assassination

[celest mirage]

rupture?

[hoary copper]

Yes

[lethal sinew]

is it possible that 2 item levels is more valuable than boots effect?

cause simc is pushing out some odd numbers

[hoary copper]

Depends on off pieces. You mean leggo boots right? What 2 were you simming with if you weren't using boots?

[void pecan]

I always thought that opener for boots/bracers in raidbots is janky.

But I guess it makes sense to make vendenta off CD faster.

[lethal sinew]

the two items im switching are Will of valeera to my pants that are 885, and the lego boots to 915 boots

and it insists that will of valeera and 915 boots are better than 885 pants and the lego boots

i guess it makes sense cause the non lego pants suck

[sharp viper]

yup

[hoary copper]

The leggo pants arent great either if I recall. It also depends on the other off pieces and stats. You can also turn on the % thing on raidbots and show you the difference. It may not be that big of a difference. Boots are pretty good leggos

Trust sims, it's usually accurate

[lone junco]

pants have a lot of agi. at lower ilvl it matters a lot.

[sharp viper]

^

[lone junco]

but 4p21 is best.

sims help with that stuff a lot.

[sharp viper]

raidbots top gear is a great tool for that

[hoary copper]

top gear is only reason I pay the 5 bucks every month for more iterations

[sharp viper]

well i'd rather get a slight idea of what might be better and continue with high iteration sims on my own pc if necessary

[hoary copper]

Sounds like work, I like copy and pasting lol. Plus not waiting for the queue.

[vapid moth]

Spent 2 hours on Heroic Argus trying to pad logs and ends up gettting the shittiest dps on the kill pull

fml

[lone junco]

rip

[vapid moth]

that legit pisses me off

[void pecan]

"shittiest"

1.5mil shit?

[vapid moth]

my dps was lower than when i initally killed argus a month ago wtf

1.367

[void pecan]

ew

That is bad.

[vapid moth]

i got soul bomb in the end. i cloacked mine. it goes off. the other dudes went off soo nas cloak ended

not to mention i missed a buff in the beginning. last crit was no where to be seen so that was 30 seconds lost of 100% additional mastery and 30 or so percent of crit

[gilded lark]

what a noob

[vapid moth]

pissed even more now that i found out i was doing 1.83 on the pull where we wiped in P4

[shrewd oriole]

Logging on argus hc is so hard

All my high 99’s are when boosting cuz we get a super long execute phase

[devout hollow]

1.98 is my top i think? Got the holy grail of PB on the nature add

[shrewd oriole]

Think I’m at 2.4

[devout hollow]

that was when I was 958

then my guild stopped doing heroic

xd

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah 2.4

Rip we heroic every week

It’s so nice

For alts etc

[devout hollow]

ye

[shrewd oriole]

Usually on an off day

Like Wednesday

[devout hollow]

must be, my guild got their parses before I joined and then stopped

[lethal lagoon]

Hello does anyone have some weak auras to track everything?

[shrewd oriole]

Check the guide

[lethal lagoon]

Ok i think i got them

[rain pewter]

https://gyazo.com/f1abf4e38dcd1ee39b1a80076b3804f1 #Blessed 👐

[whole dew]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[grave elk]

how bad is the leggo that gives vigor?

[vapid moth]

not very bad if you dont have much else

better than sephuz. and welfare leggo. and any defensive leggos

[civic palm]

Yeah it fully depends on what else you have, middle of the line as far as leggos go I think.

[indigo epoch]

for M+ should I swap from wrists to ravenholdt ring? (also wearing shoulders)

[vapid moth]

depends on how you play/ how often you use mutilate. but proabbly not

with shoulders if there are 3+ mobs all you gotta do is fok envenom. if they manage to live past the shoulder buff duration i still fok envenom

[indigo epoch]

rgr, thanks man

[marsh marlin]

wait, what kind of guild doesn't clear heroic at least one night?

LOL

[shrewd oriole]

Most mythic guilds

[marsh marlin]

seems so weird

my guild does like 3-4 a week

just for alts and shit

[shrewd oriole]

Guess y’all have a lot of alts

[lone junco]

just working on hpal today

[shrewd oriole]

I Cba with more than one alt

[marsh marlin]

Understandable

I'm working on my rogue & my aff lock as alts atm

hard to keep up w/ both

sometimes

full clears

[shrewd oriole]

Rogue discord

[marsh marlin]

15's

[shrewd oriole]

Rogue alt

Thinking

[marsh marlin]

I like to be somewhat proficient at every spec I play

as to not be a waste of time

[void pecan]

Good man.

[marsh marlin]

I'm usually not in here, but I was asking some questions about sub earlier

(although I play sin)

[shrewd oriole]

Fair

I joined he hunter discord but

Once you read the guide most questions are answered ahah

[marsh marlin]

That's usually how it is

[shrewd oriole]

90% of class discords are memes n off topic stuff tbh

[marsh marlin]

mostly what I've seen is log analysis

or people telling others to just sim stuff

instead of asking stupid questions

LOL

[void pecan]

that's why we have the basic questions channel now

[marsh marlin]

and your guide covers log analysis

which is super nice

ravenholdt is probably one of the best guides for a class I've used

[shrewd oriole]

I mean tbh

[void pecan]

Don't let notter see this

delete that

[shrewd oriole]

I get tired of the same dumb q every day

Hey guys what trinket I use : )

[marsh marlin]

I mean, Peak of Serenity is good too

lul

[shrewd oriole]

Peak of serenity is cool

[gilded lark]

🤢

[void pecan]

MW channel.

DID YOU CHECK YOUR SPREADSHEAT

SDLFJKS:DLF

[shrewd oriole]

What’s a mw

[void pecan]

mistweaver.

