assassination

[royal lantern]

outlaw is literally still stronge then it was 2 weeks ago btw

[lime edge]

Atrophic

[waxen oyster]

or like

you could slot havoc into phys comp

and its better

still

[olive falcon]

Yeah I am saying during this week outlaw was strong, it was getting better and now it's back to doom

[little tulip]

5 target cap fury likes uptime like uhhh

[lime edge]

I mean

[little tulip]

i dunno chocolate on pringles

[lime edge]

Assa is pretty good in high keys

Lol

Idk about ur outlaw

[waxen oyster]

so is havoc

havoc has actual funnel damage

not meme shit

[olive falcon]

I just really enjoyed outlaw since it wasn't as cooldown based as any other dps spec

[lime edge]

How is assa meme dmg

[waxen oyster]

im saying funnel

have you seen how dumb wounded quarry can get

[lime edge]

Assa has ultra giga prio dmg

And ur dmg in general is buffed in aoe

[waxen oyster]

its not better than havoc's

you literally ripped a big mob in two with that shit

and they got their 12 hit bd as a new talent

[lime edge]

Assa does that aswell

[fallow canopy]

Havoc funnel is insane is his point

Not that they do insanely more damage than us or anything

[lime edge]

All im gonna say

I haven't seen a havoc out dmg me yet

[waxen oyster]

all the good dhs are playing devourer

so uhh

lol

[fallow canopy]

Hard to find something that barely exists

[lime edge]

Same thing for devourer for me

[waxen oyster]

i said good

[lime edge]

Every devourer I get does tank dps

Even in a decent key like 15

[waxen oyster]

15 isnt decent

idk

the good ones are higher

[lime edge]

The mobs aren't zhp is what im saying

So surely it can ramp

[little tulip]

their kick is a large dps loss

roll sub

and uh cheap shot regularly

[waxen oyster]

yeah the ones that care to key

[lime edge]

The same way assa sucks in low keys

[waxen oyster]

are already way higher

in a meta caster comp all the classes buff each other

in a rogue phys comp you just kind of mooch off other people's buffs

while not buffing them

[solar wyvern]

You dont play AR this season btw

Just puttin my havoc 2 cents in

[waxen oyster]

well devourer doesnt have AR

[solar wyvern]

Yeah and the best havoc player isnt playing AR

[lime edge]

In rogue phys comp everyone else still buffs each other

[waxen oyster]

i mean personally i enjoy felscarred

[solar wyvern]

Xd

Well

[waxen oyster]

it was just a point that AR's funnel is redonk

[solar wyvern]

Highest rated

Ye but its overall in keys is not

[waxen oyster]

true

but im more saying its a tunning pass away

since the design is there

[solar wyvern]

Well yeah so is assa

[waxen oyster]

ds assa?

[solar wyvern]

They can make scent max at 30 agi and give 3/6% per stack

[lime edge]

I mean even without ds ur prio dmg is giga

[solar wyvern]

Just a tuning pass away

[little tulip]

i don't even want myth guidon

[waxen oyster]

i feel wounded quarry is better than scent

personally

[little tulip]

i just want some myth main set gear

[solar wyvern]

Ehhh depends

S2 tww assa funnel for example

Was nutso and on par with AR

[waxen oyster]

well it was good in s3

until bug

then

LMAO

[solar wyvern]

Ye rip s3 assa

[waxen oyster]

yeah but didnt s3 tierset double AR quarry value

doubled the slashes

[royal lantern]

oh common, stop with that circlejerk shhit man

[solar wyvern]

Psure it tripled them actually

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

and that became part of their hero tree

yeah it was a crazy high number

[paper ether]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[lime edge]

When is s2

2 months?

[solar wyvern]

Ye s3 havoc was nutso

[waxen oyster]

i used to pull shit onto bosses on vdh and mog most dps

on boss dam

[waxen oyster]

yeah to the point people said i was trolling play fs on a 10-12 key

lmao

[solar wyvern]

Xd

Felscarred was actually pretty gud

It just wasnt AR

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[solar wyvern]

🥀

[waxen oyster]

if you were doing piss keys imo fs was better

with no big target to quarry

[solar wyvern]

Ye blow up pack and move on

St was also much better

[waxen oyster]

lmao

average fotm havoc didnt know how to play st

without a gorrillion souls

fs st was 100% better but alot of people straight up played AR st wrong

@solar wyvern or you got a freak like hawwk who gaps people playing inertia AR

did he quit

[solar wyvern]

He tanked for us

This tier

We had a bit of a emergency sub

Joeyjanuary popoff

[waxen oyster]

my goat put into tank jail

</3

[solar wyvern]

My goat

He was gonna quit

But we reeled him back in

[waxen oyster]

bored of game?

[solar wyvern]

He didnt like devour and irl stuff

But playing brew requires zero prep or thinking

[waxen oyster]

yeah i cant imagine every dh main likes devourer

[solar wyvern]

So he could just log ib

And raid

[lime edge]

M+ auto queuing when

[thorn thorn]

I was gonna ask why tf all these yellow names are in my assa chat

But then I realized I was somehow in outlaw chat

[lime edge]

U dont even play assa u traitor

[fallow canopy]

[lime edge]

Wish logs had energy gain from keystone, lame

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461330242456256512/1497366676692402327/9qx5f3k.gif

[cerulean nest]

anyone else feel like they get rocked in the ritual sites with all challenges active? i’m like 280 but was getting smacked by even small packs

[frosty cedar]

honestly would be kinda big

[paper ether]

how much of a dps increase is 4set?

[silk merlin]

ehm do we send KB as much as possible or hold it untill deathmark is up again or is that a huge damage loss in m+? i kinda tend to hold that cd for abit because i want it for big burst

[analog hedge]

aight enough internet for today

bleaching my eyes and going to bed

[snow kindle]

Wym? They line up you shouldnt need to hold

[thorn thorn]

Blame shax

He forced my hand

[silk merlin]

for me sometimes they dont depending on the pulls

[snow kindle]

I dont send KB if there is a 10s~ difference

idk if thats reasonable or the best thing to do

but i def dont use if it will desync them further

[main plover]

is it worth to go wound poison over deadly for heal mobs in m+?

or does it cuck damage too much

[balmy condor]

depends on the heal mob

generally no

[main plover]

20 terrace

the big voids

[pseudo light]

terrace, seat, and MC has some mobs

[ornate aspen]

Make your hunter bring a scorpion

[pseudo light]

it will make the key faster using wound on those mobs yes

[balmy condor]

I don't see anyone using it there

think it's just a case of someone elses job

if you're the only wound, then might be worth to swap at the start of the pull then swap back

you lose like 5-6% of your dps

[main plover]

aight tyvm

[cinder seal]

