assassination

[marsh fjord]

Only thing cool about death stalker is dry shiv

[balmy condor]

ah yes, the classic deathstalker mini game of "press shiv at 6cp if you have darkest night, when in cleave and st"

my favorite

[marsh fjord]

Hahahahaha 😂😂

Look at my comment above yours

[balmy condor]

it's not even a dry shiv

it's just for the fucking cheap cp

it's so insanely cringe

[low silo]

It's nostalgia tho

[normal mist]

Bring back stepsis gaming

[ebon steppe]

This is assassination

❤️

[balmy condor]

you know you're in assassination channel

when we're advocating for bringing things back

that were bitched and moaned and complained about every day for months if not years like a fucking plague spreading its brainworms to every user in the discord server

[analog field]

bring back restealthing

[balmy condor]

so true

[analog field]

2 charges of vanish it was the best feeling

but I was here every day complaining about tanks

[balmy condor]

while you talk about bringing back stealth effects and deathstalker

lemme just

[analog field]

no

kill me

not you

you won't escape this reality so easily

[spice surge]

Exsang

[normal mist]

Bring back sepsis as a AoE CD, instead of ST and it applies nature* dmg taken to all targets, which would be perfect for a DM sepsis kb scenario

[subtle tundra]

EXSANGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

BRING BACK EXSANG

AND SBS WITH LEGENDARY EFFECT

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[balmy condor]

we bring back exsang, sub and outlaw have haste breakpoints, assa gets back snapshotting

I wake up

it's 2008 again

time to go to school

life is good

[normal mist]

Linkin park in the back

[analog field]

outlaw in the great 2008 ?

are you a time traveller?

[balmy condor]

buddy if I was a time traveler, I would've told my younger self to not join a world of warcraft discord server

which would've created a time paradox and ripped the fabric of spacetime apart

[latent kernel]

2 charges was great for like the first 2 chainpulls in a dungeon, it doesnt add as much uptime as u think it does unfortunately

[grim jay]

but we had a great time

before you got famous

which was a different decision

[balmy condor]

I'm famous?

[grim jay]

sure

[balmy condor]

since when

[grim jay]

like next to margot robbie

and better looking

[balmy condor]

magot robert got nothing on me

[silk merlin]

[balmy condor]

damn shame

[grim jay]

maggot robert is just weak

[balmy condor]

!ban @native condor spam

[analog field]

tbf I was trolling but aside that I never had problem with restealths at all

[balmy condor]

TROLLING?

IN MY DISCORD?

[analog field]

I ask for forgiveness

[balmy condor]

That’s how religion works too, you get a pass

Why ask for permission when you can just do some bullshit and ask for forgiveness afterwards

[grim jay]

just start selling letters of indulgence

make it a business

[balmy condor]

True

[little tulip]

nitro spensive

but also nodders

[nova aspen]

but would u have listened to urself

[little tulip]

i mean if you don't mention the monster fridge

there's a chance

[grim jay]

I'd listen to everyone with a monster fridge

as long as they are full of the ultra ones

[little tulip]

bro the peach flavor be hittin

[balmy condor]

God no I don’t listen to idiots

[little tulip]

it's like an arnold palmer with caffeine

[nova aspen]

[quiet star]

really just wanted to say how assa is satisfying to play sometimes, defensive CDs is so great especially after randombulshitgo feral things

only 2 things I don't like is vial 4 sec to heal and no ability to skip skyreach wind puzzle

[little tulip]

put shadowstep on a mouseover macro

and blink on the first guy who makes it

[dry mural]

with the changes coming tomorrow which rogue spec would be the best for M+ in trying to hit 3400io?

[low silo]

Fatebound sprint you can just run through that shit tho

[low silo]

Any rogue spec can hit 3.4 play what you enjoy most

[quiet star]

do you mean March?

[little tulip]

sub is probably a touch easier to play

[low silo]

Nah even with double step I just sprint and run through the winds

[little tulip]

but doesn't matter really

[low silo]

But you can run the march thingy specifically for skyreach I guess

[little tulip]

if you have a tank doing low target count sin is better but baller tanks make sub go off

[quiet star]

still you need to run first half, I tried to tp from first stairs and can't do that

[little tulip]

nope there's a line up on the staircase out of boss

[analog field]

you just wait on the start to be hit by the wind

and shadowstep

every spec does the same

[little tulip]

just be jumpin like a lock gate skip and blink

[analog field]

but it doesn't matter

[quiet star]

but you need streak here

[analog field]

like what ? save 10 sec or ?

[low silo]

10 seconds is 10 seconds

[analog field]

I see people dying on this shit many more times

which is 15 sec

[little tulip]

just be on the edge of the staircase that's a ramp

[analog field]

yeah but it is 10 but you don't lose 10

cause you need to cast the thing

so if you were there and helped you would save like 3?

[quiet star]

inability to do mechanic alone

because if guys fails for whatever reason

you need to run

[analog field]

if people die there trying to go faster

you deplete key

[quiet star]

it's not a problem overall, just siad what I don't like

[analog field]

for no reason

it is one of these things where if you do perfectly you save like 3-5 sec

and if you fail and 3 of you die you lose 45 or something

[quiet star]

there a lor of classes that can do that easily really

I guess even outlaw can do that

[analog field]

outlaw can yes but many can't also

and many try to cheese and die

which is way worse than just sprinting

[quiet star]

just practice

[analog field]

i pugged a 15 +3 skyreach

if you are doing 22's you need to

no one is practicing this in 17's or something

they just do it and some achieve it and some don't

[little tulip]

but also sin looks really good with baller tanks sooo

i dunno

[analog field]

https://www.twitch.tv/k1llatvv/clip/LuckyEagerHerringStoneLightning-tWhShy2BrINMnm89

you end up doing such things

instead of just running

[little tulip]

i had a death knight in a 16 yesterday and a ret which i think has a ranged kick completely ignore that one caster in maisara where you get the first hex guardian on the yoda route

actually gave me double depression

[high sundial]

If I want to craft a ring, which embellishment to choose? Seems like Arcanoweave Lining is no-go for ring

[glossy galleon]

you dont need to put an embellishment on it

[little tulip]

if you don't have 2 crafted pieces and bis pants which is our non tier slot this season

you could embell a ring but idk why you would

[high sundial]

Had a wrist mythic bis stat drop so I was thinking off replacing my crafted wrist with a ring

(my current craffted wrist is ilvl 259)

[little tulip]

you can get the rings out of nexus point which are about as good as the stuff out of raid that everyone wants

what about a belt?

