assassination

[latent kernel]

I mean at least the video thumbnail is kinda tuff

[flint siren]

tuff aislop

[grave nova]

ai probably lmao

[latent kernel]

You can barely tell it’s AI slop

[severe meadow]

85% AI art

Tiny font words

chat, is this tough

[grave nova]

thank you all for the criticism

im swapping over to sin for the sake of my groups damage profile

[flint siren]

love it when my game videos don't look like the game at all

[severe meadow]

fan of the lil guy at the end there

[flint siren]

ai thumbnails for dungeon guides are so funny also. didn't know we had 40k and mordor dungeons this season

[plain edge]

He didn’t even know how the last boss of Windrunner works in his +18 run

[balmy condor]

[latent kernel]

I wish we could go back to the era of MS Paint drawings for thumbnail

That shi was funny

[pulsar ether]

when do we use shiv?

[severe meadow]

you don't unless you're playing DS

and then you force 6 cp to 7

for dn

[pulsar ether]

and you still deathmark before kingsbane?

[gritty laurel]

Yeah

[waxen belfry]

Is it worth doing a 7cp rupture?

Or do I just go at 5 cp

Same with envenom

[severe meadow]

Finishers are 5+ cp

So nah

[cedar ocean]

you know what

[latent kernel]

Situational for enrage dispel

[cedar ocean]

ive been pressing KB before DM this whole time. have i been missing a shit ton of stacks of KB from the apex

[latent kernel]

Or for improved crippling poison

I’ve used it on first boss of seat for the slimes

It’s a huge movement speed reduction

[waxen belfry]

Tyvm

So is it even worth getting the talent that gives you 7cp

[severe meadow]

yes

[waxen belfry]

Oh ok

[severe meadow]

it helps reduce waste

[waxen belfry]

Oh from overcapping

[severe meadow]

ye

[waxen belfry]

Tyvm

[coral pivot]

Also just straight up increases damage of spenders

Which would be rupture and envenom

And for some reason also crimson tempest because Blizzard didn't change that part

[severe meadow]

Shh..

It'll randomly get fixed in 2 years or so

[coral pivot]

Pretty doubtful on that

Have you seen the list of things that affect Crimson Tempest?

[severe meadow]

[coral pivot]

That would take an intern like 80 days to read through and fix

That's a lot of wasted money when you can send out a new recoloured mount of make housing assets

It's so wild to play the PvP assa build because you have 0 energy regen

But then you hit envenom and enemy die

[severe meadow]

My brain is too small and smooth for PvP

[coral pivot]

I am not that good at it either

I legit just hit the vibe kidney shots

You get out some kidney shots, then you line up with CDs + bomb and enemy go die

[iron thorn]

paladins dead

now alleria prison

[lone pasture]

[crystal hare]

on AA first pull specifically, do we still follow the normal opener or do we spread dots first due to how long it takes to dot up all the mobs?

feels like my burst ends before I spread to most mobs

[balmy condor]

you can hit ct a couple times for scent stacks before hitting cds if they're alive long enough

not sure if that's what you mean

[plain thistle]

oh no, getting flashbacks

[severe meadow]

It's crazy to me how many people ask about the first pull in AA xd

[iron thorn]

just vibe it

[severe meadow]

Just don't spam only CT :^)

[jovial cradle]

You should see how many times people ask about BTE resets in outlaw chat

[severe meadow]

Hey what's a BTE reset

[jovial cradle]

Nonono… its always “when i get a bte reset” do i just click it again at 5cp or build to 6-7cp again?

And everytime i see it i always mention 6 7 out of spite

[balmy condor]

6 7?

[jovial cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/tung-tung-tung-sahur-67-67-meme-fortnite-emote-gif-13299458995536216312

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/rem-deadlock-kick-gif-13995019923797295321

[jovial cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-mina-deadlock-truth-true-gif-2362261912995738040

I see u have taste

[balmy condor]

in gifs yeh

I've never played deadlock though

[jovial cradle]

Thats a good thing

[balmy condor]

I just watch my friends play it sometimes

good second monitor vibe watching

[jovial cradle]

But being a gif connoisseur… its in my code

[jovial cradle]

Ok but this is real

I am delegated as the second monitor content provider in my groups

[waxen belfry]

Mobs die way too fast in anything less than mythic 10s

XD

[jovial cradle]

They die too fast in 12’s

[iron thorn]

less than 16

[balmy condor]

yeh was about to say

it's like 17's now

[jovial cradle]

Honestly yeah

[balmy condor]

the gear power creep this season

is quite something

[waxen belfry]

I haven't even gotten past 12s, no one wants ass rogue

[jovial cradle]

Another reason to hate arcane mage 😼 (its so bad ill cope in the rogue disc)

[waxen belfry]

People pick me instantly on my uhdk

[jovial cradle]

Well yeah its meta (and dk dps has been meta for years now…)

Make Rogue Great Again, saying i miss BFA is wild thats how bad its gotten for us

[balmy condor]

rogue is good though

[jovial cradle]

It actually is i would agree, looked bleak at the start of the expac tho

[balmy condor]

like by all metrics, all 3 rogue specs are really good

[jovial cradle]

The issue is they dont let us be good for RWF aside from sub primarily

[balmy condor]

you can play all 3 on mythic end bosses, they're all doing really good in m+

[jovial cradle]

Like they didnt even bring a rogue at all for most bosses this race

[balmy condor]

they didn't bring melee

[jovial cradle]

Well yeah thats true

[severe meadow]

melee is hot ass this tier

Paladins and melee

[balmy condor]

when you're bringing 3 melee spots and you're bringing dk's for grips or a ret paladin for the externals

then ya know

[jovial cradle]

Hey and enhance!!!

[balmy condor]

not really a rogue issue

[jovial cradle]

Rogue just needs some form of utility or raid buff thats ACTUALLY impactful

[severe meadow]

But we bring crazy DR!!

[marsh fjord]

you undervalue how strong 3.6% DR is

[jovial cradle]

Like hunter’s mark got such an insane overhaul, while also being a lust class

[marsh fjord]

and i will die on that hill.

