assassination

[deep panther]

holy moly i was tripping. sorry lads

[runic hinge]

xoxo

[deep panther]

i didint expect the difference be so massive from a single enchant honestly

[analog field]

best thing is to remove enchants and gems

[deep panther]

will do in the future. thanks

[shy axle]

do you even bother with ct on first boss spire or saladhar? or just pure st with splatter only

[analog field]

what is your end goal ? 😛

[untold flume]

Steel the beard of Magni’s bronzed face? What’s the goal of anyone rogue other than be filthy rich and look stylish doing it?

[analog field]

I don't think averzian has any money

poor guy

[untold flume]

It’s always the case, just one more score right? We’ll be rich after the next one.

On the topic of enhancements and being poor.

Is it worth it for the Dimond gems to just take the simple one with the primary star boost or the multy gem that boost primary AND has crit effectiveness? Also does the bracing gem bandolier on crafted stuff double diamonds too?

[analog field]

I think the stat is better in S1

the other gives less stat right ?

[untold flume]

Powerful Eversong Dimond gives prim stat and .15 crit effectiveness per active gem slot

So the question is does the bracing gen bandolier make it .3 crit effectiveness per gem.

[analog field]

How much prime stat ?

indecipherable gives 32

[untold flume]

+23 with the .15 crit effectiveness

[analog field]

yeah 9 agi is more than the crit I think

[untold flume]

My understanding is that it’s not crit rate on that gem but crit damage like the eagle eye enchantment on rings.

[analog field]

I know people are not using it so probably not good enough

[untold flume]

So the other question is the crafted embellishment does that double the Dimond as well, so from 32-64?

[balmy condor]

yep

[finite vine]

Hey, whats the correct opener in m+? just spam crimson tempest until every target dotted and ignore combo points or use combo points on envenom while dotting

[analog field]

Envenom

[balmy condor]

combo points good, should spend them

[royal lantern]

first day lura prog shows me the following:

mythic raiders and counting to 4 dont mix

[gray hazel]

Do you guys know whats the best buff for us in Keys?

I assume War is best, then druid>Shaman>DH=Monk?

[royal lodge]

Sham 1st

I guess

[heady drum]

defo spend, spatter will do the most damage

[balmy condor]

sham>warrior>druid>monk>dh

[finite vine]

ty

[gray hazel]

Thanks!

[royal lantern]

lura has to be the worst boss i ever did

holy fuck

yeha sure, put a shity color overlay on my screen during the memory game bs

not like as if i allready need a color overlay to see stuff, and now my entire screen is so dark that i cant see shit anymore

10/10

[restive hawk]

what?

[thorn thorn]

is it the colorblindness at work

Cuz it doesnt go that dark

[royal lantern]

yes

i need a screen overlay to actually help with colors

but turns out

when the game turns my entire screen red

its fucking unplayable at that moment

cus my entire screen gets dark as hell

10/10, game is more accessible since midnight, fuck you blizz

yes im pissed

[thorn thorn]

Time to just start putting in spam reports to blizzard about their sick new accessibility features

[thorn thorn]

ok actual question

if WA existed what woulda helped with it

[royal lantern]

nothing

im just so pissed that they repeated DAE ACCESSIBILITY!!!!!! all the time and then release this crap

[thorn thorn]

so whats the plan then

do you just gotta bench?

or do you plan to just take it like a champ

[royal lantern]

hope i dont go into red phase

if im in red phase, hope that there is no glaive comming

[storm forum]

The ring from the new raid is gonna be giga BiS for us right?

[fallow canopy]

That's fucked

[balmy condor]

It’s ilvl increase and a proc, so probably giga bis for everyone yes

[storm forum]

Giga BiS for specs that don't like haste nor have nature damage, got it.

[fallow canopy]

Stats are random no?

[grave nova]

Is there an addon or anything that can help to know if ive pressed tempest enough?

Just sucks having to stare at mob frames

[storm forum]

They're static now

[fallow canopy]

Oh, what does it give?

[storm forum]

Ring is haste >>> mast

Neck is mast >>> crit

[thorn thorn]

cursed as fuck

[fallow canopy]

I see, good shit

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor I am about to drop a big fat truke in chat

We need more trinkets like the perfectly preserved cake

Because they are neat

[balmy condor]

of course you would want more cake you fucking fat chud

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/657613394794512405/1492585554733436998/ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[thorn thorn]

Ok but tell me this doesnt look fire

You cant

[thorn thorn]

[stuck lodge]

So idk if I was messing something up yesterday at chim, but I was trying to do the double down strat and was taking BIG damage when I soaked the second one

Even when I cloaked it

[balmy condor]

was it the first second of cloak

[stuck lodge]

I was trying to time it to be that yeah

I guess there is like a small delay between him finishing the cast and the ability actually landing

[balmy condor]

yeah I would have to see a log for timing or something

[stuck lodge]

I died unfortunately (later in the fight) but yeah maybe I was messing up the timing

[solar wyvern]

Our guild has started lifr gripping and trolling any go down enjoyers

[stuck lodge]

do yall cloak the second or the first? I suppose it likely doesn't matter

[balmy condor]

the second

[stuck lodge]

Hmm, maybe I was trying to cloak the first one and that doesn't work?

I just remember getting chunked for basically all my health during the second one

[solar wyvern]

U still get the debuff if u cloak i thought

Cloak second just seemed common sense to me

[balmy condor]

yeh

if you cloak the first the second just destroys you

you have to cloak the damage from the second

[stuck lodge]

Yeah that was probably it then, I was trying to cloak the first to avoid the debuff probably

[solar wyvern]

Whipsyr this game sucks btw

No beloran feather

[balmy condor]

I'm well aware

[stuck lodge]

Shame, because I was at like 180k before I died

[solar wyvern]

No pbox

No bitches

[stuck lodge]

Also, I finally pink parsed yall

happy days

[solar wyvern]

My duckets

[solar wyvern]

Spent them all on da bird

Gj gamer

[stuck lodge]

tyty

[balmy condor]

with aug or in log?

