assassination

[royal lantern]

you dont think about it

[supple cloud]

oh so we just dont manage it at all?

kk

ty

[balmy condor]

Yes

[royal lantern]

whisp

is CT even worth it on lura anymore

idk, feels kinda wasted at this point instead of just spatter

[golden loom]

im just playing spatter only

p1 wipe factory

[balmy condor]

No

[golden loom]

just playing my own character on this fight is a banger

but I have no responsability

outside of first kick

[wooden jasper]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

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[wooden jasper]

@balmy condor Heya man, just wanted to say hope ur having a good one

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow

[wooden jasper]

jkl u stink

Honest question guys

Im trying to find whats best to use for M+ and Raid

Im very lost and confused

Cause im trying to be optimal in my raiding for the last tier

and also gear up for M+ cause its the content im gonna be spamming after

Right now, most of the gear I have are almost BIS for M+ Sub, but i dont think sub is great for m+ compared to sin

idk if i should still try to gear myself up for sin so my m+ run goes better

[runic hinge]

is this my guild?

[thorn thorn]

its mine

[runic hinge]

oh wait we havent killed yet

[thorn thorn]

heroic?

[light quarry]

[wooden jasper]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

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[vernal patio]

Is my bars broken or does crimson tempest only spread to 2 targets?

[spice surge]

That is what the spell says it does yes

[vernal patio]

So am I spamming this in M+ - The way i read it was spread with tempest then use FoK from that point onwards

So it threw me off when it wasnt spreading over much

[normal mist]

You use it until every target is bleeded and you're not able to spam it due to high energy costs. In really big pulls, you wont be energy starved so you can just keep pressing CT instead o FoK

[vernal patio]

And should I at any stage be not envenoming on large enough packs? And only spamming CT/Fok?

Or is it always going to be spend the combopoints

[plain thistle]

no, spend combo points

thats where our damage is

[vernal patio]

Okay, I also feel like on the 12s I am not sending Deathmark and Kingsbane because stuff dies so fast - Should I alwways be saving it for a boss ideally?

Or just send it on packs even if it wont be up on a boss

[plain thistle]

send on prio target before spreading dots

[vernal patio]

Before spreading? Okay - Jheeze I watch a video and itll tell me, dont envenom on high target and spead then use CDs

[normal mist]

As said above, once you reach 5cps just envenom

[plain thistle]

you can check that in warcraftlog, in dungeons like AA first pull, since people here loves zerocools will use his logs as a example, he did 2 spread before CDs, but always envenom at 5+ combo points

thats AA +21 first pull

[vernal patio]

Okay good!

Thank you

[jolly isle]

Are there moments in your rotation that energy just runs out and you miss a global or two waiting for energy to perform an action? I experience that and wonder if its telling of a bad rotation

[plain thistle]

intended class design, even our apex talent encourages that, since you wait before envenom to let it drop and gain energy regen

at 80 stacks

[jolly isle]

okay cool. my damage was staying steady but it felt like i was doing nothing but autoattacking lol

[vernal patio]

Deadly Poison and Atrophic right>?

[spice surge]

!poisons

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[humble verge]

in just over 2 weeks https://open.spotify.com/track/3W9BAlXhtg8zXKwKLHmo6w?si=dda34c0378124cf1

[desert musk]

Is it fine to only use 1 non-lethal poison? I don’t like crippling

[golden loom]

Ye its fine

[desert musk]

Ty

[zenith haven]

Hello! new to assa rogue, i have a question when it comes to aoe, i see people rotating Crimsom Tempest and Fan of Knives, i know crimsom is for spreading bleeds, but when is enough crimsom spam and when its time to swtich to Fan spam? Thanks in advance :D

[spice surge]

When you no longer need to spread bleeds

[balmy condor]

assa and sub use the same stats for the most part, should be fine either way

[storm forum]

You no longer need to spread bleeds when everything has two or more bleeds

[spice surge]

You might ask yourself "how would i even manage to only spread 1 bleed to certain targets?"

And for that theres no answer, sometimes it only spreads one of them, for fun

[olive forge]

If this has already been asked....please give me grace and point toward the pin/resource that answers.....

Is there an optimal time to use Puzzlebox? With Deathmark?

[humble verge]

late tier ocean boiling for that 0.1% dps increase

[fresh kelp]

what purpose does an ocean serve if not to be boiled for 0.1% dps

[drifting cedar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[storm forum]

right before deathmark. if you have time for an env before the DM, right before that env is also acceptable

[olive forge]

So on a boss.....assuming all CDs are available....what does the opener look like with puzzelbox?

[storm forum]

something like:
gar, mut, gar/rup (order depends on crits), build to 5+, env/box (order depends on preference), dm, kb, env, mut/env spam

[jolly isle]

when do you hit your pot during that

[balmy condor]

on dm

[jolly isle]

so box first, pot, then dm and so forth?

[severe meadow]

you can macro pot with dm

[jolly isle]

good idea

[severe meadow]

you can make a macro and keep dm on a separate button if you wanna use pot during damage amps

or just not worry about it

[waxen belfry]

does spreading garrote via crimson tempest proc aoe silence with tripwire?

[balmy condor]

no

[waxen belfry]

goddamit

[waxen belfry]

what's the nuance behind dropping envenom buff? do i just stack it as high as possible?

[shell remnant]

Stack as high as possible. Drop it if you are energy starved. Repeat

[waxen belfry]

oh sick

okay so no extra thought required xD

tyvm

[indigo mulch]

You want to drop it everytime you hit 80 stacks if you don't cap yourself on energy doing so from my understanding.

I might be wrong cause I suck.

[buoyant herald]

nah that's the gist of it

not super complicated

[buoyant herald]

need this as flair

[waxen belfry]

also do you guys macro death mark and kingsbane?

how would i write the macro?

[balmy condor]

they're both on the gcd

you can't macro them

[waxen belfry]

also why is archon showing that they are alternating casts of death mark and kingsbane?

i thought they were being used together

OH IT SAYS 2

sorry for the dumb questions

im new to this stuff

[grave nova]

how many targets are we doing garrote garrote in aoe? all more than 2?

also if kingsbane is going to get descyned from mark due to a pack dying, just hold until death?

[balmy condor]

you double garrote your main target and then spread to everything with ct

[balmy condor]

depends way too much on the dungeon and the situation

[grave nova]

i mean how in aoe we press garrote back to back, thats in 2+ targets?

[balmy condor]

I mean technically in st as well

[robust inlet]

You just always do it yeah

[grave nova]

oh waht

[balmy condor]

as long as you cast garrote twice in the imp gar window

doesn't matter when you're doing it

[grave nova]

thought you space out in ST

[balmy condor]

you can space it out in aoe as well

doesn't matter

[robust inlet]

You just wanna get 2 casts in the window

[balmy condor]

yeh

[grave nova]

im assuming its a super marginal difference when it comes to optimization?

