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#assassination
manic vigil
civic palm
I dunno what she needs, she might as well be fictional.
civic palm
Well she has a wikipedia page, must not be that fictional.
Though... concepts have wikipedia pages so... whatever.
Got quiet... I see...
hazy iron
im actually pretty fucking excited for dispatch
fast nacelle
c9 vs EF started
hazy iron
and crimson tempest
civic palm
League? I'd rather have 20 to 0 blowouts aimed at cocky fucking 13 year olds thank you very much.
old sphinx
tyra, tell the girl in your profile pic that i'm top3 and not irrelevant
sturdy coral
Hi all!
old sphinx
would smash
civic palm
๐
sturdy coral
Cannot find some info: if i have 3 CP, do i need to use mutilate or fan of knifes on next hit?
civic palm
MUT
strange python
mut
civic palm
You did that to yourself.
manic vigil
fair
sturdy coral
Ok, but when do i need to use FoK?
calm grail
No.
civic palm
FoK on 2+ targets
manic vigil
you don't have to at all. the apl does with 5pk+ tho
calm grail
Don't you foking dare
manic vigil
I simmed it and it's a 20k dps gain ish
sturdy coral
what pk means?
civic palm
poison knife, or poison knives
calm grail
Poisoned kick
sturdy coral
ok tnx ๐
civic palm
new for BfA, postulating kick
old sphinx
remember kids, let memes be memes and dont let them ruin your dreams
civic palm
I... might interrupt you... this is a warning.
old sphinx
no pk for me
civic palm
Yeah I get on my fucking Feral and Brutal Slash your dreams away.
manic vigil
ye
old sphinx
yeah boi, today I got lucky af with pb and in votw on spiderpack I went like 12 mil dps with pb and glaives
old sphinx
but do they st ?
old sphinx
really ?
civic palm
Yarrr
plain thistle
just check warcraflogs
civic palm
Well... they had some nerfs recently.
So meebee not as much but still.
Rising Sun Kick was nerfed IIRC and that's purely ST and hits like a fucking bus filled with ICP fans.
manic vigil
but hey, we much cooler than those shadow boxers right?
that's gotta count for something
or does it ๐ค
civic palm
We have WAY more edges.
manic vigil
๐
civic palm
but as a Monk I get to use my spinners from Naxx so that's pretty cool.
midnight latch
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manic vigil
damn that was the 5th crack up in a couple minutes you are killing it today mizerok
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old sphinx
I mean at least we can xmog and run around like the edgy teen in your neighbourhood
civic palm
Yeah and it's not even halloween.
old sphinx
perks of being a memeSin
midnight latch
I am not a meme
old sphinx
you are blue
old sphinx
you cant be a memeSin
lul
so mizerok, do you get like pms daily of randoms that go : "lemme smash" ?
civic palm
๐ก fucking ** BACK OFF **.
vapid moth
Mizer is female?
manic vigil
๐
midnight latch
females in RH 
manic vigil
cheap shot btw
civic palm
I will say that I get way more PMs about TC/rotations/etc. than I do about anything else.
old sphinx
๐ค
vapid moth
Yeah I can't ever believe it
midnight latch
yeah the cheapest of shots
civic palm
haha
manic vigil
y u doo diz
rotund grove
So this dropped for me from a normal run yesterday...i guess thats cool.
old sphinx
1.Having Female avatar
2.getting shitloads of pms
3. Introduce them to our Lord and Saviour RnGesus
4.Profit...
civic palm
Gotta break the ice somehow.
old sphinx
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chilly marsh
just got argus neck 985 and its not a upgrade fuck crit + haste =/
civic palm
Now to attract the weeeeeeeebs.
manic vigil
๐คข
civic palm
YO WHO DA SHORTY IN YO PIC BRUH
manic vigil
WutFace
civic palm
Exactly how I felt.
tame slate
MY GRILL SENSES ARE TINGLING
civic palm
Ain't no Webbers here boi.
tame slate
lmao
crystal fox
Awoo~
tame slate
I was ready for a nice steak
civic palm
Bingo.
tame slate
Tbh I don't know the meme there haha. I only watch the mainstream anime
crystal fox
neither do i, i have been infected by the shadowpriest offtopic chat
civic palm
or, just barking really.
tame slate
that too
civic palm
on April 1st Argus should say that.
crystal fox
i'm horrible at animestuff, dont know any of it
i watched elfen lied once when i was a kid and got scarred for life
tame slate
I'm a noob that watches dubs wherever possible
civic palm
Yeah that'll do it.
tame slate
Grew up with Toonami
crystal fox
i got the cutest cat
tame slate
Let me grab a screenshot of a cat in Mon Hun World
civic palm
Disregard the totally not obvious boob.
crystal fox
time to get rid of my santa hat tho..
civic palm
tru
sturdy coral
So mates, when you simcrafting yourselves, which fight types do you choose?
sonic pawn
Im having such a hard time getting 80% Envenom buff uptime between keeping Rup and Garrote up i still feel like i dont have enough energy for it.
Especially when i land on those fateful 3 cp all the time and have to Mut again.
steep obsidian
its a bit easier if you have more crit
also make sure you have poisons on your weapons ๐
worldly temple
is bleed build viable?
steep obsidian
harder to gear for but some people make it work
worldly temple
whats the stat priority like for it?
steep obsidian
sim
wise frigate
Crit.
lone junco
Bleed is 40+ crit. Then vers>mastery.
