assassination

[shrewd oriole]

Pieces

[old sphinx]

aight so it's just off pieces

[shrewd oriole]

Which leggo is best is pretty much entirely based on off pieces

[astral latch]

thanks all

[lone junco]

@keen inlet prius turning radius is fantastic. tbh. I like it a lot more than expected.

and 55-62mpg is 💸

[unreal coyote]

i hate to admit it

being a car guy

but the prius c isnt so bad

my friend has one

[lone junco]

best thing about it is extreme shit traffic. let your foot off the break an it doesnt automatically jump to 30mph like our Impala does

I can coast 100% elec for anything under 30mph

[shrewd oriole]

I know nothing about cars

Bought my first car this year

Just picked one with a good stereo lmao

I’m sorry 😦

[quick talon]

Tom is this a family picture

[hoary copper]

I have a prius, tho mine doesnt get that great mpg anymore

[old sphinx]

lul

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[strange python]

A lot of people act like they know about cars

[shrewd oriole]

I bought a VW golf

[unreal coyote]

he regular prius just looks like a manpurse

[quick talon]

uhh

which golf?

[unreal coyote]

the c model at least looks better

[shrewd oriole]

I think it’s a decent first car idk

[quick talon]

IV, V, VI ?

[shrewd oriole]

The latest model?

[lone junco]

@hoary copper number 1 unintended side effect from the good gas mileage: i can drive batshit crazy and still get >40. So i wind up driving like a crazy person.

[hoary copper]

Mines an 08, so it's an older one. I do like the c models though and the latest gen body style in general. Looks less like a golf cart

[old sphinx]

audi a3 2007 😎

[hoary copper]

I'm from Massachusetts originally so I naturally drive like a crazy person prob why I get like 41 typically. Also commute 600 miles a week for work

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t even know the answer to your W @quick talon feels bad man

Q*

[quick talon]

😦

[shrewd oriole]

I’m so uneducated about cars

My dad never liked it so I never learnt it

[quick talon]

sad

😦

[keen inlet]

@lone junco how much do priuses set you back these days

[hoary copper]

I'm uneducated too, its why I stick with Toyotas. Less likely to break and have to do stuff. 240,000 on my Prius and ive only done tires and oi

[unreal coyote]

you can get a decent pre owned

for uhh

14/15

[keen inlet]

my '02 Passat is getting more and more expensive to maintain. Still not as expensive as a new car or preowned payment, and it's 100% paid off, but

[unreal coyote]

euro cars man

[hoary copper]

My 2008 was about 10K when I bought it 3 or so years ago @keen inlet

[keen inlet]

Hmm.

[unreal coyote]

great while theyre under service contratcs

[keen inlet]

well

[unreal coyote]

and then you realize you cant chnage your own fucking oil

without some 700.00 tool

[keen inlet]

VW's not getting another dollar from me until there's a serious shakeup in their leadership

[quick talon]

VW still gasing apes heh

literally

[old sphinx]

hahahaha muricans 😂

[manic vigil]

[keen inlet]

that and their emissions bugging etc

[strange python]

monkaS

[unreal coyote]

i give 0 fucks about emissions lol

[quick talon]

pretty sure most cares emissions are scuffed

[unreal coyote]

i let my eagles fly free

[lone junco]

@hoary copper 230k in 3 years is a lot of driving. holy shit.

[quick talon]

just VW's stuff is discorvered

[keen inlet]

environment's the one cause I actually gaf about

and invest my time/money in

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quick talon]

Don Jose - Green thumb

[unreal coyote]

factories need to get clean before they talk to me

about my car

tbh

[keen inlet]

Gotta start somewhere.

[hoary copper]

@lone junco It was 80K miles for 10K dollars I meant lol. Still a lot. 600 a week for work is a lot plus we drove from FL to Chicago to Boston and back in there too

[lone junco]

yeah I dont do it for env. Prius is a good value. and gas can spike to 5$.gal weather you want it to or not.

[unreal coyote]

well they can start

with their factories

[keen inlet]

If everybody says "well everybody else sucks" then things continue sucking

[unreal coyote]

and leave me alone

thankfully i live somewhere where theres no inspections

[keen inlet]

because personal responsibility and ethics are nonexistent amrite? 🤣

[shrewd oriole]

yes

personal responsibility? please I play wow man cmon

[keen inlet]

hah

[lone junco]

speaking of, did you hear about the loan sharks pushing 900% interest

[hoary copper]

What are these ethics you speak of?

[unreal coyote]

bigger fish to fry is all

[keen inlet]

@lone junco I did, friggin crazy

[unreal coyote]

i wanna enjoy my car

[keen inlet]

and gov't just lifted restrictions on them

[lone junco]

my npr bro for sure.

[keen inlet]

gutting the consumer protections bureau

"It's okay corporations totally care about us"

[quick talon]

brb gasing apes to prove diesel isnt THAT bad

[keen inlet]

"consumer >>>> $$ for sure for sure, that's just simple capitalism broh"

[hollow trail]

corporations are people too according to citizens united. forcing regulations on these companies is unfair to their profit margin. profits > people

[keen inlet]

citizen's united was the worst thing to happen in a very long time to this country imo.

[lone junco]

I would fucking pull a gaddafi and shove a knife up scalia's anus if he were still alive.

[unreal coyote]

coal rolling twats are much worse than my lack of catalytic converters

[hollow trail]

"clean coal ™ " get it right @unreal coyote

[keen inlet]

well

[unreal coyote]

the amount of f250 dick strokers here

is insane

[shrewd oriole]

politics on assa chat

[keen inlet]

I get it. It's easy to write off personal responsibility and ethics in modern culture.

"We tried to be decent men in an indecent time!"

[dire spoke]

[lone junco]

My fav thing about big trucks. is seeing them in the ditch on icy days.

fucking idiots

[keen inlet]

But you can be better than that. I'm trying to.

[unreal coyote]

i mean thats ok

[lone junco]

:vanish:

[unreal coyote]

if thats your truth

go for it

[hollow trail]

"We tried to be decent men in an indecent time!"

