assassination

[iron thorn]

refreshing imp garrote would happen BEFORE i press CT right?

[balmy condor]

Yeh or you press another ct after

[waxen oyster]

I think ideally you ct again after applying an imp garrote?

[iron thorn]

now THATS why i sometimes hit 350k and sometimes chill at 300k

[waxen oyster]

ct once before the first env to get bleeds on all 3

then ct again after imp garroting with vanish

[iron thorn]

i really just want to be done with this boss

we 6 heal it now and i still have to be in

lowkey maddening

just gotta go like "yo guys, cya when we're @ l'ura. have a nice time"

[thorn thorn]

which one

birb?

[iron thorn]

nah paladins

[thorn thorn]

oh

[iron thorn]

from what i've heard alleria is not gonna be much more fun

but hopefully it'll be done quicker

[thorn thorn]

Chat who is gonna tell them

[thorn thorn]

Idk how to tell you this

But you prolly arent gonna have a good time on crown

[iron thorn]

alleria is not gonna be more fun, ik ik

but i chose this

[potent oracle]

do you guys think i can do a 10 WS with 252 ilvl

[thorn thorn]

You could do a 10 at 230

So probably

[iron thorn]

this being a) maining rogue and b) raiding in a casual mythic progress guild

i was between rogue, havoc and dps dk this season

[radiant otter]

a second garrote costs more, gives fewer combo points, and you will be extending with a vanish anyway so cast it once, spread bleeds for scent, and then just ct the extended one before the guy runs away

[iron thorn]

wanted to stick with the rogue, because my guild didn't have one

[potent oracle]

sub or assa better for that dung

[balmy condor]

I miss being a casual kinda

[iron thorn]

now THAT sounds like a plan

ty sir

[balmy condor]

the most gut wrenching thing is realizing you're better than the rest of your guild and not having fun anymore because they prog slower

[iron thorn]

well am I really a casual, or am i just choosing to play in a casual environment

[jaunty sky]

I tanked em at 250 youll be fine

[iron thorn]

i spend wayyyy too much time here to call myself a casual

i think

[iron thorn]

that was what happened in my old guild that disbanded during mugzee prog

went through the pain of applying for other, better guilds and either never hearing from them or not vibing with them

[thorn thorn]

I personally always play assa cuz sub is cringe

[iron thorn]

or there being some other caveats like a monthly consumable fee (+them also taking 100% of BoE sales)

[thorn thorn]

This is just casual raiding tbh

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's the thing, you're clearly not playing on that level, but you are playing at that level

I miss being bad enough to play at that level

and not feel bad

[iron thorn]

man our balance druid is parsing avg 99

in our guild

bro is just pissvibing

[potent oracle]

[balmy condor]

yeh I could never

[iron thorn]

i also got this spot in this guild without needing to apply and knowing some of my former guildies playing there

which was like the biggest argument for me joining

[haughty flicker]

[iron thorn]

i'd like to be in a like wr 400 guild

like idk, finishing beloren this week

[buoyant herald]

That’s always the ultimate late CE guild killer

[iron thorn]

starting few more weeks of fully nerfed l'ura prog

[buoyant herald]

Too big a variance in player skill

[iron thorn]

and logging out mid/late june

[balmy condor]

that's around where I am

[proven carbon]

world 400 is like p3 lu'ra now, no?

[balmy condor]

it's comfy

but still annoying these days

[proven carbon]

or is it p1 still

[iron thorn]

idk @golden loom what wr is ur guild?

[proven carbon]

wr 400 is currently ~56% p2 according to rio just now

[balmy condor]

yeh that checks out

[iron thorn]

ah okay

maybe up it to 500-600ish then

[proven carbon]

if you want belo this week its probably more along the lines of like 1k

[iron thorn]

ironically

that's something i definitely see myself in lol

i just don't have any CE title to prove that i can play at that lvl

[proven carbon]

just gotta put out the feelers

[thorn thorn]

I have never been a high parser but mechanically im confident in sayimg in better than most of the people in my guild

Most of the time anyway

Every 5 minutes there is a 1% chance I grief

[iron thorn]

and most guilds i applied at for s3 tww didn't take me because of that OR because i swapped from healer to dps

[proven carbon]

guild i'm trialing for is 700 rn and i've never gotten CE

[iron thorn]

i'd say the same for me

[iron thorn]

gj

happy for you

[proven carbon]

if you really want to, you can probably find a guild willing to give you a shot

in the range you're looking for

[thorn thorn]

I would try my luck with mythic or CE if I wasnt working night shift hours

[iron thorn]

In your case, we are looking for someone with more experience. You dont have any ce or logs from later bosses and you also want to change class and role. Its too much of a gamble for us

[storm forum]

I always say I wanna join like a top 300 or whatever guild, but i am way too scared to try and climb the ladder. Also I wanna play with my buds, even if we're race to world last trash.

[proven carbon]

sometimes they take that gamble though

[iron thorn]

like this was a msg i got after asking why a wr 1k gallywix kill guild didnt take me

[proven carbon]

there are thousands of guilds out there

dont let 1 decline get you down

[iron thorn]

nah it was more like 20 after that season

but i get your point

just send apps

especially because I DO have more logs now

[storm forum]

My guild has definitely sent rejection msgs basically saying this same thing.

[proven carbon]

post in a recruitment discord, send apps to 1, 2, 3 day guilds, whatever you're looking for

[balmy condor]

I've sent rejection msgs like that

[iron thorn]

and i totally get it

[mortal crag]

What’s a normal ce schedule like now days

[thorn thorn]

Boutta put one in just so you can reject me

uwu

[thorn thorn]

This was my strat

[iron thorn]

but also, like how am i gonna prove myself without a trial

[storm forum]

whispyr where's ur guild app at?

[thorn thorn]

I just put my post in the recruitment disc and waited

[balmy condor]

CE in what time frame

[storm forum]

we wanna get rejected

[thorn thorn]

Although apparently a lot of them cant read

[balmy condor]

you join the disc and type $apply

[thorn thorn]

Because I told them my times and days and they arent able to change due to work schedule

[proven carbon]

the amount of times i've listed that i dont have CE but then they ask if i have CE

holy moly

[iron thorn]

i had avg 95 or so in heroic that season and was like blue/purple parsing in 4/8 mythic pugs in liberation

[thorn thorn]

And I kept getting recruiters asking me if they could change

[iron thorn]

like what more can i do

[proven carbon]

wait until that guild takes a chance on you

its literally my story brodie

[mortal crag]

Uhhh I’m not sure, maybe by like now

[drifting cloud]

🥲

[balmy condor]

16ish hours

[storm forum]

when I was looking for a second guild for my priest, I had this same thing happen. Look I got main raids T/Th and IRL stuff F why cant any of you read plsssss

[drifting cloud]

ok lets relax there

[balmy condor]

he said "normal"

good guilds obviously do it faster

but there's a ton of guilds that just 4 day that shit

[proven carbon]

i joined a race-to-world-last guild and stuck with them for months of prog logs and tried my hardest
then recently i got a trial for my current guild

[mortal crag]

4 days per week?

