tomorrow i’ll be able to get dagger from pit, got 2 more pieces left in the loot table, since I used all 5 of my bonus rolls and still haven’t won it lol… then transition to assa, can’t wait!!!
#assassination
sick sail
solar wyvern
U could argue devour over dk but then brez dilemma
Idk its kinda cringe to be assa in this meta
I wish sub was better
Sub would be the sauce
In phys comp rn
sick sail
been playing sub the entire season, yea I still would like to stick to it too but assa seems more consistent
I just hate that the talents change every reset
spice surge
Every reset = twice now because they did patches 
brittle quail
you know what i hate every reset
addon/ui breaking every reset
that shit suck
stop it already and revert the addon change
spice surge
Yeah gotta stop using addons that just use workarounds
spice surge
Same
balmy condor
same
solar wyvern
Platy, bcdm, msuf gg ez
spice surge
Stuff like interrupt trackers and defensive trackers keep getting bricked
balmy condor
platy, ..........
spice surge
So i dont see the point in even bothering
brittle quail
bro dont tell me your addon doesnt break
when i get lua error from blizzard base ui
everything is broken
brittle quail
cdm still make rtb vanish sometimes
balmy condor
when i get lua error from blizzard base ui
that doesn't mean the base ui is actually breaking btw
brittle quail
stop sucking blizzard all the time
balmy condor
like there's infinite bugs with bag addons, and their errors are all blizz ui
because it's a reskin
brittle quail
the addon debacle is terrible
solar wyvern
I am 100% not an apologist for blizz
solar wyvern
I just work with what i got and what i got works idk
spice surge
the addon debacle is terrible
Literally everybody agrees with you on this point, but our addons are literally not breaking
brittle quail
danders msuf acdm
mighty solstice
Guys should I aim for hero gaze with rolls or try to get myth weap/neck from pit?
solar wyvern
Hmmm msuf hasnt had any issues for me outside of silly bugs, but mapkos pretty ontop of it
I default UI frames 
I hear lots about acdm being wonky tho
brittle quail
Hmmm msuf hasnt had any issues for me outside of silly bugs, but mapkos pretty o...
ho no i dont mean to say the people making addon are not on top of it
balmy condor
Guys should I aim for hero gaze with rolls or try to get myth weap/neck from pit...
get the myth stuff first, rolling for hero items is utter despair
brittle quail
but its still breaks every other reset because blizzard decided they needed to change font or whatever
solar wyvern
Omg the font thing haha
lyric sierra
how is that acceptable ?
for a very simple reason: we idiots pay them anyway.
solar wyvern
And its much much better
brittle quail
i miss wa
my ui was much simpler didnt have 46 addon for all the different fluff
everysetting was at the same place
lyric sierra
i miss WA for 1 simple reason: it made „ding“ when i had 5 CPs
brittle quail
now its a mess
supple monolith
is our exute phase at 30 or 20%
brittle quail
Lemme dm him for a screenshot
lemme see
balmy condor
is our exute phase at 30 or 20%
35% hp
solar wyvern
You will not be able to decypher it
balmy condor
latent kernel
In m+ sometimes if I go on the prio mob and there’s like a ret paladin or someone else also hitting the prio mob it dies before I get full value out of my cds
Is the play here to just accept the cds not ticking full or just going on different mob
This is in like 16-17 range
old halo
25 min dung = 25 kingsbane right
storm forum
thats the maximum amount, but not realistic to get them all
old halo
i forget all the time or like save for boss fight coming up
storm forum
yeah it's good to get into the habit of just sending
flat kindle
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
storm forum
when you know the routes better, then you can decide if you should save CDs more than like 10 seconds
old halo
high key bosses take like 90 years so mine as well
idle socket
balmy condor
you don't
storm forum
when it procs off of blindside
balmy condor
it auto swaps your mutilate
cunning needle
youre not my dad. you can't stop me
i don't do it on higher keys, just lower ones for funsies
static glacier
me living my life without all the addons
some of us don't want to be happy
pallid cape
should i be spreading bleeds before DM and KB on the prio target on big pulls ?
spice surge
Yesnt
If you know for sure 100% that the mob will live through your Deathmark then yes
pallid cape
read the opener on wowhead
opener says to spread after
spice surge
If not then send asap
gray raven
opener says to spread after
if the pack is gonna live through DM then getting a couple spread first is good for scent stacks
pallid cape
do you overcap just to spread asap or still spend with envenom
spice surge
do you overcap just to spread asap or still spend with envenom
still spend
dusty skiff
can you macro puzzlebox and a potion?
lime edge
anyone know of a way to modify damage numbers
faint mural
can you macro puzzlebox and a potion?
Just macro potion with DM
faint mural
🔥🔥🔥
velvet mantle
so as assa do i always use CT to build?
velvet mantle
yea i assumed so after all bleeds were spread but heard the opposite somewhere also and wasnt sure
storm forum
now that OL and sub are getting buffed are we cooked? should i craft a sword?
visual sun
Whispyr riling up outluls is a buff to mankind
sour oasis
Whyspir do a post in us forum
Please
spice surge
Assa is already really solid
cunning needle
why can't the other rogue specs just be happy for each other when they get buffed
worn geyser
guys when does the weekly dooming start
cunning needle
guys when does the weekly dooming start
week rolled over 2 days ago so you're a bit late
worn geyser
fuck cant believe i missed it
cunning needle
unless you go by wow reset, if so then start in about 2 hours
balmy condor
Whispyr riling up outluls is a buff to mankind
professional ragebaiter in chief
fallow canopy
no refunds on pitchforks
vapid gorge
So i have hit 3300 io but im feeling hard capped on dps in that 120-140k overall. Anyone have tips to bust through that ceiling?
balmy condor
devourer can do more than that
vapid gorge
lol true
gray raven
So i have hit 3300 io but im feeling hard capped on dps in that 120-140k overall...
it depends a ton on pull size and comp - things really pop off with big pulls and the right buffs
faint mural
Honestly assa > dev and demo.
light quarry
So i have hit 3300 io but im feeling hard capped on dps in that 120-140k overall...
