i dont trust you, loa of misinformation
#assassination
bold wigeon
strange onyx
Buckos coming in here expecting in depth research answers when they can just go do a lil bit of digging on their own
solar wyvern
Idt its meant to be without specifically routing for it tbh
And i cant get NA to try normal routes
So
lavish peak
“Normal routes”
strange onyx
I’ll do my weekly 9s today and do some research
lavish peak
“Arachnophobia”
golden loom
And i cant get NA to try normal routes
regionswap to make DS meta 
solar wyvern
“Arachnophobia”
Look bro if my shaman is a scardy cat in windrunner
strange onyx
SD DS could be something SDDSASSA, it sounds like a sims cheat code
solar wyvern
Vause we only have 1 poison dispel
strange onyx
Could be m+ cheat code
iron thorn
chonky character sheet
bold wigeon
Buckos coming in here expecting in depth research answers when they can just go ...
Loa of buckos gfys
marsh fjord
runic hinge
DS brainrot in full force
coral ibex
somebody tell me how much prio damage DS does in pull 7 of pit saron +21
NOW
these things MATTER
runic hinge
“Let me play a hero talent that does worse numbers and feels like ass to play so I can cope on my prio which my spec already has a ton of”
We’re talking about Fok in ST and people wanna do that?
Imma puke
spice surge
somebody tell me how much prio damage DS does in pull 7 of pit saron +21
More than 2
lavish peak
somebody tell me how much prio damage DS does in pull 7 of pit saron +21
Pull 7 is a boss fight lock in
Though I guess you do have funnel for it
golden loom
pull 7 teleport out and swap to fatebound
coral ibex
pull 7 teleport out and swap to fatebound
hell yea that's some serious cope lemme hit that
golden loom
catch me dead before I play deathstalker
coral ibex
if i swap hero talents people will accept me into keys...
golden loom
I am just doing my silly 10s demising all over the place
coral ibex
mages are on suicide watch and they're just having a bad season for a rogue
golden loom
look demise can even remove damage from your group, now thats what I call prio
lavish peak
mages are on suicide watch and they're just having a bad season for a rogue
All 3 mage specs being bad versus all 3 rogue specs being pretty good lmao
It’s crazy it’s that close still
golden loom
fire mage takeover
wide ferry
bout time they felt the pain
dire flume
pride month soon
cant wait for spec discords to change their pfps and invite some of the most deranged takes ever out of nowhere in general chats
its gonna be so good
dire flume
yeah its just really entertaining to watch people join the discord for 2 days to complain about lgbt being "shoved down their throats" and thinly veiled bigotry until they can't hide it anymore
balmy condor
Its like a yearly spring cleaning
runic hinge
its always fun when someone who isnt necessarily bad but i generally dont like gets baited by some pixels into getting themself banned
little tulip
the crazy part is most of it is paid chatters making people womp out
strange onyx
You have that here?
little tulip
yeah i know salaried trolling is wild
strange onyx
That’s crazy if you don’t have a rainbow parse you don’t get to have opinions
strange onyx
the crazy part is most of it is paid chatters making people womp out
Wait who pays for chatters?
coral ibex
whispyr pays me in pp touches to counter-shitpost
strange onyx
Whispyr lets me use his raidbots login for free, but that doesn’t feel like getting payed
dire flume
radiant aspen
real pike
Damn Germany actually has some pretty good views on the train
Missing raid tonight for a football game, feel like I'm getting dangerously close to normal people behaviour
light quarry
look demise can even remove damage from your group, now thats what I call prio
this is how the best devourer in the world looks like against the worst sudden demise player
storm forum
Oh no I just noticed it's not vdh/dps druid
golden loom
Oh no I just noticed it's *not* vdh/dps druid
to be fair to the lad, I think he was 240 ilvl
storm forum
Ahh
cinder seal
@balmy condor why u dont like ds?
light quarry
to be fair to the lad, I think he was 240 ilvl
nonono, he was 290 surely
spice surge
<@167090536602140682> why u dont like ds?
He made an entire video about it 
cinder seal
i saw it
shrewd night
So if you saw it, why do you have to ask 
strange onyx
Ragebait?!
low silo
DS kinda fucks tho
little tulip
(i didn't know deathstalker got an update, thanks)
little tulip
yeah deathstalker feels like bopit sometimes
i liked it but also it's too specific
like..the one cool branch of outlaw was hidden/kir right
deathstalker is kir levels of specific with none of the benefits and it's a tuning nightmare for sure
and of course kir is every 6 minutes every pull deathstalker can grief in about 10 seconds etc
spice surge
Something that whispyr didnt mention in the video (since its mostly assa related) is that this talent actually feels insanely ass for sub
little tulip
we were living a 18 magisters i take 0 responsiblity by the way
spice surge
Because in general your dances line up so that you can consistently DN twice in dance, and then hold some sht for the next set of dance+2x dn
But if you proc this you have to hold way longer, or screw up the alignment
blazing totem
Something that whispyr didnt mention in the video (since its mostly assa related...
this talent is so dog it's crazy
even if it works it's bad lol
cinder seal
Is it bad when every spec has its own gameplay feature?
I really like DS because it gives the spec its identity since WOTLK. Assa identity has always been tied to the mark. I'd like it to be the main spec; I've always liked the mark crap.
What Whisper says is more propaganda for class versatility. He likes it when it's convenient and there are no problems.
His main point is: I don't like the DS mark crap because you have to think about how to move it—what's the point of even having a mark if you can move it at any time? I think if you don't like moving the mark, it's better to find another specialization whith playstyle you like.
Well, what he says and what he wants is essentially FB—a boring, piece of crap that doesn't require you to think much.
little tulip
deathstalker's mark isn't executed particularly well though
spice surge
Is it bad when every spec has its own gameplay feature?
I really like DS becaus...
I dont think that is what he is saying at all
little tulip
it's st prio damage on a spec that dominates aoe cleave
spice surge
You can design the mark in a way that does not feel like shit
little tulip
i'd like a hidden opportunity take on deathstalker and a kir take on deathstalker ngl
golden loom
also I dont think deathstalkers mark was a thing in wotlk
spice surge
The difficult part shouldnt be moving the mark, it should be working down the stacks
To get the payoff
little tulip
there was some steroid assassin had in wotlk that was like deathstalker
coral ibex
i love the assertion that if you can move a mark there's no value to the mark
little tulip
it wasn't hunger for blood but i vaguely recall that being a thing
little tulip
i'd rather be able to mark multiple targets
runic hinge
fuck the mark, fuck ds, shit is terrible
little tulip
3-4-5
shrewd night
Leave the propaganda people to their antics, tony. We know the real truth 
blazing totem
Is it bad when every spec has its own gameplay feature?
