assassination

[storm forum]

and grief my ability to spread bleeds in chain pulls

[loud light]

you slow the mobs so that the tank doesn't get any threat on that first thing they're trying to round up, so then the other dps pull aggro and die

and you get all the dps to yourself

[storm forum]

hell yeah

[worn geyser]

i checked and it wasnt u, all good tho now i can drop that trash

[trim cairn]

Actually in my case it was @analog field

[analog field]

Yeah we all thought it did

[storm forum]

I'm not allowed to touch the first two defenders in xenas for that reason

cause i killed our healer once

or twice

[worn geyser]

just rp walking down the ramp 50 seconds late to the pack

[storm forum]

or seven times

[trim cairn]

I like how that exchange about lethal dose

has literally been griefing my tanks for 2 months then whenever I don't play SD

lmao

Applying crippling like a goblin to get that extra 2%

[analog field]

I mean there are keys that tanks want crippling

[worn geyser]

that is kinda goblin tech, i would drop it and reapply it if needed despite thinking it was a 1% loss

like the wyrms in MT

[trim cairn]

Probs because you care about finishing the key while I care about topping the meter not timing it

[analog field]

If you want to time you get the biggest % dmg

[trim cairn]

I gave up pushing keys on the rogue after a week or two after m+ when queueing lfg took 40+ minutes to get into a key

[worn geyser]

random guy messaging me like i know wtf im doing , good ego boost tho

first time ive gotten a message like that, idk why me tho and why not someone like charrend or something

[trim cairn]

Welcome to the club ig

All the SD enjoyers message me in secret to avoid getting shat on in this channel

[storm forum]

as an SD enjoyer

I think I will continue to shit on it

cause I wanna do okay boss damage

[trim cairn]

What do you consider okay boss damage

[storm forum]

and also my brain is too small to do the pad minigame while I'm trying to do kicks and stuff in score keys

like 50% more than the bear

[trim cairn]

Just use tab targeting, it auto selects the nearest mob with an important cast

then shift+tab back

or focus macro if you wanna be a sweat

[analog field]

with a cast , not important

[storm forum]

I use a focus macro yeah

[solar wyvern]

Im really shy u got this buddy

[severe sparrow]

i dunno i still think blizzard did something to tab targetting in midnight

[storm forum]

tab has been inconsistent for me

[severe sparrow]

it feels like it works way less well than it used to for this

[storm forum]

sometimes it just tabs to the closest mob for me yeah

[trim cairn]

Looks like it prioritizes important casts to me

[storm forum]

it usually prioritizes casts for me too

[analog field]

What is important cast? there is nothing like this

[storm forum]

but like, it doesn't once

[trim cairn]

There is literally a thing like this

[storm forum]

and i kick a shadow blob instead of a fear

[trim cairn]

Important casts have different graphics on the cast bar

[storm forum]

and im never trusting it again

[analog field]

This is from an addon

not blizzard

[trim cairn]

Pretty sure even in default ui

Since I didnt use addons in the beginning of midnight

I'll check gimme a sec

[storm forum]

i think it tabs to casters that are casting but not all mobs are properly tagged

no idea how accurate that is, but personal theory

[analog field]

it works finr

[storm forum]

cause i like making shit up

[analog field]

it was better before midnight for sure

[trim cairn]

Yeah its different

visual

[analog field]

but what is an important cast?

Also I think this is your target

[trim cairn]

No

I knew u would say that

So I took another

ur so predictable xd

[analog field]

Weird cause platynator doesn't have that

[trim cairn]

It does

[storm forum]

what is that debuff?

[analog field]

I mean i have jundies I don't see any diff

[worn geyser]

platynator does have it on jundies technically

[analog field]

But I still don't understand what important is

both kill you

[severe sparrow]

important is a mysterious list determined by blizzard

which probably doesnt make sense

[trim cairn]

CC or big hits mostly

[worn geyser]

but regardless, focus marker macro is just better

[severe sparrow]

in platy you can see it in cast bar colors, if you want it

[trim cairn]

In good groups prolly

[analog field]

I have these 3

[analog field]

I mean you don't need it anymore

[severe sparrow]

i cant with focus macros. aint nobody got time to reset a focus target every pack

[trim cairn]

in shitter pugs its pretty good to be able to instantly target whichever cast is about to go off

[analog field]

I mean even in good groups this is useful

If you have a focus macro you need another normal one

Or have a macro for both

[worn geyser]

you need same as before , so you dont overlap kicks shadowbolt + xyz overlap will kill people

[analog field]

Zac is playing with tab interrupting

and no comms

[severe sparrow]

if you go to add colors menu at the bottom you can add it

[worn geyser]

zac is inhuman

[analog field]

I mean you really don't need it

too few casts

[severe sparrow]

agree on that

[trim cairn]

Glad to hear its doable cuz I cba

[analog field]

And you always need to have a normal interrupt available

[severe sparrow]

i dont even know what counts cuz i deleted it off mine lmao

[analog field]

so having 2 is too much

I mean important is really random

Probably that's why it is missing from jundies

[trim cairn]

Its not really random though

[severe sparrow]

i think situational is a better word than random, but

[trim cairn]

It has weird cases sure

[analog field]

No it is not random, it is selected by blizzard

but blizzard sees big mob

so important cast

and that makes it random

[severe sparrow]

it's not particularly more helpful than just learning what casts in a given dungeon are either big dam or a cc

[trim cairn]

Most important casts arent on the big mobs though idk what to tell you

[analog field]

yeah but you showed shadowbolt

[trim cairn]

Two minutes ago you were arguing that there werent even such a thing

[analog field]

not being an important

Yeah because in practice they ar enot

[trim cairn]

and that the UI didnt show it or make a distinction

For 99% of the playerbase

[analog field]

Yeah cause no one has this

[trim cairn]

they arent important

[analog field]

they are important for exactly 0%

Tell me a case where they are useful

[trim cairn]

What are you asking here exactly?

[severe sparrow]

i cant even devils advocate this cuz i dont know what's even flagged as important

[analog field]

you say for 99

I say 100

[trim cairn]

For 100% of the playerbase, shadowbolts arent important?