[severe meadow]

yeah we need the DR when we're 20 ilvls higher

[jovial cradle]

Its so good that they went without it in race, where its at its most impactful

Like dude rogue hatred is targeted

They literally took away aoe blind at the expac drop 😭

[marsh fjord]

I mean, Max talked a bit about it and was considering it.

bring the DR to 10%

EZ

[jovial cradle]

Yeah but “considering” its not a MUST

[iron thorn]

no no tell the whole story @jovial cradle they hotfixed it out and told us a week later we're getting it back in a patch

[jovial cradle]

like AI, Mark, Druid mark, etc etc

[iron thorn]

as if they couldnt hotfix it back in

[jovial cradle]

Right 😭😭😭

[balmy condor]

they didn't actually hotfix it out

but okay

[jovial cradle]

And they wonder why rogue is the 2nd least played class

[fleet whale]

they are going to give rogue a tank spec in TLT to help increase the player count

[jovial cradle]

Incredibly difficult in comparison to every class
brings nothing impactful in terms of buffs and and utility
can only dps so if the dps specs arent top tier there is literally no reason to bring them

[iron thorn]

nah i'm sure they did, no?

like it wasnt intended

they removed it with a weekly maintenance

and then told us we'd get it back with .5 later

[balmy condor]

they took it out in alpha, didn't change the tooltip, we thought it was a bug, then they changed the tooltip wording in beta to confirm the change, expansion went live with it like that

[jovial cradle]

Yeah thats what i remember

At the end of the day, questionable asf

Our only aoe stop, and blind is laughably pathetic as a stop and they decide to take it from us

[balmy condor]

yeh like it wasn't the cleanest change

but it wasn't like they just hotfixed it out randomly

there was plenty of leeway

we saw it coming from a mile away

[fleet whale]

And if were talking about rouge utility, they should give rogues a crit amp buff
that will suffice and it fits the class thematically

[iron thorn]

yooo rogue gets dwarf racial

[golden loom]

Remove raid buffs

[fleet whale]

blizz tried in legion i think

[golden loom]

Stack 5 mages idc

[fleet whale]

but people cried

[severe meadow]

Bring back Expose Armor

[golden loom]

Real

Bring back useful debuffs u have to press

Curse of reck, farie fire, IEA

[jovial cradle]

I still think sub and sin should be merged and make a new spec that is either a ranged dps (arcane trickster) or make a debuff spec that acts functionally like aug

[jovial cradle]

People hated this because what it means is someone is tasked with the bitch work while someone else gets to parse

Very famous talking point in classic raiding

[golden loom]

I know I played iea rogue

[jovial cradle]

Me too :3

[golden loom]

Even then I do think it is more interesting than "I hit the mob so now it takes 5% more phys dam"

[severe meadow]

parsing in wotlk was fun tho ngl

[jovial cradle]

I mean yeah i agree, the issue is wow’s system heavily encourages uptime, like degenerate levels of uptime

So that kind of stuff gets scoffed at due to that gameplay loop

[jovial cradle]

Sadly i agree

[golden loom]

Depends, in the modern game you have all these gcd capped specs anyways

Might aswell make them press a utility global

[fleet whale]

even assassin is quite fast these days

[jovial cradle]

I think making more abilities off gcd would make things interesting

Like u could turn FF, expose, etc into non gcd abilities

[iron thorn]

do i torture myself and play DS Sub on alleria?

[jovial cradle]

That would solve the issue and reintroduce it

[iron thorn]

or do i just vibe it out as assa

[jovial cradle]

Play fatebound outlaw

[severe meadow]

Bring me back..

[jovial cradle]

Yo jay did you ever do the felstriker build in the faerlina room?

Or general vezax if ur guild was elite gamers

[severe meadow]

I can't remember if I did or not

I just remember using that stupid int dagger for better aoe

[iron thorn]

that wrath or vanilla nax?

[golden loom]

But yeah I raided for 6 months on classic and still had dalrend cause not a single weapon dropped

[jovial cradle]

Yeah thats the build

[golden loom]

That seems go be wrath cause sartherion is in the pic

[jovial cradle]

But there were two daggers, rod from TK, and felstriker from BRD

[severe meadow]

wrath

[jovial cradle]

or maybe it was ubrs

[golden loom]

Felstriker is from ubrs

[iron thorn]

true thanks, makes sense

[jovial cradle]

And it made FOK go fucking nuts if u specced into it

You could easily break 100k on aoe pulls which for rogue at that time was like, unheard of. Most classes couldnt even dream of that either tbf

[golden loom]

Vanilla iea was dogshit to play cause you sent it like 3 globals in advance incase it got dodged

[severe meadow]

I never had to be iea bitch thankfully

[iron thorn]

wasnt vanilla iea basically irrelevant because sunder?

[golden loom]

No its 5% more dps than sunder

Thats why its a thing

[severe meadow]

I didn't realize it had so many fucking parses

[iron thorn]

my bad

[jovial cradle]

Sin was literally the second best dps in naxx

Ofc after UH

[iron thorn]

the fact UH played dw in wrath classic

[jovial cradle]

Also i thought sunder was preferred because it was a threat generator

[iron thorn]

will never make sense to me

[balmy condor]

y'all cannot be abbreviating unholy like that around me

[golden loom]

Ye I was new to the game, it was hardcore and I thought might aswell experience the raids so I said im fine doing it

[severe meadow]

Missed when Blood was a DPS spec

[fleet whale]

well, in the original wotlk most unholy DKs still used two handers

cause the dual wield thing wasn't widely known

[jovial cradle]

No u dont…

[severe meadow]

I dont just saying they missed out on that xd

[iron thorn]

thats why i said wrath classic, no?

[jovial cradle]

Its true but omg the blood players in icc were so insufferable

[golden loom]

Tanks just spam battleshout instead, or on horde they spam rend

[fleet whale]

I knew what you meant, I was just pointing out how all of these things are discovered due to people just being much better at TCing these days

[severe meadow]

ye, I don't think that dagger aoe tech was found until wrath remake

[jovial cradle]

Ye it wasnt a thing in og wrath

I think its due to the talents not being the same on release too

[fleet whale]

well, fok was key in the world first Yogg 0 kill

so it was known to a certain degree

[jovial cradle]

This build would not have been used in yogg i dont think

Considering it was using a level 58 dagger and a level 70 one

[fleet whale]

idk, i just know the improved fok talent was big in getting that yogg 0 kill

[severe meadow]

nah we're talking about using an int dagger

[jovial cradle]

Yeah but i think thats why it wasnt a thing during og wrath naxx

[severe meadow]

or sword? I just remember it being op because of the speed on it

[jovial cradle]

Because classic talents on launch are not the same as oh launch’s

[golden loom]

Ye its just using crit + the talent that gave enery on crits and spellblade/felstriker boom bam spam fok

[jovial cradle]

It was 2 daggers

[golden loom]

Ye it was a dagger but giga slow

[severe meadow]

yeah

[golden loom]

And fok had bonus damage for daggers ofc

[jovial cradle]

It was spell blade IF u didnt have rod of the sun king

[golden loom]

(all info I have is from watching my goat simonize, I didnt play wotlk)

[jovial cradle]

Cuz u couldnt solo TK to get that

[severe meadow]

yeah I had spell blade

our other rogue had rod

[jovial cradle]