[high sundial]

true, only got a HC belt. is that better to craft then ring?

[little tulip]

sim it

i simmed cloak ring and neck a few ago and they're all like within .2 of each other

[high sundial]

ok thanks

[dawn seal]

!plates

[normal mist]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
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  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[dawn seal]

oh thank

[sacred oyster]

you can keep the wrist until you got the crest to upgrade it to mythic, use myth wrist until then, or craft cloak instead with arcanoweave

belt is easy to get from pit of saron as youll be doing bonus rolls there anyways

[high sundial]

thanks

[sacred oyster]

we have lots of good ring choices so i regret crafiting my ring as i dont use it now lol

[clear knoll]

If you tricks the tank does it last the whole hour it shows or I have to reapply it when the ticker falls off

[sacred oyster]

it lasts only like 6s after your first combat spell

so yes you gotta do it every pull

get TanksMD addon and put that macro button on your stealth bar too

[coral ibex]

1hr tricks is only for trickster specs

[onyx crane]

so if I do dps close to what I sim, why do I parse so poorly?

[grim jay]

because sims arent meant to show your actual dps in fights

and parses have nothing to do with sims

[onyx crane]

cuz idk how to improve

outside of fight familiarity maybe?

[sacred oyster]

in real raid you may have stuff like 20 people all using arcanoweave lining giving lots of team buff going on. adds padding dps that wasnt there in a sim.

[low silo]

Fight familiarity is a big factor

[clear knoll]

Ahh so tricker specs don’t have to reapply it?

[grim jay]

depends on a lot of things outside of your control, everything else could be seen in a log review

[low silo]

First week on chimmy I sent death mark and kingsbane right before transition

[sacred oyster]

on chim do yall try to get some more hits in before pulling off to the ads? timing wise its like cds are always happening right as soak happens. but gotta be quick if want to try to CT the imp gar to an ad

[frosty cedar]

play correctly, have better gear, and have a good fight strategy for each boss

[frosty cedar]

you should do this but you can get a full CD set on the boss properly before he transitions

[frosty cedar]

first or second add group?

[sacred oyster]

first

[low silo]

I did not, I got 3 globals. Was a feelsbad

[frosty cedar]

on mythic chim, for first add group, you want to be taking the gate as you go so its not really about getting some hits in

my strategy is to omit the first envenom on pull, use cooldowns on boss, vanish close to soak time, so that there is enough time to refresh imp gar on boss + double imp gar the big add after gate + shadowstep

I think thats optimal opener

[sacred oyster]

oh my group didnt use a gate, is a pug, but we didnt have issues with dieing in soak 1, it was soak 2 ppl were struggling with to get sep

[frosty cedar]

should still be possible

[sacred oyster]

so you cd like 2s before pull vanish then hit as much as you can?

[frosty cedar]

on pull for mythic chim im doing garrote, build, rupture, puzzlebox, DM, Kb

rather than building an entire envenom before the first DM KB

[sacred oyster]

yeh i havent been doing env first either but man still always getting in soak before full cd/kb is usedd

[frosty cedar]

you dont get to use your entire DM KB on the boss on pull if you are add group 1, so this way you get about 3 more globals in CDS on the boss and more time to stack KB

[little tulip]

sending it on chim before intermission helps with doing the solo tank in the last down phase

it's worth if everyone cranks

[sacred oyster]

i then step when soak knocks up to get down faster and hit some more

[little tulip]

u just kingsbane the big guy and spread bleeds

when its back up

[frosty cedar]

if your wanting to parse or go for rank 1, you are going to be wanting to imp gar the adds, theres not much way around it, consider shadowstepping to an ally and then to the big add in line with the strategy i mentioned before if theres no gate

in the first set, of course

[subtle tundra]

i fucking HATE parsing

[little tulip]

right it's like not even like turbo boost hours yet

[frosty cedar]

at least its ethical on assa

[sacred oyster]

well not trying to bring parse % at sacrifice to total usefulness, just making sure maximizing effectiveness for the kill

[frosty cedar]

outside of dragons ofc

did some henious things to dragons with that SD build

[random pelican]

That sounds hilarious, honestly

[royal lantern]

i fucking LOVE you

[subtle tundra]

i am so hungry vro

🥀

[frosty cedar]

it was cooked but I put us here for dragons on max lmfao

[sacred oyster]

i tried pug myth chim this weekend, didnt get far, but dont feel like i messed up, just i think tanks were struggling on getting group 2 down w/o overlap

[frosty cedar]

pug is tuff

glad I aint have to do that

[random pelican]

The toughest thing is the interrupts

[random pelican]

Thats hilarious

[lime edge]

When i tried pugging it the hardest part was the dmg

[grim jay]

its kinda fine actually

the hardest part is about dps players and their interrupts

[frosty cedar]

luckily we are super good at the intermission adds but the ranged kicks can be a problem

[sacred oyster]

yeah if everything went as smooth in our group 2 as our group 1 it prob would have been better, but as it goes ppl quit each wipe

[random pelican]

We had one purple parse in our raid (me) and were still doing the send one tank down after one intermission strat so, the dmg in your pug had to be terrible

The interrupts are just tight. Even with backups it takes a few pulls. People gotta use their cc too

[sacred oyster]

what do you mean by "solo tank" in last phase. theres a case where both tanks go down and no ones tanking up top?

[coral ibex]

you just send one tank down

and burn the boss

[random pelican]

No, theres a case where you send only one tank, no heals no dps down

Yeah

[coral ibex]

nobody else goes down for the last group

[mortal crag]

Only if you can burn it before it consumes everything though right

[random pelican]

Yeah

[sacred oyster]

ah interesting

[coral ibex]

you have a lot of time tho

from when the soak happens to when consume starts

it prob 45 seconds if not a minute

[mortal crag]

Feel like it’s gotta be under 10% maybe

[frosty cedar]

yeah plus it cant consume them when they are in a diff phase, so they stay there for the full duration

even if the tank dies

you can do it at like 40% boss hp

[mortal crag]

Really

[coral ibex]

yea we dont do any more down phases after intermission

[frosty cedar]

yep thats the play

[mortal crag]

Do you hold lust?

[random pelican]

No

[coral ibex]

as a guild who has been clearing it every week for multiple weeks

can't speak to pugs

pugs prob can't do it

pugs can barely kill chim in any capacity

[mortal crag]

On mythic right?