[severe sparrow]

it's probably as good of a list as blizzard's "important" aura filter for unitframes

[analog field]

it's a random thing blizz added and it is not useful cause tab works for every cast

[trim cairn]

Weird hill to die on here bro

[analog field]

for 100% of the playerbase the important cast definition is not useful

cause every cast is important in practice

[trim cairn]

Every cast isnt important in practice, that is what I am saying

[analog field]

But it is

you need to interrupt all of them

[trim cairn]

On a 18 key and lower you can eat shadowbolts all day

and not even die to overlap

[analog field]

also icy blast

your point ?

[severe sparrow]

well, lol, you definitely do not need to interrupt every single interruptable cast- that'd be impossible

[solar wyvern]

Oh its certainly possible

[trim cairn]

My point? my point is that when you are doing MT and you have a pack of 10 mobs where some do shadow bolts and some do fears

It's a good distinction that your tab target

will target the fear cast

[analog field]

no

[trim cairn]

and not the shadowbolt

[analog field]

it does not work like that

it targets every cast

[trim cairn]

It does work like that for me

It doesnt do that for me

[analog field]

yeah ok you have the premium sub w/e bro

[solar wyvern]

Im behind whats the argument

Tab targetting "priority" casts deemed by blizzard?

[trim cairn]

and the coin flip lands on idc this time

[severe sparrow]

theyre debating if every single cast is of equal importance or something

[trim cairn]

No..

[solar wyvern]

Frixx i appreciate u stirring shit in the assa channel, these green rogues need some life in them

[trim cairn]

I was making a statement that tab targeting selectively targets mobs making important casts

[solar wyvern]

Is that true? Or anecdotal? Cause big if true

[analog field]

Have you paid for premium sub ?

[trim cairn]

And then he means there is no such thing, making it a philosophical argument

[solar wyvern]

I got the epic edition of midnight :3

[severe sparrow]

that's where it started but i dunno if that's where it got to

[trim cairn]

You should try the premium subscription to having eyes

I heard it can even make you see the UI difference

[solar wyvern]

Probably easy to test just go into magisters on follower dungeon and tab target on both casts multiple times

See what takes priority

Or pit first pull maybe easier

[trim cairn]

tested it on pit just now

always swaps to icy blast cast for me

[solar wyvern]

I actually do have anecdotal feeling that youre not incorrect

I missed a lot of arakara bolts

Because the big aoe cast started

And it tabbed that

[shy heron]

you still won't know why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch though

[trim cairn]

I mean the reason why it probably doesnt work for most people

Is because if you don't shift target back, it seems like it swaps behavior

The way I use it is always just tab kick shift-tab

but testing it now it doesnt seem to work correctly if I just press tab repeatedly

[analog field]

You can use the macro to cleartarget tab kick select previous target

But you need to face the cast

[severe sparrow]

i have like half my rotation on mouseovers tbh

[analog field]

In general tabs work this way

[severe sparrow]

i dont even have a dog in this fight, i just noticed the difference in tabbing through a pack now vs in tww

[analog field]

I think it prioritizes something exactly in front of you

[trim cairn]

I mean I won't need any kind of macro

[solar wyvern]

Ah a shift-tab enjoyer

[trim cairn]

tab works just fine for me

and I shift tab back

[solar wyvern]

Man of class

[analog field]

I have even remapped shift tab xd

[solar wyvern]

You clearly play on wow premium sub

[analog field]

but still you lose uptime

[trim cairn]

pretty racist statement

expect a letter from my lawyer

[solar wyvern]

You think I'm PRETTY?

[trim cairn]

Your ability to focus on the positive is applaudable

I'm more of a doomer myself

[trim cairn]

a small price to pay

[analog field]

huh? For what? for not having a macro? 😂

[trim cairn]

for not giving a fuck

On a different note, would you say it's easier to get good parses on assa or brewmaster

[solar wyvern]

If u want a good assa parse just do mt with enh fury

Guaranteed 100

Just dont check voidling damage!

[uneven crag]

soooo is sin single target on dungeon bosses abysmal or is it a skill issue? lol

[buoyant herald]

its pretty bad unless you can leverage execute or get adds onto the boss

[uneven crag]

rip, okay because I pump on pulls but for skyreach all my DPS drops so low on the bosses lol

[buoyant herald]

yeah, if you get bosses to last about 2m30 then you're probably looking ok

[uneven crag]

sounds good, honestly might just go back to sub due to the single target or at least for skyreach

[solar wyvern]

Skyreach is sins worst key ye

[uneven crag]

I'll just go outlaw for skyreach lol

[solar wyvern]

If u can play it its pretty gud

[buoyant herald]

i need to practice outlaw a lot

[uneven crag]

Same I haven't played it this expansion, but assume they neutered it to make it alot easier the same way they did with Sub?

[gray hazel]

Anyone know of a mouseover macro to set the target as focus and add a marker to it?

[worn geyser]

bro same outlaw breaks my brain when i try to play it, i cant fucking see the floor since it just doenst have the same kinda downtime sin has

i was out here terrorizing 12s for a few keys trying to learn it shit fries me

[buoyant herald]

i've been an outlaw head most of my rogue career but between changes and having to redo my UI at some point early on i said fuck it i'll play dagger specs for ease

and i just never got round to learning it

keep coming up with excuses like i don't have a myth weapon for it etc but like

i can upgrade crafted and its fine lol

[balmy condor]

/focus [@mouseover]
/tm [@focus] 1

[gray hazel]

this works on the same macro?

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s similar to Lura interrupt macro

/cast [@boss4,exists] Disrupt
/tm [@boss4,exists,nodead,harm] 6

Lura is just this

Replace the first cast with focus and swap boss4 for mouseover

Gg

[gray hazel]

❤️

[tropic echo]

which abilities use both daggers? just fan & mutilate?

[balmy condor]

just mutilate

and ambush I guess

[tropic echo]

rip, i guess offhand ilvl still doesn't matter much then

[balmy condor]

oh you mean like actually USE both daggers

not just what you need daggers equipped to use

[tropic echo]

calculate off both weapons i mean

[balmy condor]

yeah just mutilate

offhand ilvl bad

although it's like 2x the value of what it was in TWW

[tropic echo]

yee, it's the same for the other two specs was curious if assa cared more

[balmy condor]

just because of auto attack buffs in midnight

[dapper heron]

Hi quick question i use the macro #showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 13 but the puzzle box wont activate. did i do somethin wrong?