*pretended, not tried

[keen inlet]

I was quoting TDK heh

[hoary copper]

The bigger the truck, the smaller their.....................care @lone junco

[manic vigil]

Where do you live @unreal coyote

[keen inlet]

Two-face's speech

[unreal coyote]

southeast ga

[manic vigil]

No inspections

[unreal coyote]

none

not cats no problem

[strange python]

So, rogues huh

[hollow trail]

@unreal coyote lemme register my car at your address, im up in marietta

[strange python]

Fun class

[lone junco]

meh

[quick talon]

dont interrupt

their talk

[keen inlet]

I guess a wow discord is probably the wrong place to crusade morality

haha.

[unreal coyote]

whatcha drive? caff

[hollow trail]

Guys, whats the best rotation for FoK??

[strange python]

Just doing my job

[manic vigil]

I'm afraid so don

[faint tree]

Would you guys use subterfuge instead of Ns for fort weeks even though Ns is better for st?

[strange python]

This is a meme chat, take that serious talk into DMs 😡

[lone junco]

I think all states should have tag safety inspections. idc about emmisions.

[manic vigil]

[hoary copper]

Half of Florida's cars wouldnt be on the road Noobe

[keen inlet]

I think it's weird that diff states have diff inspection laws tbh

[keen inlet]

one of those weird things that is just ripe for abuse

[strange python]

What am I looking at

A room

Neat

[faint tree]

Were you talking to me before shadwostep?

[strange python]

No

Idk the answer to your question

[midnight latch]

whats with the tinfoil carpet dude

[faint tree]

I guess I could look up how to sim multi target and see if it's a better talent

[quick talon]

maybe some floorheating stuff

idk the english term

[shrewd oriole]

Watching miracle do keys

[keen inlet]

@faint tree you can sim multi on raidbots, talent compare

[old sphinx]

there you go answering your own questions

[strange python]

Its not done yet on that picture

[shrewd oriole]

Is fucking poggers

[quick talon]

no shit, its not done yet?

[keen inlet]

@quick talon insulation

and/or soundproofing

[strange python]

No

[vernal adder]

he is making a ted bundy room

[hoary copper]

In Shadow's attic, no one can hear you scream

[strange python]

😏

[manic vigil]

[faint tree]

@keen inlet Thanks. I assume that i should pick hectic add cleave with short duration?

[keen inlet]

That's probably not a bad setting for M+ tbh

[faint tree]

To allow for restealth and re use of ns?

[keen inlet]

more accurate than patchwerk anyway

doesn't raidbots have a M+ setting now?

I thought it did

[faint tree]

hrm ill look again

[keen inlet]

if not yeah hectic, short duration

[faint tree]

no m+ in fight style

[shrewd oriole]

a lot of stuff in m+ comes down to feely craft

[faint tree]

yah i assume some trial and error by looking at logs of m+ runs with various builds and seeing what overall dps was

[hoary copper]

m+ = pray to RNGesus for pb procs

[shrewd oriole]

followed by

eventually getting frustrated

and going sub

[faint tree]

only 1.1% dps difference between ns and sub

hectic add cleave 1min duration

[hoary copper]

It's a shame PB wasn't another button to push with a cooldown

[faint tree]

ns being stronger. Could add up on high keys

[shrewd oriole]

I wish PB was a cooldown

[old sphinx]

wtf the boots mess up the vendetta kb alignment so damn hard

it's disgusting

[dire phoenix]

does the opener change with 3 master assasins so they can line up ?

[old sphinx]

no

how the fuck did this sim higher bruh...

[wide bolt]

The duration of your sim might have made it so the boots lead to a vendetta right at the end of the iterations inflating the actual value of it?

If that makes any sense lol

[keen inlet]

tbh

I wouldn't bother with subterfuge in m+ personally

[old sphinx]

i mean if they'd only do 1 run that would make sense, but they sim 10000 iterations

[keen inlet]

but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old sphinx]

maybe I need to get 3 MA then it'll feel better again

I got 1 atm

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/4efde92b3568a37923a6b6e29ad1f192

@gaunt moat

:3

[gaunt moat]

hehe

[old sphinx]

does the apl delay kb or vendetta to align ? or does it just use both on cd ?

[lone junco]

@ ideally hectic 30s. but you need an advanced setting for that. when im lazy ill do 3boss hectic 1min. (mastery >>>> everything)

[gaunt moat]

when your pet critter does more DPS than you 😂

[jovial kite]

critters dont do dmg

just like you

[lone junco]

@jovial kite 👏

🍆

[jovial kite]

was a shit pull though

we all died at the end

except like 3 players or so

because someone loves balls

[candid yew]

dropping a big rupture when the adds spawn and topping meters?

[lone junco]

just fat rupture buffing with bota exang.

[candid yew]

noic

[jovial kite]

its the one to get the pandemic

[lone junco]

false alarm. just lucky bota on 1. and 2

still good

looked like 3 ruprute prior to exang

[candid yew]

does bleed have higher potential than psn if u get lucky with bota?

[lone junco]

nah. vanish bombs are >>

[candid yew]

cant u still get em

or u dont play shoulders with bleed

nvm

he he

[jovial kite]

poison is probably better in kinga

exsang isnt a burst build per se

more like marathon, cleave and prolonged execute specialist

[lone junco]

I like boss damage between adds tbh.

[tacit steppe]

I’m poison but ran boots shoulders on that fight and it was lit

[hoary copper]

well my guild (that didnt really do stuff to begin with) is falling apart, guess I'll just hang out without one. Guess I shouldnt have called the guildie a sh*t player because his highest log is 5% I think

Random things happening on discord while Im at work, fun times

[lone junco]

meh. you did the right thing. core players at 5% are not even trying.

someone has to be 5%. due to bell curve.

[hoary copper]

Oh he has 1 green log now! He told me raids were dumb and pointless and he was just there for fun and pet battles

[lone junco]

but if you cant kick them, you sure as shit should shame them.

[desert vault]

36 crit, 188 mast ... crit is getting pretty high for poison spec yeah?

