assassination

[static glacier]

I think outlaw is ahead on overall, idk about for timing purposes which spec is better - likely depends on key and comp

[hallow glade]

is sin better for aa

outlaw feels real bad there

[lime edge]

Outlaw does no dmg in first pull no

[crisp pine]

oh shit we all swapping to outlaw

[hallow glade]

youre just playing catch up the whole key eating downtime

[crisp pine]

let me dust off the sword

[hallow glade]

maybe sub angle idk

[storm forum]

Sin is best for giga fucking one of the lashers so ur tank doesn't die after 30 seconds

[static glacier]

Algethar is a wierd one, first pull is mass but everything other than that and the books is within outlaw’s target count iirc

Unless people cooked some route I’ve not seen

[lime edge]

The pull before 3rd boss is also too big for outlaw

[hallow glade]

outlaw isnt great on a haste buff / damage amp boss

[static glacier]

Yeah that’s the books

[storm forum]

Usually there's another big pull between the bird and book boss yeah

[lime edge]

Oh u said books

Im blind

[storm forum]

I am also blind lmao

[static glacier]

Fair, either way I still don’t really have an answer I can prove

No idea which is better in reality

We can just discuss observable metrics

[storm forum]

I like the double big wyrm pull if you can bait it onto the tank

But most of the time it's terrible

[crisp pine]

Does outlaw use puzzle box

[storm forum]

I don't think so

[crisp pine]

well

It's the better spec then

[storm forum]

I think mastery is usually terrible for OL

[crisp pine]

simple as that

[storm forum]

Lmao

[lime edge]

Mastery is their worst stat

[storm forum]

Why did I only now just get pinged by these?

Why does discord suck so bad on my phone?

[thorn thorn]

Discord mobile

[thorn thorn]

I ran a double yellow comp a few days ago

I brought him in cuz he was based

He did (barely) lose the 1v1

[lime edge]

Why is his name green

[thorn thorn]

who

[lime edge]

Charmander

Also

Are u not a rogue

You traitor

[thorn thorn]

green...?

Broski are you colorblind

[lime edge]

Oh it looks green until I open the image

[hazy sundial]

What key is this

[thorn thorn]

It was a pit

[thorn thorn]

No I do not play this class

I dont have enough self respect for it

[lime edge]

Mods

[thorn thorn]

Quake turned me into his aug kitten

sowwy

[lime edge]

Get him out

[thorn thorn]

Crucial detail

It was only a 10

We were getting the outlaw some keys in for rolls and vault and shit

Idk what he wanted from pit

Is there even anything good for rogue in pit

[lime edge]

Yes

Theres like 4 crit haste pieces

[thorn thorn]

huge

[lime edge]

Also huh

Your rogues were trolling

[thorn thorn]

I have the log if you are curious

Idk bro I was just there to vibe

And get crests

[velvet vault]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

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[thorn thorn]

The aug is an alt so I need to do approx 7 morbillion keys to get all the crests I need

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Abdj2QP7Zh9yLJnB?fight=28&type=damage-done

[fallow canopy]

I wanted to try surv but looking at the amount of crests i need to farm makes me instantly log out

[thorn thorn]

Crest farming is easy but its soulrotting work

Cuz you just queue up into keys that are impossible to brick with 4 other people of acceptable competence

Repeat for like 9 hours at minimum

[fallow canopy]

That life aint for me

I'm dragging my way to 8 weekly keys on my main and considering atp to just do 4

And thats without pugging if I had to pug I'd just do the one

[lime edge]

10 pit

[thorn thorn]

Our tank was a massive wimp and only doing 1-2 packs at a time

Idk why

He never got close to death

[lime edge]

Oh

[thorn thorn]

Which for a bdk is just insane

His health legit never went below 50% the entire key i dont think

[crisp sluice]

is it absolutely impossible for me to parse purple in mythic if i dont have gaze and puzzlebox?