[worn geyser]

unfortunately you cannot macro the puzzle box to DM

[dapper heron]

well thats sad

[strange onyx]

You need to hit it twice, but it is clunky af. Plus Puzzle box has a cast time. You don’t wanna stand around and doing nothing in your Deathmark window

[dapper heron]

yeah that's why i was worrying if i did something wrong but thanks for the update will just have to keybinde it

[calm spear]

what stat should i take in algethar academy?

[coral pivot]

Crit is a pretty safe bet

[vital radish]

does anyone else combo points bar dissapear inwindrunner last boss?

[strange onyx]

nope

[calm spear]

ty!

[civic zodiac]

Yes! /Reload fixed it

[trim cairn]

Tanking a 20 MT and getting called out for not pulling big when we have so low prio damage the Shadowrift Voidcallers get off 4 casts of Consuming Shadows

[light quarry]

i mean if its small enough people wouldnt pop cds

so could go both ways

[trim cairn]

Hallway after 2nd boss out into voidcaller, voidcaller lives for 2 minutes lol

[light quarry]

ye then they are just bad

[trim cairn]

Is this what having SD rogues in your party feel like

[light quarry]

i mean this is SD + DS prio dmg

[trim cairn]

dps on voidcaller

[light quarry]

wtf is that ret doing 😭

they are giga prio dmg there because of the insane aoe funnel

[trim cairn]

Trust me none of these guys were funneling or even familiar with the term 😛

[light quarry]

what did he even throw his ES on lol

it funnels all his aoe into the main target

(or something like that)

[trim cairn]

Whats the CD on that?

[light quarry]

uh like 1m?

[trim cairn]

Well he used it 0 times

[light quarry]

[trim cairn]

He didnt even have it specced fam

[sharp viper]

Lul

[light quarry]

ES is insanely strong in high keys when u have a big prio target, for MT there is like always something important lmao

[royal lantern]

prio dmg cope is in full force once again i see

[light quarry]

no, sd + ds in big keys is just fun

[coral pivot]

Any reason you would not prefer the standard build with DS?

[royal lantern]

people that say "DS" and "fun" in the same sentence should be send to the psych ward immediately

[light quarry]

my warrior is a SD enjoyer and wants me to play it, thats about it

[coral pivot]

Aaah, fair fair

[light quarry]

and it is fun seeing all the mobs just dissapear

[coral pivot]

Curious to see what your prio damage would be like with the standard build

[light quarry]

i mean it would be better

[coral pivot]

Big envenom kinda fun

[light quarry]

gonna play normal DS build today in there and see the difference

1st boss going to be insane

[coral pivot]

I know most people are not a fan of what Tettles thinks, but he's right that most people would play a shit boring class if it beats everyone on damage

MT is also one of the dungeons I'd consider it

And MC

[light quarry]

i mean i think ds is better in alot more dungeons than people think

[worn geyser]

this is the difference

[royal lantern]

well duh

thats a "water is wet" take

we literally have people telling you how devourer dh is fun gameplay

[coral pivot]

Yet you disagree that people can think DS is fun despite it making the big envenom

[royal lantern]

(its overtuned)

[light quarry]

this is the response i got from my warrior from that pic

[royal lantern]

who the hell looks at individual ability dmg in 2026

like man, do you guys really have floating numbers enabled and watch out for something that is 800 higher then the norm?

[royal lantern]

nah, i disagree with the entire "omg its so good funnel!!!!" take cus like

funnel is basically always just a big cope

[coral pivot]

Well, if you abuse the amount of funnel it has, it carries quite the merit

[royal lantern]

or you just play one of the actually strong classes that does more in both

if you would care about that

[coral pivot]

Idk how a guy who likes playing rogue would paly rogue on a different class

[light quarry]

why are we even bringing up what other classes can do when we are talking about assa rogue 😭

just reroll dk or aug is always the answer if ur gonna bring that into the convo lmao

[worn geyser]

it seems pretty good but fb also still plays well the extra prio is nice but like if you play with any other prio class it honestly just feels like a downgrade straight up but idk its also only 20s so like 21-23 I could see it being even stronger

in 20s at least i dont think its worth the mental damage i take from playing it personally

[trim cairn]

Im never seeing this prio damage from other prio classes in my keys

You never know when you get a paladin without ES specced after all

First pack in MT and the construct is at 60-70% hp when rest of the adds die

[worn geyser]

I mean yeah the construct lives a while or like grave blades in pit etc, but like a seer in NXP is dying on 20 even on FB with 5 secs left on DM if I play with a uhdk its fried

I dunno I tried it in a few keys cause like it does sim better it seems but it just always ended up feeling pretty bad as prio target just dies insta with certain comps + energy regen leaving me pretty dry but I think incorporating the cancelaura can help with that last part at least

[worn geyser]

for sure on pit it seems worth though, like one of charrends logs even with running follow the blood was like great damage and insane prio damage https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VcFf2TdKJ6PnkvLD?fight=66&type=damage-done the targets there at least seem big enough u can really like get some DN's in and i think this is a log without utilizing any cancelaura afaik

[hazy sundial]

Am i missing something? I thought assa blasts boss damage? At least in raids, assa is top boss damage

[warm vortex]

How else am I supposed to play my game

[light quarry]

literally died before the smallies with ds + SD 😭 😭

shit was nuts

[warm vortex]

Also I remember dev evoker proi in S3
Would just kill its prio target so nobody else could funnel

[light quarry]

I mean people can hate ds all they want and absolutely dont need to play it lol,
I however think its definetly better in alot of dungeons than fb

Not better for the overall dmg, but better for the dungeon speed which is all that matters

[warm vortex]

DS can just be a ballache

Also doesn’t it give better survivability or does rogue not struggle with it at all atm

Been a bit since I’ve checked up

[light quarry]

its a failsafe more like

With bad healer pugs its very nice

But generally we are very..uh... alive

[warm vortex]

Fair
I just play one of the walking sponge classes atm so I wouldn’t know

[light quarry]

its omega squishy outside of feint, but feint is broken so we gucci

[warm vortex]

Now we just need crimson off the GCD

[light quarry]

[trim cairn]

I mean idk I was pretty depressed browsing through the defensive spreadsheet for season 1 dungeons

Tons of stuff that should be feintable isn't if you ask me

[light quarry]

I just press it and if i live i live

[spice surge]

They were talking about M+

But also, sins ST in raid is just alright. Its high on boss damage charts because it literally cant do anything else besides hit boss, whereas some other classes will attempt to pad on adds (or actually kill adds that needs to die, depending on boss/prog status).