So it was rod and felstriker

Yeah i never got rod either because my guild stunk and wouldnt run tk with me

[severe meadow]

this bad boy

2.5 speed dagger is crazy

[jovial cradle]

Also the int wasnt a part of the dps, it was the speed that increased instant proc chances

P sure that was said tho

[severe meadow]

yeah I just call it an int dagger

[golden loom]

I do like wonky stuff like that were old stuff is relevant, except when I now played tbc classic and realized I kinda should get badge of the swarmguard on my warrior

[jovial cradle]

I mean yeah fair

[severe meadow]

which it doesn't even have int on it

just spellpower

[jovial cradle]

Which actually did something for us

Poison damage

[severe meadow]

poison damage stonks

[jovial cradle]

Bro fuck

I dont miss needing 17% spell hit as a rogue LMAO

[severe meadow]

like Druids using that one helm

for feral

[golden loom]

That made it all possible

[austere radish]

Anyone have a video of sin rogue rotation? I’m dumb and sucked at keys today

[golden loom]

This is the talent

[golden loom]

Spell power did nothing for rogue, atleast in classic, the spellpower for poisons was a private server thing

[iron thorn]

i'll never forget how in patch 1.2 of wow (wonder on what occasion played that) the rogue t0 boots had int on em

[golden loom]

Wolfshead helm

[iron thorn]

because itemisation was just not a thing back then

[jovial cradle]

Fuck ur right i misremembered that

[severe meadow]

yeah but now we just slam w/e has the highest ilvl

just boring

[golden loom]

Did you happen to log any key you did?

[severe meadow]

I don't even know the name of my fucking tier rn

xd

[jovial cradle]

I miss when int wasnt useful as a melee player

[austere radish]

Hmm. I have this? https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-mn-1/30008208-12-maisara-caverns

[golden loom]

Yeah items in retail (outside of trinkets) are 100% forgettable

[iron thorn]

bro i know warrior pre raid bis off the top of my head

like all of the items

[austere radish]

Sorry lowkey a noob. I haven’t done a lot of log stuff

[iron thorn]

that doesn't help much

[golden loom]

Totally fair, but yeah only thing I can see there is ur 2 trinkets

Puzzlebox good, the other bad

So that is one thing u can fix asap 😄

[severe meadow]

got the name, got his warcraft logs now

https://tenor.com/view/laptop-hacking-hacker-cat-gif-5423768830271062600

[austere radish]

Ah, sorry. I’ll try doing logs in the future

[iron thorn]

i was about to type that

[severe meadow]

holy cook

[austere radish]

Ahh feather isn’t great?

[lyric sierra]

is the wowhead sudden demise build no longer useful in lower keys like 10+ or am i blind and can no longer find it on wowhead?

[golden loom]

You only want to play 1 active - and then a passive, which is either gaze/plume/some other m+ trinket or the renown trinket from voidstorm

[iron thorn]

holy shit the key was actually logged

[severe meadow]

@balmy condor

wake up

[golden loom]

Ye its kinda bad but the very bad part is double active

[balmy condor]

what am I waking up

[severe meadow]

16 poisoned knives

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

[iron thorn]

little 1 on 1 assa sesh for our bro

[severe meadow]

ohw ait it's 23

[balmy condor]

bro wants to play a hunter so bad

[severe meadow]

We got some work to do my friend

[iron thorn]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps @austere radish go ahead and read this

in its entirety

[severe meadow]

Bexause 268 FoK casts is BANANAS

[iron thorn]

i'll be back in 10

then we can talk

[latent kernel]

Genuinely what is this damage breakdown

Is this shit posting

Why are you posting logs from the only flying daggers connoisseur

[austere radish]

I’m sorry😭 I’m trying to find resources to learn

[severe meadow]

I mean in theory for a new player, spamming aoe ability might seem good I guess

But there's a lot to like

fix here

[iron thorn]

No no

What might be the first thing as a new player is giving obr a chance

That is legit 100% just pressing buttons in random order

[golden loom]

Asking for advice is already more than 90% of people are willing to do so dont just flame the casts

[severe meadow]

ye if you have any questions, feel free

[austere radish]

I stg I’m not shitposting, I’m so sorry I’m trying to find a rotation that works. Bc when there’s a lot of targets I do fan of knives and crimson tempest to spread bleeds, right?? And it build up my dots??

[severe meadow]

Fan doesn't spread bleeds, only CT does

But you'd want to get your bleeds on your main target, and then CT until 5cp and envenom, do more CTs until all of your targets have bleed

[balmy condor]

I would answer but I'm doing charity work atm

[iron thorn]

Whatafaak

[austere radish]

So like the main target, hit with things like kingsbane and mark and then CT until I can get at least 5 towards envenom? Does that sound right?

[buoyant herald]

crikey

[iron thorn]

Mate go read the guide

Come back with questions after pls

[austere radish]

Am I not supposed to be throwing knives when I’m far away? Like I get pushed back?😭

[iron thorn]

Like 95-100% of your questions will be answered

[severe meadow]

Nah, take that button off your bar

[golden loom]

Its a button you can unbind, not worth the energy cost

[austere radish]

Okay, okay, I’ll read🫡 thank y’all for your patience

[buoyant herald]

throwing knives is for tagging that boss who flies around when you're farming battle for mt hyjal

[golden loom]

The rotation section is a good place to start 🙂 but yeah the spec is a builder spender where stuff like fan of knives isnt the main damage, you build with it and then spend on envenom

[balmy condor]

we just doin 10's for some crests atm

[golden loom]

And then maintaining rupture/garrote on all targets (in single target by casting them on the target, in aoe by spreading it from that target to others with crimson tempest)

[balmy condor]

all g

I genuinely enjoy queueing into shitter keys and carrying people

its a vibe

and they're usually very nice in the lower keys

[lone pasture]

boy do i have some alts for u

[dreamy dust]

Anyone know a good addon to keep better track of combo points? Having it next to my frame isn't ideal it seems

[balmy condor]

higher keys are just toxic as hell

[balmy condor]

I use sensei's class resource

can use wangbar, that's a common one

[dreamy dust]

Okay ty!

[iron thorn]

I wanna be that rogue

[golden loom]

We were heading into 3rd boss windrunner and I got out-voted on the abandon...

[iron thorn]

But no I tank those keys

[balmy condor]

tuff

[ember condor]

blizzard personal resource display 👉🏻 👈🏻

[golden loom]

I swear it was timeable aswell..

[dreamy dust]

Oh also doesn't seem like base blizzard cooldown manager doesn't track how many garrote and ruptures you have, unless I'm just dumb, is there something for that too?