[lone junco]

prob our worst guy. still not 5%

[old sphinx]

I went from 37% crit to 26 in a month, I now have 13% haste ♿ Kill me now

[shrewd notch]

my crit i think is somewhere in the 40s

[desert vault]

If I can get a stupid pair of t21 gloves I'll be 200 mast, 34 crit which I feel better about

[hoary copper]

My crit is like 26%, it kind of hurts but 183% mastery doesnt feel bad

[tacit steppe]

My crit is like 26ish iirc but my mastery is at 201 so 🤷

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/705ebb5a11b40c17b8c8540d8f645852

weak and flowi irl

[hoary copper]

Love it

but why is Poo naked?

[jovial kite]

@warm parcel @viscid helm

sorry for the raid in advance

[warm parcel]

😄

[lone junco]

:fuu:

does that appear as a 1 to people with nitro? or is it still just fuu

[shrewd oriole]

30% crit, 220% mastery

l2getgoodgear

[vapid moth]

Dudes in my raid do like 24% with 950 ilvl

Like start appropriating your gear. Farm leggos. Get on on days other than fucking raid night

[shrewd oriole]

as if there's much gear to be had outside of raid night

lmao

[old sphinx]

Im done with boots switching back to Bracers even if raidbots tells me boots are better, this is fkin disgusting

[shrewd oriole]

on bad m+ weeks I only raid twice a week to raid

[vapid moth]

There is though. Unless all your shit is 940+ you have no excuse

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

[vapid moth]

And if all your shit was 940+ you wouldn't be 950

[shrewd oriole]

I'm not 950

??

I think you're confusing people ahah

I'm 972 or 3 or some shit

[lone junco]

yes tomm we know you are like 973. Theres not much from M+ for you.

got it

[vapid moth]

You missed what I said earlier

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

sorry

jsut got here

@lone junco that's elitist...

[lone junco]

so be it.

[shrewd oriole]

tbh most of my upgrades come from M+

[lone junco]

I could use a high barbed neck.

[vapid moth]

"Upgrades"

[shrewd oriole]

I got a 960 socketed one this week finally

[vapid moth]

M+ doesn't give shit unless it's reset day

[shrewd oriole]

had a shitty neck

not true tbh

[vapid moth]

Even then it's rare to get useful shit. Nvm good shit

[shrewd oriole]

it's rare yeah

but if you're running tons of dungeons a week you're bound to get an upgrade every now and then

[rich wren]

#legion

[vapid moth]

Yeah I guess

[lone junco]

I never noticed, but I only have 3 slots for M+

[shrewd oriole]

hmm

[lone junco]

Eoc would be nice.

[shrewd oriole]

can get a trinket too

so 4

belt too

so 5

[nimble tartan]

i just got a 940 eoc yesterday, but it needs to proc like 955 to be even with my 970 memento feelsbad

[shrewd oriole]

yeah 940 doesnt beat hounds trinket :/

[lone junco]

my 945 hound = = 920 Eoc

[nimble tartan]

i still dont have a hounds trinket

[shrewd oriole]

: (

[nimble tartan]

truly unfortunate

[rich wren]

My 945 eoc is like .01% worse than my 960 hounds 🤔

[lone junco]

990 GV is still big agi.

[nimble tartan]

ye the pantheon is just staple now

[shrewd oriole]

for st yeah, cant replace pantehon

too good

[vapid moth]

At this point we may as well stick with pantheon

[dire phoenix]

i have 940 eoc with socket and its 4kdps better than the 960 hounds

[nimble tartan]

ez socket

thats mastery boi

[lone junco]

is 4k worth the mouseover?

I guess prob.

[rich wren]

Just gotta get a higher dogtooth

[lone junco]

but the Agi proc on open is def in shoulder

[dire phoenix]

the thing is that with the eoc you cant really change targets

so ...

[nimble tartan]

well ye thats why switch it out with something like doggo

or just wear doggo

for everything

[lone junco]

I get dogs + conc + bota = money

[shrewd oriole]

doggo is just so comfy

[rich wren]

Put it on and pray for good rng

[spice surge]

There isnt any fight outside of eonar with enough switching to make eoc bad

[dire phoenix]

i think i have problem with my critical

[shrewd oriole]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sWkyw695HjsxCmFCZZDtFm

[dire phoenix]

i have 26%

[shrewd oriole]

940 eoc is only 0.6% worse than doggs 965

kek

[lone junco]

26 / 200+ could be fine

[rich wren]

Yeah eoc is a pumper

[shrewd oriole]

really wish I had an eoc

[lone junco]

my 915/920 2p20 hanging in strong.

[rich wren]

Open relinquished trinkets and hope you get a sick eye of guarm

[lone junco]

tbh. im kinda impressed

[old sphinx]

FOR FUCKS SAKE I DONT NEED MORE HASTE CMON

[lone junco]

they are -0.1% to my 960 shoulder/Glove

[old sphinx]

please someone send help

[lone junco]

save for SND.

when you feel the meeems

that's your entire haste budget

[old sphinx]

thats 10 fking percent haste for me dude

what is life even

I mean

Is this a sign ?

[lone junco]

yeah Rip

[old sphinx]

do they want me to reroll furious fender ?

[lone junco]

🤺

[old sphinx]

aight

lemme sim furious fender

[hoary copper]

Guess you're a pirate now

[old sphinx]

1.956.612 DPS !! that's only 50k lower than sin ....

Weapon is shit atm

[shrewd oriole]

sub 2m council is that way

👉 💩

[old sphinx]

aight not priate yet

[lone junco]

@old sphinx after a few iterations of weights and gear i got my snd to be just shy of my best poison.

still doesnt play as well, but sim was easy to hit.

[old sphinx]

but snd is braindead right ? its a 2 button class afaik

[shrewd oriole]

3

there's pistol shot prcs

kek

[old sphinx]

oh

[nimble tartan]

less braindead than sin lets be real

[old sphinx]

shit

mb

[shrewd oriole]

SnD outlaw is not less braindead than sin I'm sorry

snd outlaw is as braindead as a spec gets

[hoary copper]

Like DH braindead?

[nimble tartan]

only soybois play snd outlaw tho

im all about the RTB

dh is cool as heck cmon...

