assassination

[earnest remnant]

for dungeons

[low silo]

smol dps brain only understand 1 number bigger

[frosty cedar]

hello, assassination is good in both, you can track bleeds on the regular blizzard nameplates, I think it does it automatically

you dont need to track poisons

[south ember]

cool. Do you also know if I should use crippling poison or does this mess up stuff when you're in dungeons?

[frosty cedar]

usually you just run all 4 poisons if your running the regular m+ build, but if your using the sudden demise build, you can just run amplifying and numbing

i BELIEVE secondary poisoning can proc off non-lethal poison applications so im not sure if its worth dropping crippling with the regular m+ build but i COULD be wrong

[native heron]

I want the bleed build to come back 🙁

[pure moth]

My b.

[analog field]

apparently they changed that with midnight

[static glacier]

Im sv, been sv forever on it too. don't play the ranged specs

[analog field]

so we can drop crippling and run 3 poisons with no issue

[warped moon]

i only run 3

crippling just messes up pulls

[frosty cedar]

Didn't secondary poisoning get added with midnight? Perhaps I'm cooked

[analog field]

it was a talent I think secondary but maybe it was something else in tww which worked with crippling. Ah maybe lethal dose

But now it doesn't

It was saying lethal but it wasn't lethal but now finally it is

[supple monolith]

witch buff yall take in aa?

[static glacier]

crit

[humble verge]

@viscid spear

[supple monolith]

how much crit you have tho

i have 37% crit

[humble verge]

are u 3k yet ash

[analog field]

crit or Vers

[balmy condor]

yeh, you take vers or crit

doesn't matter really which

[supple monolith]

vers why on high keys to survive?

[analog field]

it's the same amount of dmg

or close let's say

and also survivability

[alpine ore]

Is 82k overall dps decent for a rogue at 262 ilvl ? In a +10 key. Idk but I felt so weak the whole time

[balmy condor]

feels low, but there's way too many variables in this equation

[strange wolf]

Prob amounts to are you resetting the empowered garotte or are you just zug zugging

[buoyant herald]

Definitely more than that

[alpine ore]

Well the tank did 1 long pull that lasted the whole dungeon so my only way of empowering garrot was vanish

[buoyant herald]

Sounds like tank pulling one pack at a time

[strange wolf]

Its the first one to think off

[buoyant herald]

Or bad chaining I guess haha

[strange wolf]

There is one issue

In 10’s tanks just walk one line. There isnt any downtine

People dont understand that assa needs restealthing

Depends on the key to ofcourse

[buoyant herald]

I think tanks don’t understand that chaining means pull the next pack when all ranged/danger mobs are dead

[cerulean forge]

sudden demise the build for 80-90 ?

[strange wolf]

And after the four main factors are accounted for. Then the real hard issue. How are you pressing buttons/stats

[alpine ore]

Man I wish I had a log to link haha

[onyx crane]

they don't need it as much as they used to

[jaunty sky]

You def dont need restealths wdym

[strange wolf]

Imo sudden demise even tl +7 keys

[strange wolf]

Not as muchz but empowered garotte is allot of dmg

[onyx crane]

restealthing convo was mostly in deathstalker

[warped moon]

ok so i did the vanish at 11 sec thing but i dont rly understand

bc garrote doesnt seem to get higher than 31 sec

isnt it better to get imp garrote to last as long as possible

like a full minute

[strange wolf]

You only empowered garotte if you have deathmark

Then you force

Ifnot on every pack i pref

[onyx crane]

I am having an issue doing raid dmg

[strange wolf]

Read what i just said

Helps allot

Ifstill issues wowanalyzer

[warped moon]

it just seems like a waste of vanish?

what am i missing here haha

[strange wolf]

Vanish and deathmark have the same cd

So you can just have a big window with it

[warped moon]

yeah i usually save vanish for the 2nd dm

but i see people vanishing at 11 sec

which seems wasteful

[strange wolf]

I dont know why they do that. Maybe they have the two vanish talent?

[warped moon]

oh maybe

[strange wolf]

To extend on a ambush

[warped moon]

maybe thats it

[strange wolf]

Big pp dps window during box

[warped moon]

oh right the puzzlebox

[strange wolf]

Outside of that idk

[onyx crane]

I do about 80-90k dps on a good day on bosses in hc

[viscid spear]

[analog field]

They vanish at 11 cause they will use it for the 2m DM but they gain like 5 sec of imp gar for "free"

it is kinda negligible

[vocal spruce]

hi, which spec is currently best performing in raids? overall on average, not per boss.

[runic hinge]

I never remembered crippling being such a point of contention on this spec and now its like every other day people are asking to drop it

[buoyant herald]

Forced slow of mobs in mplus has always been somewhat contentious but maybe it’s worse for midnight routes? Idk

[warped moon]

it does seem that way

[faint mural]

is it worth running negotiable contract in low keys ?

[earnest edge]

This might be a troll question, but which poisons do we use for M+? I ask because I always get confused between Ampl Poison and Instant Poison.

[earnest edge]

thanks for help ❤️

[runic hinge]

!poisons

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[viscid spear]

[drifting path]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[worthy bloom]

So AoE Blind is still working? Didn't know. Is there something to know about the usage?

[jaunty bluff]

its a good aoe stun

[worthy bloom]

It's good for interruptions in m+ right?

[jaunty bluff]

yeah if your kick is down and a couple casts are going off

really nice in spire with the dragonhawls and whatnot

[worthy bloom]

True

[jaunty bluff]

keeping bleeds up is prio over getting implac to 80 stacks right?

[worthy bloom]

I would think so

Weird that blizzards CDM doesn't show mutilate for me. Found out that it depends on talent tree. I don't have Blindside in my ASSASINATION tree so the mutilate won't even show up in CDM but if I activate it then it's back lol 😄

[hallow bane]

any advice on how to get my caustic splatter damage a bit higher? mine usually is either my 2nd or 3rd most dmg after a run but i am doing keys around the 15 level atm, could it be that the mobs die too quick perhaps or am i just shit

it should be #1 right? not sure!

[rocky violet]

that's where its tuned

usually Gar Rup and caus

for me anyway

[balmy condor]

in giga high keys you might see spatter gar envenom

but yeah 15 probably not enough for that

[hallow bane]

thank you!