So like 45c 135m 12v
3vendetta + boots.
^required.
wispy apex
I'm curious, in the guide it says use envenom before evenom debuff falls off. Don't we do that before surge of toxins falls off as we did in Nghthold?
civic palm
That was due to Agonizing Poison IIRC, which doesn't exist anymore. Also, ENV was the majority of our damage during that tier so clipping earlier made more sense.
plain thistle
SoT never clipped envenom, you did that during NH because of agonizing poison
now since deadly poison does a lot of our damage, uptime > clipping
wispy apex
So compare to that, clipping earlier nowadays is a dps loss?
plain thistle
dps loss? probably not, you just dont care if its clipping or not
cedar kraken
hi everyone, I am trying assass spec for the first time in years and am very confused after watching some youtube guide videos...
turbid harbor
you can envenom in pandemic to keep the envenom buff up, but t21 2pc doesn't benefit from pandemic
cedar kraken
can anyone point me to an updated guide that i can try follow for a starter?
civic palm
At the top of this window.
wise frigate
Pins, top of the screen where it says SIN GUIDE HERE
cedar kraken
ahh i see it thanks mate
steep obsidian
which videos did you watch that confused you?
just curious because the concepts arent that complicated
if you are new just focus on the basic stuff intsead of worry about the advanced tips n tricks though
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ashen fossil
Is it nesecary to always pool as sin? Or just when vanish is coming up
civic palm
You are best off saving NRG for when your big CDs are coming up so you are doing as much as you can under them as you can.
ashen fossil
Oh thanks
I hope I can get the boots soon, already have the t20 titan forges and the 3 massass relics
Btw, if I have no shoulder, would vanish have any use other than applying a buffed garrote and rupture?
plain thistle
just to refresh rupture with NS or garrote with subterfuge
ashen fossil
And if so, I let that tick till it drops, right?
ashen fossil
Thanks peep
lone junco
(Its nice to have a WA that shows the NS or suberfuge override so you dont get ancy)
ashen fossil
I can actually make a WA that only works for a buffed up rupture for instance?
wise frigate
Notter's pinned WA has a Rupture WA you can yoke pretty easily. His has some custom coding for Pandemic timing as well I believe.
civic palm
Very easy to make conditional coding for pandemic now, the empowerment is still black magic for me
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ashen fossil
Pandemic is kinda tricky depending on how many cps you spend on the rupture though, right?
I'm almost always stuck on 4 cps these days. Which leads me to yet another question: If I'm at 4 cps, should I kb/tb? Cuz if they crit I over cap
fervent jewel
finishing with 4 cp is fine
u can still use tb
depends
how much energy you have or if u can link tb with vendetta or kb coming up
or you rupture is about to fall off
but finishing with 4 cp is not bad
ashen fossil
I sometimes even finish on 3 cuz I don't want the env buff to fall off during kb, is that actually a wise choice?
fervent jewel
usually u shouldnt finish with 3cp
maybe if u dont want the envenom buff to fall of while kingsbane is active
but then u should just manage it better in the first place^^
ashen fossil
True true. Thanks for the insights
fervent jewel
yw
steep obsidian
so haste is almost catching agi in my sims
gg
gonna feel liek a spriest soon where main stat doesnt do anythin ๐
tall fractal
What ilvl did you guys complete the mage tower challenge at? Also what leggos are best?
civic palm
under 900 I think
civic palm
890 something IIRC.
tall fractal
So its possible to do at 900? Do you need leggo or set?
civic palm
Also SIN doesn't need legendaries for their challenges, just doing it right and having Leeching Poison.
ashen fossil
Feels bad we can't revisit the challenges. Wanna burn down agatha for giving me a hard time so long ago
civic palm
Assassination Mage Tower is very very easy, like... 3rd easiest maybe.
Just make a Feral Drood and blow her up, such a joke.
steep obsidian
i skipped a whole phase with the sub challenge coz of the gear i had when i did it
agree though sin one is pretty faceroll
especially if you have the healing legos then you can just do whatever almost
worldly temple
Spam running upper keys to try to get EoC FML
gilded lark
at least it's easy upper week
worldly temple
yeah for sure.
was hoping to get it on the 15 I ran the other day when carrying guildies for the completion achieve. didnt happen though
gilded lark
so go do more 15s ๐
fleet hill
bright mantle
that moment when all u do is upper kara for eoc and u get a 970 horn of valor from weekly chest......wtf blizz?
lone junco
upper kara trash packs in the library. 3 pulls. fortified, 0 bombs.
go out and get 2 bombs on one of the casters on the ramp.
lone junco
my eptb is higher than mptb. my relics are fucked up to make that happen
steep obsidian
fuck man
i wish fuckin ilvl actually mattered alot of relics
wanting so many relics just to see what they roll and finding out they are useless is tiresome as hell
as is getting something 20 ilvls better but its trash coz it rolled utter poo and main trait bad
vapid moth
Who cares. Ilvl is minimal difference anyway
steep obsidian
yeh doing mythic xavius with 820 blue relics was fun and interesting gameplay ๐
i just feel bad taking relics to gamble with when ilvl matters much more for other classes but that just me whinin
gilded lark
then don't take them
lol
if you get the same traits but +10 weapon item levels, you still gain fuck all for dps
steep obsidian
well is till dont have bis traits that i want ๐
gilded lark
rip
fluid owl
Any reason why Crown/Boots with EP is simming higher than any other combo for me, or is my mastery just shite? Feel like I missed a patch somewhere because this was pretty unexpected.