[solar wyvern]

Surely details meter

180k chim is MILES ahead

[stuck lodge]

No aug in the raid

but it was just wowhead meters

so maybe fucked

[marble dawn]

link it

[balmy condor]

yeah 180 is like sillystring op

[solar wyvern]

180k is like youre downstairs for 50 seconds and insane pad gaming

Rank 1 parse is 166k arms war

[stuck lodge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qwAV9ZW3nJf6RLB4?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=59

It wasn't at the end

and just wow meters

so maybe borked

[hard mason]

My parses look so good. then there's just my Belo kill chilling.

[balmy condor]

yeh you're at 118 in 2:45 going into intermission

respectfully that ain't getting you anywhere

[stuck lodge]

Probs just the meters fucking up then

[balmy condor]

something like that

[royal lantern]

yo

stop bragging

you are 1 above me

[hard mason]

lol

[balmy condor]

you gotta be like minimum 145k going into intermission for a top 10 I think

rank 1 is like 160

[stuck lodge]

I'm just happy to be pink or orange

[balmy condor]

yeh doing double down is probably enough for that

[stuck lodge]

Turns out if you die, it is not

[balmy condor]

well

yeah

true

[stuck lodge]

skissue

[balmy condor]

you think that's bad btw

[hard mason]

i did have a top 3 parse for like a few days :P (though in HC first boss)

[royal lantern]

then why is DK so often on top??

[royal lantern]

fellow orb soaker

[balmy condor]

[stuck lodge]

immune to death buff

[balmy condor]

every soak every orb

cds on adds

yep

[fallow canopy]

too ethical

[balmy condor]

most ethical 2 parse you've ever seen

[hard mason]

I've made it clear im not playing sub ever. lol

[balmy condor]

didn't die btw

[hard mason]

I was on orb duty too

[balmy condor]

I was alive the whole fight

I love dps stop bosses

[stuck lodge]

you haven't recleared with the higher item level from this SS I take it

[balmy condor]

we did chim on tuesday

but yeh

[hard mason]

I do have a meh parse on Paladins too. but that's because our guild did a odd strategy where they weren't stacked propperly all the time. (because we were 2 melee on fight)

[balmy condor]

we're full focus lura basically

[fallow canopy]

I need to see how people are rekilling it these days, if just sending or cringeholding

[stuck lodge]

Yeah makes sense, my guild just hit dragons

[hard mason]

yeah we killed Belo and now we're just extending L'ura

and F that boss

[stuck lodge]

also, I do not know wtf I am supposed to be doing on King

[hard mason]

260 pulls wiping p1 and intermission on L'ura atm

[royal lantern]

hit boss, use CT when orbs are nearby

thats it tbh

[balmy condor]

CT CT Env CT CT Env CT CT Env

pray you didn't get all the pad yoinked

[stuck lodge]

Yeah, I try that but the adds just evaporate to our two WW monks

[royal lantern]

sir, its world of warcraft

[balmy condor]

yeah that'll do it

[stuck lodge]

unlucky

[balmy condor]

double ww monk

fight is unparsable

gg go next

[fallow canopy]

or that your tanks decided the boss needed to do the 100mt flat sprint

[royal lantern]

oh wait, the next boss is the same thing again

[hard mason]

I can't even Pad on the adds on L'ura. Because our UH and Elemental shammies delete the crystals.

[royal lantern]

[stuck lodge]

Maybe just go full single target build and go for boss dmg parse or some shit lol

[balmy condor]

parses in midnight so far is actual torture

[fallow canopy]

makes sense since in tww they were too

[balmy condor]

like more than TWW

[hard mason]

even the single target boss suffered from paddign on adds xD

[royal lantern]

legit all is "padding on adds and hope your high swings happen" lol

[balmy condor]

yeh

there isn't even like

cheese strats to replicate

or any min-maxing

[royal lantern]

how much dmg variance do we have rn? 15%+?

[balmy condor]

it's legit just highroll and play with idiots so you can get uptime on adds

[fallow canopy]

align your cds and DDOS the ele shammies and the devourers so you can pad

[balmy condor]

yeh 15%

double down phase on chim is basically the only thing you can actually control

otherwise it's like oops adds dead on first boss

[hard mason]

it's just feels bad when you're at the bottom above the tanks but still get the 90+ parse lol.

[balmy condor]

oops fixated on vorasius

oops orbs dead on salad

[royal lantern]

i did that today and IMMEDIATLY got called out in voicechat for doing it

[balmy condor]

oops orbs dead on dragons

[royal lantern]

by the fucking MM hunter that always padds like crazy

suck my balls

[balmy condor]

oops tanks are doing dumb shit on paladins

oops alleria p1 exploded before you got cds

oops dps stop on bird

[stuck lodge]

I just explained that I know what I'm doing and can cloak it (and then didn't and fucked it up)

but in theory, it works

[hard mason]

Only boss i remember i had fun progressing was tbh Alleria. atleast as a rogue

[balmy condor]

he got flamed because he went down on a group he wasn't supposed to, not because they don't know he can

just REEEEEEE YOURE GROUP ONE

GO GROUP ONE

WHY ARE YOU IN GROUP TWO

REEEEEEEEE

NOT ENOUGH DPS UPSTAIRS

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

ADDS NOT DYING UPSTAIRS STOP GOING DOWNNN

[stuck lodge]

But... We don't hit adds upstairs

thats a ranged thing

until the very end anyway

[balmy condor]

you definitely do

[fallow canopy]

I do not

[fresh kelp]

you know the best crystal damage spec isnt even a dps

our ppal oneshots them in a single gcd

[solar wyvern]

We just put fixate adds in melee range and dont get a second laser set

[balmy condor]

I'm itching for CT

[solar wyvern]

2 heal strat

Kekw

[hard mason]

Im pondering if the 3% damage reduction we bring is even useful when everything oneshots you now adays hah.

