assassination

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461330242456256512/1497366676692402327/9qx5f3k.gif

[lavish hazel]

ok guys

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-meme-wilfrosty-mr-fresh-wr7oA0rSjnWuiLJOY5

[lavish hazel]

dont do it ever again

[radiant aspen]

https://imgur.com/EVRehLn

[lavish hazel]

LMFAO

[haughty flicker]

[storm forum]

Beat the tank, looking good

[radiant aspen]

im telling ya

[solid hemlock]

"no skyfury"

[radiant aspen]

ds is just bad no buff will make it good

[worn geyser]

yo u almost made ds look playable

[radiant aspen]

idea of hero talant is bad

[waxen oyster]

its just tuned low

[storm forum]

Also wanna say, rly diluting ur ceo title with the teal name and OL spells next to ur name

[radiant aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cricky-flouride-stare-agartha-whitemonstergang-flouride-gif-11418389775457402751

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/rlp-wow-first-time-ruby-life-pools-gif-12421336083863104124

[night delta]

damn this gif is funny

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/uayJqzl

[marsh fjord]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783130420413202442/1430546217762426930/ezgif-2d18c8f8c1e57a.gif

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/RhnxLCR

[worthy bloom]

Switched first time in my life to nelf. How people uses Shadowmeld and in what situations? Just a noob asking for a tips and help xD Especially in raids and m+ higher keys

[balmy condor]

in raids you don't use it ever

in m+ it can cause certain targeted abilities to fizzle

or you can use it on trash packs to restealth

sometimes

when it feels like it

and doesn't fail

[versed mica]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/121880935951106048/1054693009918275604/giphy.gif

[balmy condor]

and you don't take damage

and you aren't like on top of enemies

and you wait for like 1 second

but if it works when it works sometimes then you get an extra improved garrote cast

[night delta]

loved the slippy-slidy boss

[marsh fjord]

Some people turn there back against the pack to make it work

dont ask me why

[balmy condor]

yeah that's cope

but who knows

maybe doing a rain dance

will make it work

[marsh fjord]

I saw casual doing it lastr season a lot in halls.

[obsidian kettle]

Pelliper be like

[marsh fjord]

by turning his back

[balmy condor]

some people believe in god, some people believe in allah, some people believe 9/11 was a hoax

I choose to believe meld will function

[marsh fjord]

I believe in you

[obsidian kettle]

Why anyone goes anything but mechagnome on this class is beyond me

[night delta]

I believe in Joe Pesci

[worthy bloom]

Ohh 😮 so extra vanish is useless basically?

[night delta]

looks like a dependable fellow

[obsidian kettle]

I believe in Joe Hendry

[thorn thorn]

aintnoway

[balmy condor]

it's not an extra vanish, you have to press meld, then go into stealth

and since you can't stealth

on raid/dungeon bosses

you don't get anything out of it

[marsh fjord]

just remove improved garrote

[worthy bloom]

Ohh.. 🙁

[marsh fjord]

and never speak about it again

[night delta]

what's meld cooldown ?

[worthy bloom]

2min

[versed mica]

2 min

[marsh fjord]

2 min

[night delta]

yeah I can see why it doesn't function as a straight up vanish

that'd be kinda wierd design-space wise

[hollow escarp]

because the racial is not designed around rogue

[versed mica]

I just wish racials were just flavor. I'm dark iron bc I lub dem, but I'd prefer to have stoneform instead of fireblood

[night delta]

aren't they practically the same thing ?

just a dmg amp instead of a tanking amp

[thorn thorn]

no

not even a little bit

[versed mica]

Do you know what is though? The extra racial night elves get that increase stealth movement speed

[night delta]

with the debuff clear being the main thing

[thorn thorn]

Stoneform is only bleeds

[hollow escarp]

Or druid

[thorn thorn]

Fireblood clears everything that isnt un-removable

[marsh fjord]

Doesnt stoneform also gives a DR?

or did they remove that

[versed mica]

False, both remove everything

[night delta]

damn talk about having the short straw

[night delta]

or not ?

dunno who to believe

where's the Loa of Disinfo when you need them

[thorn thorn]

Oh right I forgor they buffed it

[versed mica]

Both remove all removable debuff types, one gives 10% dmg red, one gives avi per removed debuff

The issue is I feel like I need to use fireblood with my 2min cds rather than use it to remove debuffs

[night delta]

yeah, so both kinda have the same use case anyway

[versed mica]

While stoneform is just a defensive, and I get 2% more crit damage

[marsh fjord]

here you go boys

[versed mica]

So it's either I do less damage with my racial bc I don't line it with cds to remove a debuff, or I just use it with cds and don't get the defensive part of it

[thorn thorn]

Stoneform is better

[worthy bloom]

Also this:

[versed mica]

Regular dwarf gets full damage racial and full defensive racial while fireblood gets it mixed in one button

[night delta]

Whereas we bloodelves have an active that is woefully irrelevant in 99% of situations

I really miss the mass interupt

[latent kernel]

So if the impact of mark sniping with deathstalker is unknown, it’s possible that with good execution it puts itself ahead of fate bound then?

[thorn thorn]

Just play voidelf and have a blink on a 3m cd

[versed mica]

Those aren't specifically for rogue though

[versed mica]

Mass dispell is so much better though imo

[storm forum]

I think in keys, if you get good value from funnel and/or ur sick with reset sniping, you'll pull ahead of FB

[drowsy hollow]

Could be worse. Imagine being undead

[versed mica]

One problem: I hate elves

[night delta]

I mean, sure, when they design encounters where that matters

atm not much

[drowsy hollow]

Literal 0.1% damage racial.

[latent kernel]

This is just a vibe statement though correct

[thorn thorn]

real

[versed mica]

A long time ago it used to proc of dots which made it good, but then they nerfed it

[night delta]

at least mass kick is useful semi-frequently

[drowsy hollow]

I'm not sure why the undead racial has been bugged for 5 years

[versed mica]

Bugged? It's a feature lmao

[storm forum]

Yeah, I haven't tested it yet, and sniping isn't in sims yet, and iirc dslice doesn't have insane hero pulls like we see on live where we'd get giga funnel value deleting prio mobs

[latent kernel]

Hot take, buff the fuck out of death stalkers mark, tie it to deathmark application, and give us a 2 min single target nuke

[versed mica]

Just make racials flavor I beg

[night delta]

PoS / SR 1st pull be like brrrr

[storm forum]

Also if you'd get defensive benefits from DS buffing evasion and cloak

That's not in logs either

[latent kernel]

Do you know if the build we’d be running in deathstalker would be the same as the fate bound build talent wise?