[random pelican]

Yeah its one intermission and burn before 2nd pne

One*

[coral ibex]

yes mythic

[clear knoll]

So CT will still spread poisons even if I’m not targeting my initial target?

[mortal crag]

Dam that’s crazy

[frosty cedar]

correct

CT isnt about targetting anything

it spreads bleeds if it hits a target with a bleed, and a target without a bleed

it spreads the highest bleed of the ones hit

CT like other abilities also can apply poison

[royal lantern]

everything you do that does dmg spreads poisons

[clear knoll]

I meant bleed my bad but I’m guessing it’s the same

[frosty cedar]

yep

[oblique swallow]

Its got a really nice range too, handy when you TOT on a tank and they are pulling one pack to the next, you can dot up the first pack and just spread it onto the 2nd/3rd etc

[mortal crag]

How many times do you normally have to press ct for it to get everything

[coral ibex]

well ct spread poisons to everything you hit but only spreads bleeds to 2 targets

[onyx crane]

but how to play correctly

[oblique swallow]

It also generates a fuck tonne of CP, so make sure you are able to funnel them into your prio target

[weary stump]

Has anyone checked if crimson tempests animation is crimson or not

[oblique swallow]

It is a very healthy shade of BLOOD clour

[mortal crag]

I normally play sub and tried assa tonight on vanguard

[weary stump]

So you're saying it's more carmine

[mortal crag]

Fucked it royally

[frosty cedar]

its a little difficult to say without being asked a specific question on how to play a certain part or how to use an ability properly. generally take the most efficient action for each global you cast? if your begining with assa I would suggest the guide and playing it and then asking questions about something specific if that makes sense

[frosty cedar]

they look like lil fishes

[spice surge]

Atleast in theory, im always so confused whenever a mob only has my garrote on it and not the rupture

How does that even work man

[frosty cedar]

real

[royal lantern]

they dodged the garrote

[frosty cedar]

the mob has no neck, so you cant garrote it, only rupture it

[weary stump]

Our lil pet dagger fishies swimming in the pond

[oblique swallow]

Kni-fishes!

They are like baby sword fish

Ohh I can transmog my floppy fish weapons on to daggers now too

There we go, fish sending out fish to make things bleed!

Expansion complete, unsub #NoContentLeft

[flat kindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[supple monolith]

anyone can give a tricks macro plesae ❤️

[spice surge]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[grave nova]

In 17+ sin is pulling ahead of sub right?

[analog field]

the dmg won't be extremely different

the numbers should be close

[supple monolith]

Do i have to put settings for the trick thing to work?

[quiet star]

interesting statistic https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/47?sample=7&bracket=16

[acoustic roost]

Yes you have to make a macro

[supple monolith]

what is the macro then

[slim pebble]

When I started doing 15s I swapped to sin and my damage has improved

[acoustic roost]

It’s in the link to the addon homie

[spice surge]

Either a macro or keybind it

[quiet star]

I use this option, but tank should be lead

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [@party1,help,nodead] Tricks of the Trade

[coral ibex]

if you click the tankmd link it gives you the macro

just click

[royal lantern]

thats what somebody with a scam link would say

[random pelican]

This doesnt always work

Sometimes itll tricks the party lead

Tank md is goated

[sacred oyster]

get TanksMD addon it works great

[random pelican]

My b, reading comprehension bad

[calm grail]

I want a shadow step macro that can read my mind

[little tulip]

uhh

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[calm grail]

Instead of occasionally stepping to the wrong target

[little tulip]

it's stooper useful

im gonna try /cleartarget and /targetlasttarget in my focus macro to see i can get it to stop grabbing the wrong guy

also i think there's a way to make it only target hostile enemies?

[quiet star]

tbh blizzard should make it autodetected

but thx

[little tulip]

trust it's probably why blizz hasn't updated it

i just started using it today

[quiet star]

not sometimes, but always lol

[calm grail]

In theory, could you make a focus macro that targets all the annoying casters in all dungeons if you were super lazy? Obviously it would have flaws a mile long, but could it be possible?

Just for going to a new pack and quickly grabbing something

[little tulip]

go find one of those pvp coders who writes auto kick scripts

[random pelican]

Its been my experience that the more i try to automate shit, the more i experience the use cases where the rigidity bites me in the ass lmao

[calm grail]

Tricky bit is pugging when you all think "Yeah that arcanist cadaver is going to get ignored" So then everyone has the same thought and there's no kicks left for the other bois

[mortal crag]

Y’all don’t tricks the evoker?

[little tulip]

yeah im also putting a marker syntax in my focus macro

[calm grail]

I should do that.

"Hey guys, I always kick this shape"

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizards-lizard-running-lizard-escape-escape-gif-10435465934756926869

terrorism

[calm grail]

How do you add a marker bit into your focus macro?

I miss the old WA's that did that.

[sacred oyster]

i was actually looking at the idea of macro target for all the common prio targets too, as like those ymirs can be annoying to click target on the back of the dragon

[grim jay]

why

[sacred oyster]

not for kicks but just ease of getting on prio target in big pulls

[grim jay]

you just click the nameplate

[sacred oyster]

nameplates jiggle

[grim jay]

I cant say that for mine

tbh

[sacred oyster]

do you not have stacking?

[grim jay]

I do, but they dont jiggle idk

[little tulip]

quazi deleted his plater setup guide and finding a good spot to fuss with it is a pain

horizontal stacking in the advanced tab doesn't seem to do anything?

[sick rampart]

Hey guys. Hope yall are doing good. Quick question about the puzzle box. Better to use before combat or during? Thanks in advance.

[sacred oyster]

I updated mine (Platy) this weekend https://gist.github.com/aikar/af8ebb503ebf3a210c453a9ac056f172

[little tulip]

during

bleeds > pot > box > dm/kb

[sacred oyster]

i couldnt bleed for the screenshot though as i was in low lvl dungeon for testing lol, but they are on the left of the bar

need to get me a new screen while in a real key to update that

[quiet star]

you want to apply dots to main target, maybe even spread with 1/2 CT based on situation
after that box-deathmark-kingsbane

[sick rampart]

Thank you guys. Appreciate you

[sacred oyster]

@grim jay ^ but you can see ultimately part of my issue is i deprio focus non casters/target to be smaller so that makes it a bit harder to find it in there

[quiet star]

why pot before box?