[balmy condor]

yeh we're getting there

[balmy condor]

well the thing is that if you do all the pass/fail mechanics, there is not a single one shot really

midnight got rid of 90% of the one shots

[solar wyvern]

In reclear the other rogue padded her mind off and we actually had a bad crystal killing comp so it was ETHICAL PADDING

Wrong week to play outlaw

[hard mason]

l'ura is just pain. because every single pull. one person fucks up and kills everyone. guaranteed it almost feels like.

[fallow canopy]

that's the fight tho

[stuck lodge]

This is my first time raiding since like Wrath, but I'm seeing a lot of people complain about lura

is it the removal of addons, or is the fight just really annoying/bad?

[solar wyvern]

Ye its just a 20 people need to learn the fight kindof fight

[hard mason]

its just one of those fights where you wipe P1 30 times per every p2/p3 pull

[solar wyvern]

No carrying

[fresh kelp]

this is just not normally

[hard mason]

doesn't help we had to get a new tank (that's not DK) because one quit playing. and our 2 other DK's both quit due to IRL. so we're down to 1dk. ;_;

[balmy condor]

they made a cool mechanic that would've gotten solved via weakauras and instead it got solved via addons + macros and it's kinda janky to set up

also p1 is just

very hard

and you're relying on 5-6 people to not get hit by anything

[stuck lodge]

specifically the symbol shit right? and I guess the crystals

[hard mason]

Symbals is the easiest mechanic.

[balmy condor]

yeh the symbol shit is solved with addons, but that's not why people wipe

[thorn thorn]

Fyrakk established that this was a very annoying thing to do

[balmy condor]

symbols could be done without addons and would be much cooler imo

but there's so much other shit happening

[hard mason]

one of the crystal people get clipped by spinner. dead. accedentally forget to drop it to soak mechanic. wipe

etc etc

[balmy condor]

and if a crystal carrier decides to lick the chalk off the sidewalk

you're just fucked

[fallow canopy]

doing it natty plus everything else is kinda insane

[balmy condor]

they have to permanently play hot potato with themselves on every mechanic

it blows

[fallow canopy]

doable but would add so much

[balmy condor]

yeah

[hard mason]

then you HAVE to carry 6 of these crystals through the entire fight to P3 wihtout loosing one. or its wipe

[balmy condor]

like the symbol thing

would be really cool to do without addons

if you didn't have everything else as well

[fresh kelp]

the symbol addon is barely even doing anything tho

[balmy condor]

it's part of why halondrus was so cool

[hard mason]

Symbols would be solved by 21st raider.

[balmy condor]

yeh that's possible too

I remember sitting in a skype call on halondrus with my bomb buddy while we both sat in discord with each other muted

[fresh kelp]

like instead of the numbers you could just have your 4 players make 5 macros that say "triangle T x" etc. and just look at the order they appear in raid chat

no addon required

[balmy condor]

and we would just yap

it was peak

[fresh kelp]

that's basically what the addon does already just with symbols instead of the word triangle

[hard mason]

Im So glad atleast NS implemented the symbols thing. so we didn't have to fuck around with meekauras.

[fallow canopy]

meekauras my beloved, if not for it I would always forget to supercharge prepull

[stuck lodge]

Is that some deathstalker thing I'm too fateseeker to understand

[balmy condor]

to what

meekauras?

[fallow canopy]

on sub

[balmy condor]

supercharge?

[stuck lodge]

supercharge

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a sub thing

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

they use dance at the start of the pull timer

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

to get supercharger stacks

we don't play supercharger on any build

[hard mason]

Im very happy WA isn't a thing much anymore. Because i despice the screenclutter. and that every guild required em for everything. xD

[balmy condor]

yeah except you still are required to have everything

it's just 6 addons now

instead of a weakaura

[fallow canopy]

yea...

[hard mason]

We only used Northern Sky this tier.

and 95% of that was for healers

[balmy condor]

we've been using northern sky, exrt, and rc for years at this point

removing weakauras just meant having to set up northern sky and macros

which would've been handled with everyone having a wa instaed

but like in terms of clutter it's all identical

[hard mason]

Only thing i really miss myself about the addon "nerfs" is Details stuff. I was religiously checking damage breakdowns and such stuff in details every pull lol. now i gotta have logs on my second monitor :P

[fallow canopy]

death recaps 🥀

[spice surge]

Yeah but atleast we have....and eh...yeah

No more weakaura bosses! (except the ones that require a weakaura)

[hard mason]

Also this tier could not end fast enough. (I wanna throw my puzzle box in the trash as fast as i can)

[spice surge]

You can play sub and not have to use puzzlebox!

(but you still cant macro guidon because sub has a bug)

[fallow canopy]

cast guidon and... wait

1 sec

[hard mason]

My fingers would fall off ifi have to play Sub again.

[spice surge]

Huh

[fallow canopy]

sub right now is not a finger feller

[spice surge]

Thats outlaw

[fallow canopy]

yea

[balmy condor]

1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2

requires a high IQ

you wouldn't get it

[fallow canopy]

old age got to me

i cant' play outlaw

[balmy condor]

boli pushing 30

[hard mason]

my point.

