assassination

[iron thorn]

of sheer fun

[thorn thorn]

8.2%

[dusky wing]

@balmy condor what build do you run on Chim?

[thorn thorn]

Shoulda just killed it

[humble verge]

so

both of the seeds

[real pike]

It was mind blowingly exhilerating

[humble verge]

just didnt wanna move to the soak

so we just died

[thorn thorn]

gkick on the spot

[balmy condor]

@nimble tartan check this shit, with full crucible end of legion

15.7% dps range

this is midnight season 1, 14.9%

[real pike]

This was last Weds

[drifting cloud]

how did you find this

[real pike]

And this was tonight

[balmy condor]

standard shit caustic/ct

[iron thorn]

he probs made it

[balmy condor]

went into my archives

[iron thorn]

see

told you

[drifting cloud]

those are some crazy archives

[celest ruin]

does that include the +-5% rng swing

[iron thorn]

i didnt play actively in legion yet

(well i did join my dad's guild on a social heroic run once but thats it)

[balmy condor]

the midnight one does because that's part of the game, yes

the legion one obviously wouldn't

because it wasn't part of the game

[iron thorn]

look at these gigachad parses of 15 year old me

good times

[stuck lodge]

Damn I'm out here barely going over 100k

[iron thorn]

when i still had no clue about the game

[stuck lodge]

and you were crushing it

[balmy condor]

the only difference in rng from legion to now is that blizzard got better at hiding it

[worn geyser]

does every spec vary as widely as that in modern wow or is it a sin specific thing

[iron thorn]

now i just sit here and complain about my spec all day

[balmy condor]

every spec is between 10% and 20% yes

[thorn thorn]

Which one has the most

[balmy condor]

the was bm hunter with black arrow last season

I haven't checked this season

[stuck lodge]

gotta be something that is super proc based

[dusky wing]

Legion is the expansion that made me quit top 100 raiding lmao

[balmy condor]

bm hunter was nearly 40%

[drifting cloud]

black arrow

[iron thorn]

i stg aug with ebon might crits

[stuck lodge]

slayer warrior maybe?

[worn geyser]

interesting, ig the specs would be kinda boring if there was no variance though but i didnt know it was that much edit: although id prefer random procs that id have to do something with over like just +/- 15% with exact same rotation

[drifting cloud]

where it was optimal to not press anything incase your arrow reset

so you could send it insta

[thorn thorn]

@jaunty stone Do you have any clue what the variance is for crits

[iron thorn]

dont make them tell me i am coping

please i got roasted enough by naji when i started to play that spec

[thorn thorn]

Im going to make them tell you that you are coping

[balmy condor]

but like subtlety is 12%

[thorn thorn]

But just to make sure

[balmy condor]

ele is just over 20

[drifting cloud]

yeah that one is bad and just overall terrible design

[iron thorn]

i do play my aug incredibly little now that i got the next fun toy i can be shit on

[thorn thorn]

What about enhance

[iron thorn]

DDH

[thorn thorn]

Can I cope that my opener is rng and that im not just bad

[balmy condor]

11% on totemic

[thorn thorn]

Ok so im just shit

[balmy condor]

15% on stormbringer

[thorn thorn]

Most excellent

[iron thorn]

for me every caster is inherently more difficult than a melee

idk how that is

[thorn thorn]

Trying to learn enhance on lura is awful cuz only 5 people have done it as enh on mythic so far and all of them are doing different openers

[iron thorn]

especially on casters like aug/ddh that can literally move while casting

[thorn thorn]

Aug difficulty is dont be afk

[iron thorn]

same for ddh

[jaunty stone]

no idea

[thorn thorn]

Fak

Maybe I should bother baum about it

[jaunty stone]

aug sims are already huge in variance due to the amount of actors

[thorn thorn]

makes sense

[iron thorn]

dodge

[thorn thorn]

for now

[iron thorn]

i SO hope we're going to 6 heal paladins on monday

and i can sit that boss out

i really just cba

[balmy condor]

so true oomfie

[iron thorn]

thd calling me bro today and now whispyr calling me oomfie

day cannot get better

[thorn thorn]

dafuq is oomfie

[iron thorn]

oomf is one of my followers

iirc

but oomfie just cuter

[thorn thorn]

Who makes these words

[iron thorn]

twitter

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr doesnt call me oomfie

[balmy condor]

twitter mostly

[thorn thorn]

He just calls me dumbass

[iron thorn]

thats ur pronouns arent they

[thorn thorn]

so true

Shoulda see the discussion we had about melting chocolate

And gelato

[little cedar]

whispyr im sorry If i sounded insane before, i just realised my discord was literally cutting 80% of everything everyone said due to lag

[balmy condor]

choomsieboo out here mad I'm calling scrungly by their pronouns

[balmy condor]

that's okay, I always sound insane

[thorn thorn]

what are these words

[iron thorn]

okay now thats something even I don't understand

[thorn thorn]

I can only look up so many things in urban dictionary

[iron thorn]

not chronically online enough

[thorn thorn]

Is this what the autistic youth are calling rizz

[balmy condor]

so like

choom is a term that exists for the homies

and then I just tossed in boo

sie is a conjugate

which is to make things cute

scrungly is a word used to describe a messy or chaotic friend

please lobotomize me

[iron thorn]

who'd write assa sims then

[haughty flicker]

i would like this to stop

[iron thorn]

mate you gotta think about the uneducated masses

[balmy condor]

boom bap press bleed press envenom

who tf needs sims for this shit

I haven't simmed my shit in like a month

[iron thorn]

my RL doesn't give me loot otherwise

if theres no number in audit

[balmy condor]

just make some shit up

[iron thorn]

just press BiS on every upgrade

because BiS doesnt exist

and every upgrade is best in slot (at least for now)

[balmy condor]

actually though

who is gonna fucking check

you say something is 800 dps

you think they're gonna sit there and go

hmmmm

I wonder

ah

lets check

no fucking shot

[worn geyser]

we really gotta get sin to oversim for RL's that distribute loot off of the dmg number instead of % increase, cook up some crazy shit

[iron thorn]

theres this plugin for audit numbers in rc lootcouncil

soooo

[balmy condor]

you just fucking say it's 800 dps, say its bis, and they're fucking stupid enough to just bang it in and gg

[iron thorn]

they dont even have to have a browser tab open

in the end i don't raid for loot

but to kill fun bosses

which i often don't reach while they're stil fun

because i never raid in CE guilds

[balmy condor]

and also because a lot of these bosses aren't that fun

but yeah also that

[iron thorn]

i didnt want to say that

but yes

this tier kinda sucks

i think only boss i had fun on so far was chim

[balmy condor]

chim was neat yeah

I like alleria too except for the part where it's literally vietnam in melee for 8 minutes straight

[iron thorn]

i do think i'd like current lura

[fallow canopy]

small pp

[balmy condor]

all this gear and still no e-girl pocket aug is insane

[fallow canopy]

more damage than spamming t1 rituals yesterday

Mental = cooked

[iron thorn]

wait you're telling me i could start e-dating with my aug

[balmy condor]

yes

[iron thorn]

[balmy condor]

that's literally what they're made for

[iron thorn]

any chud assa players on EU?