[little tulip]

raw agi ups the bleed damage while you're casting puzzle

if you puzzle > pot then those ticks while you're channeling are weaker

[sacred oyster]

yeah i was playing with some apl sims and it acually put DM before PB also was a dmg increase too, prob for same reasons

[little tulip]

its literally giga nerd shiet

[quiet star]

I expect to have another round of dots usually

[little tulip]

what do you mean

are you reapplying bleeds before starting dm/kb?

[quiet star]

I mean usually you don't spread a lot before box

[grim jay]

yeah your plates are really small and look kinda cluttered

comparatively

[quiet star]

and wasting pot on those two seconds sounds strange

[little tulip]

well member we're prio damage

[quiet star]

you will start spreading after box

[sacred oyster]

man thats way less cluttered than anyone elses lol. its pretty minimalist plates

[little tulip]

just spread bleeds after kb envenom

[quiet star]

so more uptime of pot on higher amount of dots

[little tulip]

idk why you'd ct while box is rolling without big hit on your prio target sent

[sacred oyster]

sims actually do show having some bleeds spread first will be an increase some too, due to the agi buff for the entire duration of the CD. but yeah you gotta play it by ear on how fast are they gonna live.

[quiet star]

( still think it wouldn't change a lot, but interesting to discuss)

[grave nova]

Is sin uncapped aoe? And does it apply that quickly?

[spice surge]

No and no

[calm grail]

Idk about the first bit, but once your shit ramps it'll surprise you.

[quiet star]

I think assa is about both

[spice surge]

Or well, softcapped

[quiet star]

two ticks in st wouldn't change a lot

[spice surge]

But almost everything is softcapped nowadays

[quiet star]

but 2seconds in higher amount of targets will have more impact

[little tulip]

i mean a pot adds about 10k dps to your overall in dslice

[grave nova]

Realistically, whats your max targets? And whats ideal target number?

[calm grail]

Eleem, I'm a sub enjoyer, but Sub feels bad in keys for me. Break down why. 2 target fights just about drive me up the wall.

[little tulip]

and for me it's ctrl +z > shift + 4 > dm > kb > envenom > ct > env spam etc

[quiet star]

clear

[little tulip]

if your pot button is in narnia i guess it might sound weird

[grim jay]

the size and stacking is kinda weird

imo

[grave nova]

No cdr ):

[quiet star]

during box cast you have time to prepare for small piano session

[sacred oyster]

do yours overlap more? but thats ultimately what I tweaked to avoid them overlapping to make it very clear click targets that is a bit safer for mouseover kicks too.

[calm grail]

It's probably 100% feels, but when I'm on undead boss in Windrunner spire or Troll/Bird boss as Sub, it feels like I'm tickling the 2nd target. The DoTS feel strong though when I'm sin.

[grim jay]

no, less

[sacred oyster]

well the more you space stacking things the more they can jiggle too lol

[quiet star]

but can you describe more pls?
like envenom/caustic is softcapped ofc
but what about bleeds/poisons?

[grim jay]

yeah but mine dont and have more space

[little tulip]

i dunno my keybinds are pretty much pinky shift and mash keys

[spice surge]

I mean the damage from bleeds and poisons arent

[little tulip]

q/e fok for maximum circle strafing

[spice surge]

But spreading them to tons of mobs takes a long time

[quiet star]

got it, from this perspective yes

still I guess poisons is easier

[little tulip]

if it's kind of a chain pull with cds coming up i'll spread bleeds

[quiet star]

but posions is something I still not completely understand

it may be applied or may not

[little tulip]

but first pull first try im just setting the prio target up

also our two/three target is hilariously bad compared to a mage just saying

those guys eat lol

[quiet star]

I guess pot before box make sense

[weary stump]

Simply spread faster

[little tulip]

if rain of toads guy dies faster thereby preventing someone from getting ree'd it's better for everyone

[weary stump]

[quiet star]

if you do more CT before burst

like 7+ targets with bleeds with pot should be nice

[weary stump]

The best way to get someone to ree I feel this tier is letting them get polymorphed by the magisters terrace mages

[little tulip]

i can't believe blizzard put angry toad noises in the game

https://tenor.com/view/mudskipper-blink-shocked-mudskipper-blink-gif-13251776216627778203

[weary stump]

Can't believe they didn't make a capybara raid boss

[drifting path]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[quiet star]

wait what

[little tulip]

dundun is right there

[weary stump]

Dundun is the rat

Filo is the capy

[quiet star]

it's like reading rotation during AA first pull

apply CT until everything bleed

and you literally have no fking idea when this time is and just spamming CT

in would be nice to have counter how many targets affected by bleeds rly

[calm grail]

Filo better be the Taivan mount of this expansion or I'll riot.

[weary stump]

Nono, filo is the expansion end boss

[calm grail]

For sure, but on a pull like that, just keep sending it until the pack wears out. You'll have plenty of energy.

[weary stump]

Filo, enemy of all because sylvannas kills the troll children or something

[quiet star]

yes, but if blizzard decide to change CT to not be Fan on steroids it will be a problem

for now just spam CT yes

[royal lantern]

......no?

you use CT until everything bleeds, then its FoK time

no "just spam CT"

[little tulip]

i think they were talking about algethar

which i mean

y'know

https://tenor.com/view/nyan-nya-anime-nyan-cat-girl-maid-anime-cat-girl-gif-21695921

[reef flower]

Raidbot on 5 targets dummies.
Why no: garote, FoK, rupture, garrote, env, cd ...?
Delaying second garrote with improved garotte must be an dps gain isnt it?

[weary stump]

Theyre referring to the first alg pack where you have like infinity enemies to spread into

It's called talon toss to us soft skins

[high walrus]

is there a way to always tricks the tank now that weakauras are died

or does it default to the tank

[little tulip]

just search tricksmd in curseforge

change your macro to the syntax on the page

[high walrus]

thankyou

[reef flower]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[severe meadow]

I just do a focus macro for the tank

[high walrus]

I can't believe they pruned spells and simplified stuff without making tricks autotarget the tank

incredible

[tulip lantern]

is the off hand dagger craft bis over a 289 one?