Even the best assa can have a shit overall if ur team is bad
faint mural
So i have hit 3300 io but im feeling hard capped on dps in that 120-140k overall...
Overall highly depends on your tank pulls and how long those boss fights last for.
vapid gorge
well that makes me feel a little more competent at least lol
seeing some of these 20+ keys with 200k overall made me feel like I was missing something
visual sun
Comp also matters they might have an aug and u dont maybe
gray raven
stuff lives a lot longer in execute as well
vapid gorge
The latest I saw was Nstab at 217k overall running with another assa rogue and a demo
+20 MC
solar wyvern
stop teasing
thoughts?
brittle quail
qnd ow did e ,qke thqt in current wow
brittle quail
i respect the hassle
but i need explanation
wont try to deciper it
you beat me
jaunty sky
Find an addon that supports the framework for it idk
He seems to be using arcui and cdmgroups
No idea what magic he put into the addons but at least part of that is possible with those two
brittle quail
thanks
i legit think its not so bad an idea
to make an ui like that
or at least some element of it
jaunty sky
i legit think its not so bad an idea
If you can read it as a glance yeah
Like i should get some custom CDM groups set up
For CC and movement abilities
tight ginkgo
Kyrasis on that John Nash shit. Smokin' that Whoopi Goldberg, south Egyptian, Furburger deluxe, Mega Millions scratcher, skunk, Bubba kush.
coral ibex
tight ginkgo
blowin the Lord's bubbles
brittle quail
If you can read it as a glance yeah
yeah exactly was thinking about some procs i keep forgetting for 1gcd where i shouldnt it might not be a bad idea
brittle quail
we gotta complain more
thats what ive been saying as outlaw
finally worked
still nerfed
just ok now
it did work !
mortal crag
Complain till we get a raid buff
brittle quail
you mean one people care about ?
brittle quail
atm atropic still count
legit te worst raid buff in te game
but its in the categorie
mortal crag
Feels like it doesn’t effect 70% of the stuff that kills you
drifting cloud
your feels are wrong
storm forum
it affects almost everything on the council bosses at least
no idea if its still good later
balmy condor
there is not one meaningful thing it doesn't work on
mortal crag
Why’s it considered garbo then? Is 3% dr not enough?
brittle quail
because dmg good
mortal crag
That’s it?
brittle quail
defensive useless if you dont die without
drifting cloud
because it didnt work on more stuff in the past and if rogue isnt good then atro isnt good enough for rwf
and r500 guilds think they need to copy rwf
mortal crag
Fair enough
cunning needle
people care a lot less about DR
than offensive buffs
it's also a tuning thing
like paladins have the same thing
but it's a lot easier to slot in a paladin than it is a rogue
be it tank/heal
and fortunately their dps is also tuned rather well this tier
balmy condor
realisitically 3.6% just ain't doing shit
it's like 2x druid buff defensively but with no offensive
cunning needle
it's like... 1/3 of a healer or something?
in terms of hps
acutally dont qu ote me on that
i might just be bullshitting
okay more like 20% of a healer
static glacier
in terms of hps
Health is a resource, so long as you’re not dead it doesn’t matter
They couldn’t just make a poison that makes the enemy take more crits or something
Or that aura we had in wod, swift blades cunning?
drifting cloud
realisitically 3.6% just ain't doing shit
what about when guilds 6 heal paladins instead of bringing in a rogue, thoughts
marble hemlock
wouldnt you rather have like 3 or 4 heal paladins and then a preservation evoker and disc priest on top? why stack 6 of them?
drifting cloud
wouldnt you rather have like 3 or 4 heal paladins and then a preservation evoker...
versed mica
Is the bug fix for deathmark energy even doing anything? I don't even notice a difference lmao
balmy condor
it is doing something
slim pebble
Is the bug fix for deathmark energy even doing anything? I don't even notice a d...
Don’t think it’s out to tomorrow
I thought
coral ibex
what bug
balmy condor
exactly
slim pebble
but it's like a 0.1% difference
Surely I can time my weekly +9 now
balmy condor
deathmark wasn't giving full enerrgy
but it's such piss shit energy
that like
who fucking cares
balmy condor
yes
slim pebble
i dont even know what that means bro
Not a real pisser. Sad
balmy condor
deathmark gives 80 energy
very impactful energy regen
except it was only giving like
50
so now you're getting like an extra 1/5th of a mutilate per minute
drifting cloud
is that alot
faint mural
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Without the Apex talent there is no reason to pool, once midnight drops this will update with whatever logic is found
visual sun
the fact that the bug wasnt even noticed by most people tells alot
versed mica
who fucking cares
I bet that one guy from a few weeks back who claimed sin's funnel damage was worse and energy Gen was worse cares 
hasty vale
Yo anyone have a talent build for running 12s? Should I be swapping to Sudden demise at that low level?