[balmy condor]

you think aug players are looking to play world of warcraft?

no

they're all e-daters

[fallow canopy]

@thorn thorn mentioned

[balmy condor]

loner horny lizards in my area

[iron thorn]

i do think healers do that too, to some extent

when i played disc i really would have liked some pumper i could perma pi

but no, i was forced to pug

[thorn thorn]

:3

[humble verge]

ive yet to send my crests this week

[thorn thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1159545771998331022/1182291627151200296/attachment-3.gif

[humble verge]

[humble verge]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDuYGGwXUAEvDLe.gif

[iron thorn]

i did just send crests

and ended at 285. something

got the achievement at least ig

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-is-finished-cooked-finished-dog-closing-eyes-dog-with-eyes-closed-gif-8933440936102921947

[thorn thorn]

Jarvis show me the lura r34

[humble verge]

also why arent you running the pvp neck

[fallow canopy]

Cause that means i have to play pvp

I'll just send coins on lura when we kill it

[thorn thorn]

When

[nimble tartan]

what the heck

[iron thorn]

i sent on averzian today

instant regret

[humble verge]

you mean alleria reclear

[nimble tartan]

whats the rng comin from

[iron thorn]

crits

[fallow canopy]

So far I haven't been on the reclears for that boss so I'm cooked either way

[humble verge]

you guys reclear alleria?

[fallow canopy]

Last 2 weeks we have

We only reclear on tuesday tho

If it doesn't die tuesday then it doesnt die, but so far it has died easily after the nerfs

[humble verge]

we just do like

1,5h reclear upto paladins

then go straight lura

[nimble tartan]

oh outlaw is 20% jeez

[fallow canopy]

People need stuff from there so I assume thats why but idk that sort of thing is above my paygrade

I just point daggers at enemies and stab

[balmy condor]

Well in I think shadowlands, they added 5% baseline variance to all damage dealt just as a game mechanic

So your 100 damage envenom is actually 95-105

Which means your crit envenom isn’t 200 damage, it’s 190-210

That’s kinda the main thing

You can’t find a spec that goes lower than like 10% anymore

[nimble tartan]

ohh wow i never knew that lol

[balmy condor]

Just the baseline damage swing and like regular proc/crit rng

[thorn thorn]

wait dafuq

i never knew this

[balmy condor]

Is enough to basically raise everything to 10%

[iron thorn]

well at least its not classic right?

fireball hitting between 12-17 on lvl 1

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/spell-variance-being-added-into-shadowlands-currently-5-variance-317022

Yeah it was shadowlands

It existed in classic, was clown shit

They changed all the formulas in legion, which broke it

And then they added it back in shadowlands

[balmy condor]

So yeah kinda is

[iron thorn]

i meant the variance was much higher back then

thats max lvl fireball

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It was much worse

But it’s the same thing

[iron thorn]

just neatly packed

[balmy condor]

And not explained anywhere

[iron thorn]

aka them simply not telling you in tooltip

[balmy condor]

Like I said, they hide it really well

I had to dig up a blue post from 6 years ago to prove it’s real

[cunning needle]

crit ebon might

did you kill it btw?

also fuck damage variances

[balmy condor]

Yes we killed

[cunning needle]

gz king

welcome to the p1 wipe factory

[balmy condor]

Also don’t post my guilds wipe screenshots to me im traumatized

[cunning needle]

please make sure you check in and out

just checked the pins. ain't no way you had to say "mainhand is the left dagger"

please tell me that question hasnt come up before

i refuse to believe it

[balmy condor]

Well if people keep asking which hand is mainhand

Then I gotta say which hand is mainhand

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

They don’t call me WhispGPT for nothing

(They don’t call me that)

[cunning needle]

okay WhispGPT

[fallow canopy]

I'm right handed so the weapon in the right is the mh

[iron thorn]

its is

but the character is mirrored

so its the left slot

or not mirrored

but facing you

[fallow canopy]

what if I turn it around

[latent kernel]

It should lowkey just pick a random slot to be your main hand when you make your character but not give any indication of which it is

[stuck lodge]

I just tried going down and cloaking and I died on mythic

what did I fuck up

went down first, cloaked second

died when we go under for intermission

[little cedar]

prob cloak too soon, imunity is only 1s afaik

[stuck lodge]

yep think that was it

[little cedar]

oh nvm, you can't go with your group during i1

[stuck lodge]

gotta hold it for the last second of the jump

wait really?

[little cedar]

that's what i got from the convo up there

[digital raft]

Anyone else doing like 10k dps less ST this week? I can't figure out why for the life of me

[stuck lodge]

well shit

guess I cant do that if I am in group 1 then

[little cedar]

can always bargain with raid lead

[stuck lodge]

eh, don't care that much

[balmy condor]

Well yeh

You can’t go 3x

[stuck lodge]

got it

so can't do strat if you are group 1

[celest ruin]

gonna gaslight our other rogue it's his turn to pad so we swap groups

[coral ibex]

so strat is be group 2

go down with group 1

and then cloak with group 2?

[stuck lodge]

I believe so yeah

because 1>2>1 kills you

[severe meadow]

Funky question

Is this considered in execute

[rocky holly]

I feel like I’m missing something with m+ overall.. I’m hovering anywhere between 150-170k depending on the key (16s and 17s right now) and maybe I get some really good CD line ups. But watching some of the higher IO rogues they’re getting up close to 200k and over

[stuck lodge]

do they have warriors and shamans?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hazy sundial]

Bought a PoS ring for my gf, upgrading her to fiancé

[buoyant herald]

thats not a piece of shit ring man thats beautiful ❤️

[stuck lodge]

Do you have the crests to upgrade that?