[high walrus]

did they massively reduce how much energy venomous wounds restores on kill?

haven't played rogue since tww so decided to alt it

or am I misremembering

[balmy condor]

correct

the on kill energy is roughly 1/10th of what it was last expansion

part of that is the nerf to venomous wounds as a whole

but it was also just bugged and doing more than it should've been

so kind of a double whammy

[high walrus]

[short sparrow]

hi, i made a macro for deathmaark and use 14, puzzle vbox, why doesnyt it work?

[balmy condor]

Deathmark is a GCD

[short sparrow]

okey

[balmy condor]

Box is a channel

[short sparrow]

so if i do press twice

the button

shouldnt it work?

[balmy condor]

No

You’re describing a cast sequence macro

[short sparrow]

hi whispyr, i like the look,and your videos btw, keep going on

so i do have to use trinket manually

[balmy condor]

Also you should be casting them in the other order

Yes

[short sparrow]

frist trinket then DM?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[short sparrow]

but still cant macro them

[balmy condor]

Correc

[short sparrow]

cause on sublety i usually do play

guidon with SD and blades works perfect

[balmy condor]

Well guidon isn’t a channel

Its an instant cast off-gcd

That’s why that works

[short sparrow]

okey that explains it

so if i do make use 14, then use DM

[balmy condor]

But on sub you also can’t macro it like that because of deepening shadows having a delay

[short sparrow]

and i press it once,ll use my trinket

and if i do press it after cast ll do DM?

or still not work?

[balmy condor]

Still won’t

[short sparrow]

i do haver macro..what do u mean and works perfect

on sub

[balmy condor]

Deepening shadows

The talent

[drifting path]

you need to use guidon at least 1s before proccing SDance

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t update instantly

[drifting path]

for this to interact properl;y

[balmy condor]

So you’re wasting the trinket

[short sparrow]

so

my trinket doesnt work?

[balmy condor]

It works

It just doesn’t extend your shadow dance

[short sparrow]

okey

big mistake then

[balmy condor]

Ye

[short sparrow]

so i do have to usr trinket manually

and then press the macro

[balmy condor]

Yep

[short sparrow]

why do they make our life hard? i mean ....

we are progressing in drakes mythic

do u belive assassination is better from sub tbh? i do have gear for both specs

[fair crypt]

how important is re stealth in m+ cause some tanks don’t let me

[balmy condor]

Depends on what the pain point is, but usually assa is better boss damage and intermission add damage

Which is the standard issue

Sub just bursts the orbs

[short sparrow]

oni thats i can answer u, is quite, if u plan aoe,but u may vanish to reaply garrote, and extend bleed and 20% more

[balmy condor]

Going from all the restealths/vanishes to no restealth ever, no vanish casts, basically 100-0

Is roughly 5%

[short sparrow]

is adds in mythic so hard? i means devour shall destroy them

[balmy condor]

If you’re holding vanish for big chain pulls, you can make up the vast majority

[fair crypt]

oky thanks don’t seem too bad yeah

[balmy condor]

The intermission add is rough yes

The orbs not really

[short sparrow]

on 17s i do now,vanish is quite important

[fair crypt]

wdym u do now?

[balmy condor]

I think he means he’s doing 17’s now and saying vanish is important in those keys

[fair crypt]

yeah

[short sparrow]

yes, vanish is quite a boost if used properly, or at least thats why i c

[fair crypt]

was just talking normal re stealths sometimes i can’t get them, ofc im using vanish often

[balmy condor]

Depends on the pull, but usually it’s not that much

[fair crypt]

but i see u say not too much dmg loss

[balmy condor]

It’s legit just improved garrote

That’s the only stealth benefit

[fair crypt]

ye

thought it be bigger than 5% overall

[balmy condor]

So like for an absolute worst case scenario

Take first pull algethar

Take the garrote %, and then divide by 1.5

[short sparrow]

is 25 targets, garotte is no1 skill, 20% more,is like 7% more damage

[balmy condor]

The difference is the impact of imp gar on that pull

So like if garrote did idk

16%

[fair crypt]

yeah i see

[balmy condor]

16/1.5

Is 10.5ish idk

[short sparrow]

do u play improve garrote whispyr?

[balmy condor]

So you lost 5.5% on that pull from no restealth

[fair crypt]

also we spread bleeds before sending cds in big pulls right?

[balmy condor]

Yeah ofc

[short sparrow]

to put point in scent of blood?

[balmy condor]

If you’re playing a high enough key to where delaying cds doesn’t mean the add insta dies, then yeah sure

[fair crypt]

i’m sub main but after 16/17s feels like i want the prio dam

oki yeah

[balmy condor]

1/2 scent

[short sparrow]

yes me2, i copy past from u i belive the spec

well i swap, for keys, cause of no priority dps, requires a bit more work than sub

but is doable

problem is..hours wait for an invite mostly

my only wonders tbh, if is leeching poisons worth that much

was wondering about get 3 points from there and get sudden demice, seems nice..but dont know the theorycraft, seems none play it..so must no worth

[balmy condor]

sudden demise is a bit of a meme talent

but I'm not sure what that has to do with leeching poison

[short sparrow]

u canot have both

so was wondering if get points on other side

[balmy condor]

leeching poison is on the class tree

[short sparrow]

oh yes, confuses name sry is 6 morning here

dashing scoundrel

[balmy condor]

yeah if you would play sudden demise you would do this

[short sparrow]

yes only wonder if worth tbh

[balmy condor]

not in high keys, no

sudden demise doesn't really "do damage"

it just takes damage that you would've done anyway, and deals it instantly

great for making your damage meter looks bigger

not great for actually doing the key

[short sparrow]

okey

got u

u just steal damage

[balmy condor]

exactly

[short sparrow]

from others,when mob is low

[somber sparrow]

But it does help you avoid wasting rupture or garrote when you refresh when enemy is low hp erroneously

😄

[short sparrow]

if is like 12 seconds

the rule is not reply,when mobs die soon

re-apply*

[balmy condor]

yeh

[somber sparrow]

I haven’t tried sudden demise in midnight though. Is a low key anything under 15?

[balmy condor]

yeah under 15 is probably fine for demise

[short sparrow]

about implacable , is like when we do 5 envenom in row..we let it drop or what?

