assassination

[full bear]

For AoE pulls I just use improved garrote, up to 6 combo, then rupture, crimson tempest whilst having a wank an then FoK when everyone is bleeded up

[buoyant herald]

on your first pull in that skyreach

[full bear]

And just let improved garrote run out until the last second

[buoyant herald]

your bleed damage was low, are you spreading with CT properly?

[fresh kelp]

you puzzleboxed opener but didnt dm or kb, didnt kb for another 50s or something? then dmed at 1:30 without either kb or puzzle up. want to sync cds.

looks like you're fanning a LOT on 5cp, should be finishing at 5

losing a lot of garrote and rupture uptime

[gilded oasis]

thres no reason to garrote to 6 CP. send like 2 garrote on same target and spread with CT after Rupture is up

[fresh kelp]

im not really an assa player but I looked at your tank's route and its very standard. skyreach is a low overall dungeon but your entire group is doing very low damage for even a 12

[full bear]

Appreciate this one

[full bear]

Probably not to the best of my ability

Tbh it was a bit of a weird vibe group lol

[fresh kelp]

there are 2 instances in the key you go 4 minutes without using dm

[buoyant herald]

i mean i can tell from those overall damage nuymbers it was a werid dungeon lol

[gilded oasis]

If you box, you DM

[full bear]

gotcha

Any preferences for DM targets or just whatever

[gilded oasis]

biggest health pool or prio target

IDEALLY one that won't die before DM is over but in lower keys thats just the world

[buoyant herald]

^ another major factor for assa in lower keys

[gilded oasis]

better to get half a DM than skip a whole DM usually

[fresh kelp]

in the log linked the prio mobs are living for like 40s

[gilded oasis]

unless the boss is like next pull then you could hold for boss. Idk sometimes you have to feel it out on the pull. Obviously if its going to die 8 seconds after used and boss is the next pull you can hold

[buoyant herald]

nothing like starting your set up on a prio target only to find everyone else targeted that as well and it's on 50% by the time you're ready to hit KB

[full bear]

Sadge

[gilded oasis]

sometimes I look for 2nd prio since I know everyone will be on the big fucker

lol

depends on who/what you are playing with

[worn geyser]

tbh in 12s i always run the funny little SD build for the pad

[buoyant herald]

sometimes i literally select a smaller mob i KNOW won't be targeted haha

[full bear]

So essentially use DM on cooldown with box

[worn geyser]

and kb

[full bear]

Doesn't matter if it's a smaller target where DM will run out

[fresh kelp]

i would be of more assistance but i am a pure outlaw/sub player 💀 if you can catch whispyr or someone he is usually down to help people with logs

[gilded oasis]

I will also desync DM & KB depending on the pull if I know its overkill I keep KB for next pack. Some people dont like doing that

[full bear]

I appreciate all the help you give homie

[gilded oasis]

but you can usually send KB with DM

[full bear]

Like I'm not picky on the feedback I get and I assume most of you got a baseline of rogue knowledge to give some valid pointers

[worn geyser]

stuff gets weird in low keys tho, like youll box, dm and oop the prio target is already half hp so its like kinda troll to send kb

[gilded oasis]

yeah

thats why I said I desync sometimes you blink at me

meet me by the monkeybars after school

[worn geyser]

i send anyway cause idgaf in my weekly 12s

[full bear]

I will admit, I'm not a big pusher anyways

[worn geyser]

cds stay on cooldown

[full bear]

I get my AOTC, my 3000 rating, and then just log off

[gilded oasis]

don't forget to get 3.4 this season.. or something

whatever it is

[worn geyser]

you might find the SD build kinda fun, to me its the most fun build in 12s

[full bear]

can you shoot me a link?

[worn geyser]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmlZmNDGAAAAAYWGsNDAAAAAottZmZmZmxYmZmZbYmZYGzMzMzMmxYAMwCMjRjZBktBsZsBYmZwA <-- is the code , its in the wow head guide: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#mythic-build-weekly-keys)`](https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#mythic-build-weekly-keys

[full bear]

AAAAAAA

Thanks buddy

[worn geyser]

np

[cosmic robin]

Does anyone have the log from zerocool mdi assa run?

[cold niche]

how i could to improve my parses as assa as get better minMax?

always use my cd on cd? sometimes i only use kingsbane and waiting for deathmark and puzzle.

[pliant remnant]

What information do you want people to glean from this screenshot

[normal mist]

do higher keys

[zinc frost]

Step 1 - don't worry about M+ parses

[cold niche]

i'm not sure about the parses, i guess if i got high parses so i did well my job as assa right?

higher parses = know ur class and know ur rotation?

[marsh fjord]

You also have low item level

[cold niche]

with that ilvl i may get parse 90 ir higher?

[marsh fjord]

No idea you send a screenshot i'm not a future teller i can't see what your doing from a screenshot.

But lower item level does not help right

[cold niche]

oh mb i believed that will be help for something about it

[marsh fjord]

if you need help you can send your warcraft logs link and people can take a look.

[royal lantern]

m+ parses are borderline worthless

cus you cant really parse dungeon runs AND most people dont upload the runs

(they dont because its kinda pointless)

[cold niche]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zV4kaTYFcqJHpmDQ?fight=9&type=damage-done

[cold niche]

What matters about the parses and log's?

i mean

if i want to mixMax my class or used something to say: hey i am good dps, lest go to push.

[random gazelle]

The reason people care about raid parses and don't care about m+ parses is because m+ runs are totally inconsistent. There are too many variables. Some tanks do fuckhuge mdi pulls, some tanks pull 1 pack at a time, which means:

1. You can't easily compare runs.

2. dps performance is more on the tank's skill than their own

[spice rose]

is there some1 i can link a log to review and shittalk me? i feel like i am giga biga bad altho playin 20s / 21s xD

[latent kernel]

If youre trying to push keys btw not dying and being sentient is enough to get to like 17s

Past that dps starts to matter a bit more

[cold niche]

ok i got it, thank you.

[buoyant herald]

absolutely unhinged levels of humblebragging

[spice rose]

nah bro i am dogwater, my assa logs are just bad and i am pretty sure i do lots of dumb stuff

[buoyant herald]

i think you overestimate the ability of the average player

20/21 keys are what, 1% range if not approaching title atm?

you're literally in the top ~0.5% ish

[spice rose]

im in 0,1%

[buoyant herald]

yeah

but hey there's always room for improvement so kudos

i just don't know how many people are going to qualified to give you advice 😂

[spice rose]

i mean theres probably lots of people good in theroy but just not in acutal gamering or whatever xD

[buoyant herald]

true

there's definitely a few theorisers in here who can probably help but mostly NA so asleep perhaps?