Found it ignore me
proven carbon
i just ran sudden demise in a 14
balmy condor
Found it ignore me
done 
proven carbon
i just ran sudden demise in a 14
sudden demise is fine 14 and under
prob could argue even 15 but
balmy condor
yeh it's just cheese
proven carbon
maybe want some prio
i just run it for vault keys because i want to see big number
and i hate when my target dies in my deathmark
so i just run SD
balmy condor
ye
proven carbon
i'm still baffled by the dragon sudden demise parse i saw earlier this week
balmy condor
surely adding 3 gorillion pissrot zero hp adds to a fight
will not get cheesed for parses
in any way
proven carbon
coral ibex
man i dont even want to prog this boss rn its just gonna fall over after the nerfs tm and we're not killing it tn
shadow realm
proven carbon
gotta love 20 adds per fight
balmy condor
we love bird
balmy condor
I'm just fucking afk
coral ibex
im so BORED playing sub man this spec is a whole 6 pack of ass
proven carbon
bring back shadowdust flagellation from DF
trust
you want to not be bored
there you go
fresh kelp
outlaw boss finally
yessir
fresh kelp
FOR BOSS DAM...
all 3 just do boss damage
u aint helping crystals on the yellow class
nop!
fresh kelp
even if you play sub and try to line things up they just explode to ddh/mm
storm forum
18s are the key level where things dont die instantly with an aug
so bleed build with aug up through 17s
humble cradle
adamantite sharpening stone still good?
balmy condor
yes
faint mural
Tbh id love to see sepsis come back
fallow canopy
me omw to be the first public sin log on lura
snow kindle
I wish we public 
ashen scroll
I wish we public <:saj:1170031168373137418>
What was ur boss dmg 👀 i wanna swap sin
snow kindle
What was ur boss dmg 👀 i wanna swap sin
178k
ashen scroll
👀
snow kindle
its way better if you only need ST imo
skipping that last mechnic in P3 is insanely valuable
Sub/law do similar tho not that far off
drifting cloud
but you get buffed
snow kindle
Its not the craziest transition the 2m lines up well
the only noticble diff for me was survivability
ashen scroll
ig the dance dr is kinda solid
drifting cloud
you gotta offset the nerf from your purple and red friends
celest ruin
oh neat, sudden demise now works in the open world 
proven carbon
i think im just going to become full boss damage player since this class has been disappointing the whole xpac
now the real question
sin or sub
i'm currently on Mpaladins and i've seen alleria has a damage amp
might just go sin so i dont feel like i need to recraft with sub going back to the old build
burnt ember
Does anyone have any insight as to why sub gets buffed 7%, outlaw 9%, but 'sin gets nothing?
How does that make any sense?
burnt ember
OH BECAUSE OF THE CLOUD COVER CHANGES
Sometimes I need rescued from my own lack of reading comprehension lmao
lucid walrus
Is rogue insanely squishy in skyreach or am I just bad? Especially the 2nd boss when soaking lazers?
tawny rapids
Is rogue insanely squishy in skyreach or am I just bad? Especially the 2nd boss ...
are you running elusiveness ?
lucid walrus
Naur
thick fulcrum
is it possible to macro mutilate and ambush with blindside?
golden loom
is it possible to macro mutilate and ambush with blindside?
u physically cant cast mutilate when blindside is up
even if u write /cast mutilate it will ambush
thick fulcrum
oh ty
rugged basalt
gm.,
I’m 3 off resil 14 this week while I struggle to stay awake at work now
I used my own key for once 
keen raven
Does nelf in combat give the empowered garrote?
reef flower
Where's the petition to remove feint energy cost guys?
Or do we have to kidnap some random blizzard dev
balmy condor
Does nelf in combat give the empowered garrote?
only if you nelf -> stealth -> then garrote
keen raven
only if you nelf -> stealth -> then garrote
havent been nelf in awhile hows that interaction in a pack work?
balmy condor
inconsistently
keen raven
f
balmy condor
meld is probably the jankiest fucking button on earth
if you like even get tickled by something or there's like something that moves into an imaginary aggro boundary sometimes or you get targetted by a cast while melding
it just fizzles and you get nothing
there's so many awkward tiny things that could cause it to fizzle
but there's some absolute freaks out there that play it anyway to chase an extra 0.3% on imp gar
the world we live in I guess idk
fervent relic
On mythic paladins, do we give full dots, if one boss is getting pulled out for his ultimate cast?
balmy condor
depends how close you are to pandemic I guess
but yeah if it's like 15 or whatever you can refresh it, that's fine
keen raven
if you like even get tickled by something or there's like something that moves i...
yea im just wondering if im doing it to meld off a cast/mechanic if it gives empower garrote
or if we're chaining into another pack
but it sounds like its buggy/janky and doesnt guarantee it
plush isle
@balmy condor When are you writing a forum post for some buffs ?
balmy condor
never
plush isle
😉
tropic zodiac
To be fair with the buffs to outlaw/sub isnt asa slightly behind now?