[storm forum]

I assume it would be the same

[drowsy hollow]

But undead make such cool rogues otherwise

[versed mica]

Wowhead guide has the builds for each

[night delta]

It's not like deathstalker really shifts the paradigm

we always prefer to stick to 1 main target anyway

DS just makes it mandatory

[latent kernel]

True but wasn’t sure if deathstalker buffs changed any breaking points for certain talents in rogue tree

[storm forum]

FB extra resources feels so much better than DS too. Swapping back to DS to try this is going to feel like such crap.

[latent kernel]

Making other stuff worth taking

[versed mica]

With new bleed spreading making blizz reduce bleed damage and reduce energy regen has really made sin lose its cleave

[night delta]

yeah the constant flow of energy feels better than some shots from here and there

[latent kernel]

Cleave meaning how many targets? 2-3

?

[versed mica]

Yea

[night delta]

yeah, council fights are no longer an energy extravaganza

[storm forum]

DS funnel probably makes fatal conc even better than secondary poisoning

[severe meadow]

Paladins

[versed mica]

Paladins is such a lame fight

[severe meadow]

me when I'm a council fight

[night delta]

best council fight I ever did imo were the elemental council in Vault of the Incarnates

[versed mica]

They even killed outlaw 2-3 tar cleave too

[night delta]

such a fun council fight

[versed mica]

For like no reason

[solar wyvern]

Flying daggers

[severe meadow]

Council fight from Nathria was fun imo

Little dancey dance

[night delta]

didn't like that you weren't incentivized to cleave much

[solar wyvern]

You laugh, you laugh at 10% overall fok

[storm forum]

Wait fuck, is there a target count where flying daggers is better than either of those?

[night delta]

it was only a pseudo council fight imo

[latent kernel]

Flying daggers is genuinely terrible lol

[storm forum]

Does it buff CT or just fok?

[solar wyvern]

Just fok kekw

[storm forum]

Ok nvm

[latent kernel]

I’m not sure about target count for flying daggers but it’s a horrible talent

[storm forum]

Trash

[night delta]

they should've brought back echoing daggers from BfA azerite traits

this was fun

seeing the insane sea of numbers

[storm forum]

BfA only fan build in reaping was soooooo funny

[latent kernel]

Didn’t play it unfortunately

[night delta]

It was glorious

[storm forum]

We were so bad in m+

[night delta]

concept was FoK crits reprocced lesser FoKs

[storm forum]

Like unplayable bad

[latent kernel]

Honestly I liked the bleed build for TWW, on paper the idea of spreading a shit ton of bleeds to funnel with deathstalker sounds cool as shit

And then you play it

And sad

[severe meadow]

Bleed build ST

[marsh fjord]

I really liked how the energy was in TWW with assa

[night delta]

I liked the bleed build of BfA Ny'alotha but that's a me thing it seems

it was a different pace

[thorn thorn]

Counter point

[solid hemlock]

every iteration of a bleed build was ass

[thorn thorn]

I will take paladins everyday of the week over council of dreams

[night delta]

oh hell fuck council of dreams

Bigass room with bosses that won't stack ever

[versed mica]

Tbh fuck you for reminding me of that fight

[storm forum]

Like at 8ish targets it was better to fan than use a finisher cause we didn't have spatter yet and CT was in a terrible spot so we just took all the fan talents and maintained energy saturation DoTs and pressed fan

[thorn thorn]

duck role

[latent kernel]

This is like the equivalent of saying you like how the mana is on warlock rn lol

But it was nice to have infinite energy

[thorn thorn]

the duck never forgets

[night delta]

I was RL at that time

[thorn thorn]

I was too

[marsh fjord]

Yeah i genuinely dislike downtime

[thorn thorn]

Fight sucked

[night delta]

I was playing duck because my DPS would be ass anyway

[thorn thorn]

0/10

[solid hemlock]

i wasnt a fan of that

[thorn thorn]

Hope they never make another like it

[marsh fjord]

I like Assa a lot but i just dont want downtime.

[storm forum]

Oh yeah it was terrible

[night delta]

go afflock and force yourself to play at melee range

there ya go

Dot spec, melee, no downtime

[thorn thorn]

Play shadow and suffer

[marsh fjord]

Played unholy this season and stopped playing it to go back to rogue

[night delta]

I like the spinning plates gameplay of specs like sin, affliction

[latent kernel]

Honestly it’s shameful what they’ve done to shadow, the entire build being balanced around 1 talent as a knob is so insanely lame

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202289538932678688/1482893814376173618/X2Twitter.com_IGDTiVp5ylooUGVb_360p-ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[latent kernel]

The class is genuinely so thematically rich

And the visuals are outstanding

[thorn thorn]

Idk honestly im the minority that likes psychic link but

I dont want it being all of its aoe

It should just be like an extra fun thing you get

Keep it at 20 or 15%

Give it some actual aoe abilities

Like mindsear

[latent kernel]

I mean psychic link is essentially equivalent to blade flurry which is why I don’t play outlaw

[severe meadow]

Bring it back to 100%

[thorn thorn]

Its a bit different

Because its both unofficially targetcapped and is also ranged

[night delta]

I like the flavour of being specialized in AoE on targets that are not, in fact, grouped

[thorn thorn]

Its also why a good shadow priest is beating everyone that isnt named aff or boomkin on bosses like gemellus and council of dreams

[night delta]

fills an interesting niche

[storm forum]

I like psychic link + crash/tentacle better than like, old mind sear stuff, but it's not great.

[thorn thorn]

Because psychic link is just such a strong way to do aoe that the distance between things you need to kill can be any number that is less than 40 and shadow will be completely unaffected

[latent kernel]

It’s not the exact same but the idea of your aoe being something that just echoes your ST damage as a percentage just feels so lazy to me

[night delta]

more like 80

[thorn thorn]

40 from the priest

but yes technically 80 because circles

The issue is that shadow has literally 2 things controlling its aoe, being link and either halo or rift

And link is the only one of these that can be buffed without impacting the ST

[night delta]

yeah that's the issue

[latent kernel]

They just use link as a crutch to avoid actually balancing the spec

[thorn thorn]

correct

Its the only thing they can change without changing its st

[storm forum]

If they shifted some more of the AoE into spooky ghosts and DoTs I think people would like it better, but also I think they don't wanna do that cause that would buff their ST and they hate buffing shadow priest

[thorn thorn]

Because link is the only thing that is exclusively aoe

[night delta]

Priest should have link be significant enough to have its niche in spread AoE

[latent kernel]