[balmy condor]

yep

[short sparrow]

seems stupit to reward me

for not-doing evenom

[balmy condor]

you hit 80, drop envenom, get energy

[short sparrow]

i mean..who da fak design that

[balmy condor]

intelligent people that understand the dynamics of resources on the spec

it's a very well designed talent

the pay-off just kinda sucks

[somber sparrow]

We already have been used to pooling this just helps

Encourage it

[short sparrow]

wouldnt be better to reward u as long u keeping the buff?

[balmy condor]

no

because that's just rewarding doing nothing

[short sparrow]

so is thewre a tracker, to see the stacks u do got?

i count them manually,tbh

[balmy condor]

there's no gameplay in keeping the buff

yes, it's a buff

you can track it on the cdm like anything else

[short sparrow]

so cd manager

okey

[short sparrow]

isnt nothing maintain a buff via spending fast cbs and do circle,isnt nothing, i do agree is more skill-express to let it drop..but seriusly, feels like shit

[onyx veldt]

outside DM/KB do you perma drop evenom when you reach 80 or only when youre getting low in energy

[balmy condor]

well there's nothing to maintain on envenom

envenom is 100% uptime without even tracking the buff

[marsh fjord]

Hi pookie

[balmy condor]

as long as you don't overcap energy in the process, you always drop it

[onyx veldt]

f

[balmy condor]

hello

[onyx veldt]

[marsh fjord]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050078382018265178/1454397083413909630/ezgif-395a166e2e34663d.gif

[balmy condor]

for reference right, lets say you actually "maintain envenom" by refreshing the buff with ~1 second remaining to maximize the uptime

you would have 185% uptime on the buff

full uptime, and then 85% waste

[short sparrow]

well i do track ENV, so i can refesh is a long i can delay it

[balmy condor]

maintaining the buff already rewards you in multiple ways with dashing scoundrel, rapid injection, inspiring strikes

the issue is that implacable is the only thing on the other side of that

interesting gameplay exists when there's a balance between letting it drop and keeping it going

and right now keeping it going is entirely free and zero effort

while letting it drop isn't very rewarding

[short sparrow]

well , someday we do hope they pay some attention to the class

i rerolled rogue in midnight due to guild needs [was DK 12 years]

[balmy condor]

rerolling from dk to rogue is definitely a choice

not a good choice

[short sparrow]

my expirience in class, is feeling our designer dont spend time play the class

i do what guild needs

[balmy condor]

in what world do you need a rogue over a dk

[short sparrow]

problem is class, brings nothing,and damage is medium tbh, well someone had to bring atrophic

[balmy condor]

nahhhhhhh

[short sparrow]

but seems..it works only on boss AA

[balmy condor]

atrophic works on pretty much everything

[short sparrow]

are u sure?

[balmy condor]

it's just not a good reduction

yes

[short sparrow]

well they could buff it a bit,to be..interesting buff like a total 8%

[balmy condor]

that would be pretty crazy

would make us required though

[short sparrow]

is 3,6%

all class bring something

required

apart us

[marsh fjord]

Last season i was rogue and i wanted to see how DK was feeling, and i didnt really enjoy it that much so im back on the rogue

[short sparrow]

Dk, is ok

even i did prefer wounds system

is quite survival, good aoe, brings something to the table

[balmy condor]

funny enough, as a rogue I'm soaking every group soak on belo'ren

[short sparrow]

circle is..for kids with rework

[balmy condor]

but I can only do that

because of death knights

without an AMZ I can't solo it

[short sparrow]

feint

[balmy condor]

even when rogue is doing jobs no one else can do

[short sparrow]

does it count as aoe the soak?

[balmy condor]

I still need those fucking cocksucker death knights

[balmy condor]

yes

but feint alone isn't enough

[short sparrow]

prolly not

no cloack u dead

[balmy condor]

feint + amz is enough to not proc cheat

feint alone procs cheat

[short sparrow]

feint is a good mechanic

or rogue tbhm due low cost

[balmy condor]

need to save cloak to clear orbs though

[short sparrow]

i find it quite asuring in dungeons

ofc isnt AMS

[balmy condor]

yeah the problem with feint is that you live everything with feint, but if feint doesn't work you just fall over

[short sparrow]

but still very good, due to practically 80% up time if u want

ams,is still king most iconic dk ability with dg

so one more clarification on bleeds [ thanks a lot for trinket explain btw]

i do put garote and rupture, i do use crimson tempest to spread

[balmy condor]

so far so good

[short sparrow]

does it matter what target i do got when i press CT? sometimes i find my bleeds arent spread,or are spread in like totall difrent durations

[balmy condor]

no

CT just does its own thing

[short sparrow]

so i can swap target

[balmy condor]

it's a little buggy and sometimes just... doesn't spread?

but it's pretty minor

[short sparrow]

he finds and automatic spread the most duration

[balmy condor]

yes

[short sparrow]

well i find out sometimes,i do put bleeds to all

thats why am asking

[balmy condor]

the longest bleed should always be your main target

the ones that CT spreads too are always slightly shorter

[short sparrow]

okey

that explains why i c then in lower seconds duaration

so, unless i put bleed to all

no evenom use?

i mean on 5 cb

or 7cb

cause i can do more spread and then envenom

or when i get 5cb i use evenom no matter if i spread all

[tame knoll]

5+ because you could be wasting CP if I'm not mistaken

[balmy condor]

always 5

[short sparrow]

let me rephrase it properly

i do got 10 targets

i got bleeds on 6

and 5cbs

do i use CT to spread and go 7 then evenom

[tame knoll]

Envenom

And then CT

[short sparrow]

or enveom, no matter if all got bleed

[balmy condor]

you envenom at 5cp

[short sparrow]

okey

[balmy condor]

ct/fok/mutilate are generators

you do not press them at 5cp

[tame knoll]

Unless you generate wife aggro and look away for two seconds 👀

[short sparrow]

so rupture too on 5 cbs

[tame knoll]

Yes ^_^

[short sparrow]

or worth 7 before dm and spread

[balmy condor]

yes, also 5

[tame knoll]

If you hit 5 CPs apply rupture if needed. If not needed Evenom.