I really like DS becaus...
the mark fantasy would have maybe worked, as you say, back in WOTLK - in modern WoW it presents multitude of problems, especially with how modern raids are designed
I get the sentiment, I really do, but there is currently no way you can reasonably defend Deathstalker's mark gimmick when there are issues like you being unable to re-mark if add despawns or you need to move targets due to mechanics but you cant because your old mark is still active - boom, now you play without hero talents. This is not a question of identity but of design and it blows. Blizzard in their infinite wisdom even doubled down on this by making Vanish no longer able to spread mark to someone else and only after major backlash they introduced the now new separate ability to move the mark, but this is only a bandaid solution
golden loom
unless you mean combo points being tied to the target?
blazing totem
if a hero talent needs bandaid soltuions like this, it's a bad design. Just remove it and do something else already
little tulip
yeah i'd rather have a cd that marks 5 targets and leaves a mark on your main or something when it expires
its literally stapling bad classic mechanics on to retail wow
and then not even babying them into something fun for 90% of the player base
rotund oak
Is it bad when every spec has its own gameplay feature?
I really like DS becaus...
assa identity is poisons,its not ''the mark''.DS is sub's identity
blazing totem
unless you mean combo points being tied to the target?
I touched on this before and it really feels like we are going backwards, they made CPs not target-bound but then they create DS that just inherits the same hurdles
little tulip
290 hitting 600k on first pull of pit of saron is fun
but some parties don't immediately grab the dreadpulse lich
deathstalker is literally just sitting in the no damage chair til that guy gets pulled etc
its bad
runic hinge
assa having single target cds is "thematic" but at least this expansion they gave dm a damage amp
cunning needle
I touched on this before and it really feels like we are going backwards, they m...
Vanilla - Combo points on player
Cata - Introduced redirect to move combo points to another target
Mop - introduced marked for death (assign 5 combo points to a target)
Wod - delete redirect and put combo points on the rogue BECAUSE COMBO POINTS ON THE TARGET WAS SO FUCKING RESTRICTIVE. MFD is now on the player
DF - delete Marked For Death because it was too jank for people or something and they didn't like how it played out
TWW - ADD BACK AN ABILITY CALLED "Deathstalkers Mark" WHICH ESSENTIALLY PUTS COMBO POINTS ON A TARGET
Midnight patch 0.5 - Add an ability TO REDIRECT THE DEATH STALKERS MARK. WE ARE NOW HERE
blazing totem
we truly went full circle
golden loom
Marked for death was kinda op in pvp aswell right
rotund oak
always was yeah
cunning needle
idk but who cares about pvp
runic hinge
yeah instant full cp kidey
fresh kelp
i cant wait for marked for marked for death that puts up 5 stacks of deathstalker's mark in tlt
rotund oak
very strong on demand dmg
dire flume
they should just turn deathstalkers mark into physical touch of the magi
golden loom
rogue indentity is pvp tho lets be real
little tulip
i like darkest night though ngl
dire flume
builds dam on the ST then big aoe pop
cunning needle
80% of our shit gets gutted because it's too OP for pvp
little tulip
that's some good skill expression but everything else in the kit seizes up while you setup for it
cunning needle
the other 20% is shroud
worldly carbon
is the ring set from nexus a good choice? I have both on myth and have simmed Eye of Midnight + Sin'dorei Band of Hope and it's slightly lower (technically sidegrade). What do you think the best rings overall would be?
rotund oak
just ban rogues from pvp
if i find u anywhere with open pvp ill gang u until u uninstall the game
respectfully
cunning needle
if i find u anywhere with open pvp ill gang u until u uninstall the game
i roll in bitch mode now
grave nova
If its the opener for a big pull like AA, is it ok to garrote garrote and then crimson instead of fok?
cunning needle
im too old and lazy to care about world pvp anymore
golden loom
is the ring set from nexus a good choice? I have both on myth and have simmed Ey...
yea u can use them, I use the ring set as pit ring / beloren ring sim the same
little tulip
so yeah let us replicate damage on multiple dsm targets and don't waste time trying to polish gritty classic logic
blazing totem
tbh I didn't mind it as much when Vanish still allowed you to create another Mark
this Mark move is just jank
golden loom
also idk when it was added but I know in cata atleast you could slice and dice a dead target (I guess you could redirect from the dead target aswell?)
blazing totem
just sucked it being tied to 2m vanish
little tulip
they kind of had a hidden opportunity version in tww with the differences between the zeross build and hybrid
two vanishes way more lenient
vs 1 vanish first try
cunning needle
honestly DM was an attempt to bring back to old assassination feel
they tried something
and they failed
good work for trying
but just take it out the back of the shed and shoot it
little tulip
yeah process it for good ideas/meats whatever and try again
cunning needle
something something sunk cost fallacy
golden loom
like so much could just be solved if garrote marks your target, even if you have a mark out already
but nope
make it a different spell
and worse
little tulip
i think they spent most of the time allotment on getting crimson tempest right
little tulip
which i mean no one's complaining about it
blazing totem
this also brings back the degeneracy of sniping low hp targets
little tulip
i'm certainly not
cunning needle
acutally nvm i know why theres a cost to redirect
little tulip
yeah i liked rupture sniping cause i can 1 deag ppl (1 deags for context)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiz4dhFtMLE
golden loom
acutally nvm i know why theres a cost to redirect
I mean the thing is, even if u could move the mark with garrote, IT WOULD HAVE BOTH A COST AND A COOLDOWN
little tulip
most people are just claw gripping the mouse for 30 minutes and again not denigrating, people be ballers and whatnot but they don't self start as well at lower io ratings etc
cunning needle
there is 0 chance youre catching me sniping low target mobs with how jank name plates are in midnight
cinder seal
the mark fantasy would have maybe worked, as you say, back in WOTLK - in modern ...
Well, I really like people who try to remove everything that's inconvenient.
Guys, a spec doesn't have to be perfect in every situation; it can be strong in one but worse in another.
Mobs dont depawn randomly.
You were given a mark replacer and you're still not happy.
golden loom
its inconvenient for the sake of being inconvenient, it doesnt feel rewarding or fun in anyway
little tulip
i think deathstalker was run in tww s2 and the advice was make someone else swap to barrels
you had to mouseover rupture stuff for scent of blood procs
golden loom
it was ran because it was better tuned and fatebound had its cringe rng of not having a guaranteed capstone and also reverse-funneling so it was dead in aoe
blazing totem
Well, I really like people who try to remove everything that's inconvenient.