[balmy condor]

I guess normal might be 12

like 4x3

but really depends on the quality of the guild

[mortal crag]

Haha maybe my ce days are behind me

[iron thorn]

3x4 i could stomach

[balmy condor]

like some guilds can do it 8 hours a week

[iron thorn]

but 4x3 is

[drifting cloud]

brother hof closed 2 days ago, ce isnt going away for 3 more months

[balmy condor]

yeh

[mortal crag]

I meant even trying tbh

[proven carbon]

why not?

[mortal crag]

I don’t got 4 free nights for raiding a week sadly

[balmy condor]

CE raiding and HoF raiding

are very different

[proven carbon]

2 day guilds get it done too

[mortal crag]

True could do 2

[proven carbon]

they might be late ce

but they still get it done

[mortal crag]

Not bothered by time frame just wanna do it

[proven carbon]

some 2 days are pretty good though and do it mid season

[storm forum]

my guild is only 6 hours a week, we usually get CE with time to spare unless something happens
-# (something always happens and we race to world last sweat it)

[drifting cloud]

theres 2 day guilds in hof

[balmy condor]

gl getting into those though

[drifting cloud]

not many, but they exist

[proven carbon]

exactly

[balmy condor]

those guilds are exceptionally good

[proven carbon]

im just trying to give hope to the fellow

that its possible

[spice surge]

Yeah the guilds getting HoF with less than 10 hours a week

Are really fucking good

[iron thorn]

my former guild got CE with Sarkareth. we went up to make reaching CE our clear goal after and then the guild fucking died within 2 seasons

[proven carbon]

i cant fathom the skill needed for that tbh

[spice surge]

Obviously in a different way than rwf

[balmy condor]

to be fair, there's a lot of hours outside of the raid times to prep

[spice surge]

Yeah

[storm forum]

that happened to my first guild after our first CE in nyalotha

[drifting cloud]

insert reloe tweet

[balmy condor]

they're just really good on executing on prep

[mortal crag]

Maybe I just stick to atoc and some mythics

[spice surge]

its a good one

[balmy condor]

which one of the 900 bangers

[iron thorn]

my biggest gripe with that season is: i progged sark for like 150 pulls until our other mw got back in. they killed it after 200 more pulls and then there was no more time for reclears. so no CE for me

[drifting cloud]

the 0.1% dps upgrade versus watching a boss guide

[storm forum]

god bless our raid leads, taking a whole ass second job to make our raid team work

[spice surge]

the "only 8 hours a week guild that spends 10+ hours a weekl prepping"

[proven carbon]

do whatever you enjoy
don't let a title or an achievement take the fun away

[balmy condor]

two different answers

[proven carbon]

i meannnn

[balmy condor]

reloe twitter is based

[storm forum]

what even counts as raid prep? are optional dungeon nights prep? grinding weekly delves/dungeons/whatever else gives currency?

[balmy condor]

depends who you ask I guess

[storm forum]

cause someone told me those are and idk if i agree

[spice surge]

Ye depends

[storm forum]

cause im just doing those cause they're fun

[bright turret]

Getting keys done before raid if it increases your lvl is def raid prep

Also includes studying the fight

[storm forum]

although delves only fun if ur grinding with the homies

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't count weekly stuff

like vaulting

but I would count pre-raid keys

[spice surge]

But i would say looking at fight logs and optimizing stuff like positions is definitely prep

That most people dont do

And that makes a way bigger difference than grinding for a +6 ilvls belt

[jaunty sky]

Do you raid on reset?

[balmy condor]

yeh we raid tuesday

[jaunty sky]

No you dont get it the 0.34 ilvls ON ONE CHARACTER are gonna kill this boss

[bright turret]

How often is a person willing to study the fight but cant be bothered to do a few keys though

[jaunty sky]

I literally dont have time and energy to slam keys before raid most weeks

[bright turret]

Usually if you have the drive, you're doing both if you have the time

[mortal crag]

Can look at logs/discussion at work, can’t do a key at work

[jaunty sky]

Truuu

[bright turret]

Unlucky for tuesday raiders though, they're SOL on time

[iron thorn]

i've played my rogue for 9 days since hitting 90. thats only like 3 hours a day

[storm forum]

I don't like prep cause I find they make the game less fun. Like I think raid fights are way more fun if I have no idea what the mythic mechanics do. When mythic dragons started with both on the ground I was rly hyped for it. This is also why I don't watch the WF race until someone says the end boss is in kill range. Cause the end is always hype and it always gets so nerfed it's not a spoiler for once my guild gets there.

[iron thorn]

man i actually am a casual

[haughty flicker]

blind prog is fine if everyone agrees to blind prog

can even be fun

[bright turret]

That's fine if you're in a guild that is cool with everyone doing blind prog

[storm forum]

sometimes I look at lorrgs though cause that doesnt spoil anything but tells me if i should save for something

[haughty flicker]

its not fun when you're trying for ce and someone decides to just not do any prep

[bright turret]

But you're just kind of sandbagging if your officers are putting in work to learn the fight and share info

[storm forum]

I only blind on the first night

[jaunty sky]

Also you can chill while picking through logs, even tho i only do it to either get my parse to where i dont feel like dead weight(blue) or to find out if somethings consistently going wrong

[haughty flicker]

i look at logs to make fun of people who get hit by stuff

[mortal crag]

Man if someone ran the fear breath into me in dragons and said they were going in blind

[storm forum]

a couple times I felt like shit cause p2 or p3 of some fight caught me off guard and I was like fuck we gotta pull like 15 more times to get in kill range cause im a stupid whore

[mortal crag]

I’d be mad

[jaunty sky]

What about complaining about ppl not doing mechanics or swapping to adds

[bright turret]

buddy

people that watch videos will breath the raid

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor fotm rerollers arent human

That is all

[mortal crag]

That’s true

[bright turret]

sometimes it just happens cause the game doesn't communicate info to you very well when there's a bunch of other things distracting you

[balmy condor]

true

[iron thorn]

full rerolls are cringe i agree. i often play a fotm alt just because i already have to sit in lfg for ages when my main isn't fotm

[storm forum]

some day I'm going to be a subhuman reroller

[mortal crag]

Idk that breath is pretty hard to miss imo

[storm forum]

cause I cannot play non-assa rogue/disc priest to save my life

[haughty flicker]

well now that im ranged i need to be the one not swapping to adds

and i never did mechanics

[lavish peak]

True enlightenment is rerolling to a poorly performing spec when your spec is good