[low silo]

so like, how do we not die when adds are spawning and tricks is on cd

amount of times ive just been doing my rotation, adds spawn and i immediately get meleed cause poison bomb/fok

[quasi osprey]

Position yourself better / evasion

[low silo]

im too spoiled from outlaw perma trix

[royal lantern]

like any other spec in the game: wait for 0,5 seconds for the tank to use a single ability

[low silo]

but dps meter 🙁

[royal lantern]

bro, play a real class if you care about that

like warlock or dk

[low silo]

valid

[mild wren]

Hey @spice rose I just started playing assas and just got all my 12s done, but my damage is lacking. What is your rotation and how do u track when all adds have bleeds

[low silo]

imo sin is kinda shit below +15

everything dies before you get your bleeds spread and ramp

[spice rose]

my dmg is lacking aswell bro dont worry, assa is dogwater anyways in key where shit just dies

[low silo]

you get 5 seconds of your kingsbane and the demo lock kills the big mob

[spice rose]

idk i have a plater which shows the bleeds above the mobs HP bar, and i just press crimson tempest until everything bleeds, spend combopoints on envenom (on the same target preferably cause of ur caustic splatter)

[mild wren]

Alright I'll just gotta keep practicing ty

[royal lantern]

i did a spire 18

that shit still happens there

[low silo]

shut down the discord

[royal lantern]

first pull in spire?

yeha gl, the big guys are dead halfway trought Deathmark cus the Demolock was drolling on his keyboard

[mighty rapids]

Play with guys who do tank damage assass pumps then

[supple monolith]

how you guys sim for m+ 5 targets 5 min or?

[latent kernel]

Try running with a ret paladin or arms warrior

When their execution sentence hits for 40% of the targets hp

[fallow canopy]

Dungeonslice

[solemn sandal]

what talents you guys use on big keys? currently doing 18-19 keys

[latent kernel]

Sudden demise, negotiable contract, and deathstalker

[royal lantern]

dslice

[royal lantern]

wowhead build

you dont really have many flexible points

[low silo]

people actually play deathstalker?

[balmy condor]

I assume he's trolling

[latent kernel]

Yes people play it

(It’s horrible)

[balmy condor]

who is playing it

[frosty cedar]

frontshotbot

[balmy condor]

okay yeah this is very impressive nvm

[fallow canopy]

Sometimes you just want that DS high cortisol gaming

[worn geyser]

that 1 guy oozing vestige gaming my goat

[balmy condor]

bro half of these are sale keys

[worn geyser]

bros are in their delve build for the weekly +12 carry

[balmy condor]

I am

very confused

[latent kernel]

No one notable lmfao

R/wow community there’s gotta be someone running it

[calm grail]

I'm late to the party, what are we looking at?

[balmy condor]

deathstalker keys

[calm grail]

Oh. Those exist?

[balmy condor]

I mean

[latent kernel]

Why did they not take negotiable contract

[balmy condor]

in the most literal sense of the word

[calm grail]

Oooof

[balmy condor]

cause this log is from before the patch

[calm grail]

You know. I just kind of hate Deathstalker. There's nothing fun or redeeming about it.

[balmy condor]

yeah but when you're getting carried in a +13

does that really matter

[calm grail]

These all feel passive really. At least Trickster gives you perma tricks.

[latent kernel]

You’re about 2 expansions late for this to be an original thought

[calm grail]

Should be uh

Baseline

[calm grail]

Wasn't trying to be original. Just musing.

[worn geyser]

yoo only +resil 16s needed as deathstalker for rank 1 deathstalker on warcraftlogs!!

[calm grail]

Whispyr. Where are the mythic charms hiding?

I need one real bad.

[low silo]

ngl i kinda fw deathstalker

but perma trix

[balmy condor]

there's an undercity tribute that can drop it, or you go farm mephisto with his fuckass keys

[latent kernel]

It’s funny how wherever they put the top mythic plus achievement, that key level becomes the sticking point in the season

[low silo]

im too dogshit to like use tricks appropriately

[calm grail]

Deathstalker would be cool if it buffed you. But that's a small brain non-theory crafted take where I'm not seeing the downsides to that.

These boys?

[latent kernel]

You just macro it to tank and pop it before the pull…

[low silo]

but like

passive perma trix

[balmy condor]

no, it's a mythic tribute, giga rare

[calm grail]

Ooof

[worn geyser]

can u combine up to it like the armaments one

[balmy condor]

yeh

that is the tech

[calm grail]

How to farm tributes though

[worn geyser]

w i still need 1 of those mephisto hates me

[latent kernel]

Did they find a dupe for this season yet?

[balmy condor]

they just drop

[balmy condor]

I'm sure they have

[latent kernel]

The market still seems relatively not fucked

[balmy condor]

I mean

you have to be fucked in the head to interact with the economy in d4

[latent kernel]

I thoroughly enjoy interacting with it actually lmao

[balmy condor]

yeah, case in point

[latent kernel]

I love throwing out an insane lowball on a 4ga BIS item on the Diablo discord

[worn geyser]

insane this is where i find out theres a market in the game

[latent kernel]

Diablo 4 lowkey way more fun to be a goblin on than wow

[calm grail]

Mephisto keeps pegging me. Guess my build sucks.

[worn geyser]

think ssf is more fun even in poe, kinda dont make sense in diablo with the amount of loot diff

[balmy condor]

he has a lot of one shots

kinda skill issue

build also probably sucks

but like you can't just face tank him

[latent kernel]

I hate that they went the dark soul direction with Diablo 4 bosses, Lilith the perfect example you basically just have to outscale it, not rlly an interesting fight

I guess it’s not really the outscaling it’s more so the fact that there’s mandated phases

And feels very weird to just one shot, have to do a dance, then one shot the phase again

[marsh fjord]

Imagine going to mephisto on t10 and a mechanic comes out and you just get one shotted anyway. yeah i rather just play poe

and if you tell me thats skill

then i will schedule a doctor appointment for you

[royal lantern]

"lets do a vault 10 key"

the unholy dk that thinks "unholy has 40yards range on most abilitys" means "unholy is a range dps" and literally NEVER GOES INTO MELEE:

[royal lantern]

i mean

you just described every single PoE endgame bossfight aswell

[marsh fjord]

sir

you have not played poe then

Every end boss in poe has certain mechanics that you need to do to avoid getting one shotted

Diablo 4 is like: oke you gotta dodge this small ass swirlie

or you die

[zinc frost]

Sounds like a mechanic to avoid to getting one shot though

[marsh fjord]

As example maven has a memory game

[marsh fjord]

Problem with mechanics like that is your screen is filled with clutter

and you dont see shit

[royal lantern]

so

PoE

??????????????

[marsh fjord]

Tryan i suggest you take some reading lessons

[royal lantern]

bro, poe is literally THE "get 1hit killed by a projectile that came outside of your screen" game man

[marsh fjord]

That sounds like a defensive problem.

[balmy condor]

that ain't true yeah

[marsh fjord]

not a actually mechanic issue

You only get one shotted by stuff in poe if your defensives arent okay. in diablo 4 i can have every piece of gear 4 greater affix 100% BIS and still get one shotted if i dont dodge

Like i did a t130 and i'm completely cracked out of my mind, and there is a explosion puddle i dont see because of clutter

and it just instantly one shots me from full health

Git gud i geuss

[thorn thorn]

Is poe goodge

[fallow canopy]

Don't do it

you'll lose your life

[marsh fjord]

yes

best arpg ever made

you just need a few years

of your life to understand everything

[royal lantern]

allright but unironically

who tf thought 20000 years ago to call those games arpg

[thorn thorn]

My experience is diablo 3

And a small amount of d4 and LE

[marsh fjord]

you wont know what will overcome you

[fallow canopy]

poe is great its just kinda overwhelming for new players

[marsh fjord]

if you would ever touch poe1

[marsh fjord]

yeah sadly this is the case

if you really want to go into poe i would just start with poe2 the league starts at the end of the month

[thorn thorn]