[shrewd oriole]

I'd say SnD is about DH braindead yeah

probably easier

[nimble tartan]

i like dh play more than sin

[hoary copper]

Double jump and floating is kinda cool on dh

[nimble tartan]

but sub is where its at

mfd sub best version of sub

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan you do M+ as Mark?

or nah

[shrewd oriole]

what the

omr you're a weird fellow

[keen inlet]

SnD isn't braindead 🙄

[nimble tartan]

i dont mean now but that was my favorite way to play sub in tos

[shrewd oriole]

Snd is braindead.

[lone junco]

and?>

[keen inlet]

if snd is braindead then half the specs in game are braindead.

[old sphinx]

[keen inlet]

Stop saying silly things.

[lone junco]

arent we all collecting deeps ?

[shrewd oriole]

Half the specs in the game are braindead.

[keen inlet]

well

if they're all braindead

are they all braindead?

[shrewd oriole]

Half not all

[keen inlet]

Half is generous, honestly

[shrewd oriole]

blizzard has, for years, been movinng the complexity of the game away from classes and into fights

[keen inlet]

Most specs in WoW can be reduced to relative simplicity.

[shrewd oriole]

as a result, specs are pretty simple to play

in a large majority

[keen inlet]

If you choose to ignore the things that make them "complex"

okay

so again

if they're mostly braindead

[shrewd oriole]

idk what makes snd outlaw complex

[keen inlet]

why is calling them braindead relevant

or important?

Or comparing them for relative "braindead-ity"

[shrewd oriole]

They have one proc that you actively deal with

comparing them is fine

dont see what's the problem with comparing them

[lone junco]

VAST ACCUSATIONS!

[old sphinx]

I'd like to inquire what makes snd outlaw complex

[keen inlet]

The problem is it's pointless. If most things are braindead it's not a good point for comparison

[shrewd oriole]

agreed

please

tell me

[keen inlet]

hold up.

[shrewd oriole]

Where the complexity of SnD outlaw lies

[nimble tartan]

why cant we have pointless conversations

sometimes its just FUN

[shrewd oriole]

^

[keen inlet]

Things aren't "braindead" or "complex"

[shrewd oriole]

yes things are on a spectrum

like this conversation

[keen inlet]

...

🙄

nevermind

[shrewd oriole]

I'd place outlaw on the beginning of the spectrum

[old sphinx]

why toxic

[shrewd oriole]

of braindeadness

[keen inlet]

You know what, Tom

go ahead

[zealous dew]

toxicity here always at good levels

[keen inlet]

keep talkin'

Your blue name befits you

[shrewd oriole]

I mean you're actively avoiding my question

[nimble tartan]

dam thas classist of u

[shrewd oriole]

and calling our conversation dumb

???

[nimble tartan]

don jose please respect our BOYS IN BLUE

[keen inlet]

I didn't say anything was dumb, I said it was pointless

[shrewd oriole]

It is

what's the problem

lmao

[keen inlet]

Good one, you got me

Check it out everybody

Tom got one over on ole' Don

[old sphinx]

I really wanted to know, because in my experience playing snd felt pretty "easy" compared to mfd outlaw or Sub or even sin poison build

[shrewd oriole]

^

[zealous dew]

i'll find shelter in #subtlety

[lone junco]

@old sphinx snd is easier. there is very little player side adjustments from what I know. if you still use a frond, the output can vary.

bracers are still harder to play than anything on the sin side.

[keen inlet]

@old sphinx What I was getting at was that it's not "complex" but there are still moments where you have to make a lot of decisions quickly--especially if you're using bracers/mantle, or you're energy capping, and depending on what 4p procs you get

[shrewd oriole]

If you're playing snd you're most likely not playing bracers

[lone junco]

wut

[keen inlet]

it's also a higher APM spec, by far, than the other two--which yields "complexity"

That's not true. bracers builds do have viability as SND

depends on the situation and your gearing strat.

[strange python]

Hi

[lone junco]

there are plenty of bracer insig.

[nimble tartan]

who else is excited for immolation aura on HAVOC

[shrewd oriole]

Guess it must be gear dependant

[lone junco]

is that a dh thing?

[old sphinx]

but don isnt snd played with ring and shoulders ? I dont see a lot of decision making there...

[shrewd oriole]

I sim 80k lower with bracers than with ring

[nimble tartan]

soon alpha tm

[shrewd oriole]

but yeah, bracers make the spec more complex

[nimble tartan]

might go dh in bfa monkaS

[shrewd oriole]

rtb bracers outlaw has far more decision making than assa

[keen inlet]

@old sphinx You have to talk to different outlaws. Depends on the fight and gearing strat--SND gear values change wildly, and there's a lot of room for experimentation

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan ive thought about it. I really like the idea of being M+ tank as needed.

and I hate alts.

So either 3xdps or a flexer

[old sphinx]

higher apm is justified, but that does not nescessarilly mean higher difficulty imo

[nimble tartan]

dh is just much more promising as a spec in terms of future innovation and fun than rogue imo...

[hoary copper]

I have 8 characters at 110, I have NO idea what I'll main in bfa

[keen inlet]

@old sphinx right, but that's why I put "complexity" in quotes

[nimble tartan]

noobe the vengeance changes seem really cool too

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[keen inlet]

I think there's a decent case to be made that more decisions per minute is more difficult/complicated

[shrewd oriole]

DH seems sick

[lone junco]

rtb is so many apms. and shit man, if it isnt worse than the worst i could ever do on purpose for sin.

[nimble tartan]

honestly triple dps classes are super archaic

[shrewd oriole]

my problem with not going triple dps is that often if the dps spec is bad you're stuck with a bad class

[keen inlet]

apm can be high but involve few decisions

[hoary copper]

I havent seen all of these changes, I guess I'll have to google/youtube search

[old sphinx]

I can agree with that

[lone junco]

I love the mass grip.