Congratz

[hazy sundial]

6/6 myth instantly

Thank you

[little cedar]

gratz! thats gotta be BIS

[coral ibex]

pit of saron ring bro

[coral ibex]

gz

[hazy sundial]

Thank you

[buoyant herald]

it was a joke 🙁 usually POS is short for something else...

i knew what he meant

[severe meadow]

How grief would it be to have me on it

[coral ibex]

mb boss

[severe meadow]

Tested it with no healer and kept myself up fine no problem

[polar sail]

Can i upgrade my 2 daggers and 2 trinkets 298?

[severe meadow]

crafted one would be 295

it's actually in the pins

[polar sail]

I have both 298

289^

[severe meadow]

are you not using a crafted dagger

[polar sail]

I use but drop 289 in dungeons

I use it

[severe meadow]

The crafted one is better

[polar sail]

Crafted is better or what

[polar sail]

Really?

[severe meadow]

off hand is our least important slot

and the embelish is good

[polar sail]

Alr then i will spend 5 shard in crafted one not 289 because i have both 289

[digital raft]

Could someone help me figure out why I'm down damage despite being 5 ilvl higher?
Today: 284 ilvl
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wbV6mvxDyaCtPcd9?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=205

Two weeks ago: 279 ilvl
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gptJLBzMcd8FX3q2?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=17&comparesearchplayer=17&comparesearch=2.10.2.28

The major differences I'm seeing are poison and bleed damage and hand of fate. Stat-wise I don't think there is much of a difference. I tried simming a mastery flask over the crit flask to see if maybe mastery is a bit lower but mastery flask was a dps loss. I'm just confused because I was expecting a notable increase after upgrading my mainhand dagger and instead it was a 3k dps loss. I don't think I made notable mistakes rotationally. I noticed this last night as well on other fights that I just did less damage than I was previously despite being higher ilvl.

[balmy condor]

Not that bad

[severe meadow]

We had our kill squad die, and I got it to half hp by myself so we said fuck it and kept me on it

glad it's not grief

[balmy condor]

Rng gonna rng

[digital raft]

I guess so lol. Its just felt like every fight I was doing less dps yesterday and today compared to a week or two ago.

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean you can swing 15-20k dps pull to pull doing literally an identical rotation

3k difference is well in the range of “it just be like that”

[digital raft]

I didn't realize it was that much variance

[balmy condor]

Yeah we had a chat about this earlier if you’re interested

But basically every spec in the game is around 15% variance

[digital raft]

Oh nice I'll look for it

[balmy condor]

If you look up from whispyr mentions omr

Or from whispyr has image

Should pull you up

[fallow canopy]

or you get the frogspyr

[thorn thorn]

What if instead of whispyr he was named freakspyr

[lusty nacelle]

just getting back into rogue, is there a preferred spec for raid/M+ or are all the specs close enough that its preference?

[severe meadow]

Whimpyr

lock in here

[buoyant herald]

i think at this stage is preference, it's at the point where the answer is probably different depending on encounter. nothing is far and away better or worse than anything esle

if i picked one i'd probably say sub

[balmy condor]

I literally am

My pronouns are freaking/it

[thorn thorn]

Might need to be updated

[balmy condor]

Yours doesn’t say “whispyrs/bitch”

throwing stones from glass houses

[thorn thorn]

:3

[drifting cloud]

[sinful imp]

what AA buff should we take?

[balmy condor]

Vers

[little cedar]

Whisp for how long have you been writing guides for rogue

[balmy condor]

I’ve been doing the discord stuff since s3 bfa, the wowhead guide since s2 shadowlands, method guide since s1 Dragonflight, and I’ve been wowheads class guide manager starting this expac

[stuck lodge]

squint

[balmy condor]

Yes my son?

[stuck lodge]

surely its crit right?

[little cedar]

Compared to other season is this version of sin rogue to your liking?

[balmy condor]

I mean, you can

It’s not really any difference

3% Vers is more stat than 3% crit

And you get dr

[thorn thorn]

Just dont pick the green one

[balmy condor]

Yes

I think midnight for all 3 specs is much improved

[little cedar]

I also think so, I remember in dragonfliight having to use indiscriminate carnage to spread garrotes on stuff and not having combat reset was a pain

[stuck lodge]

okay but which one is the vers one

because ive only gone to the crit one

[severe meadow]

I kinda miss bleed build but this is a better version for rogue for sure

[thorn thorn]

Hot take but personally I think class design this xpac is much better and more intuitive across the board than previously

Excluding a few serious and painful outliers

[little cedar]

Who do you think?

[thorn thorn]

Immediately I think of windwalker as a big and major loser

Their apex is actually hilariously bad

And they have one of if not the least passive survivability of any dps

They get a whooping zero (0) stamina nodes in their class tree

[little cedar]

I'm not familiar with it, but I did main it last season, was fun

[thorn thorn]

So they just have zero health to live anything

Arcane is another major miss

hehe haha point and laugh at the mages

yada yada

They genuinely

Have zero clue what they wanna do with arcane

[little cedar]

All because they refused to give the double dip sunfury

[drifting cloud]

dont you worry they will get 20 lines of patch notes when 12.1 ptr goes up

[thorn thorn]

Idk if thats the real reason why

[drifting cloud]

per spec ofc

[thorn thorn]

But they need to figure out what they want for arcane

And stick with it

And not change it every season

[little cedar]

It's funny because they are basically throwing shit at a wall and see if it sticks

[thorn thorn]

Enhance is also kinda 50/50

Depends who you ask

I think its great except for stormbringer

A lot of enhance players would heavily disagree

[keen raven]

Definitely a hot take

[balmy condor]

Red next to the stairs

[thorn thorn]

I cant speak for any more classes cuz I dont play any others but a couple didnt get any notable changes

Evoker dps was mostly unchanged

[little cedar]

I actually don't like tempest for enhance, think is a boring spell, I miss casting wolves and I think they lost most of their funnel because of stormbringer

[keen raven]

I think a lot of classes lost their flare

And a lot of classes lost a lot of buttons

[thorn thorn]

I wouldnt describe as loss of buttons as exclusively a bad thing

I think it just depends on what it was that was pruned

The one major thing I dislike on all fronts of midnight class design

Is ability replacement

A proc or empowered ability just completely hijacks the original spell

I fucking hate that shit

So much

[little cedar]

The new arcane spell for aoe spending for ex

Or building idk the name, I played it and hated it so much I didn't wanna touch kt

[clear knoll]

Do people use the raid dagger for the little vers it gives?

