assassination

[drifting cloud]

oh I think they meant zul but somehow merged zul and zaqul

unless ...

[cinder mountain]

sadge, expected something jucier 😂

[balmy condor]

what does that mean

did you expect me to be like "well assa sucks on this fight let me play demonology warlock"

[lone pasture]

why isnt ur lock alt geared wtf

[cinder mountain]

tbh its quite late here, my brain thought you switched off rogue

[thorn thorn]

I want to see whispyr play a shadow priest

[cinder mountain]

its always fun to see correlation between people alts

often there are patterns ofc

[iron thorn]

i main rogue and play one of the 3 fotm dps usually as alt

last ssn it was fdk

this ssn its aug

[true tusk]

works well in m+ actually, right?

[thorn thorn]

Aug, Enhance, Havoc

Spot the correlation

[cinder mountain]

aug is wildcard here , delete the spec

[true tusk]

weird picks, no commons

[thorn thorn]

Guess the main

[true tusk]

enhance

[thorn thorn]

Very good and technically correct guess

I typically main the femboy spec

But im an enhance main this season

[balmy condor]

hyperburning a kanna

[true tusk]

Good pick

[thorn thorn]

[true tusk]

what are you playing in this season?

[balmy condor]

in maplestory?

[royal lantern]

The flute

[balmy condor]

I'm going to burn an aran

[true tusk]

xd hahahahaha

retired?

[balmy condor]

in wow I'm playing assa and sub

[true tusk]

how's the sub? fun?

[balmy condor]

I think it's fun yeah

the haste shit is really cringe

but it is what it is

[gaunt herald]

is there a way with the ingame ui to alert you to put on poisons 🙂

[true tusk]

I've been thinking about going back to Outlaw after so many years of disuse, I don't know... it looks like it could be fun the way they left it now

[gaunt herald]

my friend is asking

[true tusk]

meh... this season it's like 90% classes are going to crit/haste

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

outlaw is pretty fun yeah

[balmy condor]

I meant the breakpoints, being crit/haste doesn't bother me

[gaunt herald]

thanks ill tell my friend

assassination is fun as hell I did 200m overall in a 10

[balmy condor]

you mean your friend did

[true tusk]

Ah, that's right... If I'm not mistaken, it needed a minimum of 700 haste for it to work, right?

[balmy condor]

around there yeah

[thorn thorn]

Sub has haste breakpoints?

[balmy condor]

yes

[true tusk]

I use the assa with 700 haste too, and I like it better than with mastery, besides, it's not like every dungeon has pulls of 15 mobs

[balmy condor]

whatever you think is fun man, it's a game after all

if 700 haste is fun then yippie

[true tusk]

41% crit 21% haste 33% mastery

I feel more comfortable because of the energy pool, it's noticeable... quite a bit

[true tusk]

How do you play it? What are your approximate stats?

[balmy condor]

no idea

[royal lantern]

what he is trying to tell you us "stop looking at your stats"

[balmy condor]

I simmed myself like 3 weeks ago

and haven't had a need since

[gaunt herald]

yeah i mean he did

its the year of our lord 2026 and blizzard still gives us these PNG ass cloaks with 4 polygons

[golden loom]

@balmy condor would you have a napkin math answer on the value of potting in lust vs potting in execute (for example alleria)

[true tusk]

He’s pretty chill this season, let him enjoy it hahahahaha

[true tusk]

wow 3 weeks ago...

[latent kernel]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[true tusk]

I need to get off that shit, i sim all days and i don't know the reason

[latent kernel]

Real meta is to only stack haste so u can energy maxx

[cinder mountain]

look for a job in finance

[true tusk]

no way 33 haste.... how you can take 33 haste its just crazy

[balmy condor]

ratio buddy

[storm forum]

crit is still energy maxing cause more crit means we need to spend less energy on builders

[balmy condor]

so for every 100 stats you have, it's 40 crit, 33 haste, 26 mastery, 1 vers

[storm forum]

also whisper you said we wouldn't feel our stats but I definitely feel it

[balmy condor]

feel it compared to what

[storm forum]

i was trying some builds in keys cause bored

mast/haste felt fucking terrible

like popping things at 35% was great

but holy

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, you feel it eventually

[storm forum]

so many 3x chains of no crits

[balmy condor]

obviously you can feel a difference in like 20% crit

when I say that I mean like you can't feel the difference between 40% and 45%

not 40% and 10%

[storm forum]

it was like 10%, i didnt have a 2nd haste/mast ring

[balmy condor]

yeah

[latent kernel]

I feel a huge difference with that agility stat, was running intellect and strength in a few keys

[balmy condor]

you can ofc feel that

[storm forum]

but i tried some other stuff like just changing to haste flask and crafted crit/haste ring over crit>haste ring

like <5% change there

and idk, was def feeling more builders

and less time during pooling

which was weird

[balmy condor]

guaranteed placebo

[storm forum]

maybe

but i definitely overcapped energy pooling at my usual numbers at least once

but maybe im just bad

and shouldve sent another env and wouldve overcapped on other set anyways

[balmy condor]

like if you're going from 40% crit to 35% crit, you're averaging like an average of 0.04 more combo points per target

it's not a lot

0.4 combo points extra in 10 targets

[latent kernel]

Why didn’t u just use the robot to test this stuff

That is what the clanker is made for

[storm forum]

im a feelycraft man

i sim for raid just cause my guild likes it when we put numbers in our RCLoot note

[latent kernel]

Do u mythic prog

[golden loom]

"this will feel like 10k dps "

[storm forum]

yeah, late CE guild

[latent kernel]

Ts lowkey griefing lol

[storm forum]

paladins kicking our ass

tbh im griefing less this tier than usual

robot wants me to use crit/haste and feelycraft also wants crit/haste

and i flex some random unimportant talent into poison bomb when i can

[latent kernel]

This is fascinating, do you use a damage meter

[storm forum]

yeah

[latent kernel]

What are your logs like

If u don’t mind me asking

[storm forum]

good

i was top 3 first boss for a bit

[latent kernel]

I mean percentile wise

Like 0-100

[storm forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/whisperwind/lanille

is it self promo if i link that?