[reef flower]

Well I'd be sad if I couldn't trick the mage

[random pelican]

Its annoying to swap your focus to a kick focus afterwards

[high walrus]

targetless should just be closest tank

you should still be free to target tricks that dumbass mage

[little tulip]

offhand is pretty low value if you have other gear to upgrade

[humble verge]

so this tooltip is just fake

i bought r1 and used it

but nothing spawned

does it only happen in actual mobfights or not

[mortal crag]

It’s a maybe right

“May”

[reef flower]

It does happen sometimes, silence zone

Small ones, like 5m radius and doesn't seem to disturb your teammates afaik

[coral ibex]

about the focus kick thing

[humble verge]

was simming .7% dps on it

so might swap to em

[coral ibex]

i believe its MDT that has

a focus macro announcement

and it can also put a marker in your focus macro

so whenever theres a ready check in m+ it says "my focus target is <symbol>"

[fresh kelp]

it only happens in combat

some people have said its workable

i tried it on beta and it was not in any way workable

maybe if a boss has a very large hitbox

[humble verge]

time to test

[mortal crag]

Idk if I want workable on my pulls tbh

[reef flower]

Pools proc on on 3rd boss skyreach and it was fine but i guess it can be really really annoying in some situations

[sacred oyster]

wtf i thought those were the equivalent of the poor mans potion of recklessness. i didnt realize it was 774 agility

[humble verge]

didnt get anything on like

random world mob

[mortal crag]

Is that one potion?

[fresh kelp]

yes

[mortal crag]

Fuck that

[fresh kelp]

this may have been a low roll though

i kind of got this one and spent most of blades pacified

[little tulip]

yeah mechanics jail

[fresh kelp]

and then logged out

[little tulip]

maybe on a movement fight like salhadaar that was a cook

[mortal crag]

Feel like it’ll defo fuck yo at the worst time too

[fresh kelp]

cloak does not immune it

[mortal crag]

Can other people see it

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-playing-around-adventure-time-finn-jake-gif-4874019

[reef flower]

nope

[safe kestrel]

important question: skyreach bird boss. does the egg dying explosion damage you?

i see some people just facetanking it with no dmg taken

[cunning needle]

No

Its cosmetic and doesn't scale

As long as its not over another egg it doesn't matter

[mortal crag]

Its for the other eggs

[safe kestrel]

okayty

[lime edge]

Wait huh

It does no damage?

[cunning needle]

Correct

Im pretty sure it does a triple digit amount or something

But it doesn't scale

Idk just stand it

Same thing with circles on xenas last boss

They also dont do much damage and you can stack them

[fresh kelp]

does the dot not stack

[cunning needle]

Good question, I never realised it gave a dot

I want to assume no since we always stack them for funsies on a 10 to 12

But things don't do damage thst key level anway except the trash before boss

Like circle does some damage but not enough to concern

[proper rain]

is it bad that i feel like this is the best iteration of assassination in a long time?

[quiet star]

just realized that I can't see posion bomb in details
is it tracked like envenom?

[wary reef]

I believe it's baked into Envenom but I could be wrong

[sacred oyster]

wtf sub getting 7% buff but nothing for us

[plain thistle]

7?

you sure about that number?

[subtle tundra]

lil cuh doesnt have critical thinking

random numbers go

[reef flower]

More like 2,5% according to Eleem

And less bursty profile

[placid wave]

tbf he's thinking like the blizz class balance team

[granite escarp]

new to assa, what poisions we using

[runic hinge]

!poisons

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[solar wyvern]

Do not do this

Ouchie ouch

[golden loom]

you know what that sounds like?

a healer mechanic!

[weary stump]

Cheat death moment truly

[coral ibex]

is the choice node with cheat called elusiveness or is that the deathstalker talent

[fallow canopy]

elusiveness is the choice with cheat death

bait and switch is the deathstalker one iirc

[random pelican]

Elusiveness gamers rise up

[novel dragon]

super dumb question that I'm sure has been answered before but when you apply imp garrote- then crimson tempest, are the spread garrotes themselves improved?

[quaint nimbus]

Yes

[devout dust]

I dont really understand why all guides say to run the wedding ring when the set rings sim higher?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fiWs7XqeGG2oSFKsThWHTC

[dense cedar]

wtf is that sim

40 seconds 8 targets

[acoustic roost]

🤣

[acoustic roost]

What about the other 20min+ of the dungeon or 4min 20 sec of the single target boss fight?

[devout dust]

lol idk im new to the sim stuff sorry

I should do it for 5 min normally?

[acoustic roost]

5 min ST patchwerk or do a dungeon slice for m+

They both have their flaws and won’t accurately sim real in game encounters, so using both and then finding a middle ground is usually a good idea

[grim jay]

no

you just sim patchwerk of ST and dungeonslice for m+, thats it

[lime edge]

The void rings sim higher for me in dslice

[grim jay]

which is absolutely a possbility and fine

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[gentle raven]

do we switch embelishments to 2 arcano weave when we have 2 myth track weapons?

[worn geyser]

id sim it and see what the robot says

my guess is no but im also not able to math like the robot can

[royal lantern]

why would you fully upgrade a 2nd weapon anyway

thats wasting a shitton of crests for......nothing really?

[gentle raven]

+4 item level on offhand

[humble verge]

do we know when we get uncapped crests

[royal lantern]

thats like 2 agility and 4 in some secondarys mate

and you then get a lower ilvl in another slot for embelishments

[steady sun]

Hey guys, i have a question. Do i use the puzzlebox and start spreading or do i spread the dots first?

[royal lantern]

you use it togheter with deathmark, like always

[worn geyser]

envenom puzzle dm kb

[steady sun]

ty

[gentle raven]

you dont clip the dots with mastery buff?

[grim jay]

clip what

[royal lantern]

? what ?

[grim jay]

its dynamic

[gentle raven]

ah ok

[royal lantern]

snapshotting like that hasnt been in the game since like

MoP

[gentle raven]

ok i did the sim its a dmg loss 460

[worn geyser]

unlucky

[gray hazel]

I cant believe they still havent added back the option to show special resources on the target

at least we should be able to add to the personal resource display

[upbeat sail]

do you envenom on 5+ or 6+

[worn geyser]

5+

[sacred oyster]

no, ive simmeed that, hunt on oh is bigger gain than arcanoweave. oh stats is insignificant that extra ilvl there still doesnt beat hunt

[fallow canopy]

not really

some people speculate .0.7 but its just 🔮

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/hachiware-chiikawa-happy-stimpy-flapping-arms-gif-82452333563293721

[runic hinge]

since like the first two weeks of the patch you mean

[native birch]

Why am I sometimes getting 1-2 CPs back after casting Envenom? It quite inconsistent, but it's occurring even when I'm not talented into Poisoner's Drive.