Im comparing my timeline to other guys and theyre basically identical but i have a 263 crucible and the stupid haste guidon trinket cause no luck

[worn geyser]

no puzzle box is definitely not doing u favors, hero puzzle farming would def help

not saying u cant purple, but def doesnt help

[sacred oyster]

justt spam run AA and SR until you get those 2 trinkets

or even hero chim

[spice surge]

Skyreach one is barely better than crucible anyway

[latent kernel]

Everyone says the game is so alt friendly which it is in the sense that it’s easy to do, but holy fuck is it boring to try and catch and alt up to speed

[thorn thorn]

70 morbillion keys

[buoyant herald]

I don’t disagree but should you be able to just like…gear something instantly?

I think crest cost reductions should kick in earlier somehow maybe

Maybe be able to transfer crests between warband at a penalty?

That gets degen though for gearing mains early

Unlock it on .5 patch? Idk. Lots of thoughts

[thorn thorn]

Idk its fine mostly now compared to the past

The amount of keys you have to do is immense

Cuz its not an issue of actually getting the gear

[buoyant herald]

It’s definitely way better in that it’s actually possible

But it does take some time investment for sure

[thorn thorn]

You can easily get all hero slots before you even have the crests to upgrade them all

And you will spend way longer farming the crests to upgrade than you will farming the gear itself

[buoyant herald]

Well that goes for myth too now

[thorn thorn]

ya

With the rerolls its easy to get lots of myth items

[buoyant herald]

It does kind of feel to me like it’s people without a tonne of available time having the issues

But that’s been a thing in this game since forever so idk

[thorn thorn]

But you still need to do a truly exhausting amount of keys to upgrade

So

Its probably fine

[buoyant herald]

Should you be able to be gear capped in week 6?

[thorn thorn]

If I were able to change it all I would do is after the 0.5 patch make crest discount when your main has outgrown the crest

@balmy condor

[buoyant herald]

Yeah I agree with that

[balmy condor]

!ban @timid orbit spam

[thorn thorn]

And/or crest discount when you are below your mains ilvl

And to match you still use regular crests?

Dunno

[thorn thorn]

ty

[buoyant herald]

Given how meta driven the game is I think they do need to increase flexibility for sure

Especially when they nuke specs mid season too (rip MM)

[thorn thorn]

Either that or in the 0.7 patch just make it so crest discount for alts perma

[merry monolith]

Yeah I get declined to 10s when Ive timed 16s cause not meta

[thorn thorn]

By 0.7 most people who are doing CE easily are already very well into being done or nearly done

And people can just play alts

[buoyant herald]

I mean I don’t even have aotc yet and I’m doing like 4 keys a week and my main is 282

It’s super fast to max out right now

[thorn thorn]

But 0.5 patch also prolly fine

[buoyant herald]

So playing alts becomes the thing to do

[thorn thorn]

Thats usually like the halfway point for a season

And by that point most people will be playing at least one alt

Either for prog or just for fun

So a 0.5 crest reduction for alts prolly wouldnt be the worst

I am personally mostly content with how it i now

doing lots of content lets you get lots of practice

But it mostly presents an issue when you wanna actually push on the spec or do the hard content on it

And you get roadblocked by ilvl and having to farm crests

[buoyant herald]

If you’re gearing an alt as a better fit for your group then I’d expect you’re doing a tonne of keys anyway so yeah I think it’s fine

Gilded cap right now is what 700

Which is just over 40 keys at 13 which is easily doable if you have a group

We had guys in guild ripping over 100 keys in week one lol

[thorn thorn]

despair

[buoyant herald]

Bro I know it sounds brutal

But 40 keys is a big weekend

I don’t think that’s unreasonable to ask if you did want to switch

[thorn thorn]

Ya its prolly fine

For casual players or casual alters though thats an insane amount

I do like 10 keys a week at most

[analog field]

Yeah but why do you need to be crest capped on this alt?

If you are doing 10 keys per week , being a couple ilvls lower is not a problem

[thorn thorn]

We did just say why it matters but the tldr is if you plan to push on the alt or to help mythic prog you wanna gear it as quick as possible

You dont need to be crest capped but you will very easily be covered in hero/myth items before you have the crests to fully upgrade them all

So you just gotta put on your farmers hat and start doing keys

[analog field]

If you plan to push on an alt you will get the crests eventually. It's only if you need to get a new character to mythic prog and you still don't need to do crazy things just a bit more

[slim pebble]

Mind numbing or atrophic for higher keys?