[jaunty sky]

The one in intermission while u have the blue circle on you is bad

[bright turret]

i feel like personal aura stuff should be a bit more obvious on your UI, like the breath puts a little arrow above your head, but if you're stacked in a bunch of melee and watching other things can be pretty easy to miss

[thorn thorn]

I am sending you my source for this

[bright turret]

like healer staring at raid frame

[storm forum]

me this tier, swapping from disc priest to assa rogue

[drifting cloud]

pugging +19 is harder than hof raiding

[iron thorn]

i wonder if RL will let me carry a crystal on l'ura after dying so much to shields in early paladin prog lmao

[drifting cloud]

this is true elo hell

[iron thorn]

i really do like doing these carry mechanics usually

[jaunty sky]

I carried crystal on hc once

Dont wanna do that again

[iron thorn]

it's just that i know my guildmates by now

[storm forum]

just blame everything being the same color on paladins

[iron thorn]

and idk if i trust enough people to do that

[bright turret]

dont do a good job carrying crystal, or its your job rest of season

[iron thorn]

off the top of my head theres like 5 i'd trust with a crystal

[mortal crag]

I didn’t symbols one time

And now I I am the symbols boy

[proven carbon]

i gave up trying to even do 16s a month ago when i spent my entire night trying to get into 1 group

[iron thorn]

what i definitely do NOT want to do is click that damn memory game WA

[bright turret]

miss dimensius and his obvious mechanics, lura puts too much dependency on a handful of people being perfect

[mortal crag]

Yeahhhhh

If u got a couple of shitters it makes it such a nightmare

Cause they just don’t do the mechanic and it fucks everyone so hard

[iron thorn]

i also always have to think about

[proven carbon]

but my parse

[iron thorn]

how i haven't even pulled hc lura a single time yet

[mortal crag]

Gotta 99 parse

Doesn’t soak anything

[proven carbon]

who needs to soak when you can just kill the boss

[bright turret]

just make the boss's hp 0 before it does a mechanic, ezpz

[proven carbon]

exactly

[mortal crag]

We wiped on the room with the orbs like

A solid 10 times because people just not moving

[haughty flicker]

based

[spice spire]

We’re not Mormon here

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

I spent like 2 minutes straight trying to figure out what this was

[haughty flicker]

[hard pond]

hello rogue friends i have been trying all three specs and this is the last spec to try and i was looking at the opener and i was kinda lost is there a video guide that you recomend

[jolly isle]

do ya'll pool energy when you see KB or DM coming up?

[severe meadow]

a car

[thorn thorn]

[polar sail]

who can craft finger ?

[jolly isle]

/2

[severe meadow]

p3 first pull tonight, surely it dies tonight

[thorn thorn]

what boss again

birb?

or crown

[severe meadow]

crown

[thorn thorn]

surely

[severe meadow]

We had awful roster issues

Tank out for 6 weeks

Broke his arm

[polar sail]

no one respond

sadly

thats why i ask here

[haughty flicker]

unfortunately its against the rules here

whispyr might hit you with his car

[jolly isle]

this was me trying to change to trade channel in game to troll somebody

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

you probably shouldnt have done that

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202289538932678688/1482893814376173618/X2Twitter.com_IGDTiVp5ylooUGVb_360p-ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[haughty flicker]

im eating vanilla swiss almond ice cream

psychic link cant hurt me

[potent oracle]

try so hard but playing sub legit puts me to sleep fk this spec

[thorn thorn]

@royal lantern

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106266712573218856/1506420385799995412/n73j86k.gif

[thorn thorn]

thats what you think

[haughty flicker]

not with its current tuning

[severe meadow]

PB 2nd pull, we bird tonight

[thorn thorn]

oh boy

onward to hell

[balmy condor]

Good thing bel told you it’s against the rules here before I saw

Not getting run over by my car today

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-wow-gif-20115874

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-stare-gif-25611330

[bitter compass]

Is anyone running Toxic Stilleto for M+?
If so, why?

[balmy condor]

Cause what else would you take

Saves energy and lowers the cooldown and increases the range of your enrage removal

All great things

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

How many wipes

[fallow canopy]

I refuse to answer that

[potent oracle]

when does the energy problem get solved

[fallow canopy]

for legal reasons

[bitter compass]

I guess, I was thinking Deadened Nerved for the DR or Shadowrunner

[balmy condor]

Go for it

Useless talent vs useless talent vs useless talent

[balmy condor]

What does that mean

[bright turret]

if i cant press a button every GCD then energy bad

people who want wrist pain

[severe meadow]

3%

Tanks fucked up

[thorn thorn]

almost free of birb

or wait is that crown

[severe meadow]

bro we just talked about this

maybe we kill bird tonight too..

[haughty flicker]

[stuck lodge]

Are we just holding everything to spam CT and AOE on the orbs for M dragons?

[plain thistle]

no, envenom

[stuck lodge]

If we are trying to be a degenerate and parse

well yeah

envenom

[marsh fjord]

parsing is illigal in this discord bro

dont you know that?

[stuck lodge]

Nah, we gotta prove to the chuds that rogues deserve a spot on the M team

even through unethical means

[marsh fjord]

But yes if you want to parse on that fight you gotta CT when orbs come out for m dragons

[bright turret]

gotta make them bleed for that unethical sudden demise padding

[marsh fjord]

But then there is a boomy or any other aoe class that nukes them anyway and you cant parse

[potent oracle]

i was watching some rogue players and i noticed my tea is being drained so much more compared to them

[balmy condor]

Yeah that can happen I guess

Usually you’re out of tea charges after like 1.5 minutes

[potent oracle]

idk it just feels like people have more energy when i watch them in comparison to my own gameplay

[balmy condor]

And then it’s like 1 min cd so whatever

[potent oracle]

envenom gives bonus regen right

whenever its used when the bonus is active

[balmy condor]

There’s dashing and there’s the apex

Both give roughly the same amount

Well, tea also gives roughly that much

Aside from dropping the apex at 80 stacks you don’t control any of them

[turbid yacht]

Is my top gear for ST and Dungeon Slice different from the BIS list because Dwarves get Crit damage?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/thgFgkda65NT8Jk5ch9GdS
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mcrr5zhMfjkNad7Bex2qoE

or am I missing a gameplay thing that's not accounted for in sim?

[potent oracle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

That is a factor yes

But the bigger factor is just that “bis” is a fucking meme

When you have a loot pool with as many items as in wow

You can mix and match like 12 slots

Last I simmed there are over 400 combinations of “bis”

[marsh fjord]

Ah the good old comparison stream where everything was 0.1% last season good times.