[balmy condor]

if you're at 5, you use a finisher

there is no situation where you ever press a generator at 5

[tame knoll]

Honestly I'm really hoping for some good rogue attention soon.

Let me rephrase. Good Assa attention soon

[short sparrow]

well CT

was attention tbh, compared be4

i liked the change tbh

before that..sry was shitplay

[tame knoll]

I'm mainly talking about a little number fluffing. I like the playstyle. Hero talents not so much but myeh.

And for the love of all things I hate the puzzle box LMAO

[short sparrow]

well..if they fix energy a bit

would be ok

i do belive, energy doesnt regeneration via poisons and talents correct in aoe

or at least in big aoe

with so many targets i should be ..perma 100

[marsh fjord]

well thats what they changed from last season to now

[short sparrow]

so i do belive we got bugs

[marsh fjord]

It's a design decision

[tame knoll]

I'm not finding myself sub 75% energy in most aoe circumstances

[marsh fjord]

You actually have more energy in ST now then last season but in aoe you dont

[tame knoll]

Because FOK doesn't cost a lot

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor What was it again 8 energy per target? and now its 1 right?

Before the changes

[tame knoll]

As soon as numbers start dwindling that's different

[balmy condor]

8 to 3

and the target scaling

[marsh fjord]

ah it was 8 to 3

[short sparrow]

Fok shouldbe removed,and exist only CT imho, i find it no reason exist nowdays

[balmy condor]

the target scaling is kinda confusing

[tame knoll]

I disagree.

[balmy condor]

well fok/ct exist because it's energy management

[tame knoll]

CT spreads bleeds. It's already an amazing ability for us in AOE therefor it costs more to use

[short sparrow]

brb getting breakfast, but i do enjoy the conversation tonight seems isightfull, learning things

[grave nova]

On a scale of sub to outlaw, how simple is sin?

[balmy condor]

much closer to sub than to outlaw

[grave nova]

Last i remember i had to manage like 4 different bleeds and energy and all this stuff, is it still that way? Last i play was s3 DF

[balmy condor]

it's been simplified since then

but that is the core of it, yes

I'm not sure what the 4 bleeds would've been

I can only think of garrote, rupture, crimson tempest

crimson tempest isn't a dot anymore

so that's at least -1

[grave nova]

This was it

Its more than 0 so thats a lot

[balmy condor]

dot spec has dots

[grave nova]

Is crimson like black powder now or something?

[balmy condor]

it's a generator like fan of knives which spreads bleeds

[grave nova]

Awesome

Sub is just starting to underperform and i refuse to play current outlaw

[main bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768846729079685161/1473753453154013344/no.gif

[royal hazel]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[royal hazel]

is jundies platy profile working for you'll ?

[hoary remnant]

Yes

[royal hazel]

giving me heaps of lua's and basically slowign the f down

*platynator

[hoary remnant]

That ain't the profile

Try default platy and see if it persists

[royal hazel]

unfortunately tried everything and when i switch to jundies it lua's

[hoary remnant]

Or whispyrs

[royal hazel]

all other profiles are fine

so weird

might try plater with jundies

[hoary remnant]

Post first 5 lines pls (not the whole error)

[hoary remnant]

It's 100% you since for example I use it and lots of others

[royal hazel]

i used jundies a few months back

and just grabbed the latest one from wago, override mine and boom

offset scale is that correct

[hoary remnant]

Delete saved variables from platy (make a backup) and install the profile fresh again. Should work. If not revert to an older platy version

[royal hazel]

Thx boss

[frosty oxide]

Am I crazy or is the Deal fate talent bugged and not procing with seal fate all the time?

[balmy condor]

what's a situation where you're seeing that

should just give you +1 cp

[frosty oxide]

So if I crit with Mutilate and I have seal fate and deal fate it should be five?

[balmy condor]

if you crit with both mutilate attacks, yes

[frosty oxide]

Ok, 👌

Didn't realize that each attack on Mutilate had to crit.

[balmy condor]

yeah, mutilate is 2 cp baseline

+1 cp for each hand

and if either hand crits, then deal fate gives 1 additional

so you should either get 2, 4, or 5

[crude helm]

wait

this supports my shiv at 4 cps cope

since you cant get 3

[balmy condor]

I mean

it does support the cope

in much the same way that "if I look out my window, the earth isn't curved" supports flat earthers

[jade abyss]

Wait the earth is not a ball?

[runic hinge]

It’s a hotdog

[balmy condor]

the earth is a donut

[reef flower]

Speaking about shiv, any addons to show when to use it to dispell enrage easily?

[buoyant herald]

You can track enrage effects on nameplates

[rare stone]

96 M Chim parse after my vaction away to sub/outlaw

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-not-leaving-not-fucking-leaving-staying-gif-20904116

[humble verge]

farm parse dont count lil bro

[sweet gull]

whats best classes with ass in mplus highkeys ?

[rare stone]

It does to me (Please don't look at my boss damage)

[subtle tundra]

parses dont count

[rare stone]

Generally I like the female haranir at the moment!

[whole skiff]

Do I envenom at 5cp or nah

[balmy condor]

yep

all finishers at 5cp

[whole skiff]

6 and 7 is just a bonus if you get good crits?

[balmy condor]

yep

[whole skiff]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

you would always generate on 4

because you need 5 or more to flip a coin

and get other bonuses

but generating on 5 or more is just potential wasted cp

[whole skiff]

Same for m+

?

[balmy condor]

yes, this is just core mechanics of the spec

[whole skiff]

Fan of knives, if 5 or more envenom

Thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[pallid cape]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[jade abyss]

Monk Warrior Shaman

Then feral i guess

Typical physcomp

[buoyant herald]

hunter taking that spot atm usually i think

but normally druid yeah

[grim jay]

can do pretty much whatever with the last spot

uhdk and aug are fine even with how strong they are

[balmy condor]

or devourer

cause devourer fits in anything

[grim jay]

oh true, their buff is kinda fine for sin aswell

[narrow nymph]

is there any cap on haste in m+ ?

[balmy condor]

nop

[buoyant herald]

devouring all my dps spots

[narrow nymph]

whats a good % ?