[marsh marlin]

they use so many fucking spreadsheets

shit is insane

like the spreadsheet on SCK

is ridiculous

[shrewd oriole]

I mean that’s a healer in general

[marsh marlin]

talking WW

I don't heal

😄

[shrewd oriole]

@void pecan I was mocking the class sub par performance

Monk actually has a decent mount of complexity

[devout hollow]

i just quickly browse other classes pve resources to know who and when to bully

[shrewd oriole]

Dps wise

[marsh marlin]

Monk is pretty fluid imo

Everything just flows so well

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah I like the spec a lot

[marsh marlin]

my monk is fucking dead though

rip in peace

their damage is crazy though

[vapid moth]

got kicked out a timewalking dungeon

[civic palm]

DOT DOT DOT

I would never kick you.

Unless you were AFK.

[gaunt moat]

TOO LATE

[vapid moth]

the tank had a big dick

i accidentaly walked past some ads that sense you through stealth. was like suramar all over again. anyway they pulled and he stood back and did nothing

[civic palm]

But not big enough an ass I imagine.

[vapid moth]

when i asked him about it he says "you pull it you kill it"

[civic palm]

Notter quit jerking yourself off.

[gaunt moat]

https://www.tenor.co/sz3O.gif

[civic palm]

Close enough.

Least it's within your species.

[void pecan]

Ah shit.

[calm grail]

Are we allowed to post tree pictures here?

[shrewd oriole]

Depends

R/trees kind of trees?

[calm grail]

Nature trees.

This beautiful tree picture was posted on Reddit yesterday, didn't even have a red tag on it.

[coral karma]

I believe he's asking if we accept druids here?

[shrewd oriole]

R/trees is way better than that

[calm grail]

Wrong link

[shrewd oriole]

R/trees has top tier mods too, snoop dogg mods there

Why did you link a picture of yourself nira

[calm grail]

I wanted to show you what I look like post workout

That's what's up, that is some natural beauty.

[void pecan]

https://giphy.com/gifs/smash-getting-pro-pCO5tKdP22RC8

[calm grail]

You like that @gaunt moat

You can't even get mad, that's just nature.

[wise frigate]

Even trees gotta get them cheeks.

[keen inlet]

@calm grail wow

[calm grail]

Indeed, but I'm not in trouble am I?!

That's a screenshot from the Druid order Hall.

[void pecan]

a realistic render of their area, if you will

[lone junco]

Hpal kit is funny. I totally enjoy it in 5man. But it's really shit in raid.

Maybe it gets better with proper stacked range/melee. An high dmg fights.

[void pecan]

why not another dps class?

[civic palm]

A lot of us are healers > _>

[shrewd oriole]

I mean, 50% of the world are women

That’s a lot of healers

[lone junco]

50% of wow is not women.

we have 4 in guild an none are heals.

[shrewd oriole]

You’re telling not all blood elf females aren’t women

Are*

We have 4 women, 3 are healers and the 4th one is dogshit at feral

[lone junco]

@void pecan not going to bother with another melee for sure. dh was pretty lame, and fire mage is really limp right now.

[shrewd oriole]

Vast majority of women I know are healers tho

[void pecan]

gf plays mistweaver and feral

[coral karma]

Yo, anyone got a link for the Sin BfA changes?

[void pecan]

does near my damage in feral and tops meters as healer.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shrewd oriole]

Sounds like a hipster

[lone junco]

yeah. im probably going back to flex roll next expac.

[shrewd oriole]

@coral karma wowhead has them all listed

[coral karma]

okie, ty

[lone junco]

rogue was cool, but M+ focus is more important than I expected.

[shrewd oriole]

There’s not much tho

[void pecan]

When in doubt, play Affliction warlock.

ecks dee

[shrewd oriole]

Rogue is great for mythic plus tho

[lone junco]

nah. when in doubt have a tank offspec

[shrewd oriole]

Arguably the best melee dps

[lone junco]

rogue is fine.

[shrewd oriole]

Tied with senor monk

[lone junco]

tank offspec main is prob better for my role

[shrewd oriole]

I feel

[lone junco]

I dont do alts. so having a tank with endgame loot is nice.

imagine my DH with my rogues gear

oy

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t like tanking

[lone junco]

too bad DH dps is the worst rotation I could imagine

I was holy/tank for a few years.

DH tank is fantastic

toolkit wise

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah dh tank is one of my favorites

I don’t mind how dh plays with new 4p

Beam build is cool

It’s a target switching fight

One of those trinkets loses value when target switching

[void pecan]

also

845?

[shrewd oriole]

Assumed you meant 945

Refer to my previous statement for the answer

[lone junco]

maybe beam would be nice.

i have shoulder/wrist. so its pretty bland

[void pecan]

Gotta get that ring and helm

[shrewd oriole]

Helm on m+

😌

[lone junco]

I have fire hat on mage does that count?

[void pecan]

Yep

[lone junco]

ok. you got me. Ill q up some runs with my dh. get some quality beams in.

[shrewd oriole]

Need new 4p for beam build I think

[void pecan]

yeah

[lone junco]

not for heroic 5man.

pew pew

[void pecan]

It helps

well.. maybe not in heroics

[lone junco]

w/e

ok heres the deal. I just want to end the tier with +20 in all zones. no sure which toon will make that happen the best.

prob rogue, but ill do another if necessary

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

If you wanna carry ply a tank

[lone junco]

would suck to farm up tier again.

i think my hpal will get in pugs better.

[shrewd oriole]

Bdk to carry mechanics

[lone junco]

rog got declined for like 10 or more uppers.