What ever happened to that crashout from forbidden trove

Does anyone have the lore

[royal lantern]

whats forbidden trove

ootl there

[fallow canopy]

it was discord server for trading

the owner or w/e had a giga crashout since he got banned

[royal lantern]

oh

[fallow canopy]

i don't really know the full lore of the crashout but that's like the tldr

[latent kernel]

Diablo 3 is peak in terms of arcade-ness

[fallow canopy]

and that the community in general didn't really like the guy

[marsh fjord]

Do you remember when wudjio got banned in d3

or was it d2

[warped moon]

john arpg

but idk i think d1 did it

[severe meadow]

Involved money I think

I watched the crash out happen, was pretty nuts

[severe meadow]

Play PoE2 since the tree is fairly dogshit compared to poe1 tree

Just slam points anywhere

[buoyant herald]

he got a bit high on his own supply

power mad

got banned

pulled a ret pally on the disc server

crashed out harder when people celebrated rather than backed him

was quite the spectacle really

[thorn thorn]

i see

i will add poe to my list of games to play

Right now d4 since whispyr said was goodge

[severe meadow]

PoE is really, really good if you can invest the time to learn it

I have over 2k hours and still don't know everything, not even close xd

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

I'm personally not a huge fan of PoE2 in its current state, but I know they revealed some stuff about the next league that I haven't watched yet

[severe meadow]

The game just has crazy build potentials

[fallow canopy]

next league has potential

[severe meadow]

Yeah, I saw Alkaizers video was over an hour on it

I was like ?

Said end game changed a bit

[fallow canopy]

end game changed a lot I just feel like it didn't change in a particularly better direction

[severe meadow]

Oh xd

[fallow canopy]

but honestly I'd have to play it to see

[severe meadow]

I didn't really like the tower change they did with the tablets

It was a good change but it still didn't feel fun for me

[fallow canopy]

the facts that towers are still a thing

its one of the reasons for my comment

[severe meadow]

I think they really want to keep the tower thing

[fallow canopy]

like they showed some talents in the atlas tree

interacting with towers reveal range and stuff

and its like

fuck

why are towers like a thing to invest into yk

the huntress ascendancy looks dope tho

[severe meadow]

Yeah I really need to watch it

I'm a flicker strike ape so I'll prob play Monk again

[fallow canopy]

same

acolyte of chayula flickermaxxing

[severe meadow]

Did you do flicker on PoE1?

[fallow canopy]

yea

but only on the can't remember the name

the meme gauntlet league

I'm more a cyclone guy on poe1

[severe meadow]

Cyclone with the uh

Earthshatter shit or whatever?

[fallow canopy]

yea groundslam of earthshaking

and shockwave

[severe meadow]

I had near a 2 mirror investment on a slayer with flicker during the merc league

Absolutely ridiculous

[fallow canopy]

cyclone slayer doesnt need much investment so I usually go with that since I don't have much time to game

[severe meadow]

I did cyclone as a league starter once and I actually had a ton of fun on it

I usually do slams

[marsh fjord]

I played since alpha of poe1 and in all those seasons i never touched flicker

my brain or my eyes

cant handle it man

[severe meadow]

When campaign had the difficulties

Cruel went crazy

Flicker isn’t that bad though, Theres plenty of builds that do screen wide explosion blinding shit

[marsh fjord]

yeah but in poe1 it follows even faster

then it does in poe2

poe2 is okayish

In poe2 i played 4 seasons of titan bonking is to much fun

[severe meadow]

I did a really high kinetic blast build and it was honestly worse than flicker

For my eyes

I say high, maybe a mirror invest

[fallow canopy]

I wanna try something new on 0.5 but idk what

[severe meadow]

I say that and just end up doing the same thing everytime

[marsh fjord]

You should try the new amazon or the new monk ascendency they look pretty cool

i'm probaly doing something with owl on the new huntress ascendency

with lighting spear

[fallow canopy]

the holy spear thing they showed looked sick but kinda slow

I'll maybe do the raven rf thing to try out since it seems chill

[severe meadow]

Righteous fire?

[fallow canopy]

sort of

its minion rf

[severe meadow]

I was about to say, I didn't know PoE2 had rf

[fallow canopy]

but its raven themed

[severe meadow]

Minion rf seems kinda cool tho

[fallow canopy]

so instead of a circle of fire its a circle of ravens

surrounding you

[severe meadow]

RF looked really boring in PoE1 so I never tried it

[fallow canopy]

its the same logic as rf from what they showed

[jaunty bluff]

Kinda messing around with sin rogue for a bit, how important is the min max of impla

[balmy condor]

~1%

[jaunty bluff]

Oh wow ok. Then im doing just fine

[marsh fjord]

how longer you are closer to a elite enemy or normal kills the circle keeps growing it grows quite big. and it scales of minion damage actually

[junior olive]

switching over from sub and im at 700 haste ..should i aim for that in assas? I also have alot of mastery...and im looking to do M+ only..should i switch my crafted gear to crit/haste?

[balmy condor]

for m+ you should drop that haste for mastery most likely

but that's a question for dungeonslice

we don't have breakpoints

[junior olive]

ok should i add each crafted piece manually to see the difference in stats?

or is there a better way to do it?

[balmy condor]

there's a little + icon on your crafted gear that you can use to recraft stats

[junior olive]

damn thats actually nice..ty

[balmy condor]

you can sim flasks on top of that

[potent oracle]

how often do u guys get invited to keys 14 and above

[balmy condor]

my guild invites me to 14's all the time

[vale shore]

just out of the blue? cold call open channel drafted? Never

[potent oracle]

i meant like when u applied to pug xd

[vale shore]

oh

also never

[balmy condor]

depends entirely on your ilvl and io score I guess

[vale shore]

but I run them with my guild all the time

[balmy condor]

if you're 3400 you probably get invited more

[potent oracle]

was just wondering if rogues were being treated bad this t ier thats all

[vale shore]

I am at 3008, I kinda want to keep it there because it sort of spells "boob"

[balmy condor]

any spec that isn't in the 4ish "meta" dps specs suffers

that's just how pugs work

you list any key, you get a billion dps applying

so the natural thing to do is pick the meta specs

[vale shore]

invite the first 3 augmentation evokers that list

[balmy condor]

like why would you invite a dev evoker

when you could invite an aug

or a fury warrior when you could invite an unholy dk

[vale shore]

or any dps spec when you can grab three ret pallys

[balmy condor]

it doesn't really matter how good or bad a spec is, if you're not a meta spec, you're just not getting an invite

and if you ARE a meta spec, you're still competing with all the other meta players

[potent oracle]

pain

[balmy condor]

so like if you're looking to do 14's as an augvoker

and there's 4 augvokers

which are like +3 ilvl or +100 io on you

why would anyone invite you

such is life when you pug

this is the world you have chosen

[vale shore]

I count on such people being the secret prince of their spec and wowing us all with their above-weight-class performance

I usually go disappointed, but I live for the moments before the first pull

[marsh fjord]

This is why you gotta be 4000 IO so you get litteraly invited to anything 😄

[storm forum]

I never pug alone. Always duo queue with a buddy at worst. LFG is too demoralizing without it.

[marsh fjord]

I just do my key always if i do a key

its all resil anyway

[wintry trout]

Is assassin's st kinda weak?

[storm forum]

In keys or raid?

[wintry trout]

Keys

[storm forum]

I think we're medium+

Not frost mage, but we do better than most.

[oak ember]

Does doomblade stack the dot damage or does it refresh it?

