rogue got a 970 yesterday and was going to trade me, i was locked. sigh
#assassination
quick ice
I have a 965, my 945 fang is still better
wise frigate
I bonus rolled Argus' Fel relic which put my Sub and my Outlaw weapon above my Sin weapon. 982 Outlaw, 979 Sub, 973 Sin. Even my WW weapon when she's 950 is higher at like 979
onyx rock
Not have a 1000 Weapon in 2018... you even play the game ??????
vapid moth
I'll be in a raid with 10 other people that use the fucking relic and it just won't fucking drop
Primary
I beggeth of you
Let me run it with you
onyx rock
Depletet key incomin
prime void
yo why are brez's so fucked in p1 argus
vapid moth
That's like the one dungeon I know
prime void
Shit's dumb
vapid moth
Vault I know too though. Lowkey
prime void
you know vault on lowkeys?
vapid moth
Poor wording
quick ice
what do you mean brez is fucked?
quick ice
try not dying to death fog 😃
lone junco
nice. 50% crit as snd. with a shit wep. sims just under my sin set.
vapid moth
Save the brez?
exotic glen
thats deathfog thats fucked, not brez
turbid harbor
the solution is to not die to death fog
lone junco
😐
prime void
didnt have to do with saving the brez
exotic glen
you literally have to wait until the p1 > p2 transition before you take the ress
prime void
It just sucks if your healer fucks up to deathfog
and now you're just wiping the phase
exotic glen
theres nothing to do about it
vapid moth
Have you guys ever tanked argus off center in heroic? You know how much easier that is?
quick ice
in P1?
prime void
Argus heroic is ez regardless
vapid moth
Yes
exotic glen
what % you at mizuxe?
vapid moth
The cone takes up like 1/4 the room
prime void
a SOLID 61%
exotic glen
solid
vapid moth
Cause they all overlap.
exotic glen
nice
exotic glen
do you beat the dps check?
exotic glen
ur fat
prime void
thanks bb
vapid moth
I'm fat
vapid moth
I live in my moms basement
onyx rock
I have a sixpack
quick ice
That's lbs I hope?
vapid moth
With piles of doritos bags and mountain few cans
lone junco
moms basement doesnt sound so bad.
house payment is a lot.
and fuck fixing the fence.
vapid moth
It does when she rapes little boys there once a week
onyx rock
🤔
exotic glen
didnt know you were a little boy
vapid moth
I love this chat
gaunt moat
Come to assassination channel
Discussion about enslaving your children
onyx rock
Jo nottet
wise frigate
Leaves assassination channel
vapid moth
@gaunt moat that's how children become assassination rogues
We're good guys. I covered for us
onyx rock
🤔
vapid moth
I gotta do this Calc hw but I don't wanna
Ugh why could i never take basket weaving class
onyx rock
Hw = homework ?
vapid moth
Yes
onyx rock
👶
vapid moth
Wut
onyx rock
So i guess you didnt saw David Hasslehof at the Berliner Mauer sing ?
vapid moth
No I don't believe so
vapid moth
Cool lol
onyx rock
I guess @manic vigil knows what i am talking about
lone junco
if im not careful. ill push my snd right past exang.
shit
51crit 50m. makes me lol.
exotic glen
everyone knows that if sim 5dps more in one spec, you have to play that no matter what
quick ice
Fact
prime void
100% fact
jovial kite
The ass was fat
exotic glen
i actually feel like noobe lives in this discord
doesnt matter what time of day i check in, the last 50 messages will always be at least 10% noobe
dire spoke
damn 4h no aeonaxx
ancient sonnet
muh SnD already surpassed my sin by 100k dps
gilded lark
zealous dew
what the hell is that
exotic glen
looks like bracers i think
zealous dew
c00l
dire spoke
ugghh
exotic glen
ugghh
exotic glen
imagine if there existed a print screen button
gilded lark
@pale zodiac learn how to take a screenshot you filth
pale zodiac
😭 😭
lone junco
whew. good news. higher sim or not. im still bad at outlaw
2.03M
2.01M
they could prob be the same actual if i practiced, but the whole contact time thing is bullshit.
lone junco
sure
turbid harbor
my snd broke 2.2m with 10 pantheon trinkets
prime void
2.2
turbid harbor
i don't want to press 2 buttons
prime void
big numbers
prime void
outlaw is actually so fun
turbid harbor
but i can still parse
prime void
just with it was more consistent
but then again I play sin
so
pretty much contemplating my life choices over here
exotic glen
should probably start gearing outlaw spec soon
need to parse over everyone on my server on all 3 specs on every single boss
thats my goal rest of this expac
strange python
gl fh relics gamblen
marsh plume
anyone have tips for new rouge players?