[balmy condor]

it's basically irrelevant, yes

[flat kindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[drowsy hollow]

sin feels so weird in delves vs sub

[novel dock]

/macro

!macri

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[dawn seal]

why is no one playing assasination rogue on midnight falls

i am confusion

[grave nova]

im looking at top logs for paladins and almost all do not press double garrote, am i missing something?

at least in opener

[dawn seal]

my feely craft says its good like in there

[solar wyvern]

U vanish garrote later

[balmy condor]

it is

[grave nova]

is that just normal for openers with vanish or just for 3 targets or something?

[balmy condor]

normal for raid openers

[waxen oyster]

because people copy paste what liquid does

I mean it really doesn't matter what rogue spec you play on that boss since you're just a spectator and not doing a real job.

Just exist to hit boss and apply atro.

[balmy condor]

Also back when liquid was progging it, the p1 crystals were a much bigger problem

And sub kinda the only spec that can help with that

And now they fucking explode cause we have an extra 20 ilvl

[waxen oyster]

nah sub clearly value still

im definitely not racing my guildies to pad on midnight crystals

or anything

[worn geyser]

sometimes i can fit a 4th global on the 2nd set!

[fresh kelp]

90s had much better timers during liquid prog as well

you never get a second use in p3 anymore

[dawn seal]

why did they removed the 90 second death mark

:( wasnt it 90 second on coin flipper last season

do we think it would have changed anything if they kept that for this season

[waxen oyster]

that was due to tier

[balmy condor]

wouldn't have changed anything really

[waxen oyster]

would made me slam my desk for another season

when my cds desync

[jolly stirrup]

Do we have any OLED Gamers here? What monitors do you use? I will treat myself with one next month for my birthday

[latent kernel]

286 warr bricked my 16 by 30s

bro did 98k overall

dont even understand how that is possible

mustve been using a staff

[analog hedge]

fury or arms?

[latent kernel]

Fury

But it doesn’t really matter lol

[blazing totem]

maybe wrong talents?

otherwise just skill issue on his part

[balmy condor]

98k overall is worse than full st talents

[waxen oyster]

especially since fury is

st rotation

[balmy condor]

yeh

[waxen oyster]

but whirlwind per 4

[buoyant herald]

I can personally attest to the existence of 290 ilvl players who don’t know wtf they’re doing

[soft spruce]

Ehy guys i am a new rogue player lv 90, Need help cuz i do reallt low dmg in aoe

I dont have macro/add ons ecc, my item level Is a round 240

[balmy condor]

that would do it

[analog hedge]

if ure not 290 just wait for the next season

im joking

[normal mist]

"I'm naked so I don't deal dmg"

Can't make an omelet without eggs mate

[balmy condor]

maybe you can't

you don't know what I'm capable of

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-a-point-jodie-walton-jbtzxclsv-ya-know-what-hold-on-gif-16819500

[keen raven]

Asa prio about to go brr next week

[analog hedge]

why? do we get something?

😮

[balmy condor]

if you play deathstalker, roughly 3% bonus damage

[analog hedge]

ooh

welp im a coin flipper enjoyer, ig nothing for me

[keen raven]

its mainly for keys

like if its actually 30% more prio then what we have rn

its gonna be insane

[balmy condor]

it's 30% more prio than fatebound, not 30% more prio than deathstalker currently

[keen raven]

like fucking insane in the membrane

yea

but like

lets say im doing 20m to a boss rn as fatebound with funnel

that means id be doing 26m with deathstalker right?

[balmy condor]

you could just play deathstalker right now and still get like 24 or 25% more prio than fatebound

[keen raven]

thats absurd prio dmg in high keys

ah so the prio is already really high

maybe i should fuck around with it then

[balmy condor]

that is deathstalker's entire thing, yes

[keen raven]

and compare

whats the dmg profile aoe wise compared to fatebound after changes

how much aoe r u losing

[normal mist]

I love that the moment fatebound stopped being shit in AoE, everyone was like "yeah I dont wanna juggle marks anymore"

[balmy condor]

depends on the amount of aoe I guess, it's also just behind in raw ST, like you need the singular focus damage for deathstalker to be worth a damn

in like 8 target aoe it was like 5-6% behind, now probably more like 2-3%

[keen raven]

i mean in keys where you have prio targets and boss funnel

thats kinda big

[balmy condor]

sure

if you can use the extra prio regularly, it's good

if you can't, then it's bad

such is deathstalker

[worn geyser]

im only resi 19 but i feel like its still not gonna be played maybe nichely in rank 1 keys full group but , most keys the prio dmg is pretty overkill already depending on comp

[loud light]

need to find yourself a group of specs that are just giga aoe no prio

[buoyant herald]

you'd only play it if you needed the prio

like. BADLY

[balmy condor]

that's pretty much what charrend was struggling with too

cause during alpha/beta, we were talking about deathstalker in keys as well

and this convo showed up basically identically

with the result being "yeah deathstalker does infinite prio but why would I need that"

[worn geyser]

i mean like everything does infinite prio now so its like, even in my 19s stuff like the bladetalon in skyreach is dying with 6 secs left on mark/kb

[balmy condor]

let me run the numbers for raw aoe and stuff

I'm actually curious

deathstalker has been weird

[keen raven]

i mean its just niche scenario/keys

tbh i just need to test tf outa of it next week in my hw 21s

[normal mist]

"Only" ... can you give yourself some credit?

[keen raven]

but ngl the prio dmg could end up being 1-2min time saves in keys lmao

[buoyant herald]

we love a good humblebrag in here

[normal mist]

I'm resi 12!

[buoyant herald]

idk man i don't think a 6% buff to an unpopular spec is gonna improve key times by 2mins

[worn geyser]

unironically not trying to brag when i said that, im like 2 key levels away from title io still lmao

[keen raven]

i mean tbh no1s playing it

i could go test it now and get a feel

[buoyant herald]

its definitely true that i don't know this for sure

call it a gut feeling

[balmy condor]

yeh okay, compared to fatebound
ST before -6.5%, after -3.9%
3-6T before -2.2%, after +1.7%
8T before -1.5%, after +2.1%
10T before -0.5%, after +3%

[keen raven]

i mean im just saying if i can cut down prio mobs in mc and do 30% more boss dam

[balmy condor]

forgot how good ds scaled

[keen raven]

thats easily a 1-2min time save

[balmy condor]

what's like a good target count for prio comparison

5?