Share my pain, guys.
I'm so disappointed with how bad this season is for Rogue .I was going to bench in my guild even dont entering in mythic raid because of "your class is dog shit", There are almost no rosters with rogue on progression raid, and even if there are 95% of them is subtlety,
If guild have rogue they're trying to replace them. Now I see that a lot of guilds better 1000 rank now prefer to play without them and think that it's okay. I'm currently searching for a new one in my region, and it makes me so sad .😪

[frosty cedar]

assa is op

[coral notch]

If you're at 65% implacable with like 3 seconds left before you get the buff, is it correct to envenom with <5CP to get the 80% regen quickly? It feels right but I'm not sure

[thorn thorn]

!buffs

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1340517677973635152/1484704581362651366/image.png?ex=69bf3264&is=69bde0e4&hm=d107345329547c4c2447c754851eb4e9e5751085af4bff69a8e80a3fd6011f31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[waxen oyster]

you said rogue then also say it's sub

you can't say the entier class is awful then say one spec is good

[frosty cedar]

and sub is bad anyway

[waxen oyster]

yeah its not great

we're decent on beloren

bad at paladins/alleria

so realistically we're not good at 2/4 of the relevant bosses this tier

no one gives a fuck about the first 4 in voidspire

[frosty cedar]

you talk a lot in here, you should play assa instead

change your colour

[waxen oyster]

i play both

[frosty cedar]

[thorn thorn]

Be free of thought

[waxen oyster]

blue is objectively a better color than red though

[frosty cedar]

its kinda turquoise

[solar wyvern]

Im gonna psyop myself and give scruples darkbrew sub a try realize assa just does more aoe still and call it a day

[waxen oyster]

but yeah idk

we're not good this tier but its not int to run rogue

besides on paladins

XD

[frosty cedar]

atrophic is good on paladins

[waxen oyster]

[frosty cedar]

assa is fine

[thorn thorn]

Well you also gotta remember

[waxen oyster]

i do find it funny they nerf cloudcover

and sub is basically back to 12.0

[thorn thorn]

There are a not insignificant number of guilds that will take a green parsing devo over a pink parsing assa because devo is "better"

[waxen oyster]

with slightly higher number

ngl

every good dh i've met loves throwing out slurs

idk how much its changed with devo

[frosty cedar]

devo when pad on adds and bar mega big

woohoo

[thorn thorn]

Racism is directly linked to parsing on demon hunter

[waxen oyster]

idk why

but every good havaoc i ran with always had a timer until next nbomb

usually less than 2d

[frosty cedar]

I feel like I could enjoy havoc if they made it burstier and removed this essence break ability

its just purple rogue

[royal lantern]

what kind of shit guild is that

literally didnt even start mythic yet, but benches people for class?

what the fuck

[frosty cedar]

that is crazy work tbh

[waxen oyster]

Yeah like if you raid top 50

people bench rogue on cosmos and paladins

sure

but that always happens to 1-2 classes a tier

at that level

especially as melee

[ornate aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[severe sparrow]

i have a dumb question about sims. why doesnt picking a 2nd talent set to sim double my number of iterations?

is it not doing every item change with each talent set?

[coral pivot]

Your guild doesn't sound that intelligent

[cinder seal]

yea man , my gm sad "we play with 1 rogue and thinking to replace last one" , my guild is 400 tier

[coral pivot]

Funny

My guild pretty much insisted on having rogue and we're at L'ura atm

Was benched on paladins prog and crown since too much melee is bad

Any other fight I have been in from the start

If you were not playing well they should just say that instead of saying rogue is bad
Especially when they are at a level where the spec won't really matter

[ornate aspen]

Idk that seems pretty common

A lot of guilds are perma benching rogue

[coral pivot]

Perma benching them is odd, but I can agree with some benching because you want people to play

[cinder seal]

I think it's easier for gm to look at the meta, say that your spec is crap, and dont give a shit about it.

[jaunty sonnet]

So, is the assassination rogue the best specialization for Mythic+ dungeons?

[waxen oyster]

”a lot”

[storm forum]

if you mean out of all the specs? no. if you mean out of all of rogue's? maybe on Tuesday when OL gets its brains blown out. THB even after the nerf we're probably all still close enough that you play whatever you're best at, or if you're flexible, which damage profile suits your comp best.

[pine surge]

When people let envenom fall off to pool for energy regen, what are you pressing? Are you just kind of holding dps for a couple seconds?

[frosty cedar]

building up to the next enveom

[pine surge]

Trying to learn assass and the concept is weird to me

[frosty cedar]

waiting for it to drop then immediately envenoming

usually

ofc you only do that if you wont overcap energy

[pine surge]

Ah

Right

[frosty cedar]

if your bleeds are in pandemic you can also reapply

[pine surge]

Do you find yourself having to do that a lot? Or just like long pulls

[frosty cedar]

oh your talking about m+

[pine surge]

Yea

[frosty cedar]

sorry I dont really have standing to help there im an m+ noob, kinda rarely in need to play around apex that much in m+ I feel for aoe packs

[pine surge]

No problem, I assume it's conceptually the same thing

[frosty cedar]

its a gain sure if you wont overcap on energy, but you also need to consider if adds will die in the meantime, or if you will actually end the pack on 0 energy or not

[pine surge]

Just building again and waiting a second

Or respreading bleeds

[frosty cedar]

yeah basically

[royal lantern]

eh

honestly its just

apply garrote, apply rupture, pump CP into Envenom when both are up

use cds on cd

[pine surge]

Gotcha gotcha

I may be overthinking it a lil

Ty

[royal lantern]

probably

[waxen oyster]

throw in ct to build in aoe

probs main diff

send bleach to your tanks mail if they chain late

[pine surge]

It's not worth still using CT to build if everything has bleeds on it right?

[waxen oyster]

tanks that chain super late should be shot

[pine surge]

Yo

[frosty cedar]

i believe on smaller pack sizes its technically still more damage than FOK with internal bleeding but it costs more energy so

[waxen oyster]

yeah

you get fresh internals

[balmy condor]

Ct till bleeds are up then fok

[frosty cedar]

I CT till she start foking

[waxen oyster]

idr the target count its worth to ct

just to refresh ib

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t exist

[waxen oyster]

oh

[frosty cedar]

its likely not unless your energy saturated

[balmy condor]

The fun part is if you have a pack big enough to have energy to spam ct

[frosty cedar]

lmao real

[balmy condor]

You actually run out of time

[waxen oyster]

yep

[balmy condor]

Before you run out of energy

Like you physically cannot spread hard enough

[waxen oyster]

rarely happens in pugs

outside of flower pull of AA

[balmy condor]

First pull algethar is great yeh

[formal stone]

Not sure what im doing wrong but i always seem energy starved quite often. im sure its just me playing wrong right?