[analog field]

If you are a coordinated group you can make a case for atrophic but numbing usually is better both for casting speed but also trash attack speed

[slim pebble]

That’s what I thought

[rancid anvil]

any assassination rogues that stream mythic raiding i can watch?

[royal lantern]

99% of the time mindnumbing

if you pushh the absolute hhigest title range keys where survivng a mechanic with a deffensive active with 3% hp can be a thing, atrophic

[spice rain]

tuning today?

[balmy condor]

maybe

maybe not

[normal mist]

Whispyr did you try warlock in d4 yet?

[balmy condor]

I played it during the press event but not on live, no

[normal mist]

currently leveling one, minion build

man animations are gorgeous

[spice rain]

you NA or eu?

[balmy condor]

NA

[tame flame]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[latent kernel]

I’m on the unpopular boat of idgaf about gatekeeping gear lol, I think if u earn the item once you should just be able to boost it on alt, but then again im an altoholic and I like trying all the new changes to different classes etc

Or just give me a x10 crest multiplier lmao

The issue is that the endgame right now is essentially: push m+, raid, or collect shit, just let me hop into that shi asap

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[buoyant herald]

instantly for free though? i think theres a middle ground between doing 40-45 keys on a fresh alt to catch up and people with unlimited free time being able to play whatever they like at gear cap instantly

crest multiplier for alts seems like a good idea

or a bigger discount at least

[normal mist]

FF14 gonna do it next expansion

[latent kernel]

I mean this is purely my opinion, I know peeps like the gatekeep gear and flex status, but I honestly really would not care if they just gave everyone myth bis items and said go at it for the season

[normal mist]

and it will be glorious

[buoyant herald]

thats what tournament realms are for 😛

[latent kernel]

^^100%

[buoyant herald]

i don't think it's about flexing status

[latent kernel]

But it’s just the portion of the game I enjoy, I don’t like the timegate slow gear drip, I’m just tryna blast immediately

[buoyant herald]

ultimately you're playing an rpg and you can tell blizz wants to keep some element of that

[latent kernel]

Because realistically the difference is you just give me everything at once and I blast for a few weeks and then quit for the season, or you slow drip gear and I raid log hitting 3hr of keys every week and that’s it

And obviously one of those is better for blizzard

I wish blizzard would just open their own separate tournament realms where you could just blast immediately etc

[latent kernel]

100% but the direction the game has gone is completely lopsided towards frictionless content

and with D4 out, I’m hitting 8 10s, raid nights and then logging for the week

Because D4 is fantastic rn

[paper ether]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[hearty seal]

eh, it's likely not gonna be all that hot as people imagine it

like you'll get the raw ilvl, but probably not the actual good stat combo
then again, just meld crit I guess, crit is always good

kinda wish they'd rejigger the substats, sks/sps needs to be merged and stronger since the 2min meta is dying anyway, unsyncing is no longer a worry

dhit is just worse crit, and det is the same way as vers in wow - you can get it, but it's almost always like 3rd best option

[hazy sundial]

Everyone abandoned us and rerolled outlaw 🥲

[hearty seal]

hmmm
wonder when we're gonna see 12.1 PTR

[bright turret]

Pain

Thinking deathmark jumping to a different mob is an appropriate talent addition does not inspire much confidence in future changes

[clear knoll]

is there a current talent build pin anywhere

[spice surge]

I do think it's a neat effect. However it needs some additional juice to actually be good

Like the stun talent for sub that's also 15% clone damage

[bright turret]

I feel like that juice would be making it so we could move the debuff by pressing it again off the GCD

[storm forum]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856136418170896404 faq channel

[hearty seal]

it just needs to be baseline ngl

or part of Finish the Job (so also baseline but with an asterisk)

[royal lantern]

i mean, the game will literally die from that

even if people dont wanna hear it

WoW is played FOR the Gear chase

its proven for literally ove 20 years now: if content doesnt reward gear, people dont interact with it for long if at all

m+ numberss always go down the drain when people are fully geared because turns out "i can just play for fun" is suddenly not the case for like 95% of the players anymore when it doesnt give a tangible reward

[bright turret]

"number go up" is how you keep people playing long term

[slim pebble]

This is why I wonder if they’re gonna axe extra roll tokens after this season

[royal lantern]

probably a tuned down version or smth like that

1 token every 3 weeks

[rocky holly]

@balmy condor hey im doing mythic chim tonight and just happened to be looking at some of your recent logs to see your talents etc - i saw you have a bunch of haste and mastery gems on?