gilded lark
spell the class correctly.
exotic glen
read a guide
gilded lark
Shantal, now with 6% less agony and corruption
granite agate
can anyone confirm the leggo item u get when u have all class leggos not resetting badluck protection similar to the synethized ones
wise frigate
Blizz confirmed it at some point, just like Argunite and the purchased ones.
midnight latch
👀
zealous dew
naya is watching... behave boyz
midnight latch
^
jovial kite
slim estuary
So far when I have asked for rotation advice I have had nothing and "go read the guide". Anyone able to help out now?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rpMmFcTNYtDL2WPH
old sphinx
@slim estuary your opener looks okay...
your Energy and Combopoints look fine too
4 MA tho ?
I'd say you're doin fine ^^
maybe aim for more garrote and Rupture uptime, but it's not bad
fiery cradle
zzz
viscid helm
This channel is as dead as Nayas dps
viscid helm
Fuck off
warm parcel
😗
old sphinx
s a l t y
viscid helm
Got like 4h a sleep last night after the movie
viscid helm
6/10
old sphinx
What'd you watch ?
quick talon
I guess those cuties watched the new fifty shades of grey
zealous dew
the Snowman
lapis jungle
Is there any guides to which m+ to farm for BiS gear?
warm parcel
Its bis when it has crit and mas
hoary moon
best in slot ring and neck in darkheart and other bis ring from arcway
crystal fox
iiiiiiit's weeeeeeeekend 🎶
hoary moon
hey guys i have two questions about the rotation
1: do we ever pool energy, like ive been hitting env as soon as possible, should i wait until previous buff drops or just hit it, and
2: i never mutilate at 4 combo points, i just use finisher, should i hit fan of knives for 5th?
zealous dew
- the higher the total envenom uptime is the better, 2 finish at 4cp
hoary moon
does envenom have pandemic or always 5 or 6 seconds depending on combos
zealous dew
pandemic
hoary moon
ah sweet thank you
zealous dew
i'll never get why ppl buy 101 purple for 50k / piece
shrewd oriole
twinks idk
zealous dew
mah...
obsidian spire
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
worthy thistle
@zealous dew buy 840 gear on a dh, boost 4 guys for an hour, repeat 10 times and u just made ur millski back
midnight latch
👺
gaunt moat
👹
hardy pewter
cat on my lap just dropped a poison bomb 👺
crystal fox
inbefore haste>mastery=versa>crit
viscid helm
Did they nerf energy gain then
warm parcel
nop
viscid helm
Id assume they will
warm parcel
regen is slow as it is
gaunt moat
well there's the venom rush nerf
vapid moth
Notter it was more of a rework than a nerf
gaunt moat
if you look at the whole picture, you could phrase it like that
but specificly, talking aobut that ability. it was nerfed.
but we're gonna take exsang or TB anyways probably
shrewd oriole
MM hunter looks so cool in the beta that I boosted a hunter
Had a token leggo from my rogue for it
Got sephuz
: ) benched until bfa it is
torn coyote
2nd master assinatiion relic ueless right ?
viscid helm
No
torn coyote
really ?
i thought it was useless
cuz relic ranking said 1 or 3 master assisnation relic
unique cosmos
my sims are lower when i use a relic(sameilvl and t2) with master assassin, like 30k lower
it must mess with the timings of vendetta plus kb and tb
crystal fox
atleast you tried flowi
midnight latch
he didnt even try
torn coyote
what are u talking about ?
sullen root
I can't wait to be a leather shadow priest in BFA. More bleed tix monkAS
ashen fossil
hey peeps
anyone feel like taking a look at my logs and tell me what I'm doing wrong? I can't pinpoint it myself for some reason. I'm pretty new to assa 😒
sullen root
I can try. I'm bored at work whilst my boss ignores something he has to look at.
sullen root
So, my first thought is just kill speed.
Your log would have been better had your guild killed it ~30-40seconds faster like a lot of guilds do atm.
shrewd oriole
that's a really slow kill
midnight latch
♿
ashen fossil
yeah we had lots of alts in there yesterday
sullen root
I dare say you would be getting close to orange if it wasn't pleb kill speed. I mean, I'm no mathematician but looking at casts, procs etc, looks like a good pull.
shrewd oriole
That was my latest kill like 3 weeks ago
so yeah, pleb dps will stop you from getting better ranks
sullen root
Yeah I am in a pretty average mythic guild and we kill it around 4mins-4mins20 usually.