Gu...
how dare we want something that is enjoyable to play
heck, bring back player-locked CPs for that classic feel while we are at it
golden loom
it wasnt ran because it was "fun" or "well designed"
little tulip
it just feels like the old subtlety design
where you black powder in 7 targets evis otherwise
there's no good reason for it that's just the momentum it had going into dragonflight
light quarry
how does the unshakeable drive stacks work exactly? how come we want to eat them at 3 when we only consume 2
or is first stack 150% 2nd 100% etc
golden loom
how does the unshakeable drive stacks work exactly? how come we want to eat them...
cause the stacks are weird
yeah
light quarry
golden loom
150% 100% 50%
light quarry
ye i get it now
cinder seal
its inconvenient for the sake of being inconvenient, it doesnt feel rewarding or...
As I said, each spec should have its own identity. If you don't like the playstyle for this spec, take another one. There is no need to adjust all specs to a stupid brain-roted 2-button rotation.
I realy have fun with mark replacing in TWW.
runic hinge
whats the identity other than target locked cringe mechanics?
golden loom
As I said, each spec should have its own identity. If you don't like the playsty...
I mean nothing changes rotationally with deathstalker, you are playing the exact same spec as you do with fatebound.
And if you want to go back to Wotlk again, assa is legit known as a very easy to play spec 
cinder seal
I really like the concept of being tied to a targe , dont unstd why it cringe.
golden loom
you still are though
marsh fjord
i said this last season as well they just should make deathstalker a own buff. and everything is solved.
golden loom
its not like fatebound assa is good at target swapping either
marsh fjord
Assa just is a shit spec to swap on
Remember loom?
we never swapped on loom either
little tulip
deathstalker scratches that itch of strategic thinking imo
bad out of the box feel great with addons
you need a good plater setup etc
marsh fjord
on single target bosses DS is kinda fun tho. esp last season where you solo shiv with a darknest night 30 seconds and you saw like a 20 million envenom.
which was really sick imo
golden loom
I mean not really its just a buff going down
spice surge
As I said, each spec should have its own identity. If you don't like the playsty...
Again, redesigning the mark in a way where it doesnt feel like shit to swap does not mean that the rotation will be braindead
light quarry
on single target bosses DS is kinda fun tho. esp last season where you solo shiv...
that shit was mega dopamine
going from 3rd to 1st with 1 ability
little tulip
i'd rather mark be active during a cooldown
golden loom
on single target bosses DS is kinda fun tho. esp last season where you solo shiv...
yeah I've also said that I loved stuff like DS on Mugzee purely cause of the big numbers
little tulip
instead of a constant through out a fight
golden loom
but then lets say you got stuck in a jail and you didnt have vanish, did that feel good
little tulip
right now it's just protect your mark and cleave
marsh fjord
yeah I've also said that I loved stuff like DS on Mugzee purely cause of the big...
yeah its just moving mark part is a issue and making it a self buff would fix that issue so you dont have to move it around anymore.
marsh fjord
that shit was mega dopamine
yeah was really fun
golden loom
but yeah if its a selfbuff then it also doesnt really have any theme
marsh fjord
but yeah if its a selfbuff then it also doesnt really have any theme
i mean its 2026
theme is so 2010 bro
Make it so when you have the buff you have like small shadow aura around you
there is your theme 😄
golden loom
yeah thats why they make fire bosses have green aoe circles on the ground right
marsh fjord
yeah thats why they make fire bosses have green aoe circles on the ground right ...
😄
no comment
😄
little tulip
there's a lot of that one scene in taxi driver in the playstyle
you're just kinda making sure you're not losing it/sending damage with it correctly
spice surge
Like the difficult part of the mark shouldnt be that its complicated to move it, it should be around having it proc at the correct times
gray raven
They should take the unholy route and make it a self buff
marsh fjord
Like the difficult part of the mark shouldnt be that its complicated to move it,...
Yeah i really agree.
gray raven
It’s just such a pita
marsh fjord
Its kinda fun to play a mini game where you have your darkest night up and then a add wave comes up.
so you can consume it properly.
golden loom
yeah I mean I liked playing around darkest night itself
the mark isnt interesting tho
marsh fjord
This is purely a guess but i feel like this is the same thing they were doing with covenants. just being ignorant and not willing to listen to feedback from the rogues
golden loom
for example rick reverb aoe shiv big DN if u had good barrel spawns 
marsh fjord
and they are gonna listen to us
when last titan hits
when its 2 expansions to late
marsh fjord
for example rick reverb aoe shiv big DN if u had good barrel spawns <:pog:459795...
yeah that was big
little tulip
nah crimsom tempest rework and yap about cloud cover imo
hopefully whoever cooked that one up gets more time on doing treatments for rogue and stuff
marsh fjord
what they done with CT is really a improvement. but i do feel like its a bit weird to have fok + CT.
little tulip
also they need to copy fellowship
and let one target hold more than one icon
when you mark it with X skull moon etc
vestal wren
Like the difficult part of the mark shouldnt be that its complicated to move it,...
I think it worked well on subtlety before, the reworks after felt like fixing problems introduced.
For assassiantion, thats difrent ofc.
cinder seal
So I still don't understand what specifically you don't like about DS. You're speaking in the abstract.
Is it really that hard to time the Darkest Night or the replacer to switch adds at the today moment?
little tulip
the dungeons this season are almost smooth but little stuff like that is definitely not great
well if blizzard felt it was safe to make it dominant rule of thumb spec they would have
i think they're having the same conversation about it tbh
vestal wren
I disslike how much low target cleave there is, when my prefered spec was changed to be bad on low target cleave
spice surge
So I still don't understand what specifically you don't like about DS. You're sp...
Theres no reason to time darkest night with anything as assa, so it doesnt matter when you proc it.
The mark requiring an additional button to move it when it could just be moved with garrote itself is very strange, the talents all seem disjointed and not coherent
vestal wren
The dungeon pool is fine, i am not extremely excited about one specific dungeon but neither of them is a absolute no go i hate playing
little tulip
dev evoker is literally gathering dust and moths in the corner cause aug is so good in keys is a hang up for me
spice surge
Like why is there a rupture damage increasing talent
Why is there a choice node between fok+ct damage and fok+ct damage
cunning needle
So I still don't understand what specifically you don't like about DS. You're sp...
because having a class identity of "not allowed to swap targets freely" is like saying someone having their identity having only one arm. Okay sure it's unique but it's not really a good thing
golden loom
the 2 best feeling deathstalker talents are legit the defensive node and the one that gives shadowstep CDR
spice surge
Why do hunt them down and singular focus stop working when you get the "payoff" of darkest night?
cunning needle
midnight s1 it's somewhat not bad because this dungeon pool has a lot of prio mobs
but then it's also kinda bad because nameplates are an abomination
spice surge
Why do we have a talent thats buffing mutilates, but its actually proccing a lot more in AoE, where you arent actually using mutilate
worn geyser
just copy platynator's aesthetic in plater
skip that step and just use platynator gg
analog field
So I still don't understand what specifically you don't like about DS. You're sp...