[shrewd oriole]

triple dps always at least has 1 good spec

it's hardly ever triple trash

[lone junco]

^ tends to

hardly ever triple trash

[keen inlet]

well

talk to warriors

they've always got a tank spec

and they've always got a dps spec in top 5

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble tartan]

i jut think the future of new classes in wow will stray away from triple dps specs 100%

[lone junco]

no mass grip

[shrewd oriole]

^^^^^^^^^

[nimble tartan]

its just something archaic we have from past

[shrewd oriole]

prot is a joke

ever since EN

lul

[nimble tartan]

and cant change because people would be mad

[keen inlet]

We need a new ranged class if anything

[haughty harness]

And every race has the warrior class available

[nimble tartan]

dh is a great example of not needing a 3rd spec and being fine

[shrewd oriole]

you mean

[keen inlet]

but I'm becoming convinced blizz has no idea what to do/how to do a new ranged

[shrewd oriole]

every blood elf Kappa?

Idk what they could add either tbh tho jose

[lone junco]

Demo tank.

[nimble tartan]

the new survival looks super cool

[shrewd oriole]

like can you think of a whole new unique ranged class concept

that wont feel similar to something already existant

[keen inlet]

bard 🤣

it's meme buuuuut....

[old sphinx]

they should make a ranged rogue, one that specializes on throwing kunais and throwstars and shit

[lone junco]

you mean actual Buff/debuffs?

like EQ enchanter

[shrewd oriole]

dunno I could see a bard

[keen inlet]

I mean they're bringing buffs/debuffs back

[unreal coyote]

i dont think bard wll ever be in wow

[keen inlet]

why not, you know?

[shrewd oriole]

a spec that focuses on buffing

[lone junco]

ENCH

[shrewd oriole]

but then that easily becomes either mandatory or complete trash

[nimble tartan]

ye that wouldnt work in wow unfortunately

[keen inlet]

make it a fusion buffer/healer with dps spells, uses a bow

[lone junco]

lol the most boring, most effective mother fucker in the group

[keen inlet]

easy

[unreal coyote]

yeah

we have one of those

[lone junco]

-slow boss by 10%
Haste Raid by 15%

[unreal coyote]

forget the name

tyrande basically

its lore supported

i just forget the name

[nimble tartan]

ud have to make dps checks that accomodate a class that wouldnt do as much damage but buffs others by the value of 1 dps class OR u can just bring 1 dps class with utility

[keen inlet]

moon priestess?

[lone junco]

I loved charmed pet dps.

[unreal coyote]

yeh

[hoary copper]

The new survival looks interesting @nimble tartan

[keen inlet]

that's a priest

lol

[haughty harness]

Of elune

[shrewd oriole]

moon priestess is a priest and a hunter combined

[unreal coyote]

theres not much left in the lore

[hoary copper]

Tinkerer would be interesting range melee class

[unreal coyote]

battle mage (please god never)

[nimble tartan]

have void hunters

[keen inlet]

idk that a priest/hunter combo's going to be very interesting tbh

[old sphinx]

I mean there's always room for new lore

[keen inlet]

and I feel like blizz missed the boat by not making sub rogues the melee void/shadow priest equiv

[unreal coyote]

wot

oh

read that wrong

yeah

[shrewd notch]

bard doesn't have to be some dude with a guitar.. you can do something like taskmaster... or some inspirational leader type like prot wars kind of are

[unreal coyote]

but rogues arent rooted in that stuff

[nimble tartan]

theres a space for a physical based range spec

[haughty harness]

Void rogue

[nimble tartan]

thats what id like to see

[unreal coyote]

hunters?

[hoary copper]

They could make outlaw a hybrid melee range spec

[nimble tartan]

ye theres only 1

thats why theres a space think itd feel good

[keen inlet]

actually

as much as I hate to admit it

[haughty harness]

Shadow hunters? Those glaive throwing trolls

[keen inlet]

the Tinker class made the most sense to me

tank spec, ranged spec, healer spec

[hoary copper]

They already have mech suits

[unreal coyote]

yeah something like that wouldnt be awful

[haughty harness]

Tinker would be awesome

[keen inlet]

and engineering hasn't gotten the love/attention it deserves for years at this point

i'd rather have them prune some professions entirely tbh

they still can't figure out what to do with inscription

[shrewd oriole]

yeah lol

[keen inlet]

(despite many good suggestions over the years)

[lone junco]

sticky bombs and charge blasts? Gimme some halo phasers

[shrewd oriole]

vantus runes arent a terrible idea idk

[lone junco]

(now that they are instance wide btw)

single boss was trash

[nimble tartan]

feel like the tinkerer engi dps would be turret based

[hoary copper]

Stun bombs like Imonar's or doing trip wires would be fun

[lone junco]

like PoE totem spec

lol

[haughty harness]

Lazers

[nimble tartan]

like gazlowe in hots jsut droppin turrets can shoot lazers with them

[lone junco]

call it lightning. w/e

[haughty harness]

Explosives

[keen inlet]

I mean

I'd play it.

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan speak to me about DH. is the aplha timing going to be 2min meta or back to 5mins?

[haughty harness]

Boots with malfunctions etc....

[keen inlet]

And let them wear mail.

[lone junco]

I cant do 5mins

[nimble tartan]

they lowered meta cd

[keen inlet]

or plate. Mail would be better tho.

or just get rid of mail armor. idk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble tartan]

think 3 min iirc

[haughty harness]

Mail tinkerer, would fit right now, cruz there's only 2 mail users right now

[lone junco]

way better.

they can work in that "additional meta" times like a tiny enrage

but 5mins was bullshit

I have shoulder/wrists.

[unreal coyote]

if they add another leather class i will just scream

[keen inlet]

Yo

[lone junco]

need a ranged dps with tank spec.

[keen inlet]

did Blizz explain what's happening to demons post-Argus, lore-wise?

[lone junco]

Ill take Demo Pet tanks. soul link.