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor im

like

I wanna use the word but I dont wanna get botted but you will know what i wanna say once I tell you

[balmy condor]

Weird cause I don’t see you in my DMs complaining about demon hunters rn

[thorn thorn]

This whole season I wasnt getting the damage and healing buff in voidspire and march cuz I didnt realize there were NPC's in each raid you had to talk to

Im actually so mad right now

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

I am actually so brain damaged holy shit

[fallow canopy]

aug brained fr

[balmy condor]

I have to double check on tomorrow but I think I might’ve lost the queldanas buff

I didn’t see it on my character on Tuesday

And I heard some people just fucking lost it

For no reason

Cause blizzard

[turbid yacht]

Do we have an idea on how good the gear in Sporefall is currently looking for Sin? Particularly the trinket and ring bonus, I imagine any ilvl increase on normal slots will be good.

[balmy condor]

It’s a 298 ring that can roll any stat and has a proc

So it’s by default better than any other ring that exists

[turbid yacht]

Is it still random stats?

[balmy condor]

Yes

The trinket looks kinda rubbish but that hasn’t stopped blizzard from buffing it 3x

Maybe they just buff it until it’s bis

[turbid yacht]

Understanding it's still PTR and could change, I was just curious about how it's currently looking

I was seeing set stats as well so was thinking they stopped being random

[balmy condor]

Weird

Last I checked it was still random

[lethal turtle]

I saw something that made it look like it was a haste heavy mastery ring

But Im still under impression it is random

[balmy condor]

It’s very heavy X very weak Y

And it picks them at random

It’s like the rng ring from one arm

[turbid yacht]

I wonder if random stats don't show up right then, links for anyone else wanting to see our new loot:
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=268283/festerbloom-crown?bonus=13786:13335
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=268286/sash-of-the-putrid-giant?bonus=13786:13335#dropped-by
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=268290/sporecallers-blooming-loop?bonus=13786:13335
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=268292/sporelords-mycelial-insignia?bonus=13786:13335

[balmy condor]

I would assume the database is giving bonus id’s for those by default

I’m not home to check but I asked our database people

[turbid yacht]

I'd actually rather have those stats on the gear, they're pretty good!

[balmy condor]

Yeah they confirmed that blizzard quietly added stats to the gear in this weeks build

[severe meadow]

boss was dead and simu went to the wrong platform bc someone baited wrong or some shit

so we die

xd

[marsh fjord]

What boss you on?

[severe meadow]

alleria

[marsh fjord]

ahhh

[severe meadow]

WE GO BIRD

[balmy condor]

Condolences

[severe meadow]

[pure bridge]

You are going to love holding dps for 10+ seconds.

[fallow canopy]

anytime now

[severe meadow]

Exactly 100 pulls

pog

[hard pond]

gratz

is assa fun i raid i am being hella smooth and the rotation is going over my head

[latent kernel]

The pure single target rotation is pretty simple, the hardest part I’ve found is on aoe deciding when spreading your bleeds is actually worth it

[hard pond]

i was trying to set up for raid tonight but it just went WAY over my head

i need to just fight dummt

[severe meadow]

It flows really well once you learn it

[knotty vapor]

is full BiS 290 or 291?

[balmy condor]

It’s like 290.7 or something

[knotty vapor]

cringe

[balmy condor]

Just wait till sporefall raid

Then it’s 292 I think

[knotty vapor]

oh true

[fallow canopy]

291 with no embellishments 😎

[knotty vapor]

yeah but then its not full bis

[balmy condor]

yes hello loot council I need a second dagger for my bag ilvl

[knotty vapor]

actually I've got like 3 298 daggers lol

just from failed m+ rolls

[fallow canopy]

for bragging reasons its bis

[severe meadow]

I bonus rolled leather legs that also dropped on Alleria just now

[knotty vapor]

bummer

NO NECK FOR U BUCKO

[severe meadow]

Neck didn't even drop

No neck for anyone

I don't think anyone rolled it

[knotty vapor]

feels so bad sitting on a 276 neck forever

[hard pond]

woh ok

[marsh fjord]

gratz broski

[severe meadow]

thanks twin

now I suffer on birb

[marsh fjord]

you got this

[golden loom]

800-1k range

[thorn thorn]

[lone pasture]

[balmy condor]

What are you doing here

Got tired of trolling porom?

[fallow canopy]

im free

[lone pasture]

yea

your my new target

[balmy condor]

We gonna kiss or what

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/you-chat-bubble-gif-15529978361673547987

[lone pasture]

[balmy condor]

My gf said it’s okay if I kiss other guys as long as I record it

[lone pasture]

LMAO

based gf

[balmy condor]

My name in her phone is “infinite yaoi generator”

[lone pasture]

jesus

[balmy condor]

You see the problem with coming in here and trying to troll me

Is that my brain is far more dented than you could even conceive

And I will always win

[lone pasture]

i dont really troll porom fwiw

i just link him 99t sims occasionally

and ping him in healer discs

[marsh fjord]

Good thing you didnt see what me and tyrant said earlier about you then

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nose-wave-gif-9324397838213614189

[jade abyss]

!bugs

is there no bugsheet or something for assa?

[balmy condor]

no

[analog hedge]

cause we are a fully functioning class with 0 bugs

💕

[balmy condor]

it's mostly cause the bugs we have don't matter

fixing them would not change anything

[jade abyss]

alright ty

[potent oracle]

!poisons

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[toxic ginkgo]

As a mouthbreather just breaking into rogue on higher keys would you guys recommend sin or outlaw to lock in and learn

[cunning needle]

Sin

Much easier

[balmy condor]

sin is a mouthbreather spec

sub is also a mouthbreather spec

outlaw is a spec for people that are half-conscious and aware of their fingers

[toxic ginkgo]

Nice, it feels easier for sure but Im choosing which wep to send my voidcore on so I'd figure I'd ask you kings

[balmy condor]

voidcores are infinite farmable

[spare kayak]

I must be in a coma cause I sucked as outlaw in keys.

[balmy condor]

so all good

[haughty flicker]

yeah but that would mean 5 more dungeons

[balmy condor]

you're right

[golden loom]

Nightmare prey and delves

[cunning needle]

I forget to breathe sometimes when im afking before my burst

[toxic ginkgo]

I only got so much time with this toon

[jade abyss]

What is a mouthbreather spec? o.o

[random fossil]

sin/sub

[rugged basalt]

gm

[spare kayak]

It's prohibited to nose breathe while playing said spec

[rugged basalt]

subs breathe when told to or something like that

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HIyVXCqbQAAlAcX.webp

Sorry

[potent oracle]

why does assa prefer crit over mastery?

[balmy condor]

seal fate/deal fate/dashing scoundrel

[potent oracle]

i see

[quasi coyote]

https://i.imgur.com/Z9zV1oN.png First 22 MC assa rog 😎

praise me

[normal mist]

No

[spare kayak]

A literal God

[quiet star]

what comp?