[keen raven]

more

like 8-10

[balmy condor]

okay I can do that rq

[keen raven]

my goat

im also a cringe loser and i liked the asa version where u rupture sniped

[worn geyser]

I also like that version

[buoyant herald]

me too actually

[keen raven]

so this deathmark sniping is right up my ally

it actually sounds so fun XD

[buoyant herald]

felt like a good level of skill expression

[keen raven]

like imagine 1st boss academy

holy fucking damage

[buoyant herald]

its got a 20s cd tho

[keen raven]

oh aw u cant respam it?

unfort

[worn geyser]

i unironically enjoyed deathstalker season 2 tww a fuck ton but idk FB brain off kinda feels pretty good

[buoyant herald]

you're sniping one babymob each round

[balmy condor]

I don't think this whole sniping thing is a good way to re-introduce skill into assa, feels like you have plenty of stuff to think about sometimes

[balmy condor]

it's 20s cd and costs 30 energy

or 25?

[keen raven]

i just wish meld worked all the time

[balmy condor]

something like that

[keen raven]

XD

i legit repeat the same meld in keys and sometimes i get re and soemtimes i dont

makes no sense

[blazing totem]

time ot bring back MFD sniping

[balmy condor]

yeh, 25

[golden loom]

also gotta do like DN -> snipe -> DN

[worn geyser]

i wish the mark reset thing also reset when the target dies

[keen raven]

im just gonna pad snipe the little mobs so my dmg looks insane XD

[worn geyser]

its on GCD also i think right, i havent really fucked with it i only watched nstab mess around on a nexus point?

[golden loom]

pretty sure its off the gcd?

[balmy condor]

it's off gcd

[worn geyser]

o bet thats good

[golden loom]

otherwise it wouldnt really do anything

[blazing totem]

I really feel like we went full circle here
back in MoP I remember us having Misdirect, which was also cooldown-based CP move

they made CP stick to you cuz people hated it

and now they gave us this

[loud light]

sickos having flashbacks of end of bfa reaping flames gameplay

[blazing totem]

CP v2 that is target-bound and you have 20s ability to move it

[buoyant herald]

blizz love to reintroduce old talents too

[blazing totem]

well at least with old CPs you could just target swap and start building CPs

even if it meant losing your old ones

this one is worse

[balmy condor]

okay idk where I got 30% from xd I am misinfo spamming currently, maybe that was last season or some beta number or something, before is closer to 12-15%, after is 16-19%

[golden loom]

this one has nothing to do with combo points tho

[keen raven]

my dreams r ruined

[blazing totem]

sure but you get the idea

same thing

you lock onto one target

you have 20s spell to swap it

[keen raven]

what target situation is that for

[balmy condor]

oh you know what it was, it was before they giga nerfed all the hero talent shit on beta

[worn geyser]

so on 8-10 its +2% over FB and +16-19% prio?

[balmy condor]

8-10

[balmy condor]

yeah

[keen raven]

what about for 3, and for 5? those r common scenarios for bosses too

[balmy condor]

errrrrrrrm

[worn geyser]

thats not bad, especially cause that doesnt include any mark sniping at all right

[balmy condor]

yeh 3T after is like 1.5% overall, 5% prio, 5T is simialr

8% prio

1.5% overall

[keen raven]

Ah damn

[balmy condor]

so I guess DS just kinda better everywhere with aoe

[keen raven]

Cus I was gonna say man

[golden loom]

[keen raven]

My #s with prio were already insane

[visual sun]

Will stat be the same with ds or favoring mast a bit like in tww

[keen raven]

I was like 30% is fucking insane

[balmy condor]

it just gets better with more targets though, seems like roughly around 2-3% more per target added

so

better find a way to get 30 mobs onto a boss

[keen raven]

I'm sure it's capped at 8-10 tho

[balmy condor]

[keen raven]

Surely more than that doesn't change anything

[balmy condor]

why not

[keen raven]

Why would it

[balmy condor]

singular focus ain't capped

[golden loom]

singular focus focusing

[keen raven]

You don't have energy or combo point generation issues at that point

[balmy condor]

what

[keen raven]

So why would it go up

[balmy condor]

singular focus?

the thing we've been discussing for about 20 min now?

[keen raven]

Yea why would the prio mob take more damage

With more mobs

[balmy condor]

because that's how that talent works

[golden loom]

cause u are doing damage to more mobs

[loud light]

have you looked at the DS talents

[keen raven]

No lmao

Ahhhhhhhh

I haven't even touched the spec

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

[keen raven]

Oh shit

Okay I see

[loud light]

this explains why you were excited to play it

[lusty kraken]

is singular focus still bugged with caustic spatter?

[hollow escarp]

[balmy condor]

it's not intended to work with caustic

[lusty kraken]

so it's not a bug, it's a feature

[balmy condor]

correct

[lusty kraken]

interesting

[golden loom]

somehow this is worse than it was before

[balmy condor]

it's a residual of a residual, which is already kind of sketch to begin with

but it wasn't causing an issue so they just ignored it

[lusty kraken]

well it's a symbolic talent

[balmy condor]

except it caused a LOT of issue when our spec aura got to 20%

cause then we got the headache

[golden loom]

wait is momentum or follow the blood better or are they just kinda the same

[balmy condor]

of envenom x1.2, which caustics and does another 1.2x which singular focuses and does another 1.2x

[loud light]

I genuinely have no idea how they don't just have a rule in their engine that is just like "if this damage value is derived from another damage event, don't add in all the modifiers"

[balmy condor]

these days follow the blood is better generally

they changed momentum to only be crit damage

so it lost a lot of its oompf

[golden loom]

and theres also no reson to ever fan on 1 target now aswell right

cause ctw is gone

[balmy condor]

correct, ctw is passive fok dam

and flying daggers got neutered too

so idk

[worn geyser]

oh they nerfed momentum alot, from 32% crit and 15% chance to 20%/10% respectively thats crazy

[balmy condor]

yeh

[lusty kraken]

clear the witnesses was kinda cool

[balmy condor]

clear the witness was also kinda jank cause it spattered

so you got like a double clear the witnesses in aoe

was a very strange proc

[golden loom]

ready for wednesday..

(ready to play SD DS in my 10s)

[light quarry]

weekly keys slap

[worn geyser]

im usually not for removing stuff like that but i kinda like it gone, using fok in any single target scenario feels weird but i dont remember the exact ruleset it had

[balmy condor]

that was the ruleset for the most part

[golden loom]

FoK with CTW during lingering

[lusty kraken]

I miss shiv buffing nature damage

[light quarry]

ur alone on that one buddy

[golden loom]

I do think s2 tww DS was very enjoyable in raid

[buoyant herald]

yeah that was also my raiding peak so i have fond memories

[balmy condor]

I hated undermine so bad

[golden loom]

envenom was just hitting some crazy numbers

[balmy condor]

that shit blows

[worn geyser]

It was very fun other than spatter shenanigans on gallywix that u need whispyr venn diagrams to understand that still have me scizo about my positioning on bosses till now

[rose pilot]

So what would be the proper damage meter look like for an assassin at the end of a key ? Like top 5 damage spells in Order ?