[royal lantern]

and then full tokens after like 2months

[balmy condor]

Assa got no tuning

anyway, here's the big nerf to trickster for outlaw/sub with compensation buffs. On first glance to me it seems fairly neutral for rogue balance overall, probably hits outlaw but remains to be seen.

Go show some love and patience to @spice surge and @hard river while they dive into what it means for sub/outlaw

[balmy condor]

true, I do

[rocky holly]

is that gem enchant set up for sin or for sub?

[balmy condor]

no clue tbh

[rocky holly]

oh

[balmy condor]

I just put the gems in

[rocky holly]

nice

[bright turret]

where's the 3% sin buff

[coral ibex]

we dont do 3%ers here

we only do 4

https://tenor.com/view/nub-nub-cat-silly-cat-silly-kitty-gif-7773816275616110994

[royal lantern]

unholy nerfs

[storm forum]

that's the highest we can count

[royal lantern]

all i care about

and now they will cry about raidbuffs again while you need 12 dks for the average raid fight

[zinc frost]

My alt warrior eating good

[rocky holly]

is it something to do with the regicides reward talent? i actually do see my ST sims with raid talents are a little higher with haste gems

[sharp turret]

hello my sin brothers, i return from outlaw

[topaz cedar]

anyone know why this dont work unless i add it with a skill?

/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

like this works

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309
/cast Deathmark

but natty it doesnt

[balmy condor]

No like I literally had the gems in my bag and I just slotted them in, there is no reasoning as to why I’m using those, I did not sim them

[rocky holly]

lmao

[balmy condor]

I had those leftover from when I was doing jewelcrafting for the week

And I put them on

And forgot about it

[rocky holly]

theres some other random rogues in WCL also using the same kind of gems

i see

[topaz cedar]

oh im dumb, nvm worked it out

xd

[dawn seal]

am i stupid

why do they do no

changes to assa

but buff other 2

[cerulean nest]

we're perfect

[dawn seal]

are they really behind

[ornate aspen]

Those are likely nerfs for the other 2, so

[dawn seal]

oh sorry i saw

all damage by %5 and %7

i didnt read the rest

[vital flicker]

I mean I think blizzard didn't want cloud cover to be so powerful , but the hopeful outcome would be that it isn't a nerf

[jaunty sky]

The vibe is that both outlaw and sub are not taking it anymore

[dawn seal]

oh

is cloud cover

important

sorry i dont play them

what is exactly changing if its not a bother

[jaunty sky]

It gave a LOT of extra crit damage

And now it doesnt anymore and duration got nerfed by 40%

[ornate aspen]

It was massive for both

[dawn seal]

o

oh shit

no one really wants to get a rogue

why do they do this

[jaunty sky]

Sub will just recraft back to mastery and use mastery flask again

Outlaw might go back to fatebound

Is what it is

All a conspiracy to put more money into big crafters pockets

[split veldt]

https://giphy.com/gifs/malcolmfrance-malcolm-in-the-middle-mitm-ZCCERtxEH01ksB2tXu

[jaunty sky]

Another 10k to recraft back to mastery for me most likely

At least i didnt roll rings with bonus rolls

[storm forum]

@balmy condor are the allegations that you suggest crafting wrists instead of cloak on the wowhead guide because you are in the pocket of big leatherworking true?

[outer marsh]

I've come to the conclusion that sub is the best rogue spec up to like +17 ish due to time-to-kill of the packs, and that outlaw/assa are more or less equal above that, with assa having higher prio damage and outlaw having better overall sustain. Curious what other's thoughts are on the topic

[inner crypt]

? XD

[celest helm]

ye

[primal parrot]

when will they give us a piece of bread fellas

[frosty oxide]

God forbid two rogue specs have the same stat prio for more than a week.