[keen raven]

got unbanned and found some peeps to play with, ill join u soon habibi

i think asa is lowkey better in mt/mc/pit

[quasi coyote]

https://i.imgur.com/mi2h5x9.png

[quasi coyote]

this

xd

[quasi coyote]

yea honestly agree but seat im forced to outlaw to kill tentacles

[keen raven]

Same

[quiet star]

rip feral in phys comp

[quasi coyote]

ye i mean i play with homies so

kinda just make it work

[quiet star]

my friends switched to guardian+monk healer and now I don't have sham to do anything
I guess if I want to continue I need to reroll

[quasi coyote]

yea well playing meta

makes it easier

forsure

but fuck the fotm rerollers bro

[keen raven]

yea i mean it legit took me 2months to find a couple players to play with me

cus every1 thought rogues were sht

getting invited to pugs is imposs too

[quasi coyote]

fortunately i have friends that are good that ive played with since DF

[mortal crag]

It was like a few months of people in here talking about rerolling to warrior

Fug dat

[quasi coyote]

they do flame me tho

for playing rogue

perma

also getting inv as rogue is near impossible unless its a phys comp

at least for 20+

cuz why tf would they inv a rogue over a dk/dh literally 0 reason

[spare kayak]

Ia there a log from this dungeon?

The 22 that is

I'm sorry, the 22 assa

[keen raven]

even then ur rarely invited lmao

[quasi coyote]

i swear bro rogue is least played spec but every time a phys comp key pops up there is in one already its just gg

or they inv another rogue like

where are they spawning from

[keen raven]

LMAO fr

[quasi coyote]

i think its public

[keen raven]

but IMO asa feels great as long as u can 2min start of fight/final

and if u get funnel

[quasi coyote]

yea its nice playing with arms war

even if im stealing his funnel

there is always mobs on bosses

just feels nice

[quiet star]

I currently playing a lot and still don't know what better comp is. I have friend on pala, but I hate to play with him because usually all pads are deleted and I can't funel as long as I need.

so it also easier to play meta because meta players already analyzed better comps for those classes

and you just do monkey approach

[quiet star]

it's already on 19 like that, if you didn't closed all 19

[keen raven]

rogue hunter war mw bear
rogue war feral rsham brew

im running ret war rogue rsham brew atm which is fine but i think the two comps above r better

[quasi coyote]

ret is def good

assuming the rogue is locked in the feral being swapped for dk or ret seems fine at least in my experience this season

they all kinda have same dmg profile and bring decent stuff utility wise

dk ofc mogs tho grip in itself is just broken

[jade abyss]

We have shroud

[quiet star]

I leveled up dk few days ago, it most broken shit from all my characters

even kick is 12 seconds

imagine 12 seconds range kick on class that have 2 stacks of grips, amz, green shell, heal for 60% of damage taken, and other shit

0 rumpup time

and assa rogue

that can idk, stun?

[jade abyss]

I mained dk from wotlk to end legion and switched to rogue bcs it was fun and for me cloak was so much better than ams now im rogue and i think ams is broken af

[jade abyss]

Tricks !

[quiet star]

if cloak doesn't defend you from something it should

[quiet star]

https://tenor.com/view/risada-risada-meme-gif-1808894066457451256

but I agree, with this rumpup time it useful ofc, especially when guardians constantly losing aggro on pulls from every damage tick

[jade abyss]

The most annoying part on tricks is to press it everytime

[quiet star]

nah

[jade abyss]

Thats why i enjoy sub with trickster

[quiet star]

most annyoing one is when you press but it's not pressed

[jade abyss]

Press once and forget

[quiet star]

because TANK ON THE MOUNT

[jade abyss]

[balmy condor]

idk I think the most annoying part of tricks is thinking it matters

[quiet star]

you can start spreading 6 seconds earlier and press your burst in more dots

at least that's something I said to myself

[balmy condor]

yeh the problem is that you pressing garrote is not generating shit for aggro

[jade abyss]

True

[balmy condor]

like either you're helping group the pack for the tank, in which case fine yes, use case

[quiet star]

but you need garrote + fan + rupture + garrote + CT

[balmy condor]

or you're using it as a defensive coming out of stealth

which, xd, doesn't work on first gcd from stealth

good one

or you're using it to transfer aggro, which, xd, you don't do shit for damage until you press kb

good one

[quiet star]

almost died from that few times

[balmy condor]

or you're using it to not rip aggro when you press kb, which, xd, how

[quiet star]

now not even trying

[rugged basalt]

I have not been using tricks the whole season

Was I supposed to bother with it

[balmy condor]

like the only reasonable use case I have ever heard for tricks is "my tank is triple pulling and I have to help pull one of them cause it's a mile away"

anything else is sort of massive cope

[rugged basalt]

So no

[balmy condor]

immo aura on a vdh generates more aggro in a single tick than anything you did in your tricks window

like it's just

[quiet star]

maybe but right now thrash init aggro is not that good

[balmy condor]

really pathetic

[quiet star]

and some mobs during long pulls can be not affected

[balmy condor]

I suppose

but you don't have init aggro either

[quiet star]

if I start CT i may have

especially if guy didn't trash all mobs

which is possible sometimes

[balmy condor]

bro it's 3am stop if I laugh any louder I'll wake up my neighbors

[quiet star]

[jade abyss]

Poor neighbors

[golden loom]

Lowkey the problem is playing other specs like I had tricks

Frost dk reapers mark breath dragon 2 seconds into the pull ripping aggro on legit everything

Or eye beam first global

[balmy condor]

yeh

[primal oasis]

So if you would open up on a pack without tricks while tank is gathering, you still wouldn't rip aggro?

[balmy condor]

like this is 10k fok damage, 10k threat (do rogues still have a 0.71 multi idk if that passive still exists)

thrash is doing 20k on a non-crit

and tanks have a 950% threat multi

so it's generating 190k threat

legit just 19x the threat of your fok

[quiet star]

like I said, sometimes tank not trash all mobs by mistake and etc

[balmy condor]

you're pissing in the ocean with tricks idk

[quiet star]

and you can pull it with aoe

maybe, but that's something I saw like people get random threat

[balmy condor]

like the ticks of moonfire are doing 3x your threat

yeah

[quiet star]

or when I shadowstep into mobs that were pulled by reaction on moonfire

[balmy condor]

"people"

not assa rogue

[quiet star]

obvious answer

we have tricks

and ofc I don't see other rogues

[balmy condor]

if you're playing fury warrior and just giga fuck the pack on pull with a 3 milllion heaven's axe from the sky rending rage worldsplitter cosmic eruption event

[quiet star]

I'm the only one in my key

[balmy condor]

then yes

that will pull aggro

your dinky little pathetic bullshit fok and zdps garrote casts

are not doing fucking shit

[quiet star]