Which is just so lazy because they balance every other dot class in the game fine but shadow priest they just give up

[thorn thorn]

Cant buff ghosts because that does ST

[night delta]

without relying solely on it in any AoE situation

[thorn thorn]

Link is fine they just need to accept that keeping it as the only AOE is a lost cause and they just need to add something else that isnt hero talent specific that is purely aoe

Or a button that you will only press in cleave/aoe

[latent kernel]

Yeah but saying they can’t buff stuff and then actually just not buffing things because they’re too lazy to do the calcs and sims to see how other things are affected is just lazy imo

I mean there’s literally no reason they can’t buff for damage, ghost damage, and nerf link, and then come up with some sort of way to balance it in ST

Like there’s 0 excuse

[night delta]

It would be fun if we had a talent that let us put a debuff on a target

that made it so bleeds on it would have forever duration

[thorn thorn]

They do this a lot

Thats why link gets changed every patch

[night delta]

if we aren't hitting it

[thorn thorn]

They keep trying to change the % of ST damage and the amount of AOE it gets to do with link

Spoiler alert

[night delta]

so we can just bleed up a faraway target

[thorn thorn]

If link conversion is high

The specs ST isnt doing good

[night delta]

and deal with our main while it keeps bleeding

[thorn thorn]

For the case of shadow they have desperately stuck to the niche of spread cleave being the thing it does

And to its credit shadow does do it the best assuming its not tuned trash

But you know who else does spread cleave well

[storm forum]

Also they take 60% of all nature damage we do within between 15 and 100 yards away

[thorn thorn]

🐔

[latent kernel]

Understood but the line of thinking that they change link because it’s only AOE could be applied just as easily to an ability that is strictly single target, like why not just buff DP in ST instead

Like it is essentially the same thing just backwards

Like pretty sure DP dot is strictly single target right

[night delta]

fuck, what I proposed could be a split choice with Crimson tempest

[latent kernel]

Not the upfront dmg but the for

Dot*

[night delta]

we'd have a genuine option for some situations

[thorn thorn]

You can apply it to multiple things but its a rolling periodic so there isnt a tangible gain for doing it (something like sub 0.5%)

And the only reason it isnt zero gain is just because of mastery value

This is also why BM stopped spreading barbed shot if you are packleader

Packleader doesnt take the direbeast talents, which is the only benefit to spreading barbed shot

Since as part of midnight they also made barbed shot a rolling periodic

Its just a thing that happens when you have an effect like link that makes your AOE dependant on your ST

[haughty flicker]

it does plink

its just ghosts, pain, and vt that dont plink

[thorn thorn]

They took a step in the right direction for decoupeling shadow from its link shackles with the ghost changes

[latent kernel]

I get that but my main point was that I think it’s just that specific balancing philosophy that is really the issue, I mean whatever way you do it (balance for AOE or balance for ST), picking one ability to use as a toggle switch is just lame to me personally and seems like lazy design.

Just looking at sin rogue aoe profile, you have bleeds, poisons, caustic, poison bomb, FOK, CT that all make up noticeable amounts of ur AOE profile and feel meaningful. And caustic is still similar to psychic link.

Don’t see why they can’t do something similar for shadow

[thorn thorn]

By making the chance to trigger being 22% divided by target count so it remains strong regardless of target count

they did this season but its only partially working

The ghosts currently do an enormous part of your total damage in keys

Between void apparition and regular ghosts combined they will very easily beat link

And they are also very strong in st

Issue is they are getting amped by a casual 40% from the set so this concept dies instantly once next season starts

[latent kernel]

But even so, if you look at percentage breakdowns and this might just be a personal thing, I love how on sin rogue your dmg breakdown is split between 3-4 abilities that all do 10-12% of your overall in AOE, it just feels balanced.

The ghost fix just seems like replacing plink with a different one timer even though I do think it is a step in the right direction

[thorn thorn]

its a step in the right direction

But they also lose a ton of damage once set is lost so

They did also buff halo to be strong but its still a casual 1/3rd the damage of link

[latent kernel]

So I haven’t played shadow since TWW but void apparitions and shadowy apparition are essentially the same thing right

[night delta]

bake-in the set in whatever talents and then normalize

that's what they could do

especially if the set is well-recieved and the balance checks out

[thorn thorn]

pretty much

void apparitions are part of the apex

chance for ghosts to be a void apparition that does more damage

[haughty flicker]

both apparitions and void bolt are all ghosts

so yeah its a ton of your damage

[thorn thorn]

The apex was an effort to make the spec less ride and die on link

But as you can tell from the gif and how many times link has been changed already

That hasnt exactly worked

But its a start at least

[latent kernel]

Buff the dots, buff the idols, buff the and nerf psychic link and I think it feels good in aoe to be completely honest

[thorn thorn]

Its not like TWW where link was literally 40% of your overall and every other damage event was fighting for the other 60%

[latent kernel]

Yuh this is how I remember it

[signal karma]

30% prio over fatebound's already good prio in aoe, damn spicy

[latent kernel]

Honestly the idols feel so underwhelming as a final talent too, that was always a gripe I had with shadow

[night delta]

Let's go back to Zul

[thorn thorn]

The breakdown looks like this now, if you are a psychopath and can play invoked nightmares (150% increased damage to swp) your swp will beat link for overall damage

[latent kernel]

I remember when they added echoing void and I thought it was going to be similar to BFA and it did fuck all lmao

[thorn thorn]

But you only play invoked nightmares if you are actually good at multidotting

Otherwise you take the talent that makes tentacle slam apply swp too

[latent kernel]

Multidotting is cool asf I can’t lie

I might pick it up for that reason alone

[waxen oyster]

echoing void wasnt even the op one in bfa

it was gushing wounds

and tendies

[latent kernel]

I mean let’s be real they were all busted lol

[thorn thorn]

Invoked nightmare is an insanely strong talent

150% more is a lot

[waxen oyster]

i mean some were alot stronger

[thorn thorn]

But if you stop multidotting properly the value plummets

[waxen oyster]

than the others

[latent kernel]

Is IN the preferred m+ talent rn

Or is it split

[thorn thorn]

They recommend the other one cuz its easier

[waxen oyster]

i also like how they added corruption back for 1/3 of a season

then instantly scrapped it again

[haughty flicker]

misery is also just better until high keys

[thorn thorn]

But a lot of the lower dungeon count dungeons like spire and skyreach you can run it easily

[haughty flicker]

bc you dont have the time to multidot properly anyway

but its also just annoying

[thorn thorn]

A lot of the high shadow keys will be running it anyway because when you have the time to cast swp on each enemy individually its basically 150% increase damage to the dot

[latent kernel]

Assuming on high pull counts it’s just dogshit tho right

[thorn thorn]

ye

I think dungeons like AA its probably not taken

Just cuz pull sizes are too big for it to be worth doing

But on something like spire or skyreach it would be very good

[latent kernel]

They should make a build where you don’t take VT or plink and it’s just all multidotting

That would be sick change of pace

[night delta]

I too like juggling 47 balls at once

While spinning 13 plates and riding on 3 unicycles

[haughty flicker]

I want a choice node with plink that makes your ghosts do a little aoe explosion

[night delta]

That spreads more dots

[fallow canopy]

?