Don't you understand that it should be created in a way that doesn't fuck you up. Let's say araz If you didn't have DN up when adds spawned you would play the whole intermission with no mark. It is ridiculous
worn geyser
those 10 pvp players will love that advice
cinder seal
because having a class identity of "not allowed to swap targets freely" is like ...
so u dont like it because u need press button to switch instead free switch
golden loom
Don't you understand that it should be created in a way that doesn't fuck you up...
also if u had mark on an araz pillar when it died it dissapeared without giving you DN (I guess this would be fixed with how it currently works?)
marsh fjord
so u dont like it because u need press button to switch instead free switch
He is saying that.
its not about pressing a button its about that you are forced to press certain buttons BEFORE you can swap.
shy heron
I disslike how much low target cleave there is, when my prefered spec was change...
Yep, I'm sure I can figure out the why ("we need DPS to have niches") but I doubt I agree with it at all. Subtlety's 2-3 target didn't deserve to be thrown in the garbage the way it was
golden loom
Also could you imagine playing deathstalker on Dimensius
analog field
also if u had mark on an araz pillar when it died it dissapeared without giving ...
Yeah not sure how it actually works now, but it is really funny that we are discussing about mark. A thing which is not correctly implemented
marsh fjord
Also could you imagine playing deathstalker on Dimensius <:garf:1320173032743899...
Mark gone after intermission
RIPPERS
cunning needle
so u dont like it because u need press button to switch instead free switch
Yes. It is very clunky game design which does not fit with how fast paced the current modern era of wow is.
I'm reposting this but
Vanilla - Combo points on player
Cata - Introduced redirect to move combo points to another target
Mop - introduced marked for death (assign 5 combo points to a target)
Wod - delete redirect and put combo points on the rogue BECAUSE COMBO POINTS ON THE TARGET WAS SO FUCKING RESTRICTIVE. MFD is now on the player
DF - delete Marked For Death because it was too jank for people or something and they didn't like how it played out
TWW - ADD BACK AN ABILITY CALLED "Deathstalkers Mark" WHICH ESSENTIALLY PUTS COMBO POINTS ON A TARGET
Midnight patch 0.5 - Add an ability TO REDIRECT THE DEATH STALKERS MARK. WE ARE NOW HERE
We had this exact same thing before
and we've just gone full circle
analog field
so u dont like it because u need press button to switch instead free switch
So what happens if 5 adds spawn I use the button on one of them then this bugs and I don't have mark for the other adds?
little tulip
i don't wanna see percentages on friendly players what can i say
platynator needs to uP their game
cunning needle
DSM and CP on target is the exact same thing
golden loom
i don't wanna see percentages on friendly players what can i say
bro what the fuck is this
cunning needle
in how restrictive it makes the gameplay
analog field
bro what the fuck is this <:kekw:1217165081251414168>
hahahha I wanted to ask exactly the same
cunning needle
back in vanilla -> cata when youre only hitting a singular mob at a time
it's probably fine
but not in the current modern day of wow
little tulip
gouge is objectively as valuable as aoe blind
analog field
back in vanilla -> cata when youre only hitting a singular mob at a time
I was playing feral in sod and switching while having 7 cp and losing all cp
cunning needle
I was playing feral in sod and switching while having 7 cp and losing all cp
yeah it's just not fun gameplay. Again it's like saying "my identity is only having one arm" which okay sure you can base your entire identity around it
but it's not really that good to
a class can have a niche without being dogshit
like DKs
or warlocks
or mages
or ret paladins
golden loom
also assa already has the niche without hero talents
little tulip
i wanna like jundies but i dont need big blocks of color it don't do nothing for me
cunning needle
or what feels like almost every single other spec/class in wow atm
worn geyser
i just feel like ds should be working to enhance specifically our prio target burst not increase prio target damage in general, like the mark just doesnt thematically fit
golden loom
i wanna like jundies but i dont need big blocks of color it don't do nothing for...
wouldnt say they are that big
worn geyser
damn did u increase the dot icon sizes
golden loom
yeah I've done some cooking
little tulip
cunning needle
golden loom
damn did u increase the dot icon sizes
might also just look bigger as it was zoomed in
little tulip
nah i get why it's the dominant nameplate profile
worn geyser
might also just look bigger as it was zoomed in
too big for me but definitely dont look as insane this way
little tulip
it just doesn't help me play the game any better
there's a deadzone under the plates but it solves itself by having big nameplates to grab
like it's good just not for me
cinder seal
yeah it's just not fun gameplay. Again it's like saying "my identity is only hav...
still dont understan , man im played on araz and try dimensius in DS like 50-70pulls , i realy like it , You still haven't written specifically what part you don't like. I dont like fb realy \Brain rot.
golden loom
why did you not kill dimensius with it tho?
I checked earlier and legit not a single person (outside of boosts) killed dimensius as either deathstalker assa or sub
worn geyser
has anyone killed lura on DS yet, i could grief my parse and do that for fun
golden loom
has anyone killed lura on DS yet, i could grief my parse and do that for fun
well there are 6 assa logs so
cinder seal
just because numbers but not play style
fallow canopy
has anyone killed lura on DS yet, i could grief my parse and do that for fun
I think the pull count is destroying your sanity king
worn geyser
its not that much worse theoretically i could even still r1 on it
that would be funny
golden loom
play sudden demise DS
spice spire
cinder seal
play sudden demise DS
now im testing Negotiable Contract + Sudden Demise realy its fun
golden loom
you do you king
fallow canopy
Science has really gone too far
spice surge
Yes, but the fact that negotiable contract is its own talent is criminal
meager latch
might also just look bigger as it was zoomed in
What UI do you play for that. I like that a lot more than what I currently to have. lol
spice surge
Why is it not on finish the job
Or even avulsion (the rupture damage), or sudden demise
spare kayak
I checked earlier and legit not a single person (outside of boosts) killed dimen...