[keen raven]

Mostly because I cba wasting rerolls on other things

[coral ibex]

no its bc its easy to get

and dagger stats dont matter

[thorn thorn]

Pulse

[clear knoll]

Ah

[thorn thorn]

The arcane apex is a massive design

[keen raven]

Stats on dagger def still matter but if you can use rerolls to get gear you don't have it's better

[gaunt herald]

can you pop potion while solving puzzle box

[keen raven]

Eventually I'll roll for pit dagger

[keen raven]

Why would you want to do that

And no

[little cedar]

Can do after kingsbane while points are going up, I find easier then because it's gcd

[keen raven]

It's not a gcd

Another button press isn't a gcd kekw

[clear knoll]

I bonus roll the pit dagger on first attempt so I guess I’m good

[keen raven]

Ur himothy

But yea pit dagger is bis for like every spec, maybe beloren for sub but pit dagger more flexible for every other spec

[little cedar]

If you press kingsbane you enter gcd do you not?

[keen raven]

You said it as if using a pot is gcd

You also lose damage if you pot while you kings bane

If you don't Wana pot before death mark just do it during death mark

[clear knoll]

I usually puzzle > pot + death mark same time > kingsbane. I see numbers go brrr so I guess it’s correct

[balmy condor]

Yep

[worn geyser]

got to play sin all night, the phase changes kinda feel pretty good as sin since theres alot of times you get alot of free extra damage cause dot class, its actually not miserable once u get past p1

[buoyant herald]

i have every single item from pit on bonus rolls except dagger 😢

[muted oracle]

i just now rolled the dagger, i am free

your time will come too, it was my last item

[buoyant herald]

assuming i take bonus roll in vault next week it means i can get it and a shot at gaze so its not too bad but i want my toys NOW

[signal ridge]

@balmy condor now that I have 298 daggers when do i get access to your order hall

[balmy condor]

you always have access to my "order hall"

I didn't realize we were calling it that

[signal ridge]

given present company and the class...i didnt know if discretion was encouraged..

[balmy condor]

I had 5 kamikazes, a midori sour, a tokyo tea

and we lost all 3 games by a mile

idc anymore

I will not remember this conversation

[signal ridge]

computer get whispyr a bloody mary

[cunning needle]

can you try pronounce my name again?

[balmy condor]

`no

[cunning needle]

i'll try pronounce yours in return

nvm i cant find the record button

[signal ridge]

fimbulvtr

[cunning needle]

doollb

[rugged basalt]

Do you pronounce it as fimbulvtr or fimbulvtr

[signal ridge]

i do fimbulvtr

[cunning needle]

nah i do fimbulvtr

the e is invisible

but not silent

[main bobcat]

E-fimbulvtr

Got it

Nice to meet you e-fumble

[cunning needle]

👍

[cunning needle]

the f in fimbulvtr stands for frontal

or also at times feetal

[balmy condor]

frontal as in the way he's taking my nuts to his face

[main bobcat]

Ah ok ok nice to meet e-foot

[cunning needle]

🥜

[main bobcat]

My rogue went from lvl 80 to 272 in like 3 days gearing is kinda fast

[balmy condor]

yeh

especially if you have the achievse

[main bobcat]

But it's only a matter of TIME before I bonus roll a dagger

The clock is ticking

[balmy condor]

mmmmm

cock

[cunning needle]

🐓

wth voice messages disabled on this server?

what tyranny is this

[balmy condor]

yeah but not for me

[cunning needle]

prove it

[main bobcat]

So you don他't hear my voice...

[balmy condor]

I get to call you a daft cunt

if you do it you get slapped

[cunning needle]

i love drunk whispyr

[cunning needle]

❤️

i had my name before the league item

so really, they named it after me

[balmy condor]

that's so based actually

[main bobcat]

log in league whispyr

[balmy condor]

no ty

[main bobcat]

wait you're NA

[balmy condor]

the last time I played league while drunk

I ended up passed out on my bathroom floor

and my friends had to break in through a window

[main bobcat]

tf man riot games entertainment LLC could not have possibly caused this

I've been on a good streak

we cannot lose TRUST ME

[balmy condor]

my goat

[main bobcat]

actually quite happy they made mayhem a permanent game mode

could never play normal aram if they remove it

[balmy condor]

most accurate akshan cosplayer EUW

[main bobcat]

yeah it fits cause I'm arab too

[balmy condor]

holy hell

fate hath brought us together

I bet you also have his diamond cutting jawline and insane eyebrows

[main bobcat]

it did not because you're in NORTH AMERICA !!!!!

I don't man

I'm super big tho but been getting fat lately

curly dark hair weird beard

I look like a suspect...

brb I need a haircut

[balmy condor]

GULP

[main bobcat]

it's ok I have a hilarious baby face

you would never think I'm up to no good

😌

because I am not

😌

[balmy condor]

marking down "one of the good ones" in my report

[main bobcat]

thank you this means a lot to me

[balmy condor]

mr trump, do not bomb this guy

he's good

[main bobcat]

I am currently in france so maybe just do it

[balmy condor]

jesus

nvm put him down like malnourished dog

[main bobcat]

taking one for my species

I am in brittany tho this region is cool

coolio

I go to paris and speak more arabic than french it's like I'm back home

[rugged basalt]

Inshallah they don’t cuff you for being too adorable

[balmy condor]

feels like that in germany sometimes too

but my god if the schwarma in stuttgart doesn't go insanely hard

[main bobcat]

[rugged basalt]

I take it back nvm

[main bobcat]

WHAT

come on man aram mayhem is ok

[balmy condor]

mayram goated

[rugged basalt]

You’re doing okay in euw mayhem you don’t need a pick me up

[main bobcat]

john aram was taken

😠

[balmy condor]

690 nvm euthanize this man

[rugged basalt]

690…

[main bobcat]

tbf I played for a while

[rugged basalt]

My na and euw accounts combined don’t hit that

[main bobcat]

since I was in uni so like 12 years or some ish

[balmy condor]

I remember when you had to level to unlock all the rune slots so I could slot my armor runes to jungle

[main bobcat]

log euw one game

[rugged basalt]