I guess we need petition to blizzard to rename skills

pathetic bullshit instead of fok sounds nice

[worn geyser]

sin tricks sucks they should make perma tricks baseline

[quiet star]

proper specs have

[balmy condor]

I'm going to actually fucking scream

how is that the takeaway

[worn geyser]

oh i didnt come to that from what ur saying, i agree with u but i just would like it

[quiet star]

neighbors bro

[balmy condor]

bro I'm holding it in so bad

you have no idea

my cheeks are puffed

entire face is going blue

[drifting cloud]

[marsh fjord]

bro relax

[quiet star]

sounds like reroll into frost dk

[balmy condor]

I look like an asphyxiating chipmunk here i'll take a selfie to prove it

[marsh fjord]

bruv just wants to make a selfie

[marsh fjord]

and putting this up as a excuse

[balmy condor]

Actual selfie btw but it’s 4am

Believe me though

I’m shaking and crying

[quiet star]

stealth?

nice

[balmy condor]

Tricks on auto cast yep

[quiet star]

but we should see tank then

dont lie to us

[balmy condor]

Tank is on the way to pull the sun

[quiet star]

you didn't take tricks

[balmy condor]

He’ll be back in a second

[golden loom]

This could be 2 globals of fok!

[quiet star]

wtf

[golden loom]

(its not even 1 frost dk spender)

[balmy condor]

Hilariously the upfront damage of one thrash is still more

That’s for sure pulling from moonfire aggro tho

[golden loom]

This is the 2nd global

[balmy condor]

Yeah if you crit frostwryms it’s an issue

[golden loom]

Atleast it stuns so you have that duration for the tank to hopefully save you

[worn geyser]

idk i get alot of use out of it cause tanks are not able or just fuck up alot and dont always tag all the mobs on their gather which is skill issue but w/e

[spice surge]

Sub does that too, but perma tricks is comfy

[golden loom]

Ye it can also save pulls (for example if everyone else dies on first pull AA in low keys)

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[worn geyser]

like alg first pull they just taunt the big guy then like 13 small flowers are aggro on me if i start hitting big guy to spread bleeds if u dont tricks

[balmy condor]

Assa just legit doesn’t have a button that would ever cause this problem

[golden loom]

Or perma tricks can also bug out the dungeon ofc but

[spice surge]

The issue assa has is that because it does 100000 damage events per second when adds spawn or get pulled into a pack its very likely you are the first to damage them before the tank has even seen them spawn

Its not very common, but it can happen

[golden loom]

Shoutout perma tricks

[civic trellis]

EVADE

[quiet star]

interesting what I said

[balmy condor]

You said something that’s Regarded as a slur

[subtle tundra]

regarded?

idk what that word means

[tame charm]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

"Regarded" means to be considered, thought of, or evaluated in a specific way

[primal oasis]

Isn't regarded also a slur

[iron vapor]

More like a blur, in that it rhymes with slur.

Also, anyone with tricks on their bars is wasting precious life in their key switches, grow up!

You're getting your fingers 0.00000001% closer to arthritis by bending them an extra time to push that useless button.

[storm forum]

I'm a big fan of tricks

Placebos would probably work really well on me

[jade abyss]

Imagine you play outlaw

[iron vapor]

Why would you make me imagine that? Disgusting.

[hexed frost]

first key of the season as an assa
17 AA
Forget I don't have perm tricks
Get gibbed on the first pull
Haste gear with 800 crit
Play so bad that the entire group mass reported me for griefing

[normal mist]

I don't understand what the stats there have anything to do with the situation

You can remove that line and no one would notice

[true tusk]

ey mates, some alternative build for play without re-stealth on M+? in pug tanks do chain pull many times and I wondered if there was an affordable alternative

[normal mist]

You have that

Since day 1 of the season

[golden loom]

restealth is whatever

[normal mist]

It's called "m+ build"

The few dps gains we had from stealth are basically gone

[true tusk]

But Improved Garrote and Shrouded Garrote need it

[normal mist]

But you don't

We haven't played around restealths since day 1

Stealth was only a "feels good moment" because it allowed you to spread bleeds

[golden loom]

improved garrote is good sure, shrouded only needs stealth for the extra 2 combo points - the 20% damage is always active

[normal mist]

Now you can do that whenever

[true tusk]

Ah, well, I try to do re-stealth whenever I can, thinking that the gain would be enough...

[normal mist]

It isn't anything special, no

[golden loom]

ye but do try to get them of course

but changing how the tank is pulling or complaning about it is useless

[true tusk]

So, is it more essential to use tricks while tanking and start your rotation as soon as possible than to wait for stealth?

[normal mist]

What

[true tusk]

Yeah, i definitely feel the improved garrote when i can use it

[normal mist]

Ah yeah, just pump

Time in combat > time not in combat

Starting a pack earlier > Trying to restealth

[true tusk]

The thing is, yesterday I played in a comp with Fury and Feral, and the pulls in WS aren't particularly huge; they fell very quickly, and I noticed I was falling far behind in damage

[primal oasis]

This is the most assa coded sentence I have ever read in my life

[normal mist]

Key level

[marsh fjord]

The good old days where we scream against a tank to let me stealth

[normal mist]

It's not a question, it's an answer

[true tusk]

And even though I was doing well in the last few runs, it was noticeable that by the time I was going to do damage, the pulls were almost dead

[marsh fjord]

to only be told of by whispyr that it isnt worth it

what a time to be alive

[true tusk]

+20

[normal mist]

Packs being destroyed in 20s?

This is some new shit to me, not that I play at that level

[true tusk]

Yeah totally, i can tell you overall if you want

[normal mist]

That wouldn't tell me much

The amount of variables is so high, that the same key could generate so many different overalls

[true tusk]

Fury 208, Feral 203, Me 189, tank 139 and healer 27

[true tusk]

I felt that because I wasn't on a similar overall level to my other two DPS teammates, I was doing badly

[normal mist]

You could probably run that same key again with the same guys and be the one destroying them

[true tusk]

Probably

Anyway, I think I'm going to prioritize being first in pulls much more than re-stealth

Fuck the improved garrote

[normal mist]

It's good when you can do it, yeah, but dont brute force it every pull

[true tusk]

Sure, I lag behind for a few seconds, waiting for my chance to enter, and then I go for it. Those few seconds, considering we're dealing with damage over time, will surely penalize me much more than trying to take advantage of the improved and shrouded garrote

[normal mist]

I agree

And be honest, how many times did you lag behind to restealth just for you to get in combat midway and be like "fuckkkk"

[marsh fjord]

Improved garrote is such a stupid design in nowadays wow. yeah it was cool back in the day. but its super outdated imo

esp in a m+ environment where you want to go fast

[true tusk]