So assa effectively "pads" its boss dps by not touching the adds much in raid

[trim cairn]

I mean sub is beating out assa on boss damage these days

Pretty even tho

[light quarry]

if sub went as much st prio as we did they would beat us everytime in raid pretty sure

Spec just does more

[vestal wren]

Deathstalker should beat it, but is also more single target focused

i don't think the diffrence is that gigantic, so don't think there is a big incentive to switch spec

subtlety has the advantage to be able to pad a bit more efficiently

[pearl mauve]

Any chance to see some in MDI finals you think ? Even without the fearless huge prio could make the difference in some places

[light quarry]

No

[pearl mauve]

:c

[light quarry]

could see play to get banned or something

Idk if finals even have bans?

[pearl mauve]

No

[light quarry]

Yeah then probably no

[pearl mauve]

Fearless is only for group phase

[royal lantern]

at the same time, assa is doing more dmg during execute phases

which is a good thing for lura, where the sub aoe stuff is not really needed

🤷‍♂️

[spice surge]

Sub is just better at boss damage now after the changes

Deathstalker sitting on the boss is gonna do more than assa

[royal lantern]

let me cope ok

[gilded lark]

elaborate planning

aka disgusting clipfest

hated that talent

[shut willow]

i just see peopel being like yo, i have 220% mastery, and i'm like wtf

[old sphinx]

agonizing poison 👌

[manic vigil]

@shrewd oriole once you don't get any upgrades just gear outlul, ez

[strange python]

Epblaborate Tplanbering

[shrewd oriole]

Both my boots and neck are mastery versa, as well as my argus ring

[strange python]

Eptb

[shrewd oriole]

Playing outlaw tho OMEGALUL

[manic vigil]

After that your affli alt

And don't lie

[primal sphinx]

i have actually looked at that

[shrewd oriole]

Kappa

[manic vigil]

You have one

[shrewd oriole]

You misspelt monk

[manic vigil]

Alright

That works too

[waxen arch]

and i got the fucking legs for 1k essence

[strange python]

Grats

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t have a lock

[primal sphinx]

i can do a sim between the two and see what happens i guess

[manic vigil]

Kudos

[shrewd oriole]

Never played a ranged apart from disc priest in siege

Since Tbc

LUL

[manic vigil]

Fair enough

[lone junco]

@primal sphinx if you have 3Dp it might not work out. it was tied for me, so i like it for multi ruptures like coven. and the crit buff on argus

[shrewd oriole]

Our other rogue is going monk after argus

Our dk is going monk as well

[primal sphinx]

im on M coven atm

[shrewd oriole]

Feels bad man

Ew

I hated coven

[warm geode]

im lvling an monk but with no rush .-.

[primal sphinx]

i hate multi rupture at times fucks with my envenom uptime

[lone junco]

sure.

[shrewd oriole]

Coven is a poorly designed boss

[primal sphinx]

drops my dps alot i find

[shrewd oriole]

It’s just so unfun for melees

Retarded

I like argus tho

Only had one night on him but

[primal sphinx]

im ont of 2 melle for it

one*-

we dropped em all

[shrewd oriole]

Pretty decent fight so far

[primal sphinx]

all locks ands SPriests

[shrewd oriole]

Feels bad for immunities ruling the tier yet again

All the locks you geared for coven? haHAA Benched on argus

Thanks blizzard

[manic vigil]

Can't you out gear and outheal it also

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

Depends

[manic vigil]

I wouldn't know, heroic scrub

[shrewd oriole]

The less immunities you have the more dps you need

[manic vigil]

Makes sense yeah

[shrewd oriole]

But most guilds have something like 12

[primal sphinx]

yea i mena we only had abouit 5 pulls on it last time since w ejust got varit donw

but we got em to 50%

yea all out locks are geared af

[shrewd oriole]

B E N C H E D

we had 8 locks for coven, 2 for argus

OMEGALUK

[primal sphinx]

hell i volunteered to be benched for it haha

[vernal adder]

luk

[primal sphinx]

they wouldnt let me lol

[shrewd oriole]

Kek

Assa is good for coven tho

Good for a melee at least

Even monks get benched on argus sometimes

I hate immunities

300 seconds on 10 targets tho wtf

[warm geode]

forgot to change the lenght .-.

for m+ trash

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k8Em74ix58L5fauNWuXVgq
x
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/65khu5HcxvTJcQ2zmhqouN

moonglaive/mastery trinket(for pb) and when moonglaive on cd ssf/mastery trinket

[lone junco]

but at least bracer boot is a gain.

sad day on the exang.

Oh I fudged the 2p20.

[shrewd oriole]

WTB high mastery trinket

Maybe I can get pantheon kek

[strange python]

dispatch cumback ?

[lone junco]

@warm parcel sry for the dumb. Does the Nibble ring buff bleeds?

I see conflicting info

[warm parcel]

no

[lone junco]

It fits nicely over vanish NS exang window.

[manic vigil]

Still hoping for a 985 mastery stat stick

[lone junco]

and i got a massively gross rupture the other day.

[manic vigil]

It can happen

Xd

[dire spoke]

CYBER 👺

[manic vigil]

Right after I win the lottery ez life

[lapis shale]

I got 3 920 stat stick with mastery, a few days later got a 940 with haste FeelsBadMan

[strange python]

rupture goes arcane dmg

[manic vigil]

Imagine a 985 urn 🤤 🤤

[gusty ice]

On mythic Kin'garoth, does cloaking inside a Demolish soak mean that the others in there with me will take more damage? Like... Does it negate the fact that I'm in there?

[lapis shale]

I assume cloaking there is like a bubble from a paladin, so yes, they'll take the whole damage

(Assuming is magic damage, of course)

[gusty ice]

Cool. That's what I thought. Just wanted to be sure.