So 5mins is huge
ashen fossil
true, but I can't feel like I'm doing something wrong in the rotation itself, I see people talking about lining up KB with second vendetta
but that never happens to me for some reason 😛
or is that a boots only thing?
leggo boots I mean
sullen root
Im actually not sure on that cause I got cucked on relics after the PK meme
zealous dew
PK is real
sullen root
so I have no idea what 3x malc+mass feels like
I have a 980 shadow relic that beats every malc+mass relic that doesnt hit 965, so.
Oh I missed that, yeah 2nd pot during execute is standard procedure for nearly every encounter.
zealous dew
I'm really playing like shit lately
gaunt moat
Naya would know best
crystal fox
he's not far off,just ask something stupid and he'll be right here insulting you
manic vigil
Don't make promises you can't keep ☺
crystal fox
try it
ashen fossil
thanks for the isight peeps ❤
manic vigil
Did flowi help, too?
😃
Okay whatever
He was right btw, this channel was dead while I was gone. Usually I need at least another hour to catch up
crystal fox
it's dead because everyone was asleep or not home yet lol
midnight latch
@gaunt moat can you not make fun of me pls
crystal fox
dont worry naya, my dps sucks too 🤷
gaunt moat
i'm not making fun, i'm supporting your claim
you have more insight into making mistakes
midnight latch
this fucking guy
wise frigate
Don't worry Naya, the as the President of the Shit DPS Club, I have a t-shirt waiting for you.
"the as" okay me.
wise frigate
Apparently I'm also President of the "Wtf was that English" Club.
In my defense it's just past 9 AM and I haven't slept yet.
midnight latch
you mean president of the "Is that even English?" club
but I wanted to spill some news
midnight latch
I mean notter made mistakes in a certain game aswell
wise frigate
I think I'm going to sleep now.
manic vigil
Naya after getting bullied you shouldn't just go bully someone else. We have to break the vicious cycle 😞
wise frigate
Animal Crossing?
midnight latch
so it was weak and I who were left
gaunt moat
hmm excuse me
gaunt moat
do you even remember your last turns on the last boss
wise frigate
Notter cracking his knuckles before the smackdown.
midnight latch
🤷
crystal fox
🍿
crystal fox
naya ❤
midnight latch
@crystal fox ❤
manic vigil
Mystler is streaming rn
midnight latch
weak is streaming alpha aswell
manic vigil
A bunch of guys do
manic vigil
Yeah but you never know who's speaking on weak's stream
midnight latch
everyone is alpha male I know 
manic vigil
Too sketchy
midnight latch
I mean
manic vigil
😏
crystal fox
we're too beta to get alpha
midnight latch
the really deep voice is me
the finish accents are weak and @jovial kite
the russian voices are lorentz or yago
notter did not talk on any stream I believe
🤔
crystal fox
who's the third reich sounding one?
warm parcel
notter did talk earlier
manic vigil
You need a cam and become a full time streamer weak 👌
manic vigil
👌
manic vigil
Absolutely
crystal fox
all i can say is gimme bfa now cause i want to mog those coats
hallow sonnet
I haven't found any coat so far in bfa
unreal coyote
watching mystler jump around on giant frog
hallow sonnet
But there's a lot more to come, and I've only done the horde place. Thematically it should be on Kul Tiras rather
unreal coyote
pretty great
crystal fox
i saw some comment about those coats being green questrewards while leveling, and it should be on kul tiras
hallow sonnet
I'll have to check on that when I start on alliance sides
crystal fox
i really do hope we get em
hallow sonnet
The NPC coats looks really neat though
crystal fox
indeed
hallow sonnet
Left one
crystal fox
yeah..
midnight latch
someone tagged me 🤔
viscid helm
🤔
warm parcel
You racist?
gaunt moat
no racism please
unreal coyote
fight me
gaunt moat
🗡
unreal coyote
assassins wear dark colors
gaunt moat
no, they wear white so they can blend in with the monks.. DUHHHH
manic vigil
😂
jovial kite
shit
warm parcel
Sub is 👉
frozen kindle
mates do we have crucible export for Assa ?
warm parcel
No edgy ninjas here
midnight latch
🤔
jovial kite
my cover is blown vanish
gaunt moat
@frozen kindle yes, check pins
viscid helm
no one is tagging you
viscid helm
🥄
jovial kite
got proof of the tagging naya? 🤔
unreal coyote
tbh we just need to be able to dye
like any other mmo
literally f2p aeria trash
has dyes
manic vigil
Gawd I love you guys so much 😂
gaunt moat
don't haress @midnight latch with tags.