[shrewd oriole]

Pala to carry dps

[lone junco]

14-17

[void pecan]

feels bad.. I normally get insta invited

[short thicket]

whats everyones mastery at? just curious

[lone junco]

133 or 185

[shrewd oriole]

225

[short thicket]

also, what are most people running MP or EP?

[void pecan]

depends on your mastery

[shrewd oriole]

Mp if you’re poison mostly

[lone junco]

depends on crit

[void pecan]

TL DR

sim yourself

[austere tendon]

depends on depends

[short thicket]

my mastery is lingering around 186 unbuffed, 22% crit 😦

[void pecan]

more

crit

[plain thistle]

180% ish

[shrewd oriole]

I have like 30% crit 225% mastery

[short thicket]

and your running MP im guessing?

[void pecan]

37% crit 170ish mastery

[shrewd oriole]

Ye

[short thicket]

thats a crap ton of mastery! lol

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve got ok gear

[short thicket]

whats your ilevel

[shrewd oriole]

[short thicket]

simmin EP was doing more damage for me

[shrewd oriole]

973 I think

[short thicket]

shrug

[plain thistle]

175% actually , https://imgur.com/a/ftwFQ

😛

[shrewd oriole]

Crit feels really good to play with

[lone junco]

very

[void pecan]

Having constant energy regen

[short thicket]

everyones poisn build mostly?

[void pecan]

feels real good.

[shrewd oriole]

Poison is better yeah

[void pecan]

People in here with green are poison

red are bleed.

[short thicket]

ohhh

[lone junco]

my best poison is just shy of bleed. but about 50% crit. so i run EP.

its nice

[short thicket]

im running 930 fang/Golganneths 970 trinks, but also have a 935 Spectral..anyone have a preference? cant seem to get EOC to drop lol

[shrewd oriole]

Sin it

Sim*

[void pecan]

^

I can't seem to get a better eye than my 915.

[lone junco]

m+ trash. bloodlet with bracers, or chaos cleaves and fuck bracers?

[void pecan]

depends on how high

[lone junco]

I guess if trash dies fast, the bleed is irrelevant.

[shrewd oriole]

Nothing you’re not used to by now

Lul

[lone junco]

ayy

[drifting cosmos]

👌 bloodlet in 7.2

good old dh

[spark pond]

Guys, quick question please. I finally got all Assa legos...simming all of them, Shoulder + Bracers still sims higher. But I saw some people saying that bracers + boots are better...I'm not sure, wich one should I use?

[void pecan]

Which ever sims higher.

or depending on the length of the fight.

short fight? shoulder/wrist

long? wrist/boots

[lone junco]

in order to sim properly, set up your best gear sets, and run stat weights for each. then adjust. then check for high dps average.

[pliant yacht]

If your favourite colour was red but you read people saying blue was better would you become confused about your favourite colour?

[lone junco]

Bracer boot takes crit

[spark pond]

Kk, I'll keep with shoulder

but I'll give a try with boots

[lone junco]

shoulder bracer.

i mean sim it, but still

bracer boot would like 35 crit or so

[spark pond]

since I stil dont got a decent 2nd trinket, shoulder will always sims higher for me I guess

[lone junco]

I just peaked a trash pack at 4m on my dh. :(. thats on par with rogue

[drifting cosmos]

🤔 i mean dh aoe is better

more controlable

[lone junco]

my dh is like 910

lol

[drifting cosmos]

oh lol..

memebeam

[lone junco]

the movement is pretty nice. miss cloak and feint

[drifting cosmos]

yea it feels much more squishy at high keys

or maybe i am just so used to rogue already

[lone junco]

prob

[drifting cosmos]

i think monks are even worse

has like only 1 defensive

[vernal adder]

ench shamans got 1

[drifting cosmos]

🤔 yea enha shammy is indeed squishy

havent played with many in m+ tbh

[vapid moth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cB7JR1CPZyWa9xFq#fight=11&type=damage-done

hopefully thatt opener isnt fucked up. i dont remember

[void pecan]

Looks text book to me

wtf is that rupture damage

vs DP

[plain thistle]

thats 2 targets

but yeah, rupture should not be that far ahead of envenom and deadly poison

but its not odd

[vapid moth]

10mill? thats not much

[void pecan]

Huh. Just looked at the damage on my coven kills

it's like that too.

Guess I've never actually looked at that.

[steady prairie]

!trinket

whats the command for the sims again?

[void pecan]

!help

[chrome tusk]

!simc, !outlawguide, !singuide, !subguide, !enchants, !relics, !trinkets

[steady prairie]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[manic vigil]

[void pecan]

naya's own special emote?

[manic vigil]

yup

[ruby badge]

For CruicibleWeight what value do i put in for "+1 weapon iLvl"

[coral karma]

Theres a string you can import in Ravenholdt website

[ruby badge]

Okay perfect

[coral karma]

np

[vapid moth]

oh my raid lead is special. hes a tank. he tells the group to bring the light gift to melee and dark to the back

why? cause he needs the light one more

[gilded lark]

and you want the dark in the front because you need the dark one more

[vapid moth]

i am dps

and there are 4 other dps that i know for a fact require that more

[gilded lark]

i know you're dps

and there are dps that also want haste/vers

[vapid moth]

theyre range

[manic vigil]

nay

[gilded lark]

there are melee specs that want it too lol

[vapid moth]

not in my guild. unless warrior counts. maybe shammy too. still doe

[gilded lark]

fury kinda? they like mast too

enh shammy

[slim linden]

Does poison build outclass bleed build on all fronts in current patch?

[gilded lark]

frost dk

[vapid moth]

no dk

[gilded lark]

ret at least used to

idk about now

[vapid moth]

no pallies either

[gilded lark]

then take it up with your tank?