[lilac summit]

why are these 2 stats weights difrent?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bLbo7w5wdf1oZ7pw87yYDL

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wmUwcXyFBjvLP4PRiQYnpt

[primal sphinx]

on Kin i save cloak for add phase

[lone junco]

the dps difference is indignificant

[torn token]

cause your not simming with nightly

[primal sphinx]

its heal intense and someimtes you may not get a heal

[lone junco]

and no crucible data

[lapis shale]

@manic vigil Just imagine a 950, a 985 would be crazy. A friend got a 930 arcanocrystal with avoidance on his lock, feelscrazyman

[manic vigil]

Sounds delicious for sure

[lapis shale]

You cant bench him anymore Kappa

[manic vigil]

I'm still wearing my 910socket arcano

😃

[lapis shale]

I just have a 910 with socket on my lock

[lone junco]

@lilac summit the weight ratios are about the same. the difference is insignifcant. Make sure to use nightlly and import your data from /simc addon to pick up your relics.

[lapis shale]

There is no good trinket from Antorus for rogues right?

[manic vigil]

👀

[lone junco]

Argus. and Dogs

[lilac summit]

ty noobe

[strange python]

Is it worth to change Faulty Countermeasure out with Forgefiend's Fabricator?

[lone junco]

countermeasure is like 0 dps

[lapis shale]

Oh I forgot the trinket from dogs, 6th week in a row and still no trinket from Argus FeelsBadMan

[manic vigil]

A ghost 👻

[strange python]

yeah okay, thanks!

[lapis shale]

I'm farming a good eye of command, but didnt have luck yet

[manic vigil]

Same

[lone junco]

finally got a 925 and it matches my 945 fang.

[manic vigil]

Only got a 910 from argunite

[lone junco]

literally 0.0% different

[manic vigil]

Then I'd use fang for sure

[lone junco]

same

[strange python]

does 'magic damage' buff our nature damage?

or i guess, is 'magic damage' every damage type except physical?

[lapis shale]

A friend got a 940 yesterday and I wasnt there :(

[livid hull]

It will boost your poison damage

[strange python]

thanks

[livid hull]

Use it on CD with the singular exception if are wearing zoldyck and it wouldn't be back up during the 30% portion

[strange python]

psn is nature school

[mental aurora]

What does bleed fall under?

[livid hull]

you bank it in that case

[lone junco]

phys

[strange python]

physical

[livid hull]

It would be a dps gain to sync it with vend if its your last cast also

I'm lazy and I've just macro'd it to vendetta

[dusty finch]

Hey guys, do you know what Dungeon/Dungeons give you some nice Mastery/Crit rings and Neck?

[strange python]

find weakness will be an sub talant choice

o.o

darkheart

[plush oasis]

DHT has both.

[strange python]

for two good rings and a neck

[dusty finch]

aaaah I see

ty vm

[livid hull]

@dusty finch DHT has best crit/Mast ring and neck. Hov has a good crit/Mast Ring. Arc has a crit/Mast neck but not as much mast as the DHT neck.

[dusty finch]

Ty

[zealous dew]

HoV as well

2 rings

C/m and c/M

[strange python]

the dht neck is awesome

man the alpha has so many good models. the art team really outdid themselves.

a lot of people shitting on aszhara's model and im like wtf she looks dope

[zealous dew]

this one: https://gyazo.com/ada6e12422ef7bcd227bbc0de1904539 ?

[lone junco]

@zealous dew you hit 2.3M sim yet?

[strange python]

ive both on equal ilvl .. dht neck sims straight better

[manic vigil]

Must. Resist. Clicking. Links. Data. Volume. Almost. Capped. Rip

[zealous dew]

nah 2.197 with pantheon 20

have got ssf 960 yesterday

[urban storm]

what ilvl shant?

[manic vigil]

Still simming with panth 0

🤔

[zealous dew]

961

[strange python]

me too

[zealous dew]

playing w/b though

[strange python]

i started a sim with 20 now xD

[chilly marsh]

anyone here already killed mythic coven ?

[lone junco]

im catching up ilvl wise but that 2.2 is pretty large.

[strange python]

TIRIA
2.287.612 DPS

[zealous dew]

😄

[lone junco]

my highest is 956 at 1.92 (with a relic swap

[urban storm]

2.09 at 962 with 0 panth, standard 5min patchwerk

[lone junco]

relics i dont have ofc.

[urban storm]

i still need better relics

still dont have 3MA

[strange python]

i dont have 3 ma too

[urban storm]

i do have 3 alch though

[strange python]

7malch 5enve5 ma 5bb

[urban storm]

i have 6MA 5BB

[lone junco]

Vendetta and Mut are nice for both specs.

ideally i think id like 3vend 1mut 2Dp.

[manic vigil]

"Both specs"

Wut

Bleedy boi

[strange python]

xD

[lone junco]

[manic vigil]

😏

[lone junco]

i commit to nothing.

relics are fucking bullshit btw. ~~ Destroy my ass.~~

[manic vigil]

Sounds painful

[strange python]

exsang doenst feel great at all, on beta with 100%bota proc on opener was nice

and EN was love ;P

[lone junco]

if you have 3vend and Boots, we can talk

prior to that is it complete shit

cg if you will

[dawn kettle]

thots on the spell changes for bfa as they are currently?

[lone junco]

no thots

stealth mark CT might be neat.

thats my only thot

[dawn kettle]

wtf is stealth mark

[manic vigil]

Too early for me to comment on the stuff

We shall see

I don't trust them

[bold dune]

pretty sure MfD was pruned for assassination?

[dawn kettle]

it was, i think it was replaced with poison bomb

[strange python]

no, dfa was I think

mfd is still there

[dawn kettle]

obviously it's really really early but it's interesting to see what people thing throughout the whole process

[manic vigil]

Fair enough

[strange python]

I really like that they are reworking venom rush and practically making the old version baseline

[dawn kettle]

nah, dfa is still there for sin

75 talents seem useless across the board outside of open world/pvp

[strange python]

ive done tons of vault keys at exp start to get this shit tripple ma with boots

[dire spoke]

Where is Cyber ):

[bold dune]

wow did connor just try to misinform me

[strange python]

i feel dispatch

[bold dune]

I'm pissed

[strange python]

huh?

[lone junco]

the only reason we dont use mark now, is that the energy costs and returns are kindof shit. I love it as a talent, and they moved it to a middle row, and you can still get the VV energy one.

[manic vigil]

Get the torches Bois

[lone junco]

mark got moved down to the row with kidney bleed i think.

[strange python]

http://beta.wowdb.com/talent-calculator#R

death from above

is gone

.