[storm forum]

Also when we get to key levels where we get another set of CDs in execute we feel really good

(Like 18s ish)

Doomblade stacks the damage like fire mage ignite iirc

[marsh fjord]

I wonder if for patch 12.1 they will redesign some apex talents for some classes

[clear knoll]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[slim estuary]

how much do we need to track ancd play around letting envenom drop off for apex? If the answer is a lot - is there a CDM setting to show it?

[oak ember]

Why did they give the spec that is all about maintaining envenom uptime an apex talent that only procs when you drop it, insted of just giving us energy when re-applying it

[marsh fjord]

i dont know the reason but i do remember in the past there were itterations where if you would finish +5 on envenom we would gain energy

[oak ember]

If they just reworked it to give energy on extending envenom it would even fix us running out of energy in aoe scenarios with small mob count

[marsh fjord]

Yeah they won't do that because they dont want us to have infinite energy in aoe it was on purposely done.

[oak ember]

we already do on big mob counts

[marsh fjord]

Yeah but it isn't like it was before

[oak ember]

I do miss when mobs dying refilled the whole energy bar

[marsh fjord]

Yeah snapshotting the rupture was fun

[oak ember]

I wouldn't say fun, but it did make the spec flow better

[marsh fjord]

Well fun is subjective ( it was fun to me)

I liked the design

[balmy condor]

basically constantly, and yes you can track the stacks using the cdm, it's a buff

[slim estuary]

is it implacable?

[marsh fjord]

yes

[balmy condor]

yep

there's two

[slim estuary]

and you let it drop off on 4 or 5?

[balmy condor]

one for the stacks, one for the energy buff after

you hit 80 and then drop it

[slim estuary]

okay but I guess I dont need to track the energy buff?

[balmy condor]

correct

[slim estuary]

Lovely thank you guys

okay I seem to be tracking the energy part 😄

got it

[zealous moth]

got mythic dog AND trink

im happy ass bros

[balmy condor]

bro is winning

[quick kestrel]

hi so sorry i've never used a dual wielding class before, are we supposed to spend our first two crafts on duplicate daggers?

[balmy condor]

only mainhand

ability damage is calculated off of your mainhand ilvl

offhand ilvl doesn't contribute

so offhand daggers are generally the worst slot in the game

[quick kestrel]

gotcha gotcha thank you. i have a hero 3/6 so should i not upgrade it 6/6?

i have a lot of other 3/6 gear that i could bring up

[balmy condor]

your mainhand should be a myth crafted, your offhand you can leave at 3/6 hero for now

[quick kestrel]

gotcha thank you

[balmy condor]

once you get a real myth dagger from bonus rolls from like pit of saron

you then max that out

and move the crafted to your offhand

[quick kestrel]

does raidbots tell me which one to craft next? im not really familiar since i use qe live mostly

gotcha gotcha. that's wishful thinking :T

[balmy condor]

yeah you can use droptimizer for crafted gear

offhand daggers this expansion are better technically

because auto attack damage is pretty decent

but because it's a "dead" slot since you'd eventually wear a real dagger

it's usually not worth crafting even if it is a reasonable spark for your character

[quick kestrel]

right

i was thinking maybe once i got the myth dagger it would just save me all the mythic crests to get it up to 285

or i guess frontload it

[balmy condor]

you'd need both

it works like rings

[quick kestrel]

yeah, my logic was that if i got 2 285s then i'd only need 20 mythics to get my reroll dagger up to 289

since i have you here, i was wondering if i could also get ur thoughts

i will look at droptimizer but i think it'll tell me to craft the neck

but im planning on sending all my rerolls into pit, which drops both neck and ring. do you think i should just craft the ring with the right stats?

[balmy condor]

yeh

as a rogue you are living in pit of saron reroll prison

can craft the other ring, that's reasonable to me

but like, you're rerolling pit for ring, neck, dagger, everything else that it drops

[quick kestrel]

yeahhh thank you for confirming that

[plush oasis]

There could have been a much worse dungeon prison.

[thick sail]

How does the reroll system work? I don't think I've unlocked it yet

[normal mist]

Bonus roll

Quest in voidstorm

[thick sail]

Okay, I think i am 5/6 on that weird looking guy, I assume I need 6/6 to unlock it

[normal mist]

Yes

[thick sail]

Gotcha, thanks. Oof, looks like I'll have to try and do another +10 this week

The reroll happens when? When you open the vault for the week, or at the end of the dungeon if you get an item?

[normal mist]

When younfinish content

Imagine you do a +10 or above

Besides the loot you could get (hero)

Theres a window for a bonus roll

Which will award you a myth item from that dungeon

[thick sail]

Oh, very interesting, and good to know. Thank you for the explanation

[normal mist]

You can't get duplicates so in theory you can get your desired items eventually

Pit of saron has the best loot pool

Most items are critical haste

[thick sail]

Back to Saron it is! I have done it exactly one time this season, since I only do my own key

[normal mist]

Theres a neck, dagger, ring, wrists, belt, pants (mastery haste) and back (critical versatility)

Overall great dungeon to spam bonus rolls

You get 2 a week

We are at week... 3?

So you could buy all 6 bonus rolls in a go

[thick sail]

Oh wow, that's nice, I was assuming I was just way behind so that's nice it lets me catch up

[normal mist]

Yeah its amazing to catch up

[thick sail]

It seems you have Sudden Demise as your icon, is that viable in M+? I just talented into it but haven't gotten to test it.

[normal mist]

Imagine an alt getting carried by friends getting 6 myth items this week

Not counting all the traded hero items

In piss low content it does its work

But its not worth it no

[thick sail]

It seems in lower keys with lower HP it does crazy damage, but the higher hp enemies have, the worse it becomes

Which to me, seems like it needs a bit of a rework

[normal mist]

The bleed build is dead, the nerf was huge and wereforced to play kb too

To play sudden demise you sacrifice too much

[thick sail]

I love KB now that we only have to line it up with Deathmark and not Shiv, which was really annoying to keep track of since they had 3 different cds (compounded by the fact that our old spec gave us 2 Shivs)

But

Yeah, Sudden Demise seems like a terrible capstone now.

It's also incredibly dumb that the prerequisite to gain the 20% Rupture damage increase talent is... Amplifying Poison, which has absolutely nothing to do with Rupture or bleeds in general

[normal mist]

Yeah.......

Make it make sense

They destroyed the best m+ build ever created

[thick sail]

Amplifying Poison should not be a prerequisite for Avulsion

Yes. Crimson Tempest is a fucking disaster. It takes so long to spread the bleeds, it's absolutely ridiculous

Whoever designed that failed miserably

It needed to spread to at least 5 targets per use

Spreading to 2 for 60 energy is a joke

[normal mist]

Tbf you spread both garrote and rupture

And gain cps

[thick sail]

Right, but compare it to how Indiscriminate Carnage used to work

[plush oasis]

Indiscriminate carnage worked right up until you escaped your post-stealth window.

Which made it much more difficult to use consistently.

[balmy condor]

ct spreads bleeds nearly twice as fast with no required time window and it generates cp and does pretty good damage

seems good to me

[thick sail]

I think a very simple fix would be to make Crimson Tempest spread the bleeds to more enemies. It does not feel good to press multiple times when we have Fan of Knives but are forced to press CT four times before we can start using fan. Particularly when we have, what, 2 talents, a hero talent, and a tier set bonus, all of which buff Fan of Knives and none of which buff CT.