[balmy condor]

there is not something for that

it's not really needed either

[dreamy dust]

Fair

[golden loom]

Surely u can do last 2 bosses in 10 min

[dreamy dust]

Yeah I'm experimenting with assassination rogue atm since I haven't played it before and haven't been feeling my other dps specs currently so still working on setting everything up and figuring out rotation

[balmy condor]

maintain bleeds spam envenom

[golden loom]

The only time I have read "wow that gear" is in 10s tho and that was instant dopamine

[balmy condor]

yeah not much hope for that these days considering you can afk 10's until 290

[iron thorn]

i have just this to show for myself @balmy condor

[royal lantern]

you dont wang your bar?

[balmy condor]

that's brutal

[iron thorn]

but i feel like top dps as tank in a +9

also sick

[balmy condor]

nah

[dreamy dust]

I'm assuming you try and get bleeds on everything but it's not a big deal if you miss a couple, or?

[iron thorn]

defo CT until every mob has bleeds

[buoyant herald]

Getting bleeds on everything is important

But spend envenoms in between ie don’t cap cps

[dreamy dust]

Yep

If you're like one or two combo points off and will overcap do you envenom or hit cap?

[golden loom]

You spend on 5+

[severe meadow]

You envenom at 5cp+

[dreamy dust]

Okay thanks!

[severe meadow]

if you're at 4, hit CT

[iron thorn]

today is the day of asking questions before reading wowhead

not trying to be the unfun guy

but that guide is very good

[dreamy dust]

I read the FAQ and didn't see it there okay :(

Maybe I'm blind though

[balmy condor]

the FaQ is not a guide

that's why it's an FaQ

[dreamy dust]

Didn't read wowhead yet though, I just know last time I did it was overwhelming for rogue

That's fiar

fair

It did look like it had a rotation guide in it is all

[buoyant herald]

Wowhead has quick guides now too

Would recommend

[dreamy dust]

Yeah I think I tend to overprep before actually putting it into practice which is a bit overwhelming so I decided to try it out first and then go from there

[iron thorn]

always overprep in wow

[dreamy dust]

Probably ready to read it then if it has more information than the FAQ does

[iron thorn]

only way you casn shittalk others for not knowing stuff

[dreamy dust]

I just thought it would have pretty similiar amounts

Lol

[golden loom]

Dont worry its easy to remeber, assa spends on 5+ unless its deathstalker with darkest night then you spend on 7, outlaw spends on 6 but sometimes on 5 and sub spends on 6 but sometimes you are at 7 combo points and still use a builder

[dreamy dust]

Yeah

Ty

[iron thorn]

the sometimes on 5 for law is legit ONLY ks tho, right?

[golden loom]

Fatebound dispatch also I think

[iron thorn]

i stg i finished on 5 so much tonight because its just muscle memory from assa

[iron thorn]

oh true, but fatebound

i'm gonna be a cloud coverer forever

even if i have to press that goddamn button for it

[dreamy dust]

Currently just working towards max level still, decided to try the calamitous delve farm but Valeera keeps killing herself (I did NOT do delves enough to level her much) and noticed that if you ever run out of energy in the pull you do just die so I'll probably just finish leveling another way, just didn't really feel like doing more questing since I've leveled a few alts already

Will hopefully be M+ ready fairly soon though

[iron thorn]

once you figure out that doing all delves into questing into turning in stuff is fastest

it becomes quite soothing actually

[severe meadow]

Yeah, delve content, woo

[dreamy dust]

Yeah I've just done this a couple times so wanted a bit of a change of pace

[iron thorn]

like i wouldn't mind leveling my 6th or 7th char like that now

[fallow canopy]

Wangers rise

[golden loom]

You can do some stealth stuff in delves as rogue

[dreamy dust]

But calamitous farm isn't quite as easy and relaxing as I thought it'd be

[golden loom]

Ohh wait

[iron thorn]

nah that shit fucks if you're not a tank

[dreamy dust]

Oh yeah I'm doing the whole "big pull at start of dungeon, kill, reset delve" thing

[golden loom]

You meant aoe farming it

Ye ye mb

[fallow canopy]

The exp changes are in 0.7 right?

[iron thorn]

ive actually done so many delves this season, i think valeera is almost maxed out

[golden loom]

Yeah most you can do is like evasion and hope valeera heals at some point if it doesnt fall over

[fallow canopy]

For the extra exp for quests and stuff

[severe meadow]

Do you have the delver title

[iron thorn]

ya

[dreamy dust]

Yeah though finished all the delve quests so that's a lot of the prep done so worst case if I want variety I just timewalking to 87 or so even if that's a bit slower than just questing

[severe meadow]

illegal

[golden loom]

Mine has been 60 for a month

[iron thorn]

gotta check

[dreamy dust]

Yep and she did indeed fall over

[severe meadow]

500 delves I think

[dreamy dust]

My valeera is only level like 12 if that says anything

[iron thorn]

nah for sure not then

[severe meadow]

My friend got it recently

Actually insane work

[iron thorn]

because in essence

fuck delves

dogshit content

[golden loom]

Yeah she might be able to tank a rat or a bird

[fallow canopy]

Does it count old expansions delves?

Or is it just 500 delves in midnight?

[severe meadow]

I'm not sure tbh

[dreamy dust]

Yeah I hate delves so I avoided them and now I'm paying for my sins when leveling rogue

[severe meadow]

I have like 50 done in total

[drifting cloud]

should be total

[fallow canopy]

500 delves in midnight would be

[dreamy dust]

Yeah I had her on dps for a bit, she had 100 or less dps

Kind of crazy

Lol

[golden loom]

Yeah gotta have her as healer

[severe meadow]

Go ahead..

[iron thorn]

oh and valeera also faaar

so all good

not a mole person

[severe meadow]

(The friend who got it)

[iron thorn]

i'm basically just parroting a growl take here

but you cannot tell me there's enough people in wow

[fallow canopy]

that makes more sense

[iron thorn]

that all the mole people content theyve been creating

is justified

[severe meadow]

It's cool to make the content they make but it's usually shit reward slop

[golden loom]

completed this 2 months ago

delves are goated I wont hear anything else

[runic hinge]

i know where you can delve

[iron thorn]

this should additionally give the title the insane

as a small easter egg

[severe meadow]

mentally unwell title

[iron thorn]

[severe meadow]

No title for 1000?

[golden loom]

@subtle tundra can u help me with my remaining 351 delves

[golden loom]

"Infinite delver"

[severe meadow]

Aah

[subtle tundra]

i can help you with

[iron thorn]

[balmy condor]

you'd be surprised how many moles there are

[subtle tundra]

i cant type the words in here

[iron thorn]

yeah like thats the thing

[balmy condor]

if you've opened reddit recently you can find many moles in fact

[iron thorn]

i just cannot fathom it

[golden loom]

cant wait to get that key!