[haughty flicker]

[night delta]

Heck, we rogues had the combo points minigame

Shadow could have a whack a mole minigame

Aoe spell which does more dmg if cast on a target with a debuff

That moves itself with each cast

[solar wyvern]

@lavish hazel how did your crash test go

[solar aurora]

Is there a quicker way to apply the 4 poisons rather than having to manually click them every time?

[night delta]

Nope

I long for the day they make poisons permanent

Hate when I forget to reapply or when they randomly reset

[marsh fjord]

thats why you download a poison reminder addon 🙂

[lavish hazel]

Bad

Really bad

But I think on some keys we might run it

[crude helm]

Kinda crazy they buffed DS and didn’t make caustic work with singular focus

[lavish hazel]

Cavern ? Mt ? Pit ?

[lavish hazel]

Euh what

I doesnt work

[crude helm]

Yeah

They should make it work

[lavish hazel]

Whyttt

[solar wyvern]

s2 tww

my beloved

[lavish hazel]

Ok i go bedge adido

fck this gm

[solar wyvern]

nightynnight

[crude helm]

2 days of TWW s3

[static glacier]

Charr

On a scale of 1-10 how likely are you feeling ds is go to? I’m currently feeling a 7.5

[short sparrow]

Deathstalkers huge buffs

still debetable if rly worth the efford to usethem

[static glacier]

I’m actually leaning on the side that they’re worth

Taking small single digit losses for 30% more prio dmg

I think whispyr just doesn’t want a lot of civilians being baited into DS when they’d get better results as FB

[jade grotto]

is DS really that ass to play even with the deathmark moving?

[balmy condor]

yes

[static glacier]

It’s ass compared to FB

[balmy condor]

it's been ass since 2024

and nothing they do fixes it

and arguably the midnight changes made it worse

so then they added a fucking button

[static glacier]

They coulda just made it a buff on us but hey

[jade grotto]

see thats the thing. whats the point in prio damage, when assassination already has that in spades, for a worse experience to just kill one plant a little faster

[balmy condor]

who fucking knows

[static glacier]

Because this isn’t about trash, ds will demolish fb on bosses that you pull mobs onto

[balmy condor]

you already can't really play assa + dk because you canabalize each others prio perma

it's great

[jade grotto]

how many bosses can you realistically pull trash onto? off the top of my head its like a handful

[balmy condor]

my 20 seconds of funnel on a 4 minute boss

[knotty vapor]

still playing fb

dont fucking care

blizzard is CRINGE

[severe meadow]

Getting declined from keys either way

[knotty vapor]

just give us a different spec please, delete deathstalker

start over

ITS NOT WORKING

its some poo poo ass bullshit

[severe meadow]

Did DS hurt you

[knotty vapor]

yeah

by being CRINGE and STUPID and not being FATEBOUND

the superior playstyle

[knotty vapor]

i can't tell what's worse, his response, or the fact that you whispered someone for declining you

[jade grotto]

After an hour of applying you start wandering if youre in some sort of purgatory and you need to know if your apply button is working.

[knotty vapor]

if i ever got to that point I'd just close the game

can't let it get to you that bad

[severe meadow]

I actually feel like I get into groups pretty quick but I'm not applying to giga high stuff

[jade grotto]

Thanks for you're unhelpful judgement, I'll keep it in mind.

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

@thorn thorn

[storm forum]

So what ur saying is DS assa rogue is mandatory in maisara cause you can pull like 20 of the guys that don't die unless you kick them onto that one boss and get infinite funnel

[versed mica]

Imagine trickster sin lmao

Increased caustic damage, reduced KB cd, make KB give more hidden blade procs

Coup envenom

[knotty vapor]

god

yes please

[rigid fable]

how was DS buff? good? 😄

[final star]

[low silo]

I actually wanted to play DS 🫠

Blizzard buffs the 0% representation to still be worse than the 100% representation talent 🫠

[balmy condor]

are you ill

[low silo]

Mentally yes

Physically no

[balmy condor]

checks out

[severe meadow]

Just hit him with that

take the win

[low silo]

I was also a huge fan of kyrian so I like the lil minigames

[balmy condor]

it's arena

arena isn't real league

[brittle quail]

its not better

[severe meadow]

Arena kinda fun tbh

[balmy condor]

it's way better

3's arena insano fun

I love playing friendslop

[brittle quail]

"isnt real league" like its an excuse playing shitty games with greedy dev actually being probably worse than bliz at fixing stuff

[balmy condor]

?????

[brittle quail]

mind you there is no sub it might be better

[balmy condor]

my bad for enjoying a video game with my friends gang

fuck

[brittle quail]

D

xD

[severe meadow]

You hyper activated him or something

[balmy condor]

didn't realize I stumbled into a statement about capitalism

[brittle quail]

got you

[severe meadow]

got him

or something

[balmy condor]

forgot that playing league makes me vulnerable to social commentary about game studios when I'm just playing a piss unranked slop gamemode

vanguard gonna brick my pc or whatever

[brittle quail]

last time i talked here you flamed me

[low silo]

This is the rogue discord

[brittle quail]

i couldnt resist the temptation

[low silo]

Toxicity is our class identity

[balmy condor]

did you say some dumb shit

I probably flamed you for saying dumb shit

[low silo]

Second raid buff: toxicity

[brittle quail]

thats gonna happen tho its only a matter of time before someone finds an exploit

[balmy condor]

yeah surely

[brittle quail]

and i have it installed

[low silo]

I say dumb shit and get flamed all the time

[brittle quail]

i assumed something about rotation based on previous season

[low silo]

Sometimes it's rage bait sometimes it's me being genuinely stupid

[brittle quail]

and up being correct

but you flamed me for assuming

[jolly stirrup]

You had me in the first half Whispyr, dont do me like that, I dont wanna play DS for the life of me

[balmy condor]

you should let mint convince you

[brittle quail]

you have to play DS

otherwise your trolling

[jolly stirrup]

[brittle quail]

especially in m+

funnel goes hard

[low silo]

I'll probably play DS in m+ just for the funsies

[jolly stirrup]

Why do you hate yourself

[low silo]

I know I'm the minority but I actually like DS gameplay

It hits my tism just right

[brittle quail]

depends

)

[jolly stirrup]

You are a different breed

[brittle quail]

i like DS

[low silo]

I'm also dogshit

[brittle quail]

until mark shennanigans happens

then its the worst thing ever

i feel like blizzard is really good at making something that looks fun

then real situation/ bugg happens

and it is in fact horrible

[thorn thorn]

You played REPO?