hallow sonnet
I'm a bit on the fence for dye. Since it'll affect how normal/hc/mythic gear works out
midnight latch
should I show you the red notification on my rh symbol? 🤔
crystal fox
yeah,everyone stop tagging @midnight latch already
unreal coyote
also transmogging of a slot
midnight latch
@gaunt moat OUI MATE
jovial kite
or everyone asking you about vanish cheapshot
glossy galleon
void elf racial seemed so op, im surprised its so low on the charts for sin
unreal coyote
years ago
warm parcel
Its low cause it doesnt affect all dmg
jovial kite
warm parcel
So it loses out on its effect
frozen kindle
well i cant find Assa crucible export file anywhere mates ...
sacred dome
random quick question, how many hits per poison bomb?
spice surge
Did you look at the website with all the Sims and pressed the relic button?
late sable
@frozen kindle https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/#relics
gaunt moat
@hallow sonnet esay fix for that... since there are no "class gear".
make each difficulty have different looking set 😛
well, for mythic it's already different actually
hallow sonnet
That's like 4x the work
glossy galleon
"increases damage and healing effects by 5%" that is phrased incredibly wrong if it doesnt affect all damage and healing 😛
hallow sonnet
Currently they are all similar, but recolors and minor particle effect additions
unreal coyote
im just concerned because their already lazy art dept doesnt have to design tier any more
hallow sonnet
However the small changes in particle effects or "frills" will be hard to detect between two identically colored hc and mythic sets
warm parcel
Thats what I last heard
gaunt moat
is it?
cause right now it's 11 x 2 (normal/mythic)
and i'm suggesting 3 x 4 (armor types)
hallow sonnet
What lazy..?
unreal coyote
?? how many times have sets been recycled?
hallow sonnet
There's so many new art assets each patch :o
spice surge
Taking inspiration and recycling is quite different
gaunt moat
you see my point though rosvall?
hallow sonnet
Yeah I do. No more sets so it's just per armor group
unreal coyote
i suppose thats fair @spice surge
gaunt moat
but making a dye system would probably be a lot of work in itself
more work than making the sets
unreal coyote
i dont see an issue
hallow sonnet
You would need to specify what parts of the model that is dyable and not
haughty harness
Paying xpacs and sub
hallow sonnet
So you don't make it all x color. But only the labled parts change color
gaunt moat
I'm also talking in terms of UI.
unless they give something similar to transmog, where you can choose from presets-dyes
unreal coyote
other games have no issues doing it moderately well
hallow sonnet
And there's 61 008 pieces of armor they have to go back and do it for
unreal coyote
one could argue they dont have the features and polish etc
gaunt moat
yeah, i was about to say, other games have not been out for 12+ years 😛
unreal coyote
i just want that and gearslot mogging
hallow sonnet
Open up, create area, test to make sure it doesn't look awful or bad clipping
unreal coyote
so much
hallow sonnet
What is gearslot mogging?
hallow sonnet
er.. I don't want that :p
I want to be able to see when I'm in AoE gear or in ST gear etc
gaunt moat
what, tranmog merchant too expensive for you? 😛
haughty harness
With that you don't have to pay each time you swap a piece
unreal coyote
its just a qol thing
hallow sonnet
There's some value of knowing what gear you're wearing as well
manic vigil
Voidelf here, ez discount 👌
gaunt moat
you have to weigh-in qol with lore/features
if you go overboard with qol, you end up with a dumbed down game
unreal coyote
dumbed down game
🤔
im not gonna touch that one
lol
i suppose i see what youre getting at
gaunt moat
did i write it wrong?
unreal coyote
negative
haughty harness
Have you seen how many spells and abilities the classes had before WOD and legion?
hallow sonnet
Like, I'm sure everyone at some point accidentally equipped a gear piece when they were going to sell stuff or repair or similar. Then when you look at your char running around, your shoulders look weird etc
hallow sonnet
More spells doesn't really mean less depth though
glossy galleon
I dont really care if all the leather sets look exactly the same or not, but i would like to have set bonuses still... otherwise raiding for gear is literally pointless
except for maybe trinkets
jovial kite
it does in the reference of wow the game 😄
glossy galleon
i hope so
unreal coyote
and likely ones for m+ as well
glossy galleon
"obviously" yeah okay
jovial kite
less options = less reactibility = dumbed down / streamlined gameplay
gaunt moat
if there's one thing i would have liked. for real though.