[balmy condor]

That’s the spec

[frosty cedar]

very silly pull, hit a fat milly on details on that one the other day

we are starvation enjoyers in here

its not even that bad

[formal stone]

Im playing the M+ spec

[cursive willow]

Nah you're playing the M+ build

[waxen oyster]

yeah its at most 1-2 secs of downtime

[tight ginkgo]

And yet we still spam ct because kierkegaardian knights of faith that we are we nonetheless believe, though it is not possible in this life to spread enough, it may nonetheless be achieved everafter should Whispyr and John Warcraft deem us worthy of it

https://tenor.com/view/the-seventh-seal-ingmar-bergman-gif-4516052851306363127

[frosty cedar]

what

[tacit nest]

What are u guys simming for m+? Dslice?

[frosty cedar]

is my goat saying

[hard mason]

I wish Puzzlebox weren't a thing though. By the time you've finished your opener on trash in a 12 i feel everything already at 50% health xD

[waxen oyster]

12

[frosty cedar]

welcome to demise hours baby

[waxen oyster]

lol

[bronze panther]

Do we ever press slice and dine?

[frosty cedar]

no

[hard mason]

NOpe

[frosty cedar]

me when I dine

[solar wyvern]

Bro my deathmark target dies too fast in 21s sometimes...

[bronze panther]

Do we even track it?

[frosty cedar]

no

its automatic

idk why it even still exists

[solar wyvern]

I should just demise max all keys

[bronze panther]

Its like ambush

[frosty cedar]

demise feels better on ST with ambush ngl

[hard mason]

They even gave the automatic Slice and dice to outlaw. which just really cements why is it even a thing xD

[solar wyvern]

Yeah but does it actually do better

[frosty cedar]

u just triggered my ptsd of pressing that shit

in shadowlands

just rework assa to the original rework version in s1 shadowlands real

[hard mason]

playing classic where ya just slice and dice and melee ;P

[tight ginkgo]

SL doomblade

[spice surge]

The unfortunate part about demise is that it doesnt interact at all with crit

[frosty cedar]

thats why in algethar demise meme keys the sorting hat sorts me into blue team

[spice surge]

So if you truly want to demisemaxx you'd go full haste+mastery

But no crit is kinda oof

[hard mason]

I remember actually enjoying the bleed build With hemmorage and exsanguinate in Legion.

[solar wyvern]

Dont threaten me with a good time

[frosty cedar]

the secret nuclear demise build

real gamers flaskweave mastery flask at 35%

if you dont do that

your not really a demiser

[solar wyvern]

I played a haste mast regicide reward scent build in a 20 pit

As DS ofc

Did not bottom frag

[frosty cedar]

bro is building the wonder weapon

[solar wyvern]

Aware

[tight ginkgo]

demise are the window to the soul

[spice surge]

Probably need some buff to bleeds to make it happen but imagine using the new deathmark talent to demisemaxx

[frosty cedar]

bouncing deathmark demisemaxx

[spice surge]

Target dies from big demise > jumps to new target for a new big demise > jumps to new target etc

[tardy zephyr]

best poisons for PoS?

[frosty cedar]

im sorry what

[solar wyvern]

Thoughts?

Nuked the shit

[frosty cedar]

oh hell yeah

[solar wyvern]

Outta that elemental

We love cherry picking data

To support amazing ubicorn builds

[spice surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1499421825786970174/image.png?ex=69f75fe5&is=69f60e65&hm=6e1e72f5c42d6579d4e24f1e3daa3b3ccff8e863ac3150824be8cf95a61e8673&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=311&height=22

[frosty cedar]

[solar wyvern]

Cook dat fraud

[frosty cedar]

is that the fucking

[royal lantern]

the casual 500% dmg amp

[frosty cedar]

boss where you do 3x dmg in nxp

or whatever

[spice surge]

Yes

[frosty cedar]

fucking hilarious

[spice surge]

It sucks that the rupture talent is hidden behind fucking amplifying man

Who thought that was a good idea

[frosty cedar]

just take amplifying anyway 4head

[quiet star]

in 2 targets we always use aoe rotation right?

[quiet star]

ye, this is super strange

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/despite-all-my-rage-gif-22554865

[frosty cedar]

with blindside talented you still mutilate on 2

but otherwise you use FOK on 2

[strange onyx]

FoK who?

[runic hinge]

me

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ripe sphinx]

how come we spread bleeds after deathmark kingsbane?

[indigo mulch]

More bleeds = more damgur

[ripe sphinx]

how come not b4

[spice surge]

Well you need to get your cooldowns up

You dont want to just hold them for fun

And in most packs you cant really hold your deathmark for 15 seconds before you send anyway

[balmy condor]

They last nearly 20 seconds

[spice surge]

As the mobs will just die before deathmark ends and youll lose value

[ripe sphinx]

i see

ty

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[ripe sphinx]

another question

how does extending improved garrote work?

i didnt understand this

[frosty cedar]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[pearl folio]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ripe sphinx]

ok ok ONE MORE

how come we envenom b4 cds in ST but not in aoe

[frosty cedar]

cause in st we want to get envenom buff for auto attacks proccing poison and slice and dice up already

in aoe its cause if you dont do it quick your mob is most likely just going to die before dm runs out

[spice surge]

if you 100% know the mobs will live longer than your deathmark you can envenom first even in aoe

[frosty cedar]

its also so that all of your envenoms in deathmark benefit from rapid injection etc

[spice surge]

But often better to not risk it and just send

[ripe sphinx]

man

this is so much more thinking than sub

[pearl folio]

for high keys, assa is better then sub now?

[runic hinge]

Maybe

[frosty cedar]

always was

[bronze panther]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[clear knoll]

Do you guys always send envenom at max cp

[runic hinge]

5+

[hard mason]

Only time ya max it is some scenarios if your masochistic and play deathstalker

[royal lantern]

thats not true

[waxen oyster]

cant you consume dn on 5

nowadays

[spice surge]

You can, but you dont want to

Its better to send DN with full cp for more damage

[crisp ermine]

is assa best in raid? i see the single target a bit shitty compared to sub

[fathom minnow]

hey guys, how do u use puzzlebox in m+?
Is any macro possible? or should be separate?

[frosty cedar]

its st is better than sub

[frosty cedar]

cant macro it its on the gcd

[agile geode]

It Is also a cast

Bro what kind of avatar is that

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-guts-berserk-griffith-punching-guts-punching-griffith-gif-27000236

[mortal crag]

Hey, if im just swapping back to assa to give it a go, can I get away with these stats

or do i need to put more into crit

[acoustic roost]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[mortal crag]

Thankyou

[buoyant herald]

has to be separate, but you use it just before DM --> KB

kinda annoying but very powerful so 🤷‍♂️

[old obsidian]

ugh... im wrong?