[void pecan]

it's not like it matters anyway

You won't parse.

👺

[gilded lark]

[manic vigil]

[gilded lark]

1.3m argus btw

[vapid moth]

lmao ganandor

yall are so rude

[void pecan]

Buffs or nah, shit's hard to parse now so late in the this tier

no memes on dps or whatever

[vapid moth]

you see i wanna play with people who know what to do to parse. but the people who know what to do are already ilvl 970 whatever and do too much dps

[void pecan]

That's my point 🙃

[vapid moth]

i had to make sure.

either i cant get my point accross and have to describe or i dont get other poeples points... and have to describe

[gilded lark]

problem is, people that know how to parse

want to play with people who know how to parse

not people that have greens 2+ months into a tier

[vapid moth]

its my only green. i think theyd understand im tryna parse

[jovial kite]

[void pecan]

Oh shush.

[marsh marlin]

how to parse on kin'garoth: play with the shittiest possible group you can find

and turn a mostly ST boss into a 3-4 target cleave boss

LUL

[gilded lark]

hey xaethron

wanna come to kin'garoth

[manic vigil]

@jovial kite 👋

[jovial kite]

👋

[versed canopy]

So, I'm trying out sin, (Was outlaw before) and was wondering which build is best, poison or bleed

[marsh marlin]

poison is worth learning over bleed imo

as it just scales better eventually

though bleed might sim higher at lower mastery numbers

[versed canopy]

That's what I was thinking. Outlaw will be my main spec I use so I'd keep the high crit and vers and low mastery

[marsh marlin]

but yeah

in the end poison>bleed

gl w/ ur sin endeavors friend

[versed canopy]

Thanks, for fights with a lot of mechanics that move me away from the boss, the dots help

[vapid moth]

broad you can say what you like but you know im not the shittiest rogue you met. not even to 10

[gilded arrow]

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[onyx falcon]

@vapid moth look, thats 100% true since that title belongs to me

[gilded lark]

[dire spoke]

[jovial kite]

I mean

970 bleed sims 2.28m for me and 974 poison sims 2.24m.. 40k more with 4 ilvl less@marsh marlin @Crazyyelir#8636

i think cokes poison will outscale in the end is just plain wrong

But poison is easier to gear towards

[austere tendon]

its actually to do with correct stats...

[jovial kite]

Who wouldve thunk

[austere tendon]

basically, they do about the same. if you like bleed, then go bleed.

[dire spoke]

@vapid moth I opened up this box of "influenced by others" myself in this channel and nobody quite understood what I meant

[austere tendon]

if you both gear in perfect optimised gear, then poison pulls a head by... 1-2 %

[jovial kite]

its to do with big t20 and relics

source?

[austere tendon]

Herodamge?

[jovial kite]

lol

Sample profile

only antorus gear

[austere tendon]

ah

[jovial kite]

And 960 forced ilvl

this late into the expansion i would use hd only as a reference point

People already outgear the sample profiles

[austere tendon]

well yeah..

[jovial kite]

So its down to simming yourself

[austere tendon]

yeah, not like I was saying dont sim your self...

just saying if your gear and sims for bleed and poison are close enough. you might as well go with the one that you enjoy playing. or ones that suit it better.

[jovial kite]

Yeah well thats true

[lone junco]

did seat for the first time. tyrannical was interesting.

exang was really nice for the dps burst windows on the bosses.

but it sure sucked on the tentacle boss running 2melee. + explosive orbs. we were all over the damn place.

[manic vigil]

[safe matrix]

I hate seat

So much

[wise frigate]

I didn't know Seat could be run as a key. Mostly because when I get Seat keys they get deleted on the spot.

[safe matrix]

The trash in there is kinda awful and so are the bosses

[fervent beacon]

@lone junco Whenever you get the chance, could you link me your armory so I can peak at your bleed gear setup?

[vapid moth]

The first few letters of his name are literally Noobe. There can't be too many choices after that

[jovial kite]

Dead channel

Inb4 shitstorm

[jovial kite]

Yep, still dead

[fervent beacon]

I'm not dead, its just you

[safe matrix]

If you wanna see a dead channel just go over to #subtlety

[strange python]

Top of the morning you toxic fcks

[vapid moth]

we have a sublety channel?

[fervent beacon]

@strange python Morning you edgy fck.

[strange python]

som1 ping a moderator pls

is this chat not being moderated again?

great

[fervent beacon]

Notter is hiding somewhere watching for bullies

so Notter can be the anti bully bully

[strange python]

Notter is not the mod we need but the one wedeserve

[fervent beacon]

I'd say @keen inlet is our savior.

[strange python]

thinking bout changing my name to Don Exsanguinate

If the current assa build goes live

[fervent beacon]

ok im going to bed because i fokin hate my life

[strange python]

I have very little understanding of memes, you are powerless in my face

sleep loose @fervent beacon

[zealous dew]

hello toxic ppl

another day at work

producing for this awesome community

[civic palm]

Oh yeah?

How was your yield today?

[strange python]

And what is it that you're producing? xDD

[civic palm]

Fresh squeezed toxicity.

[vapid moth]

when your 1.64 eonar parse wasnt logged

and i really need something orange up there

[civic palm]

haha

Is mine... hmmm

[vapid moth]

im in this really shitty group. they filled it up with 30 people for eonar so i got to do what i want

[civic palm]

96 ezpz > _>

[jovial kite]

eonar parses

[vapid moth]

orange is orange slagg

[civic palm]

Yeah but whatever.

apply crippling poison, chase small group spawns, GL

[vapid moth]

exactly

[jovial kite]

i think eonar parse is one of those things that id actually view negatively if someone applies to my guild and brought it up as a point

[civic palm]

l o l

[vapid moth]

cept i cant do that in my guild cause you know. "rules"

[civic palm]

I see you did well here.