[grim jay]

tbf I get the hype aswell, but holy amount of eyebeams

[balmy condor]

whatever sims highest for your character with dungeonslice

[narrow nymph]

ahh dungeonslice sims are valid now?

back then they were just meh ignore

[grim jay]

they always (?) were

like for ages

[balmy condor]

rogue has been using dungeonslice since legion

[narrow nymph]

oh okey 😄

[grim jay]

they just suck for some other classes

because they dont get maintained

[balmy condor]

or the theorycrafters recommend other stuff

mythic+ sims in general is kind of a big argument in the tc community

[grim jay]

ye, DK people are using dungeonroute iirc

[narrow nymph]

ye thats what my friends told me take this route sim witht that etc.

never use slice

[balmy condor]

mages are still doing patchwerk aoe, but now they're doing composite patchwerk aoes in one sims together

[jade abyss]

I like kitties so i take the feral for insane 3% vers

[balmy condor]

two more steps and the mages will have re-invented dungeonslice

it's almost there

[grim jay]

for rogue its always slice, the other stuff will not get you the same or better results

[balmy condor]

oh boy I get to repost this again

[rare stone]

yeah frost dk discord says to use dungeonroute only (I just patchwerk 8 target, 1 min 30 to save my brain)

[balmy condor]

I don't have the patience to unpack that I'm afraid

[narrow nymph]

thats what i usually do an everything 😄 i do one of that and then ill do one single target and look where my stats could be in a balance

[rare stone]

Literally same lmao

[grim jay]

dslice and dungeonroute both have an adequate amount of ST

so its kinda ST biased

[rare stone]

rogue is only one I dsclice on

[grim jay]

if you do it that way

[balmy condor]

why are we simming aoe and single target seperately in the name of saving brain

instead of just using dungeonslice and getting both

[subtle tundra]

fuck off with your arguments

[narrow nymph]

ye i didnt know that 😄

[rare stone]

Dungeon slice doesn't track frost dk properly even gives a big warning " don't do this innacurate"

[balmy condor]

fuck off with your dicksucking, why isn't my dick getting sucked

[balmy condor]

but dungeonroute does?

that makes very little sense

[rare stone]

According to the frost dk discord

yes

[jade abyss]

Okok that escalates quickly

[rare stone]

Don't ask, i'm just the messenger

hahaha

[balmy condor]

it literally says it's fine

[rare stone]

yeah if you sim cleave build, not the actual M+ build

[balmy condor]

WTB new messenger this one smudged the ink

[rare stone]

Something to do with not tracking frostbane in dslice accurately

[grim jay]

I mean you can end the whole topic with

who plays frost anyways

[balmy condor]

truth nuke

[rare stone]

After the new patch it'll be the best dk spec it looks like

[narrow nymph]

again?

since DF lst season DK always meta i mean comn man

[grim jay]

big doubt for M+

[narrow nymph]

rog only had 1/2 meta once legion and 1 bfa XD

[idle socket]

if i put my dots on a boss before a increased dmg taken phase starts like bird in AA or last boss in seat, do i need to reapply them or not? and how to time my marks perfectly to pop in dmg phase?

[rare stone]

For context too

[balmy condor]

no, the damage taken is dynamic

[rare stone]

That's a lotta warnings

[frosty cedar]

No need to reapply

[balmy condor]

when you press cds depends a little on the duration of the amp

but ideally your first gcd of the amp would be deathmark if the amp lasts the full deathmark, otherwise kingsbane should be your first gcd if its shorter

[idle socket]

ok then i have to research, dmg amp in seat is a bit but the amp in AA is pretty short right? only when boss is stunned right?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[idle socket]

ok ok thats tuff to time

[balmy condor]

I mean if you're playing assa, you can't really time it around that

you're playing a dot spec trying to condense a 20 second window into like a 5 second window

just won't work

[idle socket]

im new to assa tbh swapping from outlaw and want to minmax

acutally not swapping but imo assa is better in some situations so i need to learn

[idle socket]

how are you playing these bosses ? just send it when amp starts?

[balmy condor]

puzzle box right before the amp starts, then cds

[idle socket]

ok so puzzlebox in AA when last orb get put in and seat when the cast is about to end ig

thx for your advices my goat

assa seems real fun ngl

[balmy condor]

it is fun, dots and poisons are great

[idle socket]

ye but yesterday i did some keys with a frostmage premade and we both took same targets thats a bit meeeh

[grim jay]

there sadly are quite some classes that have a maintarget

so its kinda ew

[keen raven]

basically in keys if you need more aoe/prio dam and can align ur 2mins into executes on bosses its better

Asa absolute melts prio targets

[echo hound]

In M+, if your garotte is about to run out, do you refresh rupture aswell before spreading with CT regardless of time left on rupture? Like if you have 3 seconds left on garotte do you reapply rupture aswell before CT even if rupture has maybe 12 seconds left or do you just CT the Garotte and wait for rupture pandemic Window and CT again?

Dont know if that made Any sense ^

[keen raven]

depends on how long the pack will live

if you think itl live outside the rupture window then yea

or if you think itl be chained into next pack then yea

[echo hound]

So assuming the pack lives Long enough, its fine to respread a rupture with more than 8 seconds left?

[keen raven]

its all just dependent on how long the pack will live

you always want bleeds rolling till they die

so if ur rupture is gonna run out and has like 7secs left and theyre gonna live 15-20 you should reapply

[echo hound]

That makes sense thanks. Im thinking you would want to limit the amount of CT’s you cast over FoK where possible if all targets have bleed

[keen raven]

a lot of the times in higher keys tho ill reapply improved garrote/rupture early in a pack when u dont get full value

because i know ill have the energy for ct

vs when theres less mobs

so like even tho my garrotes at say 15sec ill vanish garotte/rupture again and reapply cts

its kinda just a feel thing/getting used to how packs are pulled/higher key levels

same thing with i actually apply a non improved garrote over my old garrote if the tank is chain pulling if it has a couple secs left so i can ct earlier/etc

I really wish they made thistle tea not auto use cus in keys it is actually grief

if youre smart you can actually not proc thistle tea and save it for scenarios like an upcoming boss/prio mob/scary pack/etc

[echo hound]

Yeah Thistle tea as a whole feels horrendous or rather horrendous when you dont have it. I do not understand how blizzard could argue that that is a fun talent in its current itteration

[keen raven]

They just need to make it so its not auto use..