[latent kernel]

No

[balmy condor]

banned

[storm forum]

rip

mb

i'll miss y'all

[thorn thorn]

I feel compelled to apologize to you for yesterday

[storm forum]

wtf did i really spell whispyr with an 'e' there?

my bad

sorry whispyr

[buoyant herald]

Whysper

[runic hinge]

number one assa rogue on whisperwind

[latent kernel]

Bro felt his way into a 99

[thorn thorn]

whyspyr

[frosty cedar]

Whispyer

[balmy condor]

whepsry

[golden loom]

Crown sadly did not perish today

On Wednesday for sure

[storm forum]

best rogue on the server in keys too

[thorn thorn]

How many rogues on whisperwind

[runic hinge]

2

me and lanille

[frosty cedar]

[storm forum]

there's actually a lot that like to push: precisely and astorea and a couple in 2 shot or alpha, but afaik they main swapped for their teams

[frosty cedar]

Does that make you the worst rogue on whisperwind

[runic hinge]

yes

[frosty cedar]

my goat

[thorn thorn]

Make it 3

[runic hinge]

cooking it up rn

[thorn thorn]

i hate that emoji so much

[storm forum]

it is rather vile

@abstract steppe can you stop pushing please? ur on track to beat me like today

thanks, have fun in overwatch!

[true tusk]

Sorry, I went to get something to eat and came back. I didn't quite understand this. Do you mean that for every 100 stats you have in each of them, that's how it's distributed as a percentage?

[balmy condor]

yes

[true tusk]

So, let's say you have 3,000 total stat points, the ideal ratio would be 1,200 in critical, 990 in haste, 780 in mastery, and 30 in vers, right?

[balmy condor]

yeh for single target

[storm forum]

dang i need less vers

[runic hinge]

You're gonna be in the nursing home ranting about stat allocations while they put you to bed

[storm forum]

and one more point of crit

[balmy condor]

I will be

either secondary stats will die

or I will die

[storm forum]

unfortunately, i think secondary stats will outlive the heat death of the universe

[true tusk]

My ideal stats based on item level and overall stats would be 921 crit, 760 haste, and 599 mastery, but I have 988 crit, 735 haste, and 527 mastery. Damn, I'm overpowered without even knowing it.

[balmy condor]

sims work

[true tusk]

yeah, fucking raidbots

He adjusts it for me without me having a clue, hahaha

and for aoe? now I'm super curious about it 😮

[balmy condor]

you drop some of the haste for mastery

[true tusk]

📝

i need to test the sweet spot for change some haste to mastery

[balmy condor]

go for it man idk

[true tusk]

I'll try 😮

[main bobcat]

Eldritch creature

[storm forum]

hello creature

[severe meadow]

hello creature (Lanille)

[thorn thorn]

Hello creature

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-bunny-cat-kitty-kitten-gif-4710761231535502921

[devout dust]

Do you guys think there is a certain keystone range that Sub starts to do worse than assa?

[drifting cloud]

maybe 20-21 but probably depends more on comp

[gray raven]

What is the sample size like 4 people lol

[drifting cloud]

huh? theres alot of rogues with resi 20

yeah 21 not so many

[potent oracle]

is spending on 5 combo points okay or should we always spend on 6 no matter what

[severe meadow]

Finishers at 5+

[potent oracle]

ty

[gray raven]

That’s what 18 people above 3900?

[solar wyvern]

I think with subs most recent buff u just never play assa unless youre desperate for prio

[drifting cloud]

so if your warr is playing fury or what

[solar wyvern]

Ye ig

[drifting cloud]

I will always take everything you say as gospel for m+

[solar wyvern]

Note that im about 500 mastery short on my sub gear

Im all crit hasted 8)

But yeah idk, pit is by far assa's best key and its barely eeking out sub

So its a lil smodge

I kinda hope they buff assa a bit, but like a buff for damage outside of cds in some way

Maybe like aa damage or deadly poison or something

Boring but effective

[keen raven]

I wish the 298 applied to a slot and not just a specific piece of gear, kinda feels bad u gotta pick outlaw or asa/sub

[quiet star]

Tbh this is such a strange spec hard lock on weapon

Like wtf actually

[keen raven]

its also worse for dual wield classes

like its kinda a cringe change

[fallow canopy]

we don't really know how it works exactly tho, maybe we can get several on the first week

[quiet star]

Not sure they will really.

But still why switching to sub? What you get with that?

[solar wyvern]

Sub benefits:
doesnt eat as much funnel as assa
Significantly more boss damage
More tanky
Similar aoe avg pack
Not reliant on sblades for damage
Sub downsides
Less prio
Less mass consistent aoe
Deathmark burst crazy

[balmy condor]

Sub benefits:

• doesnt eat as much funnel as assa
• Significantly more boss damage
• More tanky
• Similar aoe avg pack
• Not reliant on sblades for damage
  Sub downsides
• Less prio
• Less mass consistent aoe
• Deathmark burst crazy

my eyes were burning

sorry king

[solar wyvern]

Damn look at that

Formatting

I eepy on phone too much lazy

[balmy condor]

literally my job now technically

[solar wyvern]

Sorry big dawg

[balmy condor]

[solar wyvern]

Truuu

Dmv by day, wowhead by night

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't call this the dmv

it's more of like

[thorn thorn]

dawg who wrote this

[balmy condor]

preschooler enclosure

[thorn thorn]

Its makin my eyes hurt

[solar wyvern]

Me :3

[thorn thorn]

Im the class clown

I think anyway

[balmy condor]

no, you're the ran through hamster

[thorn thorn]

Lemme look up what that means

[fresh kelp]

i am very clueless but is sblades not a better cd in aoe than dm?

obv dm is much stronger in st

i never felt like dm did much but i am not an assa gamer

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

bro reading my messages like he has to do a deep analysis of shakepeare

[solar wyvern]

Eh dm kb slaps, finish the job amp + spattering a full stack kb yummy

Sub doesnt hit 1.4m in algethar first pull

Therefore assa better burst

[balmy condor]

the problem with comparing bursts is that assa has so much of its burst damage hiding in spatter

kingsbane looks like a poop cd but in aoe the caustic it gives is like 2.5x the amount of raw kb damage

[solar wyvern]

Ye i cant actually draw up some math but you can feel the diff between dm aoe and non dm aoe

[balmy condor]

kinda whacko

[fresh kelp]

I legit just forgor that dm amps kb

[balmy condor]

its been a common issue with DM

vendetta was very simple 30% amp

dm has interactions

and is just straight up giga stronger than vendetta ever was

but its hard to see that on a glance

[solar wyvern]

Yeah the problem with dm being so powerful is that your damage outside of dm is below par

Which is why if they were to buff assa id like a buff towards damage outside of DM that cant be ludicrisly amped by DM, so like white swings or maybe deadly poison

Spec is legit on the verge of being thanos if they tune it incorrectly imo

[keen raven]

white swings would be so gross as a change

XD

but itd work

[thorn thorn]

This is the first time i have heard “ran through”

[solar wyvern]

Sometimes simple does the job yknow

[fresh kelp]

sounds good another 50% to fok/ct

[solar wyvern]

DS flying daggers build

Lock in

[keen raven]

IMO I think more energy regen on deadly poison and more dmg on deadly poison

[balmy condor]

CT bugs get baked in as base effects, and now haste affects the amount of bleeds spread at 150% value

[keen raven]

would be a good change

[balmy condor]

[solar wyvern]

Completely busted

[keen raven]

im not saying a huge change

[indigo mulch]

I like pie.