WTF were you thinking?!

[zealous dew]

eonar as warlock, good story

eonar as rogue, haha

[vapid moth]

lmao let me be entertained

it was nice being able to do what i wanted for once

[jovial kite]

@civic palm more like oh i seeyou highly value your eonar parse, why is that

[spare flame]

Anyone have any tips for M Kingaroth?

[jovial kite]

save cds for adds

"I do have rank 1 for eonar so you could say im pretty dope"

[spare flame]

So you save vend/vanish for ads?

[jovial kite]

Yeah

The adds take increased damage with cascading stacks

[spare flame]

Right, from initiation

Do you still run shoulders/bracerS?

[jovial kite]

Also the adds are the only real mechanic in te fight so they must die

I run shoulder boots in kinga

you get vendetta for each add and 1 on boss between phases

[vapid moth]

a word of advice. its worst to pug the night before reset

[shrewd night]

Phew

I panicked for a moment

Then I remembered I'm EU

[jovial kite]

Holy shit mustve been a bad dream

To be

[zealous dew]

pugging is always a bad idea, especially on tue

where alts of alts of alts are in raid

raid finder gear, no clue how to play the class, no cosumables

[shrewd night]

I have a 13 on monk, dont know if I can be bothered to make it a 15.

[civic palm]

Nah just PUG on a good server and look for the people demanding high item levels, can kill Argus in like 30min.

[strange python]

ahahah, Hand of Adele made me giggle

Good Juan

[lost horizon]

That's a pretty long kill time, wouldn't he enrage? @civic palm 🤔

[civic palm]

From fresh instance, to kill > _>

[lost horizon]

If it's on Tuesday it's probably expired

[civic palm]

His enrage is long but not that long.

I... you...

[shrewd night]

Given five minutes per boss, which is long thats totally doable

[lost horizon]

Make sure you get your milk from the back of the freezer

And always check the expiration date

[civic palm]

Can probably do it faster really.

[zealous dew]

hello?

[civic palm]

👋

[lost horizon]

I've seen people kill argus in like less than 15min

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[shrewd night]

I call bullshit on that

[lost horizon]

30 you should probably find a better group

[shrewd night]

Fresh instance, garothi, aggramar and argus in 15?

[lost horizon]

I bet people aren't picking up buffs in p1 thats why it's taking you 30min

[shrewd night]

Oh right, its still early, bet Im being memed.

[civic palm]

or someone thought that they were being clever.

Though I suppose that works in both cases.

[shrewd night]

True that

[zealous dew]

30m means you execute for 10 !!

godlike parse

😄

[civic palm]

G A W D L I K

[lost horizon]

See look dude someone killed it in 1 second

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/17#boss=2092&metric=speed&difficulty=4

They probably picked up the buffs

[civic palm]

Probably doesn't matter what they did, so long the boss died.

[lost horizon]

Idk dude 30min is a long time to wait

[zealous dew]

they had 2 hearts in comp

cool

[lost horizon]

1sec kill time is okay I guess

Should I leave pugs that take longer than 1sec for argus?

What kill time should casual groups get?

Like 5sec?

[civic palm]

5 seconds is literally five times as long.

Who would wait that long?!

[lost horizon]

Right that's what I'm thinking

[civic palm]

Get to level Monk tomorrow > _> yay

[lost horizon]

But we can't all be top notch raiders

[zealous dew]

do you guys only group with a warlock in raid for summons or you walk to the instance ?

[lost horizon]

Get that heritage armour, ascend from pleb status

[civic palm]

TBF no lock is a bust for me, way too convenient.

[lost horizon]

@zealous dew depends if I just left some shitty group and am already nearby tbh

[civic palm]

What heritage armor? :3

[zealous dew]

i'd only invite warlocks to raid for summons

they do shit dps anyway

[civic palm]

subPar really.

[zealous dew]

especially when they do mechanics, rip

[civic palm]

Had to level Velf for armor, Priest for the three legendary tokens I had for priest > _>

[lost horizon]

Velf armour is too good

Gonna have to get it sometime

[shrewd night]

Man

I wanted to get the velf armor

one day into leveling it was all about wanting to kms

[lost horizon]

I haven't ever leveled without 3x boost from RAF though... So that's gonna fucking suck

Yeah dude I'm not looking forward to it

[civic palm]

It's fine, just level hunters.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

OR

Just level during TW events > _>

[lost horizon]

Does TW help?

[civic palm]

~1/3rd the queue time

and it's usually geared people doing the weekly.

[lost horizon]

Truuue

[civic palm]

So even with the scaling it's O _O"

[lost horizon]

Are the dungeons worth the exp though?

[civic palm]

100%

~250k

2 + random questing while in queue is a level.

[lost horizon]

Not bad at all

[civic palm]

note that it's 250k once you get to the threshold for the 60k exp random queue reward.

Completing the quest to clear the dungeon, and the bonus from the queue are ~130k

more like 120k

and as much as people wanna say that the monster exp rewards were not changed (Blizzard even stated that they were fixed), 100k+ from monster kills is a ton.

I need to make more jerky > _ >

I ate the entire batch already > _ >

[zealous dew]

tw event 😦

[shrewd night]

Problem being getting to the dungeon threshold for timewalking

From level 20

[zealous dew]

not worth it for a stupid seal

[shrewd night]

[civic palm]

Yeah there are some leveling considerations.

Most people do agree that 60 - 80 are the worst levels depending on class.

https://i.imgur.com/yfAkjZa.gifv

btw > _>

Spooked.