idk why you cant toggle it

its so dumb

[grim jay]

its just more energy

would be less fun for most if it doesnt exist

[grim jay]

absolutely a non-issue

[keen raven]

Wrong

[grim jay]

no its pretty right

[keen raven]

not in high level keys or raid

for pure sim/st sure

[grim jay]

there aswell

[keen raven]

but not in high skill expression

[grim jay]

yes even there

[keen raven]

last thing ud wana be doing

is using a thistle tea

on a mon

mob

with 2% left

it is awful

[grim jay]

you could just not mindlessly spam your buttons. wait, that sounds like skillexpression

what a plot twist

[keen raven]

which is what u dob

but they should just make it an on use

making an ability auto use is awful

[grim jay]

it was and people were crying

it absolutely doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things, even less in raid than it does in m+, but in m+ the situations where you could waste it are niche

and definitely the players own fault aswell

[keen raven]

theres a lot of scenarios where u could waste it

its just bad

it just feels bad

[grim jay]

no there is just one, which is you spaming buttons for no reason

[keen raven]

just agree to disagree

[grim jay]

if the last mob has 2% hp, you dont really have much of a business to hack away at your keyboard

[keen raven]

if its ab to do its scary mechanic

sometimes u do

rogue is like

1 of the only classes rn

that is omega resource starved

and then that has an auto use on an ability if ur low on resources

its just bad design

im not talking ab it anymore

agree to disagree

[grim jay]

yeah the insane st outside of cds will really get it killed much faster. also what you just said is the definition of a niche situation

[drifting cloud]

fucking tea philosophers

[keen raven]

Happens a shit ton of times in high keys

prob 5-10 times a key

where u have to micromanage not proccing it

[grim jay]

maybe in yours ig, rarely encountered it

[keen raven]

and its toxic af

r u doing 21s?

[grim jay]

rn I'm not doing any high keys on rogue, but auto proc is a thing for quite some time now

[keen raven]

then y r u speaking ont his

lmfao

[grim jay]

because its been a thing for ages

reading is hard ig

[hollow dirge]

another fun debate, arguing preference 😄

[grim jay]

its another braindead argument like "whispyr doesnt do high m+, how dare he do things for sin on that matter!11!111!1!"

[still nymph]

just for the free ambush proc to still proc tea because "yOu WeRe UnDeR tHe ThReShOlD"

[keen raven]

i mean some1 was asking about min max/scenarios for keys

and i gave advice

and then u chimed in saying its a non opinion

when u havent even done keys

lmao

[grim jay]

I did keys in many seasons where it already was a thing, I did 18s and 19s on rogue this season and I'm just playing a different class

idk how you can be that narrowminded

its actually incredible

and I said tea is a non-issue, not that it doesnt feel bad

which is defacto is

[boreal jay]

Nobody likes w8ing on energy not pressing shit right? Even the couple seconds w8ing on envenom to fall off is cringe af

[keen raven]

^

[grim jay]

considering we had many things on that topic over the seasons, it was a non-issue before tea got nerfed and even the actual high m+ers arent complaining

[keen raven]

wasting a thistle tea as a mob is dying or when you didnt wana proc it feels even worse

[grim jay]

we can agree that it feels bad ye

[still nymph]

arent you the one arguing against the option to disable the auto use? you would literally lose nothing for that QoL change?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-spill-the-tea-leticia-raised-eyebrow-gif-8101607618248109144

[grim jay]

no, I'm just saying it is a non issue performance-wise, idk how you start interpreting stupid things into a simple fact

[analog field]

Why does it matter if it is a 21 or a 12?

You don't want to proc tea when the pack is dying but if you do it is not the end of the world

[still nymph]

if people complain about it and lose resources because they happened to press the button again on a high pace spec, then that is the definition of an issue?

[keen raven]

because ur not gonna die to the prio mob in a 12

if its get a 2nd cast off

[analog field]

feelcraft is an opinion but it doesn't mean i can say w/e stupid thing I want and then say agree to disagree

[keen raven]

and the thistle tea can be the difference of dps

vs not

90% of the time thistle tea is a non issue

[analog field]

99% of the time

[keen raven]

but theres still lots of times where auto use is an issue

[analog field]

you losing an envenom casts does not brick a key

sorry ifyou get sad hearing this

[grim jay]

sin isnt a high pace spec, it doesnt impact your dps much at all and just feels bad, the situation where it happens is niche so it isnt regular at all AND I said its non an issue performance-wise

[analog field]

but it is literally mut mut envenom (and even less)

[grim jay]

idk how you can put that much shit into something where it wasnt

[keen raven]

lmao it actually has b4

[still nymph]

not but it feels bad, knowing you couldve spent more CP into your cds, if it didnt proc by itself?

[keen raven]

mt void mobs getting a 2nd cast

[analog field]

In cd's you never need energy

[keen raven]

mc cavern elepahnmt 2nd cast

bunch of scenarios

[analog field]

yes but this is not an envenom cast

I know what mobs do bro you are not the only one doing keys

[still nymph]

idk if you have no haste, but sin plays pretty fast, if repetitive, while you got the energy.

[keen raven]

thistle tea enables multiple

[analog field]

But no mob was like 0.01 %

no thistle tea is exactly mut envenom

or fok fok envenom

[grim jay]

well the case is that you dont have the energy

else it wouldnt auto proc

[still nymph]

thats just a plain lie lol

[grim jay]

and on low targets it is not high pace

[keen raven]

maybe in a 2 target pack XD

[analog field]

especially now with the bug fix

you can pull like 3 sec before cd's

and then PB another 2

if you play the spec correctly you never have issue when going DM KB

I don't know what cooked takes these are

[keen raven]

mobs live outside ur dm kb windows

[still nymph]

yes but i want to spam my buttons to use my ability as soon as i have the energy? but i dont want to use a tea, because i want to safe them for the next pack and/or cds.