[light quarry]

everything was bad except sprocketmonger that was a banger of a boss

[balmy condor]

sim wants to drop crit flask for haste and then take momentum

that's wild

[keen raven]

intersting

[golden loom]

(i know its vexie)

[rose pilot]

Thanks sir

[golden loom]

is that sec tec?

[worn geyser]

envenom

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

whys is purple

[balmy condor]

weird

[rose pilot]

What do you suppose I’m doing wrong if my caustic splatter is lower on meter

[buoyant herald]

almost got you

[balmy condor]

running dogshit level keys, not pressing cds

running the bleed build for your weeklies

rotationally? not much

it's a passive that auto-applies with no babysitting and no optimization

you hit cds? caustic yep

[buoyant herald]

yessss

[balmy condor]

you hit envenom, which you hit basically all the time permanently until either you die or the game dies or the earth is swallowed by the sun? caustic yep

[golden loom]

I wish I could kick while channeling puzzlebox..

[rose pilot]

18 seat I did bad damage , but just swapped to assassin this week cuz got to 18! As sub and feels like 19 was my wall for sub damage 😭 still not smooth yet with my buttons probably my biggest issue , thanks for the advice so much sir

[keen raven]

cant wait to send whispyr a photo of me doing my two teamates damage combined to a boss/prio mob next week

[light quarry]

guys, thoughts about sudden demise on lura (purely for padding logs) would it be worth it?

[balmy condor]

you and charrend and everyone else can't wait

[golden loom]

this little delay before sending cds on first lura kicks .... it only feels good if I dont crit and my opener is slower

[balmy condor]

I remember a pic from charrend from a pit during beta

and bro did like 55% of the groups boss damage

[worn geyser]

tragic u have an early kick in the rotation for that

[keen raven]

post a new pin

saying deathstalker is -30% worse

so no1 plays it pls

[golden loom]

I do like being first kick otherwise cause it takes 0 brainpower

[balmy condor]

how do I swat someone's house without comitting a federal crime

[worn geyser]

4th also has 0 brain power, i just kick when the lady in my ear says 'interrupt'

[light quarry]

ok but like i feel like it could crazy log?

bomb those fucking adds

[golden loom]

and then not doing any damage during the big damage at the end

[light quarry]

fake

what if i get pi to compensate for the ST loss

🧠

[balmy condor]

okay, I want you to imagine, in your minds eye

how many adds are on vaelgor

[light quarry]

not alot my guild kills it before i can get 1 CT out :(

[keen raven]

gonna join a guild and tell them theyre not allowed to kill vaelgor adds

[soft spruce]

!addons

[keen raven]

MY FUNNEL

[soft spruce]

can someone give me some add ons for ass rogue

[balmy condor]

okay but imagine if you did

[light quarry]

imagining

[balmy condor]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[keen raven]

whispyr

rogue only kill

lets do it

XD

[balmy condor]

okay, without sudden demise, you're able to do ~180k, with sudden demise and your guild ignoring, you're doing ~200k

right

now put that imaginating aside

imagine how many adds are on l'ura

do you think, you can create that gap

with the amount of adds that exist

[light quarry]

i think i have what it takes whispyr

arent u believing in me

im going to live up to my name

[balmy condor]

I gotta be honest ratfart, I do not believe in your abilities here

[light quarry]

[sharp viper]

@balmy condorhow valuable is CT in phase 2 and onwards on alleria? there's plenty of adds to spread bleeds too but i dunno how much benefit we gain from that? no scent, improved poisons or longer garrote as alternatives

[light quarry]

u will be begging for my tech when u see me on rank 1

[golden loom]

just play caustic only on alleria

[lusty kraken]

how come sudden demise became weak this expansion? is it because CT is not a bleed anymore?

[severe meadow]

CT buns on alleria

[sharp viper]

already am

[golden loom]

gucci gang

[balmy condor]

on vael? mama mia, we're just RNG gambling who gets the sudden demise proc

[balmy condor]

they nerfed it

[worn geyser]

https://klipy.com/gifs/potion-seller-1

[balmy condor]

people love to think sudden demise sucks because no CT bleed

but then just kinda forget that the number just actually went down from 15% to 10%

[golden loom]

I was competing with 4 devourer DH's in the pug I killed dragons in..

[balmy condor]

you nerf a talent by 33% and it kinda sucks

[light quarry]

@balmy condor ur also missing the massive gain from sudden demise on prio target

u need to do more research on this

[golden loom]

play deathstalker sudden demise on lura and make the people believe

[light quarry]

i might do this

just out of spite

[keen raven]

oh sht true tech

[balmy condor]

what does this mean

[severe meadow]

We should be on Lura this week, I’m doing it

[light quarry]

sudden demise execute for lura in BOTH P3 AND P4 BTW

people forget about this tech

[balmy condor]

why would sudden demise factor into prio

[light quarry]

it would proc

[balmy condor]

proc what

[golden loom]

LMAO

[light quarry]

damage

[balmy condor]

oh like on the boss itself

big

[light quarry]

yes

2 times

[golden loom]

yeah just execute the 1b hp boss

[light quarry]

bet u didnt factor that into ur math

[balmy condor]

let me run the numbers again

yeah its ass

[light quarry]

2 times sudden demise > execute dmg

[golden loom]

you can also use the crimson vial talent after u kill 1 of the luras

did u think about that whispyr

[light quarry]

100 log dmg and healing inbound

[golden loom]

its goated for hps logs

[balmy condor]

okay now we're cooking

an extra defensive?

[golden loom]

for a phase were u only need to stay alive

[light quarry]

ok so i think the tech is, sudden demise, DS, crimmy talent > 100s all across the board

[worn geyser]

also when u demise the crystals

[golden loom]

wait true its actually crazy good

[worn geyser]

u could be pumping out crazy vials every crystal set

[light quarry]

see

now people are starting to believe

[golden loom]

thats what I've always said about crimson vial, its a crazy defensive!

[light quarry]

the crimson vial value alone is crazy

its like a 5th healer in p1

now they just need to make it free so it dosnt feel bad pressing it

[worn geyser]

or off the gcd perhaps might be cool

[golden loom]

Unironically tho, implacable is very nice on lura

while ur waiting for it to drop u have time to look around the arena

[keen raven]

whats the talent page for runnin sudden demise anyways

[light quarry]

playing lura the scenic way

[light quarry]

whispyr is trying to hide the 100s log tech from the public, after our conversation i will get banned

[keen raven]

just add me to the secret tech chat

i wont share

i just wana blast/test keys

[light quarry]

maybe a secret 100 log discord for ass only

blackmarket for talent builds

[keen raven]

get me in coach

ill send my ekittens feet pics for access

[light quarry]

[worn geyser]

for keys from wow head FB CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmlZmNDGAAAAAYWGsNDAAAAAottZmZmZmxYmZmZbYmZYGzMzMzMmxYAMwCMjRjZBktBsZsBYmZwA