[shrewd night]

VOLCANO ANGRY

VOLCANO HUFF AND PUFF

[zealous dew]

wtf

feels like fusilade from AHC

0 fps

nice coding, God

[shrewd night]

Lets be honest

If it was a nuke the cameraman would have been dead long time ago

Its fine

[civic palm]

Yep

Volcano was rumbling since April or so people have said.

So it's not entirely random or unexpected.

[shrewd night]

Where dis?

[civic palm]

Indonesia

[shrewd night]

A place Ive always wanted to go. But just dont for the same reason as Australia.

sp00ders

[civic palm]

I just stick with visiting SausageLand.

[zealous dew]

I need to move somewhere where the freaking temp doesn't drop below 20

tired of getting colds

[civic palm]

Not sure that is going to stop wherever you live.

[shrewd night]

Id give money for a good cold rn

I havent been sick in what. Three years?

[civic palm]

I'd rather have a cold than the fucking issues I have from having flat feet > _>

Also, dodged the flu like... 5 years in a row, get fukt.

[shrewd night]

Boss is gone with flu atm, with how much of a workaholic it wont be the flu that kills him, but the withdrawals from work

[zealous dew]

too hot inside, too cold outside

[civic palm]

Sounds like you need to live somewhere with electricity.

and air conditioning.

Oh hey it's 65-70F at all times, wow what a world.

[frozen pecan]

I couldn't live in a place where it is hot the whole year

[civic palm]

Yeah I have some serious issues with heat.

[shrewd night]

I could as long as I was supplied with a pool and air con

🤷

[frozen pecan]

^true

[civic palm]

My skin is a fucking bitch and likes to get heat rashes wooo

[frozen pecan]

I like the snow aswell tho

[shrewd night]

I feel ya Miz

[vapid moth]

My skin is soft as hell

[frozen pecan]

KreyGasm

[civic palm]

Last time I visited Germany we got ~12' of snow > _>

[vapid moth]

Bitches touch it and are suprised as hell

"What lotion do you use"

[shrewd night]

Why do you have dogs touching your skin?

[civic palm]

Oil.

I use oil.

of the virgin kind.

While I am fed grapes.

[vapid moth]

"Feel his skin"

[civic palm]

Girls used to tell me I am abnormally warm to the touch > _>

Guys as well but.. girls mostly.

[frozen pecan]

lul

[vapid moth]

Yeah that's another thing

Ironically those are the only times females touch me

Or. Unironically maybe?

[civic palm]

Come to think of it, I just need to make like 10lbs. of jerky next time.

[shrewd night]

Sorry Xae, for females to touch you you need to become a guido

[civic palm]

or...

just appeal to a fringe.

ezpz, touch my balls in the club

[vapid moth]

Or just be a heartless mofo that has no morals whatsoever

[civic palm]

There are plenty of girls that just want a night off of doing it themselves.

[vapid moth]

I'm too young to club doe

[civic palm]

I dunno yer fookin age bud.

[shrewd night]

How young are you? 13?

[vapid moth]

And a half

[shrewd night]

If not, then you arent too young

[vapid moth]

17. 18 in June doe

Holy shit

[civic palm]

Old enough to buy an AR15 and shoot up a school

[vapid moth]

I'm free In like 4 months

[civic palm]

_>

ehhhh

_>

Don't fucking do that btw.

[frozen pecan]

can't you go out with 17 in your country?

[civic palm]

16 probably.

[shrewd night]

Thats uh

[vapid moth]

To clubs? No

[shrewd night]

Wew

Too soon miz

[civic palm]

Even in the US there are clubs for younger people.

never too soon

[vapid moth]

Yeah true

[civic palm]

Stop shooting up schools you fuck.

Stop letting people buy guns before they can legally drink.

[vapid moth]

But I don't think there would be one around here. Probably in NYC though

[shrewd night]

Thoughts and prayers everyone, thoughts and prayers

[civic palm]

Depends entirely.

There are 16 yr old clubs in fucking North Carolina.

Least there were .

[frozen pecan]

oh you're american

[vapid moth]

Yeah of course they exist

[frozen pecan]

don't you have too wait until 21 to go to clubs then?

[vapid moth]

I'm just saying there isnt one around me

[civic palm]

💭's and 🙏ers.

[frozen pecan]

or is 21 just drinking

[civic palm]

Nah there are plenty of different kinds of clubs.

Allow younger into main area

drinks elsewhere

21 is drinking and handguns in a lot of places.

[frozen pecan]

you can drink with 16 here in Austria lol

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[frozen pecan]

I'm mean beer and wine

[civic palm]

<~~ German, we get fucked up.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

10 years old today boyo? Here's a little sippy sip.

[frozen pecan]

ah ye you do, just like us lul

[vapid moth]

Lmao

Well I'm gonna sleep

[civic palm]

💭's and 🙏ers.

[vapid moth]

Gnight fwends

[frozen pecan]

gnight

[civic palm]

WTB OLED monitor

[zealous dew]

wtb winner winner chicken dinner

[civic palm]

1500USD for a 30" Dell OLED > _> mmm

[zealous dew]

sure

get 2

[civic palm]

I moreso just wanna see one.

OLED on high pixel density, yummy.

30" 4K :3 mmm

[coral crater]

Those feels when your old guild stops raiding because they couldn't cope without your awesomeness :p

[dense yew]

What refresh rate?

Grey to grey

[median marsh]

At what point you rupture a 2nd target if there are 2 in opener? like dogs in heroic antorus.

And do I spam FoK? The guid says yes for 2+ targets.

[shrewd night]

asap is my choice because energyregen.

And if the guide says yes, then why are you asking?

[split whale]

dont spam fok unless 3-4

[median marsh]

I thought it might not treat a case like this

it didn't make sense either

[split whale]

3+ usually

[shrewd night]

Why not Panzaah?