[quiet star]

Sounds like in 26key assa will be better

[quiet star]

Can you describe more on "doesn't eat as much funnel"?
Assa has a pretty good funnel, no?

[balmy condor]

he's saying its too much

the group already has funnel

[indigo mulch]

You're to much.

[balmy condor]

assa is overkill

[indigo mulch]

To much swag.

I swear

[balmy condor]

that cannot be true

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

I'm a fat idiot who hangs out in discord

literally the reverse of swag

[indigo mulch]

I mean you get all the hot eboys on discord then.

e-kittens?

I'm sure thats a term

[quiet star]

Gaws

[quiet star]

Not my issue

[balmy condor]

charrend also plays a very different game

[quiet star]

But inability to play without tea is really strange

[quiet star]

On 21? I guess so

Also don't hit me, but shouldn't a deathstalker fix st a bit and make overall smaller with higher prio?

Even make you a bit more survivable

[balmy condor]

deathstalker gives higher prio and nothing else

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

:3

[analog hedge]

hit him with the aug gif

[muted oracle]

man i cant switch off sin anymore, when i play sub i just do so much less damage i think my brain got ruined

[keen raven]

has any1 simmed upgrading gaze to 298 before wep

[quick kestrel]

so im kind of at the point (+12s) where im transitioning over from sudden demise to the other build

is there a solid definitive build that's better at 12 or is the dragon tempered one strictly better from 13, and not including 12s?

[rugged basalt]

If you’re pushing keys past 12 I’d suggest getting used to non-sudden demise anyway

[balmy condor]

ilvl on gaze kinda blows

main hand -> puzzle -> gaze -> offhand for sure

[keen raven]

cooked

[balmy condor]

I got my myth gaze like week 3 and it wasn't worth putting crests into until 3 weeks later

just be like that

[sharp viper]

We’re all whispyrs discord kittens in here :3

[zinc frost]

Well that makes me feel less bad for only having heroic one

[shy heron]

Idk about that but the man is simply legendary 🐐

[runic hinge]

[golden loom]

gonna put 10 crests (when I get the myth discount on wednesday) into this dagger just for the leech

[quiet star]

Why not lol

[heady drum]

krick has better stats anyway, no? should be a minor dps increase aswell

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/taron-egerton-apex-netflix-chemical-brothers-gif-4000005369303687551

[quiet star]

That's how 2sec box cast time feels

[golden loom]

probably a bigger upgrade to spend the 10 crests on any other piece for ilvl gain, but with the weapon upgrade thingy I just wanna use it on the leech dagger

[runic hinge]

Yea I mean dagger has the least stats of any slot so switching the secondaries gotta be in the .2 range at best

[golden loom]

!!!

[runic hinge]

A whole 150 dps!!

Wowza your secondaries were cooked

So much better now

[mortal crag]

I mean if ur gonna upgrade it next week with the core too

better to use the better dagger with leech

[golden loom]

killed lura yet?

[humble verge]

we have 12h of raiding left, cause a lot of people are gone from next reset

[golden loom]

[humble verge]

so like today wed and thu and then idk

[golden loom]

hope u kill it

[humble verge]

like

we got to p3 last night

but then just insts die when we get to the cloned

clones

tbh, we have no bench so its kinda cooked

[golden loom]

we are wiping to alleria p3 platform transitions (or chain wiping in p1)

[humble verge]

wait arent u done with the tier

or is it alleria reclear

[golden loom]

no its prog

im not in a hof guild

[heady drum]

damn yall sassy as hell i just said it was a minor increase

[golden loom]

2 day gaming

[golden loom]

sorry that was not my intention if it came across like that

[humble verge]

oh bro

ah nvm

its varas whos like

top 40

[golden loom]

my plan is to go wr1k -> liquid

[humble verge]

bro is shindig industry plant v2.0

[golden loom]

yeah just without any guilds in between

any day now liquid max will just look up my logs and send a dm

saying something like "holy shit ur bad, wanna join?"

[buoyant herald]

you should probably be the one sending dm as the assass rogue 😎

[blazing totem]

maybe a dumb question but do we still Shiv? I find myself shiving to 5cps to preserve energy but not sure if this is optimal

[balmy condor]

it is very much not

[blazing totem]

alright, thank you

oh, now I see you going on a rant about people shiving.. yeah now I feel like a dumbass

[balmy condor]

I'd say it's chill

but lowkey

[balmy condor]

yeah it is kind of a dumbass move, removing shiv from the rotation was sort of the big crowning change for assa

you'd think it would be in like the faq or the guides or anything as well

but I guess it's harder to notice the absence of something that it is to notice the existance

that got really philosophical out of nowhere

[blazing totem]

I read through the whole FAQ but didnt find a mention of shiv in optimizations, so I kinda figured it isnt the correct move but was kinda curious so I asked just in case

[balmy condor]

ye ye

[blazing totem]

I remember there being a case with DS that you would shiv for 7cp yeah?

I guess it kinda stuck with me from that moment that shiv exists lol

[balmy condor]

correct, but deathstalker is also giga poopybutt

the only reason that shiv thing exists for DS is cause I went degenerate trying to optimize DS to make it not poopybutt

but like

I ain't pulling ~6% out of my ass

that's tough

APL optimizations can get like maybe 1%, 2% if there's a lot to do

[blazing totem]

on top of it feeling cheeks to play

[balmy condor]

but there's not a lot to do

yeh

I mean forcing yourself to 7cp for darkest night

and the mark

and having to shiv

[blazing totem]

doubling down on the mark was definitely a choice from Blizzard

[hard mason]

Feel trickster would've fit assa better than outlaw thematically

[frozen torrent]

How come no assa rogue has killed Midnight Falls yet?