IS IF THE T21 ROGUE SHOES WERE OBTAINABLE OUTSIDE PVP 😡 😡 😡
hallow sonnet
I'm willing to give this a chance. There's quite a lot nice with not having tiers. F.ex you don't get to a point where you need to farm old sets because you're wearing 4+2 or 2+2. You don't get like "Oh I opened my m+ chest and got a GREAT chest... but I Need to have my tier chest" etc..
unreal coyote
the problem wasnt tier
glossy galleon
@gaunt moat the t21 set looks like ass anyway
unreal coyote
it was tier+ 2 leggos
mental aurora
We won’t have to worry about set bonuses from 2 raids ago being BiS
glossy galleon
yeah leggos were aids
hallow sonnet
We've had the same in previous expansions as well. But you're right. Legendaries makes it even more so.
glossy galleon
the new system they put in where you buy leggos, should have just let you choose which one you want
glossy galleon
im t21-4/t20-2 boots and bracers, so i have like 3 pieces i can replace. its really dumb
mental aurora
Warglaives of azzinoth
jovial kite
i dont count wod ring and mop cape as old legendaries though
mental aurora
Shadowmourne
jovial kite
because everyone got them when they were current expa
glossy galleon
How to make tier work they way they want it to: Make new tiers better than old tiers. Make it so you can only equip 4 pieces of any tier. Dont have leggos. fixed
unreal coyote
i am willing to see what this new system will do for us
haughty harness
I've 960 pants but normal tier pants won't let me put my big boy pants ...
mental aurora
I liked the effects of the leggos, just not the idea of having so many useless ones with equal droprates to the good ones
stark heart
hey team
mental aurora
Azerite armor bonuses probably
glossy galleon
yeah hopefully the raid azerite gear has significantly better traits
unreal coyote
it wont
glossy galleon
maybe not in the first raid,
unreal coyote
m+ has been too successful
glossy galleon
like the EN raid
unreal coyote
they want those players to feel like big boys too
mental aurora
Since the bonuses are the same for every piece of that kind. ie a helm from a certain boss will always have the same bonuses
glossy galleon
they get free gear every week, thats not big boy enough for them?
unreal coyote
come on now diablo style dificulty is just as impressive as coordinating 20 people
duh
glossy galleon
@mental aurora yeah, so if they add new op traits later in the xpac, they should, in theory, only be on raid gear/gear from new 5 mans
@unreal coyote loooool
mental aurora
Hey, here’s an idea, how about you just let m+ people enjoy mythic plus, and they can let you enjoy raiding! How’s that sound?
hallow sonnet
To be fair, a lot of the high key pushes are quite a lot more cordinated than high raid kills. Considering the whole run needs to be performed well during ~half an hour and you only have one chance really
old sphinx
nyeh !
prime void
High keys take more concentration and perfect play than raiding 😪
mental aurora
I don’t raid mythic, but I don’t berate everyone who does. Just let people enjoy what they enjoy, don’t need to be a dick about it.
prime void
100% agree with @hallow sonnet
unreal coyote
prime void
Did you know the majority of top key players are also 11/11?
You dont need to "distinguish" them, when typically they're the same people
hallow sonnet
The largest flaw I see for making m+ and raiding separately competitive is that they share gear
Like they feed of eachother
prime void
Yup^
unreal coyote
this could be said due to bad itemization though
hallow sonnet
You'll likely do better in m+ if you have great raiding gear.
prime void
So many of us farmed 15s over and over when the cap got increased
mental aurora
Yeah like if a BiS item drops from m+ only, there should probably be an alternative in raids
prime void
Thats so much work and unrealistic
Also, whats really the point
Seperating them like that would lower the m+ community so much
unreal coyote
im not trying to be a dick but the fact remains gettign 5 people to do something
hallow sonnet
yeah, which is a huge drawback
prime void
I mean, think what you want, but link me your r1 keys
Because if you havent pushed, then what do you know
hallow sonnet
Sure, that's true. But it also means more pressure on each of the 5 to not mess up
shrewd oriole
dunno
hallow sonnet
Like you can literally do one of the harder bosses in mythic raids and never get hit by a mechanic
shrewd oriole
Ithink m+ is harder than raiding (at the level I raid at)
prime void
Mythic argus < a 22 maw tyran
hallow sonnet
M+ will obviously always be "harder" than raiding, since there's no cap on how "hard" m+ can be
late sable
how do you guys sync your vendetta and KB on a patchwork boss like varimathras? delay vendetta for sb? the other way around? both on cd?