[knotty forge]

@frosty cedar how did u pull such numbers on drakes, I think about swapping for this and paladins to assa from sub,

I do understand some lil pad action going on

but how

[frosty cedar]

to be honest it was my first time playing the pad build so I just spammed CT on adds

everything else was exactly the same as I usually play it with the normal build

had a pretty good kill timer and while I miss played some add sets due to unfamiliarity with the build we had 1 or 2 dps die so the adds didn't giga explode as fast as normal, it turned out pretty well

[buoyant herald]

I love how the answer to “how did you do so well on [add fight]?” is almost always just “other people died/sucked”

[clear knoll]

why does it recommend the vers/mastery dagger from void

[wicked mica]

Question. Am I overlooking something simple with caustic spatter in m+
I’m still gearing up as this is an alt, but it appears my damage profile compared to better logs has caustic spatter lower.
I’m probably switching targets and restarting my caustic spatter, but just wanna make sure I’m not misreading something

[spice surge]

Just get the highest ilvl dagger you possibly can

Secondary stats are whatever

[clear knoll]

okie

[frosty cedar]

To be honest you can't really mess up splatter unless you take it off your kingsbane target

Even if you swap targets normally, the envenom that applies spatter also cleaves

[clear knoll]

do we still tab to different targets or just stay on prio for big big pulls

[frosty cedar]

Stay on prio always there's no need to swap really

[potent jetty]

well, i just applyed to 15 keys that i already have timed, and got declined in all of them

https://tenor.com/view/frog-sitting-meme-funny-gif-15518043535710952457

[slim pebble]

I’m trying to jump into 16s and it’s a hellscape

[potent jetty]

sadge days, might as well only come back only on season 2

[spice rose]

boys i wanna do 1950 pvp rating for the tmogg enchant, any tips? solo shuffle ? 2v2? solo bg shit? whats the easiest way

[fallow canopy]

that's just the life of pugging as a dps

[wicked scaffold]

even doing weekly 12's takes time

[potent jetty]

as a Rogue*

tbh

my friend playing Dev DH gets insta invites

and press 3 buttons

lol

[fallow canopy]

I mean, he's playing the op class

but i get what you mean

[potent jetty]

yeah

he is right

i'm am wrong to stick with the Shit dps 😂

[wicked scaffold]

Soon as bliz nerfs dev dh to normal gonna get those banned from guild raid

dying to everything while "finishing the cast"

[spring creek]

playing assa rogue now is like investing in bitcoin in 2010 believe me

[deft vault]

is the archon app the opnly way to record logs now? That appo is fucking dogshit and freeze my pc for like 5min everytime i start it

[spring creek]

dosen't the warcraftlogs app work just fine?

[deft vault]

they dont let you download the app you need to download their bullshjit archon app

[sick umbra]

Is assa rogue going to be better then sub rogue In raids

[spring creek]

wait so if i uninstall mine im cooked? lmao

the archon app is hot dogshit i agree

[coral ibex]

https://github.com/RPGLogs/Uploaders-warcraftlogs/releases

this is just the uploader

no archon bullshit

[spring creek]

you can also download it on overwolf i believe

[coral ibex]

overwolf

[thorn thorn]

[spring creek]

yeah i know

makes my skin melt aswell

but the archon app genuenly angry

[paper ether]

why is platynator recommended over plater atm

[faint mural]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[cinder mountain]

Plater is crap apparently and bugged, I asked same question day or two ago you can search for response

[fallow canopy]

Besides that its just harder to set up and uses more resources so why use the shittier addon its the tldr

[little tulip]

plater has better pvp support in some use cases like bg blitz

that's about it

[native heron]

im about to try this in a 14. excited af

[solar wyvern]

Sorry to hear that do not tell whispyr

[native heron]

lol. be fun to change it up. haha

[faint mural]

yo bois, whats the easiest way to farm up some champ crests?

[native heron]

delves or m+

[old obsidian]

prays in nightmare

[analog hedge]

chat, full 16 is 3.4k right?

[buoyant herald]

There or thereabouts yeah

[main bobcat]

Time for sunday morning mental stimmies assassination chat

[shy heron]

Found em all

Well. I found 7 anyway, they always hide one that's impossible to see with the naked eye

[thorn thorn]

@spice spire

You and who

[static glacier]

Y’know quake exists in my mind as some mercurial force

He’s at the same time some normal family man yet says the wildest stuff

Best part - idk if this is remotely accurate

[thorn thorn]

I view quake as an eldritch force

[shy junco]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[radiant aspen]

this is perfect stats for assa

source :

[grim jay]

like that?

[twin hull]

Guys whats the deal with the tree boss in Algethars as sin…do we just fok>envenom or do we spamm CT(apply bleeds)>envenom cause the adds just disintegrate except the tbc treant that casts healing touch

What do you guys do?

[radiant aspen]

CT ENVE all way

[vast shuttle]

How should i do in big pulls aoe i tend to just do gar gar rupture ct enenom ct envenom repeat but i see others mix it up a bit with fok but dont u want to spread bleeds as fast s possible?

[radiant aspen]

if every mob have bleeds u fok if no u ct

unless they are small mobs that die real fast

[vast shuttle]

👍🏻

[radiant aspen]

trick on tank and start bleeding mobs as soon as tank grabs them so u spread bleeds befor mobs clump

[vast shuttle]

I often get aggro if i do it feel unsure when to start spreading know what u mean but i can get aggro and die

[radiant aspen]

well that takes some time to get used to but trick is to stay on top of tank while doing it and u have trick on tank always

[kindred jewel]

kinda new to rogue does it matter if u have a slower weapon in ur OH like mace/sword etc. ? or do u have to play dagger/dagger

[radiant aspen]

u can mixs in evasion to stay safe and make sure mobs dont tap u

[vast shuttle]

Trick on tank wdym by this

[radiant aspen]

u have vanish

this are not that much need but if u want to pad hard and do overall

xD

[twin hull]

But like the mobs dont last long…the dev dh and ele shamans just destroy all the adds…im talking about 16 ~ 18

[radiant aspen]

Ye

what can u do

u play yellow class

[vast shuttle]

So just be on tank while i spread got it

[radiant aspen]

yep us trick always on tank afther every pull in general thats best practice

and remember u have evasion

[vast shuttle]

Whats trick

[twin hull]

So basically still ct irrespective instead of fok envenom and doing caustic dmg?