[spice surge]

Thats why i have rick and morty shorts on the guide page

[balmy condor]

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

So happy weakauras cant automate the game for me anymore

All we had to give up was the game being playable

[spice surge]

Yeah and weakauras still automate the game

[hard mason]

Also i've been maining "Dot classes" for almost every expansion i've not tanked in. SP, Aff lock, Assa rogue. UH dk (when it was a dot class)

[thorn thorn]

ikr

Its like they never left

[latent kernel]

Honestly I think getting rid of weakauras on paper is a huge step in the right direction. Base UI should realistically incorporate 95% of the stuff weakauras was allowing

However

Blizzard fucking sucks at implementation

They literally had all of the source code for this shit and still botched it

Amazing

[fathom flax]

What’s the mythic Lura hot tips

Besides banging head into wall waiting for crystal carriers to get better

[balmy condor]

put on a podcast

[latent kernel]

Would recommend watching Spurs vs OKC

Absolutely insane series right now

[fathom flax]

🐐

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/uqQEHyG

[coral ibex]

if ur not assigned a kick then you just chill for most of prog

no agency

hope crystals dont get instakilled so you get some cleave

[fathom flax]

Boss 2 kick 4

Kinda ez mode

[coral ibex]

im not on a kick

[balmy condor]

I'm not on anything

say your shit @ember mural

don't back out now

I seen that ass

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/137430749946052608/1482840477035270286/v200.00.03.062-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[fallow canopy]

[ember mural]

[fathom flax]

I’m 200 pulls in just kinda

Bored, wondering if there’s any cool tech but it’s kinda just don’t die

[thorn thorn]

a stark contract from birb

[balmy condor]

me when I get you

[coral ibex]

its gonna go a lot faster now that p1 is nerfed

[fallow canopy]

Yea p1 nerf makes prog a lot smoother

[coral ibex]

we got a lot more p2 pulls on tuesday

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

we wiped in p2

[balmy condor]

about 100 times too many

because people are fucking idiots

and cannot hit adds

cause muh intermission dps

the intermission we don't get to

because THE ADDS DONT FUCKING DIE YOU MORONS

[fallow canopy]

💀

[lyric grail]

i hate people who not play lura hc and wanna go mythic lura and die all the time

[coral ibex]

nah 390 is wild wtf

[balmy condor]

least chinese guild

[fallow canopy]

One of our seed people quit in the middle of prog and that was... something

[lyric grail]

people die to glaives 60% on p1

its like hey guys i never get hit

whos the problem

[balmy condor]

our pull counts this tier have been atrocious man

[fallow canopy]

I think uber also had a shitton of pulls but they killed it pre nerf

[balmy condor]

these are not 40 pull bosses

[coral ibex]

38 for chim wtf

you guys are trolling

xd

[balmy condor]

we're very good at turning 5 pull bosses into 40

[fathom flax]

On phone so enjoy cool resolution

[balmy condor]

"you guys" and it's ranged kicks

[lyric grail]

bruh what is that comp xd

[fallow canopy]

We also have that "superpower"

[lyric grail]

Hey dk have u ever heard of @mouseover?

[haughty flicker]

actually its exactly a 40 pull boss apparently

[coral ibex]

we took 74 on paladins and 103 on crown which i think is high

i was miserable for all of this

[fallow canopy]

We didn't stop trolling

[worn geyser]

🪦

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

[worn geyser]

100 wipes ago i predicted pull 412 we kill so we might actually lottery

gchat kill predictions every one else's was like 345

[fallow canopy]

only 11 pulls left

[worn geyser]

we got no OT this week so we either kill tonight or everyone has a mega emo 3 day weekend lmao

[fathom flax]

I feel bad because being a crystal man would suck but it’s frustrating wiping to a small mis step and the raid blows up

Also had to reroll sub but I’m an ass man and you guys are cool

Way cooler than those other channel guys

[fallow canopy]

Sub channel is chill

[thorn thorn]

despair

[coral ibex]

man what if i just shot myself in the face instead haha in minecraft

[thorn thorn]

understandable

[worn geyser]

we're getting close to xd numbers with a boss that is prolly half the difficulty of that version, unfortunately sooo many crystal wipes

[severe meadow]

Actually really close to our pull counts

Alleria was 100 and paladins was 72

[coral ibex]

guess im done

[mortal crag]

Missing that other npx ring

[coral ibex]

no

its in my sub set

[mortal crag]

Does it sim lower?

[coral ibex]

yea

[mortal crag]

On assa

Oh dam

[analog field]

wedding ring on assa goes hard

[mortal crag]

Will the new sporefall ring be any good

Cause it’ll drop a couple ilvl higher

[coral ibex]

probably

more stats is usually better

[mortal crag]

It’s like 250haste/ though

[potent oracle]

is it fine to use rupture at 5 points?

[coral ibex]

yes

[coral ibex]

can rebalance stats elsewhere

[mortal crag]

Ye

[coral ibex]

for assa generally more stats is always better

[mortal crag]

U get the proc on nature damage too

[potent oracle]

mmm

[analog field]

the proc will be 0 dps

but stats and ilvl are good

[coral ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2SHvTWP9Ze7ZmcmwUCjqNr

[potent oracle]

whats the best dung ring to get

[coral ibex]

wedding ring or occlusion of void

[analog field]

It depends on your gear, but pit is good in general and ring is one of the best

[balmy condor]

WRONG!

[mortal crag]

Basically the same

[balmy condor]

it's gonna be at least 5

maybe 6

6 7?

[mortal crag]

Why’s that

[balmy condor]

because procs on items are tuned to absolute hell

[mortal crag]

I see

[balmy condor]

the npx rings, embellishments

[analog field]

also they don't work with spells etc

so by default they will not be good unless the proc is giga buffed

[errant swallow]

stats are good

[mortal crag]

It just says nature damage

[balmy condor]

the effect is 3 ppm hasted, 4k damage

so that's like

[mortal crag]

I thought all poisons were nature

[balmy condor]

maybe 20k?