[normal mist]

Ct might be stronger than fok in some occasions

Iirc it is buffed by a lot of stuff xD

[upbeat shuttle]

Ct looks cooler also 😎

[quiet star]

Checked archon stats(high keys) for rogues, so outlaw is 5% above assa now?

[normal mist]

Idk what 5% means

[buoyant herald]

I think archon has like a dps listing

Not sure how it’s derived

[quiet star]

Dps listing based on spec

[buoyant herald]

Average from top x%ile logs I guess

[normal mist]

Outlaw only works well with physical comps btw

Assa works with anything

[quiet star]

And assa only works well in high keys, "only" doesn't make sense because everyone trying to play comps

[buoyant herald]

Yeah outlaw gets like 17% from the comp I believe

[thick sail]

That's not a fair comparison because you have to weigh not just new CT against old IC, but also spamming Envenom versus spamming old CT, which was an AOE bleed finisher that also did direct damage. So while we couldn't spread bleeds in combat, it didn't matter as much because we had the ability to instant apply an AOE bleed to 5 targets with instant damage attached

[buoyant herald]

Assass is fine in lower keys because you can still do more than enough dps even if other specs do more

[balmy condor]

old ct didn't do direct damage btw idk why that's the comparison

[normal mist]

You didn't spam CT

[quiet star]

What is description of fine? Key completion?

[balmy condor]

like if anything, the comparison is:

1. we lost a finisher -> more envenoms
2. the damage from the missing bleed went into rupture/gar
3. ???
4. profit

[buoyant herald]

Key completion, easily beat the monkeys you find in lower keys, yeah

[thick sail]

I'm not really arguing about Assassination's performance in numbers, I'm saying the rotation does not feel good in keys. It feels awful, clunky, half baked, shitty.

[balmy condor]

and thats fine, that's an opinion

[normal mist]

I honestly disagree even if I'm playing sub now

[balmy condor]

your argument of that opinion that you pinged me with is just incorrect though

[quiet star]

Average player who is pushing keys can up to some point on everything

[thick sail]

@balmy condor IC absolutely used to deal instant damage. You only needed 3 garrotes and a few ruptures to have essentially infinite energy. Now, I'll have 10 ruptures and Garrotes running and be energy starved. It feels like shit

Not an opinion, a fact

[buoyant herald]

Exactly?

[normal mist]

Ic never did instant dmg

[thick sail]

Err, CT did instant damage*

[buoyant herald]

I think a spec is fine if it performs well enough throughout the key range

[thick sail]

Sorry, brain aneurysm

[normal mist]

CT did insta in ...df? Shadowlaands?

[plush oasis]

"It feels like shit" is most certainly an opinion.

[buoyant herald]

It’s an opinion most will disagree with here but everyone’s entitled to theirs

[balmy condor]

when did CT do instant damage

what expansion or patch

remind me

[thick sail]

I would love to see an objective poll then. "9 out of 10 rogues agree, having no energy feels great" lol

[balmy condor]

cause it's my understanding that it didn't

[thick sail]

I can't remember, but it absolutely did direct damage

And for quite a while

[normal mist]

It was probably shadowlands or early df

[plush oasis]

The poll would be made of opinions?

I'm not saying you can't feel that way.

[buoyant herald]

I think it did in SL, was a small amount of damage plus the dot

And it was a problem then too

Because at some point it would end up being better to spam

[balmy condor]

okay well

[buoyant herald]

Maybe even BFA?

Idk it doesn’t matter

[thick sail]

It was sometimes better to spam it, yes.

[balmy condor]

okay now we're getting cooked

it was spammed by streamers in s2/s3 of dragonflight

because they played it wrong

and went ooga booga me spam CT cause aoe

s2 sorry

s3 was caustic

but spamming it was straight up just fucking wrong

[charred wind]

i don't mind being low on energy, it lets you do other mechanics without it being much of a DPS loss

[quiet star]

Well enough is an objective thing. 5% is not a small difference really.

[thick sail]

@balmy condor what are you using to quantify spamming CT as being wrong? 2 minutes ago you didn't even recall that it did direct damage

[buoyant herald]

Rip like the other half of specs that are below assass on that same metric then

[normal mist]

God forbid he remembers stuff from 3 years+ ago

[buoyant herald]

Outlaw is much harder to play, requires more from comp to perform that way, 5% between specs at the top end I think is fine because I think outlaw is currently being made to look a bit better than it is by some very very skilled players doing specific things

[thick sail]

I'm not a mod on this forum and I remember it, because I played it lol

[normal mist]

You don't need to be a mod to remember stuff

[thick sail]

Note: In older expansions or during specific balance patches (e.g., Shadowlands), spamming was sometimes the optimal play, but in current design, it is a management ability rather than a spam ability.

(AI, per Google)

[balmy condor]

2 min ago I asked you to show your proof of anything and didn't have the fucking patience to deal with it but sure fuck it, since you can't take a hint and want to do this dumb argument

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KZRC6PmWrHfjT91M?fight=89&type=damage-done&source=348&ability=121411&view=events

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DMK8cf2RL1ThvZbN?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=4&view=events&ability=121411

the first is dragonflight

the second is tww

find me a fucking instant damage on ct

or shut the fuck up

[thick sail]

Shadowlands is when it was spammed. Bud.

[buoyant herald]

I told you it was BfA

[balmy condor]

oh my god I actually cannot be fucked for this

[thick sail]

Don't curse at me. I'm being civil. Watch your tone dude

[balmy condor]

it's fine

I won't curse at you

[quiet star]

From my pov shitty rotation is tab-dot-tab-dot
CT is fine, it would be nice to have an option to spread faster for some keys ofc. But this spec have longer rumpup.

[balmy condor]

cause I'm leaving

this conversation ain't worth it

[spring stream]

good morning

[balmy condor]

it feels bad to you, and that's your opinion and that's fine

got it

[normal mist]

Hello rick

[buoyant herald]

Make first CT after DM spread dots to everything

[quiet star]

That's how meta works, yes

[buoyant herald]

Now were just arguing over if “not meta = not fine” which I don’t think we’ll come to a conclusion on lol

[quiet star]

Sorry, what exactly needed from comp to perform

Monk, sham, war, dru is top tier specs with all needed utility

With dru tank can be even stronger

This comp have huge amount of cc as well

Which makes the game easier actually

[buoyant herald]

From all the buffs adding up I think it’s worth something like 17 or 18% more damage

Is outlaw putting out more damage than a surv hunter there? Idk

[quiet star]

And? It's a passive buffs that buff whole party. Rogues doesn't have dps buff so they are designed(or should be) to accumulate other buffs for self dps, like locks.

[buoyant herald]

That’s a fire take

Kinda true right now but

My spec brings nothing so I should gain tonnes from everyone else is an interesting design choice

I don’t think that’s on purpose

[thick sail]

That's how rogues were in vanilla

Zero group utility and #1 dps (until Naxx gear made warriors unbelievable damage dealers)

[normal mist]

Comparing anything to vanilla is a take

[buoyant herald]

I think this goes back to what I originally said about outlaw wanting a bit of an * next to its placing but like. Idk. You don’t need to agree

[thick sail]

Vanilla, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse, got a lot of things right

[buoyant herald]

I think if people see that and switch to outlaw en masse they’re gonna have a bad time

[thick sail]

I do think there's a point to be made that if rogues are no longer #1 dps, it certainly begs the question why we provide no group utility over other dps classes.