[keen raven]

do higher than 15s fam

[analog field]

He said it is bad not having tea on CD's

and i said it is irrelevant

[normal mist]

2026 and y'all still stuck with tea

[keen raven]

shouldnt of even been a discussion/argument

some1 asked some min max tips or key tips

and people chiming in saying its worthless

when its not

[analog field]

it's just a feelscraft thing that someone tries to persuade others it exists

[grim jay]

except that it is

just you say its not

[keen raven]

its okay to be wrong

[still nymph]

you cant spam muti into env for the whole 14s without tea. especially if you are unlucky with ambush procs

[grim jay]

@balmy condor mighty man of data

please enlighten either side

[keen raven]

its not about sim or st or pack data lmao

[grim jay]

is the cup of tea half empty or is it half full

[keen raven]

its the same way

[analog field]

you actually can

[keen raven]

where you could waste thistle tea before a damage amp phase

[grim jay]

well whispyr has an actual brain with knowledge

not only sim data

[keen raven]

and then not have the energy to take advantage of the damage amp

[analog field]

yes and this is skill issue, but yet losing an envenom cast in amp

is not bricking your key

stop telling this to yourself

[keen raven]

99% of the times it doesnt

[analog field]

if you bricked a 21 it is because of skill issue

not losing tea cast

[keen raven]

but it has happened

due to a prio mob living

and getting a 2nd cast off

that kills the group

[analog field]

xd

[keen raven]

and regardless

that isnt the argument

[analog field]

the argument is that thistle tea is fine and irrelevant

everything else is wrong

[keen raven]

the argument is therre is dps gains and merit to holding thistle tea for a next pack/damage amp in keys/high content

[grim jay]

there are minor gains and merit for not wasting minor gains if you could just get them ye

not that they will get you somewhere

[analog field]

I mean there are many ultra min maxes for every spec and this is one for assa

no one disagrees with the idea

we are disagreeing that it makes a difference

[keen raven]

i mean

thats literally

what yall have said

is it doesnt matter

[analog field]

losing 2 auto attacks is way bigger than this

[keen raven]

and makes no difference

[frosty cedar]

what we talkin bout

[analog field]

yeah it doesn't

[keen raven]

hell no lmfao

youre saying

having 0 energy

for a 80% dmg amp

[normal mist]

Tea, again

[keen raven]

has no merit

or change?

[analog field]

dude you are losing an envenom cast

grow up

it is a single envenom cas

[frosty cedar]

[analog field]

not the end of your life

[keen raven]

and if ur using 2 thistle teas

[analog field]

what if you use 4?

[keen raven]

im done with the convo gl

[hollow dirge]

why the fuck are people so agressive about thistle tea for 😄

[balmy condor]

I'm not getting into this

[hollow dirge]

i mean I know we're more energy starved than used to this season, but keep the addiction at bay please

[normal mist]

There's nothing else to do @hollow dirge

[grim jay]

how auto using a tea will brick your key because its insanely impactful

[keen raven]

idk i just was giving tips to people asking about things they can optimize into high keys

and a bunch of angry monkeys chimed in

[analog field]

we are not though 😛

[keen raven]

saying its wrong

[still nymph]

in this example i wouldve wasted casts during my cds if tea wasnt ready. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2d79vMX3QATzwWbD?fight=10&type=resources&source=90&start=10986108&end=11017331&spell=103 it happens quite often

[grim jay]

dang, thought I could drag you down with us with some poetic ping

[balmy condor]

you both have points and you're both aggressive and I can't be fucked to deal with either of you at 2:30 in the morning

that's my take

figure it out in dms if you care that much

[hollow dirge]

hey, it's 11:35 am , the fuck you on about

[grim jay]

ye fr

[analog field]

this guy living in the past

[grim jay]

literally using the wrong time

[hollow dirge]

minmax your time zones , puto

[frosty cedar]

its 10:35 bro

[normal mist]

Yeah 1035

Long live England

[frosty cedar]

you guys should be aware that the UK invented time, thats why our time is +0 btw

all of you have fake time

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/cartoon-kawaii-hungry-yum-monkey-gif-1272955019452605267

[frosty cedar]

just saying

[hollow dirge]

chromie disagrees hard

[normal mist]

Portugal and England share time zone so we both correct

[frosty cedar]

portugal and england giga worlds longest alliance 🫂

[normal mist]

About to say it

Lol

[frosty cedar]

are you portuguese my goat

[normal mist]

Yes

[frosty cedar]

thats my goat right there

[hollow dirge]

does time actually jump a bit by using thistle tea with no energy? think about it.
if you didnt use it, your next envenom would be 2 sec later

[grim jay]

I once supported portugal in a world cup, am I part of the cool guys?

[hollow dirge]

so you jumped 2s in time

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-monkey-gif-17161736773310556283

[frosty cedar]

the tea argument has entered the time dilation phase

[hollow dirge]

chronobound, new hero talents

final talent unlocks the ability to disable auto use

[grim jay]

nah it will be tea sommelier

[normal mist]

Yall worried about tea, I was worried I'd never get a hero belt to use a catalyst charge

[still nymph]

i still think it is wild to be against options. let people have their cake lol

[grim jay]

I still think its wild that you dont get that noone was against that

[still nymph]

he was tho

he actively said no

[grim jay]

where

[pallid cape]

am i doing something wrong, whenever i try to sim for slice it takes like 30 mins

[hollow dirge]

use tea

[grim jay]

slice takes longer

but 30min sounds wrong

[frosty cedar]

maybe top gearing for slice omegalul

[pallid cape]

done a whole key and its still on 92%

[normal mist]

You might have the replace gems and enchants option on

[grim jay]

are you doing gems or something?

ye

[still nymph]

i would say this translates to "no, i say you dont need it"

[pallid cape]

is it bc its droptimizer not top gear?

[grim jay]

good that you are just interpreting and its not remotely what was said

[keen raven]

Davyn just likes to insult people

says enough

[still nymph]

the whole conversation was you saying "no, it doesnt matter". why not leave it be then, if the only demand was "we should get a toggle"

why would you argue if you agree?

[grim jay]

oh no, the victim card. I didnt use an insult and I wont stoop to that level of discussion

[keen raven]

cus he likes to argue/insult people

for no reason

[grim jay]

it was about it not having relevant impact

it was even said multiple times that it can FEEL bad

[frosty cedar]

how about we just remove tea as a talent

[grim jay]

yes please

[hollow dirge]

i agree. replace it by coffee, grant 200 energy

[still nymph]

was it?