[dreamy dust]

The first season I ever actually played (TWW S3) I was playing holy priest so delves traumatized me because I was very stubborn and did them as a healer, and there was an enemy in a Karesh delve that would heal all its health if you don't interrupt it, and as a holy priest, you didn't have an interrupt

[balmy condor]

armchair reddit know-it-alls saying wowhead is all AI slop and dogshit but then getting upset when the site director gets fired

[dreamy dust]

So it wasn't killable unless I perfectly cc chained it

[balmy condor]

which is it

[royal lantern]

"uhm, the best part about wowhead are the comments!!!!"

like, yeha, thats kinda the point of a database

[fallow canopy]

I'm waiting for the hivemind to form an opinion let me get back to you on that

[golden loom]

I hope the labyrinth stuff will be cool

[waxen belfry]

Archon says ass rogue is trash 🙁

But I'm gonna play it anyways

[severe meadow]

Archon

[dreamy dust]

So much talk about wowhead being ai and then you go to almost every curseforge mod description that, if not written by ai, is almost certainly formatted by it

Lol

[iron thorn]

thanks for making me open reddit so i could see this

[severe meadow]

+30k

[royal lantern]

reminder that most of that stuff is fake stuff for upvotes

[golden loom]

30k is 30k

[golden loom]

They hate to see a fella delve

[balmy condor]

I mean forget curseforge, icvyeins legit just has an entire AI persona writing news

[fallow canopy]

maxroll is where things get spicy

[dreamy dust]

Yeah

[severe meadow]

I forgot maxroll existed xd

[balmy condor]

wowhead gets giga dunked on for reddit reposts and whatever

but then this shit

just straight up scrapes reddit

and reposts it

but that's fine I guess lmao

[fallow canopy]

[severe meadow]

SHIV?

[iron thorn]

no no no

[balmy condor]

wowhead is plenty bad, we have our issues and whatever

[iron thorn]

please

[severe meadow]

Oh is this TWW

[balmy condor]

like there's critique there, and it's valid

[fallow canopy]

is it tho

[severe meadow]

[balmy condor]

but making wowhead out to be some evil corporate boogeyman is insane

[severe meadow]

god imagine seeing that and then coming in here to ask wtf is wrong with your dps

And then you link a log with 38 shiv casts

[dreamy dust]

Tbf that was also being talked about in the comments for that

[light quarry]

boosted

[severe meadow]

and proceed to get dunked on by everyone

[runic hinge]

wish someone would shiv me irl

[fallow canopy]

any londoners in chat

[severe meadow]

@subtle tundra

get him

[iron thorn]

boost me next ty

[subtle tundra]

i am romanian

i dont shiv anyone

i just make stuff dissapear

[severe meadow]

[balmy condor]

yeh there's also a ridiculous amount of misinfo but I can't clear it up publicly so I just gotta sit here and go "wow these redditors are complete idiots"

[subtle tundra]

magician irl

[light quarry]

@balmy condor world first +21 SKYREACH with sudden demise

[severe meadow]

and the vial talent surely

?

[light quarry]

leech enchants

[balmy condor]

good for them

[golden loom]

Why not the +3 agi shoulder enchant to execute faster

[vital flicker]

With the random rng variance on boss fights you could probably still sometimes parse well if you were casting shiv in your cooldowns

[light quarry]

idk the tech chief

[worn geyser]

and 3 stam glove enchant

[severe meadow]

holy aura to get a top parse while slamming shiv

[iron thorn]

just be a whistleblower

[golden loom]

Legacy pvp vendor in stormwind

[severe meadow]

he can blow my whistle

[golden loom]

Can also get tbc rep shoulder enchants if you want

[light quarry]

HOLY LOCK IN

[balmy condor]

no one would listen

[haughty flicker]

i would listen

nothing would happen

[vital flicker]

I never said a top parse

[haughty flicker]

but i would listen

[iron thorn]

i always listen to you whispyr

you're my goat

[royal lantern]

its wow reddit mate lol

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

there's some like "I used to be at wowhead" types in the comments on that thread and they're just

wrong

lmao

[royal lantern]

man

almost as if they like

lie

[haughty flicker]

oh i should do that one

[royal lantern]

[haughty flicker]

people wouldnt lie on the internet

[balmy condor]

idk

the narrative that the site is shit but firing people is also shit

is funny to me

[haughty flicker]

i think its a good sign that i didnt know there was a wowhead is shit narrative

means im staying away from reddit enough

[golden loom]

The aldor exalted shoulder enchant from tbc is +2 attackpower + 1 crit I think

[worn geyser]

i do think those both can exist, i would think that same thing if icy veins laid off a bunch of peple

[dreamy dust]

I think it's "the site is bad because they fire people" thing

[royal lantern]

they all upvote their reddit posts into high heavens because they agree with them, but when it gets scrapped up by a article its also bad

cus

idk

like, you guys upvoted that shit in the first place and made it visible

[balmy condor]

seems we're able to fire a lot of people considering people think we're all AI now

[golden loom]

Grokhead

[balmy condor]

but like:

site has been shit for years
wowhead posts nothing but slop
fires site director
wow how could they do that

[worn geyser]

ngl maybe i dont look at the same parts of wowhead as these people, but where are all the ai articles, the only ones i look at are class ones and latest news stuff sometimes

maybe my ai awareness is bad tho

[balmy condor]

great question

[royal lantern]

it is

like, AI is problematic

but currently the onnline thing is "if i dont like it, its AI"

and im the biggest AI hater in the world, so im not against bashing AI lol

[balmy condor]

I would like to know if we have AI articles

because I do not know of any

but I do know that we have fired writers for using AI

[golden loom]

Idk if you guys have heard the AI worldcup songs, but I did think the Portugal one was real when I heard it the first time

[dreamy dust]

Yeah it's reached a point where anything people don't like is called ai, which kind of diminishes the impact of stuff that's actually ai

[royal lantern]

like

people dont like the story? reddit says "its written by AI xddd" and gets 20k Upvotes

a Overtuned Class gets nerfed? "blizzard doesnt play their own game and lets chatgpt balance stuff now xddd microsoft ai microsoft ai"

just 0 brain activity going on

[dreamy dust]

So like I'm glad people are treating it as more of a bad thing now but it's still not perfect

[blazing tulip]

I miss MMO champs

[vital flicker]

Can somebody at wowhead tell Squishei to stop leaking positive exploits, I want my game to be broken in my favor not only broken in bad ways. That's my only complaint about wowhead

[worn geyser]

like ive seen some crazy icy veins ones that are obviously ai , cant remember loading up an article posted by squishei and going damn robot made this

[balmy condor]

squishei is a gangster

he'll see a blue post come in

go "I got"

and then post it with a line saying "here's the blue post"

[runic hinge]

then tormus says "blizz is stupid"

[royal lantern]

tormus is a icon man

[balmy condor]

it's not the most original content reposting blue posts

but he's so much faster at it than anyone else on the team

it's crazy

[royal lantern]

also, its not just "Blizz is stupid"

its "blizz is stupid for making EVERYTHING for the 0,1%, the game is dying because of that" (the article is about timewalking dungeons)

tormus maxing man

[balmy condor]

one time it took me 3 minutes to repost a blue post and he was like dming me "yo where is it"

CHILL MAN

[royal lantern]

he got that f5 key bound to his mousewheel

[balmy condor]

well we have a bot for it

but yeh

[golden loom]

I knew it, robots!