The latest patch is still a nerf for Outlaw in ST, even with the change from +5% to +9% it remains at -1%/-2% (from what I understood)
keen raven
The latest patch is still a nerf for Outlaw in ST, even with the change from +5%...
and for sub theyre gaining
and sub/outlaw is beating asa by a decent margin in st now tho no?
keen raven
yea im not saying miles
but its a couple %
so i wouldnt be shocked if they did buff asa
From how theyve been balancing rogue this tier it feels like theyre tryna make each rogue spec identical
analog hedge
chat, is the resilient key warband?
keen raven
no
balmy condor
depends, but yeh it can
analog hedge
no banger gif/pic today kingsbane?
thorn thorn
cunning needle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/91325418677743616/1500250566117556396/lul...
thorn thorn
That was u?
analog hedge
😭 😭 😭 😭
cunning needle
yeah honestly i dunno how i did that
analog hedge
you can see he moves left then readjust the cam
subtle tundra
penis
runic hinge
analog hedge
banger gif check
morning coffee check
time to work
thorn thorn
banger gif check
morning coffee check
time to work
Now have a terrible one
I bedge now
jolly stirrup
I know one of those Icons
analog hedge
💀💀💀💀💀
trim cairn
Is there any particular reason why the time penalty for deaths is included in overall dps calculation? Doesn't really make sense
Real fucking annoying when you are blasting but you have a mouth breather warlock dying 14 times during a key
radiant aspen
rugged basalt
just don’t release bro </3
subtle tundra
whats vro talking about
wide halo
I have a doubt, I am using the simple priority posted in the faq and the advice on several guides and I have simmed myself for patchwerk 5 bosses over 2 minutes, according to sim I should be doing 130k and my main damage source should be caustic splatter but my main damage sources are garrote and rupture and im doing 70k on the 5 dummies in 2 minutes as well. Can I get a bit of advice please? My guess is that I am not using Kingsbane good, I normally start with garrote, fok for combo, rupture, crimson tempest, crimson tempest, envenom, deathmark, kingsbane, envenom, fok (1 or 2 depending on cp generation), envenom, fok... etc until i need to renew bleeds
subtle tundra
instead of writing a wall of text of a bunch of nothing
log the dummy fight
and give it to us
rugged basalt
Are you simming it with no raid buffs active? That would drastically change the damage sim. Moreover, yes. Log
You didn’t mention puzzle box in text(?)
wide halo
Ok I will do so as soon as I get home, I apologize. I did not log that attempt but I will log a new attempt.
I dont have puzzle box im low ilvl (258~)
balmy condor
also are you simming with raid buffs
like lans said
that could be a lot of missing damage
rugged basalt
Chances are you are within margin of error if you swear by the rotation as you claimed
I typed verbal diarrhoea but you get my point
balmy condor
I would be more impressed if you managed to actually be doing half your sim dps
wide halo
This is another sim I just did, no raidbuffs, no nothing.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Y3SN9Xs5tgPDZgef9XtH7
I will log my next attempt but yeah 70k to 130k is too much I must be doing some oopsies
well this one is a 5 minute my bad
balmy condor
poisons on? 
wide halo
Uhhh shit I guess so? Wouldnt it be funny if I forgot the poison? xD
balmy condor
like not trying to be rude, but the gap you're missing
cannot be explained by "oh you forgot kingsbane"
this is like
you aren't wearing a dagger
or forgot poisons
you'd have to biblically fuck something up rotationally to lose that much damage, which given how you explained it (and how simple the spec is)
is difficult to imagine
wide halo
yeah and the main thing is caustic splatter was like my 3rd source far below garrote and rupture because I do remember that, the attempt was like a day ago
wide halo
But on the sim it is always the main source by far, I will be checking it because my dumb ass maybe forgot one poison or the other and I really hope that was it lol
dim yacht
i have a niche question for sin in m+ if anybody might be able to help. when garrote falls off on a target, but rupture is outside of pandemic range for refreshing, do we start CTing to spread garrote still after putting new garrote up, or do we wait until we reapply rupture? or do we reapply rupture early after the garrote and then start CTing?
balmy condor
You can refresh rupture early, that’s fine
Not too big of a loss
Technically the correct thing to do would be to garrote, spread it, rupture in pandemic, spread it
But it’s a bit whack to do in a key
dim yacht
would that not depend on the size of pull? like on big pulls you have basically unlimited energy
but on smaller pulls you dont have the energy to CT spam that much
balmy condor
It’s not a meaningful difference in this case
On a small pull if you garrote and rupture separately you’re going to crimson tempest an extra what
2-3 times?
balmy condor
Big whatever
dim yacht
sounds like ive been doing mostly whats best then
my dps feels mostly dependant on sham/warrior buff at this point
anyway thanks for the info whispyr 👍
reef flower
Depends on the tank ++ imo
dim yacht
tanks are pretty consistent for me, im doing 19s
so theres not a lot of variance in pulls
balmy condor
in aoe that would triple the value of the talent
I mean unironically they basically just did that with cloud cover 2 weeks ago
and now we're seeing the fallout
primal parrot
precisely my point
balmy condor
lil deathstalker for 2 weeks before it gets nuked to shit again action
sharp viper
I mean unironically they basically just did that with cloud cover 2 weeks ago
Nobody could have predicted that
Strictly impossible
inner crypt
Do u think sin Will be better angle for egg than sub from tomorrow?
balmy condor
doubtful
verbal sable
Asaa is back next reset ?
balmy condor
not anymore than it was before
verbal sable
Sadge
sharp viper
you guys are acting as if in anything changes on sin
verbal sable
Sorry gotta check on this channel time to time
hoary remnant
Do u think sin Will be better angle for egg than sub from tomorrow?
boss go nerfed into oblivion
pretty sure in deep farm you just one phase egg it
just use like 2 healer
rugged basalt
People will go into the last week of the season asking if there are assa changes and if it’s worth playing
mossy blade
Is there any particular reason why the time penalty for deaths is included in ov...
all leaderboards use the time blizz considers to be the correct time
analog field
It seems weird for wclogs to count the death penalty timers
civic trellis
are tbc stones some tech im not aware of?
golden loom
are tbc stones some tech im not aware of?
yep they are very good cause its weapon damage (and the restriction to use them is items below lvl 300 or smthing cause they fucked up the squish)
spice surge
are tbc stones some tech im not aware of?