[coral ibex]

10 extra seconds per burn phase on belo is nuts

wtf

[storm forum]

I was really hoping we were gonna make our mage play bear on belo for prog but i guess thats not happening now

[inner crypt]

so best spect now from burst it? XD

[vital flicker]

so are the rogue masses going to come crawling back to the sin tab now?

[primal parrot]

i think the rogue masses are going to a mental hospital because we keep getting shafted no matter what spec we play

[storm forum]

i mean, they got comp buffs too, and before the rework they werent really behind sin that much, esp if their damage profiles were better in a certain scenario so

[rocky holly]

looking at logs i see a lot of people switching in and out of Doomblade, Fatal Concoction and Poison Bomb - what are the reasons you swap in and out of these?

[prime hull]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

[jaunty sky]

The trick is to just not swap when there's a cool buff like the outlaw one

[prime hull]

me reading pstch notes

[jaunty sky]

Bc its def gonna get nuked immediately

[vital flicker]

13% =/= 5% +some amount to finisher damage

[primal parrot]

ive yet to have my cake or eat it
just want deathstalker tuning that isnt a dirty bandaid

[jaunty sky]

That doesnt exist

Did they fix the singular focus spatter thing btw

Where it stopped funnelling back in tww

[vital flicker]

that's a feature not a bug

[storm forum]

in m+ wox was like 20% ahead of sin as OL, even counting his OL main buff, I think OL players will be fine unless there's a scenario where they prefer the difference in damage profile.

but im also a sin 1 trick so what do i know

[fleet whale]

why is fatebound decent for assassin while being so bad for outlaw?

[storm forum]

for assa FB numbers just 5-10% better than the other one

also feels better to play cause more resources

for OL, afaik it was just cause trickster was OP af

might change with the next patch where it gets nerfed

[vital flicker]

20% is a bit of a stretch it is probably more like 10% on average better than sin obviously dependent on the dungeon

[ornate aspen]

its not bad for outlaw, trickster was just turbo OP for 2 weeks.

[vital flicker]

and even then, there are lots of dungeons that sin is on par

[storm forum]

I was just quoting someone who came in earlier and said he saw OL at 230k vs sin at 190k overall on his stream, but yeah, for the average player who just plays whatever, the discrepancy probably not that wide

I just don't think OL is unplayable after the nerfs

and like you said, OL probably better in some dungeons and worse in others

maybe every OL needs a dagger for AA

for the 2-3 big pulls

maybe it's fine cause every other pack in there is like 1-5 targets, like 7 max for double pulls

[worn geyser]

i mean theyre prolly about equal to sin across all dungeons now if the nerfs are less than 10% idk im not outlaw mathematician who knows how much that shit actually is in m+ tho

in high key

[storm forum]

I'm just spit balling cause Eleem and whoever does the OL tc haven't made pins yet

and for some reason people are asking about them in the assassination channel

[worn geyser]

ye idk, outlaw doomers are gonna play outlaw anyway like sin doomers play sin still

all rogue doom together

[storm forum]

hell yeah sibling

[fleet whale]

Well I guess outlaw was rising pretty hard the past two weeks, but Blizz pulled the rug before they were able to get on top of the mountain

[worn geyser]

the tuning changes are def wonky, dk less than 10% is criminal

[storm forum]

my personal theory is that the blizz internal testing server is wildly different than live for some reason

which is why everything keeps getting over and undershot

and why old bugs keep getting reintroduced

[primal parrot]

monkeys on typewriters

[storm forum]

some kind of version control issue they're having an issue fixing for some reason

[burnt ember]

No buffs for 'sin in the new class tuning?

Seems odd

[lime edge]

2 patches of no assa changes

pog

[burnt ember]

Literally badass

[storm forum]

we're just aura farming out here

[worn geyser]

id rather no changes then go thru outlaw buff for 2 week into bigger nerf than dk

[fleet whale]

I mean idk what would be the main thing you would tune for assassin

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-aura-piccolo-aura-aura-farming-aura-farm-gif-4796219510675252498

[fleet whale]

the spec is very strong in ST, if you try to buff something like caustic it could cause some issues

[safe barn]

damn piccolo we see the fit bro

[lime edge]

i mean

what issues

[storm forum]

yeah, we get to be in limbo like fire mage/shadow priest cause of spatter

[safe barn]

i guess ill have to join the assa clan

all my gear is crit hast

[storm forum]

where they really should give us something, but they dont want to cause there's nothing they can really target to give us isolated Cleave/AoE/ST buffs

[worn geyser]

I mean idk it not super strong in ST, multiple specs out perform, you can just look at a boss like vorasius to see our 'strong suit' is (edit: upper middle , and i am dumb) but its not like were the best in the game at ST

[safe barn]

idk, buff mut?