[runic hinge]

sometimes your fatebound coin crits and gives you combo points

positive bug ftw

[native birch]

Huh, definitely an interesting one. Would also explain why talents that proc multiple coins are generating multiple CPs

[supple monolith]

is there a way to make the tricks addon automaticly cast it into the tank without needed to click on him

[spice surge]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[supple monolith]

Yeah i got this addon also the macro but i still need to press on the tank is there like something wiuth the setting or something that i am missing?

[little tulip]

you need to be in a party with a tank

[hazy sundial]

In order to turn hero crest into myth - do i need every item in every slot to be 276 at least right?

[little tulip]

it works doe

[spice surge]

Yes

[hazy sundial]

Ok just need a ring from PoS and im good

Next reset sending bonus rolls in it

I will for sure get it, right guys?

[dawn seal]

do we hard swap to salhadar orbs

[supple monolith]

I change the Misderection with tricks correct

or i keep the macro as it is

[severe meadow]

Nah, can CT and let caustic do the work

Orbs should realistically explode pretty fast

[dawn seal]

oke

woo

[sacred oyster]

yes, that just makes it use the tricks icon/cooldown for the macro

[slender badger]

Hey is it better in an aoe pull to spread all your bleeds and then rip deathmark or should you get imp garrote and rupture rip deathmark and then spread bleeds?

[sacred oyster]

technically yes its better to get some spread, but if they are gonna die fast timing wont matter there. i spread like 2-3 times first personally.

it maximizes your agi bonus for the duration of the DM

[lime edge]

In aoe you do gar > gar > fok > rupture > ct until 5 combo > envenom > box > dm > kb

And then u use more cts if u got more to spread

[slender badger]

thank you!

[onyx veldt]

https://x.com/Arch_WoW/status/2051225132736135237/video/1?s=46

Arch (@Arch_WoW)

Cooked up a new way of pulling birds onto 2nd boss skyreach tech requires DH+Aug. I have not tested this yet in an active key but should still work. Pretty massive time save in most meta comps. See important notes below.

▶ Play video

X · May 4, 2026, 8:59 AM

xD?

[faint mural]

!bugs

[ashen sinew]

puzzle box vs solarflare ?

[faint mural]

Puzzle box for sure

[plain thistle]

they are not even in the same realm

[proven mulch]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[gleaming imp]

Wowhead opener is way different but i'm inclined to agree w/you. It only makes sense to prio spreading bleeds before popping trinket/cd. Only thing that doesn't seem optimal to me is why double gar at the start when you could gar -> fan -> gar

[runic hinge]

Sometimes you just don’t have time for alldat

[grim jay]

its literally the same as on wowhead

and it doesnt really matter if you garr garr fok or garr fok garr

[gleaming imp]

No it isn't, it's pretty different. What he's saying vs aoe opener on wowhead

[grim jay]

yeah its the same

I just checked

[gleaming imp]

Same, it's different ;3

[grim jay]

you probably checked priority

and not opener

only the envenom placement is different

[gleaming imp]

So it's different :^)

[grim jay]

yeah so different that its functionally the same

[gleaming imp]

Nah bc he's also saying to ct before popping trinket, hence pretty different

[grim jay]

he only CTs because he wants to get an envenom

[gleaming imp]

Which is what I was agreeing with

[grim jay]

not because he wants to spread before CDs

[gleaming imp]

Why not just fan then

[grim jay]

because CT is better than fan

if not everything has bleeds

[gleaming imp]

exactly

Either way, it's different, and I agree with him

[grim jay]

brother that still doesnt mean you spread bleeds for the CDs

its literally different logic

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[grim jay]

he probably does that purely because you envenom in ST before you use CDs

not because its better

[royal lantern]

pressing a single gcd with another skill cus at that point it doesnt matter what you press is not "different" lol

[grim jay]

you want quick openers in AoE

[royal lantern]

^

[grim jay]

wasting 3 more GCDs before you pop CDs can literally waste the most important parts of them

because that mob might just die while they are active

it not being a noticeable dps gain aside seemingly in any case, because whispyr would have included it that way if it was

so you just kinda run a risk with no tangible gain

[faint mural]

When is deathstalker gonna be good again ? 😌

[grim jay]

season 2 is the season of the deathstalker

I can feel it

they implemented a change after 5 minutes of brainstorming, surely will see play

[faint mural]

😂🤣

[runic hinge]

Hopefully never

[balmy condor]

I have to write my guide for a wide array of players, and the most common situation is that delaying cds leads to the mob dying before deathmark/kingsbane finishes. That’s why openers immediately press cds. If you’re playing high enough keys where you can afford to press envenom or even multiple envenoms before going into cooldowns, feel free to do so since you are getting scent stacked up beforehand. Hopefully you can understand why that’s not the base recommendation

[gleaming imp]

That's a great explanation. I always wondered, because when I'm opening on a pack I know is going to live a while I do it slightly differently like that other guy was saying, bc why not.

[lone pasture]

we're post log

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[lone pasture]

[cosmic robin]

Does rogue survivability suck on +19 or is it the healers fault?

[lone pasture]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K86f9y2JVQcrgDTR?fight=34&type=casts&source=211&view=timeline

if someone's bored

[thorn thorn]

@spice spire

Your turn broski

[spice spire]

Sorry lil gup I’m retired also very much not bored

Question one:
that’s a lot of fucking mutilates

[upbeat sail]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[lone pasture]

I think every boss was like

5mins

deffinitly fat fingers it a few times durring trash tho

or a lot actualy

[vast shuttle]

[lone pasture]

[spice spire]

Holy mother of a 4 minute boss

You weren’t kidding

The answer is often the same

CD more

[lone pasture]

I didnt wanna cd the 3 mob pulls this goof was giving me

but i prob should've in hindsight

since they lived forever

[upbeat sail]

whats ur average dungeon slice sim fellas

i just rerolled and im missing couple of mastery but im curious if im good to go on 19s

my simming yields like 140k

[lime edge]

With just bloodlust?

Im 123.9k

[upbeat sail]

oh that too ye

oh then im fine

all good

[lime edge]

Wait so are u 140k with all buffs or just bloodlust

[high dust]

Finally got time to clear Pit with bonus rolls and I hate my life

[faint mural]

Ring and neck are nice

[muted oracle]

i wish i had the pit ring, instead i have the npx ring set

[high dust]

Belt too, but already had it from a vault.

[grave nova]

is slice and dice just not something we press anymore?

[faint mural]

Nope

[humble verge]

not since tww s2

[grave nova]

do we get it automatically now?