Yes theyre good
golden loom
its like 0,8% better right? atleast thats the only napkin math number I remember seeing
cobalt shuttle
deathstalker is better now?
iron thorn
how would it be?
like there's been no tuning for assa, so why would we suddenly swap to DS
cobalt shuttle
oh i havent checked this chat in so long, but i remember they buff some stuff a while ago so i thought i would ask, not a fan of fatebound
cobalt shuttle
ty i see
autumn sierra
spice surge
Yes for sub. Probably for outlaw but I havent checked
lime lantern
is adamantite sharpening stone the correct item?
golden loom
is adamantite sharpening stone the correct item?
yep
upbeat sail
do we use shiv on cd or only in kingsbane
spice surge
Never
upbeat sail
oh
spice surge
Unless you want to remove an enrage
upbeat sail
holy shit ive been pressing it basically on cd lmaooo
civic trellis
it no longer buffs nature dam so its useless for damage purposes
upbeat sail
it no longer buffs nature dam so its useless for damage purposes
ohhh yeah i thought it does that
cant read anymore
thanks fellas
young glen
When running a quick sim on raidbots single target, what would be a decent DPS result ?
normal mist
Not really a good metric to check your dps
You're not hitting a dummie for 5 minutes in real environment
young glen
hm true ^^
94k just seemed low
let alone that i could not get there on the training dummies in silvermoon =/
normal mist
Probably no raid buffs, potion, consumables, and your target not sying at the 5 min mark
last glade
i had fun playing with them
@fiery flower @fickle viper
latent kernel
I can’t wait until crest get uncapped so I can use my 200 leftover sparks to craft a MH. For outlaw
quiet star
what stats you guys have?(m+)
mine currently about 1100 crit, 500+ haste, 450 mastery
still doesn't have gaze and using prism
royal hazel
No fkn way. One post and outlaw gets buffed again.. meanwhile assa no tuning.
foggy delta
Maybe theyre cooking something for assa xD
royal hazel
what stats you guys have?(m+)
mine currently about 1100 crit, 500+ haste, 450 ma...
I juat focus prio secondary and ilvl upgrades crit haste
royal hazel
Maybe theyre cooking something for assa xD
The dream.
Btw did someone say its a dps gain to use sharpen stone on main hand now?
quiet star
No fkn way. One post and outlaw gets buffed again.. meanwhile assa no tuning.
like 0.5% class which is really not that easy to play
spice surge
No fkn way. One post and outlaw gets buffed again.. meanwhile assa no tuning.
Would you prefer the outlaw treatment of getting nerfed by 5% and then buffed by 4% which doesnt really compensate the nerf? 
quiet star
Would you prefer the outlaw treatment of getting nerfed by 5% and then buffed by...
I guess no one really cares about outlaw buff, the problem is why only outlaw
spice surge
Its not a buff
spice surge
Relative to today
quiet star
and now they compensate damage from overtuned talent
so it's not that straightforward
upbeat sail
they do outlaw tuning in such a weird way , they could announce 50% aura buff tommorow it would still being end up a nerf
spice surge
Outlaw was bad, it got an overtuned talent and it got good, so now they nerf the talent and outlaw a bit
quiet star
What
I mean with trickster rework outlaw gained some damage right?
with this damage gain it eventually become most performant rogue spec
spice surge
Again
Its not a damage gain
Its losing damage
Now
Relative to how it does today
quiet star
Its losing damage
how much?
spice surge
~2%
quiet star
in st?
spice surge
Yes
quiet star
and what about m+ scenario?
quiet star
ye let me check rly
so it sounds for m+ like minor change
so most likely in this content outlaw will stay dominant spec
trim oak
~4% lose in aoe
quiet star
~4% lose in aoe
where you get this info?
spice surge
read it again
quiet star
f sry wrong repost
quiet star
Zac posted the stuff
after night update
tame flame
For the 5 last bosses of the raid assa/sub are already dominating
quiet star
It is not dominant
and that's why top rogue performers switched to outlaw?
still I agree that it highly depends on comp
spice surge
and that's why top rogue performers switched to outlaw?
still I agree that it hi...
Yeah truly a mystery why the outlaw onetricks prefer to play outlaw
chrome plume
sin and sub not even bad
quiet star
Yeah truly a mystery why the outlaw onetricks prefer to play outlaw <:garf_sit:1...
I just say what I see after 12.0.5 really
spice surge
The top rogue (zac) was playing outlaw before .5
trim oak
after night update
Wut? They changed it again? I missed the news 👀
Last thing I saw was the pose on the forum
quiet star
Wut? They changed it again? I missed the news 👀
yes, this is common thing nowadays
quiet star
Last thing I saw was the pose on the forum
maybe result of it
mossy blade
It seems weird for wclogs to count the death penalty timers
again, those are the leaderboard times
theres no leaderboard that ignores death timers
agile trout
For an on and off wowplayer it seems to me that outlaw always has to be the best performing rogue spec in all content. Why is that? Does blizzard think its the best designed spec or is it played the most? I dont understand.
normal mist
Are you alright?