[storm forum]

i dont think they wanna give us ST buffs, we are still top 5 there

[lime edge]

isnt assa top 5 in st because we completely give up on aoeing

i dont think assa is actually top 5 in st?

like if other classes also went for single target only

[storm forum]

i was talking about on voracious

[viscid spear]

I tunnel the boss.

On Chimaerus, I stand in the circle when I'm supposed to.
When I get lifted up I simply Shadowstep back down and stand inside his leg.

[storm forum]

I do that until my CDs end

[lime edge]

isnt that from people hitting adds

[storm forum]

still just boss dam

[lime edge]

yea im saying the other classes below us hit the adds

so their boss dmg is lower

dont think they actually have lower st

[viscid spear]

On Vorasius I go to my designated side and turn my back so it's against the wall, so I appear to be targeting adds (I'm not)

[balmy condor]

y'all fuck with herbert hoove, 31st president of the united states if he were a horse

[storm forum]

I dont think any of the melee on voracious want to jump back and hit the adds

[lime edge]

i mean

check the overall dmg

and thatll show you

for example windwalker monk is 144k dps on voracious

[thorn thorn]

Is warlock goodge

[lime edge]

but 105k boss dps

[viscid spear]

It's all about movement; if you just stand mostly still and tunnel boss then you might get outed.
But if you strafe around and sorta stand near adds then no one notices.

[balmy condor]

no and you can read my review to find out why

[worn geyser]

just stand inside the tank and move with him, no one will even see u

[balmy condor]

or talk to royal

he's having fun with warlock

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/baki-sea-king-retsu-walking-behind-creeping-sneaking-gif-688244952173642983

[storm forum]

i just tell my guildies to deal with it cause i dont wanna take a gate and do nothing for 30 seconds waiting next to the walls

[thorn thorn]

uh which one

Is it this one https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/is-diablo-4-lord-of-hatred-the-best-diablo-has-ever-been-381394

[balmy condor]

ye

[thorn thorn]

i read

[safe barn]

how much u guys are simming

[thorn thorn]

THE CUBE

THE CUBE HAS RETURNED

[storm forum]

other melee who dont get the fixate stand with me in melee too

[lime edge]

so are d4 skill branches now actually a skill tree

[storm forum]

like 101k in ST build

[viscid spear]

"oh but what if they look at logs and see you're not damaging adds a lot"
Listen you peepeehead, tell them Assassination is terrible at hard switching targets.

[coral ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ajykcgFBHU8G1yLzsWD6CZ

[lime edge]

and then u get benched

[safe barn]

kk, im not that far off then
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qwVVE3ypvxJfx8gYeX5VMV

[viscid spear]

If your group can't kill Chim adds and actually needs your Regigiggas-moving ass to swap to it then you're cooked

[wise socket]

has anyone played assa on myhtic lura yet? kinda thinking of playing assa on it on reclear but not sure if i would be giga trolling or not

[storm forum]

last I checked lura had 0 assa kills

but only like 30 guilds have killed it so

[fallow canopy]

no public logs for assa yet

be the change

[wise socket]

🫡

[balmy condor]

bro is doing lura reclear asking US what to play

insane work

[wise socket]

🙁

[storm forum]

do it for us

give us hope

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-evil-twink-will-pay-cat-writing-gif-4722793856859840711

[wise socket]

dont think we are pulling lura again for the next 2 weeks 😂

[fallow canopy]

be the reason I do a 10minute presentation to my rl on why bringing me as assa is valuable

[storm forum]

but also maybe dont cause it would be really funny if I was the first public mythic lura assa rogue with my world last guild