[balmy condor]

cause they haven't felt like it

sub is the community perspective better spec everywhere

so people just don't play assa, be like that

[frozen torrent]

Personally I'd argue for Assa being the better spec for progress in most scenarios, it seems like the community perspective is waaay to focused on Sub being better.
I just dont know if there is anything specific on Lura, that makes Assa awful

starting prog next reset, planning on going Assa

[balmy condor]

nope

you can play legit everything on lura

outlaw is probably good too

probably also doesn't help that every pov on lura is sub right

starting with RWF

so people just look up lura pov, sub, and then play it

probably actually a real issue

[frozen torrent]

Agree

[cinder mountain]

maybe there will be time where every spec will have their own tailored hero talents, up until that moment they will be bullshit 😄

hero talents are kinda cool, but they have a lot of problemms really, I think small subset of specs got it right

its either too much leaning into fantasy, or w/e I don't even know what my hero talents are thematically

[buoyant herald]

You might if they were remotely engaging

[cinder mountain]

but but we were having constant battles with moving of the mark, isnt that engaging

xD

[shy axle]

How is the difference between assa and outlaw in higher keys right now? I thought, especially with the recent nerf, that they are but +/- the same. I did not follow the discussion in the last few days tho and i got told outlaw would be 10 to 15% better, which i would say is way overblown. Whats the situation there right now?

[balmy condor]

outlaw is probably a bit better but if your group doesn't have burst prio then assa is close enough to where it doesn't matter

people have been swapping sub lately because the assa prio has been overkill

[shy axle]

sub just for the aoe burst you mean?

ty for the comment

[balmy condor]

sub for the lack of prio

[shy axle]

and thats just pure aoe? or do i understand it wrong

[balmy condor]

yes

[shy axle]

ok ty again

[spice surge]

Sub doesn't even have bad prio

Its just that assa has insane prio

[balmy condor]

yeh I guess

[jade abyss]

Assa is still spread bleeds keep it up and press envenom at 5 cp right in aoe?

[balmy condor]

ye

[jade abyss]

Hmm ty

[true tusk]

this season being somewhat easier, what would truly be considered high keys and a way you can say without shame is starting to get high, speaking as a player who goes from pug

[light quarry]

19-20+

[analog field]

yeah maybe 18's too

[true tusk]

so, 16-17 isnt "good" at all

[light quarry]

thats not what u asked

[analog field]

what does good mean

[light quarry]

without any context to ur previous performance or anything i wouldnt say 17s are that special no

having all dungeons at 20 is barely title nowadays for reference

[analog field]

yeah it will probably be enough for 1%

I guess all 19's and something more will be 1%

[true tusk]

I always try to push as much as possible, so when the cut starts and people are really getting hit, if I get past that point I consider it good because I was able to continue

[golden loom]

only doing keys for gear and crests

[light quarry]

with how much more gear we will get this season i think top 1% will be 20s on all

[analog field]

yeah it will be around there

[true tusk]

so 18-19's, ty

[analog field]

also like pit 21 or even 22 might be easier than alg 20

[light quarry]

for todays standars yes, 18-19s are good

[analog field]

or skyreach

[light quarry]

that changes once 12.0.7 comes

[true tusk]

on the other hand, my dungeon average isn’t bad, but I feel like the character’s performance potential is much higher, I think I’m losing too much time at the start of pulls

[light quarry]

every class can do 20>, the problem is getting into the keys or the pure will of sitting in lfg for all that time

[true tusk]

is it better to use garrote twice at the start of the pull on the mob, then fok + rupture and after that ct spamm, or garrote + fok + rupture + second garrote? I feel like spacing it out slows me down

[golden loom]

the 2 things you just wrote down is the same amount of globals

[true tusk]

yeah

[true tusk]

it’s just that by the time I’ve used everything, in pulls with bl against certain classes, I feel like I’m ‘too late’ to start doing damage

[golden loom]

I mean most of the time you can do your entire setup while the tank is still gathering

[true tusk]

with secrets/redirection

right?

[golden loom]

yeah tricks can do some stuff even tho its kinda bad but also if you see your tank do big stuff in the opener when he starts gathering

[white hound]

do I always build and let fall off 5 stacks of implacable

or dont play around it?

or like at how many targets is it worth

[iron carbon]

I think you should, unless you gonna overcap energy

[white hound]

but sometimes theres so many targets that I always have energy

[iron carbon]

So no

You play around only if you'll benefit from energy

Usless to lose dps to gain energy if you already at max energy

You see the point?

[white hound]

yes ty

[zealous umbra]

Hey . If I sim my outlaw at dungeon slice it sims so much higher then my assa. But it’s the same itm lvl and for assa I got the better trinkets aswell . Probably a dumb question idk

[runic hinge]

Sims aren’t meant to compare specs. It’s just for gearing/talents

Because a sim is a set situation that isn’t indicative of a specs actual performance in a dungeon

Like it’s not gonna be the number that’s on your meter when the key is done

[zealous umbra]

Ok . I was just a little bit confused about the big difference in numbers

[runic hinge]

I mean Dslice is a pretty good sim for outlaw. It’s never over its target cap. But you have a first pull like AA or many other dungeons and assa can do more cause it has uncapped aoe but a sim doesn’t show that. I think both specs are good and have their niche tho so I’d just play what you prefer/feel like you’re better at

[zealous umbra]

Ok thanks a lot 👍🏻👍🏻

[runic hinge]

You’re welcome I love you

[spice spire]

Bro?

[zealous umbra]

😄

[proven kettle]

I finally got my box.

[normal mist]

Happy for you

[proven kettle]

Is there a way to sim the plume in either variant without changing it in game?

[spice surge]

Just add it in topgear

[normal mist]

Add it

[proven kettle]

oh is there an option for it? must not have seent it.

[coral ibex]

you'd just type in umbral/radiant plume

whatever one you don't have

[brazen halo]

So how do I use the puzzle box properly with the cast time

[stuck lodge]

You stand still and cast it

[brazen halo]

Sure, but is it just before Deathmark xD or what

[stuck lodge]

Yep

[coral ibex]

from the wowhead guide

[stuck lodge]

Man I was typing all that shit out, picture better

[coral ibex]

it would be even better if we had emotes for the spells

i can write out my whole black mage rotation in discord emotes for ff14

[stuck lodge]

I've tried to get into ff14 a couple times, never could

[river vapor]

Where does vanish fit in with this? If we want to vanish with Deathmark ideally, do we hold vanish for 2 minutes until DM comes back up?