Fatebound felt so damn good with short cds
golden loom
What UI do you play for that. I like that a lot more than what I currently to ha...
base UI, only addon is sensei class resources for the combo points/energy bar
marble hemlock
never thought id get to use this meme again
meager latch
base UI, only addon is sensei class resources for the combo points/energy bar
Thank you!
marble hemlock
been almost 10years
spice surge
Bro perused the ancient archives
fallow canopy
The more things change
spice surge
Fok.. fok never changes
runic hinge
just because numbers but not play style
what is the difference in playstyle other than being even more target locked and forcing to 7 every 3rd finisher
oh, we're fok'ing in st that so not cringe
little tulip
some people buy deags on pistol round
worn geyser
shiv on 6 for DN envenom super dope good playstyle change probably
little tulip
it is what it ees
golden loom
some people buy deags on pistol round
I am some people
little tulip
nah like the best version of cs let t side buy usp on pistol rounds
so source/1.6 xp
the original p250/tec9/five seven tank strat
cinder seal
what is the difference in playstyle other than being even more target locked and...
you are rewarded with a big hit damage , like ppls say when TWW shiv +env was that was very fun.
runic hinge
thats not a difference in playstyle tho
you still maintain bleeds and mut mut envenom
and do some combo point overcapping for funsie wowie
spice spire
thats not a difference in playstyle tho
Silence feral main
spice spire
You may be right I’m just a hater
runic hinge
I can't let them win
spice spire
What about the DN copers
runic hinge
spice spire
(Darkest night)
fallow canopy
You need to cope DN
runic hinge
I've done 3 keys today
fallow canopy
(Not darkest night)
runic hinge
I'm doing charity work in these 12's
fallow canopy
I'm doing charity work in these 12's
Big cat dmg
spice spire
Big puss
fallow canopy
Haven't seen a feral in years
runic hinge
Feral is v fun tbh
I probably have done more feral keys in the past 2 seasons than rogue
rotund oak
I can't let them win
parrot dads are taken care of in this channel(photobomb us with ur boy,missed him)
lavish hazel
hello i tested ds in 22 dont play it have a good day
marsh fjord
hello i tested ds in 22 dont play it have a good day
But you tweeted that DS is back???
marsh fjord
Same
lavish hazel
as always
spice spire
Me when I lie for attention
fallow canopy
But you tweeted that DS is back???
He meant back in the bin (it never left)
jade abyss
Me when I lie for attention
When you want attention show us george !
shy heron
me when I go on the internet and lie 😈
golden loom
hello i tested ds in 22 dont play it have a good day
Did you have to fok 6 times in a row to darkest night on single target? 🙂
golden loom
Hell yeah thats what life is all about
lavish hazel
to do less than fb in single target / aoe
runic hinge
I'm gonna throw up
lavish hazel
ok maybe main target die quicker but you play with arms warrior right so who cares
its diying first anyway
golden loom
ok maybe main target die quicker but you play with arms warrior right so who car...
Atleast you did less aoe so the arms could funnel more, team player
runic hinge
you're just stealing his funnel
lavish hazel
but you do less single target
whos trolling now
fb doing 10% more st for me xd xd
ye idk dont play this garbage tree who is enjoying doing 15 fok to do 2 envenoms ff
lavish hazel
ye
or let us pick avulsion withouth droping anything essential
maybe the tree would be playable
idk
wooden jasper
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Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
clear knoll
What haste does DS like to sit at?
dusky granite
Do people just dislike Fatebound that Deathstalker rebounding?
plain thistle
no, people just dislike DS
dusky granite
no, people just dislike DS
Ah, makes sense, I hate myself, so I’m playing it
stiff shoal
Anyone can answer me which M+ rings are BIS? I have not Raid rings, so i need an alternative
pure moth
Anyone can answer me which M+ rings are BIS? I have not Raid rings, so i need an...
The 2 from nexus
stiff shoal
okay Ty 😄
grave nova
!fuu
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worn geyser
in this very cringe situation its gonna be better to just slam the DN asap and not hold for the apex to fall off right?
runic hinge
in that cringe situation id press n and respec
worn geyser
its cool to have an apex that wants me to hold my envenoms sometimes, then have a hero talent that i wanna slam them asap to get my mark back that is neat i think
runic hinge
I'd assume its always get the mark back up asap
you can let the apex proc after but hunt them down and stuff is just a ton of damage to wait on
deep latch
People still trying to cook with DS?
golden loom
yeah if you dont have mark you arent getting singular focus / hunt them down - also consuming dn gives a lil energy
worn geyser
you can let the apex proc after but hunt them down and stuff is just a ton of da...
ye I was thinking the same, just wasnt sure so figured id ask ty
golden loom
also if you dropped envenom you wouldnt have rapid injection for the DN
humble verge
atomic osprey
Do stat prio matter that much? I have 41% mastery on 272 ilvl
atomic osprey
Lol, mb
humble verge
nah nah i mean
you want high mastery but
how much mastery even is 41% as assa
i dont even know
atomic osprey
probably ilvl then
humble verge
yea i mean im 290
royal lantern
yea i mean im 290
ok dinosaur
humble verge
ok dinosaur
royal lantern
Do I play DS Sub or Assa tonight on crown
wdym with assa there
cus like
the fight is basically full ST
royal lantern
oh
worn geyser
whichever one u find more fun
royal lantern
bro
we are not in week 5 of the patch anymore
play what you can play better and think is fun lol
worn geyser
could even play law prolly if that was what u wanted
iron thorn
I just thought there’d be something like “assa plays weird in that phase” or something
Some nuance
strange onyx
Assa more execute damage, if u get through p3 you kill the boss
iron thorn
Now thats what I wanted to hear
royal lantern
I just thought there’d be something like “assa plays weird in that phase” or som...
assa makes you cuter
always
iron thorn
haughty flicker
astral sundial
Good evening. Maybe someone have the patience to explain to me, why people like Assa as keys goes higher? I feel like as sub I have more defensives and cheap shot is easily castable. Sims says dmg should be higher too, is that no true in practice? is there something else I am not thinking of?
normal mist
Good evening. Maybe someone have the patience to explain to me, why people like ...
things dont die instantly
assa can ramp up its dmg
haughty flicker
sub and outlaw are both played more in higher keys than assa anyway
astral sundial
assa can ramp up its dmg
How does it "ramp" damage? it just gets it's full potential, which is supposably not higher then sub.
modern moon
would it make sense to macro mark for death into envenom on DS?
normal mist
MFD exists?
haughty flicker
thats the button to move deathstalkers mark
jaunty sky
Not even real fish smh
normal mist
thats the button to move deathstalkers mark
oh it is actually called MFD?
worn geyser
would it make sense to macro mark for death into envenom on DS?
better to have on a mouse over
normal mist
How does it "ramp" damage? it just gets it's full potential, which is supposably...
imagine you bleed everything and are going to start envenom'ing (caustic spatter) but mobs are dead before your second envenom
thats what happens in low keys
worn geyser
the below is what i use
#showtooltip mark for death
/use [@mouseover, exists] Mark for Death; Mark for death
astral sundial
imagine you bleed everything and are going to start envenom'ing (caustic spatter...