lone junco
pretty much just grabbed all the purple shit. I guess it works.
cloud knot
is it okay to use 1-3 cp envenoms to keep envenom buff and t21 2set bonus buff
lone junco
I wouldnt bother. the 2p is 6 sec the env would be short, so you would have a crit buff on poisons that wouldnt apply
orchid mortar
I read the assassination guide but I'm still not quite sure what the optimal way to use Mantle is. Should we be holding vanish for our other cooldowns, or using it on cd? Should we use it for big envenoms?
drowsy island
get a time till death addon most people get 2 vanishes (1 at pull) (2 at sub 30) to empower rupture with bracers
orchid mortar
I thought snapshotting was gone though, is like 5 seconds of crazy critting rupture that brutal?
drowsy island
oh na rupture gets 50percent more damage plus bracer damage increase at sub 30 if you use it with vanish
vapid moth
The purple Is a bit bright but it fits
drowsy island
if u dont have bracers you use envenom
orchid mortar
I've got the bracers
just got em today acutally
so we are supposed to vanish with rupture about to expire sub 30 secs, and reapply it? would you hold off for vendetta to come up too?
sub 30%*
not secs
drowsy island
i never held vendetta so idk
vapid moth
You hold vanish for your next vendetta. Not the other way around
orchid mortar
right
drowsy island
but get a time till death addon so you can know how many vanishes ull get per pull work ur vanish around ur vendetta
vapid moth
You don't even need an addon. Most fights you get 3 vanishes.
orchid mortar
if its a fight where you will get more than 2 vanishes in, do you still reapply rupture after vanish or do you just envenom since its not in the bracers executre territory?
vapid moth
You reapply rupture whenever needed. Though should be planning ahead to not have to do so during your burst period
Unless you're not using shoulder
In which case that's already explained
orchid mortar
i am
I just straight up do not know how to maximize these shoulders for assassination is all. I keep getting mixed info on whether you should be rupturing or envenoming or whatever
naive sphinx
can someone explain briefly fan of knives in st rotation?
drowsy island
blue thats dead
wise frigate
First, don't do it.
drowsy island
im pretty sure
vapid moth
Envenom with the shoulders
naive sphinx
latest simcraft is doing it so im curious
drowsy island
well its wrong pk build got nuked pretty hard xD
naive sphinx
alrighty
drowsy island
WHY PK with those 4 cp mut crits anyway
naive sphinx
should i be setting fok_rotation=0 in my sims?
vapid moth
This is why I feel the guide should provide a better explanation btw. Too many people ask the question per day. You envenom with shoulders because a guaranteed crit envenom will do more damage than a buffed rupture with more random crits
orchid mortar
the guide was really really just scratching the surface, very little depth to it
vapid moth
Blue just use the basic Sim build wtf
naive sphinx
i was using the default sim build and it was using fan of knives
wise frigate
Mind linking a report Blue?
If you mean the FoK at 3 CP thing, yeah I don't know about that one.
vapid moth
I know @Zilphyr#9818. The explanation doesn't even have to be on the same page. But it should still be there
naive sphinx
this one
actions.build+=/fan_of_knives,if=combo_points>=3+talent.deeper_stratagem.enabled&artifact.poison_knives.rank>=5|fok_rotation
builder if 3cp
drowsy island
i have to agree the guild is kinda confusing i got most of my info harassing top sin rogues ๐
orchid mortar
I certainly don't want to be that guy asking the question that gets asked every day, but I've been sub for so long and I JUST got the shoulders today
naive sphinx
w/ latest nightly build
drowsy island
yea... sub kinda died bottom 4 overall rip
orchid mortar
ya
wise frigate
But the guide says "Use Vanish to apply Rupture with NS. If you have Mantle, use Envenom instead of Rupture." I'll agree it's formatted a little confusingly there, but it definitely says to do that.
drowsy island
yea but it doesnt explain sub 30percent hp with bracers properl
wise frigate
You still Envenom. If there was any change, it would tell you.
orchid mortar
So then do you envenom as many times as you can during that 5 second window? do you only cast it once and keep waiting for envenom windows to almost expire to reapply?
drowsy island
wut so you dont rupture at sub 30 with bracers?
because i been doing that for 2weeks now
wise frigate
Every time that gets asked, I see it answered with Enven even during execute.
naive sphinx
youre going to have a lot of cp regardless to spam envenom with crit mutilates
dire folio
You should easily be able make that you have at least 6 seconds remaining on rupture before vanishing
vapid moth
No you hold vanish for vendetta for the extra damage from vendetta
orchid mortar
confused now. sorry guys
drowsy island
yea same im confused now too at sub 30 boss hp do you vanish >rupture or vanish> envenom because everyone tellin me different things D:
naive sphinx
oh i see, its not fok_rotation
vapid moth
I always do envenom
naive sphinx
its that i have 5 points in Poison Knives
should... i be using fok at 3cp in that case?