[grim jay]

yes

that was about performance impact

[frosty cedar]

you dont really play around tea at all. If you are coming up to a ST dmg amp phase with CDs and your not running blindside, yes, you can run out of energy during DMKB if you start your DMKB at like 100 energy, so just pool a little before the amp phase if you have no tea, on multi target you aint gonna be running out of energy anyway

[still nymph]

no, it was a reaction to "Yeah Thistle tea as a whole feels horrendous or rather horrendous when you dont have it. " into "it should not auto use". it was feel since the beginning

you dont need to play around it. sure. just as you dont need to shiv for the last CP on DS, but it gives depth

[hollow dirge]

optional 2 tier talent building into it, matcha , and cocaine, matcha changes your skin color to green when you use it, cocaine change is you get 1000 energy over 15 sec, but you crash after , lowering your energy regen by 30% for the next 15 sec after the buff part expires

[grim jay]

he literally said it was griefing his performance before. I wont argue about actual text comprehension

fam

just let it rest

[frosty cedar]

im a cocaine rogue personally

[hollow dirge]

bet

[keen raven]

A lot more scenarios then this

dmg amp phases or prio mobs where ur not in cds

where saving tea is a big increase

its just optimization/min max

[frosty cedar]

im not really an expert on m+ so sure I can see that, but you definitely never play around it in raid 👍 im guessing yall were talking about m+

[still nymph]

i see it the same. it is not a massive gain, but it is a measurable one. therefore i just want the option to disable auto use

[keen raven]

whole argument is it isnt a non factor and there is unique scenarios that can make an impact or increase ur dps, should just have the ability to toggle it to use/auto use

[keen raven]

yea its mainly m+

might be like 1 scenario and raid where u can hold it but thats ab iut

but in keys theres a lot

[frosty cedar]

sure, some packs with tea available feel completely different to some without, if your talking about a no CD angle with say low target count so your not saturated anyway, or your coming into the pack off a chainpull at low energy

personally I was a fan of being able to press tea rather than it being auto consume

[keen raven]

also scenarios where you might actually not be able to ct in a pack

bunc hof stuff

[grim jay]

I was a big fan of not having tea

[frosty cedar]

but if they made it auto consume they might as well have just buffed are default energy if they wanted to achieve that

[grim jay]

[keen raven]

id much rather just have this

no other class rn is waiting simulator

[hollow dirge]

with specs being simplified, I salute getting some buttons back, even if impact is minimal. i miss shiving our cds. even if they wanna call it toxic blade and leave our shiv for enrage dispell only

[still nymph]

if you dont press it manually it basically isnt there anyway

[keen raven]

i liked shiving cds too

[frosty cedar]

i prefer shiv being gone thank god

[grim jay]

I never liked on demand resource skills in the first place

unless its coupled with cds

[hollow dirge]

nooo, but you're a cocaine rogue

🙁

[still nymph]

i like shiv to get the extra CP, but i dont like how DS plays lol

[normal mist]

So I watched a bunch of Instagram reels. Are we still stuck in the tea conversation?

[frosty cedar]

nah

[still nymph]

no we spilled everything

[grim jay]

why did you trade reoccuring rogue topics for insta brainrot

[normal mist]

Brainrot?!

[hollow dirge]

now that's an addiction , these energy addicted fucks got no clue how far a rabbit hole can go

[normal mist]

All I see is family reels

[grim jay]

seems like you still have a blessed algo

[normal mist]

My algorithm is doomed ever since I got my child

[hollow dirge]

i know

[grim jay]

how is it doomed

thats peak

[normal mist]

Because i can't stop crying

[hollow dirge]

child advice memes all around

[normal mist]

With random stuff

I see something cute I cry

[hollow dirge]

ok, a girl dad

just like me

[normal mist]

Goddammit it having this girl was the best thing that ever happened

[hollow dirge]

like hits you fast

[cunning needle]

!tea

[normal mist]

Dad girls unite!!!

[cunning needle]

this guy?

[normal mist]

I've no idea who that is

And I'm afraid to ask

[cunning needle]

https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/gender-diversity/article/3312898/japan-cutest-lolita-character-dad-2-and-singer-says-girly-look-makes-music-softer

tl;dr father of 2 dresses up in lolita fashion for work

[normal mist]

Does it bring in big money?

If yes, totally worth it

[grim jay]

did you see the dad dressing up in pink ballerina clothes and dancing

[normal mist]

The big matcho dude?

[grim jay]

yes

[normal mist]

Absolutely

[grim jay]

its so fucking awesome

[normal mist]

What a man does to make his little girl smile

[quiet star]

should we try to pool energy before kingsbane? and if yes how much?

[frosty cedar]

you can, its not a gain to do it and its not a loss not to do it

[cunning needle]

pool thistle tea

[quiet star]

oh ye, multiple envnoms wouldn't make a lot with kingsbane

so idea is to have as many autoattacks/fan as possible to apply lethals?

[frosty cedar]

envenom buff is like 95% uptime anyway, so yeah, you basically stack the most by just auto atacking

[hard mason]

just keep the envenom buff up and stay glued in melee and you fine

[quiet star]

thx

[static glacier]

This guy is too op at makeup

[cunning needle]

its rather impressive

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[latent kernel]

does sanguine vial work in m+?

i see zerocool running it

[balmy condor]

if you're able to get the killing blow on something, sure

[latent kernel]

seems like all these talents are building around sudden demise maxxing

bring it back

[latent kernel]

do m+ mobs technically drop experience?

even if u cant enter a key until max level

[balmy condor]

yes

[nova aspen]

holy hell, there is a feet decor for your pfp

[balmy condor]

there is

it's great isn't it

[nova aspen]

at first i thought it was hands clapping

but it is indeed feet

[grim jay]

[low silo]

Is death stalker still considered "better" in keys? I don't see anyone using it even in the high content

[balmy condor]

no

it's considered really bad

hasn't been good at all this expansion, thank fuck!

[native heron]

I do wish sudden demise was still good,

[low silo]

Hot take: I actually like the death stalker minigame

[silk merlin]

hmm i seem to struggle abit with aoe on m+ i feel like i spam CT but it doesnt spread bleeds out consistanly.

[low silo]

Petition: bring back the kyrian minigame

[frosty cedar]

[balmy condor]

which of the mini-games

[frosty cedar]

and may it continue to be awful

[low silo]

All of them

As an outlaw main I need 7 plates to spin