I’m employed

[main bobcat]

there are whispers that they're planning to bring back a similar system at some point in the future

not sure how real any of that is tho

[rugged basalt]

Doubt it

[main bobcat]

I think in 2026 most people recoil when they see a talent tree or a rune page

[rugged basalt]

They’re pushing for mechs to be more inviting to new players

[main bobcat]

yeee

[rugged basalt]

My champ pool is worse than ever

[bronze fox]

I remember back in Liberation of Undermine they made a change to Caustic Spatter on how boss and player position affected the area it could damage. There was a pin with the change but it's probably lost to the nether by now, just wondering the best way to position myself for best cleave potential

[balmy condor]

not relevant on any bosses

the change affecting player positioning is only a secondary check if the first check fails

which is to say, gallywix, dimensius, bloodbound horror, rashanan, and that's basically it for bosses that have existed in the last 3 years

it's never been relevant in m+, and it's not relevant now

if in season 2 or something there is a fat ass boss with a hitbox bigger than your mom

you would want to stand on top of the things you're aoe'ing

[bronze fox]

Nice, glad I wasnt missing anything then lol thanks for the answer

[balmy condor]

np

[random fossil]

Damn it must be immense then

[rugged basalt]

We love a big fat fucking chud boss in the center of the room

[jolly stirrup]

Drunk Whispyr voice message was certainly not on my bingo card

[cunning needle]

drunk whispyr voice messages are the best voice messages

[normal mist]

I'm free from raiding until the next patch, amen lord Jesus

[muted oracle]

[jolly stirrup]

Good shit

[normal mist]

The void shards fix happened during raid so I couldn't show up with 4 extra upgrades

[rugged basalt]

I need 9 more

[lapis lantern]

Mornin. Wich raid buff does scale the best with sin rogue? Asking for m+ comp

[normal mist]

Warrior, monk, druid and probably shaman

[balmy condor]

shaman first, warrior second

and then kinda whatever

they're all fine after that

[lapis lantern]

Thanks 🙏🏻

✨

[cinder mountain]

there was sim pinned at some point for buffs, does that still exist

[balmy condor]

I've never pinned something like that

well, I haven't pinned raid buffs

I've pinned regular buffs obviously

assa hasn't had one of those in a while

[cinder mountain]

yy, I remember seeing that on the discord but a year ago or so, maybe its outlaw guys 😂

[balmy condor]

yeah they're kinda whatever

shaman is like 7%, warrior is 5%, everything else is like 3%

who gives a fk

if it's 2.5% or 2.9% or 2.1%

shits all basically the same

[rugged basalt]

It’s present in

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

yeh sure

6%, 5%, 2-3%

I was basically right

close enough'

[rugged basalt]

Don’t kiss the messenger

[obtuse ruin]

weird question but is there an internal cool down on poison bomb? I never proc back to back anymore (used to back in bfa)

or just unluck

[balmy condor]

they changed it at some point to where you can't have two bombs active at once

so technically a cooldown yes

think it was dragonflight or something

but it's not really that important or impactful, because in bfa you couldn't have multiple poison bombs either, they just overwrote each other constantly

[spare kayak]

Is this for rogue only

[analog field]

it's for rogue specifically

other classes have different interactions with buffs

[wispy iris]

so why’s war buff and mark not flat 5 and 3% respectively?

[balmy condor]

war buff is not flat 5% because the sim has an error margin

but it is exactly 5%

mark is technically not a full 3% because you already have vers

the extreme example is if you for example had 100% vers

if you deal 100 damage, and you go from 0% vers to 3% vers

you deal 103 damage, wahoo

if you deal 100 damage pre-vers, and you go from 100% vers to 103% vers

then you're going from 200 to 203

which is in fact not a 3% gain

[wispy iris]

okay yeah makes sense

[worn geyser]

If i wanted to force 'the hunt' to sim as vers in top gear, this would work right? giant is one of the types of guys that makes it proc vers, never had to use a custom apl b4 but this is what the expansion options from simc github seems to say

[wispy iris]

i was trying to argue that vers point with my guildmates and they used the fact that war buff isn’t exactly 5% to disproof the whole thing

[balmy condor]

yes, without the spaces though

[balmy condor]

yeah so the warrior buff is exactly 5% because the math there works entirely differently

all damage you deal is a direct product of your attack power

multiplying your attack power by 5% is just a 5% multiplier to your damage

because it's ya know, just multiplying your damage

vers itself as a stat does the same thing

but mark adds 3% vers

it does not multiply your vers, it's a flat buff like the algethar things are

so if the argument is "5% attack power is 5% damage and 3% vers is 3% damage", that is technically a correct statement

only in the situation where you have exactly zero vers to start with

[buoyant herald]

its 3% damage if you started with 0 vers, check mate

[balmy condor]

which is pretty much impossible

cause things like tier have vers

[buoyant herald]

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean

you could be this dipshit as well

and then it would be true again

[buoyant herald]

i avoid vers to maximise my motw buff value

[balmy condor]

those stats are insane btw what the fuck is that

[buoyant herald]

ele shaman

[balmy condor]

yeah that checks out

[buoyant herald]

feather trinket

sims hate haste what can i do

[wispy iris]

you would need to have so much vers for mark to lose a lot of value

20% vers you lose 0.5% mark value

[balmy condor]

Well yes, but that paired with sim error is enough to give 2.8 instead of 3

[sharp viper]

outlaw gear for sure

[wispy sparrow]

Trying to learn assa - If you force envenom buff to fall off to gain more energy, what would you press instead if you have max combo points at the time?

if you have rupture up as well

[buoyant herald]

you just wait

[wispy sparrow]

would it not be better to keep spamming mutilate then if u can?

even though you overcapping on combo points

[normal mist]

No

Combo points are to be used

Why overcapping just because you cant wait 2 seconds

[wispy sparrow]

Ig I got the mentality of you always want to be casting

[scenic stratus]

is the voidshard 100% drop rate thing live now

[normal mist]

Yes

Depending on content

[scenic stratus]

ty!