[buoyant herald]

That’s a pretty standard opinion around the entire player base I think

I mean we have atrophic so not nothing

[thick sail]

Our most unique group utility is Shroud of Concealment, which is pretty much never useful

(It has been useful historically but it isn't currently)

[quiet star]

But if your spec brings nothing and dps less than other specs with buffs it make 0 sense to exist as dps

[buoyant herald]

But if it’s not a throughput buff it’s usually underappreciated though

Delete the spec I suppose

What’s your opinion on something like dev evoker then

Bad buff

Great situational utility

But nothing unique

[plush oasis]

I think it's shit that all other true dps classes have either a brez or lust. Rogue is the odd one out.

[buoyant herald]

Rogue is definitely left in the dark

[quiet star]

It's not even my option, it's how normally comp works

[buoyant herald]

Now that they design raid encounters for grips

And buffed hunters buff to be insane

Am I misunderstanding then, you just seem to be saying that if things aren’t meta or meta adjacent then they have no purpose?

Or that specs aren’t ok unless meta?

[normal mist]

A reminder we HAD smoke bomb as an pve CD

They took it from us

[plush oasis]

Don't remind me

[buoyant herald]

There been like 4 concurrent convos in here and I’m getting lost lol

Yeah bring back smoke bomb

[plush oasis]

Smoke bomb in pve would add another mass grip alternative too.

[buoyant herald]

NOT LIKE THAT

[cunning needle]

a reminder we also had a crit raid buff and they took that away from us

im 80% sure we also had a movespeed raid buff and they took that away from us (monks still have it)

[buoyant herald]

Honor Among Thieves needs to make a return

[thick sail]

@normal mist this would be an excellent and unique cd to have back in pve. Problem being, it's too hard to balance

[normal mist]

It isnt

It's like darkness

[thick sail]

Maybe just make it so bomb makes mobs miss or have a chance to miss

[plain hawk]

Rogue should give some extra critchance for the group.

[cunning needle]

damn imagine having a unique CD that could be used to reposition mobs and force them to come to a certain location

that does sound really hard to balance

[buoyant herald]

we have mastery and vers, we don't have crit or haste

makes sense to give DKs haste and rogues crit or crit damage, seems thematic

[plush oasis]

Isn't that just darkness?

[buoyant herald]

(thats the joke)

[thick sail]

@plush oasis yes

The problem with bomb, ultimately, is that very good players, as I understand it, were using it to break raid and dungeon mechanics in ways that could seriously trivialize content

I wasn't playing wow when it was in pve so I didn't witness it

But I could imagine it

[cunning needle]

damn imagine having a way to snap mobs to a position using a unique ability that only a certain class has. good thing blizzard has removed all of those unique abilities

[normal mist]

I love dks

[cunning needle]

this time im malding about augs

[thick sail]

I'm not necessarily saying it's good that they removed it lol

Not at all

[normal mist]

Gorefiend grasp got Thanos snapped right?

[cunning needle]

blood still has it

[buoyant herald]

grabby hands is what got nuked

[normal mist]

A shame really

[cunning needle]

don't mind me. i'm just spreading the misinformation that the current team of wow devs/designers all played vanilla wow and were ganked by rogues non stop.

that's why they have made it their design philosophy to make sure all possible unique rogue abilitites have 0 actual game function so they don't have to see rogues ever in their groups

[normal mist]

I loved having dks on my group

[thick sail]

I think I've complained a lot, but I'd like to say something to compliment Blizzard. I think making high end gear attainable through just +10 dungeons was really smart. I think when high ilev gear gets walled behind content that's too hard for 98% of players, all that does is make people frustrated and they stop playing the xpac early

[normal mist]

High end gear from 10s has been a thing since df

[cunning needle]

I don't. The game needs some level of gate keeping on gear.

[thick sail]

@cunning needle I actually think there's truth to this. People really, really hate rogues because of the first several expansions and how toxic we could be in pvp

[thick sail]

You needed +15s for the highest gear previously

And I'll tell you, my wife wasn't good enough to time +15s, but now we can do +10s and it just really feels nice to be able to play with my wife and have her feel like she's "getting the good gear"

Trust me, it makes a difference to people

[normal mist]

15 in shadowlands

20 early df

Then remade to 10

[thick sail]

^

[normal mist]

20 was the same difficulty if not easier than the remade 10

[thick sail]

There's a critical difference though: playerbase stratification.

When +10 is the highest, it's much easier to fill your key

+20, there are a lot more keys spread across that range and thus dungeons are harder to fill

Because the players are all looking for different dungeon numbers

[buoyant herald]

when it was 20s there were almost zero people doing anything under 10 but yeah

thats one of the stated reasons they did the squish

[thick sail]

It was a brilliant change on their part

Dead serious

[buoyant herald]

no i agree

[thick sail]

Queue times are far better

[buoyant herald]

i think people were doing like +37s in late bfa

[thick sail]

Jesus lol

[buoyant herald]

well, junkyards anyway

with triple outlaw comp 😉

[cunning needle]

This is going to be an extremely boomer take, but this season is the peak example of the participation award bullshit that was memed about for the last 15 years finally coming to fruition.

This seasons week 1 m+ completion for 10s was way too fucking high if bob smith with 2 jobs and 3 kids can complete it w1, then now they start flooding 12s and 14s when they shouldn't have been able to do the content that early

like before 10s were seen as the "goal" by the end of the first month

for the general population

[thick sail]

That is sorta the opposite of boomer, because the boomer wow players usually aren't very good players

[cunning needle]

this season it was basically done week 1

[buoyant herald]

it was done day 1

[cunning needle]

yeah

[buoyant herald]

this season is "too easy" for sure compared to other seasons

i don't know how much i care about the outcomes of that though

[cunning needle]

it devalues the level of accomplishment

which i think is a negative

[thick sail]

But. Again, I think it's good for the overall health of the game, because when the game is too hard and too stressful, people don't want to play

[buoyant herald]

other than that i get annoyed when i do my weeklies when i come up against players that have no right to be in what i consider keys that high

but thats a personal thing

not like they don't get timed

[cunning needle]

yeah exactly this is my problem

[buoyant herald]

its valid

[thick sail]

I almost had a mental breakdown hitting 2400 in pvp, and after I got it, now I do not participate in that anymore. It is just too hard, too stressful to be fun

[buoyant herald]

but if im doing weeklies for vault and they're getting timed, i can get mad about some clown doing tank dps

but i still get the same rewards so

?

[thick sail]

People like a challenge, but once it gets beyond a certain level of hard, people don't want to do it

[cunning needle]

the general wow population has a really really dumb mindset

they think they need the absolute bis gear to do the bare minimum of content

[buoyant herald]

well

[cunning needle]

when really they just need to press the buttons in the right order (which isnt hard)

[buoyant herald]

we force it upon ourselves

i think its less "i need bis gear to do trivial content" and more "i need higher ilvl that the average to get invites"

[thick sail]

I think what you're missing is, the game conditions you from level 1 to see gear upgrades as your reason for playing. So for 80% of players, when the gear stops upgrading, they stop playing.