[balmy condor]

yeah but that doesn't matter

it's a fixed proc rate

everything is

[severe meadow]

It’s not proccing non stop

[mortal crag]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

like you need to do nature damage to proc it in the first place

[severe meadow]

If it did it would be nuts

[balmy condor]

but you doing nature damage 5 times a minute or 5 thousand times a minute

makes no difference

[mortal crag]

But wouldn’t it just like proc when it could cause there’s always a poison on basically?

[balmy condor]

yeh

but that's like 3.5 times a minute

[wind totem]

Any chance the trinket might be worth something? Can you even use a voidcore to up its ilvl?

[balmy condor]

depending on your haste

which is higher than basically anything else

most effects are 2 ppm

[severe meadow]

Which

[mortal crag]

Sporefall crest

[balmy condor]

so like even random trinkets doing damage or whatever can usually saturate the proc rate

[spice surge]

Presumably you cant upgrade it with the voidcore as its 298 already

[balmy condor]

it's extremely easy

[balmy condor]

yeah like this thing is 2ppm not hasted

[mortal crag]

It’s got the sporefused thing wheeler the core line would go

[spice surge]

But yes the trinket looks fine, i cant say its absolutely better than plume or gaze but should be similar

Maybe slightly worse

[balmy condor]

yeh

[wind totem]

Already got everything bis was just wondering if im gonna change any items with the new raid lol

[balmy condor]

seemed okay

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095046596833583185/1459525148792324226/67.avif

[mortal crag]

The belt probably

[spice surge]

Well yeah, the new items are higher ilvl

So theyre better

[mortal crag]

And the helm is tier

[spice surge]

Helmet too

[balmy condor]

you're for sure equipping the ring, the helmet, the belt

[severe meadow]

Oh magical ball

Do we kill bird tonight

[balmy condor]

and probably the neck as well tbh

even though it's a healer proc

[spice surge]

Probably equipping neck too unless you got lura neck

[balmy condor]

yeh

[mortal crag]

Would leach proc that neck

[balmy condor]

the only thing that's like a ???? is the trinket

[thorn thorn]

no

You get perma stuck at 10%

[spice surge]

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

[spice surge]

Proc seems piss either way

Doesnt matter much

[balmy condor]

they go back and forth on whether leech counts or not

but yeh

[wind totem]

Sounds good. So I wont ever be mad about what I bonus roll

[balmy condor]

the proc sounds awful

[mortal crag]

Yeah it does

Just wondering what they count as healing

[balmy condor]

unless it's like 15 ppm

yeah nah it's 2 ppm hasted lmao

that's so shit

[mortal crag]

Are you just dropping a bunch of mushrooms constantly too

[balmy condor]

12k damage per minute

legit 200 dps proc

[analog field]

it's more than 0

[mortal crag]

Better roll for it against the healers

They’ve had it too good for too long

[balmy condor]

I mean the ring proc is closer to 300

so

you're probably right honestly

[thorn thorn]

im sorry

[analog field]

300 per proc ?

[thorn thorn]

its not me

[balmy condor]

these numbers do indeed

[analog field]

or per minute?

[balmy condor]

seem more than 0

300 dps

[thorn thorn]

I just saw your fate in the ripples of the universe

120 pulls minimum on birb

[analog field]

ah so if I am doing like 1k dps my parse will be like 33 % higher

[balmy condor]

something like that

the procs both seem to basically be a little weaker than npx set or alleria neck

they're in that range, maybe weaker

0.3% type shit

0.4% with some vers 0.5% if you're getting lucky on it

[mortal crag]

I ain’t getting that Valeria neck so

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean you wouldn't want it for assa anyway

it's hard to fit into a gear set with how much fucking haste that thing has

[wind totem]

I got it in my vault this week. Picked up tier shoulders from m+ row instead

kinda unfortunate that its not good for sin

[balmy condor]

but all the sporefall stuff is just higher ilvl

so

[wind totem]

I like cantrip items

[balmy condor]

higher ilvl good

lets fucking gooooooooooooooo

NUMBER GO UP

[spice surge]

Sub deathstalker haste goblers eating good (for the dozens of them out there)

[severe meadow]

I feel like we did pretty alright for no raid plan on it

With an hour of prog

[balmy condor]

proud sub deathstalker haste gobbler

reporting for duty

[wind totem]

Bird is kind of a joke now. My shit rank 1k guild killed it in 63 pulls.

[severe meadow]

Yeah the soaks are so free now

[analog field]

my 1k guild is at 80-90 pulls and for the love of God we can't play phase 2

[wind totem]

The end of the seconds p1 is the hardest part. Lets hope you have enough immunity soaks and you are told to go do orbs with cloak.

[analog field]

or second p1 w/e

[wind totem]

I mean its the only hard part of the fight

everthing else is a joke

It becomes hectic around the time of the second line orbs in second p1.

we just sent full cds into bird whenever they are ready

and just deal with the remaining 20% of the egg hp without cds

[spice surge]

Unfortunately deathstalker does require some thinking

[wind totem]

even had 2 adds during the intermission

[analog field]

we die on the first adds in the second p1

[wind totem]

How?

[analog field]

only once have we killed them and it was instantly wiped

[wind totem]

lol

[analog field]

Usually we lose many people on orb soaking after egg

[wind totem]

You mean the one immediately after the egg phase?

where he spams aoe?

[analog field]

y

[wind totem]

You need someone with immunity to soak those orbs

you never touch them without an immunity

[analog field]

we do, but still sometimes and orb is not soaked and no one else risks to soak it

and it just goes onto boss xd

[wind totem]

Thats like giga stupid

better 1 person dead than 20

[analog field]

I agree

[severe meadow]

Are you immune soaking the group soaks or orbs?

[wind totem]

We never immuned soak the group soaks.

if all the ranged go in there you take like 15% of your hp

if not less

[severe meadow]

Yeah we planned to do it but after we realized it does fuck all damage

We stopped doing it

Melee stay on boss

[analog field]

I do orbs along with another rogue and a pala

[severe meadow]

No hunters?