[little cedar]

You get tons of value by envenom chaining, if your energy is good to keep chaining then you are doing better overall

[cunning needle]

run an advanced sim with
profileset."Imperator Averzian (Aberration/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=aberration profileset."Vorasius (Aberration/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=aberration profileset."Fallen King Salhadaar (Humanoid/Mastery)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=humanoid profileset."Fallen King Salhadaar Adds (not_specified/Versatility)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=not_specified profileset."Vaelgor & Ezzorak (Dragonkin/Mastery)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=dragonkin profileset."Vaelgor & Ezzorak Adds (Elemental/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=elemental profileset."Lightblinded Vanguard (Humanoid/Mastery)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=humanoid profileset."Crown of the Cosmos P1/P2 Adds only(Aberration/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=aberration profileset."Crown of the Cosmos Alleria/Simulacrum (Humanoid/Mastery)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=humanoid profileset."Chimaerus (Aberration/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=aberration profileset."Beloren (Elemental/Haste)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=elemental profileset."L'ura (not_specified/Versatility)"+=midnight.darkmoon_hunt_race=not_specified

[worn geyser]

ty, I ran a few with it simmed as vers to see if I could swap any gear around for any % increase on lura but it stayed the same, I also simmed a few of the other embellishments over the hunt for fun to see if any of them could beat the vers one but seems the hunt is just op that even the worst version of it is best lol

[cunning needle]

yeah

thats what i found as well

[jade grotto]

I hate pugging

[buoyant herald]

OUTLAW!!! wait

[willow kite]

For puzzlebox timing;

Is it better to

bleeds and cp generation etc -> envenom -> puzzlebox -> dm -> kb
or
bleeds and cp generation etc -> puzzlebox -> envenom -> dm -> kb

[balmy condor]

The first

[analog field]

why do we do the first ?

Sometimes I feel if I PB first env buff may expire

[worn geyser]

there shouldnt be a world that happens, since it lasts a while and you can instant envenom first global after KB due to hero talent

[analog field]

I mean its 5 sec and it's 2 + 1 + 1 at least

especially in m+ there is movement etc

that's why I asked what is the downside of the other one

Even an envenom under box buff is better

[rugged basalt]

If im scared of my env buff running out I keep 5 cp and pb first

[golden loom]

why do you need to keep 5

you get combo points from KB

[worn geyser]

tbh i was trying to find the upside to PB second but only thing I could think of was like, the sim wants the envenom prerolling into box so that every envenom within PB is rapid injection + inspiring strike buffed

[rugged basalt]

Sorry, I meant that I used to envenom right after pb. But I no longer do that

[worn geyser]

and maybe also you might get 1 extra cast of envenom that has lucky coin buff + PB buff more often than not since youre spamming more during CDS

[rugged basalt]

That was only when I was on 180ish ms

I don’t find the time-to-box to be an issue since it’s not 2s, rather lesser

[worn geyser]

ye and i mean 5 second envenom buff is also worst case scenario, a decent amount of time you seal fate into a 6 or 7cp envenom before box

[oak forum]

I am trying to setup a platynator profile that chnages mob nameplate colours based on if bleeds are missing, does anyone know how to do this?

[golden loom]

Does not sound possible

[oak forum]

Really? is it not possible to have the hp bars change colours, similar to if i have threat or not but based on a debuff?

[golden loom]

like 99% sure it isnt possible ye

[oak forum]

So are most people tracking their bleeds just by looking at the icons on top of the nameplates?

[rugged basalt]

Yes

[golden loom]

ye

[rugged basalt]

Jundies’ profile indicates pandemic

That’s when I start panic reapplying

There’s not that many pulls that require effort beyond eyeballing how many mobs there are imo

[oak forum]

Ok, thanks much all

[iron thorn]

i love how i was so worried about this, the kick mods, and stuff like coloured nameplates being nuked for midnight

but it's all the same

[rugged basalt]

Party cc tracking is dead

[iron thorn]

yes thats one thing i miss

hell the mdi has a kick tracker

[rugged basalt]

That’s about all that changed

[iron thorn]

where is ours

[bold dragon]

sry guys maybe its a dumb question . if i use garrote without improved garrote do i destroy my active improved garrote ?

[upbeat sail]

yeah it overrides it

[quiet star]

ritual lvl 1 is still fastest way to farm shards right?

[twin hull]

any1 done normal raid for shard farm? how much approx do u get?

[grim jay]

whats the rate in ritual lv1? heroic raid is pretty fast if your group blasts

[royal lantern]

Yes ofc

thats why you let improved garrote run out and instantly apply a normal one when its at 0

[bold dragon]

ahh ok ty

[blazing totem]

if nothing changed then like 16%

if you are unlucky it will take you hours spamming rituals, with the hotfix it's smarter to just do M+ or raid for guaranteed drop

plus you save sanity

[grim jay]

ye 16% is rough

[blazing totem]

but I heard ppl were speedrunning t1 rituals in like 3-5mins?

if so then you could probably blast and farm it fast

but mind numbing

[dire flume]

whispering people after getting declined is cringe af

[rugged basalt]

Me no likey whispering because there’s 20ish dps applying to a key at most times

[rugged basalt]

heblo

[calm grail]

Your left or my left? Like if I look down at my hands or if you're looking at me head on? You need to be more specific

[dire flume]

hi

[rugged basalt]

Ritual sites 1-4 and normal raids rate was reduced after the hot fix and honestly may not be worth farming for shards anymore. It was allegedly 16% for sites before, who knows what it’s at right now. I think heroic raids, bountiful delves t11s and weekly keys are the way to go

[humble verge]

people taking 12s seriously

[rugged basalt]

I put a regular one in my normal raid

If you die it’s not my problem

I stay stuffing my raid groups

[grim jay]

its kinda pocket money

so

they are pretty cheap now

[rugged basalt]

Isn’t it still 5k

[sacred oyster]

10+ keys are guaranteed now too. just do your weeklys and theres 2 sets there.

[hazy ether]

Hey guys, I see a lot of streamers not letting envenom apex fall off on big pulls. When do we let apex energy regen proc and when its better to just pump it?