Throughout most of the run, I felt they wanted to move at a considerable speed, chain pulling, which is clearly the most efficient thing to do... and it went against what I was doing, constantly falling behind and also losing damage along the way

[marsh fjord]

There is a massive debate about it if its worth it or not. through the years

Just the word improved garrote

[spice surge]

Its better for assa to be able to CT your bleeds onto new targets immediately than it is to get the improved garrote

Improved garrote is not a massive deal

[true tusk]

They should redesign it so that it only improves garrote damage sometimes, like the ambush and mutilate talents, without requiring you to enter stealth

[marsh fjord]

Yeah whenever they did the changes and made it that stealth is not really a thing anymore it made me wonder why the hell improved garrote still exist

Slap something else and just give garrote a extra modifier

[spice surge]

Because having some it is fine

[plain thistle]

rookie numbers, look at this

[true tusk]

Yes, totally my fault, it's the first time I've tried to push as high as I can so I'm not used to the playstyle and I also have some bad habits from the old assa design

[spice surge]

Its annoying when the spec feels unplayable like it did before

But now its a very minor damage boost

So it doesnt matter much

[marsh fjord]

It doesnt but when you tell us at the start of a expac and you say, hey stealth is not a big deal anymore and leave a stealth orientated talent in, it feels to me like a oversight. i know its small. but people tend to want to get everything out of there spec. so also trying to aim for a improve garrote. they should just remove the talent and put something else in return

[spice surge]

They wanted to remove the fact that the spec felt like shit if you didnt get restealth

They did that

They didnt want to remove everything from stealth, because thats a thematic rogue thing

I genuinely think they should buff improved garrote and similar stuff for other specs to make stealth a bigger deal, but

[marsh fjord]

You dont have to agree with me Eleem, in my opinion i think the talent sucks, and its boring. and it forces people to still do restealths even if its minimal because of min max shenigans

[spice surge]

Not everything needs to be homogenized into playing exactly the same

[marsh fjord]

i agree

[jade abyss]

Take improved garrote as a nice bonus

When you can apply it its nice when not dont care

Its like first dance its nice to have

[primal oasis]

I disagree. I think mutilate should instantly apply all bleeds + poisons to your main target and up to 8 nearby targets.

It's midnight after all, why press buttons?

[gray raven]

Tbf that’s how unholy works

[primal oasis]

Actually I'm an unholy main so you can understand where the salt comes from

Barely even played it this expansion because it's the most boring, braindead shit ever

[jade abyss]

I want a talent that poisened target explode and make 5% of there max hp as aoe damage when they die

[primal oasis]

That's actually based

[jade abyss]

And it looks like frost from blade when he died

[analog hedge]

ok i need advice

at 19 skyreach, when soaking beam, even with defensive is it normal that we can fully soak it as sin rogue?

*cant

[shy axle]

are you doing the switching between beams?

if your setup allows it

[analog hedge]

not rn, just me soaking alone

but i can tell i will die if i soak it fully, so i moves out and the beams land...

so i need another person to babysit me?

as in swapping soak with me?

[coral ibex]

rogue has basically no good tools to handle rot damage

this has always been the case

[shy axle]

The way we do it is 2 people are taking the 2 beams that are nearest to each other and i stand behind them running into the left, out asap, into the right one, out asap etc to help them with the dmg

if i would have to soak a full beam i would have said feint/evasion with elusiveness but that will run dry in the end

just heal more i guess

[analog hedge]

i crimson vialed and feinted and yeah still get fried

icic

welp gotta remind the group next time ig

dang

[shy axle]

do not forget elusiveness giving 20% less dmg too, not only feint

if talented

but at the end it will be the same problem here

[analog hedge]

yea but its a 2min cd for evasion so yeah lol

[shy axle]

yeah

i am kinda just holding onto "feints gonna do it" most of the time tbh

[static glacier]

Tbf feint really will do it most of the time

Esp with elusiveness

[analog hedge]

huh..

[drifting cloud]

ideally youre the one running but also shouldnt be just killing you on a 19

[analog hedge]

ic..

welp ill just see what happen if i can get into another 19 sky ig

thanks everyone cheerio

[drifting cloud]

yeah 19 is elo hell

alot of bad guardians and healers running around

besides the usual dps

[jolly isle]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/ZvwpaTfnGkrYy14C/1-Mythic++Algeth'ar+Academy+-+Kill+(19:32)/1-Therealgwen/standard
the above is me.

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/rb61mzK34BWcZyjh/1-Mythic++Algeth'ar+Academy+-+Kill+(28:55)/5-Debstép/standard
this one is a top sin rogue

I know i can keep my bleeds up more, but envenom is throwing me for a loop. This person has 76% uptime, but wasted more energy than me. how do i increase envenom uptime? after my opener, my energy levels drop and it takes longer than the 5 second envenom duration to build and spend combo points, and if i need to refresh rupture then for sure im going to miss the refresh window for envenom. Do i need to let envenom drop off more often when it reaches 80 stacks for the energy boost?

i know its a pain to look at logs, but im trying to get better lol

[river vapor]

Are there a certain number of targets to apply bleed to before going into CDs

[rocky holly]

i mean probably 90% of the issue is that you're 230iL and comparing a +2 to a +20

probably 99% of the issue

[jolly isle]

lol so i shouldnt be too hard on myself here? im just worried what my dmg would be, if its good enough to push higher keys

[wary light]

My honda civic is doing 1-60 in 9 seconds and this guy's bugatti does it in 3 seconds, is his accelerator press technique the diff?

[rocky holly]

yeah you cant possibly make a comparison here

[wary light]

Brother big tip stop sitting on wow analyzer logs and go get into keys and get to 285+

[jaunty sky]

Like if you had a log from ~+15

Ppl could give you some tips

[rocky holly]

assassination dmg is good enough to push high keys - YOUR dmg specifically no clue

have to try it out

if you play the spec right then you're good

[jolly isle]

okay, i'll run keys all day then lol

[rocky holly]

also, don't use wow analyzer

[jolly isle]

fair. thanks for all the feedback. I'm hoping to push high keys as a rogue like iw as as a healer

eh? what should i use then

[rocky holly]

just look at the log

all the information in wowanalyzer is in wcl

and you should know pretty quickly in real time during the dungeon "damn i just pressed mutilate at 6 combo points instead of spending"

or "oh shit im 2 target and i pressed mutilate instead of fok"

or "oh shit my CDs have been up for the last 3 pulls and i havent pressed them"

[deep latch]

What buff do we take in AA?

[jolly isle]

I do notice those things. hard to know how well im doing though bc the dmg meters are so variable.

but im pretty close to the dmg amount raidbot gave me

[rocky holly]

whispyr told me to take vers if my crit was close to the soft cap

[rocky holly]

its something you get a feel for once you do more keys

[deep latch]

Whats the soft cap?