shrewd oriole
But I'm only WR 200 so rn I'm pretty average
exactly
the reason m+ is "harder" is because the difficulty is infinite
prime void
Also the cc required, and perfect play for 30 minutes straighy
shrewd oriole
you use a lot more of your class' toolkit
actually using shroud just like you did cms
or blind
or kidney
it feels great imo
hallow sonnet
Mm, more decisions to make and also a lot more ways to "cheese" stuff. Like kiting or cc'ing. Which very seldom is an option in raids
shrewd oriole
exactly
prime void
But yknow- 20 ppl...
shrewd oriole
dont take me wrong, I love raiding and have been doing it for a while
but m+ is a breath of fresh air
unreal coyote
stay salty man im not saying its not hard
i just wont view it at the top level content
shrewd oriole
im not salty lol
unreal coyote
not you
unreal coyote
its ok its not worth continuing anyway
prime void
How am I salty? Lol
hallow sonnet
Measuring difficulty is really hard in this game
unreal coyote
yeah i suppose thats true
crystal fox
controlled environment = not hard, rng = hard
hallow sonnet
Like.. Is clearing Maw normal the hardest thing in the game, if you're a Windwalker monk alone without gear equipped?
desert vault
so human is the best race for alliance pve rogue? what is the bonus for human?
crystal fox
i guess the way to measure difficulty is how hard something hits regarding to your health?
glad ferry
if you only raid LFR sure
crystal fox
if something hits you for 30% every 5 seconds or 90% every 5 seconds,which is harder?
fathom wyvern
Rip hYrsch asking a question when people going off about m+
prime void
Thats one dimension of difficulty
late sable
its ok, i will wait 😄
prime void
Why would you want to simply it just down to dmg taken
And neither is hard for me? Thats on the healer
patent topaz
Lfr is certainly harder than normal
waxen arch
Anyone have time to help me with simming?
crystal fox
i mean, just a thought, if you know the fight, you know exactly what's gonna happen and when, why isn't everyone 11/11 mythic?
just follow the script and win
unreal coyote
i...
unreal coyote
please no
patent topaz
95% of people are mongos
unreal coyote
i regret everything
glad ferry
lmao
patent topaz
Also you dont pay attention 100%
patent topaz
Ive noticed that i fuck up more since ive started working full time
crystal fox
it's just some friday thoughts, dont go die on me boys
shrewd oriole
prime void
It was just one of those things you should think about before actually typing it
shrewd oriole
is it time
crystal fox
affl warlock reroll inc?
shrewd oriole
for the tomlock
manic vigil
Wl 👌
shrewd oriole
tomh got a sephuz's yday
desert vault
I've gotten 3 priest leggo tokens, one from buying and two drops ... spriest here I come!
shrewd oriole
I'd boost a lock but Im short on cash this month
bought a fucking festival ticket
maybe next mnonth
manic vigil
I dig it. Always loved affli tho even when it was shite
crystal fox
going outside? 🤢
manic vigil
Yeah that's not okay
crystal fox
yeah through my headphones
manic vigil
Don't go outside monkaS
shrewd oriole
ahaha
patent topaz
I tried affliction, it is the worst
shrewd oriole
Tyler the creator, asap rocky, father john misty, lorde, portugal the man.
those are the ones I'm going for mostly
I like affli
I like dot specs
patent topaz
Super boring to me
crystal fox
spriest 👍
affli 👎
patent topaz
Yep
haughty harness
Spriest levitates! Instawin
shrewd oriole
shadow rn is really sick
shrewd oriole
sounds like a player skill issue
patent topaz
Mine was never geared enough but i like the playstyle a lot more than aff
shrewd oriole
anyways yeah dunno I love the visuals of shadow
I hate how shit it is in m+
that's my biggest turn off
manic vigil
English fail tom
shrewd oriole
it's just
patent topaz
Yea me toilo
shrewd oriole
so
manic vigil
Not fake news lol
crystal fox
went from spriest to assassin, yay m+..