[analog field]

Hunters do the first orbs of the fight

and some later (we haven't gone there yet)

[severe meadow]

Gotcha

[analog field]

I think it's us 3

[wind totem]

You need just 2 people for line orbs

in our guild it was me and a hunter

he does first in p1 and i do second in p1

[analog field]

we don';t soak the lines

[wind totem]

than the same in second p1

[analog field]

we soak the orbs that come randomly after egg phase

[wind totem]

Yeah and we have a paladin for those orbs

[analog field]

one is enough ?

[wind totem]

Honestly not sure

[analog field]

we have 3 and we still don't clear them xd

[wind totem]

we have 2 but im not sure if both of them do it

at that point

i can check

Yeah they both do it at that point

So you need 4 immunities total

2 with short cd for lines and 2 with whatever cd for that part specifically

[analog field]

our tanks clear the lines I think, and we are 3 for the random orbs but somehow one ends up on boss, cause it is not easy to say where each of us is going. We have the paladin going towards the soak spot, and the 2 rogues go to the other direction

[wind totem]

The more of the lines you soak the less orbs you have later coming to the boss

those orbs specifically are the ones that are the lines from the intermission so they ar ealways many of them

[analog field]

yeah I know , I feel we arew doing something wrong tbh

[wind totem]

thats why we do immunity soaks on lines cuz it makes the rest of the fight less hectic

The problem with using rogues at that point is that our cloak is only 5 seconds

pretty sure bubble is like 8

or more

so hunters and paladins would be best for that part

[analog field]

Yeah but I can soak like 3-4 balls without immunity if they are the right colour

[wind totem]

You are soaking during a color change

you can never be sure you will be the right color

[analog field]

but in the end of cloak it has finished no ?

[jolly isle]

i love rogue but gd melee is hard

[wind totem]

idk im not on that soak so im not familiar with the timings

[deep latch]

Anyone know how to add an execute threshold to plater?

[analog field]

Don't think it's possible ?

[deep latch]

I have it on my DK

for reaper

idk what is doing it tho

[deep latch]

Yeah but not showing

unless just doesnt work for assa

[balmy condor]

Fascinating that they still let you do that

Didn’t know it was an option

[deep latch]

Yeah its just a nice little qol

but havent seen it work on assa vs other execute classes

idk

prob a blizz thing

[cinder seal]

Hello some body try use Negotiable Contract + Sudden Demise on Vaelgor & Ezzorak mobs, or maybe you know how to use it in other situations, but i think it's has the place to be for this boss, a difficult to implement, but still, in the talent statistics its not taken (0% stats is not fair).
Or it's because killing him is no longer relevant. Am i wrong?

[wanton depot]

stupid question, which 2 lethal poisons are we using?

[thorn thorn]

deadly and amp

[wanton depot]

is it okay to macro potion and racial into deathmark?

[knotty vapor]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5LesZOBinyQj4fpis2H5no?si=43b0a9bb5d01436d

typa shit playin in my head while RLs discussing paladins strats

[balmy condor]

nobody is running negotiable contract

it's

REALLY bad

[coral ibex]

ITS A CLASSIC

[balmy condor]

like

REALLY

bad

[haughty flicker]

no u

[knotty vapor]

i just read it for the first time, what situation is that supposed to be designed for

i actually dont see why that would ever be better than 10% damage

[severe meadow]

fake QoL

[coral ibex]

hey bb how many ticks of gar and rup need to occur to be worth the energy + talent point for CT to spread vs just slamming envenom cleave

[balmy condor]

a noob who doesn't understand how their spec works

taking it because it sounds cool

[balmy condor]

infinite

[knotty vapor]

the situation where someone is consistently deathmarking an almost-dead target often enough that they need that talent

thats crazy to even bother designing something for

[blazing tulip]

Is there any way to see on logs how much damage was absorbed with immunities like cloak, bubble, etc?

[coral ibex]

so i shouldnt ct here

theres so much variance in each crystal phase

its hard to compare

sometimes i think the spread bleed damage helps but maybe im just coping

i would just be swapping ct for doomblade

[knotty vapor]

you're getting like 3 ticks at most for how long those things are alive

[balmy condor]

you should CT there and envenom because it's worth pressing CT over Fok

[coral ibex]

https://klipy.com/gifs/231-3--k01KS6ND5DZRG03E3YSCZ4PP956

[potent oracle]

baffling how people still dont know mech's even in 10s

275 ilvl but dont know to kick adds in ick fight

[thorn thorn]

Healer issue if you die to that in a 10

[balmy condor]

yeah fr

[thorn thorn]

That right there is the one time in pit the healer gets to feel something on a 10, let them enjoy it

[balmy condor]

healer issue if you die to the one shot mechanic

should've healed through it

[thorn thorn]

see you get it

[potent oracle]

idk i just got baffled seeing both dps sitting on boss with every add needing to be kicked

i hate pos

[thorn thorn]

I only kick the deathbolt one

Other 2 are a healer issue as far as I care in a 10

[severe meadow]

@analog field yeah those orbs out of intermission go wacky

[fallow canopy]

go to your markers gulp

[thorn thorn]

bruh

what was that person doing

[coral ibex]

wiping us because he forgot to put down markers

[storm forum]

when did we swap back to shrouded suffocation over regicide's reward in the raid build?

[balmy condor]

maybe second week of the season?

[haughty flicker]

i dont like paladins

[worn geyser]

its a tuesday angle i guess

[balmy condor]

jesus

[storm forum]

I will continue to regicides

cause it has haste on it

and i have an addiction

[worn geyser]

is ct the move on lura i was running cosmos build idk i seem to be not able to pad enough for it CT \to be worth with double ele sham, devo and ww with the ww getting pi'd seems definitely worse

[old obsidian]

emm....