[rocky holly]

its like 1300 something?

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[rocky holly]

im at like 1250, so getting 3% crit would give me some diminishing returns

[deep latch]

I saw casual taking mastery

[rocky holly]

i saw this too

in that +20 video

i think 3% overall dmg + 3% DR from vers is better than 3% bleed and poison dmg

idk

[deep latch]

Yeah I was wondering that too

I think survivability has more value but idk

[weary stump]

For that reaction I give you the follow up:

[quaint dragon]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worthy bloom]

What spec majority uses in mythic raids and especially in dreamsrift? Have been using ST but wondering if Aoe or "hybrid" might be better for parses maybe 🤔

[night delta]

Since I've started pugging Chimaerus I've been running the ST build just swapping 1 talent for CT

so i don't look like I'm completely jobbing to the RL

[analog field]

In chim you surely need a more ''aoe build''

[night delta]

if the group has sufficient AoE this is wholly irrelevant tbh

downstairs things melt either way

and upstairs things die before you even get to go dps it

[analog field]

in a pug environment

I would never not take CT and caustic etc

[worthy bloom]

I see. Was thinking about swapping something for CT. What do you think about adding Caustic Spatter? Some assassination rogues in top 10 seems to use it also 🤔

[analog field]

Caustic and CT is 100% needed

For parses and for gameplay reasons

[worthy bloom]

Got ya! Thanks 😊

[night delta]

yeah if you're looking forward to parsing absolutely get caustic

[worthy bloom]

I'm not really that interested in parses in general but need to get them to decent level at least 😂

[night delta]

also I try to argue for getting in 2nd soak group

the flow seemed better to me

[golden loom]

Just go in both

[worthy bloom]

Colossal Horrors hates you

[golden loom]

Cloak 2nd down, cheat death on intermission soak if ur in group 1

[night delta]

Nah, I hate swapping to colossal horror when my Deathmark is coming back on

Some clueless pug RL called this "scummy egoist behaviour" when they saw that I wasn't pointlessly swapping to the mob that dies in 10 seconds regardless just as my burst is available to push on the boss

as we were struggling to make 49% to interphase

like dude, If you don't want the boss to die before enrage be my guest

[worthy bloom]

😂

[night delta]

A great RL once told me : the more people parse well, the less important it is to parse well

Raids are a group effort, not the olympics

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-16452356357908045529

Gamers in aoe at what point is it better to fok spam over ct spam? After all bleeds are applied? After refreshing internal bleeding?

[analog field]

It was never a hard dps check

just normal play would suffice

I would argue even that in prog this boss needed more add damage than boss dmg

[night delta]

I mean every boss is kinda a dps check, just not necessarily a hard one

[analog field]

no boss is a dps check in general

[night delta]

If dps struggles, then it struggles

[analog field]

Only if you are in the top 50 guilds (and maybe not even then)

in the whole voidspire only vora was a bit of it

[night delta]

Conceptually, to a group that meets the expectations of course

But, like, sometimes dps is below par

[analog field]

still that doesn;'t make the boss a dps check

it makes the dps bad

[night delta]

You started this by saying "the boss isn't a dps check" when I explained that group struggled to make 49%

[analog field]

it is not a dps check

if the add dies fast

[night delta]

the add was absolutely dying in time

[analog field]

in time does not mean fast

[night delta]

well gee, i wonder what were the design goals of giving the add x seconds to die

if it dies on time then the mechanic is dealt with

if the boss subsequently doesn't die fast enough, it's that we're lacking boss dmg

we were lacking boss dmg and the add was dying even if i didn't switch on it

[severe meadow]

Sounds like your group was just kinda buns

[analog field]

What you don't understand is that many ppl have cd's at 2 min

So if you don't switch

the add will die 5 seconds later and then some dps will not use cd's on boss

the add needs X amounts of time to die but it is not necessarily the ideal time to kill it

[night delta]

many DPS CDs don't function over a whole 16s period

[analog field]

Most do

[night delta]

most of those were happy to switch add and then burst boss

because they could cram it in there

[night delta]

it was tbh

[analog field]

In prog I would send Dm on big add

[night delta]

it ended with a disband then rebuild with better selectiveness

got it that night in the end

[night delta]

wouldn't most of the duration end up cut ?

[analog field]

No because we were 20 ilvl lower

I would lose maybe 2 sec but we needed that dmg

Ofc as time passed I stopped using it

But if it was needed I used it

[night delta]

Huh, felt like DM was coming back only like 2s before the boss started casting his munchies though ?

[analog field]

no, it gets back as you send the big guy on the surface now

But you can go dm kb without envenom and have it for close to the whole duration

at least back then

[night delta]

I ran with a godlike pug this last week and big guy was coming up a lot quicker than that tbh

we were kinda soaring over all dps requirements, boss on transition was at like 39%

[analog field]

you are 20 ilvl higher

20 ppl are 20 ilvl higher

[night delta]

yeah makes a big diff

[stuck lodge]

Plus 6% flat

[analog field]

isn't it like 1ilvl 1% or something ?

[royal lantern]

jokes on you

we did like 80% of beloren prog before we realised that some people didnt had the raid dmg buff

[worn geyser]

our evoker didnt have the buff till pull 350 on lura

[night delta]

chad behaviour

"I don't need no crutch"

[royal lantern]

nah more like

the buff just "reset" for some people

for no reason at all

[night delta]

oh lol

[royal lantern]

they had to talk with the NPC again to get the buff

[night delta]

even more chad behaviour, from the game itself

"nah fam, you don't need no help, here you go"

[deep panther]

Did anyone encounter an issue with simming to compare rings? My sims tell me that a 6/6 hero occlusion of light beats a 6/6 myth occlusion of light. same enchants, same gems. I even added the BiS raid rings from the WoWhead guide, and it still says that my 2 nexus point rings, one on hero one on my track beats it all. Im just so confused

[untold flume]

Honestly, I’ve taken fan off my active bar entirely. I’ve ran raids trying to intuit when to use it. And ran just using CT. I’ve done better just using CT. May be anecdotal. Maybe in higher mythic keys when those huge pulls last longer? But I’m usually just funneling cleave onto my main target whether it’s boss or a cc/kick target. I under stand that for energy efficiency this is bad advice. But the ease of just forgetting FoK exists does correlate with better numbers and faster kills.

[coral ibex]

are you adding the ring via top gear

i had no issue

i just added the ring and simmed it

[deep panther]

yeah. its really strange, can you try adding 1 hero occlusion one myth occlusion ring and sim on your rogue? every time i try to sim and see if my new ring is better the hero occlusion beats everything for some mystical reason

[analog field]

give us the link

url of the sim

[deep panther]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ujdcZSQuU5JVyWGdDoVHpF

the 4th row is both rings on myth

[runic hinge]

different enchant