shrewd oriole
at least rogue has an option
patent topaz
Assassin in m+
shrewd oriole
all priest specs blow in m+
patent topaz
XD
shrewd oriole
rogue can at least played sub which is t1 melee
crystal fox
disc is gucci some weeks tho
manic vigil
With that quote I meant it would have been helpful if I played dps but I couldn't bring myself to do it @shrewd oriole
shrewd oriole
disc is bad in a LOT of affixes
manic vigil
And the new shit is even worse. Like demo lock with that transformation shit
shrewd oriole
I dont run anything above a 23 without a hpala or a rdruid tbh
healer meta is puke
manic vigil
Makes sense tho
drowsy island
do you need prydaz for a 20 seat as arogue someone help lol
manic vigil
True
drowsy island
i never done seat im worried ill deplete this dudes key rip
lone junco
wear prydaz for the first half. get the feel for the shit stains
drowsy island
i like healin as a mist weaver for my alt but im trash and usually deplete peoples keys
shrewd oriole
hey
dont mock paladin
paladin is good if your tank is properly geared
a good pala does crazy damage
but yeah DK is king
manic vigil
I mean that's very elitist of you as usual Tom. Most healers are fine. Just have to adapt and sometimes use a weaker strategy I suppose
wise mortar
Question, I've seen different schools of thought on this. When at 4 combo points and Garrote on CD, do you Envenom at 4, or Fan of Knives, then Envenom at 5? This is for pure single target
dire spoke
shrewd oriole
It's not a matter of being elitist, if you're doing low keys it doesnt matter what your comp is
drowsy island
is monk bad for keys then
shrewd oriole
MW? yeah
unborn merlin
@shrewd oriole what festival? would love to see rocky/misty and lorde
manic vigil
You can still do it
drowsy island
any reason why tom
dire spoke
👋 tom
shrewd oriole
rdruid has a lot of mobility, very good dps and BEAR FORM
prime void
Wait
shrewd oriole
bear form being a big reason they're good
prime void
He's toxic for stating meta? Tf
shrewd oriole
paladins have blessings
prime void
How is that elitist 😂
shrewd oriole
yeah dude stating the meta is elitist
I'm not saying I wont take other healers for a fucking 15 on my alt or something but for pushing keys those classes are bad
shrewd oriole
Paladins also have a lot of base HP
prime void
Resto sham is squish
manic vigil
And it is elitist. How many people even do that high keys? 0.0001% of the player base?
shrewd oriole
Paladins also have bop to help with squishy melees
prime void
Stay snowflake
manic vigil
Who cares
drowsy island
i care i plan on pushin my monk 1 day
prime void
Then hop tf out of the discussion 😪
drowsy island
i spent like 50 dollars for transfer/race change dood
shrewd oriole
@unborn merlin primavera sound nos porto
@unborn merlin in portugal but I think the one in barcelona has a similar lineup, probably better
tickets are pretty cheap, like 100 euros or something
unborn merlin
@shrewd oriole im state side but that would be amazing if in europe
shrewd oriole
but yeah if you wanna push monk you're better off dpsing tbh
prime void
Even then- whole comp is played around you
prime void
Glass cannon af
shrewd oriole
kek
drowsy island
where do i find the list anyway i started pushin on my rogue was 900 last week im 2.6 now
haughty harness
At what m+ lvl you start feeling the difference between healers?
haughty harness
Oh, I'm way too casual for that level anyways
crystal fox
ugh cba to push m+ score until im done with my damn upper kara farm
shrewd oriole
that's where you start noticing the effects of a poor comp choice
@drowsy island just go on raider IO and check the most player classes at high keys
but honestly, here's a super easy rundown
crystal fox
but i am literally getting declined for 14's as 960
shrewd oriole
melee: subrogue > monk (needs support from thehealer) ranged: warlock > hunter > boomie / mage tank: bdk > pala / DH healer: hpala = rdruid
majority of MDI comps / people doing high keys are gonna be something like that
crystal fox
subrogue* tho?
manic vigil
@prime void you didn't even understand what I was saying. No need to be passive aggressive lel
Just learn to read
drowsy island
really im lookin and it shows warriors with higher perceta than rogues
wait nvm i fixed it
wasnt filtered
shrewd oriole
yeah warriors are at like 5% versus rogue's 9.7
crystal fox
did sub mage tower, only sub i've played so far in legion
shrewd oriole
wrriors arent bad they are just squishy
if you're gonna bring a squishy melee might as well bring monk
better aoe, better ST
drowsy island
im amaze shadow priest is so low they like warlock tier of cleave on high hp mobs
prime void
Lrn2read- good insult. 👍👍
shrewd oriole
spriest is the worst spec
manic vigil
@prime void not trying to insult you. Trying to help you
lucid pollen
Locks can cheese alot of keys too
prime void
Which = no dmg
shrewd oriole
yeah
lone junco
@shrewd oriole ayy. I need a M+ sub build for non shoulders. my evisc crit sill be around 80+. I want something based on storm cleave. dgaf about ST. So im running it through hectic 3boss 1min.