[severe meadow]

All we gotta do is simply kill the bird

[thorn thorn]

how many pulls

[balmy condor]

you play doomblade over CT

and keep caustic

[severe meadow]

like 30-40

we're almost getting to 2nd egg

like 39% first egg

[coral ibex]

bro why did you tell me to press CT earlier

[worn geyser]

thats actually why i asked after i saw ur post lol i was like damn should i swap to ct

[balmy condor]

you asked whether you should press the button

not whether you should talent it

what do I know

you're better than me

maybe you're add fucker

who am I to judge

[coral ibex]

well i did ask how many bleed ticks makes the ct talent point worth it

but fair

[coral ibex]

i am not

not even remotely

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

this is with CT all night

[balmy condor]

big

[worn geyser]

yo ur cranking!!

no ct is negative pad

[solar wyvern]

Hps parsing my goat

[old obsidian]

well go st all bosses then?

[coral ibex]

bro you literally have more asp

suck my back

[balmy condor]

all suck points

cause I'm the glizzy globber

the glorpin glizz

[coral ibex]

oh wait you dont

because you are a fraud

with no asp for belo on assa

[balmy condor]

shut up

shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up

[coral ibex]

mogged

[haughty flicker]

my theorycrafter is a fraud

[old obsidian]

[coral ibex]

man there's nothing like coming off an awful prog night and getting in some fraudwatch hate

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665286745822330950/1498131305878257814/twitter-gif-2048486970041757796-ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[old obsidian]

[coral ibex]

im the fraud i can't parse this tier to save my life

[old obsidian]

what happen

_>

[mortal crag]

how do you get this display

[old obsidian]

yeah you are still very far away (?) jajajajja

[celest ruin]

no idea how to parse in crown, I think were missing some puddles on demiar or something

[severe meadow]

Healing parse

[worn geyser]

bro is crimsonvialmaxxing

[severe meadow]

xd

[old obsidian]

jajajajajaajjaja

[mortal crag]

leechmaxed

[haughty flicker]

vial gaming

[severe meadow]

I'm not healmaxxing

[old obsidian]

out of my sight no healmaxxing

[coral ibex]

healer job bro

[worn geyser]

bro does not fuck with leech enchants

[coral ibex]

correct

speed only

[coral ibex]

i have base leech and literally all speed enchants

[wind totem]

Regicide sims better on pure st. I assume we take it whenever we take CT in raid?

[coral ibex]

i have like 185 speed from terts

im fast af

[worn geyser]

what % is that

[old obsidian]

new meta bro healmaxxing

[haughty flicker]

https://klipy.com/gifs/senator-armstrong-meme--k01KS6YPAZGHEHZWHPTD8ANH53V

[coral ibex]

im at 127% ms

[worn geyser]

that is crazy

[coral ibex]

yea im fast as fuck

i can walk across the p1 beams easily

sometimes i take the long way bc of glaives and its still ok

[potent oracle]

how much is it to craft the bis dagger rn

[worn geyser]

the extra leech is kinda noticeable a bit when u get stack it but idk movespeed would be kinda nice

[coral ibex]

ive never leeched my way out of rotting out

but you can run out of a death zone

[potent oracle]

only got 9k gold and a thank you to give

[wind totem]

go do some world quests

[coral ibex]

better for chasing crackhead tanks too

[old obsidian]

bro! 100 on kill, crazy!

[worn geyser]

fair idk, its like 2x better than the slice n dice heal talent we take for healing but the movespeed definitely seems good for dodging tho

[haughty flicker]

speed is always the answer

because its more fun

[balmy condor]

realisitically just shrouded forever honestly I can't imagine the sim difference would make regicide worth ever

like in what fight do you want haste after your cds

[wind totem]

idk im not smart enough so i trust sims. Sims say 0.7% dps loss on pure ST.

[balmy condor]

going shrouded?

[wind totem]

yeap

[balmy condor]

whack

[wind totem]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4YyLMrogFXfgEadPKnHSdH

[balmy condor]

yeh

maybe vorasius and nothing else then

pog

[wind totem]

Yeah hence why I asked if it's only when we take ct

like we dont take CT on crown so i assume it regicide would be better there too

since its just garrote dmg

and 2 cps every 2 mins which is nothing

[potent oracle]

is 9k not enough

[wind totem]

I mean in general. I dont know how you survive with so little gold

[potent oracle]

well i have 9k bc of the repairs

[mortal crag]

You could get a craft for like 5 but like

Poverty land

[potent oracle]

both my dagger still adventure gear

so i kinda need to replace them asap

[haughty flicker]

[potent oracle]

got myth back at least

[severe meadow]

Bel.. fund this guys dagger..

[haughty flicker]

sorry that doesnt sound very ethical

funding weapons for criminals?

i prefer to stay out of politics

[spice spire]

Fund me papa bel

[potent oracle]

wait whats the embellishment for the crafted dagger

[spice spire]

[wind totem]

Are you perhaps a redditor? This is such a wild thing to say.