[worn geyser]

true, but its still one step above slop which is important for ppl to differentiate i dunno everything is called slop tho now if u dont fw it

[vital flicker]

Leaked proof of AI at Wowhead

[royal lantern]

i mean, reposted blue posts is literally the #1 reason i use wowhead

its how i learn about them since basically always lol

[golden loom]

Yeah the news channel posts the wowhead article about the bluepost

Thats all I need

[dreamy dust]

Yeah I was very confused about them talking about how articles on wowhead are useless now and meanwhile I've never really had much issue with them outside maybe the occasional bit of confusion every now and then

Which comments typically resolve or just looking around more

[vital flicker]

Oh one legitimate complained about wowhead is that their search bar is just terrible, you are better off using google search to find an old article or your class guides

[balmy condor]

aware

[dreamy dust]

Yeah I feel like a lot of search functions are sometimes too specific and other times not specific enough (not wowhead directed specifically, just in general)

[haughty flicker]

i dont think ive ever even attempted to use the wowhead search function

i always just use google and it takes me to wowhead anyway

[ember mural]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory

[balmy condor]

we have to use the search for guide writing

[ember mural]

[runic hinge]

banned

[worn geyser]

I do wish there were more articles posted like poroms arcane mage retrospective that was posted today, its always interesting to see that kinda content but idk if thats a popular thing or not. just indepth opinionated class stuff

[balmy condor]

problem is that it's only popular to people that care about mage

and to everyone else it's just "spam editorials I don't care about"

[vital flicker]

I in TWW I tried to find the post about Blade Flurry being bugged and hitting dead mobs and I just had to look up the outlaw guide clicked on Guy's profile so i could look through their past posted articles because I literally could not find it any other way

[grave nova]

idk wtf im doing wrong man

[balmy condor]

that looks better

[royal lantern]

ye its not great, but tbh i kinda accepted that searchbars just suck everywhere for like 10 years now

oh and google is implementing the currently "optional" AI mode as the only option in the next update

have fun

[grave nova]

garrote and rupture are still far apart

[balmy condor]

yeah that's normal

[royal lantern]

everything in google is AI summerays and search resluts now

[grave nova]

shoudl spatter be higher? 17 pit btw

[iron thorn]

depends on ur tank iirc

[balmy condor]

yeh but depends on the pulls a lot

like ideally would look like this

[grave nova]

also i had a situation where kings was off cd but we were moving to boss and the pack was ending and i had about 11 seconds of time it was spent up. Do i just hold it for mark then?

[dreamy dust]

Why does hand of fate look special in that

[plain thistle]

my pit 16, 197k dps

similar

[frosty cloud]

are feint and vial the only real ways to mitigate damage

aside from like cloak and evasion

[royal lantern]

cloak?

well evasion only with elusivness

but yeha, its feint and cloak

vial, LOL

[plain thistle]

cheat death

[grave nova]

you should be using evasion when there are going to be a couple of aoes going out simultaneously

[plain thistle]

[iron thorn]

my mt 16 and i sucked balls

[grave nova]

like AA birds before big bird

[worn geyser]

feint it and soothe them if ur feeling spicy

[royal lantern]

i mean, you just throw blind out there and the fixate is gone

[grave nova]

AA not spire

[royal lantern]

oh

other birds

[frosty cloud]

does evasion have built in mitigation

[royal lantern]

no

[latent kernel]

so for secondary poisoning and rank 1 fatal concoction, looks like most people on murlok are running fatal concoction but i thought they were both better at different target counts so why is fatal pretty much uniform across the board in high keys?

[grave nova]

elusiveness gives it that

[frosty cloud]

oh

but i lose cheat death

[grave nova]

youre throwing if you run cheat death in m+

[frosty cloud]

ok i see

[royal lantern]

evasion is ussules 98% of the time, and only does something always when you either take elusivness, or when you go deathstalker for the talent that gives evasion 20% magic DR

[iron thorn]

because thats what rogue needs

magic dr

[frosty cloud]

yah i died like

[iron thorn]

(cloak of shadows doesn't exist)

[frosty cloud]

3 times in the mt hall way

leading to the breaker

[royal lantern]

tbf, thats a weird call aswell

[frosty cloud]

lol

[vital flicker]

Rogue needs all of the DR it can get we have like no HP

[royal lantern]

like, there where many seasons where elusivness was grosly overvalue cus people dont realised that feint worked on everything by default

[frosty cloud]

so was wondering if i could have done something or my healer just said i didnt fee like healing

[royal lantern]

cloak has 2min cd

[worn geyser]

2 min cd will get u cooked in alot of dungeons, id be getting fried without elusiveness in alot of keys

[balmy condor]

ayo proof or

[grave nova]

in raid you only really deal with aoe damage so cheat death makes sense as feint just helps with aoe stuff. But in m+ you deal with channel and other forms of damage where elusiveness actually matter

[iron thorn]

check DMs

[balmy condor]

checking

[grave nova]

never run cheat in m+ plz unless there is a super niche case in super high keys

[royal lantern]

bro

[plain thistle]

[royal lantern]

you run elusivness in giga high keys

thats it

[grave nova]

im agreeing

[worn geyser]

think opposite of that is true, u can run cheat well up to 18 maybe even higher

[balmy condor]

understood, swapping to elusiveness in my weekly 10s

[frosty cloud]

it was a 14 so idk

lol

[royal lantern]

and even there we had situations where it was not needed over CD really lol

cus again

[vital flicker]

Based

[royal lantern]

feint works on MANY Things many dont even know

[grave nova]

those keys arent real

[grave nova]

youre just making your healer put in more work

[balmy condor]

rogue discord told me never run cheat in m+ idk

[frosty cloud]

i know feint works on things that arent just aoe?

i think

[latent kernel]

why are almost all high key pushers running rank 1 fatal instead of secondary? thought they were both good at different target counts, but in high keys are they really just giga-pulling that much that fatal is better?

[balmy condor]

that's elusiveness

[frosty cloud]

or do i specifically need elusiveness

oh ok

[balmy condor]

fatal is better in giga pulls and st

secondary is better between that

[royal lantern]

giga high keys are literally so pointless that blizzard doesnt care about them mate

+10 keys are more real for the game then all those +19 things that a couple people touch

m+ is balanced around the max reward level afterall

[latent kernel]

so in super high keys, thats basically the routes they run anyways right is giga pulls and bosses?