[stuck lodge]

It just doesn't really line up

[white hound]

ff14 mentioned

[stuck lodge]

I think vanish is 1.5 m cd right? So you can force the first one to line up but after that it's desynced

[spice surge]

2m

[river vapor]

so we want to vanish when the timer on improved garrote is low, or if we have the opportunity to replace a regular garrote with improved garrote

[stuck lodge]

I legit just send it to upgrade my garrote kinda whenever it makes sense. So in raids it's usually right before adds so I can spread it from boss to them, etc.

[celest ruin]

[stuck lodge]

M+ it's just a restealth

[river vapor]

makes sense, I figure trying to keep track of it is kind of a lot

[stuck lodge]

It's actually super easy even with base CDM

I have mine set to display remaining duration and play a sound when it hits pandemic

[coral ibex]

[river vapor]

sorry im kinda dumb, what is pandemic

[coral ibex]

!pandemic]

fml

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[river vapor]

you can track this from the CDM?

[golden loom]

[real pike]

yoo wassup slimes

[storm forum]

No, blizzard hates when game mechanics are explained in game.

[real pike]

is it possible to cloak the madness debuff on the flying dog?

[coral ibex]

konnichiwagwan minnaslimes

flying dog???

[golden loom]

you can cloak to take less damage during it but not the teleport stuff

[river vapor]

i was gonna say i dont see this anywhere in my spellbook or talents lol

[golden loom]

lowkey madness aint all that bad cause you sometimes get up in the middle of the adds and can aoe

[coral ibex]

the game automatically glows garrote and rupture in pandemic

[storm forum]

If it does I've never noticed it

[coral ibex]

95% sure base cdm shows them glowing in pandemic

[real pike]

ahhh that sucks

[coral ibex]

well, base pandemic. it doesn't change based on longer garr or rupture duration

[real pike]

nah I'm looking to go down with the tank on the sacrifice and pad like hell as the boss is dying

[storm forum]

Pandemic used to be an Aff lock talent and then they removed it to make it baseline for all DoTs but never put it anywhere in game so now you just gotta know about it

[real pike]

but only have until madness hits I guess

[golden loom]

outside of pandemic

theres a slight red glow

[analog field]

yeah but it is not actual pandemic

[coral ibex]

it is tho?

wym not actual pandemic

[storm forum]

I track all my debuffs on top of enemy frames, the way God intended

[analog field]

it takes the default of 5cp for rup

so it is a bit off sometimes

[golden loom]

just refresh it before it drops off

[analog field]

I mean when you drop apex it helps refreshing rup if it is close there

[hallow token]

ok, unrelated to anything, does anyone else running Fatebound ever move toward the coin flip to try and pick it up? Like, we are rogues, and coin flips are shiny, so.

[river vapor]

damn so if i never came here to seek wisdom i would never know. i guess it doesnt impact that much anyway

[real pike]

no but I told people in my guild the coins give them buffs and watched them try to pick them up for a couple of dungeons

that was fun

[storm forum]

Speaking of DoTs, on paladins do y'all refresh gar early or say fuck it, off targets can live a couple seconds without gar so empowered gar fully runs out on main target?

[storm forum]

Sometimes I run away from it cause I think it's a mechanic

AHHHHH

Oh it's just a coin react

[plain thistle]

@coral ibex progging allura as assa ou sub?

we almost got intermission last night, and I'm liking my damage on p1, comparing with a a few sub logs

[coral ibex]

assa

[plain thistle]

loving my "-" next to my logs

[river vapor]

is there a list of spells that can be feinted with elusiveness for m+

[golden loom]

the feint DR you get from elusiveness works on everything that feint does not

[sacred oyster]

A friend of mine trolled a non rogue friend of mine to make him think he should pick up my coins for a buff.

he was seriously chasing them saying the same thing, shiny

[blazing totem]

we should make that into gameplay thing

you want the coin buff? go pick it up

so now FB can compete with DS in awkwardness to play

[celest ruin]

make the coins an item so you have to use it from the inventory to get the buff

[real pike]

With a cast time

[severe meadow]

Demonic

[warm cloud]

Stupid question maybe, when i'm in a key and the tanks pulls a clean pack, what I do is: impr garr, mutiliate (for 5c) rupture, pop cds, and then spam crimson till everyone has bleeds(ofc with envenom in between to drop combo points) afte rthat fan of knives into envenom. Is this correct somewhat? I used to be a sub player and started to get very much liking towards assassin!

And my aplogies my english isn't the best either 😂

[spice surge]

If you have 5+ cp you envenom, not ct

[normal mist]

Why do you mutilate in an aoe pack

[warm cloud]

Just for the first mob I use one mutlitate to have 5cp to do rupture and then crimson tempest

[normal mist]

Again, if it is a pack, you either fok or ct

Mutilate-1 target

[warm cloud]

So in this case its just garr, fan, rupture and then ct till everyone have bleeds and if 5+ combo envenom

(Aoe)

[iron chasm]

Why does it say in the online talent calculator for Atrophic poison: "Each strike has a 30% chance of poisoning the enemy, reducing their damage by 4% for 10 sec" but ingame it says for me "Each strike has a 21% chance ... reducing their damage by 3.6% for 10 sec"?

[normal mist]

Dtb probably or maybe some other talent interaction?

[latent kernel]

Just follow this it’s spoon fed: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[iron chasm]

Ah fair point somehow I didnt think it would change the text in the talents, though this would not explain the reduced dmg reduction would it?

because Dtb just says application chance reduced

[latent kernel]

It’s because baseline the database text is correct but master poisoner and dragon tempered blades both modify it

So if you have those talents selected that’s why

Dragon tempered blades reduces application chance, master poisoner increases protect

Potency*

[radiant otter]

the 4% is simply wrong

[latent kernel]

No it’s not

It’s rounded from 3.6

[radiant otter]

it's 3% increased by 20% (3 + 0.6 = 3.6%)

[latent kernel]

I guess yes wrong but also correct

[iron chasm]

Ah ye I see that explains it thanks a lot!
And one additional question, I see many people in higher keys playing atrophic poison instead of numbing, is the attack speed and cast speed reduction not worth it?