[balmy condor]

usain bolt walking into a target to get sneaker advice

[wise socket]

just gaslight him into thinking execute is really valuable

[worn geyser]

im just gonna be going sin anyway for our lura prog tues, idk who else is progging it on sin atm

[teal kettle]

Aug dk being brought down is pretty big for getting invites to keys this is nice

[fallow canopy]

"amped damage execute think about it, anyways can I expect a summon on raid night"

[thorn thorn]

ayo this dlc lookin kinda fuckin fire

I wont lie

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/baseball-netting-baseball-infield-tarp-bench-chair-gif-17736701

my pov

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-i-know-more-than-you-nick-offerman-parks-and-rec-parks-and-recreation-gif-3282963990428313655

[worn geyser]

that is unlucky, i got in and this is my 2nd boss with this guild lmao

[lime edge]

[fallow canopy]

sadly it is what it is we have a gazillion ranged

[inner crypt]

Do u think assa Will be better for egg than sub now?

[balmy condor]

it is very good

[worn geyser]

hmm i think assas will be better than assas actually

[inner crypt]

Sorry sub hahaha

[worn geyser]

imo prolly not sub still does miles better egg burst

[viscid spear]

my dumb ass playing assa when I could be playing assa

[worn geyser]

we got a lot of melee so that makes sense, our lura prog is gonna prolly be rough cause that tho

[viscid spear]

My group's damage is mostly myself and a DK and Warrior.

[worn geyser]

damn, i dont really have a reference for this guild yet on whose cranking since beloran damage is so like fucked, the melee they have is pretty good tho which is why they find it hard to find ranged better i think

[pure bridge]

No lie, if our Deathmark was bugged I didn't even notice.

[balmy condor]

was a rare bug

not worth mentioning

[lime edge]

no wonder my energy was low

[buoyant herald]

oh sweet, energy fixed, we can delete the !command now!

[autumn idol]

guys

femboys

am i right

[solar wyvern]

how often was it happening

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

[balmy condor]

idk every like 40 deathmarks maybe?

deathmark energy kinda

doesn't matter in the first place though

[solar wyvern]

i c

shouldnt it be 960 energy tho?

80x12

deathmark energy feels like it matters in key build lowkey

but idk hwo much im losing

[solar wyvern]

so if its nothing then it doesnt matter but if it is like 30% less yknow

[delicate rampart]

wow

u guys are back !

[solar wyvern]

thats like a gcd every so often

im just confuzzled as to why its only giving 600 afte 12 casts xd thats like 50 energy per

if its infrquent

[lime edge]

overcapped energy? idk

[inner crypt]

ff outlaw

[solar wyvern]

nah shows overcap

[lime edge]

oh

where do u even check energy

[solar wyvern]

resources energy\

[lime edge]

364 energy from 8 deathmarks

weird

[autumn idol]

gosh i really need that energy

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean I have no clue why it does it

but it doesn't anymore

+6 envenoms per key I guess

except in lust where you're overcapping the energy anyway

[storm forum]

+.1% is +.1%

[balmy condor]

big if true

[lime edge]

[autumn idol]

im not gay but

.1% is .1%

am i right guys

[lime edge]

thats like 2.26% more energy

huge buff

[storm forum]

[balmy condor]

yyyyyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuuuuge

[whole mason]

So they find they messed up with Sin's core energy but no solution and yet they fixed a bug?

[balmy condor]

what

they messed up with sin's core energy?

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

this is the energy from deathmark bud

[whole mason]

oh, sry for my confusing comment. I mean they cut off multi-target energy and energy pack from adds death (25 base line now).

It is not a bad outcome tho, even they made significant reduction on multi-taget energy system. However, on 2-3 target or small adds fight, Sin now shares the low efficiency problem with outlaw and sub in a certain perspective.

[old obsidian]

need help what next?

[main blaze]

oh hmm how much energy are we supposed to get from Deathmark, 80? Doesnt seem like it gives that ever.

[upper spear]

guys im so sorry, i didnt pray hard enough.

[buoyant oracle]

Use Raidbot to see what your biggest upgrade is then target that I suppose.

[amber brook]

Wait deathmark was buggy?