lone junco
ok 3M dps on curator. Shoulder Bracer isnt so bad.
vapid moth
No
FoK should not he part of your single target rotation
Mutilate gives those 2 extra cp
orchid mortar
Just to make sure I have it right. Is it: 5 CP> Vendetta > Vanish > Envenom with mantle?
naive sphinx
okie dokie
even raidbots is using fok in my rotation, but the difference seems to be within margin of error
lone junco
apl does have fok if you have 5 6 7 pk. it is not a good idea to have pk relics tho
manic vigil
The apl actually does use fok at 5pk+
naive sphinx
yeah i have 1 fok relic
manic vigil
For me it's a 20k ish gain to FoK with 6pk
Noobe has a decent way to sim it, he will tell you
I'm gonna ๐ด now
naive sphinx
i have a 4k dps gain on mine
manic vigil
4k is basically nothing so do what you want
sleek cargo
@lone junco what spec do you enjoy most and what spec do you plya?
vapid moth
But noobe how much more damage do you get from the rupture. I doubt it would surpass envenom if all the ticks weren't crits
dense yew
from stealth with NS a 5cp Env is 1.5m, a 5cp Rupture is 2m. So if you get bracers on top of that, then it's 2.66
more if you get a bota
that's ignoring crits. Just what the spellbook says
strange python
@fleet anchor i got Stormsinger Fulmination Charge from a mage guildie.. its a ranged trinket, but it procs for assassin rogue. is it possible to make sims that includes the proc?
fleet anchor
Probably already works
Last time I checked this trinket it functioned fine
Although not that many things proc it
lone junco
Re:Shoulder Bracer Sub 30. vanish rupture. vs vanish env.
meh.
@sleek cargo enjoy? sin. its fine. outlaw is too fast for me, and the return isnt as high.
i refused to use sprint for a dps cooldown, so I didnt play sub until it got reworked.
@vapid moth would need a sim to help with the buff coniditions. not sure tbh.
high ice
Hey guys small question ive got Boots shoulders and wrist now which of them are best to use?
lone junco
depened on your offpeces bracer boot and shouldeer bracer a both good sets.
Shoulder Bracer for M+ for sure.
zealous dew
i mostly use shoulder boots for fortified bosses, can fit 3x vendett on 22+
celest mirage
yeah ik you can feint it. I thought I could immune storm with cloak and just died
lol
thought it would be magic dmg
strange python
anyone know how this is done?
proper parcel
strange python
omg i love you
spare nebula
strange python
i was searching through weak auras for ages
onyx falcon
tfw feint isnt enough and you needa use pyrdaz o.o
dawn kettle
that dbm replacement is actually really interesting...
buoyant lichen
something change in sin apl? simming 40k less than the other day, same gear
oh pin
civic palm
Bingo.
buoyant lichen
feelsbad
civic palm
Meh you were being lied to.
buoyant lichen
wasnt using the sims opener anyway
soft island
The dbm wa looks rad. Thank you.
civic palm
works for dbm or bw
strange python
yep going to try it out
buoyant lichen
so opener is now using vendetta at on pull, no delay. anyone tried that out? shoulders/wrists
dawn kettle
apl has used vendetta in the opener for a long ass time apparently
humble scarab
Does Shoulder + Boots sim higher for any of you all?
dawn kettle
doesnt for me, but i doubt it would for anyone not playing bleed build
humble scarab
yeah I have the dreaded 2x MA setup right now
dire spoke
you can run it
dire spoke
it's poison build so I guess no
you may switch around legos per boss anyway, if you have 2p4p (t20 930+), 3MA and some crit rings to swap you're basically free
dawn kettle
i know wrists boots specifically are good for mythic kingaroth
plucky merlin
what
dawn kettle
i mean if i was going to pad dps, i'd play way differently than trying to actually kill the boss.
somber forge
weird thing to say about kingaroth, generally doing more damage helps you kill the boss
plucky merlin
no, its actually not better than mantle
the only relevant dmg phase is the add phase which if we want to speak about solely that youll run mantle+bracers
the only thing boots+bracers does is slight loss into doing a bit more to boss in exchange for signifigantly less to adds
dawn kettle
misspoke when i said boots wrists. looking at like 4 different things at once and wrote something i was thinking
dire spoke
most ppl don't run boots cus they haven't got the relics ๐คท with 3MA and boots your'e helping the most due to vendetta alignment ... logs actually say nothing
humble scarab
well I don't have 3 MA anyway
dawn kettle
irregardless, boots mantle is usually better for killing adds.
dense ruin
sorry for the dumb q but what is ma?
humble scarab
master assasin
wise frigate
Master Asshunter
plucky merlin
by running boots you get to vend the boss between each add, which boosts boss dmg to lower your add dmg
dense ruin
oh...ok cuz i only have shoulders and boots ๐ฆ no wrist
dawn kettle
if you save first vendetta for the first add, you have it up for every add.
with boots anyway
humble scarab
oh I was going to look at that anyway
are most people saving vendetta for first add?
dawn kettle
depends on the raid
plucky merlin
if you run boots+mantle you can vend each add then get one on boss between each spawn, otherwise you hold it for add each time
in mythic yes you typically are saving CD's for adds
dawn kettle
if your raid has problems killing adds, yes, if not, no.