[thorn thorn]

Babysitting the mark would be fun gameplay if it didnt fucking disappear randomly and int your damage

Would also be fun if the ability to move the mark made it un-disappear but thats not the timeline we have

[thorn thorn]

Just saying so far I have met zero women that play aug

But by coincidence i have met a lot of people like me that play the spec

Take that as you will

[brittle quail]

not sure babysitting is fun but with the mark practicing magic i have no idea im tilted before that

[brittle quail]

would not fix the problem but it would be better 100%

[thorn thorn]

Cant have a mechanic based on a debuff then have the debuff just vanish randomly with no way to reapply it easily

Well i guess you could

But then we would get current ds

[brittle quail]

i mean you have your 1min vanish from parry and they dont see a problem with that

at this point debuff disapearing is a feature

its happening since the talent got on ptr

[thorn thorn]

May as well add a line to ds

“Consuming darkest night has a 25% chance to not reapply mark”

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

Only femboys

[low silo]

I've met a girl who plays Aug, she kinda mean tho

[fallow canopy]

the 2 evokers in my guild are freaky af so

the trend is there

[thorn thorn]

Is she dangerous

[low silo]

She one of them alt baddies

[thorn thorn]

I cant sleep at night unless the one in bed with me has a greater than 0% chance to stab me

Makes every morning feel like a blessing

[low silo]

I like this guy

[thorn thorn]

Im one of whispyrs favorite dumb people

And by that i havent been banned for incompetence

[low silo]

I'm just smol bb new here

Thoroughly mediocre rogue

[thorn thorn]

Just like me frfr

[severe meadow]

Doesn't even play Rogue....

[low silo]

Gatekeeping is a fundamental feature of rogue class identity. Respect.

[rotund oak]

why play rogue when mage exists

xd

[severe meadow]

or DK

[thorn thorn]

Also true

But since i dont play rogue

[rotund oak]

or Hunter

[thorn thorn]

It can only be assumed i suck at it

[buoyant herald]

idk have you seen sub

[severe meadow]

you just keep bleeds up and press envenom

[rotund oak]

rogue spec comparison are a cope inside our community,thats all

there is a world outside

us

[worn geyser]

sub press dance macro press shadowstrike press evis 🔥

[severe meadow]

tbh been wanting to play something else and push keys on

[rotund oak]

yeah should try,im mostly doing pvp on my rogue

everything else,from keys to keys and more keys on my mage

[low silo]

I refuse to cheat on my one true love, rogue

[rotund oak]

cringe

there is no love,its all ego

[severe meadow]

Only thing I've played since TWW s1, just kinda bored of it I guess

[low silo]

Played mage for 3 weeks at the start of the tier, rerolled back to rogue

[rotund oak]

its time to move on

[low silo]

I genuinely love rogue, good tuning or bad. I can always enjoy at least one of the 3 specs. Most often all 3.

[rotund oak]

cant rly blame u,i was there when wow begun as a rogue,still am,even only pvping as one

[oak tangle]

sub looks simple, but fr it's actually fun atm

[low silo]

Im too old to learn pvp

[rotund oak]

its never too old or late

get ur @ss into it

[severe meadow]

Just watch Pikaboo

He says everything he does

:^)

[low silo]

And I'm chasing 1% title so that takes priority over learning a new skillset

[rotund oak]

there are better rogues to learn from,even in this chat,there are way better rogues than pikaboo

[severe meadow]

ye I just think the way he plays is kinda funny

[rotund oak]

he's just selling it brother

u wanna see and learn from true pioneers

try whaazz

[low silo]

Literally my 2nd ever arena game was against pikaboo in 1400 MMR

[mortal crag]

who?

[low silo]

That was also my last

Dude just bullies low rank players for content

Oh the multi glad killed a 200 cr 1400 MMR and shit talked me the entire time. Quality content.

[rotund oak]

based takes versus low mmr dudes that try to have some fun in solo que

well

''based''

[thorn thorn]

Loved to watch pikaboo until he started doing classic content

[low silo]

I mean I'd say about 60-75% of player who queue shuffle the first time, don't ever queue it again

[thorn thorn]

I am part of that imaginary number as evidence for this claim

[low silo]

It's a guesstimate

Not imaginary

[thorn thorn]

Im just joshing

I have queued a singular solo shuffle game and it was just a miserable experience

[low silo]

Pvp Barrier to entry is higher than any other form of content in wow

[rotund oak]

definitely

[thorn thorn]

Cuz when you are the weakest player in the lobby people hard focus you which insanely sucks for new players but its also juzt objectively the best way to win that gamemode

[rotund oak]

its fundamental understanding of how pvp works

[low silo]

Like I peaked 2k in 3s once and it was the least enjoyable time of my wow career

[rotund oak]

even if u are an experienced pvper and take a break u need time to get ur way in

its the dynamic nature of the content

metashifts,comps,talents,rebalances

and individual skill range

all play their roles to some degree

[thorn thorn]

Meh

[rotund oak]

just need to grind it,learn and adapt

[thorn thorn]

Better to learn grim probably

Pika is without a doubt one of the best pvp rogue players

[steel wagon]

so like this DS buff seems completely useless no? sin needs buff but they buffed it to still not be as good as fb?

[thorn thorn]

But his advice for new players is genuinely just ass

[steel wagon]

is blizzard just dumb?