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmlZmNDGAAAAAYWGsNDAAAAAottZmZmZmxYmZmZbYmZYGzMzMzMmxYA2MLDMglglhJwwixmZGgBD -- DS

ill take my feet pics via dm please

[keen raven]

ur banned

[light quarry]

gg lucky count ur days

[static glacier]

Classic, tbh idk what it’s like now post nerf

Likely doesn’t matter when pot is sent, egg dps check is lower

[light quarry]

is someone here actually progging lura atm

[worn geyser]

a few people ye, like whispyr me , i think uwucutegirl idk for sure tho

[light quarry]

can u test my sudden demise teory for 1 pull

[balmy condor]

No

[light quarry]

i wanna see p1 dmg

[worn geyser]

not a chance

[light quarry]

bunch of haters

[worn geyser]

my guild is 1 crystal carriers locking in away from kill and i might have an stroke if my kill pull is with sudden demise on

[coral pivot]

You better lock in and get into a guild doing L'ura prog and test it yourself

[light quarry]

like my kill, i fucked my cds up as sub and i stopped caring, it was kill....

im so sad

[light quarry]

we have killed it

i will next reclear

[balmy condor]

Play sub like a normal person

[coral pivot]

Ah, fair fair

[balmy condor]

If you want p1 damage

[light quarry]

but i really hate current sub playstyle

:(

[coral pivot]

I've seen a lot of rogues just playing outlaw on it

[light quarry]

i did that too in the beginning

but outlaw wasnt ideal for seed carry

[coral pivot]

Are you seed carry?

[light quarry]

i was devourer that went rogue because our rogue got complications

[coral pivot]

Aah, fair

[light quarry]

i was kept all my devourer positions

[coral pivot]

That sounds demonic

[light quarry]

it was rough

outlaw had to many buttons and to little uptime

😭

[coral pivot]

Yea, sub isn't punished hard for downtime

Just as long as you get your 7 seconds of uptime for dance

[light quarry]

yeye, it was only at some situations it was rough

cant blame my pos for my bad kill log, can blame me stopping playing like a human for some reason

first pull of the night was kill, it was very unexpected

[coral pivot]

Crazy they wouldn't figure out a different way to solve the rogue issue tho

[light quarry]

the thing is i was rogue at start of tier, our devourer wanted to go rogue and i wanted to go devourer

ive been all over the place

and now im back on rogue (good)

[coral pivot]

Why didn't leadership just go "Ideally we want you to wait until end of prog for this change"

But still, when you lost the rogue on L'ura, it would probably have been better to just keep you on devourer for prog and play without a rogue

[light quarry]

ye we had that convo aswell, but i was fine with going rogue

[balmy condor]

Tormenting my mental (bad)

[light quarry]

i will find worse techs to @ u with dont worry

[worn geyser]

should bring back the zeross build

[light quarry]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2775114548?t=00h26m06s

i will say, proccing this song on my kill was very cool

[coral pivot]

That is just fate

[light quarry]

it was a random playlist, god knew

[worn geyser]

does simc latest have the DS buffs already included?

[coral pivot]

Good kill time because those starsplinters going out were criminal lmao

[light quarry]

i know 😭

we were super safe tho, 2 p4 pulls felt great

[golden loom]

Holy swedish raidleading sounds cooked

[soft spruce]

Someone can Help me with m+ 6? new player here

[light quarry]

it is cooked

[coral pivot]

Yea, didn't have them going through so well

[light quarry]

our first p4 was sub 30%, our biggest issue was p1

we had sooo many p1 wipes

[coral pivot]

I think we got you beat on P1 wipes

[golden loom]

Kom igen gubbar nu pushar vi damage! Alla cooldowns!

[analog hedge]

oui

[real pike]

I would have done this last night tbh

[coral pivot]

Our first one was 15% as well, but we had a lot of 15% and even some 80%s because people were criminal on the starsplinters

[real pike]

Not there on Weds

[light quarry]

yeah first wipe we literally didnt kill because we werent in melee and melees got greedy

me included

[coral pivot]

There should also have been a call to be further in though. Chances are you would not have killed had all of you been out of melee

[light quarry]

ye, i think it was just first time p4 stress, was fixed after that

[coral pivot]

Yea, tends to happen first time you reach a mechanic

We mostly just had people mess up Starsplinters and then not having immunities for dog soaking

[light quarry]

yeah p4 is the easiest phase on the fight imo (maybe not now after nerfs idk)
but it gets automatically a bit harder because the ''kill nerves'' come, some people play really bad when that happens

[coral pivot]

Yea

[light quarry]

i will say tho lura was a banger boss

[coral pivot]

It's very well designed tbh. Because it looks stressful

[light quarry]

yeah, its a perfect p4/secret phase

[coral pivot]

Lura was awesome, ye. My only frustrations with it was just that we ended up having multiple roster issues with having to swap some around because people couldn't come etc, and then some straggles having issues with glaives etc

[light quarry]

yeah, we had 2 raids without evokers, it was rough

[coral pivot]

Which would have been a lot less bad if they would just admit they can make mistakes instead of staying silent, blaming it on glaives being invisible, or macros not working for the memory game

[light quarry]

yeah we were really stuck in p1/p2 jail for a long time untill our criminals woke up, was great after that

people dont realize u dont have to stand under boss to hit him as melee

[coral pivot]

We had a time with intermission issues because a non seed carry felt he shouldn't be close to the boss to give space for the seed carry behind him

Funny enough. Instead of moving closer to the boss to give space, he ended up just hugging another healer

[light quarry]

yeah, some phases we had really easy time, i1 and like p3 was never a big issue for us, our biggest issue was getting there because p1 😭

[tepid slate]

Yo guys pardon me but i looked and couldn't find, is there any "common" macro list for rogue ?

[coral pivot]

In general we could have played a lot better. We lost a ton of world ranks if it wasn't for overtiming, which we did because raid leader's wife was due mid prog and a healer had to have surgery

[worn geyser]

do yall know why the little dog just goes straight thru my tank into our person that has the starsplinter? do they need to taunt them or? they like ran into them but the dog just ignored them lmao

[light quarry]

!macros

gg only a sub thing

[coral pivot]

Our prog on thursday that healer was just zoinked out of his mind on pain killers lol

[light quarry]

was he jumping

because thats a thing

[worn geyser]

tbh i do not know but lowkey it kinda looks like he is

[light quarry]

yeah thats why im asking

hard to tell

they dont get soaked if u jump, both with the hammer mechanic or just in general

[worn geyser]

thats insane

w game

[light quarry]

i have no idea if it is the case with some abilities aswell, but i only know jumping is criminal in p4

[worn geyser]

this the only p4 pull we had and the dog unfortunately hit the starsplinter person so it was like mega cooked

the second dog also moves to the tank there then just 90 degree bee lines for our monk

[light quarry]