[unreal coyote]

they said rogue factions would exist

[keen inlet]

like their god got rocked

[unreal coyote]

that isnt what kept them alive

demons were around before sarg

[keen inlet]

I know

but they lost their immortality

[unreal coyote]

theyre tied to the nether

technically you have to kill them in the nether

for them to die

[keen inlet]

And they've only been loosely described in past lore as like, various races that are mysterious

[unreal coyote]

the chronicle says a little

[keen inlet]

I thought they lost that with Argus' world soul collapse

[haughty harness]

Demons where races that got pwned and conquered

[unreal coyote]

the chronicle is canon

as far as i know

argus is just a world soul sarg used

[keen inlet]

I understood it as wow established that corruption of argus' world soul was what was the "engine" of their immortality

[unreal coyote]

i dont think so-they were using it as a pwr source

[keen inlet]

And we un-did that by taking out Aggramar

[unreal coyote]

but unless theyre going back on whats in the chronicle

[keen inlet]

(and Argus)

[unreal coyote]

demons will still exist just fine

[keen inlet]

Chronicle didn't cover Antorus tho

like this is "new" lore

so I'd assume it overwrites it

until next chronicle comes out

[unreal coyote]

march

this story wont be in the chronicle for a while

[nimble tartan]

i think argus was like the headquarters for the legion in this Galaxy sort of thing. So they were chillin there cause it was their home away from home to fuck with azeroth nearby

[lone junco]

is there a Sin Summary BFA notes? Ive seen stuff scattered.

[unreal coyote]

i dont recall them saying anything but that argus was harnessed

their origins and home is still the nether

far as i know

they lost a leader but they will still do their thing

[lone junco]

ugh. lore

[unreal coyote]

without lore

we have nothing

LEST YOU NOT FORGET

[lone junco]

you over sell the lore component.

I played CS for years. just shoot the other team.

stab baddies.

[unreal coyote]

oh i mean i dont care as much as some

but

this game was spawned from lore

[lean hill]

I couldn't tell you shit about wow lore. I skip most quest text and cut scenes lol

[lone junco]

meh

I watch cut scenes 1 time. mostly for lols

[unreal coyote]

like you dont have to like the beatles

[hoary copper]

I cared at vanilla, but now I'm like meh

[unreal coyote]

but you have to respect what they did for music

[lone junco]

more like Beat Less

no you dont.

[nimble tartan]

lore in wow is cool man

[lean hill]

I was so confused when illidan blew up that crystal man. I see it there skip a scene and now it's in pieces

[unreal coyote]

its like a harry potter fan not respecting tolkien

like

bitch please

[lone junco]

Only lore i like is Big Hair Devo

@lean hill I call him "Scissor Ghost " made me lol out loud

Wtf did i collect his parts for anyway. fucking illidan. a dog will never be caged.

[hoary copper]

Illidan is a meme

[upper sinew]

Does mutilate still require daggers on the alpha?

[lean hill]

I collected his parts because my quest told me to lol

[lone junco]

lol ye

[hoary copper]

You make that sound dirty Dacx

[lone junco]

and hit esc as fast as possible while a voice box was in the way

[lean hill]

I would probably do dirty things if a quest asked me to

[lone junco]

@lean hill I have found my quest bro.

[lean hill]

Too much power

[lone junco]

do you do achieves ?

like for the sake of "fun"

[hoary copper]

"Go to Goldshire and meet the gnome. He is waiting for you upstairs"

[lean hill]

If I get bored I do. But then I get bored of that

[keen inlet]

bleh

I am not looking forward

to 4x weapons

if I want to change between sin/sub and otl

[lean hill]

Maybe for a title or mount. But if it takes a lot of work forget it

[keen inlet]

f'n worst.

[nimble tartan]

i used to like doing achieves and loremaster and mount collecting but then legio came along and ruined it ALL

i cant wait to collect weapons dude that sht is gonna be cool

[keen inlet]

@nimble tartan I was pretty exhaustive about it until late MOP...and then in WoD I completely stopped caring

[lone junco]

esp non TF weps. So you guys can kick dirt in my face for being a normy scrub

❤

[keen inlet]

skipped WoD archaeology entirely

[lean hill]

Oh no
TF weapons

Kill me now

[unreal coyote]

they wont

[nimble tartan]

its ok we scale of AP now lul

[ripe dock]

yo is there any assa talent sims up for alpha?

[unreal coyote]

10ilvls max

wf

[nimble tartan]

tfw weapons are stat sticks now

[unreal coyote]

also abilities are being tied to AP

and not weap dmg

[lone junco]

TF is the only way for me to be competitive. thx blizzord.

do shitty easy content 1000 times, and forge out of my brackets

[upper sinew]

In theory with the weapon damage changes combat daggers might actually be somewhat viable again

[lean hill]

I don't want people who do lower content competing with me lol

[lone junco]

mythic nerds.

[keen inlet]

@upper sinew while I'd like that from a play ease/mechanics perspective

I admit I never liked combat daggers

[lone junco]

(id be a mythic nerd if I could)

[keen inlet]

the sole exception being the legendary daggers.

[unreal coyote]

combat daggers in vanilla

was fkin aids

[lean hill]

And I'm a bad mythic nerd. Would feel stronger about it if I was top end I'm sure

[keen inlet]

and class fantasy for OTL would need to change somewhat, I think

[nimble tartan]

do it noobe

[unreal coyote]

period

[nimble tartan]

theres always a guild out there accomodating for a time slot

[unreal coyote]

it was great dmg but it was awful

[upper sinew]

yeah, but at least it gives you options

[lone junco]

would need to recruit like 8 people. or get a new guild

maybe we will fall out, and someone on thrall will suck me up

[nimble tartan]

whats ur guild prog at?

[upper sinew]

did I just say combat daggers again?

[lone junco]

10/11 h

going to lock out and kill argus this week.

[nimble tartan]

ye maybe if u wanna do mythic prob have to find another guild

[unreal coyote]

h?

[lone junco]

953 now

[nimble tartan]

953 pogchamp

[lone junco]

king of the 953 bracket tho

[unreal coyote]

you can raid mythi on almost any schedule

[upper sinew]

guess the spec will always be combat to me

[unreal coyote]

there are even 1 day mythic guilds

[lean hill]

My last guild fell apart when the leader decided he didn't want to lead any more. I'm glad now, was being held way back by it

[shrewd oriole]

kek

[lone junco]

we did a few bosses mythic EN. but lost 3x at the wrong time.

was hard to recover from

[shrewd oriole]

thrall

is that EU or NA

[nimble tartan]

a friends guild that were 10/11m maybe a couple raid days from killing argus just implode and break up

sucks

[lean hill]

NA

[lone junco]

then were in mythic NH and lost 2x.

we will prob get a few mythic ToS. before end of expac

NA Thrall Horde

our guys dont stomach more than like 30 wipes in a night.