[latent kernel]

No, attack speed reduction vs 3.6% total damage reduced over the entire key is not even comparable

Atrophic is what makes us worth bringing to keys and raid

Or at least one of the main reasons

[spice surge]

In the vast majority of keys numbing is better

Because youll be wiping significantly more often to casts than you would because you are taking 3% more damage

[latent kernel]

It depends on your group tbh

If pugging numbing might be better, but in the highest of keys they run atrophic because kicks and knocks are on lock so the DR is better

[iron chasm]

Hm fair point, but assuming in a 5 man premade with comms, trying to push, atrophic os likely gaining a bit over numbing right?

[latent kernel]

It depends largely on group comp as well though

If you have Aug knocks plus Druid interrupt on healer plus another fast kicking class

Numbing loses value probably

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/james-candy-family-guy-trap-gif-7655570

[spice surge]

Well healers dont have interrupts, barring shamans on a 30s cd

[latent kernel]

I thought Druid had skull bash still

Or am I tweaking

I swear I saw one use it lmao

But regardless of that point is still the same

[radiant otter]

atrophic helps your party survive boss fights which are one of the most time-consuming, most difficult, and most punishing if you fail parts of the dungeon where mind-numbing really doesn't do much at all

[latent kernel]

Basically just run atrophic until you’re like wow we suck at kicks and then switch lmfao

[hazy sundial]

Is dps gain per ilevel exponential? Is there a curve?

[celest ruin]

no one kill paladins until reset please

[willow kite]

Is there a good and super efficient way to macro SS to focus target -> kick -> SS back to main target?

[cinder mountain]

guys, serious question, how you control yourself so you don’t play wow 24/7? are there any apps, any self control tips

[coral ibex]

[dawn seal]

how do u play 1st bosso n mythic

as assasination

do u death mark the big guy

i dont think so right

[celest ruin]

slam all dms and kbs on boss

[dawn seal]

yeah

okeoke

do u ever hold dm for saldahar damage amp

[frosty cedar]

no

[calm grail]

How many bonus roll items exist for AA?

I got my Gaze so I'm puzzle boxing.

[celest ruin]

5

[silk gull]

hey guys, did damage buff from coin work with dots?

[frosty cedar]

yes

[silk gull]

i mean, if i pop up rupture under coin buff and coin drop is rupture gonna be with buffed damage

or its buff only damage boost while its last

[frosty cedar]

no the buff lasts as long as the buff lasts

[silk gull]

oh, kk

if so does 4-5 stacks of coin make envenom higher prio than rupture if u in situation where u need to reapply rupture in ST scenatio?

[frosty cedar]

you dont play around the coins at all

[analog field]

In high level keys most of the time trash is more dangerous, and numbing is better.

Atrophic for keys is only for the highest possible keys

[analog field]

I think the opposite is more reasonable

Run numbing until you die from one shot abilities

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[quiet star]

ffs

second DK RL didn't call me on vault boss averzin because I need his trinket

idk people smoking something, or they so lazy to even check

[royal scaffold]

hello, how do i stop seeing my poisons on plater? i only want to see my garrote and rupture dot on targets

[analog field]

swap to p[latynator

[spice surge]

Theres surely a setting somewhere in plater, but you probably have an old profile of it

But yes literally anything besides plater will only show the bleeds (including default blizzard nameplates)

[sacred oyster]

thats kind of funny if plater is STILL doing that. but you would need to find some setting related to "Important" debuffs only

[royal scaffold]

tysm 🙏

[sacred oyster]

or "Blizzard Filter"

addons can either choose to use the blizzard filter or no filter at all

[spice surge]

People probably still have old pre-midnight profiles thats attempting to filter manually, but since thats not allowed it just defaults to show everything

Is my guess

[analog field]

I think I had the issue at launch with clear installing everything

[normal drift]

does atrophic poison works on raid bosses?

[analog field]

yes

[radiant otter]

he specifically asked why people are using atrophic in high keys, that's why people would use atrophic

it's a tradeoff mostly on trash vs bosses but having a nonlethal that benefits the entire dungeon instead of mostly specifically trash is nice

but also for what it's worth every tank i've asked dgaf but every healer i've asked really appreciates atrophic

[sacred oyster]

its the one thing that can be considered a "raid buff" lol

[analog field]

I mean they don't understand, cause tanks actually die to trash

[radiant otter]

i think they do understand actually

[analog field]

nah

[radiant otter]

okay

nice talking to you

[analog field]

All wipes are on trash on keys around 18-19

big pulls etc

[severe meadow]

M+ gotta be the most miserable conversation topic in here

[radiant otter]

i'll make sure to tell all the tanks who told me they dgaf about which poison to use that vov1nho says they are wrong

[analog field]

you know casts not going off is more important than a boss mechanic

[radiant otter]

the tanks who dgaf probably interrupt the casts but idk i'll include that in your reprimand to them

[golden loom]

I mean the numbing poison attackspeed slow is probably better for tank mitigation than atro

[analog field]

Yeah that's what I said and we think tanks know the difference between atrophic and numb

like they know what -15 attack speed feels

[worn geyser]

i mean other than a few specific pulls though in that 18-19 range your trash wipes prolly are not gonna be due to tank dying to melees and if they are the poison diff isnt the problem

[radiant otter]

like i said i think they do understand

[blazing kayak]

question about key logs, how do those work with aug in group? and comp wise. if you want good key logs, i assume i wanna go log runs with full phys comp and every buff yea? (idk shit about logging or how parsing n shit works)

[golden loom]

key parsing is not something anyone does so wouldnt worry too much about that 😄

[blazing kayak]

thats what i thought but

people legit look at them

ive been declined and kicked from group for having bad key parses

[golden loom]

wat da helly

[lime edge]

Why cant we just have both poisons

[golden loom]

cause its a talent choice node

[lime edge]

Aug damage gets separated in logs

[lime edge]

Oh really

[worn geyser]

let me have wound poison replace crippling poison

[lime edge]

Truee

Why is wound a lethal poison even

[fickle girder]

Poisoned wounds can often be lethal

[vale shore]

because it does damage?

[lime edge]

Separated aug dmg

[lime edge]

Yea, why?

Thats like giving the small dmg proc to crippling poison and making it a lethal

[vale shore]

are you suggesting that "wounding" poison should not inflict wounds?

[lime edge]

The dmg has nothing to do with that

Dont u have to damage someone to cripple them then

[vale shore]

do you consider being sedated "wounded"?