[lone junco]

i guess that doesnt match the notes from yesterday. or im wrong

[strange python]

also, that iron wire looks ridiculous in pvp @dawn kettle

[bold dune]

yeah I don't think they do

[strange python]

8 second silence!!

[dawn kettle]

it wont last 8s in pvp

rogue will hard counter every spell caster in pvp if it does.

[dawn kettle]

8s garrote > 6s kidney > vanish 8s garrote again

no healer will pvp

[manic vigil]

🤔

[strange python]

hmm. that is odd.

[lone junco]

they removed mark. and moved it over

[dawn kettle]

it sucks they didnt make poison bomb an actual button

[lone junco]

lol

[strange python]

meh. 4% pb is pretty sweet imo

"Mastery: Potent Assassin". Increases the damage done by your poisons by [*400% and bleeds by [160% of Spell Power]%

[lone junco]

was excited for mark on the cc row

[strange python]

uhh

mastery scaling with bleeds is cool too.

and bleeds now

[frosty pagoda]

poison bomb on a button? That's too many buttons for sin.

[strange python]

well speak of the devil

[frosty pagoda]

Keepo

[lone junco]

i would rather high mastery on poison OR bleeds.

[dawn kettle]

i mean it would just be nice for poison bomb to be a 2m cd, with a 2% chance per combo point spent to reset the cd and make it free

[lone junco]

but w/e

i dont care about expac.

[strange python]

how does that change anything

[lone junco]

was just bummed to see hpal not losing that stupid mastery range bullshit.

[strange python]

lol maybe they will

[lone junco]

the WoD absorb was godly.

[strange python]

vw goes up to 20

12

xD

20 lül ..

[lone junco]

good

[strange python]

yeah because venom rush now refunds some of mutilate energy

[lone junco]

that one is odd.

[strange python]

instead of being a must take talent in every case

[lone junco]

its just reduced mut cost.

[strange python]

yeah, it's kind of wierd, but Im glad they changed it

[calm grail]

I like that iron wire Talent

[strange python]

i don't like 15s cd feint

[lone junco]

its fine. other classes are like 2min

[calm grail]

I think the idea was that you would actually have to think about when you used it.

[lone junco]

just dont feint early

[strange python]

feint has never had a cd though xd

[lone junco]

rogue has always been overpowered?

[strange python]

jap

[lone junco]

yay cheat death tho amirite

[mental aurora]

Evasion’s cd is being cut in half

[lone junco]

its not that useful in raid?

are we tanking now

👺

[bold dune]

they gotta remove or at least buff the energy cost of feint

then I'll approve of the change

[strange python]

certain mechanics you can dodge

[dire spoke]

Feint CD 💦

[cosmic nacelle]

cloak cd increased feint now has a cd sky is fallin time to go warrior bois

[calm grail]

What about that sweet new mastery

🍆 💦

[strange python]

i dont know any raid examples, but the wicked slam on the demon arcway boss you can dodge with the short evasion from shadowstep.

[calm grail]

If they Nerf our defenses a little bit but give us more damage

👌

[mental aurora]

New mastery means we get to be both poison and bleed! Muahahahahahaha!

[lone junco]

sure.

[strange python]

its nice

[lone junco]

and neither scale well

zing!

[manic vigil]

Xd

[calm grail]

Well, you have to remember that this is literally the first build

[manic vigil]

Noobe the optimist

[ocean grotto]

Wonder if they will make haste useful 🤔

[strange python]

bleeds in legion is an scaling beast

[calm grail]

It's not like they arent going to tweak things

[mental aurora]

Plus the lower % is because of the stat squish

[strange crow]

Okay eveeyone, totally equivalent gear otherwise with a 4 Pc 21 - is it worth it to try sin with only mantle and a large stat stick like belt or boots?

Or am I fucked without bracers

[calm grail]

I like that blade flurry discharge base now, but less nerfed.

[lone junco]

Noobe is a risk manager.

[calm grail]

Is charge*

[lone junco]

anyway. is dispatch good?

[calm grail]

Used to be.

[strange python]

you are not fucked without bracers

[lone junco]

so dispatch is their bracer

got it

[strange python]

dispatch was the little xqt brah

i want to see the numbers for crimson tempest

[dire spoke]

well first boss will be a pillar, maybe we can Dodge his spikes

[cosmic nacelle]

dispatch was good but now that its a talnet between that and master poisioner 🤔

[mental aurora]

You def want to use them if you have them, but it’s not like you do 0 damage without them

[calm grail]

Crimson Tempest is the reliable AoE, and Pbomb will be risk/rewaed AOE.

[strange python]

especially since master poisoner got buffed to 40% too

[cosmic nacelle]

also having to choose between venom rush and toxic blade will suck

[strange python]

the reworked venom rush

[lone junco]

those sons ov bitches.

[calm grail]

Will it?

[quasi geode]

poison bomb will be more relevant on single target I fear

[lone junco]

put VR on the same row as TB/Exang

[mental aurora]

Remember, this is suuuuper early. Things are 100% subject to changes

[strange python]

it refunds 3 mutilate energy, how good could that possibly be

[calm grail]

I'm still just digging Iron wire in m+

[lone junco]

ANTI goes to 8cp.

lolol

fricking turds

[cosmic nacelle]

but keeping a nerfed mantle of the master assassian is really cool to bad sub and outlaw dont get it

[lone junco]

the only time i enjoyed it was 10cp finish finish

[mental aurora]

Remember, this is the earliest build we’re getting. Don’t act like “this is 100% how it’ll be at BfA launch”

[calm grail]

Iron wire and Subterfuge is like a 3 mob 8 second silence.

[cosmic nacelle]

@strange python its 5 energy not 3 refunded

[strange python]

says three in http://beta.wowdb.com/talent-calculator#R

[cosmic nacelle]

http://bfa.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination wowhead has 5

[strange python]

though i think we discovered that link is not current to the patch notes

[ocean grotto]

and mut has a 30% chance for dispatch to reset, so prob more execute damage is the logic there

[cosmic nacelle]

ah i must be behind then'

[drifting crypt]

5 is still nothing compared to the energy you get from the current venom rush 🙃

[mental aurora]

Let’s just pray we get beta keys so we can test things out for ourselves

[strange python]

mutilate cost was already lowered by 5

to 50

[drifting crypt]

oh right

[strange python]

which is a great change. always thought mutilate costed too much.