It shows that you're an on off wowplayer if thats the info you have
pure moth
sounds like a copy and paste from some place to spark arguments
agile trout
No i promise you i dont want to argue. But that is not the case then?
normal mist
No
And no it is not the case
Hasnt been for so long
Unless you only look at youtubers tierlists for 5mins patchewerk sims, theres no reason to even think that
rugged basalt
Did you skip tww
agile trout
Did you skip tww
I did yes. First expansion i skipped completely 😬
pseudo crow
Yo guys, silly question
How do yall know when every mob is affected by our bleeding? (Big pulls esp)
cinder mountain
before midnight there was weakaura writing 23/23 for example
I don’t think thats possible anymore
so now only plates
someone correct me if im wrong tho
latent kernel
Yo guys, silly question
How do yall know when every mob is affected by our blee...
Can track by your scent of blood stacks if running standard build you can track up to 10 mobs since each mob = 2 stacks
In algethar you kinda just only use CT since there’s so many
In pit, I usually just kinda guess
As soon as you max out your scent of blood stacks the more mobs being dotted becomes less and less consequential
pseudo crow
In algethar you kinda just only use CT since there’s so many
On that first algethar pull with all the vile lashes, is it better to just spam CT and overcap CP to get a good amount of mobs bleeding before starting to use Envenom? Or just CT until 5 CP > Envenom > Rinse and repeat? Thanks btw c:
latent kernel
On that first algethar pull with all the vile lashes, is it better to just spam ...
No always dump combo points should not be overcapping
latent kernel
is the bleed build scaling more with haste
Bleed build scales with agility, haste, mastery, and versatility
Confused by the question
spice surge
is the bleed build scaling more with haste
Yes
lavish hazel
i mean
spice surge
And less with crit since demise does not factor anything crit related into it
lavish hazel
in high keys situations is it possible to cook a haste build
but it might be cooked withouth singular focus right
single target will be meh surely
coral ibex
every day i wake up and people are talking about bleed build
spice surge
Probably not.
spice surge
but it might be cooked withouth singular focus right
Sudden demise doesnt proc singular either way 🙁
lavish hazel
every day i wake up and people are talking about bleed build
i dont come often here sorry to bother you guys
lavish hazel
Sudden demise doesnt proc singular either way 🙁
is the talent worth only for the 10% bleed
like
spice surge
The 10% bleed is a solid talent point yes
lavish hazel
in high keys do you really want demise i dont think so it kills the funnel
spice surge
But the second scent point is kinda meh
onyx veldt
nooj what are my chances of getting gaze in vault today
coral ibex
this season we finally have both good overall and good single target dam in m+ and people are constantly asking about playing a build that does less overall and less ST
lavish hazel
but like in pit i have 4 extra target during the whole boss and i cannot have the 20 stacks of scent of blood because i only have one point on the node
coral ibex
and im a bleed build andy ok
spice surge
but like in pit i have 4 extra target during the whole boss and i cannot have th...
Ye thats like the only situation where its really good. On most big pulls it doesnt do anything though
lavish hazel
in phys comp you are trying to pull funnel on boss but you cant get full stack of scent so
spice surge
But yeah losing 2x poisons is rough
coral ibex
i can see the vision, the numbers just dont support it
lavish hazel
dashing is losing value right ?
lavish hazel
i can see the vision, the numbers just dont support it
thats why i ask here
i dont have the knowledge to tc this
and taking amp poison withouth dtb feels a bit weirdo
spice surge
It blows that you need to take amp to get +rupture damage
latent kernel
I mean realistically as gear gets better bleed build gets better in higher and higher key levels but it’ll never be good in push keys in the current state
lavish hazel
It blows that you need to take amp to get +rupture damage
it doesnt make any sense that amp poison is here in the three
latent kernel
Atleast numerically
How bad is dropping 2 points of apex talent to pickup sudden demise in normal build
lavish hazel
i didnt even think about this
spice surge
How bad is dropping 2 points of apex talent to pickup sudden demise in normal bu...
Dropping 1 point can be argued for, the second point is just not it
10% bleed and poison too strong
lavish hazel
maybe in pit ill drop one apex for scent
ill cook for you guys
in the 20-21 prolly
latent kernel
I wonder if dropping 1 point from scoundrel and 1 point from apex to pickup demise would be worth it
spice surge
Scoundrel is a lot of your energy, so probably not
latent kernel
The issue is it feels like zoldyck recipes should really lead into sudden demise since they have synergy
It’s weird it goes into dashing
lavish hazel
i mean its better for us
otherwise it would be pain ful to get it for raid
no exec in raid might be cooked lmfao
coral ibex
nooj what are my chances of getting gaze in vault today
100
snow kindle
I feel like we are strong but weak
lavish hazel
maybe a cheeky 3-5% aura
lmfao give 5% aura buff to assa and its the better melee in key
in high keys
vivid elm
lmfao give 5% aura buff to assa and its the better melee in key
i don't see the problem
quiet star
maybe dumb question, but did anyone consider to use numbing poison? for 17th/18th for example?
in maisara or skyreach it sounds like it can be useful
spice surge
lmfao give 5% aura buff to assa and its the better melee in key
Arms is similar to that is it not? (unholy hardly classifies as melee)
lavish hazel
arms is if you cook the whole route for him and let him the whole funnel
thats why far is doing so much damage
on bosses zac in canceling aura his flurry
to let him the whole funnel
but if you do the same for assa with 5% aura buff
single target gonna be brrrrrrrrrrrrrr
snow kindle
Sin funnel is as strong or stronger than arms no?