humble scarab
i'd say we have more problems of our resto druid running into orbs
than we have problems killing adds
plucky merlin
ya you cant solve braindead with dmg
plucky merlin
we have been avging like 5 wipes per farm night on kin and we killed it a month ago
easy for ppl to fuck up the raid
humble scarab
I'm just trying to decide right now if I should go sin
for the end of the tier
My Sub performance has been decent
brisk forge
But the second kill took 2 hours ๐ค
plucky merlin
is it simming better for you tho?
plucky merlin
practice up on sin cause itll likely pass subt
humble scarab
but in actual performance?
plucky merlin
at least it did for me+ other rogue in my guild
strange python
practise outlaw cuz it will pass both
steep obsidian
for single target it is ahead i don thtink thats even debateable
humble scarab
it was better tonight in heroic than what i've done with sub on heroic
steep obsidian
just scales better
plucky merlin
link your sub logs
humble scarab
plucky merlin
simming better should still have it ahead unless you just lucked out on that heroic clear
humble scarab
I guess what I'm looking at is...Kin' best I've done as sub is 1.87? not knowing what I'm doing yet....as sin, 2.03
coven is obv on the horizon....
and...
dawn kettle
whats a coven?
dire spoke
m u l t i d o t
plucky merlin
well ya youre putting 1x dance into adds anyways
at least on mythic vanish+double dance adds
(kin)
humble scarab
yeah
plucky merlin
coven mythic btw not hugely relevant its not much of a dps check, I played sub for half our prog pulls just for 2x step
humble scarab
yeah that double sstep is nice
plucky merlin
is it actually not simming better for you? my sin sim is 150 over sub rn
humble scarab
nah my sub sims at 2.18
plucky merlin
ya weve had a total of zero mythic high command relics drop so doesnt help
and both of us dont have higher than 935 t20
ember vortex
Can anyone look over my logs and tell me what i can do better? I should be doing better numbers than this. barely pulling 1.7mil. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PcgM9HLFJYx4mA8z/#type=damage-done&fight=1
plucky merlin
ya you dont use EP
strange python
not casting poison bomb enough
plucky merlin
113xx11
humble scarab
yeah, so that's I guess why I'm questioning things in general
like sure the "sim" is higher
but if it doesn't actually perform as well....
plucky merlin
sub takes a lot more focus to min-max for me and ive mained it since mid NH still
sin is just easy to play rn
humble scarab
yeah I notice that
steep obsidian
a bit more rng in sin and it is better if you have any downtime
humble scarab
I wanna say (and apologies b/c I know where I'm at) I enjoy playing Sub more
steep obsidian
plus if you get a pbomb in your crit window or 2 you will parse well regardless pretty much :\
plucky merlin
nah sub can deal with downtime if you play it right+if it doesnt cuck you out of dance/symbols for too long
humble scarab
but. at the end of the day.
humble scarab
I just want to kill bosses.
plucky merlin
Id prep sin for aggramar+argus
steep obsidian
yeah the excute is good
dire spoke
you shoudn't give talenting directions without Numbers even tho you could be right in general. This is not sub
steep obsidian
with bracers
plucky merlin
I was in the same boat but for the last two bosses execute is good+ idk about guilds with less dmg but as sin we are able to line up vend pretty well into adds
We both tried sub and sin for m aggra and we were pretty consistently doing 20%~ more to p2 flames
1st flames**
steep obsidian
you dont have to deal with dfa shitness as well
humble scarab
the flying across the room for the m kin pulls has been.....interesting
humble scarab
I just basically told my healers that I'm sorry and I'll spring back into range
spint*
humble scarab
oh. meh. I stay at max range pretty easily on aggra. idk if it's diff in mythic obv.
not there yet
plucky merlin
not really just more to pay attention to than sin
but anyways if I were you id prep sin for last two and get practiced in it
humble scarab
yeah. that's what i've been doing. pretty much I just need better relics.
plucky merlin
if youre aiming to down bosses its for sure nice to have the option at least
humble scarab
on the bright side, doesn't seem like ilvl matters much
for relics
just need the right traits
plucky merlin
Ya unfortunetly we got kinda pigeonholed into sin by the relics that dropped
again i was sub main until 3 weeks ago til we swapped
humble scarab
my sub relics are actually good
plucky merlin
now sin wep 1006, sub wep still 986
untold sun
humble scarab
sub weps at 993, sin at 979
plucky merlin
my outlul wep is higher than sub rn
kms
ive only 2x malch and 2x ma tho
unfortunate but still hella ilvl so ill take it
and now that ive stumbled into high mastery gear
gg subt D:
humble scarab
my alt rogue actually has higher mastery than my main
and triple relics that are MA + MoS + Malch
plucky merlin
well ya you seem to have pretty low mast at least in the sub gear i checked
humble scarab
Yeah I'm playing really high vers right now
but my weights are still saying vers is better
plucky merlin
ya i had 18% vers in my st set but after mostly gearing for sin im down to 14%
(for sub gear)
humble scarab
fish feast in sub gear I'm at 22% vers
plucky merlin
you still running 2p/2p all fights ya?