[worthy thistle]

Ofc u spam fok on 2 targets

Why would u miss out on dps unless 1 target needs to die asap?

[split whale]

it doesnt give you any bonus power

[shrewd night]

Yeah, looking forward to the reason as to why you need 3+ targets

LOL

[split whale]

plus the damage of fok isnt that good

[worthy thistle]

🤔

[shrewd night]

deadly poison bruh

[split whale]

yeah use it to maintain poisons. but dont spam. still mutilate and use finishers

[worthy thistle]

Dmg of fok isnt good>2k18 🤔

[frozen pecan]

I always use fok

[shrewd night]

You do you, but FoK is a dps increase on 2 targets

Whether you feel it isnt is hardly relevant

[split whale]

its good. but i feel applying rupture and envenom on 2 targets is more damage

[shrewd night]

'Feel'

[frozen pecan]

but it's not

and you can still apply ruputre on 2 targets

[worthy thistle]

Maybe u should use wound poison instead of deadly aswell so u don't need to fok at all to keep poisons up

[frozen pecan]

with fok

[worthy thistle]

Just spam that mut>nvenom

[split whale]

what im saying is dont just spam fok

[shrewd night]

And youre wrong.

[split whale]

no need to be an arse mate. im just giving my opinion and trying to help

[shrewd night]

Its not about being an ass, its about not misleading people asking for help, which is why we are correcting you.

[median marsh]

So even with vendetta up in opener you still use fok? Isn't better to mutilate-envenom a few times until out of energy?

on 2 targets that is

[split whale]

saying "you're wrong" and not giving any other real information and adding to the discussion is being an arse

[shrewd night]

Guess you havent been reading all the replies above that line then 🤷

And yes backprop, even with vendetta up

[median marsh]

I had a look at a few parses and they don't do that

e.g. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YmQPA3HpMJw8xcrW#fight=7&type=casts&source=32&view=timeline

top parses on heroic felhounds

[shrewd night]

He is using mantle

[median marsh]

everyone uses mantle

[shrewd night]

Nope

[median marsh]

of course I was assuming mantle

[grim jay]

The fun guys use mantle tho

[worthy thistle]

U mutilate during mantle unless 3+ targets

[median marsh]

Thank you @worthy thistle

[worthy thistle]

After that u don't touch mut anymore on h dogs

[grim jay]

🤔

[worthy thistle]

U definitely use fok over mut on 2 targets

[safe matrix]

I love feel crafting

That's why I stack haste to smooth out the rotation

Cause it feels the best

[shrewd night]

[strange python]

"feel crafting" lmao so hard

[zealous dew]

that's why you should play alacrity

20% from gear +20% from alacrity

boom so smooth

[strange python]

I'm a philosopher not a matematician, oke?

[shrewd night]

@zealous dew That means MattB was ahead of his time with his haste

[strange python]

The faster you attack the more you hit the more damage you do

[safe matrix]

The more often you apply deadly poison

The more autos you have

[strange python]

See, now we're crafting something here

[zealous dew]

yup

that's why we love lust

120 KB stacks easy

[strange python]

You can even drop Vendetta from your bars

lust and the haste from gems on autoattack?

[shrewd night]

I missed out on the one day we could KB back to back 😦

[zealous dew]

just macro vendetta on mutilate

for pure dmg boost no need for energy

[strange python]

KOJIYAMA ARE YOU FKCING READING THIS?

we're breaking the meta here

some1 ping him

[safe matrix]

Vanish? Doesn't that stop autos

[strange python]

but spam ping, not just one

[safe matrix]

Get rid of vanish

From the rotation

[zealous dew]

nobody uses vanish anymore

it's so 2017

sephuz + prydaz

for haste

[strange python]

It's like trying to kill a tiny rat with 30 kg OF PURE POISON

that's how assa rolls

[zealous dew]

yep

and pb ticks are affected by haste

[shrewd night]

kg

Euro detected

[zealous dew]

0.8s pb ticks

basically you always float from 80 to 120 energy

can spam 60 apm

carpal tunnel incoming

[strange python]

do autoattacks need energy?

no

there ya go for your priority list

[safe matrix]

Get rid of the energy bar

We don't need

It

[strange python]

Honestly, we should be able to equip 3 daggers

as assa

Fkcinf sh1t gamedesign

[shrewd night]

Two in hands, two on feet, one in mouth

[strange python]

you can EZ PZ hold 2 daggrs in 1 hand between your fingers

much like asians eat their food

[safe matrix]

One with the handle up the butt for the backside stabbing

Between the cheeks

[strange python]

Like the Lightning guy from naruto

[safe matrix]

Grip it tight

B

He had 7 iirc

[strange python]

If he can do it we can do it

[safe matrix]

Elbows hands mouth and knees I think

[strange python]

It doesn't matter where boss stands, you will always be able to hit it

Or just use a rope to attach the dagger on your D

You're gonna get hard from the dps anyways

best solution imo

[safe matrix]

If he's really far away we just use really long daggers

I mean fury warriors use two really long daggers

[strange python]

And you practice for when you're finally gonna get a gf

cause you play assa

[shrewd night]

[strange python]

Remember guys, always refresh poisons after 5 min, so they stay fresh

[safe matrix]

The fresher the poisons the better

I personally do a poison refresh right before every kingsbane

for the D A M A G E

[zealous dew]

we should have a hidden blade

in our sleeves

along with few aces

[strange python]

wow

HAH! got a poisoned dagged in my sleeve

dagger*

[zealous dew]

this class design sucks

[safe matrix]