Yes, but that's not what I am talking about. I am doing 19's now as sub and people keep asking me why I don't switch to assa - and I am trying to understand what the benfits are.
I get it that assa is not good in very low keys, I am asking what makes it better then other specs aat higher keys.
normal mist
All 3 specs are played at that level, not even i understand their question
probably not even they know
outlaw was actually reaching higher keys than assa iirc
astral sundial
Yes, but I am not going to play that 😛 - I need lots of time to learn it and gear for it if I ever bother.
haughty flicker
better prio is the reason you'd play assa in higher keys
normally you play sub or outlaw, but assa has very good prio if your comp needs it
or just bc
you know
you like assa
thats also a good reason
midnight mist
its always outlaw tho
doesnt count
it was outlaw in s3 tww and outlaw was prolly the worse spec in the game
haughty flicker
zac is built abnormally
normal mist
Zac has 3 arms and 1 leg
low silo
I feel like in a vacuum assa works better with fury than outlaw which 90% of warriors are fury
low silo
Yeah but having two target capped specs means you have to do different pulls for efficiency
Arms+law, Fury+sin is probably the most efficient, but obv they still work either way
snow kindle
Working better and having different pulls are not the same category when looking for what is better
worn geyser
fury is pretty good with sin, feels much better to run with imo than arms but I think @lavish hazel runs with arms
low silo
Working better and having different pulls are not the same category when looking...
That's why I said "in a vacuum"
worn geyser
my 20s are with FURY** but you can make alot work in those compared to 22s/23s , for example we have a holy priest lmao
snow kindle
That's why I said "in a vacuum"
Big ass vaccum
spare kayak
my 20s are with FURY** but you can make alot work in those compared to 22s/23s ,...
are you playing sin in every dungeon btw?
worn geyser
are you playing sin in every dungeon btw?
yeah i tried outlaw in a few 12s but me playing outlaw at 80% of the level i can play sin at is like not good
need more practice
royal lantern
it was outlaw in s3 tww and outlaw was prolly the worse spec in the game
allright jokes aside, is "omg giga highrolling for so much more dmg" even a thing for outlaw rn
royal lantern
"yes, just like all specs" or "yes, it can highroll bigger then other specs"?
worn geyser
i think yes, but i am also no outlaw expert, it looks like much higher variance from vods ive watched at least
royal lantern
thats why i asked zac, im kinda curious rn
worn geyser
like on good jackpot timings hes doing insane numbers
lavish hazel
fury is pretty good with sin, feels much better to run with imo than arms but I ...
i run with nobody
i run by my self
self made man here
royal lantern
solo m+ chad
just get that 5% dodge chance against all melee hits
who needs tanks
worn geyser
ah my bad then, I just saw a few keys, true chad
lavish hazel
i mean
it depends key i guess
on sr ye arms is ass or just painful to play with
on cavern you want to play with arms xd
infinit funnel
kindred oriole
So quick question, I'm sure it was answered 1B times: if we choose to play DS, should we reallocate some crit towards haste/mastery? Or both DS and FB can be played at high crit?
lavish hazel
but ye i guess fury is better with assa but i think in high keys you wnat outlaw arms
and outlaw canceling flurry for arms funnel
cause outlaw single target withouth funnel is really good
compared to assa
worn geyser
yeah, outlaw is in a good spot with current phys meta
spice surge
I thought the arms mostly swapped to slayer, in which case they dont need the funnel nearly as much? 
Or maybe the new buffs were strong idk
midnight mist
allright jokes aside, is "omg giga highrolling for so much more dmg" even a thin...
yes outlaw rng rn is idk
very wild
especially in keys
low silo
Some pulls I drop like 600k, others 250k
It's fun and frustrating at the same time
I thought I was bug abusing or some shit yesterday cause I hit 7 consecutive jackpots
But then I hit 10 doubles in a row and realized it was just the bones being the bones
humble verge
it took first official farm week @golden loom
golden loom
it took first official farm week <@267351433018474496> <:garf:132017303274389915...
classic
humble verge
i dont need to play assa
golden loom
i dont need to play assa
its fun tho
fresh kelp
it took first official farm week <@267351433018474496> <:garf:132017303274389915...
surely we do the giga st prepush strat soon as well 
grave nova
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glass moon
hey guys dont sure where to ask this BUT i am having troubles in my delves and prey stuff - what is a good spec to solo elites ? ?
glass moon
thanks @normal mist i will see what i can do with that spec
topaz dragon
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Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
sharp viper
finally crown dead
golden loom
finally crown dead
gzz
sharp viper
now i'm chilling while my guild starts beloren progress
copper thorn
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Without the Apex talent there is no reason to pool, once midnight drops this will update with whatever logic is found
normal mist
The logic: full send until you can't send anymore
copper thorn
i don’t have to worry about this whole “drop at 80 stacks” thing?
golden loom
i don’t have to worry about this whole “drop at 80 stacks” thing?
yeah you drop it at 80 if you will not overcap energy
so you drop it a lot of the time
strange onyx
New tier set:
2 piece: Your implacable can now stack above 80 stacks and extend its duration with 3 seconds every envenom.
4 piece: Every implacable stack above 80 increases wound poisons damage with 3
runic hinge
3
light quarry
3
strange onyx
We obviously don’t want it to ramp too high
latent kernel
Unironically better than the current tier set
spice surge
Thank you for your suggestion Skoop!
strange onyx
Cooked up a tier set or hero talent for Deathstalker aswell.