[lime edge]

I dont think rogue poisons are prescribed medication

Here enemy, drink some of this

[devout dust]

I see so many ppl not using the 2 Void set rings but it seems to sim so much higher with it. Are these rings sim bait?

[vale shore]

Do you think animals that are tranquilzed are first issued a perscription?

[lime edge]

Do u think getting tranquilized doesnt hurt or something

Dont try real life logic with me pal

[vale shore]

I am no longer sure what we are arguing, but I recall a time when mixing poisons was a skill rogues had to build up and there was even talk of extremely rare poison recipies that only a few rogues per server would have and they would sell to other rogues

[lime edge]

I think wound poison has damage on it literally just to balance pvp

[vale shore]

thats probably it, its damage is comparable to instant poison

[spice surge]

Its literally half of instant

[vale shore]

and the non-dot part of deadly poison

[radiant otter]

+18 keys using atrophic https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?class=Rogue&search=abilities.392388&bracket=17
+18 keys using mind-numbing https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?class=Rogue&search=abilities.5760&bracket=17

[worn geyser]

i mean, i think atrophic is the better pick but popularity doesnt necessarily mean its better, theres good reasons to use mind numbing

[radiant otter]

it's clearly eleem propaganda

nah if you click more there's tons more listings

[lime edge]

Does numbing even work on every cast tho

Does it work on unkickable casts?

[radiant aspen]

so outlaw does more damage then assa in highkeys atm

?

anyone have info about that

[quiet star]

based on warcraftlogs yes

[vale shore]

still not switching to Outlaw. Not even if there is a fire!

[lime edge]

They look the same to me on warcraft logs

Just looks like more people play outlaw

[cinder mountain]

but they do completely different dmg, not numbers, but the profile

one of them is flat as earth

[lime edge]

Assa damage is also uncapped

So it depends

[spice surge]

"Uncapped"

[lime edge]

Thats uncapped

Theres also your poison/bleed dmg

[nova aspen]

reduced beyond 5 is pretty substantial

we call that softcap

[spice surge]

Hardcapped at 8 is better than softcapped at 5

Until like 14 targets

At which point its slightly better

[lime edge]

Spatter is still only like 20% of ur dmg tho

Even less I think

Garrote, rupture, internal bleeding, deadly poison, and amp poison are uncapped

This is a random 12 pit I did

I think poison bomb is also uncapped

[jolly stirrup]

bro fuck paladins

what an ass boss

[cinder mountain]

when you say spec is "uncapped" there is expectation you are killing big AOE, assa is not that for sure 😄

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MzNkgCqf1V9cFaK3?fight=32&type=damage-done&source=502 can someone check what i did wrong :(

[marsh fjord]

Just a quick qeustion are you aware of the garrote empower extension tech?

because im only seeing one garrote.

[viral sage]

vanish but no garrote

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[dawn seal]

oh

this pull start wasa bit weird

i forgot yeah

[marsh fjord]

Yeah so basically in your opener you didn't have your empowered garrote in your deathmark.

[dawn seal]

oh

[golden loom]

Well he does

[pseudo crow]

Would assa work if i got high mastery instead of crit?

[golden loom]

Cause he garrotes from stealth

[dawn seal]

but i have to vanish and refresh it

and then before the buff runs out

do i have to refresh ita gain yeah

6 second window

[marsh fjord]

How long is a empowered garrote again out of stealth

[cinder mountain]

work for what

[pseudo crow]

M+ aspect

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MzNkgCqf1V9cFaK3?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=502

[golden loom]

24 sec with razorwire

[dawn seal]

also on this one

i dont tihnk i held it

[pseudo crow]

Sry my english is booteecheeks

[dawn seal]

but it didnt line up on damage up

[coral ibex]

kinda chilly gonna wear my jammas

[marsh fjord]

Also. i dont know what people do on vora but i see you went with CT

instead of improved poisons?

Dont know if thats normal or not.

Just comparing

[cinder mountain]

secondaries are not that important, just slam it

[lime edge]

I mean how high are we talking

[pseudo crow]

Lets say 12

[marsh fjord]

Also i dont want to be a bum telling you this but kill timing also sucks a lot.

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MzNkgCqf1V9cFaK3?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=502

[lime edge]

No i mean the mastery and crit

xd

[dawn seal]

should i be swaping

to the small adds

or do i still play like cleave of from boss thing

[pseudo crow]

578 Crit 909 Mastery

[dawn seal]

how much of an i lvl affect my parse

[golden loom]

Play full single target

[dawn seal]

[pseudo crow]

29% and 47% respectfully

[marsh fjord]

He went CT tho

[dawn seal]

i am behind on ilvl

[marsh fjord]

I mean a 61% parse on mythic vora

[dawn seal]

oh yeahon salhadar

i pressed ct

[marsh fjord]

is not bad btw

[lime edge]

Thats probably fine, just use crit flask

[cinder mountain]

just dont play PUZZLE BOX

[dawn seal]

oh okeoke

[golden loom]

Only time you leave boss on vora is if you get fixated yourself

[marsh fjord]

I heard you can vanish that 😄

and it goes on someone else

[golden loom]

And then you just hope its 2nd or 3rd set so you can stay in melee range

[dawn seal]

yeah i played full single on vorasius

i played ct on salhadar

[marsh fjord]

Parse wise boss needs to do around 4:30 for you to actually compete in the 90s

[dawn seal]

[marsh fjord]

you didnt tho

[dawn seal]

what

wait

what

[marsh fjord]

You played CT

on vora

[dawn seal]

[marsh fjord]

Thats what im telling you

😄

you swapped out improved poisons

for CT

This is your talents

[dawn seal]

[golden loom]

Its not impactful at all tho

[marsh fjord]

it wont change a log no.