Cause the bleeds dont tick much, mobs just die within seconds

[radiant aspen]

if ur doing low keys yeah

but rule is u ct until all mobs have bleeds

u fok if all mobs have bleeds

[twin hull]

16~18s atm

[radiant aspen]

on 16 /18 s u should be fine on moust of pulls

[twin hull]

Ohh i meant only for tree boss in AA

[radiant aspen]

it depends idealy u have to dot mobs befor they clump

or finish dots when they newly clumped so u fok enve spam

oh on tree boss im not 100% sure but i ct enve personally

😄

[twin hull]

Like yesterday i did 3 AA at 17
And i did 175~200k dps at the end of the fight..dh did 255k and ele did 280k at the end fucking padding cucks

[radiant aspen]

yeah i mean dh and ele are really good at blowing up small adds

if ur goal is to outdamage them on that specific fight it will be hard

idk 😄

[twin hull]

It was so frustrating..felt like i was wasting time trying to spread bleeds..just fok n envenom would do more with caustic

[radiant aspen]

nah u prolly did moust boss damage as assa

[twin hull]

Hmm didnt check that

[radiant aspen]

yeah on that im not sure if ur comp is dh ele rogue

i guess u can fok enve to focuse more damage on boss

wich will speed up things

[twin hull]

True ill try that next time

[radiant aspen]

i mean goal is to kill boss fast right not to be high on details

[hidden crown]

Anyone experiencing a bug when ur in a raid and when youre about to pull and apply your first garrote

all of your action bars keep showing your stealth abilities

and all of your other abilities dont show that they are on cooldown

[ancient ingot]

guys someone know how can i make distance between combo point in ayije cdm like this ? sry for offtop

[static glacier]

Exactly

[vast shuttle]

st only on first 2 bosses hc?

build*

[mossy blade]

please DM me the main.log file after a fresh boot of the app, you can find it in the settings and then scroll to the bottom (open log folder) so we can have a look

[spice spire]

You

[spice spire]

This is me

[misty tree]

Is poison bomb not showing up on details? or is it baked into envenom

[willow kite]

Is there a reason for taking Toxic Stiletto in the recommended m+ build on WH?

[balmy condor]

being able to dispel enrages more frequently for cheaper and from bigger range is cool

[willow kite]

oh, ok.. it wasn't on the 10-12 build, so I wondered if there was still some interaction I was missing

[balmy condor]

nope

it's just utility points

[sharp viper]

But that’s a dps loss, let the tank and healer deal with it

[proper rain]

the build for higher keys (above 12 without sudden demise) is it more damage or just more priority damage?

[balmy condor]

yes

[proper rain]

to both?

[balmy condor]

yes

it's better in every conceivable way

[proper rain]

I forgot to re-spec and just started to climb so I did a +14 as sudden demise which was fine but I should probably swap to the other talent set, right?

Does it play any different or the exact same gameplay?

[balmy condor]

same gameplay

[pine plank]

Where does my dmg come from in aoe ? Why is it that assas are starting to pump insane dmg after 25 seconds into the pull. And it instantly spikes up from 400k to 800k in the course of 2-3 seconds

[balmy condor]

sudden demise is great at making your bar longer on the meters

and that's about it

[balmy condor]

• bleeds and caustic spatter
• that's just the ramp time of your cooldowns and spreading bleeds
• that's the apex talent and instant damage from kingsbane probably

like this is first pull algethar

that caustic damage is directly from envenom/kingsbane

most of the poison damage is just passive from hitting crimson tempest/fok

garrote/rupture damage is just passive spread from crimson tempest

the damage spike is when kingsbane is cast

[plucky mica]

Hello friends a potentially stupid question… but defensives…

Afaik we’ve got feint, evasion, cloak and crimson vial.

How do you tend to use them? I’m getting better at using feint pretty often, but feel like cloak/evasion are mashed panic buttons still and need to get better at identifying particular scenarios they’re good for

Ie the pursuit during Ick and krick I can mitigate with an evasion, are there other useful ones to know about

Or general large trash pulls I feel like maybe I should be using a defensive where I otherwise might not, do you tend to use evasion / cloak freely, or hold them for panic moments?

Just trying to work out where I can improve from that angle mostly

[proper rain]

I performed terribly worse with m+ high key talents than the sudden demise in +15... i wonder if im doing something wrong?

[coral pivot]

When you start getting a feeling for the dungeons you will start noticing times where you want to use a defensive before taking big damage. Ick and Krick is good to save Evasion for the fixate. Same goes for Skyreach birds if they mess up the CC

[proper rain]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DMhKdQ3fBY24ctP6?fight=last&type=damage-done compared to the pos +14

[plucky mica]

Yes I’ve learnt the skyreach bird focus the hard way enough times 😂

[coral pivot]

The higher the key, the better the high key build will work

[proper rain]

but it feels like I must be doing something wrong?

[plucky mica]

Pushing 16s at times now so trying to work out the smaller details of damage and survivability as everything hurts lol

Yeah I don’t run the main build below 12 or so now

[coral pivot]

The reason sudden demise looks better is because you execute low adds, whereas the high key build doesn't do that, but it will do more damage over longer time

Fights are just too short

[plucky mica]

And even then I struggle until 15s where the longer pulls let you get a full bleed or two out

[little tulip]

run leech

you'll have more time to sort out defensives

[coral pivot]

There are some fights. Like first boss Seat, when he does the smash ground thing. That's a good time to use Feint. But also in general when you know there's a big hit or a debuff. Using a defensive for it is good

[plucky mica]

I think that is part of the standard M+ key build so do have leech at least

[little tulip]

i died from a 2k overkill today on a 17 magisters

[plucky mica]

To be fair I think the bigger issues in my group still are getting our kicks to be on point

Not my defensives

So might be alright lol

[little tulip]

yeah assassin's cc profile is genuinely

pretty not great

[plucky mica]

Yeah I tend to run boomy and frost mage

So boomy brings some lovely cc

[little tulip]

on sub you're just running around bonking things but assa is

[plucky mica]

I miss it when they aren’t with us lol

[little tulip]

lock in and hope everyone else is covering you while you setup prio damage

[plucky mica]

Gotta love taking 3 business days to get the damage online

But once it’s online we rippin

[little tulip]

99% of rogues say use aoe blind but honestly gouge has saved a lot of sketchy pug groups from catching a bolt

i've done 5/8 17s with gouge it's genuinely worth taking a look at but also y'know you're not always prioing a caster

[plucky mica]

Yeah I tend to find AoE blind useful to delaying a cast currently if we can’t get a kick on it quite quick enough

A panic interrupt almost

Haven’t tried gouge, does it not get broken instantly most the time?