[potent oracle]

wtf

[haughty flicker]

dude

thats fucked up

you cant say the r word here

[potent oracle]

[fallow canopy]

why are we insulting the dude/dudette outta of nowhere

[spice spire]

Real we need to remember that bel betrayed us and is a priest main now

Stay focused

[haughty flicker]

i would never

[fallow canopy]

[haughty flicker]

[fallow canopy]

at least its not an evoker

or a boomkin

[haughty flicker]

i'd play evoker if i didnt have to be a dragon

ngl

[fallow canopy]

based

[haughty flicker]

i say that as my priest is a dragon

[fallow canopy]

unbased

[haughty flicker]

but i dont have to see it

glide is based

[spice spire]

Me when I lie

[haughty flicker]

lying proves im a rogue

[potent oracle]

[thorn thorn]

This is what shadow does to someone

Makes them dishonest

[haughty flicker]

You're just jealous I get special whispers from xalatath

[thorn thorn]

She talks to everyone

You aint special

[haughty flicker]

Yeah but shadow gets special lines

That other people dont

[thorn thorn]

“Wow look at you playing priest in 2026, pathetic”

Is probably what she says

[haughty flicker]

I honestly think shadow is one of the least ruined specs after midnight

[thorn thorn]

One of probably

Up there with aug, havoc, rsham(?) and assa

As the few people that actually won from the midnight changes

Every other spec lost some degree of something that made it feel slightly worse

[haughty flicker]

I think the main issue for shadow is losing voidform extensions

Bc that was the only reason archon was any fun

Vw is fun still but you dont play it outside of paladins

[thorn thorn]

I have to disagree cuz the voidform extensions made the spec unfunly punishing of downtime

Like devourer

Devourer and aug easiily are the most punishing for downtime and its not even close

[haughty flicker]

It was punishing yeah, but vw was close enough that you could play it on fights with big downtime and not feel bad

[thorn thorn]

And probably dev ig idk

Who plays dev in 2026

I dont like archon tbh

I think halo is lame on shadow

Even if it does lots of dam

[haughty flicker]

Halo is boring compared to torrent

I like it on hpriest

But not shadow

[thorn thorn]

Ya

Halo is just weird because it was designed way better for holy than shadow

[haughty flicker]

It also just randomly decides not to hit shit as shadow

Which is cool

Also was very fun when it would silence you on paladins

[thorn thorn]

Like have this button every minute that pulses 3 times, makes things vulnerable to damage, does a ton of damage, also randomly gives you a super powdered mindflay, and will just inexplicably miss enemies in range of it

[fallow canopy]

Do you just have to be like 60 yrds away so you don't cuck yourself?

[thorn thorn]

Yes

Legiterally

[haughty flicker]

People legit started playing vw on pally bc of that

It did eventualy get fixed

[thorn thorn]

The halo is a 40yd circle around you

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

And it moves with you

And it expands and contracts 3 times

It sounds cool until you realize one of the buggiest spells in the game is a very strong cd for you

[thorn thorn]

The rift is cooler

Funny orb

[fallow canopy]

The black hole? Ts looks cool

When it came out I thought about creating a priest just because of it but never did

[haughty flicker]

Thats legit what made me try shadow yeah

I love the cosmic void thematic

Ik a lot of people dont like it as much as the old gods lovecraftian stuff but I just think it looks cool

[fallow canopy]

It does look very cool imo

[haughty flicker]

I wish they'd lean even further into it for shadow

Instead of just purple tentacles

As fun as tentacles can be

[thorn thorn]

This is exactly why i probably become a devo man

I like the cosmic void blue

Very pretty

[lilac saffron]

Hey everyone I have question, as a new player (just started this expansion) I am trying to orient my gear to Murlok, trying to get BiS gear for every slot, however, I think Gaze mythic is going to be problematic. I currently have something else in its place and if I sim Gaze mythic, the DPS difference would apparently be around 3k, around %1 increase. So my question is this, does having this Gaze really matter that much?

I could just try for Heroic Gaze and call it a day

[golden loom]

heroic gaze is going to be your 2nd best option

puzzlebox is kind of locked in as your active trinket
then the passive would be myth gaze > myth plume (from beloren so even harder to get) > hero gaze > hero plume >>> other random passive trinkets

For example theres Solarflare prism from Skyreach, which is a passive crit trinket, its not bad but a hero gaze is still going to be like 0.8% better than a myth solarflare prism

[lilac saffron]

I use Solarflare prism right now

so the sim is trustworthy in the sense that it is literally a 1% increase and that is what makes it good?

[golden loom]

ye its just way better than any dungeon trinket

[lilac saffron]

alright thanks for the help!

[plain hawk]

Meow 🐈‍⬛

[onyx veldt]

[novel dock]

should i drop Sudden Demise build from 13 and up? everyone so strong im afraid that ill do so little dmg. (currently 280itm lv)

[balmy condor]

probably safe to run it until like 16's or something at this point

[strange onyx]

You have changed

[novel dock]

gotcha~ thx

[golden loom]

whispyr got a big payout from Big Demise...

[strange onyx]

I am scared of talking

What if he banishes me again?

[normal mist]

Only if you do your job right

[white holly]

ive been running no SD in 10s

[balmy condor]

I mean that's totally fine

[buoyant herald]

surprised how high double on-use is simming for me

puzz and guidon is only like 1% behind puzz+solarflare

[balmy condor]

compared to solarflare?

lmao yeah

I believe that

that thing is a piece of shit

[buoyant herald]

gonna need to roll better then i guess

pretty sure both hero gaze and bird trinket are gonna be better but eh

[balmy condor]

yeh

I would assume so

[thorny notch]

Hello everyone! New to rogue! Which Rogue Spec is the easiest for 14-15s keys (m+ only) and which one can flex more in fast pulls in 10s?

[balmy condor]

easiest? by far sub

probably sub for 10s as well

but sub these days is basically 3 buttons

[runic hinge]

The amount of shit you can macro together is wild

[balmy condor]

sub went from one of the most complicated specs to one of the least complicated specs

[runic hinge]

Yeah. It’s kinda fun

[balmy condor]

ye

[runic hinge]

(It doesn’t play puzzle box)

[balmy condor]

welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[runic hinge]

lol

[balmy condor]

you either play puzzle box, which is probably better in keys

or you play guidon, and you can't macro it

so

[runic hinge]

I mean it doesn’t have to

[balmy condor]

kinda doomed regardless

[buoyant herald]

confirmed both are better by ~0.5%

[runic hinge]

I am playing feral and assa this patch. I’m doomed puzzle her box

[buoyant herald]

boo

[balmy condor]

the hero versions?