[cunning needle]

so we now have people ilvl 280 doing the same damage as my random 260 alt i geared up in the week

[thick sail]

Just a fact

[buoyant herald]

this is being generous lol

[cunning needle]

i've played with some really really bad pugs

[buoyant herald]

yeah its definitely worse than its ever been

[cunning needle]

that normally wouldnt have that ilvl at this point

but now its oversatured

[buoyant herald]

especially with the novelty and popularity of devourer

[cunning needle]

so the chances of getting some shit random dps with good ilvl

is much higher

[buoyant herald]

yeah taking someone with 280 ilvl is definitely not a safe bet

[thick sail]

But also, because the content is easier, having a subpar player is probably still fine

[buoyant herald]

i'd choose io over ilvl with how non existant dps checks are

but even then you can brute force io

more easily than ever

[thick sail]

Which again I think is not a negative for the game's health

[buoyant herald]

well yeah thats why im on the fence

personally it can be annoying

but with a wider view bigger playerbase is good so

it is what it is

[cunning needle]

like granted im on uhdk which is absolutely fucking busted but im 267 ilvl (with shit passive trinkets) and 0 enchants/gems

but like ????

[thick sail]

I recently invited a team pair of orange-level IO players with ilev 20 above me and my wife and they legitimately did not have any idea what they were doing. We didn't time the dungeon but we did beat it, so whatever

[buoyant herald]

yeah this doesn't surprise me at all

i just did a Seat earlier and the demo lock did 90k dps overall

at 282

[thick sail]

To be fair though, and what I was complaining about earlier, sin rogue just feels bad in M+

[buoyant herald]

that's a poor sin rogue though

[thick sail]

When I do my AOE rotation absolutely perfectly, I might tie my wife's ret AOE

And she is legit casually listening to Spotify barely trying at all

[buoyant herald]

ret doesn't require much trying

i don't think assa does either to be fair

assass just needs ~20 seconds to do proper damage whereas ret is front loaded

[thick sail]

It's not so much that the sin AOE rotation is hard, it's more that it requires so much ramp up before it starts doing damage that it's very hard to keep up with classes that just spit out the dmg

[buoyant herald]

yeah

[thick sail]

Which again, is why my point was that our ramp time in aoe needs to be decreased

The bleeds need to spread faster

[buoyant herald]

theres always the option to play sub

[thick sail]

Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[buoyant herald]

if that's whats important

no no i don't disagree

[thick sail]

I am 42 years old, I don't know if I have it in me to relearn sub again

[buoyant herald]

bro at this stage you need to UNlearn sub

it's literally like 5 buttons including cds

[cunning needle]

i think having ramp is fine but i also think that

Uhdk - press this button and spread ALL OF YOUR DOT TO EVERY SINGLE MOB
vs
assi rogue - press this button and spread your dot to 2 mobs

is a bit unfair

[buoyant herald]

i said it before but

[thick sail]

Yes. It's truly awful

[buoyant herald]

if we had a mini cd to instant-spread all bleeds or empower CT somehow

that would be sick

maybe too good

[thick sail]

Is sub really that easy? The last time I played it, it was so unbelievably hard

[cunning needle]

yes

[buoyant herald]

sub got brutalised

by the pruning

like i cannot stress enough

it's probably the easiest dps class in the game

[cunning needle]

okay

its not BM hunter

or ret paladin

[buoyant herald]

i haven't played new BM

[thick sail]

I like the assassination buttons though 😞

[buoyant herald]

but new sub feels less involved than old bm

that's my point of reference lol

[thick sail]

Maybe I will try sin, because I always wanted to try Trickster

Err sub

[buoyant herald]

perma tricks is goated

[cunning needle]

i argue that rotationally sub really hasn't changed that much

[thick sail]

Sorry, brain aneurysm

[buoyant herald]

rotationally no not really but there was some nuance around the CDR and planning

[cunning needle]

i know blah blah you used to have to press rupture and symbols etc

but it was always relatively 2 button after you do your launch sequence

[thick sail]

Does sub still have good single target?

[cunning needle]

honestly even the CDR was overblown

[buoyant herald]

nope

[cunning needle]

people pressed buttons at the same time anyway

[buoyant herald]

freshly buffed outlaw has decent ST but sub and sin are meh unless there's a damage amp

in which case sub is huge

none of the 3 specs are really strong on bosses generally

not like the meta specs are

[thick sail]

I see

Oh good, they got rid of symbols of death

What a bullshit button that was

[cunning needle]

got merged into sdance

[buoyant herald]

yeah it got rolled into dance

[thick sail]

They took away rupture?????

[buoyant herald]

yeah

[cunning needle]

yeah

[buoyant herald]

see what i mean

[thick sail]

What the hell

[buoyant herald]

and get this

dance lasts longer depending on your haste, and sectec has a hasted cd

so now there's a hard haste cap

COOL HUH

[thick sail]

What does Fazed do?

[buoyant herald]

target takes more dam, does less dam to you

[cunning needle]

fazed is the new find weakness

[buoyant herald]

some other such

[cunning needle]

it's so great they made find weakness now on the player

but then added fazed on the mob anyway

fuck blizzard

[thick sail]

D:

[buoyant herald]

im a sub hater ngl

can't do it

you'll find the enjoyers in that channel obviously

[thick sail]

I really enjoy sin, it just feels so awful in M+ currently imo

[plush oasis]

To me, peak sub was legion m+. Haven't managed to convince myself to like it since then.

[thick sail]

Single target it's great, the AOE is dickballs

Especially compared to how good it used to feel

[buoyant herald]

i cannot express enough how much better i think current sin is than TWW

so we'll agree to disagree

[plush oasis]

ngl on big pulls I like my damage as sin. Meta specs have a higher ceiling of course.

[thick sail]

Holy heck, they buffed dwarf Stoneform at some point

[buoyant herald]

yeah dwarf is an easy pick for race imo

im human because aesthetics but my shaman is dorf

[thick sail]

I like my human. I'm very proud I hit 2400 as human in pvp, I was legit one of only two people at or above that ranking

Completely useless racial

[buoyant herald]

did you see zeross in MDI this morning? 316k overall in WRS (with aug)

DK was a bit higher but still

[plush oasis]

I did! Such a shame what happened with that forfeit and the immediate spec ban afterwards.

[buoyant herald]

i saw they lost but i didn't see what happened!

[plush oasis]

From what I understand, there was an issue with one of their players I think with a spec ban on the third round. They didn't have a replacement ready.

[buoyant herald]

ok thats pretty bad prep then

like they literally didn't have a dude to play?

thats crazy work

[plush oasis]

Yeah it was kinda wild. Seemed like there might have been drama happening in the background.

[buoyant herald]

"yeah ok i'll play MDI but i'm NOT playing anything other than x or y"

[plush oasis]

But anyway seeing sin in the MDI was nice at least.

[buoyant herald]

wasn't shindig playing sin in that same match?

[plush oasis]

Outlaw

Which was also banned for second round lol

[buoyant herald]

ah, anyway yeah was stoked to see 2 rogues going at it

feels like rogue is the skeleton underwater meme most of the time so nice to see it being showcased in a positive way

[thick sail]

Is Secret Technique baseline now?

[buoyant herald]

yeah

[thick sail]

Interesting!

[buoyant herald]

subs great for open world stuff i'll give it that

just can't stand the boredom in raid

[thorn thorn]

@spice spire

[little condor]

Whats the objectively best specc for m+?