[little tulip]

it's a stop don't bank on it

but yeah it can rng and not break for a global or two

[plucky mica]

Is the cd shorter on it than blind? Haven’t looked

[little tulip]

25 seconds

the only pull where i've wanted aoe blind is the triple shrink/hex casters on maisara before 1st boss

and on sub you can just cc two casters with cheap/kidney

and stabilize kick rotation

you also ahve to be in front of the mob

[plucky mica]

Yeah things like that is where boomy solar beam shines

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-rubbing-cute-gif-3539599

there's a lot of this

[plucky mica]

Can’t quite work out what that gif is representing 😂

Apart from feral Druids are cuddly

[little tulip]

gouge only works from the front

[plucky mica]

Ahhhh Yus

I’ll give gouge a whirl tonight

[little tulip]

yeah usually it gives people enough time to noice the caster and then grab their nameplate for a kick

also you still have blind

so yeah extra oh shit button if everyone is doing it right

[royal lantern]

gouge over aoe blind is crazy

lol

[little tulip]

aoe blind is definitely better when everyone is in good form but sometimes you're just

scuffling

kick gets overlapped and people need a mulligan to reset

[royal lantern]

i mean, its literally just that you can throw out aoe cc without doing target swaps in the first place

or in case of fucking gouge, posional requirement

[little tulip]

ye on sin i have thought about doing more aoe blind tbh

but i've run into a lot of ret and dk players that are also allergic to target swaps or starting on casters for some reason

i always wanna open on the big robot in the first room in mt for example for reasons right

with aug evoker its probably mandatory

most of it goes back to tricks of the trade being older than some retail players and requiring a focus macro to work without requiring godly mousing skills

[plucky mica]

I got an addon last night that makes an auto updating target macro for tricks, gone are the days of mouse skills

So I can keep my new focus kick macro instead

[little tulip]

oh please share

[plucky mica]

Called TricksMD

[coral pivot]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[coral pivot]

There it is

[little tulip]

back then you could put your tanks name in the macro and have free up the focus macro

or back when it gave 15% dam for 6 seconds in pve

[plucky mica]

I wish we had the one hour tricks sometimes lol

[coral pivot]

It would be nice if they had just moved tricks into class tree to give the 1 hour duration

[plucky mica]

Although it is fun to try dump threat into my mage when he’s annoying in low keys

[little tulip]

there's no 17s running rn time to veg out

[plucky mica]

I have the joy of evening M+ as kids about during the day 😂

Sat at football currently woopwoop

[little tulip]

[cold bay]

go guys rq dumb question but is it Puzzlebox>Deathmark>Kingsbane or
Puzzlebox>Kingsbane>Deathsmark

[balmy condor]

deathmark then kingsbane

[cold bay]

coz deathmark amplifies kingsbane og damage?

[balmy condor]

no

kingsbane ramps with poison applications, deathmark doubles poisons

deathmark also lasts longer

kingsbane -> deathmark is just a dead gcd and the first second of kingsbane wasted

[cold bay]

got it

[balmy condor]

which, given that kingsbane ramps, the first second is also inherently the most important

[cold bay]

makes total sense acc ye

[balmy condor]

ye

[cold bay]

ok bro tysm

[balmy condor]

np

[lyric grail]

on what cp do we use finishers (minimum) in aoe 6 are ok? or alrdy on 5?

[balmy condor]

5

[lyric grail]

st is 6/7 right?

[balmy condor]

no

always 5

[cold bay]

thats a first tbh

i always remember it being one before max

so hard to get used to muscle memory wise

[spice surge]

Its been 5+ for a really long time

[balmy condor]

I mean, I could be a jackass and say that it's always been 5 and you're just remembering "one before max" because our max used to be 6

but because I'm not a jackass, I won't say that

[cold bay]

but u wouldnt do 4 on 6 no

when our cap was 6

would you?

[balmy condor]

no

you would do on 5 because that's what the talents demand

[lyric grail]

damn im so bad then

i always do 6+ xd

[balmy condor]

this has been a talent since legion

the wording technically sucks

and it triggers on "5 or more", not "more than 5"

but ya know

especially with hero talents now, you're incentivized to finish on 5 because you simply don't flip a coin with 4

or trigger the mark

that also inherently makes finishing on 6 or 7 cp "inefficient"

because if you're at 5, and could finish and flip a coin

why would you force yourself to generate again, potentially waste cp, and end up finishing less and flipping less coins

the one caveat is that you want to force max cp on a darkest night envenom for deathstalker, but that's a gross outlier simply because darkest night is a gross buff

[subtle tundra]

mmmmmm

[turbid thistle]

It's still recommended to play fatebound in M+ right?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[balmy condor]

but even before that, the philosophy of "generator at 5 = overcap = bad" has always been the case, and during some patches there was even some ideas to finish on like 3 to avoid any overcap at all, which is kinda why all of this "you gotta have 5cp to trigger bonus" stuff exists

[cold bay]

yeah thats probably what i used to remember

that we were at 6 not 7

so we were just trying to finish 5+

[frozen jasper]

Wasn‘t There a Talent or something in like legion where it saved your overcapped CP for next the build up Right After spending? Sorry if the wording is Bad I Hope you know what I mean

[balmy condor]

it was removed after wod

or maybe it survived into the start of legion but was really bad

[lyric grail]

tyty made a own profile to show now finishers on 5 for assa

[royal lantern]

existed in legion yeha

[balmy condor]

Was it the choice node of vigor/deeper

Cause that’s probably why it was dogshit

[near light]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[royal lantern]

i think so yeha

[normal kite]

i believe sub used it for a bit in legion because finality counted all 10 combo points instead of the 5 spent

[iron carbon]

There's a rule for the use on blindside proc depending target amount?

[balmy condor]

1-2 targets

[iron carbon]

Alright, thanks

[vast shuttle]

what addon is it that makes ur platernames like stack high so u can see what mobs has bleeds cause i find it hard to see how many has bleeds

[radiant aspen]

[proper rain]

is there any way to see how much damage i reduecd with feint? sometimes i feel like it reduce all damage and sometimes it does nothing?

[little tulip]

could be the healers your running with

[kindred lodge]

Anyone able to do a Log / Vod review for Assa? :)
I'm new to Assa Rogue for MN and been learning for a bit and now i feel like im at a point where i would benefit from someone else taking a look. We are progressing on mythic vanguards rn and im able to send both log and a vod for specific pulls if anyone could take a look

Log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MdWYQ7w3KFqGytHn?fight=17&type=summary&source=5
(Has multiple pulls in the log, this is from our best pulls so far. Accidentally ran the wrong talents until pull 9 so disregard anything before that.)

[pure moth]

Share a log, I'm sure itll get threaded or atleast responses.

[kindred lodge]

Ah yeah thats probably a good start, ty😅

[pure moth]

I'm on mobile so harder to look at logs. I can look later if no one has.