[blazing totem]

if you are not getting energy starved in big pulls, afaik there is no reason to force it to fall off

it's "only" energy

[clear knoll]

It’s harder to get into 10s after shards came out. People just want the best of the best to steam roll through it 😩

[royal lantern]

no?

its just 200000000000000000000000000000 people applying

[humble verge]

@golden loom yay

[golden loom]

the rat is about to be the same ilvl as main when I upgrade trinket

[humble verge]

[royal lantern]

higher ivl then my rogue

i love loot this tier

[worn geyser]

bros alt is 3 ilvl higher than my rogue wtf

[golden loom]

the dh and dk should also get to this ilvl this week I think

I love crest discounts

[royal lantern]

world of crestdiscounts

if you are lucky on 1 character

everything gears up instantly

on a serious note, do you think they will fully revamp gearing at some point, cus we reached the ceeling for gearing bs in midnight lmao

[golden loom]

in wow 2 after last titan

[plain thistle]

yeah, not liking this system, too easy to gear

[humble verge]

but uwu

[worn geyser]

idk it seems kinda static atm, i bet they fix the suiciding a character to get hero of the dawn early tho

[plain thistle]

there is almost no reason to mythic raid anymore, for loot at least

[humble verge]

do i go maisara

and reroll and hope for headpiece

[royal lantern]

not even "too easy to gear"

just

what are we even doing

blizzard is legit throwing gear and ilvl upgrade systems at players every 4 weeks now

[golden loom]

you done voidspire this week?

[royal lantern]

simply to keep the ilvl addicted crowd keep playing

[humble verge]

we did upto dragons last night after l'ura prog

[golden loom]

ah gg well fk it send a roll

[humble verge]

i COULD

gamble on i get it for paladins

[plain thistle]

nice, our guild is done with voidspire until lura is dead

[humble verge]

but we have nobody to do bosses on sunday anyways

[humble verge]

takes a solid 1,5h or less to reclear up to paladins

and thats with 2 chimaerus splits

[plain thistle]

a few people still have gear there, but i guess our raidleader cant be bothered

[golden loom]

are u still splitting chim

[plain thistle]

we arent event doing chima

[spice surge]

It being better to gear an alt before you gear your main to utilize the crest reduction bothers me immensely

[humble verge]

so just pug it

[fresh kelp]

1/6 of our raid week

[humble verge]

i mean

you can pug NK

[royal lantern]

wtf are your guys raidtimes

[humble verge]

so then you have 2 raid vaults

[plain thistle]

yeah we did with pug last night, with 1/3 from our guild, wasnt a problem

[fresh kelp]

3 days 9 hours

[spice surge]

Like if I made a new rogue I could get to max ilvl but my current one cant

[rugged basalt]

2.5 hours just to clear vs 2/6..

[royal lantern]

i hate that shit so much

[plain thistle]

exactly, i did that in hc and now in mythic, next week with crest discount I can level the last 3 pieces on my main, because i already have them at 6/6 on a alt

[worn geyser]

i was so close to leveling a new rogue, cause i think unironically i could get it better geared in 2 weeks max

especially if i rng a mythic gaze and dont pity it

[rugged basalt]

Wait I got the myth achieve despite not being 285 on all slots, how that work

[spice surge]

And now you can also use the voidcores to save crests, if you hadn't upgraded those slots already

[coral ibex]

its 285 avg

[rugged basalt]

Oh okay

Were the prior ones individual gear stat

[coral ibex]

yes

[rugged basalt]

Makes sense ty

[golden loom]

I am kinda split on the gearing tho cause I do love playing alts

[coral ibex]

i dont like how you are encouraged to gear your alt first

[rugged basalt]

Not a fan of the unintentional encouragement to sac an alt

[gray hazel]

Do our bleeds snapshot? or is it a tooltip error

[worn geyser]

im not so THD-pilled that i want a system like AP back but tbh i do think playing ur main should be rewarded more than it is currently , if anything to help ease the insane fotm reroll we have going on now with how easy it is to alt idk

[spice surge]

No everything updates dynamically

[coral ibex]

i really hate the fotm reroll culture in wow

[rugged basalt]

Was funny seeing all the green turn to orange

[coral ibex]

devs lean into it too

[rugged basalt]

What colour are they now

[coral ibex]

"oh we can't balance the game after the first few weeks because people have invested in their characters"

[golden loom]

make the leveling meaningful 🙂

[coral ibex]

meanwhile people literally just reroll to whatever is doing the most damage anyway

[gray hazel]

Dope, i just popped puzzle box and noticed the damge on the tooltip didnt change, then when i re did a rup/gar it did then

[rugged basalt]

Possibly a failure on the tooltip

[plain thistle]

same, maybe the error was just the bonus roll this early

[worn geyser]

bro it happened so fast too, i check my friends list one day and its just all of a sudden every tank is on a bear

people get 1 glimpse of a meta shift and just load up the next character for .1% gain for their non rank 1 keys despite prolly playing it ~5-10% worse

but its valid cause otherwise u get silvermoon pov

[rugged basalt]

[clear knoll]

So I can just spam tier1 with no challenges and it’ll still be 16% drop rate?

[acoustic roost]

Yes but it’s wildly inefficient

[blazing totem]

you can if you ready to lose your mind

or just do endgame content you would do regularly, gain something from it while also acquiring shards at 100% rate

[onyx veldt]

i saw some1 say that it might be worth to use voidcores on some heroic gear is that true?

[ashen scroll]

They're infinite so may as well

[clear knoll]

It’s pretty good for something to do at work that doesn’t hold you down

[ashen scroll]

• crest save

[grim jay]

one such case might be a heroic trinket if you wont get it anytime soon on mythic ig

[clear knoll]

What ilvl would the shard push an heroic item too?

[onyx veldt]

so if i have heroic gaze i might wanna do that?

[grim jay]

if you wont get mythic gaze this week or bonus roll after that

[onyx veldt]

i see

[grim jay]

the voidcores basically just depend on how much you play

if you do 20 keys a day, might aswell shoot them on everything you can

[radiant otter]

people will be complaining about cores taking up bag space and only stacking to 5 before you know it

[spice spire]

Sorry I don’t have mental illness like that king

[grim jay]

saaaame

gotta appreciate the world out there

and hate it

[spice spire]

I would if we were in the same region though

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

I honestly get those "you are getting old" moments more and more recently. loving geat scenery and beautiful landscapes outside of cities

[grim jay]

rizzler always getting better, never losing his edge

[humble verge]

@golden loom guess what

[golden loom]

did u roll it

[humble verge]

1 shot

[golden loom]

easy

[humble verge]

but now i only have 1,5 raid rolls

also my vault is pretty much just a socket this week

or i pick up neck for assa

[analog field]

just take roll and have 2 raid rolls

[humble verge]

nah

i can only roll on 1 item i need anyways

alleria neck

[golden loom]

the better spec

[humble verge]

idk about that

where add demeg

[golden loom]

adds are cringe

[humble verge]

2 assa logs

on lura

[royal lantern]

oh no, you like.....things humans like.....

you are getting old truly

man you guys have a age fetish sometimes with how often you bring it up

[grim jay]

nothing more attractive than matureness

[grim jay]

ye ikr, its crazy

growing out of that gamer mindset

[royal lantern]

guys, i like fresh air and going outside feels good, am i old????? washed up fr fr

[spice spire]

Tell that fraud uwucutegirl

[grim jay]

if you prefer going outside over doing your vault, definitely washed and old

[golden loom]

imagine being like "today I wanna log in and play sub rogue" could not be me

[sick sail]

bonus rolling m pbox makes me wanna watch assa now and main it

[spice spire]

“Man I sure do love having to discern what haste actually helps me and which haste doesn’t” - words of the utterly mad

[iron thorn]

@balmy condor found an add on for you https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/girlypop

[viscid spear]

Whispyr needs an uWu version.