But it does help

[dawn seal]

oh

[golden loom]

But ye play full st talents

[marsh fjord]

it wont make your 61 a 90

but it might make it a 70

(ish)

[lime edge]

In vorasius when the adds spawn, make sure you face the boss sideways/face the adds so your group thinks ur actually swapping to adds

[marsh fjord]

Not like this

a 20+ done with only bear druids

[lime edge]

I saw that

How do u do that without healer

Just cycle who's tanking or something

[marsh fjord]

Selfhealing i geuss

[lime edge]

Or maybe each person takes agro from a few mobs

And self heal

[marsh fjord]

Im on my phone men

Fixed it

[marsh fjord]

just for you

[dawn seal]

hahaha

no i told my group i am not gonna hit the adds at all

[lime edge]

I wonder if it would actually be viable to do 4 guardian druid and 1 dps

[dawn seal]

it was alt run and i am the guild master

[marsh fjord]

dps would die

[lime edge]

[dawn seal]

5 guardian druid

they literally said on salhadar

everyone hard swaps to adds

except cookieboo

[dawn seal]

i am using an addon

[marsh fjord]

This is why you have to a cracked up name playing a assa rogue. so they have to say your name

[dawn seal]

i think thats why i ll stop using it

[lime edge]

Hm, maybe

[dawn seal]

i was using orbit loadout

i will swap to assasination next season

probably

i am playing warlock this season but i never mained assasination it was always an alt

[marsh fjord]

Imagine your guild leader says like
EVERYONE SWAP ADDS EXCEPT

GLIZZYMASTER69

[dawn seal]

they said everyone except john gamer

its my total rp 3 name

[opaque karma]

any assn readers able to help me figure out y i suck

[iron thorn]

only 1 hunter on paladins

[viscid spear]

Also

[vernal adder]

Kirks dagger

[viscid spear]

Kirkland

[twilit lagoon]

QQ for skyreach, is it not possible to tab target the bird that takes people away? I swear I try and it never gets targeted, so I have to click it.

[humble verge]

@subtle tundra this boss isnt fun anymore

[fallow canopy]

It never was

[opaque karma]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/109165944?mode=detailed&zone=46&boss=3177&metric=dps&difficulty=5&partition=2&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[subtle tundra]

sure is!!!!!!!!

[humble verge]

370 pulls, barely soaked first p3 soaks

[subtle tundra]

ok but

thats strictly

skill issue

[humble verge]

yes

we are getting more so consistentyly to p2

atleast

[subtle tundra]

the boss is NOT that hard anymore

[spice surge]

You must not underestimate the amount of fuckups some people are capable of

Its a wild world out there

[humble verge]

you want me to stream and see how bad this feels like

havent bothered to since like

alleria cause this boss is literal dogwater

[fresh kelp]

never was comm is the truth

[fallow canopy]

Crystal holders learning process

Trust the system

[worn geyser]

u gotta make ur own fun, try and make the least amount of steps u can possible take. scare ur rl by not moving from a glaive 1mm next to you

otherwise its watching paint dry

[humble verge]

i have for the past 200 pulls

i mean atleast 3/4 pulls weve had now have hit P3

improvege

[thorn thorn]

Which

[humble verge]

i wonder

[thorn thorn]

Ya i do too

Thats why i asked broski

[humble verge]

L'ura

[thorn thorn]

Nice

Are you enjoying hell

[humble verge]

close to 400 pulls

[thorn thorn]

Thats nothing

[worn geyser]

ye i feel u, kinda wish the ‘difficulty’ wasnt so hard weighted towards like a few ppl

[thorn thorn]

Some guy last season had 700 pulls on dimmy

[worn geyser]

nightmare

[humble verge]

i mean i did have 500 dimmy pulls

iirc

nvm around 400 there too

xd

actually 300

[fresh kelp]

wasnt it you who dropped the log of 100 wipes on NK in a single raid night

the devious OT

[humble verge]

maybe

idk

oh acutally

yes

[fresh kelp]

that was so good

ye this one

surely you have ironclad mental now

[frosty cedar]

wh

what

[limber dagger]

is guidon generally better than puzzlebox for keys?

[coral ibex]

no

guidon is garbage

[limber dagger]

huh ive seen some people use it and figured since we like haste and its BiS for other classes it could be aight for us too?

[coral ibex]

no, its a 1:30 trinket

its awful for assa

anyone using it on assa just forgot to unequip it after swapping from sub

[limber dagger]

was looking at very high keys 👀 but maybe yea

[coral ibex]

there's no possible circumstance where using a 1:30 trinket with a smaller stat allocation is better than a 2m trinket with more stats

they just forgot to change gear

[limber dagger]

thats fair yea

[fresh kelp]

was it a seat or some other dungeon where you might swap specs at the end

[fallow canopy]

I think seat since you have like a straight 35 secs rp

[fresh kelp]

ye swaps are goated in seat

[spice surge]

Its like 50s

Its actually absurd

[lime edge]

Does sub even have better st than assa

To make u want to swap

[spice surge]

Yes

[fresh kelp]

probably depends on if you're getting a full execute cast on the second amp of the fight

[spice surge]

And that boss has 90s timer inbetween the amps too

[fresh kelp]

ah ye

[limber dagger]

i think i was looking at academy, would ahve to check again tho

[humble verge]

i mean

now im just sitting here with no emotion tbh

[spice surge]

But yes subs ST in keys is very high

[fresh kelp]

i feel you

it was a bit better once i swapped dk since i had an actual job in p1

[humble verge]

blasting full music

[fresh kelp]

but on rogue it was legit just 0 agency gaming for 200 pulls

[humble verge]

listening to no comms

non chalantly dodging glaives

and beam

[royal lantern]

oh ye its a blessing and a curse

[limber dagger]

scratch that i was loking at skyreach

[royal lantern]

on one hand, not many wipes are on you

on the other hand, you sit there waiting

[spice surge]

Like i had a 2:36 vexamus as sub (so pure ST) where i did 112k

[fresh kelp]

other than early pulls where my kick wa didnt work

pretty sure i caused 0 wipes on rogue

its just not possible to even do so

unless you die multiple times

[fallow canopy]

Yea you are basically a passenger until the seeds do their thing

[lime edge]

Makes sense

[rapid patio]

hello! this is the setup to sim in dungeons? i just realized i was ussing patchwerk

[storm forum]

Yeah we recommend dslice for dungeons

[spice surge]

Id recommend never using gear compare

As togpear does the same thing, except better

[rapid patio]

did not know about that option, thanks!

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[spare kayak]

just saw that no assa rogue killed mythic lura yet

that's unfortunate sub angle for that boss

[buoyant herald]

Outlaw on the board now too

[spice surge]

Assa is completely fine on the boss

[plain thistle]

yeah, progging m lura as assa, its fine

but i only did p1 so far

[latent kernel]

so surely your first ugprade with the voidcores is your mainhand right?

[waxen oyster]

mh then gaze

[balmy condor]

Mh then box if anything

Gaze ilvl is kinda poop