lavish hazel
i dont have the numbers
i think arms have better funnel
on 4-5 targets
sin has better on 10
maybe not
lavish hazel
Sin funnel is as strong or stronger than arms no?
boss dmg on pit 20, war is doing more than me and withouth funnel i think he does like 60 while im doing 80
we can deduct that arms funnel is better than sin
cinder mountain
I hate when blizzard does changes, and whole dmg profile switches with it
arms with poor ST for example
wasnt arms like textboox example of it
storm forum
iirc arms war always mid on typical ST, but then shot ahead in 2-3 target cleave and execute
currently their execute is kind of weak but their cleave is still great
also blizz design philosophy has changed a bit. sometime in SL or DF, they started front loading difficulty in the end bosses, so execute doesn't matter as much cause every last phase has like one, maybe two tough overlaps and the rest of the phase is payphone, so execute feels like it doesn't matter as much
static glacier
As far as I know best execute atm is destro
livid lynx
Hello everyone, I need some help to improve my skill as an assa rogue.
I've already checked my log in M+ and I've noticed that, in general, my caustic spatter dmg is very low in comparison to other rogues.
Here an example :
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4JfZp7nyb6MA2z13?fight=18&type=damage-done&source=2870
How can I improve this ?
storm forum
honestly ur damage looks good for an 8
storm forum
spatter is our biggest source of uncapped AoE, so it's % increases as pulls get bigger
it makes sense that in lower keys it's around the same as rupture
cunning needle
you can improve this by doing higher keys so mobs live longer and tanks pull bigger
livid lynx
Ok, sometime I am frustrated to not have very huge dps (like my demono 😅 )
That's why I looked my log to improve my rogue
quiet star
Hello everyone, I need some help to improve my skill as an assa rogue.
I've alr...
on 8 key your damage is affected by your party members a lot, like guys with burst can destroy mobs faster than you spreading dots
livid lynx
So I can't do anything more to increase the dammge of caustic spatter. I just need more big pull with some adds with a better lifetime ? ^^
quiet star
dps comparison for lower keys doesn't have a lot of sense imho
storm forum
only we can look at your rotation a bit
on bosses you make a couple mistakes for your CDs
livid lynx
In general I finished my key with an overall dps around 100 to 120k in 10-11 keys . It seems quite low
solar wyvern
boss dmg on pit 20, war is doing more than me and withouth funnel i think he doe...
Arms is thanos is what it is bro
Even outlaw insane ST cannot compete
quiet star
So I can't do anything more to increase the dammge of caustic spatter. I just ne...
you always can, but even if you did everything right burst spec will outdamage you
hallow glade
how big is arms buffs actually in keys
solar wyvern
Nothing burger
hallow glade
a woya told me its a nothing burger
solar wyvern
U dont play slayer
hallow glade
ok
quiet star
and I guess for 8 key sudden demise is recommended, but correct me if I'm wrong
solar wyvern
Fury buffs are kinda lit tho
storm forum
ur good on the first boss, but you lost a few seconds of box buff on ur DM/KB cause you used it before vanish instead of before DM, and on the last boss you used KB before DM which is unfortunate as well
solar wyvern
Stattik happy boi
hallow glade
i just wish they would throw aug into the sun
solar wyvern
Im becoming more and more convinced
hallow glade
idk if arms is god or not if they do that
hallow glade
yeah i mean
solar wyvern
Aug and devour will not live higher keys im ngl
hallow glade
wait is mortal strike heal cut aoe any knowers
solar wyvern
No
hallow glade
rogue op
solar wyvern
Wound gaming bud
hallow glade
just rogue/havoc do aoe heal cut then?
hallow glade
i heard it was st
storm forum
and I guess for 8 key sudden demise is recommended, but correct me if I'm wrong
it all depends on your comp. if ur group is blasting def baby key SD build, but if ur low ilvl and ur fellow dps are doing healer damage, regular build works fine
hallow glade
god can they just
make util class based and not spec based
too much to keep track of
solar wyvern
Arms war better dstance and dbs smile
Ds 15% magic dr
Fatebound no defensives
XD
fallow canopy
Our fate is bound (to die)
storm forum
hmm, dungeons logs are tough
cause i dont know what the pack looks like after 30 seconds
idk if those extra CTs were bad, or if there was a chain pull
hallow glade
Ds 15% magic dr
yeah this being nerfed to 15% kinda shocked me when i saw it
that 5% was too powerful
solar wyvern
yeah this being nerfed to 15% kinda shocked me when i saw it
They were scared of DS 1800 haste sub rogue in keys surely
hallow glade
They were scared of DS 1800 haste sub rogue in keys surely
as they should be
im pulling up with alleria neck and lura ring
dark brew no secret build
solar wyvern
Alleria neck lura ring bifuricaton band omission of light
No shadowcraft
Storm
Powder
I genuinely wonder what threshhold it becomes okay to drop shadowcraft
hallow glade
i made a dk charrend
solar wyvern
U can be so saturated
hallow glade
the outlaw nerf sent me over the edge
hallow glade
lvl 80 to 261 in 2 days
storm forum
idk if those extra CTs were bad, or if there was a chain pull
also a lot of times when you do nothing for 5 globals, but like, maybe ur just forced from melee, or following tank in a chain pull and saving energy for CT once it's gathered better. like maybe it's fine, but maybe its bad and idk what to say
solar wyvern
Secret op bro
hallow glade
i think this gearing stuff is a little quick idk
spice surge
I genuinely wonder what threshhold it becomes okay to drop shadowcraft
Problem is you become insanely starved without it. its 180% more shadow techniques during dance
solar wyvern
lvl 80 to 261 in 2 days
Hey guys we need grips right can i bring my dk to lura? Neck reserve
hallow glade
i convinced gm to let me bring it on chimmy / imp
dawn seal
is assa rogue really good on beloren and lura ?
hallow glade
rat gaming
solar wyvern
Big
snow kindle
is assa rogue really good on beloren and lura ?