plucky merlin
ya thats another thing i sim 145k lower as sub but thats mostly made up by the fact its facking 8 ilvls lower cause of 2p
buoyant lichen
i switched to 4p sub cause it was like 25k dps increase or something but since apl change my sin set is 2.15m and sub at 2.17m
yeah sub is still king for m+
fossil slate
Not bad from le chest this week
fossil slate
I know right, get a pretty penny for that crystal on the AH
violet yew
"not a socketed 985 EoC, disenchant"
dire spoke
:thinking:
steep obsidian
does that equip on the hellheim neck work for when you are dead on argus? pro orb catching neck right there
strange python
25k iterations https://i.imgur.com/oOdHE6j.png ???
did i get super exited over thats good but not worth much?
zealous dew
try insigna wrists
strange python
25k iterations with ring wrists https://i.imgur.com/THVrNBm.png
knotty gale
Hey guys , can anyone write , assa opener with 4p
steep obsidian
๐
knotty gale
Where is it
slate tulip
pins
supple hearth
strange python
well, i finally got the wrists, so i guess im happy with that
knotty gale
Cant get it on my phone
slate tulip
knotty gale
Yeah lol
supple hearth
its usually top right. I think its on the left for iphone
dire spoke
๐บ PINS EVERYWHERE
white lance
๐
strange python
simming on raidbots gave shoulers/wrists an 8k increase. still not much. rip
civic hinge
Depends on fight, Kin'Garoth you wont need wrists much, Coven for example they are nuts
zealous dew
warlocks are nuts
shrewd oriole
not really
well for coven yeah but
once you're past M coven and maybe aggra depending ur cc strat warlocks get benched
left right and center
we went from 8 locks in coven to 2 locks in argus
just my 2 cents because people overhype lock and affli when really it's a mediocre spec for the only fight that resembles anything difficult
dire spoke
I feel slowly going nuts without any internet connection in my flat โฟ
shrewd oriole
Did you move?
dire spoke
Yeah two weeks ago ... and another two without the webz
dire spoke
I had trouble with the first provider after moving, then changed the provider but it takes time for them to activate idk
shrewd oriole
No one is here ๐ฆ
this is the awkward time where eu isnt awake yet and NA is asleep
shrewd oriole
I had an essay due sunday morning so I had to wake up early to finish it
feels bad man
dire spoke
when I come back to WoW my guild is at KG or Vari. I left 4/11
shrewd oriole
rip
undergeared?
if you're undergeared you might ride the bench till argus but dw
you'll get in for argus
assa is broken on that fight ahah
thankfully
dire spoke
I don't think so, we have good melee but I was in top5 dps even with 10ilvl less usually
dire spoke
germany is quite poop handling internet, shit is expensive for reasons
wish i'd live in sweden or so
shrewd oriole
germany has quit good wifi no?
dire spoke
actually yes
brisk forge
I can easily play on my phones internet like with 45ms ๐
shrewd oriole
gratz
dire spoke
but well ๐ค it gives me time now to follow discord and suck in all info on sin
dire remnant
hmm okay
so it looks like vault is the place to farm
for the best iron artifact right
quick ice
@dire remnant yeah probably, or lower for an iron malch relic
probably lower actually, because it has a shadow iron too
shadow malch*
dire spoke
I remember farming vault MA in 2016 like an idiot
gud times
45s vendetta
or 35 idk
dire remnant
is there diminising returns on
relics
i've read the herodamage relic comparisoin
like ideally do i want 3 malch relics
or does master assassin ever overtake
or do i just need to siom
not sure if relics have some overriding rule bc of consistent increases from each artifact skill point if that makes sense
dire spoke
If you have 3MA you can swap mantle+boots / bracers+boots gearsets per Boss
- 2p4p ofc
at least that's my goal
idk ๐คท could be wrong
dire remnant
i dont get 2p t20 tho ๐ฆ
zealous dew
free garrote, insane cleave,
dire remnant
so having 3 malch opens up legendaries? why is that?
zealous dew
dude, use details, check your DP damage then let us know what you think
dire remnant
just cuz its kind of like having a weaker bracer legendary effect?
'
zealous dew
vendetta spam ?
dire spoke
I can't test shit atm ):
shantal you run boots in KG without MAssa ans it's a gain?
Or is it just helping the group
dire spoke
Oh
shrewd oriole
EWWW
shrewd oriole
haHAA
dire spoke
I see
zealous dew
got a cathedral 25 to burn
zealous dew
i'm mentally not prepared
dire spoke
Yeah idk what I should aim for, will see in 2w ๐
shrewd oriole
in terms of relics just get triple ma ma with MoS easy
zealous dew
no way
shrewd oriole
I think 2p 4p is only that much better on 2 target
Idk man I used to say that about maiden but I've been pugging maiden and mistress every week
maybe a few more weeks of gear
once everyone is like 972
2p 4p on ST is meh
dire spoke
gear doesn't help on Maiden ๐
shrewd oriole
yeah it does
zealous dew
i only play 2p 4p st
shrewd oriole
we dont get one shot by one color touching another at the moment
zealous dew
it's so fucking smooth
dire spoke
Oh okay
shrewd oriole
it's like 5m damage or something
zealous dew
and sims 3k higher anyway
zealous dew
how long maiden lasts now? 1m30 ?