[thorn thorn]

I dont even think its malicious either

[rotund oak]

successful yeah,better idk,thats subjective

[thorn thorn]

Most of his advice is just “dont suck when this happns”

Its not really subjective

[rotund oak]

ill tell u something that might shock you

kalvish

is a rogue that is twice as good

as pikaboo

[thorn thorn]

He has claimed multiple r1 titles so

[balmy condor]

I mean, the alternative is changing the hero talent balance mid season to something that no one wants to play

[thorn thorn]

Ill believe it when the accolades match

[balmy condor]

I think this is the best outcome and pretty targetted

[rotund oak]

❤️

[balmy condor]

if you're insane and want to play deathstalker, it is competitive

if you're a normal person and don't want to play deathstalker because it's ass

then it's still a little worse

everyone wins

[thorn thorn]

Pvp in wow is just not enjoyable to try and get in to

The part that kills it for me is that learning it doesnt even feel rewarding

[steel wagon]

can you give me a two second explanation about why deathstalker is ass to play

[severe meadow]

mark

[thorn thorn]

Since during the ranked climb if you arent a premade you can just get one that will int

[low silo]

Most players dislike the minigame of it

[balmy condor]

I think that's shorter than 2 seconds

[thorn thorn]

You have this thing in combat that we will name little timmy

Timmy is 20% of your damage

Timmy disappears randomly

[low silo]

Its better from a QoL standpoint than it used to be

[thorn thorn]

And you cant do shit about it

And also sometimes he will come back every 2 minutes

[balmy condor]

it's just gross man

you have to hit shiv

you have to force yourself to max cp at 6cp

[low silo]

Bring back dry shiv window

[balmy condor]

you lose 20% of your damag when you target swap

[steel wagon]

wait what this seems like a bullshit redirect mechanic

reading the tooltip of mark for death

[low silo]

It blasts prio dam tho

[balmy condor]

so does fatebound

[severe meadow]

yeah it's not like we need more prio

prio mobs already explode

[thorn thorn]

Its a debuff you have to babysit that is 20% of your damage with it and all its effects

[low silo]

Whispyr predicted the future, now he doesn't have to update the wowhead guide talent section

[thorn thorn]

Except the debuff can literally just disappear

[balmy condor]

wowhead has deathstalker everywhere

[thorn thorn]

And with it the damage

[balmy condor]

I would just need to flip the table

[thorn thorn]

And you can only reapply it with vanish in combat if that happens

[timid stratus]

man we got dudded in hero talents. choose between completely passive or make your rotation less fun. yay.

[thorn thorn]

Very cool mechanic

[balmy condor]

not true

[severe meadow]

garrote

[low silo]

I know I'm just memeing

[balmy condor]

it applies on any garrote

[thorn thorn]

Oh right

[balmy condor]

except if the mark is on some fuck off mob in narnia

in which case you have to use the new button

[low silo]

I forgot to put it on my bars for chimmy

[severe meadow]

is that new button on the gcd?

[thorn thorn]

Can we just like

[balmy condor]

cause that's the best solution for this

[low silo]

And he flew away with my fucking mark

[thorn thorn]

Delete the debuff

[balmy condor]

a new button

[steel wagon]

do they have the janitor designing rogue rn

[balmy condor]

no

[thorn thorn]

And make it a buff on the player

[severe meadow]

okay so it's at least not hyper cringe

[balmy condor]

it's actually more cringe, because since its off the gcd, you get to snipe mobs with it for darkest night resets

[fallow canopy]

The bar is in the 9th circle of hell

[balmy condor]

for zero downside

[haughty flicker]

[severe meadow]

[steel wagon]

if only we could have addons or weak auras to track if your mark is on your prio target without having to do some fuckass workaround with current addon restrictions

[thorn thorn]

[low silo]

mouse over MFD returns

[timid stratus]

it's so funny that they eventually did the one thing they didnt want to do (add a new buttopn) and even then it's not fun. such a rotten design from the beginning

[low silo]

I miss serrated bone spike sniping

And MFD sniping

[steel wagon]

just give us corruption back

[low silo]

Shadowlands classic gonna go so hard

[steel wagon]

i wanna shoot tentacles at things

[severe meadow]

Do you like any of the good WoW parts or only the bad

curious

[empty swan]

Reading deathstalker buffs is actually terrifying

[steel wagon]

legion rogue where poison bomb was 50% of your damage and 100% rng was fun

[low silo]

SL season 2 was the season I first did pve

[rotund oak]

deathstalker is scary yeah

[low silo]

So I'm nostalgia goggles

[waxen oyster]

legion was sub

from 7.2.5 onwards

tbf

[rotund oak]

legion was everything

[low silo]

It's still behind fatebound

[steel wagon]

except the first tier you ran 10 sub rogues

[low silo]

Play what you like

[steel wagon]

cause of the cheese

[balmy condor]

good news, we're basically back except the RNG is on everything now and you're hoping for crits and procs

[waxen oyster]

it was like 4 in tomb

but yeah

[balmy condor]

so

all the bad

with none of the fun

you just randomly do less damage sometimes

[waxen oyster]

most guilds maxed out at 3

[steel wagon]

people look back at legion like it was the best expansion, it wasnt fun waiting 2 years for your best legendaries

[waxen oyster]

wdym

[steel wagon]

while your guildies got to do 30% more dmg than you

[waxen oyster]

just loot it

[low silo]

BfA was underrated

[thorn thorn]

One time my ebon might didnt crit on pull and i wanted to jump off a bridge

I couldnt imagine playing an entire spec like that

[waxen oyster]

coolmint you got sm bad takes holyyyy

[balmy condor]

big

[steel wagon]

legion once the legendary situation was fixed was top expansion

[severe meadow]

prob the worst take of tonight

so far

keep it rolling tho

[steel wagon]

BFA was fun cause i had good memories raiding with people

[waxen oyster]

you guys didnt get duskwalker

first lego?

[steel wagon]

corruption was an amazing mechanic dont care

prob one of the best

[waxen oyster]

ima bfr

the lego thing was an issue until mid NH

If you played the same character

[steel wagon]

yeah it was unbearable

[balmy condor]

I got prydaz + valeera and solo healed myself on a +23 eye of azshara

[low silo]

Corruptions were so good

[waxen oyster]

by mid NH you had every legendary

[thorn thorn]

What did you think of council of dreams

[waxen oyster]

just from grinding

[thorn thorn]

Your answer determines if we kill you

[steel wagon]

legion was a 2/10 expansion until mid nighthold

[thorn thorn]

In game of course

[waxen oyster]

well

[steel wagon]

then it became goated

[waxen oyster]

EN was a terrible raid

[low silo]

Loved that shit

[waxen oyster]

so ofc

[steel wagon]

my last two legendaries were my best in slot

[severe meadow]

he dies

holy

[balmy condor]

bro he's actually just picking the worst answer every time

that's crazy

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor we a target

He has to die

Its jover

[severe meadow]

yeah I think he's just baiting

[balmy condor]

favorite fight: stone legion generals

[thorn thorn]

Gotts be bait

[severe meadow]

can't legit go worse take every time

[thorn thorn]

You can like bfa

[waxen oyster]

Idk i had every rogue lego

[thorn thorn]