shrewd oriole
doing arcway without lock = sad face
thin sleet
thoughts on rogue bfa changes?
crystal fox
the problem with shadowpriest is they are decent at fortified, and decent at tyrannical, but you cant get both
shrewd oriole
@lone junco why non shoulders
lone junco
my crit is way way too high
shrewd oriole
fuck
lone junco
2p4p
lone junco
i have 3x gutrippers. and 51crit
prime void
How else do you interpret someome saying x is elitist. Like fuck mate, maybe you just need to learn to explain your thoughts. @manic vigil
lone junco
would you do WM / Anti for the 10cp stors?
shrewd oriole
cloak ring is gonna give u really nice sustained aoe
lone junco
storm
crystal fox
what legos does sub use in m+? @lone junco
prime void
Shoulders hands for st!
drowsy island
just go sin for m+ and pray to rng gods for a shoulders>bomb proc and do like 6mil dps
lone junco
i can swap for bosses w/e
shrewd oriole
I wouldnt play anti tbh
cuz say
you fok get 10cps
you evis once
but your second evis wont be SS stacked
so it does shit damage
you're better off
doing SS 5 stack evis SS 5 stack evis
than SS double evis
manic vigil
@prime void how is that insulting to you? Elitist means it's concerning a minority at the top (ie the elite)
old quartz
bring this shit to the subt channel
shrewd oriole
WM reduces your burst which is our biggest strength but I dont even know how your burst is without shoulders so dunno
might be quite good tbh
prime void
But thats not what elitist means. Lmfaoo
lone junco
I want fast resets of the dance and symbol.
thin sleet
@manic vigil words have positive and negative connotations
elitist has negative connotations
lone junco
so ignoring dfa alignments. just pumping out ev.
thin sleet
it implies something is bad due to its elite nature
manic vigil
Maybe so
shrewd oriole
still think stratagem will be better than anti
thin sleet
you might not be a native speaker so it might not be clear
shrewd oriole
thin sleet
wunju there's a difference between elite and elitist
shrewd oriole
being an elistist is someone who believes the casuals are lesser than them
manic vigil
Like you yes
prime void
^ ding ding ding
shrewd oriole
the conversation was quite elite but it wasnt elitist
manic vigil
I understand
drowsy island
honestly its people keys so if they dont want to take you for what ever reason like ur class being bad at affixs you cant force them
manic vigil
😏
shrewd oriole
the conversation was elite because it revolved around something that only a small % of the player base experiences
but it wasnt elitist* because we werent dismissing anyone
or anyone's opinions
prime void
^
thin sleet
(no such word as elitistic but we get u)
shrewd oriole
yeah sorry
manic vigil
Lol
shrewd oriole
english isnt my first lang
drowsy island
its my first lang and i still dont know it
thin sleet
eng hard
prime void
I like how the best you have is : lol
shrewd oriole
fucking noobe only raids heroic or something and he's ebtter than majority of rogues I see in fucking mythic
I've hardly ever seena nyone dismiss people because of the content they do
fml
triggered
jovial kite
if we were elitist we would dismiss everything noobe does or say with: lol heroic nub do u even myffic
prime void
Ill dismiss the opinions of grey parsers. Thats about it
jovial kite
I used noobe as an example because he was brought up but applies to all
shrewd oriole
exactly
thin sleet
speaking of conversation: what do yall think of the 3 specs in their current bfa state
prime void
Haven't looked
shrewd oriole
assa is dope on alpha
thin sleet
because i'm trying to get away from Feral
shrewd oriole
sub has a lot less downtime
unborn merlin
outlaw**
shrewd oriole
u can play snd rn
unborn merlin
wait..is combat, back?
thin sleet
i say combat bc i refuse to acknowledge RTB
unborn merlin
lel
lone junco
@jovial kite its ok. Im noob
thin sleet
so my main question is "how fucked am i if i go SND"
prime void
Not
jovial kite
@lone junco literal nooberouge
wise mortar
Question, I asked this earlier but didn't get a response. On single target, and you have 4 combo points, do you Envenom at 4, or FoK and Envenom at 5. Assume Garrote is on CD
lone junco
cant call me noob as an insult if my name is noob
jovial kite
i dismiss retardry and bad arguments
shrewd oriole
@wise mortar you env
jovial kite
with my own sheer intellect tips fedora
wise mortar
@shrewd oriole Thanks, I've seen conflicting arguments about it, but that makes more sense to me