[high dust]

from envenom yep

[faint mural]

Yep

[humble verge]

yes

[grave nova]

i think i like this spec now

[humble verge]

man i wanna go back to building up your first 5cp for snd

[faint mural]

Same

[grave nova]

i refuse to play outlaw because you have times where you have to actually press it

[balmy condor]

deathstalker + manual snd

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

we are so back

[humble verge]

we are so back

can i go back to 2024

[faint mural]

Bring back shiv too

[lime edge]

Why are poisons still 1hr long

[humble verge]

wdym

you want em to be perma?

[lime edge]

Yea

[grave nova]

why shouldnt they be perma?

[lone pasture]

should have to reapply them after each use to be more realistic

[humble verge]

ok so like

when you add something to a sword

that isnt magical

[old halo]

takes like 5 minutes to apply all our posions

[humble verge]

would it not be accurate

that it like

fades away after a while?

[muted oracle]

leeching poison style buffs going forward yes

[grave nova]

no

[lime edge]

So you're telling me poison daggers in real life last exactly 1 hour

[humble verge]

yes

[grave nova]

does a snake have to reapply poison?

[humble verge]

[humble verge]

in theory yes

[balmy condor]

yes actually

[grave nova]

does a snake go "hold up a second, lemme reapply this shit before i bite you"

wait what

[humble verge]

yes

[lime edge]

Yea they gotta secrete it right

[humble verge]

^^

[lime edge]

Or something

[balmy condor]

they have to constantly make new poison

and the fangs are hollow

so they're basically making poison in these glands in their head

making a stew

and then when they bite and the fangs hit

they piss the poison into your skin through the fangs

[grave nova]

i hate it here

[lime edge]

So snake fang poison = pee

[balmy condor]

yeah, poison is stored in the balls

[marsh fjord]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1141527715258847284/1225424075967561818/shocked_cat_wtf.gif

[humble verge]

thats why like when you see that one documentary of a guy extracting the most dangerous poison, the snake doesnt actually spit the poison straight away

[balmy condor]

well actually I guess it's more like shitting? idk I've never been a snake

[humble verge]

you are a snake bro

[balmy condor]

but they gotta squeeze their muscles to shoot the poison out

[lime edge]

Maybe the snakes are bussing

[fresh kelp]

boy do i have the spec for you

[humble verge]

no im good

[fresh kelp]

[frosty cedar]

no cause they have venom not poison

[balmy condor]

okay fucking loser

[lime edge]

What if they put it in ur food

And then u eat it

Is it poison

[balmy condor]

yes

[lone pasture]

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/god-why-ugh-nooo-ahh-gif-27454757

[balmy condor]

the only difference between poison and venom

is that venom is injected

and poison is everything else

[frosty cedar]

kingsbane is venom

[lone pasture]

does that mean c is venom

[lime edge]

No

[fleet pagoda]

venomnomnom

[lone pasture]

[lime edge]

Kingsbane is u force feeding the mob poisoned food

[balmy condor]

it depends on the strike actually

if touching the skin of the mob with kingsbane is lethal, then it's a poison

if you have to stab them and pierce skin to get the juice into their bloodstream

that would be a venom

[lime edge]

What if it only becomes bloodstream lethal after touching the skin

[balmy condor]

I don't think blizzard thought about any of these technicalities, because as a reminder, KINGSBANE IS THE NAME OF THE SET OF DAGGERS ITSELF, THE VENOM POISON IS PART OF THE DAGGER

like blizzard wants me to believe I'm stabbing, I'm stabbing

and every minute

I swap to these old ass daggers from like 50 years ago

stabbing cause they make a special toxin

and then swapping back

??????

my immersion bro this game blows

[loud light]

it takes exactly 1 minute to generate enough toxin for another dose

now where these daggers grow it from

is a mystery

[lime edge]

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/hachiware-chiikawa-happy-stimpy-flapping-arms-gif-82452333563293721

[frosty cedar]

hey the tooltip says inject

[balmy condor]

The tooltip also says poison you knob

[warped moon]

i play many of the classes and the flavor is pretty good on most, but with rogue im really left feeling like blizzard has no idea what they want this class to be or do

ie., outlaw

[lone pasture]

long time player

[sick sail]

new assa m+ guide video plz thx

[lone pasture]

?

[balmy condor]

Ironically, I think outlaw is the best of the 3 specs in executing its thematics and concept

[warped moon]

ya but its lame

[lone pasture]

need deathmark to pop a gas mask on and start shitting out poison clouds

[upbeat sail]

is it good enough

[balmy condor]

Okay so it’s not for you then that seems good too

[upbeat sail]

on outlaw ive simmed 160k so im not sure

[lime edge]

Oh full buff

Was gonna say

[balmy condor]

I don’t like the themes of shaman

[sharp viper]

The pirate cowboy spec?

[warped moon]

it's lame jack sparrow nonsense

[frosty cedar]

sorry not paying attention too busy hittim 1.7m envenoms on demiar

[balmy condor]

You can’t compare specs through sims btw

[grave nova]

are there any talents that makes garrote silence anymore?

[sharp viper]

Iron wire still exists

[lone pasture]

we could give outlaw wrangle as a death grip ability

[upbeat sail]

yeaah thats why im askin here is 140k with all buffs acceptable for 19s

[balmy condor]

Yes

[lime edge]

Yea thats fine

[sharp viper]

Yeehaw, matey!

[upbeat sail]

this would unironically be peak

[lime edge]

They should make atrophic poison 8%

Then people will invite us

[lapis lantern]

hi, which is the best encounter helper addon for mythic plus in your opinion atm? dbm? littlewigs? another solution? are they bricked?

[grave nova]

is ambush not used anymore?

[balmy condor]

Blindside automatically swaps your mutilate

[warped moon]

it exists as a proc

[grave nova]

they made this shit easy

its just garrote rupture tempest envenom basically

[balmy condor]

What if they made feint work on all damage

[balmy condor]

Welcome to insert any spec here in midnight

[warped moon]

a lot of classes play this way now

[ornate aspen]

They would still need to attribute the damage to the target. It could be 100% and wouldn't matter if the damage comes from the environment

[spice surge]

Fwiw the vast majority of fights have the vast majority of their damage from the target

[balmy condor]

Can you give me 3 examples where this an issue

[lime edge]

Doesn't atrophic work like 99% of the time

[humble verge]

holy shit

is bnet still laggy as hell

[ornate aspen]

To clarity I'm not saying all the damage comes from the environment, I'm saying rather than buff the % it should just apply to all the damage, which is what it seems like it should be doing

[ocean bear]

Do you still need to envenom the same target for caustic spatter? Say if you accidentally change target, do you make sure to swap back to the "main" one

[spice surge]

If you envenom another target that target now has spatter on it

[balmy condor]

Envenom applies it yeh

[thorn thorn]

I can give you one but its not rogue related

[spice surge]

So you just want to auto attack the target you recently envenomed

[faint mural]

Was there an excel sheet with all the current bugs at one point?