You guys 6 healed though. That would have been a kill if you had the extra dps imo.

[solar vapor]

Dumb question, which four posions should I have on for M+ and general content?

[kindred lodge]

Would love that :D

[runic hinge]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[vast shuttle]

anyone with good plater profile for rogue?

[clear knoll]

what flask we like using?

[stuck lodge]

crit

[trim oak]

Hey all! Quick question: in high aoe situations is a dps loss using only CT instead of FoK (as a builder)? I usually end up doing that because I can't see if all the mobs have bleeds and poisons on them

[native heron]

is it safe to upgrade my myth pit dagger for voidforge when it comes out?

[pure moth]

Yes.

Most people will do dagger first.

[native heron]

sweet

tysm !

[pure moth]

Yw

[vast shuttle]

anyone with good platernames profile?

[normal mist]

Plater isn't used

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[bronze panther]

in what situation do we use shiv?

[spice surge]

If you want to remove an enrage effect

[warped moon]

how do i get this red one

i just have gray and green

[jaunty sky]

Look at the set tabs

[warped moon]

ohhh

does that correspond with veteran/champion/hero/myth

[glacial relic]

Anyone know why people play regicide reward in raid instead of shrouded suffocation ? Do we really need that few % haste?

[jaunty sky]

If you upgrade a hero piece to at least 5/6(or 6/6 i dont remember) you get the mythic appearance

Same for the lower tracks

[warped moon]

neat

[humble verge]

whats considered the fastest dung currently? is it skyreach or, idek

[solar wyvern]

Its not a few % its quite a large chunk

20% haste scaling down.over 20 sec gud

[tame flame]

hello what should I take at academy start ?

[stuck marsh]

friendly question for friendly new assassin player, do i just regard the "always be casting" rule with this spec to save energy or something along these lines? i only play m+ personally and i feel giga energy starved mid key

[golden loom]

Ye its not a gcd capped spec, but instead a "real" resource capped spec

[stuck marsh]

that's gonna be a wild thing for me to get used to lol

[wary light]

If you've come from casterland of ABC then it's an odd feeling for sure

[golden loom]

In big aoe you should have the energy to be gcd capped, but in ST you are very free to afk a lot of gcds

[glacial relic]

Thanks goat

[stuck marsh]

yeah ST i feel like im afk not doing anything to contribute

[vast shuttle]

anyone with bleed build?

[humble verge]

[golden loom]

Owned

[bronze panther]

so never then great another key less to press

[static glacier]

algethar alone has multiple enrages

issue is it's not an aoe soothe anymore, nor does it remove multiple enrages like some other spells

[normal mist]

6/6, now it is required to fully upgrade the item to gain the "next" tmog

[analog field]

I think they changed that no? Is it still a 1 layer dispell?

I thought it is full dispel

[spice surge]

Depends on the effect

[bronze panther]

tank will use defensive

[vast shuttle]

how does sudden demise proc?

[lime edge]

it goes kaboom

and then procs

jk

[static glacier]

so we're deciding between spending a global on a spell we're questioning if it's ever usable and having our tank use a defensive (tbh idk if people generally know that rogues have a soothe)

[devout dust]

Does anyone have a good import for cooldown manager for tracking your poison timers?
I used to have a weak aura that would be like a bar they would tick down not just a timer is that still possible? I'm so ass at keeping bleeds up 24/7 I need it lol

[coral pivot]

I think assa has pretty decent time to use shiv

[spice surge]

When one of your bleed ticks, it checks if 66% of your bleeds damage right now would kill the mob, if yes then demise procs and they die. If no then nothing happens

[vast shuttle]

cause mine did 4.4% in overall dmg thats nothing idk why u go bleed build in +10

[bronze panther]

i play tank as well not that i expect my rogue to be removing shiv

as a tank i rarely have a rogue in my party anyway

[coral pivot]

When you are starting to energy starve and want to drop Apex you can drop in a soothe. But it does remove all stages of the insects in AA

[lime edge]

the faster the mob dies, the better sudden demise is

in a 10 u should be one shotting anything u use cooldowns on for example

[coral pivot]

Question btw. Why is Platynator recommended over Plater?

[lime edge]

and if ur team is competent everything dies fast

[coral pivot]

Just FPS optimisation stuff or?

[static glacier]

ye I hear you, they're gonna send defensives anyway so it's functionally useless if they survive regardless and it's not a difference maker

[lime lantern]

im noticing envenoms keep often missing from alleria (spell goes off, nothing happens, no cp spent etc.), it feels like missing spell in older expansions nothing happens. Is this a bug or what because as far as i remember this didnt happen last week?

[spice spire]

Player is heavier

Plater even

There are other reasons but mostly optimization

[coral pivot]

Fair fair

[coral ibex]

bros experiencing parry for the first time

[coral pivot]

That's just being parried

[coral ibex]

stand behind the boss

🙂

[spice spire]

This is their villain moment

[coral pivot]

Shout out when Kingsbane could be parried

[spice spire]

And hit them from the back?

Sorry I only hit the homies from the back

[spice surge]

Hit it from the back so you dont get attached

[spice spire]

You say that and yet I still dream of my thicc spider queen

I hit her from the back

[vast shuttle]

with bleedd build

u dont use fok?

[lime lantern]

ah this makes sense, sadly i have to hit alleria from the front when i got obelisk due to strategy, boss-raid positioning. im new to assa and somehow i thought evenom is treated like a spell and cannot be parried

[coral pivot]

Yea, it's a bit of a pain point

[static glacier]

good news, kingsbane isn't parriable anymore - getting your lust pot kb parried made you want to alt-f4

[lapis lantern]

This game as a sin rogue feels like being on tinder as a down-to-mediocore looking 40yo, hoping to get a like. Its basically a dating app - and I’m not the pretty guy - and jobless - and have 8 children, divorced

Maybe I should go rock bottom and swap to fire mage

[vital radish]

Hi guys wanted to ask whats the cap on crit for assassination?

[spice surge]

There are none

[static glacier]

100% is the hard cap :^)

[vast shuttle]

do u need too do something in order to sudden demise to be useful or is juts like an passive?

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/rachnera-rachnera-arachnera-monster-musume-gif-24415013

[frosty cedar]

passive

I mean, technically you gotta put bleeds on the npcs but yeah

[thorn thorn]

You have excellent taste

[spice spire]

[upbeat sail]

what video would u guys recommend to learning sin

[strange wolf]

whispyr. his explenations are good.

[radiant aspen]

whats point of playing ct on nexus king

orbs legit die in 3 sec

[dreamy plover]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[hybrid skiff]

what's DTB?