[drifting crypt]

and they increased venomous wounds to 12 per tick

instead of the 7(+3) we have on live

[calm grail]

Dang sonnn

It will be cool to get the whole picture once it is all in beta.

See how it really plays

[strange python]

yeah they really want us to get smoother energy regen.

they are keeping the vendetta energy too.

but i think it is 40, not 60

good day to be a sin rogue

[mental aurora]

It’s 40, plus an additional 40 over a few seconds

Last I saw

[drifting crypt]

but 2min cd 😦

i hope azerite armor thingy has some cdr for it

[calm grail]

From the looks of it, we will have actual choices between single Target and AOE fights.

[warm parcel]

no

😠

no cdr

[calm grail]

With a superficial glance of course

[manic vigil]

Do our TCs get early access and stuff? I hope so. Way more useful than me derping around there 😃

[drifting crypt]

@warm parcel you dont like 1min vendetta?

[warm parcel]

I dont like doing apl for 9235489239423 combinations

[manic vigil]

Why not weak

Ez life

[drifting crypt]

i didnt mean a duskwalker type of cdr, but just plain and simple -1min cd

[warm parcel]

I feel its their goal to reduce overall pace of rogue

so less cdr less energy less cps

[strange python]

would be too strong

[manic vigil]

Even slower 😳

[strange python]

1 min vendetta... it already lasts 20s

[drifting crypt]

assa can have less than we have on live?🙃

[manic vigil]

Rip

I'll fall asleep then

[pure sparrow]

Who’s fastest APM rn? Sub?

[warm parcel]

assas swimming in resources atm

[calm grail]

There's a difference between lower actions per minute, and energy capping.

[manic vigil]

🏊 👌

[strange python]

of all classes?

fury warrior probably

[pure sparrow]

Ye

[warm parcel]

dispatch already increases apm without bloating resources

[drifting crypt]

in ST you arent swimming in resource IMO

[strange python]

or enhance shaman

[warm parcel]

you can have 100% tier uptime 🤔

[calm grail]

I kind of missed dispatch,

[warm parcel]

when envenom becomes a 100% meaningless buff something is wrong

on design level imo

[lone junco]

agree

env uptime should be crucial for DP application.

[strange python]

i mean, it still is

[lone junco]

otherwise we are just pb reliant.

[strange python]

show me someone with 100% env uptime

[drifting crypt]

and you dont achieve 100% uptime when not playing perfect

[lone junco]

weaks 100% log was a loss.

but i digress.

afk

[warm parcel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hb6zM7xXZFvRG3gw#fight=last&type=auras&source=6

100% uptime on both for 10 mins

Id say thats an issue

[strange python]

damn

[calm grail]

I'm confused, is it bad that you are able to keep it up that much?

[cosmic nacelle]

100% uptime on a dummy no movemnt no downtime 🤔

[warm parcel]

in terms of class design imo it is

wheres the decicion making in having them up all the time

[calm grail]

Isn't that just a result of having good gear?

[drifting crypt]

but you played with anticipation?

[warm parcel]

ye cause anti is better than vigor anyway

and at the same time allows 100% uptime

And ye high crit helps

No idea if theres a certain point where it just clicks

[calm grail]

That's a good point, I had kind of disregarded anticipation to this point, but the set bonus and higher crit chance with mutilate now makes it viable if your gears appropriate

[strange python]

!guide

[calm grail]

I kind of want to sim that now

Because essentially, you're choosing between energy regeneration or wasting CPs. It's all kind of the same isn't it.

[strange python]

Is there a add on that tracks the poison timers ?

[warm parcel]

anti allows you to buffer combo points instead of energy ye

and at the same time reduces cp bleed to flat out 0

which obviously gives dps

[calm grail]

What is your effective mutilate crit chance at with traits and everything?

[warm parcel]

70%

[tranquil birch]

So some peoole are simming higher with anti on pure st?

[warm parcel]

I am at least

[tranquil birch]

How much crit you got?

[warm parcel]

40

[zealous dew]

https://gyazo.com/7a2f44f846393482b7d7f3163c2f14c4

spaghet blizzardo wtf ?

where is my PK

[warm parcel]

pk is just shit now

[zealous dew]

yeah agree

[strange python]

Poison bomb strong

Was the the prenerf

[zealous dew]

i've used dozens of finishers

[strange python]

Or patch

[tranquil birch]

Ok next question Is how does the apl change with it, just finish with any # of cp above five and less than 10?

[zealous dew]

this is a 17 eoa now

pre shit i haad around 20% pk dmg

[warm parcel]

go for 5

but if tier would drop you can go 4

and never build if you can miss a cp from seal fate

[warm kiln]

is the apl doing that`

[tranquil birch]

Hmmm ok but with anti it seems like juat a pure loss to finish less than 5..? Why would you finish at 4?

[warm parcel]

to preserve tier

and no apl is not that smart

[tranquil birch]

Ohhh

[warm parcel]

the playstyle revolves around upkeep of tier

[warm kiln]

because i was lurking and just ran a default sim and its not even 10k behind

while most likely not being optimized

[warm parcel]

it was optimized a little

more should be on the way

like for me the oncoming optimization was 11k

and if were able to reconstruct the apl around tier we can see how it fares against mongo style

[lapis shale]

How do you play with anti?

I mean, your rotation

[tranquil birch]

Scroll up

Like 5 mins

[lapis shale]

I like to try different things even if they arent the best

[strange python]

Quick thing what ring should I keep on ravenholt or vigor

[kindred chasm]

yes

[keen inlet]

I haven't tried anti, but what do you think of the play"speed" Weak

[warm parcel]

just any regular combo of legos you would otherwise use

for me thats insignia/mantle/boots

and what speed 🤔

[keen inlet]

My biggest concern giving up viggah is just zzzzzz double sleepmode

[calm grail]

Pacing

[covert ibex]

bfa changes look good hopefully pb isnt strong and we go dfa/crimson

[tranquil birch]

Like does it feel clunky without vigor

[keen inlet]

and/or energy stahvayshun

[warm parcel]

if you swap out vigor you only lose like 4% regen

and with more tier uptime prolly gain that back

or more

[lapis shale]

I think it may feel a bit clunky without vigor but who knows, I'll give it a try

[keen inlet]

[strange python]

I just started using it and it feels better

[calm grail]

I think with my natural Critical Strike chance and the balance blade traits, I only come up to about 56% Mutilate crit.