[vital flicker]

Run elusivness because you got told to, but don't hit feint because its like your 4th alt in your weekly 10s

[latent kernel]

so makes sense

[balmy condor]

yeh

[royal lantern]

everything above that is a huge handsoff for blizz

[grave nova]

you can run anything you want in a +10

[worn geyser]

i mean im personally not, but I mean if your healer cant hps these mechanics with the extra gear by now in 17s get a new healer

[latent kernel]

so for my weekly mythics where my tanks dont meta game and pull 6 mobs at a time, secondary is the way to go lol

[balmy condor]

probably won't make much of a diff

but should be better yes

[iron thorn]

get a tank who meta games

[grave nova]

you pressing your cooldowns to help means they have more stuff for more points in time ):

[frosty cloud]

how i feel playing rogue vs dk ngl

[iron thorn]

10s are much more fun when your tank is on crack

[royal lantern]

isnt every DH meta gaming?

[balmy condor]

yeah except we're on the right and the button is feint

[iron thorn]

thats why i play dh mate @royal lantern

[balmy condor]

feint is the live everything button

[royal lantern]

watching the DK on Mythic Lura eat a glaive, not moving and lose only like 40% hp while not using any deffensive

[worn geyser]

yea but at a 17 they dont need the help

[royal lantern]

just dk things

[dreamy dust]

Frost DK was fun, was my dps main in TWW S3

Immortal and ignore every mechanic

Lol

[iron thorn]

i had a lot of fun on fdk too

[vital flicker]

Nah that button is Death Knight on the character creation screen

[iron thorn]

but man the gameplay was bland

just fun because big number

[frosty cloud]

dk still ignores everything

you can ams every circle on the last boss in windrunner

[dreamy dust]

Yeah it was my first dps so I enjoyed doing near top damage without having crazy good gear or anything

Lol

[frosty cloud]

the wow head guide has cheat death for m+

i was lied to

[dreamy dust]

Though my stat distribution actually ended up like pretty much optimal and I just lacked ilevel which helped

[royal lantern]

mechanic happens

press either AMS or Deaths Advance and keep hitting the boss

grip some adds

be top dps

complain about no raidbuff afterwards, which means that DK will never be taken into serious content (you just left a raid that had 3DKs that all where invited for their Grips)

[vital flicker]

Feint just makes me less scared for my life more than making me feel safe,I almost never feel comfortable on rogue

[dreamy dust]

Yes

[iron thorn]

just game

dont look at healthbar

healer fault if you die

[dreamy dust]

Be in dimensius fight, ignore every mechanic, never actually get to second stage to use grips but be last one alive in phase 1 and top damage

That was my experience

Lol

[worn geyser]

ranged kick the adds, get a buffix that puts you on par with one of the most broken new specs, dont talent the less/no runic power b res and be annoyed when you have to bres someone 🔥

[dreamy dust]

With no bres cast time so you end up being the one who has to do it anyway

Lol

[royal lantern]

"unholy dks cry that they got nerfed into a unplayable state while still doing more dmg then both warrior specs, 2 mage specs, WW monk and all 3 rogue specs until they get buffed into top tier 1 week later again" will be something i never forget

[dreamy dust]

Wasn't it because they were bugged more than anything? Or was this before/after that?

[royal lantern]

mfs talk about Ret Paladins and Mages always crying, but DPS DKs are legit the most entitled little shits at this point lol

[iron thorn]

frost dk coming from the gutters too

spoonfed class

[buoyant herald]

Frost DK is actually superb right now as well

[iron thorn]

yeah thats what i meant

[buoyant herald]

It’s just overshadowed by unholy which is somehow even better

[iron thorn]

but is it really?

top 10 vorasius boss dmg

somehow one of us is in there

[buoyant herald]

Oh I meant keys

[worn geyser]

in raid frost pumps for sure

[iron thorn]

zac the goat

[buoyant herald]

But yeah they’ve got insane boss damage in keys

As well as raid clearly

[iron thorn]

i'm still kinda ashamed of this

had god pulls before this

but kill pull was a mess for me

[dreamy dust]

Yeah FDK feels really good to play imo

[buoyant herald]

I think DK is likely the next thing I level but ehhh I’m pretty happy between rogue and shaman atm

[iron thorn]

soon some more keys on rogue hopefully

currently gearing our healer and warr

but then time for some 16s and up

i might pug some 16s on my veng dh tho

because thats legit kinda fun to do

pull big, fall over, blame healer/dps and alt f4

[waxen oyster]

dks took one from the mage playbook

of sandbag and larp

[coral ibex]

if feint doesnt work on a damage event, i was not meant to live it

[waxen oyster]

if feint doesnt work

you dm the healer for one heal

[iron thorn]

i got so many heal absorbs today

and at some point i just unmuted in voice

and told them to specifically heal me

because holy shit, that paladins heal absorb on me feels like i could just

fall over any second

[waxen oyster]

mages unironically think they're bad rn

like not as a bit

[iron thorn]

i think arcane and fire are allowed to think that rn

BUT on the other hand

[dreamy dust]

This happened to me in a 10 skyreach, veng does first pull, I put external on them (I'm resto druid) external expires, they fall over, go heals?? Pull again, I don't have external up, they instantly fall over again, and say you don't know how to heal a dh clearly and leave the key

[fresh kelp]

ye it goes on the closest guys

you're always gonna get it

and stack it

[dreamy dust]

I then heal a veng in a windrunner perfectly fine right after

Lol

[iron thorn]

yep ik ik, just usually didnt get it because i tried to not be too close to her

but today as outlaw

i was like IN the boss model

to make sure my flurry hits

[waxen oyster]

i mean

[fresh kelp]

the big heal absorb into searing radiance combo (none of my abilities help against searing radiance)

[waxen oyster]

if you play a pure dps class

and one of your specs is good

yet you choose not to play it

[iron thorn]

thats a) on you but also b) based for sticking to what you like

[worn geyser]

i think its valid to not swap but i also would never swap to playing outlaw so idk

[iron thorn]

like fire just plays so different

from frost

law is fun

[dreamy dust]

Yeah I feel like survivability is a fair thing to complain about, since iirc fire and especially arcane mages had the highest or near highest death rates in raids

[waxen oyster]

yeah but if you play for fun

you just accept what you play

isnt always the best

[iron thorn]

yep

[dreamy dust]

Like being a bit lower damage is fair but it feels bad to die because you don't have enough defensive for the content

So I get it

[iron thorn]

i mean zac perma complains about how bad outlaw is

but still gets .1% every season

so it can't be THAT bad, right?