[slate kraken]

guys question, im pushing like 18s now
but my boss dmg is kinda bad compared to other classes is it me or just the M+ build kinda sucks in boss fights?
(ofc i mean outside deathmark, with deathmark its on par with other classes)

[low silo]

Sin damage is just bad

I love sin but it just ain't hitting rn

[coral ibex]

skill issue im afraid

[low silo]

I mean sims don't lie

[coral ibex]

SIMS

[low silo]

Sin is under tuned compared to the other specs

[coral ibex]

bro i was drinking water

cmon

[low silo]

Obvious troll

[coral ibex]

yea you are

an apparent raidbots main

[low silo]

You cannot look at raw numbers and say "sin is just as good as outlaw and sub"

[slate kraken]

im new to rogue and tbh i hated sub and dont like outlaw but i lOVED assa
but like im doing good aoe dmg
its just the single target thats bad

[coral ibex]

i dont argue with people who use 5m patchwerk sims to craft their opinions

[slate kraken]

in dungeons i mean ofc
in raids thats something else

[low silo]

Lol 3 digit io take

[nova aspen]

sin doin pretty well looks like

all 3 specs are tbh

[low silo]

It's obviously still playable and functional but from a strict numerical standpoint it's undertuned

It does however crank out strict boss damage in raid

[polar sail]

Is there any change for classes for next patch?

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/alone-man-talking-chairs-meme-gif-2529419504997737730

[nova aspen]

anyways, you cannot judge a spec based on their sim. in LOU sin was the worst sim spec in the game, and was in the top 5 for best performing

[coral ibex]

triple digit io take

[nova aspen]

sims are only used to identify upgrades

[coral ibex]

[nova aspen]

[fleet whale]

I mean if we just go by sims Feral should be one of the best dps specs in the game

[low silo]

Only thing fucking feral is the way their tree is set up

[random pelican]

Has anyone made Whispyr's big ass explanation into a !sims command yet?

[coral ibex]

its pretty easy to just explain sims are for comparing gear and talents for a single character

and are not useful as comparison tools between specs

because sims are not made to any standard of quality

[random pelican]

Some people dont seem to get that haha

[coral ibex]

yea people get really defensive about it

and insult your intelligence

[fleet whale]

Historically speaking, assassination has always been known as a high floor but low ceiling dps spec. Which is why it almost never ranks highly on max percentile averages on WCL

[coral ibex]

very weird behavior

[fleet whale]

But what would the main change you would like to see for assassin in 12.1?

For me, I would like to see perhaps some sort of damage buff you get from the stacking implacable buff.

[golden loom]

u dont compare sim dps between specs...

sims are a gearing tool, nothing else

[low silo]

Yes obviously sims aren't a perfect metric but the raid stats back it up too

[runic hinge]

does that assume everyone in raid plays perfectly and gets 100% uptime

if I look at the raid for what blizz likely tunes around and the graphs look like this

is assa still undertuned

or is it only undertuned in niche content when judged by an even smaller amount of the playerbase

[frosty cedar]

assa is op in raid in my entirely anecdotal opinion

wcl stats are for nerds, dont ever look

[runic hinge]

feral is op cause I always top the meters for my guild and idc what the stats say, i am a cat

[frosty cedar]

a true gigachad

trust only the results your eyes can see

[fallow canopy]

I can't see so results don't matter to me

[royal lantern]

they are

we all want to be cats

feral are cats

feral 1, everyone else 0

[runic hinge]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-gif-27367825

[glacial orchid]

is sudden demise worth it or only for logs @dragons?

[golden loom]

not good for actually doing the boss

[rugged basalt]

I installed Account Played to check smth

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

[rugged basalt]

The only correct day metric to post

[glacial orchid]

which loadout is worth it instead? i only see top 100 Sudden demise by far 😄

[royal lantern]

wowhead has the build

sudden demise is literally

"i int on the boss for personal logs by padding orbs"

if you do that on prog or the first 1-2 re-clears, you deserve a gkick

[glacial orchid]

xD

[rugged basalt]

I stalked my goat, the goat had SD for a reclear for pad but the previous kills did not have it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fR2rW1kCAKVbMzGQ?fight=23&type=summary&source=19

[glacial orchid]

hm looks like m+ build, k 🙂

ty

[worn geyser]

yeah

[quiet star]

guys how tricks works now?
will dots also apply threat on tank for this 6 seconds or only direct damage like fan?

[royal lantern]

all dmg

but like

you dont really "help" the tank

you just dont get clapped yourself

[quiet star]

so it doesn't make bigger amount of threat on tank in result?

[royal lantern]

no

its dps threat

not tank threat

[rugged basalt]

idk why it doesnt count lemix or my warrior alt from twws1 but itll populate it if i log into them ig

i only play one rogue char

[worn geyser]

yeah u gotta log into each alt first

[rugged basalt]

i aint doing allat i like six seven days on one rogue

[worn geyser]

i technically have a level 80 mage and level 40 druid but like, ive spent a total of like 10 hours combined across them

[fallow canopy]

how many days? gulp

[worn geyser]

tbh i feel like my hours are low compared to what alot of ppl have prolly considering i started playing in wod

my CS hours are 2x my wow hours

are the rituals the method for gearing alts now? im leveling this 2nd rogue to suicide myth crests into my last slots i need to upgrade on main

[rugged basalt]

[storm forum]

I just realized I quit DotA cause it was too much of a time sink and I wasn't doing anything else and now WoW has become the same thing for me send help

[humble verge]

@golden loom