😭 actually worst case scenario

[worn geyser]

truly, people were mad heated after that cause they thought the person just didnt move it was like an episode of maury for like 5 minutes after

actually cooked

[light quarry]

understandable tho

[worn geyser]

yeah i suppose i dunno, i just went in with the expectation the team is gonna fuck it up a few times the first go around but ye adrenaline high gets alot of people going

[light quarry]

yeah, lura is a big mindset boss since p1 can be criminally rough some nights

[worn geyser]

yeah, we had a night of consistent p2s/p3s then the next day we had 1 wipe make it out of intermission it was agonizing

[light quarry]

(we oneshot him the night after)

[coral pivot]

We mostly just had the same people die to glaives on P1

[cosmic sundial]

hey guys, i'm coming back on assa, i just did mythic chimerus and i was wondering if there is a place where i could put my logs and get some help please :)

[normal mist]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[light quarry]

u can do !log and post it in there

[cosmic sundial]

okay thank you ! <3

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[light quarry]

or is it !log + link

[cosmic sundial]

oh ok wait

[worn geyser]

i cannot lie and say i havent died to glaives but i s2g its a boredom thing its hard to stay that locked in all night when nothing is going on at all, at least when the fight was harder u could focus on good defensive usage or something

[cosmic sundial]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BAqhYFj6LMv8d7Pc?fight=last&type=damage-done (bouh)

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[light quarry]

wtf

[normal mist]

Usually we are the ones opening the threads

[light quarry]

is that an outlaw only thing

oh my bad

[cosmic sundial]

outlaw better ?

all good

[normal mist]

I can't read logs so just wait for someone to help you out

[cosmic sundial]

okay thanks ! i'm gonna look at wowanalyzer in meanwhile

[worn geyser]

tbh the biggest thing u can do is go down an extra time using cloak

that is worth alot of dps

soak first, cloak 2nd rift, stay up in intermission, go down again after intermission, execute boss

[golden loom]

u dont even need to stay up in intermission

u can just cheat death it going down the 3rd time

[cosmic sundial]

oh i see, so i just soak all first 3 soaks ? x)

if i'm in first group soaking ofc

[worn geyser]

well depending on if you are supposed to be up or down in intermission u can do either one

just always soak first 2

[cosmic sundial]

kk i see

yeah that's a lot of dps gain

[balmy condor]

We shut it down in assa because we don’t have the people to run infinite log reviews for every schmuck on the street

[light quarry]

valid

does it work in sub?

[balmy condor]

Probably idk

[light quarry]

so what ur saying is assa mains arent passionate enough

[balmy condor]

All I know is that for a long ass time, we had 80%+ threads get no replies

Across the 3 specs

And I said we ain’t making a thread graveyard in assa

And turned it off

[main bobcat]

please review my log whispyr I need to be better

[light quarry]

we should open !log threads again so i can spread my sudden demise tech to the public

[golden loom]

u can just send the log anyways

aint nothing smart ever being said here anyways

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Idk

It’s either send log and if someone’s around that can do it, gg

Or open the !log shit again

And post your log in a pre-made garbage can no one is going to read or respond to either

[worn geyser]

theres a few other small things here and there like here you should envenom after the kb, or the second one you want the envenom to be right before puzzle to make sure you can get off another envenom before envenom buff falls off, but like honestly most of the stuff is pretty unimportant compared to the going down thing tho

[cosmic sundial]

yeah for the envenom before puzzle it's mb wasn't paying attention, but the first one, rupture was about to expire because i messed up, should i have just sent envenom then rupture afterwards or rupture shouldn't be a thing after kingsbane ?

[worn geyser]

I personally would send the rupture if it actually is gonna be falling off mid kb but i would still treat it kinda as a mistake since you ideally shouldnt have to do that but i am not sure if its even an impactful loss

on the rupture you sent before the garrote was it not a 5cp rupture?

[cosmic sundial]

was on the add i believe , i'm bot sure

but i think if the mob isn't going to live for more than 6 sec then i shouldn't have put the rupture, it's mb no ?

[worn geyser]

it was on boss

[cosmic sundial]

then it wasn't 5cp+ i guess if i had to re use it :/

[worn geyser]

then ye prolly would just send 1 extra mut there before the rupture fixes all that

[cosmic sundial]

okay thanks

won't make that mistake again x)

[hollow dirge]

you better.

[worn geyser]

ye its like ingrained to not wanna reapply dots during kb for me, but with FB i think its less important than before when we had the shiv nature buff and stuff idk, still a good habit to have but it probably doesnt matter as much now whispyr would know better

[golden loom]

you have always been able to just reapply during cds

[golden loom]

doesnt really matter

[hollow dirge]

its way more important for them not to drop. main advantage of more envenoms into deathmark kb is the 10% dmg buff, not the envenom uptime, as kb stacks are capped during deathmark even if you're afking for the time

[golden loom]

like you dont wanna re-apply a rupture before pandemic just cause ur going into cds

so if u have 18 seconds of rupture going and ur cds come up, you press cds

and then u have to reapply rupture during them at some point, which can also overlap with dropping implac which is nice

[worn geyser]

maybe i need the log review more than zero tf, but ye def more important to not drop them, i just thought reapplying to not have to refresh during CDS was always slightly better but im cooked ig

[hollow dirge]

it is better, but no real need to refresh before pandemic, unless it's like a sec or two pre pandemic

[worn geyser]

i see thats what i do already, like if its like 12 seconds or more left on rupture i dont really touch it , but like 8 seconds im down to refresh

[golden loom]

I mean you can think like this - its 1 extra envenom during cds (when u have the buff going anyways which is the important part for kingsbane) -> but if u start re-freshing ruptures early that is energy/combo points wasted which actually leads to less envenoms aswell

and by early I ofc mean pre-pandemic 😄

[worn geyser]

ye i mean that makes sense, im not really freshing like that early, but like if im boutta go into cds and my rupture is at like a 8 or whatever ill refresh before cds cause the extra envenom outweighs it ye

[balmy condor]

Since I have been a theorycrafter there has never been a situation where we have wanted to purposefully refresh rupture going into a cooldown window

Well, to get more envenoms

That was a thing with exsang obviously

But that’s cause it was exsang

[worn geyser]

so even like 2 seconds early before pandemic window you wouldnt refresh so you dont have to do it mid DM/KB ?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[worn geyser]

that is crazy, how does 2 seconds worth of rupture outweigh a envenom with CD buffs i believe u my brain is just fried by that

[balmy condor]

We didn’t do it with shiv when it was 30%

We sure as shit ain’t doin it when it’s 10% now

[worn geyser]

welp im scoops competition for 2nd loa of misinformation ig

[balmy condor]

We do spam envenoms during the 10% tho

That’s good stuff

But I’ve never gotten a pre-cd rupture refresh to be worth it

[worn geyser]

well, with that in mind like for example on like lura, if rupture is going to need to be freshed mid crystals spawning so you lose on envenom cast, you wouldnt refresh on like 9 or something even with caustic value making the envenom even more valuable?