Finishing moves no longer consumes a stack of Deathstalker's mark. Instead it adds a stack of Deathstalker's mark. Every 4th stack of Deathstalker's mark added to the target grants you a Darkest Night
night delta
Finishing moves no longer consumes a stack of Deathstalker's mark. Instead it ad...
literally straight up a better reworked version of DS Mark
like, what
how's that so simple
light quarry
fan of knives now applies deathstalker's mark on all targets hit
CT now consumes a mark
fixet
night delta
honestly multiple marks being active
the cleave talents just gotta go some slight reworking is all
night delta
Imo the specificity of the "stick to your mark" mechanic is just plain problematic, what they attempted to fix it is just too clunky
and leads to degen
they can encourage keeping focus on a single specific target as a core mechanic without making it so harsh in edge cases
lavish peak
Ds is weird for assa because the specs major cooldown already fits the exact theme and niche of “pick a mob you want to mark for death”
Deathmark functions how deathstalker probably should, but it can’t because deathmarks already there
waxen oyster
Imo the specificity of the "stick to your mark" mechanic is just plain problemat...
assa has always stuck to a target
the dot playstyle makes it less capable of sudden target swaps as sub can
night delta
ik but now with bleed cleaving being easier than ever
waxen oyster
also spatter encourages focusing down a big target
night delta
the restriction feels more... well restrictive
night delta
I mean, we still spend 75% of our time outside of KB window
being still stuck like glue to one target even outside those CDs feel overly restrictive
waxen oyster
And honestly like, what situations exist where you are constantly swapping targets?
night delta
granted, it's maybe not the majority atm but that's definitely a possibility in encounter design
waxen oyster
?
Most of the time assa has been bad at "add spawns, kill it"
just because its a minimum 2 gcd commitment to bleed it up
even pre hero talents
Mob going immune and losing your mark was my singular gripe with DS in TWW.
latent kernel
Honestly would love for them to add a poison themed hero talent for assassination, we’ve had the same 4 poisons for like 10 xpacs now
night delta
Most of the time assa has been bad at "add spawns, kill it"
Us being bad at it shouldn't mean it's ok for hero talents to make us even worse at it
golden loom
I mean fatebound isnt good at target swapping either
waxen oyster
I mean assa has never been good at nuking adds that evaporate in 2-3 gcds
thats how the spec has always been
even without hero talents
honestly i'd go as far as to say
a dot spec shouldnt be
latent kernel
Should’ve just gave us another bleed or poison similar to wither for warlock and it would literally be better
balmy condor
Honestly would love for them to add a poison themed hero talent for assassinatio...
To be fair amplifying and atrophic were Dragonflight, numbing was added back more recently, dragon tempered to apply more was also Dragonflight
balmy condor
So like it’s not THAT old
night delta
I mean assa has never been good at nuking adds that evaporate in 2-3 gcds
Like, swapping often isn't a "puny adds that die in 3 gcds" exclusivity
waxen oyster
That's....usually 90% of the case.
latent kernel
So like it’s not THAT old
I started playing sin in dragonflight hehe
night delta
imagine the witch coven with TWW DS mark
night delta
that'd be fucking torture
waxen oyster
not really....
they lived longer than 3 gcds
unless you were doing a 5
pretty sure i just bled all 3 that one amirdrassil season
night delta
you were complaining about mark sticking on an immune mob just now
waxen oyster
we had wcm
waxen oyster
Yeah like i said
golden loom
a dot spec shouldnt be
unholy dk is bad at it for example
latent kernel
I mean they could quite literally just go look up “poison synonyms” or “rupture synonyms” and come up with a hero talent better than deathstalker lol
waxen oyster
unholy dk is bad at it for example
Pretty much
im honestly sick of assa being a poison themed sub
latent kernel
Add another dot to the mega dot class, guaranteed to have good reaction
waxen oyster
with dots
"big envs" is basically sub
but green
Dot specs have pretty much always needed ramp to do target swaps
And that's fine
night delta
I mean, it was never complaining about having to ramp our dots...
waxen oyster
Assa has always never been good at target swap
due to the ramp
let me throw an envenom on a no bleeds target
pre tww
XDDDD
night delta
this is literally running in circles
waxen oyster
You've failed to cite an example where it's a real issue outside of witch coven.
night delta
us being fundamentally not good at swapping, which is fine, is not an excuse for making a clunky ass mechanic that punishes that even further
waxen oyster
which i agreed losing mark to immunes is dumb
night delta
while also being bad in a few edge cases
waxen oyster
clunky how
waxen oyster
while also being bad in a few edge cases
Such as?
night delta
well cleave situations with moving priorities for starters
unless you have good timing lining up for swapping mark
the new button is a ok band-aid for such situations I guess
waxen oyster
The moving priorities usually isn't shorter than a mark cycle
night delta
but fundamentally, at baseline, it's just straight bad at it
waxen oyster
And typically you still need 2 globals to get your bleeds going on a new target
waxen oyster
You don't always run CT
I can't think of a single boss recently that it's been an issue
Outside of dumb mark disappearing if a mob flies away
night delta
clunky how
and clunky as in they had to add a band-aid solution for helping to move mark
even still at it was on a 6 sec cooldown with garrote
night delta
it's a future-proofing thing, because it's not a huge problem necessarily now doesn't mean it can't be a huge problem in other situations
waxen oyster
me when i make up stuff to be upset at
night delta
it's not about needing to move the mark every 6 sec
it's about having to move it at precisely the wrong time during the Darkest Night cycle
and losing investment into the previous target
waxen oyster
...so you're upset you have to think ahead
I've still yet to hear one legitimate encounter where this was problematic.
night delta
oh for heaven's sake I already told you it's not a now thing
night delta
whatever, if you say so
waxen oyster
Like is this about council bosses
add spawns have never been assa's strong suit so doesnt matter
waxen oyster
im ALWAYS upset
I will say the most annoying shit was having to plan to have DN going up on ansurek.
But thats a fault of just losing mark if a mob goes immune.
fallow canopy
personally it took longer for me to remember silken court timings
waxen oyster
You see i'd remember that more.
But typically i was more annoyed at our plate dps being terrorists.
on average
royal lantern
I will say the most annoying shit was having to plan to have DN going up on ansu...
mah
DN on queens court
was legit cancer
golden loom
I've still yet to hear one legitimate encounter where this was problematic.
dimensius and nexus king
waxen oyster
bro DN was nothing compared to the affix
of a monkey warrior charging through
and exploding both of you
fallow canopy
dimensius and nexus king <:garf:1320173032743899157>
idk anyone who played DS on those 2
golden loom
yeah but I am making up the scenario where it was playable
fallow canopy
oh
golden loom
then it wouldve been bad
waxen oyster
man
fallow canopy
yea that would be terrible
fallow canopy
still remember one guy that mentioned he had the perfect rotation for bugging it favorably
so you always get the extra cdr
waxen oyster
i also remember
losing my pad on dimmy add set on pull
because my opener rupture got parried
😠
fallow canopy
because my opener rupture got parried
thematic
golden loom
the rank 1 I got on fract was a chill 200k dps ahead of rank 2 at the time
fallow canopy
how would you bleed a gigantic void lord with no blood smh
golden loom
just fkin bug bro
golden loom
bugged out so I got 2 cd sets in execute
waxen oyster
yeah
nothing will top final dm set
on mugzee or gally though
holding that 2nd pot for the dm while spattering goon cages
golden loom
on mugzee or gally though
even our prog kill of gally was fast and it didnt slow after that
I loved checking logs and seeing people 1b ahead in spatter dam
marsh fjord
You know what the bug also did for me?