[golden loom]

augmentation evoker

[little condor]

rogue I mean sorry

[buoyant herald]

oh dude it's so bad, ross and evoker died from falling thru floor on last boss

[lofty elm]

which buff do u guys take in aa

[buoyant herald]

crit

[buoyant herald]

tank pulled boss mid rescue and bridge despawned so they fell

[quiet star]

That's from yesterday or something new? Can't check yet.

But yesterday I was shocked to see bdk with priest in nexus

[quiet star]

It's outlaw based on numbers

But the difference is not that big

[buoyant herald]

yeah

so they first had that to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

then they got spec banned out of ability to play the 3rd match

[quiet star]

Do we know bans?

Because I thought that zerocool is kinda onetrick, but not sure

Still, wipe on bridge was terrible

[lime lantern]

How big is monk phys dmg amplifier for assa?

[grim jay]

like 2.2ish on st

[buoyant herald]

you can check, but apparently fauni was a last minute replacement

so looks like both fauni preferred ele and outlaw (last available rogue spec) kinda fucked them

[verbal sable]

i did not understand what zac mean by not able to play MDI cos he is one trick, cook is gone showed it perfectly what does it mean 😄

[balmy condor]

well assa is banned ain't it

[verbal sable]

they had banned ele and cook is gone playd it anyway, so match was forfeit anyway

[analog hedge]

im probably tweaking but just wanna ask, has anyone here ever failed their rupture cast, and there is a "parry" text appeared when u press rupture?

it doesnt cost ur point, but the cast just failed, and u have to repress it

[humble verge]

yes

[analog hedge]

oh so it is a thing?

[humble verge]

idk if its now anymore

i havent played assa since midnight dropped

[spice surge]

Raid bosses can parry when you are attacking them from the front

Which is exactly what you are describing, there's a 3% chance of it happening

(some dungeon bosses are bugged and can parry too, like last boss nexus point)

[runic hinge]

bugged or future raid boss?

[spice surge]

Yes

[runic hinge]

true true

[true tusk]

good morning mates, i have a question, a member of my guild gave me a macro for performing a kick, but it's extremely long that's normal?

[blazing totem]

it will send the content of your bank account to them if you use it

but it will kick

[true tusk]

according to what my guildmate said, "it was leaked" and it's the one used by M+ pro players, but i don't quite believe it

[balmy condor]

"it was leaked"

[analog field]

It can be a mousovrr or target last target or something

but if you don't need it don't use it 😂

[balmy condor]

and it's probably just some cooked like mouseover/focus mark+click + target last target

just pure over-engineered shit

[analog field]

shhh don't leak the secret sauce

[molten flicker]

how come I cant import the talent builds from the faq in game? am I missing something?

[analog field]

(most of the times even in midnight tab interrupt works perfectly)

[true tusk]

I honestly burst out laughing, and said, well, I'll ask on the rogues server, since I have several players there who can really teach me things, and they'll tell me if it's true...

[blazing totem]

well, macros can be quite lengthy if they involve a lot of alt modifiers and additional tags

you can put a lot of stuff in macros but for practical use likely not needed

[true tusk]

@balmy condor Can I show it to you and you can explain if it actually works or if it's worth it?

[balmy condor]

hm

[balmy condor]

yeh sure

[true tusk]

#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Kick
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast Kick
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack

[balmy condor]

[blazing totem]

[true tusk]

no make sense, right?

[blazing totem]

dont let bro cook again

[molten flicker]

oh maybe its because I am not max level and it needs to place every point to match the import actually

[true tusk]

[mortal crag]

Huhhhh

[runic hinge]

that is pretty cooked

[true tusk]

yo, that's why im skeptical xd

[balmy condor]

yeah so in order:

1. kick your focus
2. literally what
3. untarget your target
4. target your target
5. kick your target
6. target your focus
7. un-focus your focus
8. pointless /startattack command from 2009

[blazing totem]

just by looking at it I am pretty sure you can do the same thing with just focus kick macro

[mortal crag]

What are you attacking at the end there

I don’t

[molten flicker]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,exists] Kick; [@focus,exists,harm] Kick; Kick
this is a kick macro that prios the mouseover target first (if you have one), then the focus target (if you have one), then the current target (if you have one)

[balmy condor]

yeah that does it but just to be sure I'm gonna just overwrite all the talents with new imports

[true tusk]

That's more or less what I understood; there were some lines that I found unnecessary or even superfluous, not to mention that there are better versions

[blazing totem]

you can do the same thing with 1 or 2 lines

[balmy condor]

so as far as I'm aware, your macro could be replaced with

/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] [] Kick

and uh

I don't think there's anything else

I mean I guess it fucks with your focus target and your targetted thing a bunch

[mortal crag]

its secret leaked tech

u wouldnt understand

[plush umbra]

isn't that the macro from azortharion?

[balmy condor]

yeah now that I think about it

[plush umbra]

I swear I've seen it before somewhere

[balmy condor]

that looks like the raszageth kick macro

I'm getting flashbacks

hold on

[blazing totem]

for whatever reason he clears focus at the end there so if you add that, it's basically the same

[balmy condor]

I can dig it out of my guild disc

[blazing totem]

if we want 1:1

[balmy condor]

/tar boss1
/targetenemy
/focus
/tar player
/tar focus
/tar boss1
/targetlasttarget
/cast [harm,nodead] Kick
/tar boss1```

I mean

it's close

it doesn't do even remotely the same thing

[plush umbra]

it used the fact that tab targetting prioritised casting mobs or something no?

[idle pawn]

quick question. Since iam SP main and want to check into melee dps, assa rouge seems like ramp up dps aswell with the 1min&2min cd´s or is this spec still constant dmg? Want less ramp up, more consistent for m+ as alt. Thx

[balmy condor]

it used the fact that /targetenemy auto-targets something that isn't ras I think or something like that

and the only other thing to kick would be the spark

[true tusk]

then works or not? xd because this guildmate its filling other people's heads with crap

[balmy condor]

the 1min burst is basically non-existant, we're just kinda ramp for ~10s and 2min cd

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm sure it works, it's just 80% useless crap

[plush umbra]

yeah but that's the raszageth macro, I think Azortharion also had a macro for "kick your maintarget, unless something nearby is casting as well"

[balmy condor]

like it's a 2 line kick macro with 8 other lines of some nonsense

[plush umbra]

or rather

kick anything in range that is casting

[balmy condor]

yeh idk

[blazing tulip]

I had a similar macro to what he showed before, hes missing the mods to add and clear focus

[balmy condor]

it looks insane

I don't really get it

it doesn't seem great

[true tusk]

what mods

[plush umbra]

it's not that it won't kick things, so it works in that sense?

but also, why make it so overengineered?

[blazing tulip]

Using ctrl or shift to set and clear focus focus from what I remember

[analog hedge]

aah ok so im not tweaking, and yes it happen during m+ tyranus (saron last boss)

[blazing totem]

for the purpose of kicking it will work but there are lines that just cancel each other out so it feels pointless but maybe he has this designed for extra specific fight where this is useful

[balmy condor]

given the description of "he's saying it's leaked from mdi pro key runner secret technology"

I'm gonna assume he has not designed this for anything

and has no fucking clue what it does

[true tusk]

I don't even use macros; I just click and bind to interrupt. But since we're on the topic, what macro for Mythic+ would you recommend for interrupting? I'd like to interrupt adjacent abilities without having to change my target (focus priority)

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean I just use a [@focus], basically just the one from this message I'm replying to