I draw the line at liking council of dreams

[low silo]

I like to stir the pot

[waxen oyster]

by mid NH

[thorn thorn]

Objectively the worst encounter we have had since SL

[waxen oyster]

but the grinding was unfun

[low silo]

But I do genuinely love shadowlands

[waxen oyster]

farming the raid on 3 difficulties every week

[severe meadow]

idk shadowlands could've been so so so much better

[low silo]

I'm not saying it was perfect

But I liked it

[desert inlet]

shadowlands my beloved

[low silo]

Strictly from a combat perspective

[desert inlet]

I miss u halondrus

[waxen oyster]

sepulcher was the worst tier

[low silo]

Halondrus was so goated

[steel wagon]

Legion launched August 30, 2016 - Mid nighthold was March 2017. OVER A YEAR AND A HALF of shit ass legendary bullshit

[thorn thorn]

If you liked shadowlands please see a doctor to test for mental disorders

[waxen oyster]

in awhile

[low silo]

I bullied the fuck out of everyone on that fight

[balmy condor]

shadowlands is a lot like ronald reagan, you can measure any imaginable metric since then and bad thing go up and good thing go down

[waxen oyster]

thats not even a year

[steel wagon]

what

pj

oh

[waxen oyster]

LOL

american education

[dim yacht]

can we not talk about shadowlands in sin channel please'

[waxen oyster]

for you

[steel wagon]

sorry i have NA education

[dim yacht]

i get ptsd from season 1

[low silo]

rl made paladin roll nightfae to give me blessing cause I was doing like 18% more dps than anyone else on halondrus

[thorn thorn]

So true

[golden loom]

2016? Thats like 3 years ago

[waxen oyster]

what

s1 was the best tier

of SL

[dim yacht]

not if you were a sin rogue

[waxen oyster]

s3 was dogshit

[desert inlet]

flag mfd sin was the most fun I had playing this video game

[low silo]

I was sub theb

[steel wagon]

best boss was ghuun, and having to spend 3 hours every raid doing a spreadsheet before you could pull

[waxen oyster]

idk im not an otp

cant relate

[dim yacht]

i am 🙁

[low silo]

I play and like all rogue specs

[steel wagon]

Zul was a goated fight

[rotund oak]

kekw

[dim yacht]

im a good sin rogue

im a shit rogue

[low silo]

Outlaw=sin>sub

[waxen oyster]

sepulcher sub was the closest i came

to uninstalling this game

[thorn thorn]

The best boss was fyrakk and watching your RL go insane people couldnt go without getting hit by something

[waxen oyster]

actual worst gameplay

[low silo]

Kyrian was so fun tho

[rotund oak]

sepulcher was sin/outlaw with bored power

[waxen oyster]

????

yeah let me spam shadow dance

4x

and have 70% blades uptime

pepega shit

kyrian dust outlaw was fun

kyrian sub was.....

[low silo]

Venthyr dust outlaw was giga

[waxen oyster]

that was only prepatch

but yeah

[rotund oak]

most autistic but yet fun gameplay,was a kyrian major defender when everyone was bouncing from vamps to bones

[low silo]

This is why I like shadowlands, all the covenant abilities were so fun to me

[waxen oyster]

the best part about fyrak was he instagibbed dumbass boomkins

[rotund oak]

kyrian sub was disgusting in pvp,insane burst

[waxen oyster]

i mean sub if its allowed to burst people in pvp

[low silo]

Bone spike outlaw/sin in m+ was so fun

[waxen oyster]

gets infinite complaints

till it gets nerfed

[thorn thorn]

The best part about fyrakk was me about to strangle my raid because 4 people couldnt go 2 minutes without being hit once

[rotund oak]

well its about the combination that enabled insane dmg in couple seconds

then u had to trinket or infinite cc

to death

[waxen oyster]

you mean the turds who went on beta

[rotund oak]

so u killed before they touch u

[waxen oyster]

to do nothing but grim codex skulker people

with MA

[rotund oak]

and that

yeah

lmao

[low silo]

Bro season 3 I got 4 set week one and just bullied the fuck out of everyone in 2s as nightfae sin

[waxen oyster]

"game testing"

[low silo]

Ran master assassin, dot, shiv, deathmark, sepsis, vanish

[waxen oyster]

wait until you realized

[low silo]

Didn't even have to cc the healer, they died through defensives

[waxen oyster]

s2 ww did that

every minute

keefers bonedust gogo

i killed some rogue 80-0 through his vanish

with sck procs

[thorn thorn]

Why are we talking about pvp and not feet

The fuck guys

[waxen oyster]

idk send toes cuh

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

the urge to mail my ranged bleach

over fyrak frontals

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

The real prog on that boss was our hpriest liked to go in angel form

1 in 3 pulls

to the first embers

[fallow canopy]

Good thing they haven't done a fight like that since then, especially an end boss with seeds and stuff

[thorn thorn]

On our kill night the gm told everyone that if we didnt kill tonight everyone was receiving a pipebomb in the mail

[low silo]

Me who got brought in to fyrakk after grey parsing every fight up to smold cause roster boss

[thorn thorn]

No cappy

[waxen oyster]

me when the ranged plants their spear out of melee to pad more on igira

actual rats

[thorn thorn]

You could gray parse on fyrakk and still have a guranteed raid spot if you could carry a seed without being hit

No cappy

[low silo]

I love to play outlaw, specifically on prog when my wrist is injured

[waxen oyster]

just dont injure wrist

[thorn thorn]

Ya just like how they havent done a boss again where healing adds can die to mechanics and cause a wipe

[thorn thorn]

Nymue

[rotund oak]

we've deterministically recognized the source of everything

[low silo]

No fight will ever top halondrus

[rotund oak]

now we need to treat u for pirate's disease

[low silo]

Peak gaming experience

I play outlaw and sin pretty much 75% of the time

[waxen oyster]

halondrus if you were ranged

most payphone shit

[heady veldt]

Hey guys, new to the server here but wanted to scratch some heads about the new deathstalker changes coming up and what others thought about it

[heady veldt]

Ahh, I see, well that wraps things up for my curiosity then

[buoyant herald]

yeah i mean that's the general feeling, im sure there are some DS enjoyers who are very happy

god bless them

[heady veldt]

I used to enjoy DS back in TWW but playing FB this expantion has been much more brain dead so much more happier

Gamba mechanics = BiS

[buoyant herald]

DS has mark management which still is a bit icky, more annoyer spending rules, one thing it does better is further prio/funnel but like...assass just DOES THAT anyway so you don't really need more

[balmy condor]