waxen oyster
fyi
marsh fjord
Prism was a lovely trinket better then shitbox
waxen oyster
i dont pay attention to it
marsh fjord
i dont pay attention to it
I can show you a screenshot where one opener did 200k and other opener did 130k because of having good procs
waxen oyster
i should run plume for the bit
oh im full sent into rng
especially since velf rn
analog field
All passive trinkets have this issue
Also the floodgate one
literally all of them
golden loom
pacemaker my goat
analog field
in a minute it had 30 sec off and 30 on
so if you send cd's when it is off
you lose dmg
fresh kelp
ye but it was deterministic
golden loom
antenna cringe, pacemaker based
fresh kelp
it would proc for 30s every minute
marsh fjord
Its just crazy to me
analog field
yeah but it is rng if it procs with your cd's
fresh kelp
exactly at the minute mark
marsh fjord
that you can do 75k more DPS in a opener
golden loom
m+ is a minigame
fresh kelp
i mean if you had downtime it was more likely to proc with cds
since you would restart the clock running between packs
marsh fjord
Like is it me? or why does such variance exist on trinkets???
fresh kelp
Like is it me? or why does such variance exist on trinkets???
gambling psychology
analog field
it is so they are balanced otherwise you will proc it 100 times and I will proc it 1
fresh kelp
same reason the vault exists
fresh kelp
the goat will always be ominous chromatic essence
marsh fjord
Imagine i played perfectly entire fight. oh but got fucked over by RNG because of trinket. yeah might be a good parse. but could be a rank 1
fresh kelp
perma uptime select the stat you want
golden loom
Like is it me? or why does such variance exist on trinkets???
hand of justice in classic
marsh fjord
hand of justice in classic <:garf:1320173032743899157>
that was 2004
or 6
cant remember
was 2004
2%
PROC CHANCE
GIVE THAT TO ME
golden loom
that was 2004
yeah my point was just that rng trinkets have been a part of the game since the start
marsh fjord
This might be a cooked take but i think i rather play 2 on use then have a passive with bariance.
marsh fjord
yeah my point was just that rng trinkets have been a part of the game since the ...
yeah
analog field
yeah my point was just that rng trinkets have been a part of the game since the ...
but they had 1 and 2%
marsh fjord
i just dont like it.
analog field
then they made them ppm
golden loom
golden loom
where is the skill in crits
calm grail
Alright so I have a question. It's m+ or whatever. You have an improved garrote out. Do you let it run out before refreshing/spreading? Or do you refresh it with a few seconds left and then spread?
marsh fjord
Alright so I have a question. It's m+ or whatever. You have an improved garrote ...
yes
You let is run out all the way
Dont even pandamic it
calm grail
So your pull having no garrote for a bit is fine as long as you refresh right after?
marsh fjord
Nah but i would rather have 2 ticks
calm grail
Okay
marsh fjord
then not 2 ticks
analog field
in a big pull you probably should pandemic it on a shitter
golden loom
golden loom
the improved garrote will tick down fully on some mobs atleast
analog field
ideally you want your main target to have the imp till the end
but realistically who cares
analog field
yeah sometimes you need to go out so you refresh it etc
dreamy quail
w
thorn thorn
sweet ledge
sooo hows this new deathstalker buff? worth trying in 18+ keys ?
coral ibex
pins
storm forum
If you don't have an aug and can coordinate with the other prio specs in ur key, maybe
storm forum
25/25?
golden loom
not even 99
my rank 2 was a 98
coral ibex
im never gonna reclear 
i might not even kill lura
hope 2 days is enough to prog p3 and p4
golden loom
p1 wipe factory
sweet ledge
so i remember in his video on DS he said we fok in single target for a buff at 3 stacks then mutilate, but im not seeing that in the wowhead guide, is this a thing still orno
trim cairn
POV joining a "first 4 bosses" voidspire mythic pug
This raid lead gonna have a bad day after imperator
normal mist
so i remember in his video on DS he said we fok in single target for a buff at 3...
The video is after the patch notes, so the video is more accurate i believe
sweet ledge
sweet thanks bro
balmy condor
so i remember in his video on DS he said we fok in single target for a buff at 3...
It’s in the extra notes/tooltips for st deathstalker on the rotation page
snow kindle
if im pugging is sin just better for push keys
also how ass would it be to run double passive plume/gaze over box. Feelcraft makes me believe it evens out 
calm grail
Is anyone swapping for keys though really?
marsh fjord
hope 2 days is enough to prog p3 and p4
you got other 8 weeks or so? or are you not talking about getting CE?
coral ibex
got final fantasy ultimate prog starting next week
marsh fjord
ahh
dreamy dust
I have now looked at wowhead and hit 240 ilevel, I'm ready to get carried through M+ by my friends and spend bonus rolls
Lol
balmy condor
Based
buoyant herald
Quite a fun time I reckon if you have friends
haughty flicker
spice spire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106266712573218856/1509151872928317481/5...
God bless
snow kindle
Is anyone swapping for keys though really?
yea i play all 3 just dunno which is considered the better of the 3 or most consistent for pugging
drifting cloud
balmy condor
no
buoyant herald
Can’t have nice things
worn geyser
haughty flicker
cunning needle
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time to wipe in p1 for another hour
wooden jasper
When is it worth to shuriken storm on deadstalker?
deathstalker?
when theres adds
and the passive of 100% crit is out
supple cloud
does anyone else have a bug that deathstalker for sin is doing less dmg than fb?
fresh kelp
Whispyr I didn’t know you played Diablo 4, what class is your jam? Do you play rogue there also?
spice surge
does anyone else have a bug that deathstalker for sin is doing less dmg than...
Why would that be a bug
balmy condor
Whispyr I didn’t know you played Diablo 4, what class is your jam? Do you play r...
Barb/Paladin
trim cairn
Why would that be a bug
Deathstalker is *supposed * to do less than fb in aoe?
storm forum
DS does less everything except prio and funnel
in big AoE they might pull ahead though
but big hero pulls arent rly supported in the dslice sims cause the average player isnt doing those
and you need to be doing a high enough key that a target actually survives the funnel
keen raven
I mean based on the #s whispyr shared that isn't true
Unfortunately I haven't been able to really test yet
worn geyser
time to wipe in p1 for another hour
cunning needle
onyx veldt
When is it worth to shuriken storm on deadstalker?
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