I absolutely blasted on Lura
solar wyvern
They had like 1 thing to improve on and its actionable so im very happi
snow kindle
Idk bout Belo but Lura sin felt way more impactful
storm forum
grats
hallow glade
i did belo as sin and got no crits
solar wyvern
Same
snow kindle
Do it in Lura you’ll be top
hallow glade
the 3x mutilate soup into 25% env crits
grave trail
They had like 1 thing to improve on and its actionable so im very happi
What was it if dont mind asking
snow kindle
I topped Lura and it wasn’t close
hallow glade
i think it will mog on lura
solar wyvern
Ye probs
hallow glade
a red name cannot have top damage
hallow glade
not when the thousands of ds subs start pulling it
snow kindle
I would love to see it
hallow glade
after they find out how much it cranks
fallow canopy
DS gamers rise (?
hallow glade
it was cranking and then it gets a free 7% buff thanks cloud cover
solar wyvern
What was it if dont mind asking
My movement learning was like 5-10ish pulls behind the other melee so when they got comfy with the fight i was making them uncomfy, reasonable complaint. Very minutia stuff
spice surge
I dont have the alleria neck so i fear i must waste crests to craft engineering haste boots
hallow glade
are you ds maxxing eleem
solar wyvern
I dont have the alleria neck so i fear i must waste crests to craft engineering ...
Engineering haste boots 8)
spice surge
We will see
grave trail
My movement learning was like 5-10ish pulls behind the other melee so when they ...
Very interesting, never heard a suggestion like that, was just wondering cause you seem like a great player, ty.
hallow glade
i will break the glass ceiling for all of my ds chuddies
solar wyvern
Not if i break it first
hallow glade
👺
solar wyvern
Should i just DS sub all night
solar wyvern
Chimmy reprog
hallow glade
xddd
hallow glade
youre gonna be so helpful on ds sub dont worry
the rank 1 boss damage is gonna be so free
solar wyvern
Snipe smallies
hallow glade
i keep forgetting we got a new button
hallow glade
have you tried it out yet
solar wyvern
Yeah 25 sec cd tho
Fuckers
Cant be too degen now
I think i will have to make it
hallow glade
only 10yd range
solar wyvern
A focus or mouseover
hallow glade
! just 20s cd
solar wyvern
Its really hard to quickly tab target mark swap tab back
Since tab target is crazy inconsistent now
So probably a focus mob at 5%, snipe
hallow glade
focus should be nice since you can set it and wait
solar wyvern
Yeee
hallow glade
kinda like rupture sniping just a lot easier
solar wyvern
My DH looking at me suspiciously crossing my daggers on each grounds keeper
Dw about it bro
snow kindle
Idk how huge sub will be today, but on Lura I'm still a sin believer.
hallow glade
what was your damage before p4
snow kindle
hallow glade
this was boss damage on a 3.8% p3 wipe
as ds
keep in mind akaari at the bottom
and you get 7% added to this
snow kindle
is that with or w/o adds
hallow glade
just boss damage
adds only add 4k dps LOL
although, i think i was sending twice in p3 here
snow kindle
how about in just P3?
snow kindle
Was this a reclear for u or prog
fresh kelp
youre gonna be so helpful on ds sub dont worry
its too late for me
snow kindle
I was not powerful enough
snow kindle
im confused how the DPS works though
does this mean u pushed faster than us or slower
hallow glade
we are full outlaw committed
hope you dont 2 roll infinity times in p4
fresh kelp
surely 
hallow glade
does this mean u pushed faster than us or slower
log shows reintegration but
we wiped before pushing
7:56/3.8%
another 4.0% p3 wipe, boss damage
very similar damage
snow kindle
How does it work when you do 30.34M = 207k DPS
But 31.24M = 201k DPS
What am I missin
I cant even imagine doing this fight at 280 ilvl
dawn seal
u do it slower
snow kindle
it actually hurts so bad lol
snow kindle
Did you run Elusiveness
snow kindle
yea that was the biggest differnce for me
in intermission sub felt cozy
as sin i had to practically send pots and all
dawn seal
is it troll to play assasination on lura
lavish hazel
Arms is thanos is what it is bro
yes it is
dawn seal
._.
hallow glade
i was low key padding and ran silent storm for momentum procs
but i couldve ran eph bond too
i just didnt feel in danger at all
hallow glade
i think now its fine but it was an issue immediately after the 12.0.5 because of the mm changes
snow kindle
yeah
if i was in your shoes no weay could sin be playable
we didnt have enoguh AOE
hallow glade
so i swapped off ds for outlaw which wouldve done similar boss damage if i didnt 2 roll every p4 😭
gritty merlin
Hello, anyone know any add on that calling "dot" or something like that when dot are almost falling off ?
fresh kelp
we didnt have enoguh AOE
our mt is on ppal and he is legit 3rd add damage every set
its just another ddh
crazy stuff
crude helm
We have an enhance shaman
snow kindle
they do big dam to adds
golden loom
been saying it since launch
fresh kelp
our dh says that it is, just harder to carry seed
hallow glade
pre nerf mm ho lee
golden loom
havoc believers rise up