[shrewd oriole]

it's really hard to raid on dead realms

you just cant recruit

[lone junco]

people start getting braindead

[shrewd oriole]

rip

[lean hill]

Hard to get to 20, even harder to go from any 20 to the right 20

[hoary copper]

I'm on a fairly dead realm, just hard to move with cost. I think our realm is like 3rd to last

[unreal coyote]

low pop server unless you xfer there with a guild that can pull off server peeps easily

is such a waste of sub

[strange python]

Infexious gaming, is that guy a good source for advice or is it psuedo science?

[unreal coyote]

i played on low pop for like 5years

never again

[lone junco]

@frigid briar Infexious gaming, is that guy a good source for advice or is it psuedo science? ( ^^question up there)

[upper sinew]

well, according to OUTL class fantasy you should be using swords and not other weapons. I think they should just let the player decide.

[shrewd oriole]

idk why play on low pop honestly

some people like it

[hoary copper]

We used to be fairly populated, idk what happened. RP realm lawl

[frigid briar]

science for sure

[lone junco]

strong accent to boot

[old quartz]

can someone link a rupture mouseover macro?

[unreal coyote]

mouseover macro you think this si fucking healer chat??

[upper sinew]

Which is why it might be a good time to open assassination and sub weapon choices with abilities based off of AP

[shrewd oriole]

eoc mate

[old quartz]

^

[hoary copper]

/cast [exists, @leaden hemlockeover][@Target] Rupture ?

[lean hill]

You raid regular times right noobe? Like early evening?

[hoary copper]

oops bad ping

[lone junco]

t/w 8:30pst

we do fine. just slow going around holidays.

[main monolith]

hi guys one question, does this racial increase the damage of poisons?

[shrewd oriole]

yes

[lone junco]

goal is to clear heroic before next tier releases. on target for sure.

[keen inlet]

mfw being compared to pseudoscience

[frigid briar]

EoC will not drop for me. Around 30 runs this week and havnt seen it drop for anyone

[unreal coyote]

it increases how shitty you look

[shrewd oriole]

that's the wrong elf tho @main monolith

[unreal coyote]

as a dollar store nelf

[old quartz]

i got a 960 out of chest last week, super lucky

[lone junco]

I cant complain, i got 2 useful rings from SadBox

[old quartz]

hence the need for rupture macro lol

[lapis trout]

Anyone able to tell me which M+ dungeons I should be running for gear>

[unreal coyote]

the dungeon journal

will tell you

[frigid briar]

upper kara

[hoary copper]

Upper x's 1000000000000

[frigid briar]

dht for rings I believe

[unreal coyote]

and neck

[shrewd oriole]

maw for neck

[lapis trout]

I heard upper was good, but I never see any groups in my ilvl range, all 13+

[unreal coyote]

maw?

[shrewd oriole]

cuz if you cant open the dungeon journal you're a floor hugger

[unreal coyote]

dht has heavy mast/crit neck

[shrewd oriole]

so the % movespeed will be gucci

[lapis trout]

alright, thanks all

[unreal coyote]

LOL

[frigid briar]

just look at journal for anything mastery crit, fill all spots and sim yourself

[nimble tartan]

Why do u need a macro for rup with eoc

[shrewd oriole]

??

[leaden hemlock]

😩

[frigid briar]

no switch target means no EoC reset

[shrewd oriole]

the stacks drop if you tab target rupture

well if you get an AA in whilst tab targeting

[nimble tartan]

Oh for aa

[jovial kite]

REEEEEEE

30m aggramar reprogress wipep

[nimble tartan]

Ohhbb

Never thought about that actually

Cause I never got a fuckin eoc

[frigid briar]

only problem though

[distant grail]

on m portal keeper on portal duty do ppl usually save cds for the add or gopo ham the first 10 secs?

[frigid briar]

I believe with BotA and PB wil proc on the target you macro not your main target

not massive issue but its cucked me a few times

[bold dune]

that's wrong infexious, stop spreading misinformation you goober

shit am I allowed to say goober in here

[nimble tartan]

Why wouldn't bota and pb proc on the target you are rupturing monkaS

[unreal coyote]

you guys get argus yet nelbur?

[bold dune]

idk it just procs on whomever you have targeted

[frigid briar]

try it

[nimble tartan]

Henlo nelbur how is the guild are you asserting your dominance on the charts

[bold dune]

these guys are pretty insane lol

[quick talon]

ty

[bold dune]

the trash pulls they do for the sake of efficiency are pretty interesting

also not allowed to stream the mumble audio 😦

[quick talon]

😦

[nimble tartan]

Dam now u have to have actual content

Yikes

[bold dune]

yeah idk how I'm gonna do that

[quick talon]

just do it

[nimble tartan]

Just talk

[bold dune]

need to get a webcam

[keen inlet]

people can read lips

obv

[nimble tartan]

Nastycam

[bold dune]

Yeah I do talk to my chat but I think the mumble discord would be highly entertaining

also it wouldn't be the nastycam because I dropped the nasty

it's just nelbur now

[hoary copper]

its not the same?

[nimble tartan]

Dam dropped the nasty dropped the dps

A shame

[quick talon]

He grew up so fast 😢

[bold dune]

no 😠

I was dunking pretty hard my first night

[nimble tartan]

Sin dunking pogchamp

[bold dune]

only had one full night, then like 30 minutes of a second night to rekill argus

[nimble tartan]

Ezclap

[bold dune]

did you join PC @nimble tartan

[nimble tartan]

Yeee

[bold dune]

nice 😄

[nimble tartan]

It's actually pretty fun I like it so far

[bold dune]

yeah they're pretty memey lol

[lone junco]

⚠

wut

[bold dune]

surprisingly MW is pretty memey too

[nimble tartan]

I'm not surprised

[bold dune]

lol I thought it was gonna be super professional

I was wrong

[nimble tartan]

Def like guilds like this more than guilds with some sticks up the ass

[bold dune]

yeah it's chill, HC wasn't chill at all at the end of me being there

then again what would one expect after 400 argus pulls

[nimble tartan]

Monkas

4pp

[lone junco]

where are you now? orm is nurfed

[nimble tartan]

400

No I'm not in nurfed anymore

[lone junco]

nulber is midwinter?