[marsh fjord]

That was a big habit of mine when i started to play assa

[balmy condor]

People have been doing it since the dawn of time and try and I might, over multiple expansions and tiers and 3 reworks to assa

Hasn’t been a thing

[balmy condor]

No

[worn geyser]

that is insane

[runic hinge]

What if we had a 4th rework

[balmy condor]

Then maybe they would finally not half-ass the 3rd

[spice surge]

Grats, you now have haste breakpoints like the other rogue specs

[golden loom]

just get 1100 haste

[runic hinge]

I hope it’s a haste break point for exsang

[worn geyser]

i dont understand like, so like even if it doesnt make you add a rupture cast over the course of the fight, how is it more valuable that is cooked

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

It’s not valuable enough to make a noticeable difference

Like could you invent a situation where it’s more damage on paper, sure

What if rupture is 0.00001 seconds out of pandemic

Haha fucking gotten

Now surely

But like

If it’s not a gain that’s actually measurable, it ain’t a gain

[worn geyser]

ima just press my little buttons when they light up for pandemic then gg even less to worry about , in my head I guess the value of them was not alligned with reality

[balmy condor]

The sim does 50 thousand pulls of a boss and goes yeh it’s 0.1% maybe idk I can’t decide

Then a human who is going to fuck it up

Definitely cannot tell, and will make it not 0.1%

[frosty cedar]

just like the glorious 100 dps 0.1% gain to press shiv on fatebound at very specific times

[balmy condor]

Pandemic’s purpose to exist is so that we precisely do not have to do this whole dance

[balmy condor]

Brother what the fuck are you talking about

[cosmic sundial]

oh yeah, talking about shiv, shiv doesn't exists anymore since it's not like at tww right ?

[balmy condor]

It’s an enrage dispel now and that’s about it

[frosty cedar]

bro I might be cooking again but I got 100dps on the sim by pressing shiv on fatebound

1. if you have improved ambush
2. if you are not in deathmark
3. if you are not in execute
4. if you are at 4cp with blindside proc ready

it pressed it 3 TIMES

thats 30 dps PER SHIV my man

[cosmic sundial]

sad life, thanks

[cosmic sundial]

i love how passionate players can be oO

[balmy condor]

The margin of error on a sim is plus minus 56 you’re a fucking idiot

[golden loom]

Thats the goat

Tight spender clears ur shiv tho (I have converted)

[frosty cedar]

lets fucking go!!!

[balmy condor]

15 conditionals to press an extra button and it’s in margin of error

Big

[frosty cedar]

now thats what I call big

okay its actually 121 dps and the margin is 55 so it COULD be 11 dps

when you put it like THAT

[marsh fjord]

I kinda mis shivving tho

Was nice in your DM windows

every 8 seconds

[balmy condor]

Add it to the sim NOW

[frosty cedar]

maybe I should tell skoop so we can brainrot a new generation

[keen raven]

Add it to the pins

lock it in

[balmy condor]

Secret 10 dps optimization if you obey this 6 step process

[frosty cedar]

im gonna start doing it and hope for some rank 1s so someone will come in here in a few weeks and ask why the fuck im using shiv

[balmy condor]

Too late, some dipshit from China already doing it except his makes even less sense

[golden loom]

if I run a 40 second heavy movement sim will it start throwing poisoned knives

[keen raven]

and then u lose to an envenom crit

[frosty cedar]

what the FUCK

[frosty cedar]

one day the poisoned knife optimisation will hit the server

[balmy condor]

I think he’s legit just slamming it at 4cp

[frosty cedar]

lmao

[balmy condor]

Like even in execute

If he gets to 4 he hits shiv

[frosty cedar]

he is cooking

[worn geyser]

🔥

[keen raven]

chinese op

[balmy condor]

It was like a rank 6 Vorasius or something

[golden loom]

vorasius is a fake boss anyways

[frosty cedar]

tight spender is better for me anyway so I cant do it unfortunately

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah that’s the big issue here

[keen raven]

btw whispyr i presume haste gains a lot more value with deathstalker? do we have any idea of stat goals with the buffs for situations

[balmy condor]

Just swap the flask

Or don’t

Doesn’t really matter

[keen raven]

👍

[frosty cedar]

flaskweave in cds

[balmy condor]

We’re swapping like 100ish stats optimally

[golden loom]

flaskweave mastery in execute

[whole skiff]

Why doesn't this work?

[balmy condor]

Somewhere around there

[whole skiff]

/castsequence reset=10 [@focus] Shadowstep, [@focus] Kick, [@target] Shadowstep```

[frosty cedar]

teleports behind u ahh macro

[balmy condor]

okay I think that’s my cue that it’s time for bed

[frosty cedar]

cya

im telling people about shiv while your gone

[balmy condor]

My eyes glazed over halfway through that macro

Someone else’s problem to deal with

[golden loom]

one day I will get a 99 on vorasius @frosty cedar ...

[frosty cedar]

lmao bro are you playing the whole circus

[golden loom]

currently leveling the next clown

[frosty cedar]

jesus christ

[golden loom]

might just not play outlaw tho idk this shit kinda stinks

[frosty cedar]

outlaw is stinky as hell

[worn geyser]

i played it for the first time since legion today for 2 keys and i wish i had my gold back from crafting that sword

[keen raven]

i love losing 20-30% of dps cus of rng

🙂

IMO remove roll the bones

[worn geyser]

imo remove the spec

[frosty cedar]

thats right, we should have gotten the ranged spec...

[analog field]

spec is fun and all the things it has are fun , the variance should be lowered

[hollow dirge]

double shotgun pirate. ok. i'm all ears. mid range rogue does make more sense than just a random purple dh

[golden loom]

devourer dh is kinda popping

havoc is just cooler tho

[hollow dirge]

oh fotm on the new spec/class is not exactly a novelty in wow haha

[worn geyser]

I actually dont mind the rtb gameplay as much as that like it has a bunch of CDS in the current iteration, if stuff like ks had talent alternatives that were tuned better it might actually be fun

[golden loom]

outside of fotm I think its cool

[hollow dirge]

it's not bad, for a dh 😄

[hollow escarp]

Just set VPN to Belgium and you're guaranteed Jackpot

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor

Typical that he promotes his crypto and took outlaw

[grim jay]

yeah we should really kill 2 rogue specs

just for the sake of it

[runic hinge]

me too

[royal lantern]

i love making numbers up

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[marsh fjord]

you making what up?

[normal mist]

Making ... you? Up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1468241542375411886/BelfRogueHappyDance.gif

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/mommy-dance-dancing-grandma-floss-gif-8359016448227801777

[cedar ocean]

anywhere i could get a good tricks macro to target tank & then target prev target?

