and grip at the same time

I could kill off the first add and just afk from that point

4/40 pulls P2

they just can't handle the rng pattern

[lone junco]

how the adds shift around the room?

[dire spoke]

if there is a ember between flames or embers on flame spawns

seems to be a problem

[lone junco]

would enrage i guess.

we are lucky to have 4hunters 2lock for that phase.

on heroic anyway, that cc step was ezpz

[dire spoke]

we boost 2, cc 2, singlegrip one to another and then massgrip

[lone junco]

massgrip to roots?

then single grip out 1 at a time?

[dire spoke]

massgrip to magestuff

we don't get that far lol

I'm talking about intermission handling

[lone junco]

o. just getting them ccd and bigs tanked.

got it

thats the nice thing about heroic enrage timers being so long. we ran 3T 5H