[coral ibex]

dragon tempered blades

talent

[upbeat sail]

aint wound poison a good pick for first section of maisara caverns?

since a big amount of trolls have this passive regen

[crystal heath]

is assa the weakest rogue spec actually?

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/aura-ayanokoji-jxd5830-rAyu71fh1sFC5l7sT1

[crystal heath]

i play assa btw

:p

[radiant aspen]

real answer depends on content

boss etc

[wide ferry]

im gettin gapped by frost mages but i also suck so

[storm forum]

No shame in getting beat by frost mage or uh dk, they're too op rn

[steady sun]

Hey guys, i am completely new to rouge, but i wanted to test him out but i wanted to try assa . is it still a good pick for m+ with the patch coming up?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/little-giants-padding-protective-man-protection-gif-8476393

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/goku-vegeta-dragonball-o7PX1pWVblbtWn85qh

[radiant aspen]

high keys yes

[quiet star]

I just had worst SEAT run I can ever imagine

bro chain pull everything but there was like 3-5 mobs half of dungeon

first time I feel energy issues really

[primal smelt]

“wtf rogue where’s your damage”

That’s a run out and swap build angle

[subtle tundra]

why do i keep reading complains about tank chain pullin

yikes!

[vast shuttle]

/plate

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/despite-all-my-rage-gif-22554865

[split dust]

they really think ur gonna parse on 3 mobs its hilarious

[crisp ermine]

!bugs

[native heron]

Is it normal for demise build to be bad at st? I’m assuming so, I blast in aoe but tank in st

[pliant apex]

with WA no longer working, how do i see cds on garrote and rupture, the edit mode in made i couldnt figure out.

[hazy sundial]

How many vault slots i need to fill to get 6 tokens from vault?

[pliant apex]

hey m an any idea whats the replacement now for weak aurs

[fallow canopy]

3

[hazy sundial]

3 total or 3 in same row?

[fallow canopy]

3 total

[hazy sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

[twin hull]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[quiet star]

it's not about chainpulling, it's just a worst kind of chainpull implementation

[sharp viper]

why is paladins so ass of a fight

[spice surge]

Yes

[severe meadow]

Because every mechanic is the same fucking color

Thematic and all but everything is just yellow

[subtle tundra]

great mechanic

great dance fight

[balmy condor]

ragebait used to be believable 🥀

[subtle tundra]

if you gotta look at your bars its a hard fight

otherwise ez

also teaches the fucking rats to target swap

properly

instead of brain afk

keep you engaged

[restive rain]

guys give it to me straight, do i even use fan of knives

or i just sit with crimson tempest

[balmy condor]

when everything has bleeds, you fan of knives yes

[red crag]

Has anyone noticed a bug with Puzzlebox that is causing it to increase it's cooldown when on cooldown, causing it not to line up with DM?

[spice sentinel]

after casting crimson tempest 12 times in a row you get time to fan of knives 2 times before re crimson tempesting everything 12 times in a row 😄

[red crag]

box used, deathmark used 2s after

[coral ibex]

cdr affix

[balmy condor]

is it cdr affix in m+ this week again

I thought we just had it

[red crag]

OHk

ok its annoying as hell lol, get DM off CD 10s before box

[balmy condor]

yeh you just ignore the affix

[supple monolith]

do i only mutilate in single target in m+

if there are 2 or mor targets i should always fan of knifes correct

example pos second boss

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/hachiware-chiikawa-happy-stimpy-flapping-arms-gif-82452333563293721

[hollow moss]

Is sin looking to be strongest spec after reset?

[frosty cedar]

always was

[thorn thorn]

@spice spire Do you enjoy housing

[spice spire]

I have exactly a singular bed in my home

[thorn thorn]

I can ruin it for you

[spice spire]

Buddy I can ruin you

[thorn thorn]

I dm'd it

Cuz I cant post that here

For obvious reasons

Probably

Housing was a mistake

[onyx veldt]

am i crazy or if u spam puzzle box

it stop casting it

[onyx crane]

is it possible

to have too much master?

I feel like I am doing less dmg than before

but my gear has gotten better

[heady drum]

sim char mine likes crit

[frosty cedar]

dont think at all about stats and follow sim robot

[real pike]

just got my 4th bonus roll item from AA and still no box 🙃 🙃 🙃 🙃 I AM NOT OK

[warped moon]

how come people are vanishing at 11 sec in their logs

[pure moth]

Extending improved garrote if talented is my guess.

[warped moon]

huh so theyre like doing garrote, then doing imp garrote, then vanishing and repeating?

how long does that make it

[static glacier]

if it makes you feel better my hunt rolled 5 times and the only item left is the box

I had to pick between gigabis paladins ring with leech and box this reset. decided to take the ring and wait another week

[jaunty sky]

Ive been rolling skyreach and all thats left is weapon and boots

Im already looking forward to getting boots on wednesday

[real pike]

Hard not to say that's what you get for playing hunter

[pure moth]

Its more so the improved garrotes lasts the duration of your deathmark and kingsbane.

[warped moon]

wha

doesnt it though

okay so you garrote out of stealth, its like 18 sec or something idk

imp garrote timer starts for 6 sec or whatever and u garrote at 1 sec or whenever is convenient

now your imp garrote is 30 sec

but people vanish early to make it longer? or does it have a cap

cause ive been waiting til it is pretty much done to vanish and start it over but idk

[buoyant herald]

I prefer to vanish for 2nd DM anyway

[slim pebble]

I’ve rolled belt, cloak, legs and ring from pit. Belt was from when it was bugged (still haven’t gotten that roll back)

[pure moth]

Vanish would be up for 2min deathmark

[warped moon]

okay so its just to make it all line up

how long does the garrote get after 4 applications?

id hit a dummy but im not at my pc

[pure moth]

It adds mere seconds but like it guarantees it goes full duration of cds. If you were to pop cds at say 8 seconds your garrotes been ticking.. so vanish just helps it.

[warped moon]

i think i get it

the imp garrote lasts the full duration of dm's cooldown

i thought u meant the debuff haha i was confused

[low silo]

which is considered more accurate? dslice of 5t 5 min?

[frosty cedar]

dlsice

[low silo]

my sub dslice is like 20k higher than sin

[earnest remnant]

its not about the actual number it shits out

[south ember]

hello. This is my first time playing wow and I think I want to play assassination rogue. Is assassination good in both dungeons and raids, or is there some other spec that is ok in both? Doesn't have to be the best in either, but I'd rather play the same spec in both game modes, than having to learn two specs

Also, it seems like I need to apply poisons and bleeds. Does this mean I should have frames that shows if the targets are bleeding?

[earnest remnant]

thats not what its for

[frosty cedar]

its not really meant for comparing specs

[earnest remnant]

its a gearing tool