It'll be fine if you accidently knick yourself

People here are toxic enough to survive the poison

[zealous dew]

wtb blizzard position as game designer

first of all, remove warrior class, it's useless

[strange python]

You know how ppl have like anature affinity

and stuff like that

we have a fkcing affinity to being toxic

[safe matrix]

Frick you

[strange python]

MOD

MOD

som1 ping mod

this chat is notbeing moderated again

ffffsssss

[safe matrix]

monkaS

No not the mods

I'll be a good boy

[strange python]

Oke, you get this one time pass

and i will not ping all the mods

[safe matrix]

I need my good boy points

[strange python]

and theorycrafters

[shrewd night]

[strange python]

We don't work with points, you get good boy triangles here

[safe matrix]

Don't worry I'm mommys perfect little angle

[strange python]

AHHAHAHHAHA

[safe matrix]

xDDDDD

[strange python]

lmao so hard

we should make a poll to change the name of the spec: aassaassiinnaattiioonn

[midnight latch]

petition to name it Assasinaron is already out

[zealous dew]

what about flowi shadowblade?

[strange python]

don't get it kek

[midnight latch]

thats cause you are not a regular here

[sleek cargo]

Hey fellow assassins, just a question, in BFA is leeching poison a 3rd poison we can have on?

[zealous dew]

you mean vaginal cream ?

[sleek cargo]

"Leeching Poison Coats your weapons with a Poison that lasts for 1 hour, granting you 10% Leech.
Can now be used in addition to non-lethal poison" thats the new changes

[zealous dew]

i remember using it once on artifact challenge

never used it after

might work though

[sleek cargo]

but still they are letting us have 3 poisons on itr seems

[zealous dew]

crip + leech + dp

[safe matrix]

I use it on some fights cause when our healers feel like being potatos

[zealous dew]

that's a lot of wa to make

[strange python]

@midnight latch lmao that's obvious, care to explain what it means tho?

Honestly, i really HATeEthe fact that poisons are a buff and not applied to your weapon

Taking that mechanic out, choosing what poison on what blade, also having MH hit more often

takes out of the flavour sooooooo much

[shrewd night]

@sleek cargo From reading that, yes. Although I take everything in alpha with a massive pinch of salt.

[midnight latch]

@strange python lemme see if i can find the picture

[jovial kite]

You mean asesinaron @midnight latch ?

the greek god of shadows and poisens

[midnight latch]

yeah

that one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/410374064939728896/image.png

^

[strange python]

AHHAHAHHAHA

thanks lol, made my day

why isn't this pinned tho

[jovial kite]

memes are like the wind

They cone and go

[strange python]

aye, takes the flavour away

you're right

[jovial kite]

So you must tap into that lifeline

[midnight latch]

cause we only pin my cheapshot opener

[jovial kite]

[shrewd night]

Its high up there. Not quite top3, but still 👌

[strange python]

that's some memelosophy right there

[jovial kite]

philosophy rose from greece

Asesinaron is greek

Coincidence?

[strange python]

i think not

[safe matrix]

Plus I think that every here is definitely greecy

[sleek cargo]

you guys/girls going to play a rougue in BFA?

[jovial kite]

rougue fondue

[safe matrix]

"rougue" 🤔

[jovial kite]

antwoine rougue

[strange python]

read it like "rouj"

[jovial kite]

ruush

[strange python]

You guys mean the thief class?

[jovial kite]

@sleek cargo And yes, most likely!

Exsang will be king :3

[safe matrix]

I read it kindof like "uguu"

[shrewd night]

Depends on how beta pans out, but Im going for a yes at this time

[safe matrix]

It kinda sucks they're butchering sub so hard though

[sleek cargo]

yeah assass looks good

[safe matrix]

Sin seems pretty cool though

[zealous dew]

sasinescion rogue is the best

[shrewd night]

Unless I become a professional siege player by that time

[safe matrix]

And becomes super slow

And loses mantle

[zealous dew]

mantle...

so overrated

[safe matrix]

Not for sub 🤷

It's pretty sub optimal

xDDDdFffFffDddDdd

[jovial kite]

🤦

if it wasnt a sub pun i wouldnt allow it

But ill allow it

[shrewd night]

And here I was thinking yesterday was a day of disappointment for this chat 🤦

[safe matrix]

cloak

also with SCombo getting nerfed rip sub AoE

[zealous dew]

about time they nerf that shit ss

broken as fuck

[safe matrix]

if its broken then why isnt sub #1 on high command or something

FeelsBadMan

[midnight latch]

you know how that fight works dont you?

you dont have adds on 3rd pot at all

adds always in africa whirlwinding ranges

• they die fuckin fast

most broken fight was host due to shields

and mistress

cause constant adds

[safe matrix]

Yeah I guess you're right

[midnight latch]

and you can look at some logs there

[safe matrix]

we dont have a true adds fight

[midnight latch]

like boss dps on sub was fuckin insane

[safe matrix]

Well also sub stopped scaling as hard

[midnight latch]

beating other dps by 300k dps atleast

[safe matrix]

and that was prebuff sin

[midnight latch]

dunno

[jovial kite]

Sin is better there too most of the time

Due to prolonged execute

[shrewd night]

Starting progress on Aggy tonight

[jovial kite]

Gl

[midnight latch]

dfa seems to be really shit on aggy mythic cause of the combo

[jovial kite]

dont u darw fucking wipe

[safe matrix]

dfa is fine, you just cant use it into techniques like a mong

[shrewd night]

Oh dw, we will wipe.

[safe matrix]

or you run out beforehand

[shrewd night]

Like

Alot.

[midnight latch]

also you can sstorm adds only if they arent dead right?

or do the puddles at the floor give you cp?

[jovial kite]

No

[midnight latch]

yeah

so i would play sin