Wonder if it is still worth trying

[strange python]

Beside the rings I only have the dread Lord cape

So I keep that on cause of nice proc on fan

[warm parcel]

if youve both rings and cape

go rings

cape is just a dead lego

[strange python]

Fbm

[lapis shale]

Both rings you mean sephuz + ravenholdt?

[pure sparrow]

Is there any ways to ensure less wasted CP from seal fate ? Or is it just SOL Crit procs?

[strange python]

I have sephuz too

[warm parcel]

anti grants 0% overflow 😏

[strange python]

dont mutilate at 4cp... not much else

[pure sparrow]

Fucking anti shills

[lapis shale]

I am using Ravenholdt ring cause I just have that, Sephuz and crown

But Ravenholdt always make like 4% of my damage, is not a huge increase but it's something

[devout temple]

is this bfa talents foreal?

[strange python]

not final of course

[devout temple]

they give 2 aoe talents damn

[pure sparrow]

On Antoran HC, should we apply rupture to all adds that spawn ?

[warm parcel]

no

[lapis shale]

They never live long enough for rupture to be good I think

[exotic geyser]

How about mythic?

[calm grail]

I just keep her rupture and Garrote on primary target.

[tranquil birch]

I dont rupture them besides for pod transitions on mythic

[calm grail]

Then with the tier bonus, you get enough energy.

And yeah, I will rupture them on Mythic as energy batteries if there are any stragglers.

[tranquil birch]

Hard swap to adds when boss changes, getting bleeds up and everything, them shaow step to boss to get under shield

[lapis shale]

If you do it when the boss starts to cast the swap you can make it

[gilded lark]

@viscid helm is this what weak looks like irl

[warm parcel]

about ye

[covert ibex]

idk if this is a bug or not but if you have cloak 100 percent buff arent you supposed to get 4 cp?

last night on progression i was getting 3 cp sometimes

[warm parcel]

mantle you mean?

and ye if you get parried

[covert ibex]

yeah mantle

sorry

hmm ok

[strange python]

if one of the two mutilate strikes parry

[lone junco]

@jovial kite you're letting me down man. At least get some farm logs.

[manic vigil]

I like how weak casually turns the meta upside down 😳 I don't think my current WA even support anti xd

[lapis shale]

He didnt use shoulders on some fights, why is that?

[lone junco]

Im just looking at his bleedy logs.

at least this one was good.

25M rupture 👌

[dire spoke]

I miss Dracus

[manic vigil]

Illya is a grill confirmed 😮 getting those shoes > all amiright gurl?

[lone junco]

you can still @ him i think. maybe he is just mut

[manic vigil]

😄

[tough warren]

is sin hard to pick up? I kinda dont like sub :D

[manic vigil]

sin is ez mode

compared to sub imo at least

[dire spoke]

picks @manic vigil up

No is light

[tough warren]

i really dislike the deaths dance mechanic gonna try it out then i guess :3

[manic vigil]

why are you touching me?! 😳

... I didn't say you should stop 😊

[dire spoke]

😏

[dark crag]

anticipation new meta?

[manic vigil]

possibly

maybe only with weak pro skills and 210IQ

🤷

[dark crag]

for rick & morty watcher?

[dire spoke]

sin players

[tough warren]

that kinda suits me

feels like home

[manic vigil]

xd

good one @dire spoke

[warm parcel]

You mean OL players trying out sin 🤔

[manic vigil]

😄

[kindred forge]

wtf is wrong with the insignia simming so high with sholders?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ebhLjEGFFAHuymxeuoZuGZ

[warm parcel]

insignia is good

more news at 11

more accurately

[kindred forge]

I love you two but...but how ?

[manic vigil]

weak is a bully 😦

[warm parcel]

you have a dog shit ring
and decent boots

[kindred forge]

True that

[warm parcel]

all legos are fairly close

[manic vigil]

^

[warm parcel]

so any good offpiece tilts it

wrist boots hat ring mantle

[lone junco]

this is what i ran in lfr. it felt like a 100k loss for sure.

[manic vigil]

people always think that the current "bis lego" trumps anything

[lone junco]

even if the apl was right. my gear must not be good for that.

[manic vigil]

but tbf people have been saying that forever ^^

[warm parcel]

yeah I think specs are fairly locked by gear

[manic vigil]

I remember Fuu telling that to the sub plebs almost everyday

[lone junco]

I liked sub bracer until it got fucked

[drifting cloud]

ring was outsimming gloves for me for a while

[lone junco]

let me revise. I only liked sub on host. and M+

mongo cleave.

[primal sphinx]

Sub a raid spec LUL

[warm parcel]

dat 99% uptime on sb on mistress

[jovial kite]

Weak

[dire spoke]

LUL sub in 2k18

[jovial kite]

Tf u doing

Ur not working

[warm parcel]

working on your mum

I mean apl

[manic vigil]

never had a cof so yeee

[jovial kite]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

served

[manic vigil]

newb rog is newb

[lone junco]

always

[jovial kite]

vanish

[lone junco]

Poison Load on cd

[jovial kite]

On my mum am i rite

[warm parcel]

I feel like waiting for koji to reconstruct the core a little

Hes a bit more skilled when it comes to writing apl an all that

[manic vigil]

<---

fanclub for a reason amiright

😄

[dire spoke]

yo mum is so fat she gave me a loading screen

[lone junco]

is that good or bad?

[manic vigil]

not coo cmonBruh

[warm parcel]

And Ill just try and break the apl. And come up with retarded ideas like anti and make them work

[lone junco]

"come up with"

ill let that pass.

[tough warren]

is the guide in the #rules-and-guides channel for sin still usable? it says 7.3.2, have there been any changes since then?

[manic vigil]

it's not your idea noobe

let it go

[lone junco]

bracer vig/anti was really good for the buff timing.

I have a log from like 3 months ago

[manic vigil]

let

it

go

😄

[manic vigil]

hate me all you want but that song is fucking catchy

singing it rn

nothing?

where's the hate

[warm parcel]

Not judging

[dire spoke]

ppl busy on utube listening to elsa

[lone junco]

nb nb

1 week still the same

[dire spoke]

heroic