[nimble tartan]

I'm in parse culture

[bold dune]

yeah final pull count was 450 even

and yeah I joined MW

[lone junco]

I used to jerk over the hpal logs from MW.

[nimble tartan]

Nelbur big boy day raiding pogchamp

Make usa great again

[lone junco]

had to pack that away when I started rogue.

[bold dune]

now you can jerk off over my logs in MW

[lone junco]

meh. not bleed.

[nimble tartan]

Yikes

[lone junco]

carry on

[bold dune]

bleed is for casual plebs

[lone junco]

the one true spec

[bold dune]

nice AoE lol jk it blows

[lone junco]

anything over 50% crit, non shoulder is worth looking at.

[bold dune]

it's pretty easy to stay under 50% crit

[lone junco]

Im not into 🙏

[bold dune]

I feel like you have to make a conscious effort to stack crit to make it north of 50%

[lone junco]

I am. and i like it

like I said. I like builds over 50% crit

is worth looking at.

[bold dune]

also I feel like 50% is an arbitrary goalpost

[lone junco]

99% mut crit on Argus was my goalpost

felt goodman

[bold dune]

how'd that work for you

[lone junco]

I had a window of 100% crit

[quick talon]

Atleast poisons and bleeds working with haste in bfa

maybe have an actual specc to play

[lone junco]

meh bfa.

[bold dune]

poison build got me rank five on both heroic and mythic argus lol

js no one's playing bleed competitively

[dreamy silo]

!trinket

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[solemn vapor]

but if i pool 50%~ crit outside shoulders, how much % will i get to mastery

?

[quick talon]

noobe how u not hyped for bfa

[lone junco]

I was super hype for 400$ exang. and they stole it from me

I trust no one.

ill just wait.

[quick talon]

Ah good days

40% bracers thereshold

[nimble tartan]

I'm only hyped for dh in bfa

Rogue residentsleeper af

[lone junco]

that 400% on the HFC robot was fucking LOL

[quick talon]

🥄

[lone junco]

would be equiv spike to 12M now.

then flat till 45 sec.

talk about priority add

RIP

[unreal coyote]

hyped for dh

lulz

[lone junco]

the only thing that would make me happy for BFA would be pally mastery going back to an absorb bubble

aside that, idc

[unreal coyote]

hyped for potato

[signal summit]

Isnt dh in bfa actually Looking really bad ?😅

Looks like they Will suck hard in m+ etc atleast

But atleast No one Button specc

[bold dune]

why are you talking about how any spec's going to perform in BFA rn

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan dps dh gets aoe fire ? is that a charge system or just a cd.

[deft sparrow]

if you both have KB and TB on CD. Use KB first and when 9 sec's left, u use TB. I'm correct here?

[hoary copper]

Its beginning of alpha, what happens right now probably wont matter anyway

[lone junco]

@deft sparrow I would do it the other way around, TBKB.

esp if you have vendetta

there are lots of logs going either way, but poison bomb makes more difference tbh.

[deft sparrow]

but the guide says you want to use TB on the last 8 seconds..

ideally...

[lone junco]

pretty sure it says, if you dont delay more than 5 sec.

that means TBKB.

but. a bigger dps will result from Vendetta TB KB Env Mut4 env mut4 env

[deft sparrow]

14 sec KB, using TB on 9 seconds left on KB... that would just hit the 5 second delay mark

[lone junco]

right. so if you have them both up . then us TBKB. If kb is up before you can KB . . . . . . . .. . TB

do whatever you want. nothing matters.

pb will make or break you

[gaunt moat]

if you'd wait to delay TB everytime for the last seconds of KB, you're probably going to miss 1 or 2 TB casts

you'd lose more than you'd gain

[deft sparrow]

so TB KB is the way to go... in most cases

[lost horizon]

Just use things as they come off CD 👌

[deft sparrow]

yeah, i did.. just wanted to know the most "ideal" way

[lone junco]

On top of that, you could do this, if your gear were perfect

Vendet TB KB 3env during TB.

delays his TB some, but has really good results.

but requires 4cp muts and godly gear

[deft sparrow]

will take a look into it later, raiding now

thx

[lone junco]

not worry about that guy, unless you can hit 40+ crit 200M

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/twisting-nether/angélcry

[safe matrix]

man, the one thing about assa that egts me is pooling for TB

[lone junco]

( for anyone wondering, that is a 0MA Bracer Boot, vendetta TB Kb alignment. It looks really nice if you have the relics for it)

[safe matrix]

I just have the need to spam envenom

like I do evis

but no SoD in this god forsaken spec FeelsBadMan

[jovial kite]

aggra down

fuck this shit

[lone junco]

if your vendetta is close enough you can vendet Tb kb env mut env mut env

[safe matrix]

you dont vendetta on cd right?

you wait for the next TB

[lone junco]

with 0ma and boots it aligns for every other tbkb

[safe matrix]

Ah, I have 0MA and boots sims lower

I need better relics

[lone junco]

this is not in the sim.

this is real.

😉

[gaunt moat]

@jovial kite grats

[safe matrix]

shoulders/wrists easier to play imo

and I'm lazy

[gaunt moat]

@safe matrix i also usually spam most things... needing to pool is pretty rare. and even then, and for short durations.

[lone junco]

easier. you mean gambling bombs in shoulder takes away the personal input

[gaunt moat]

it's not like it was back in ToV with eleborate planning.

[safe matrix]

how much energy do you want to have going into TB?

with vigor talent*

[jovial kite]

tthanks notter

hate that boss

so

and if your grippers are acoustic