shrewd oriole
something like that
it's actually easy to do since unless we blow more than once most people dont die
dire spoke
Soo you never run boots bracers tom?
dire spoke
ye
dire spoke
๐ค
shrewd oriole
my shoulder off pieces arent great
only have 960 from garothi
meanwhile
965 boots 970 bracers
dire spoke
well
shrewd oriole
if i get a mad titan forge on shoulders, hopefully
dire spoke
@shrewd oriole maybe I contact you in 2w for gearing strategy ๐ once I figured out my options
dire remnant
what r ur guys 2 pc t 20 ilvls
zealous dew
930
shrewd oriole
950 935 935 935
950 hands, 935 cloak helm pants
no shoulders
until I get shoulders, t20 is like a 5% dps loss for me
since I gotta wear coven shoulders lol
dire spoke
idk ๐คท
shrewd oriole
But honestly dude unless you have free time dont bother with 2p4p
I reckon my current setup is the bis setup
insane t20 titanforging aside
indigo idol
is vanish env better than vanish rupture ? (with shoulders and NS) ๐
indigo idol
which guide? ๐
"โข Use Vanish to apply rupture as often as possible if specced Nightstalker.
โข Do not override Nightstalker empowered Rupture in this case, let it tick until it falls off.
thats what confuses me
some1 here said its better to env but here it says rupture
dire spoke
Read the whole thing
shrewd oriole
dire spoke
Doesn't matter iirc
shrewd oriole
it's literally the bullet point
after the two you copy pasta
LOL
R E A D I N G ?
indigo idol
fck im stupid xD
shrewd oriole
N A F A M
indigo idol
i suck xD thyvm dude xD
indigo idol
๐ค
dire spoke
Here take my spoon
indigo idol
still guys thyvm tho ๐
dire spoke
best wishes
heady drum
god damn this spec. parsing is all about that poison bomb rng
stone sandal
What you talking about 
dire spoke
That is partially correct
shrewd oriole
on M? sure
on heroic? not really, way less impactful
unless you're really unlucky obv
but with average pb you can get 99 on every heroic fight
then again, heroic logs LUL
flint terrace
Any recommendations on a simple multi-dot addon to keep track of rupture on multiple targets?
jovial kite
@heady drum yeah pb makes a difference on a pull to pull basis
better players get more better parses on say a 100 pull basis
then again logs LUL
dire spoke
@flint terrace there are WeakAuras but I guess somebody knows an addon for it
Think I had one even capable showing empowered rup due to an additional database part to handle the Info in the main WA
flint terrace
Aight i'll poke around and see if i can find something.
heady drum
heroic logs are pretty funny, mostly being sent on stupid tasks with guildruns
verbal root
Boots are worthless if you cant get extra vendetta out of them during fight right?
ashen fossil
@flint terrace I have a WA but I'm currently not on my pc, I'll link it to you when I'm home
flint terrace
@ashen fossil Thanks man.
shrewd oriole
@verbal root at that point bracers are better yes
verbal root
I have 11 out of 12 legendaries... guess what am I missing
dire spoke
prydaz
verbal root
gonna go with insignia on imonar tonight as I get one vendetta per phase anyway
shrewd oriole
kek
merry elbow
dire spoke
I use PB on CD
verbal root
then you have pack and dont get any proc in like 30 secs fight... and then it procs 3 times in a row on single mob
drifting cosmos
i mean, if you want a sustained aoe skill, the effect wont be that op as pb
come on lets be realistic, you cant have anything as op as pb, and have a cd like 1min
ashen fossil
The new talent in BFA, the aoe rupture thing sounds juicy though
drifting cosmos
you always have to trade something off
yet you dont know how much dmg it does
or how fast it ticks
its just no rng atm
ashen fossil
True
dire spoke
we had that back in WoD
drifting cosmos
was it good
drifting cosmos
๐ค i didnt play much wod
shrewd oriole
the talent was shit in wod
shrewd oriole
It'll probably be shit in legion if we do poison* build
drifting cosmos
i mean yea if its like aoe ruputure
dire spoke
didn't play sin in WoD at all, since sub outscaled it by far with set and soulkappa
drifting cosmos
๐ thats prob why they make sub so shit till 7.2.5?
like literally every rogue i had pugged with was sin before 7.2.5
drifting cosmos
then when tos came out suddenly there were lots of subs
shrewd oriole
and didnt listen to feedback in beta
dire spoke
I love Rxlix's vid from kilrogg where he gets double soulkappa. Spec was Just all soulkappa
sec
shrewd oriole
Nah the spec was mostly burst windows like it is now, soul kappa wasnt that good outside of cooldowns
drifting cosmos
๐ค and in legion we have our outlul friend
shrewd oriole
what made soul kappa so strong was all the % damages we could get on pull
drifting cosmos
doesnt seem exactly as easy
shrewd oriole
archi trinket 100% ambush damage, vanish was a % damage increase with tier as well
then ring, then soul kappa
drifting cosmos
yea thats some god tier
dire spoke
ZOMGWTFBBQ - and then we wipe :(โ http://www.twitch.tv/rylix_tv/v/29361335?sr=a&t=3s
drifting cosmos
holy moly
dire spoke
look at the Boss life go lel
drifting cosmos
the guy broke the meter
shrewd oriole
kek
dire spoke
Yeah it was lego ring into soulkappa
drifting cosmos
is that like pb rng?