[worn geyser]

i mean its pretty good rn in keys

[iron thorn]

not speaking about right now

rather in general

if law wasnt good in keys, i'd not play it

[worn geyser]

ye he just skill diffs it but it does also help he is known to be good and has good connections so people dont gaf what he plays since hes insane

[iron thorn]

but the spec just feels better in what i'm doing than assa

[waxen oyster]

def a bit weird with how asssa requires more effort

to do less

[iron thorn]

felt like that on sub last tier

giga thought out burst window

just to be cucked by fdk pressing 1 and 2

i kinda regret not playing assa more last tier

it was fun to play on loomi

[marsh fjord]

Biggest annoyance of assa last tier

was the tierset bug

[iron thorn]

i didnt read enough to even understand that

[marsh fjord]

sometimes it was 30s cooldowns. sometimes it was 1 minut. and sometimes it was 1.30. and sometimes it was 2 minutes

[iron thorn]

i legit just pressed what hekili told me

because it was better than sub

[marsh fjord]

Basically what it did

Is making your cooldowns shorter

then they intended to

So you could never really get in the flow of things. because every pull could be different

[iron thorn]

oh lol

now that sucks

[marsh fjord]

And it had something to do with coin flipping

If you had 30 seconds deathmark. you parsed awesome

if you got the negative side of the bug

well 😄

you can fill that in 😄

[iron thorn]

yeah gotcha

[dreamy dust]

Idk if it's a hot take but I feel like people complained about the class pruning a lot but I think it's been overall pretty positive

Though there's a few awkward parts

For some classes

[iron thorn]

i just know i did top dps in a heroic pug with hekili

that was enough for me

with 90s deathmarks?

and then a 1m deathmark

interesting

[marsh fjord]

Also Assa didn't really got pruned.

But wow players like to complain a lot 😄

[iron thorn]

ahem

please

sir

[jovial cradle]

Look at arcane mage and fire mage 😭😭

[iron thorn]

be very careful with that statement

[marsh fjord]

What statement 😄

[jovial cradle]

Rogue, outside of sub, won im terms of midnight changes

[marsh fjord]

yeah but this is a rogue channel 😄

[iron thorn]

i am very sour about the sub rogue pruning

[marsh fjord]

Yeah but who the fuck plays sub

[iron thorn]

i did before

i was an avid assa hater before midnight

[marsh fjord]

But i was more in a boat of Assa

Let me change it

[jovial cradle]

I as well, was pushing it in s2 when it was BAD

[marsh fjord]

Only thing Assa lost was shivving in DM windows.

oh and a aoe finisher that put a bleed out. which is now our spreading

[dreamy dust]

Yeah when I tried in TWW not having an easier way to spread bleeds was a negative for me

[marsh fjord]

well it was just.

Spam rupture/garrote till everything was with bleeds. then you pressed CT. and you went into DM/KB window.

[iron thorn]

and now you spam ct til everything has bleeds

idk whats better tbf

[waxen oyster]

miss dry shiv

[dreamy dust]

Spamming ct is a lot more approachable at the very least

[reef wagon]

i feel like they should just merge ct and fok together

[iron thorn]

shiv + tea macro

wont be missed

[iron thorn]

[waxen oyster]

i never macroed

[marsh fjord]

The spreading ability QOL wise is a massive improvement. but sometimes its weird where fok and CT should be kinda the same?

But the difference is that FOk can crit and give you full CP

i dont even know if CT can do that right now

@balmy condor can CT crit and give full CP?

just like fok does?

[balmy condor]

yes they're identical

[marsh fjord]

Thank you pookie ❤️

[haughty flicker]

np

[marsh fjord]

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[haughty flicker]

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[marsh fjord]

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[worn geyser]

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[latent kernel]

are they really identical bc i swear it feels like FOK has a way higher chance of getting extra CP than CT

i could just be imagining things tho

[balmy condor]

Well there are talents like thrown precision which increase fok crit rate

But they function the same

[latent kernel]

gotcha thats gotta be it didnt even think of thrown precision

[turbid yacht]

Is that the only extra? When fighting paladins it seems like I have a way higher chance of getting to 5+ in a single cast with FoK than with CT.

Particularly during the opener with lust when I have gobs of energy and can therefore choose which one to cast

[latent kernel]

its 5% per target hit, so on just one target, FOK has a 5% greater chance to give extra CP, but on 3 targets its per mob

which is why at like 5-7 target counts it feels like FOK always fills but CT might not

sorry more like 3-5

[turbid yacht]

The paladins opener is 3 target, that could be it tbh

[balmy condor]

I believe so

But for as much of an encyclopedia as I am, I don’t remember if there’s another

[vital flicker]

The hero talent in fatebound

Gives an extra combo point from sealed fate

[turbid yacht]

We should use CT there if we're gonna cap energy though due to it just doing more damage per gcd?

[vital flicker]

Idk what it is called

[balmy condor]

No

Ct is for bleeds and nothing else

You would fok otherwise

It’s just more efficient

[turbid yacht]

I mean during lust when you can't burn energy fast enough spamming FoK + envenom. I thought CT was getting finisher bonuses and weird stuff.

[vital flicker]

the talent is called Deal Fate, Mutilate, Ambush and FoK give an extra combo point from seal fate

[turbid yacht]

I'll switch to FoK only though after bleed spread even if it will cap, with the above combo points it gives more envenoms

[vital flicker]

I mean even without the extra combo points, the lower energy cost of FoK just feels better to play with

[turbid yacht]

Yeah, but during the first 20 seconds of paladins I have so much energy anyways that I'll waste energy being capped with FoK and Envenom alone

And I have ingrained trying to never be energy capped

[latent kernel]

So realistically you take thrown precision more so for the fact that the it makes the critical strikes apply poisons right? Assuming that’s where the damage actually comes from

Because a 5% crit chance on FOK if you’re geared properly with high crit and with normal pulls in m+ does not really matter that much

[vital flicker]

5% higher chance to get 3 combo points per hit is nothing to scoff at

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[balmy condor]

Why 3?

[vital flicker]

Deal Fate gives you an extra combo point from Seal Fate

[balmy condor]

Oh that’s how you mean

Yeah

I didn’t do the math like that

[vital flicker]

I mean my wording was a little poor

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s technically 5% for 2cp right

The first is guaranteed

[vital flicker]

Yeah

[latent kernel]

idk i still dont think its necessarily meaningful combo point wise

[balmy condor]

It’s not a ton, but it’s something

[balmy condor]

Bro is cranking out the desmos that’s crazy

Technically it’s 1 + 2((c+0.05)x though

Cause deal fate

But yeh

[latent kernel]

i just did this graph

sec

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-6940210783199332877

Me right now