Hey new to the server, I'm old and tired, glad to see you found the info

[heady veldt]

I guess that makes sense, just wish we where a little stronger in general

[heady veldt]

Hi Old and Tired, it's a pleasure to meet you

https://klipy.com/gifs/chihuahua-cane

[buoyant herald]

always. but it's fine in keys, gets a very bad rap from the raid being incredibly heavy of add spawns which get instablasted

[heady veldt]

I'm loving keys as Ass atm but its a shame people don't want Ass Rogues atm :< My elitist ego is bruised everytime i go into key queue simulator xD

getting declined on a +10

https://klipy.com/gifs/stan-twitter-leobylaw-2

see's a subtlety rogue was picked

[buoyant herald]

sub having frontloaded damage makes it look nice in that range yeah

[heady veldt]

yeah but we got Ass in our name

twice

[buoyant herald]

but quite frankly pugging that range of keys is insane right now with people farming crests (uncapped this week) and bonus roll loot

[heady veldt]

who doesn't love ass

[buoyant herald]

less likely you're getting passed over for sub than some 290 ilvl 5000 io demigod who needs that last bis piece

[analog hedge]

nxp ring set isnt bis for us right?

i compared it with algethar and the void one from nxp and its better

🤔

[heady veldt]

yeah, I'm 288 ILVL atm so when i get declined for a +10 I'm gobsmacked but yeah the crest farming with uncap makes sense

[heady veldt]

I'm currently re rolling for the void ring from nxp, it sims the best atm before the raid rings from Belo and L'ura

[buoyant herald]

the difference is i have both POS/AA rings and neither npx rings and i cbf chasing that dragon lol

[heady veldt]

but its Void Ring and Platinum Star Band

[analog hedge]

after testing u know what, spark is actually correct , pos and aa ring is better for me

oh god

I ROLLED ON THE WRONG DUNGEON

[golden loom]

I have these 4 and they are all pretty much the same

the only meaningful ring upgrade is lura ring

[heady veldt]

eye of midnight

praise be

[analog hedge]

mythic raid is above my paygrade so its not an option for me sadly

😔 😔 😔 😔

[analog hedge]

envy

https://tenor.com/view/precious-gif-26557642

huh

[balmy condor]

okay well not in m+

giga haste kinda meh

[analog hedge]

swapping neck and mainhand with the saron piece is almost 2%

oh god

blizzard, add 10 more bonus rolls to my account

[coral pivot]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[buoyant herald]

I didn’t do it on purpose, was chasing neck from pit and puzzle box from AA and got those first. Can’t complain.

[hearty reef]

Buff targeted at assa and assa is happy it didnt hit the target outcome

[buoyant herald]

i don't think that's accurate, they didn't say "lets buff assa, it needs help - let's go DS"

you can see from other buffs to other specs they're targetted poorly performing hero talents

we're just conditioned to get giga excited just to see a Rogue heading at all

[thorny palm]

im new to rogue and wondering why we dont ambush at all? i especially like to port into combat, ambush, garrote and rupture with +5 combopoints
feels like its a wasted combopoint generator

[balmy condor]

it's 1 gcd and generally not worth using if you're running shrouded suffocation

if you're running blindside, you ambush automatically when you mutilate

so like yeah, sure

you can ambush from stealth at the start or with a vanish every 2 min

but

not really worth losing sleep over either way

[vernal gate]

We back to deathstalker next reset?

[normal mist]

no

[plain hawk]

Thank god no cringe mark juggle

[jolly stirrup]

@balmy condor had to tell my Raidlead immediately to not expect any more damage out of me

[plain hawk]

"Das Verpflichtungsmindestanforderungsschadensmaßgesetz".
A law made in Germany

[balmy condor]

me when I just see number up with no context

and I say dumb things

cause I don't know things

[jolly stirrup]

Real

[ancient ingot]

guys on big pulls when i press dm kb, should i instantly keep using ct envenom? i feel like i lose time when i waiting full cp from kb

[balmy condor]

didn't you ask basically this exact question like yesterday

yeah

legit see previous conversation

[keen raven]

I havent touched deathmark asa at all, am i missing something or is it not really feel ike theres much of a rotation dif. Also whispyr when u say say 30% more prio damage is that just in general without cds or does ur deathmark window also have 30% more prio/st dmg

[balmy condor]

There is zero difference rotationally aside from the minmaxes

The 30% more prio is just overall

But singular focus exists, so technically bigger funnel

[keen raven]

yea just wondering what the % difs may be

like lets say its a boss fight where u have 4 target funnel into 1 target boss

is that 30% more than what fatebound would be

[balmy condor]

Yes

[keen raven]

sheesh might be playin deathstalker in some keys then

crit would lose value then playin deathstalker right?

[bronze ridge]

you need a lot of haste as stalker

[keen raven]

well this is specifically for key scenarios

[keen raven]

and why wouldu need more haste

[runic hinge]

Crit loses value because you get auto crit on DN

[keen raven]

yea would it better to get more haste or mastery in keys, prob mastery no?

[runic hinge]

But idk why more haste

I’d just see what the robot says

Puzzle box makes mastery meh to stack as well

[keen raven]

robot stat weighting r poopoo tho

[runic hinge]

Yeah sure

The thing meant to sim stats is bad at it. All it does is math

[keen raven]

but yea id prob atleast swap from using crit flask to haste prob

gotta test it out next week

@balmy condor is it still more optimal to envenom is large packs only at 7cp with darkest night?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[strange onyx]

Yo Whispy, you playing assa on L to the ura?

[real pike]

So they gave sizeable buffs to DS and it's still numerically worse than FB in all situations?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[strange onyx]

Any fun?

[balmy condor]

Lines up with adds idk

Seems good

[worn geyser]

its big dam in p3 feels dope

[lusty kraken]

the only reason I liked deathstalker in TWW was the huge envenom after the naked shiv

[dim yacht]

sin rogues on high keys (what few of us there are) how do you handle first boss of MT? i dont know what to do with my CDs. theyre usually up as we pull, but refueling is less than 1 min after pull so if i send anything it just desyncs from refueling. should i just be sending all my CDs on pyro and say fuck having cds for refueling and just deal with it being desynced from refuel? is there a better way i can use my CDs to have them line up better?

[junior yoke]

So after all fatebound still better on boss and m+? XD

[keen raven]

sending cds on boss

immediately

and then u save pot for 35% execute 2nd set

unfortunately it just doesnt synq up

[dim yacht]

so just never worry about syncing it up then, or is there a point where its worth holding for a sync up

[keen raven]

i dont think it ever synqs up

[dim yacht]

yeah thats what i thought