drifting cosmos
or just dmg buff stacks
shrewd oriole
what happens is
once you come out of the inside you have a massive % damage increase
he got a trinket proc (% damage increase) with the ring active (%damage increase) with vanish dance (% damage increase)
drifting cosmos
the trinket % mustbe huge
shrewd oriole
25%
to all daamge that happens within the trinket duration
thing is, he got a trinket proc into a ring active
ring active does % damage of all damage done during that time
at the end of its duration
but then the ring active went INTO the trinket proc
drifting cosmos
oh
drifting cosmos
so double trinket proc in a short period of time
shrewd oriole
ring explodes, it goes to 24M
so all the damage he did into the ring
which was like 28M
drifting cosmos
thats some nice stack
drifting cosmos
๐ค but that sounds pretty rng unless the trinket has high uptime already
dire spoke
The trinket was RNG but still BiS cus it procced in pull 100%
shrewd oriole
because it's heavy reliant on the external % damage increase that the fight gives you
on every other fight, the trinket was good cuz it procced on pull and that was about it
if it procced during a dance it was very good but the 25% made most difference on pull
drifting cosmos
hmm
dire spoke
Yeah Meters exploded on pull ๐ after 2min ppl started to Catch Up with sub
brittle pivot
whats a good pve SIN talent build?
drifting cosmos
check guide man
violet yew
the agro was funny too
drifting cosmos
there are 2 builds
violet yew
tricks onto a mage and gank them indirectly ๐
brittle pivot
halliane which one do u reccomend
dire spoke
drifting cosmos
lol good one
native rock
Hey guys, i just have a quick question that I didn't find in the sin guide: In ST situation, if I have 4CP should I cast Fan of Knives to get 5 or should I just go with a 4CP finisher ?
dire spoke
@brittle pivot all recommendation we give could be wrong cus Nobody knows your toon except you
silent linden
drifting cosmos
"When both bleeds are up use Envenom at 4+ combo points. "
directly from the guide
native rock
aight ty
plain sleet
guys is it mastery>vers or mastery>crit
dire spoke
^ idk sim it?
drifting cosmos
depends on build could be neither
prime void
is ther a %crit I should be shooting for
gaunt moat
more crit = better dps
dire spoke
more dps = bigger dig
crystal fox
digger bick = more dps
dire spoke
If you run 
or non-mantle you want crit
little seal
!help
chrome tuskBOT
!simc, !outlawguide, !singuide, !subguide, !enchants, !relics, !trinkets
little seal
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
thorn kindle
Is it better to clip your surge of toxins with a 3 point finisher, or let it lapse briefly for 4-5?
Or I guess the better way to put that is : IS there a time where that's the move? Like late into KB.
plain thistle
you dont need to clip SoT
its better to mutilate again, and then use envenom
and yes, for KB you want to have envenom buff and SoT for the whole duration ( sot specially for the last hits) but its not the end of the world if you drop it briefly
indigo idol
so for bracers /shoulders 3 MAlch is better than 3 MA but you still try 3xMAlch and 3xMA?
plain thistle
basically yes, you want the best combination possible, only thing you need to avoid for mantle+bracer is 2 MA, it will de sync a little bit your CDs
indigo idol
ah okey thy :3
dire spoke
With 2MA mantle+boots could pull ahead no?
plain thistle
oh opps
dire spoke
;p
plain thistle
not sure, I think with boots isnt a problem, need to check
calm grail
Let me ask you something Jhonwei
dire spoke
Yeah it's a sim Q in general
plain thistle
I would KB to get 1-2 cps and then envenom
calm grail
I mean the debuff is on already*
viscid helm
is that 3 CP envenom going to cover the rest of the KB?
calm grail
KB is on target and Envenom is falling off because you planned poorly and had to rupture during KB window.
thorn kindle
Would rupture take priority there?
calm grail
Answer both scenarios Flowi.
viscid helm
if it will then envenom
plain thistle
hmmm
plain thistle
that a shit situation already, but I think its more important to not let rupture drop, I think that happens sometimes on simc apl
yes
they fixxed some stuffs
๐
with sinister calculation
dire spoke
@torn coyote APL got fixed
torn coyote
so thats my real sims ?
calm grail
Yeah it's just that we don't always play perfectly and sometimes we find ourselves and shit situations trying to figure out how to mitigate a bad situation.
dire spoke
well they wouldn't make it more bad right
calm grail
So obviously try to keep envenom up the whole time, but letting rupture fall off would probably be worse.
(during KB)
plain thistle
yes, checking simc APL and sometimes it will let envenom buff drop for 1-2 seconds to refresh rupture (during KB)
calm grail
Thankfully, with enough crit I usually you find myself with enough combo points most of the time anyhow.
plain thistle
not sure if they tested that, but simc agrees with that
sleek cargo
they removed dispatch fromthe talent tree already?
calm grail
Uhh
torn coyote
u should refreash ur rupture if u want to get full kingbane dmg
calm grail
No?
sleek cargo
battle for azeroth talents dispatch is gone now
calm grail
There hasn't been any new builds pushed.
steep obsidian
things will change a lot during beta