[analog hedge]

i uuh, just set my tank as the focus and use the tricks on focus macro

[spice surge]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[cedar ocean]

thank you

[cerulean burrow]

hey question ... what talent build is best for dragons fight ?

the regular raid one or ?

because its aoe is there a more ideal talent build for it ?

[analog field]

m+ probably

[solar wyvern]

Not its about that perma 2 buff sometimes 1 buff rng is about 80-85k dps in keys while jackpot/triple is 110-120k

Seems 25ish% to mr

[snow kindle]

Also when it happens can be so painful

[solar wyvern]

I dont think ive has a single emberdawn ive rolled more than 2 on in a few weeks

Just the most heal intensive boss of windrunner

Cant do dam

[turbid yacht]

There's specific builds:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/midnight-season-1-raid-tips
Check the dragons section, or use archon
https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/assassination/rogue/raid/overview/mythic/vaelgor-ezzorak

[solar wyvern]

Unlucky we aee an extra intermission!

[hazy sundial]

On Vorasius, kb de-syncs with dm for everyone or am i messing something up

Mythic

[analog field]

you just send KB on boss

and you don't care about adds

you can check lorrgs too

when people are sending cd's

[hazy sundial]

Right, but my kb comes up during adds

[analog field]

you don't care about adds, you don't even need caustic spatter on this fight

[coral ibex]

melee should not have to go back to hit adds unless they get fixated

[analog field]

especially this late, although if you are progging vora maybe you just take ct and spatter and go hit adds , who cares about parse

[hazy sundial]

We got out first kill on vora today

[marsh fjord]

Also some people use there vanish when they get targeted

so it goes on someone else

so you can stay boss

[analog field]

I really think that if your guild progs vora at the moment you can spare 10 sec and go help with adds

[marsh fjord]

I really do think but a bit of min max advice cant help 😄

[spare kayak]

Are there any shroud skips in MC on +18-20?

[shy creek]

The bridge is a good place to do some shroud skips

[spare kayak]

Are there any early skips that you know of?

[shy creek]

Not particularly, you do have a head requirement here because of the prisoners

Im sure u could come up with one if u really wanted to do one, but the justification would have to be there

which ig depnds on what u and ur group is looking for

[royal lantern]

Justification: the enemys are poop to fight

[storm forum]

i think it's doable with sap/rop/mind soothe/etc if you wait for the pat, but my friends like to shroud skip the end of the right upstairs area before the cliff. we get the hut with 2 prisoners and pull all the animals around it and then shroud past the group in the middle of the pavilion-ish area with patrols on the edge of the cliff and we jump off on the side where it meets the mountain on the right.

[mortal linden]

Is it okay to macro Kingsbane with Deathmark? Also what is use case for Poisoned Knife in rotation?

[quiet star]

rogue experience - I will get Gaze next week x3
dk expirience first week

[plain thistle]

you cant and no

[mortal linden]

No?

And is it cause one is not off GCD or something or is it energy cost?

[plain thistle]

yes, both on gcd

[mortal linden]

Gotcha so in regards to Poisoned Knife what do I do with that lol

Just take it off of bars?

[plain thistle]

you technically can do a cast sequence macro, but I wouldnt recomend it

[plain thistle]

we dont use on rotation, you can use to tag mobs that are not in melee range

[mortal linden]

Gotcha gotcha so it is Assassination's Heroic Throw

[normal mist]

basically, yeah

[royal lantern]

why do you have only 1 weapon

[golden loom]

Well its worse cause it costs energy

[royal lantern]

and its 100% less heroic

[golden loom]

The only use case for it currenly is like alleria intermission or transmog content

[solar wyvern]

If u watched the maisara 24 route you would have seen the bear stealth past everything to do a big snap. U can use shroud with a non bear tank to get the same effect

[quiet star]

not fury I guess

[royal lantern]

i thought its a rogue tbh

[quiet star]

dk expirience first week

[royal lantern]

ah yes

DK

you unlocked the Easy mode of WoW

[quiet star]

https://tenor.com/view/easy-peasy-billy-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-lemon-squeezy-gif-25925173

[royal lantern]

i love watching the Lura Glaives just go trought the DPS DK

and they lose like

40% hp while not moving

[spare kayak]

yeah thats also a good one if i understand it

[spare kayak]

ill check it, thank you

[grave nova]

17AA, is this off?

[balmy condor]

that's a lot of garrote and rupture

would expect to see gar/rup like 3ish% lower each and have caustic/envenom take up the slack

generally caustic/garrote are around equal

[grave nova]

im probably over pressing tempest

[balmy condor]

that shouldn't really be possible unless you're just not pressing envenom

we press CT until everything has bleeds

[grave nova]

i know the first pull i just didnt press envenom at all

[severe meadow]

A 16 I did

[balmy condor]

dawg what

what do you mean

[severe meadow]

wait what

[grave nova]

dont you want to tempest spam on packs that die quickly?

[severe meadow]

no lol

you press envenom

[balmy condor]

you still finish on 5 for envenom obviously

[plain thistle]

damn, how much combo point was wasted on that pull

[severe meadow]

a lot

xd

[balmy condor]

hundreds

[grave nova]

like 1-2 teas worth of energy

[severe meadow]

bro thinking of the energy and not damage

[grave nova]

is there ever a point where you skip envenom and only press cp?

[severe meadow]

no

[balmy condor]

oh my god

I found it

[severe meadow]

LOL

[plain thistle]

hey, he did used envenom

[grave nova]

lmao yeah

[balmy condor]

I'm crying

[severe meadow]

holy moly

[grave nova]

so then thats a big no no, got it

[fallow canopy]

[plain thistle]

yeah, envenom is a big damage skill

[balmy condor]

yeah it's just about the worst thing you could do

[grave nova]

idk where i got the info to just tempest spam

i think a youtube video

[balmy condor]

from beta?

[grave nova]

also saw pikaboo do it in spire

[fallow canopy]

Idk why but during ptr that was something that was said for like a week

[severe meadow]

Did it have 17 views and from 5 months ago

[fallow canopy]

But for some reason every week someone mentionsh it

[balmy condor]

since when does pikaboo play pve

[severe meadow]

He doing keys

sometimes

[balmy condor]

wild

[grave nova]

i found the video

[golden loom]

Hes been kinda cooking this season

[severe meadow]

and unfortunately poisoning peoples minds with it

[grave nova]

https://youtu.be/YTQIyN6VmTY?si=7i4IY-uCAT9ltnjm&t=45
at 45 seconds

[golden loom]

Pikaboo is 3,6k score

My goat

[grave nova]

@balmy condor i already saw your comment in this dudes video about all 3 specs, you wrote a book

[balmy condor]

yeah......

he uh

[severe meadow]

hes only pushed high keys on sub

[balmy condor]

he's a nice guy at least

that's what I'll say

can't say anything bad about his personality

the actual info he is putting out though

questionable