[ocean bear]

But do you lose one spatter going off by hitting that new target?

[lime edge]

Envenom and kb move spatter

[spice surge]

No

[balmy condor]

Last expansion yes, this expansion no

I put the impactful stuff in the pins when it happens

[faint mural]

Too many to keep track of, i get it

[spice surge]

Spatter is applied before envenom

[ocean bear]

Got it thx

[grave nova]

what rotationals buffs do you guys track? Are the fatebound coins even worth it?

[balmy condor]

But right now we don’t actually have something impactful

[balmy condor]

No

[grave nova]

implacable seems important to track

[balmy condor]

Kinda

[spice surge]

Its not useless to track, but i wouldnt really say important

[lime edge]

You def dont want to keep refreshing implacable if ur low on energy

[balmy condor]

You can entirely ignore envenom and implacable and only lose about 1%

[grave nova]

im tracking nothing now but implacable

[balmy condor]

So like

Depends what important means

[ocean bear]

Good to know lmao, time to ignore it

[thorn thorn]

Its from mists of tirna scithe, the debuff from the bugs at the end of the dungeon was considered environmental damage for whatever reason. And preservations Rewind and Golden Hour doesnt work on environmental damage

Wasnt fixed the entire season

But thats healing not DR

Not quite the same

[balmy condor]

And that’s from 2 seasons ago

[lime edge]

Why are both the kb hits and the envenom buff called implacable

[balmy condor]

Because apex talents don’t have different names

They’re one name with multiple ranks

[lime edge]

[balmy condor]

Makes them really annoying to refer to, especially in guides

[loud light]

they could've had a little mini 3 node tree at the bottom but I suspect things UX-wise were getting cluttered enough as it is

[grave nova]

why are we pressing fok in aoe after tempest if tempest does more damage and has longer range?

sorry for goofy questions, just setting things up and making sure i dont miss stuff

[spice surge]

Crimson tempest costs a lot more energy

So if you dont need to spread bleeds, its better to fok

[grave nova]

do you ever mutilate in aoe?

[balmy condor]

no

[grave nova]

envenom is our only spender besides rupture now too?

[lime edge]

Imagine if ct could spread mutilate bleed

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

correct

[balmy condor]

what does this even mean twin

[lime edge]

The talent

That gives mutilate a bleed

[balmy condor]

I guess

[grave nova]

on the flip side, do we ever press fok in ST. Also at how many targets do you swap to fok, just 2+?

[balmy condor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

• Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
• Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
• Mutilate/Ambush otherwise

[grave nova]

ty

[faint mural]

Theres never a reason to go full when playing fatebound, eh?

[balmy condor]

always 5cp

[grave nova]

THISTLE TEA AUTOMATICALLY GETS USED?????????

THIS SHIT IS AMAZING

[lone pasture]

end him

[balmy condor]

hilariously, there was a pretty big crashout about thistle tea being used automatically less than 12 hours ago

[grave nova]

why

thats cringe af

[balmy condor]

some people want to press the button and have the control over it

for some reason idk

it's the most nit picky bullshit to ever get mad about

but ya know

[grave nova]

some people like making their lives more difficult

[balmy condor]

it's the wow community

so anything is a target to bitch about

[lone pasture]

real

[arctic tusk]

surprised tea is still a talent

[lime edge]

Didn't thistle tea used to give mastery

[balmy condor]

yeah

[lone pasture]

I think I'd rather tea was like a auto proc when u pressed a cd

not just when ur low

but ive played assas for a total of 1 key

[balmy condor]

yeh

the problem with that, which is what we used to do via macro

is that people would then bitch about wasting energy because they have infinity energy but then tea pops

[fallow canopy]

Can't make everyone happy

[lone pasture]

theres ways to fix that

but that blizz would

[solar wyvern]

Now that its no mastery tea auto cast is w.w

W.e

[lone pasture]

not that*

[fallow canopy]

People still find ways to overthink it

[balmy condor]

tell that to the guy yesterday crashing out that he bricked a key because he didn't have tea to cast one extra envenom on a mob before it finished a cast

or something like that

[solar wyvern]

As opposed to not using the tea earlier and slowing down the rotation and as such resulting in a similar amount or less damage?

[balmy condor]

idk I didn't get into it

the entire convo was degenerate

[solar wyvern]

Seems like cope to me

Idek what mob requires a must kill situation like that where you arent already immediately prioing it down

That cant be kicked or stopped

[lone pasture]

the ogre caster in windrunner

comes to mind sorta

but thats a strawman arguement no need to think about what that dude was trying to convey

[solar wyvern]

But youre already hitting it and you would have used your tea regardless

Doesnt make sense to me

Haha

[loud light]

manual tea would be effective in a world where the pooling/chaining minigame was way more impactful and you had a little rng to your regen that could be smoothed over with tea charges

but we do not live in that world

[analog field]

the discussion was that if you pop tea in the last 10 sec of a pull then you don't have it later let's say the elephant in MC

and if a second cast goes off you wipe

and it goes off cause no tea

it was like 12 hours ago if you scroll up you ll find it

[solar wyvern]

Ic ic

One could argue you can play around it by just, pooling slightly at the end of a pull if u know u need tea

But its still a mega cope argument

[analog field]

yes this was exactly what was said

[normal mist]

I was there during the whole argument

I wish I wasn't tho

[drifting cloud]

you dont understand this is what makes you time 21s

[solar wyvern]

Im psure youre planning for 2 roars in 22 and only play one mammoth because of this

U could argue the one at start

If ur phys comp

Since everyone just lives anywau

[true lintel]

is there any reason we cast envenom before cds in ST

[normal mist]

envenom buff for KB

its slightly better than not

[faint mural]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
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  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[pallid cape]

what is the best m+ comp with assa?

[solar wyvern]

Probably unhdk arms rsham brew

I think feral + assa is weird cause of 2minute cd overlap

[spice surge]

Being a priority mob in a dungeon when this comp rolls up

[solar wyvern]

XD

[fresh kelp]

double big funnel and single semi funnel spec is crazy