[warped moon]

f/m/k the three rogue specs go

if kill is not outlaw ur banned

[halcyon crypt]

we are doomed

[onyx sigil]

kill all of them

— blizzard

[warped moon]

true

[halcyon crypt]

well they carged extra for diablo 4 so well

[warped moon]

it kinda seems like they fixed d4? it is pretty fun

[spice sentinel]

k/k/k

[hazy sundial]

Is that a judgment armor in d4?????

[tight ginkgo]

hi whispyr i love eleem and solo :)

[hazy sundial]

Please tell me rogue has bloodfang?

[balmy condor]

yes

https://www.wowhead.com/news/world-of-warcraft-collab-brings-tier-2-sets-to-diablo-4-lord-of-hatred-381504?utm_source=discord-webhook

[hazy sundial]

Ok time to check out new expansion

How is flurry rogue? Still garbage

I mean pit-wise

[halcyon crypt]

he is good now nerfed

[hazy sundial]

Can i go further than 120 in pit as flurry?

Last time i played i couldn’t go past 120 with flurry rogue

With full bis gear

[old obsidian]

:'C

[glad ferry]

been playing sub but after seeing the shitshow those "ADJUSTMENTS" were I might go back to my roots.

Holy fk blizzard.

[knotty vapor]

Isn't this good

Y cri

[glad ferry]

Thank god they keep changing classes in the middle of fkn prog in the middle of the patch when all my crafted gear and itemization is done. LOVE THAT.

[balmy condor]

no clue

[shadow agate]

I've been playing Dance of Knives and it's been fun, story is great.

[paper ether]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[rocky holly]

!ui'

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[sick scarab]

blizz is insane LOL

[honest comet]

Wild that sub and outlaw get some buffs tweaks and sin is left by the wayside 😶

[brisk dew]

outlaw got nerfed

not buffed

[honest comet]

Ye I read the rest

4-6% depending on situation.

Rogues cooked this expansion 😅

[brave gyro]

They are really trying to make all of us reroll

maybe we really need to hit rock bottom for some changes

[autumn sierra]

But now Assa best spec I guess🤣

[brave gyro]

i just hit 3400 last night as solo pug player, as assa. Bonus rolled outlaw weap to get into it, as it was my least played spec this expansion

My bad i guess

[coral pivot]

Outlaw is still good

But ultimately play what you think is the most fun

[brave gyro]

i always try to play the full class (as long as its not trolling to play a spec)

[brave gyro]

we'll see with the latest tuning, but rn looks sizable nerf

somehow, outlaw gets bigger nerf than Augvoker

[coral pivot]

They got buffed 16% and now lost 6%. So they are stronger than before cloud cover change

[brave gyro]

still weaker spec than a lot of other classes tho

and we get bigger nerf for it

[coral pivot]

Phys comp is quite up there this time around

[brave gyro]

yeah, but its not reliable for solo players to be in one

[coral pivot]

Rogue's major pain point in keys is that we bring very weak buff and utility not that strong

Only way damage tuning fixes that is if we out damage any other spec

[ornate aspen]

Agree. Rogue is in need of a complete overhaul

[brave gyro]

and lowest effective health pool

we are squishy, bring nothing and now dmg is nerfed

[coral pivot]

We have some of the most defensive abilities in the game

[brave gyro]

[coral pivot]

We are just not squishy

[brave gyro]

good one

[coral pivot]

We can die to rot damage, but we are not squishy

[brave gyro]

if it wasn't for feint, we are done

[coral pivot]

That is exactly why we have feint

[ornate aspen]

Feint with elusiveness has got to be the single best defensive in the game

Its insane

[coral pivot]

There's an argument that we are squishy in raid because often we paly cheat death over elusiveness

But we have something for just about every single damage mechanic in dungeons because of elusiveness

[brave gyro]

• cloak nerfed, DK gets beter one
• Evasion mostly useless outside of a few scenarios
• Smoke bomb removed, DH gets better one
• defensives and cc cost us dmg

idk how you defend that

[coral pivot]

By us being one of the best defensive classes in the game

[brave gyro]

but thats not true

[ornate aspen]

Rogue kit is dog, but it still is absurdly durable

[brave gyro]

we die to so many more things other classes breeze through

especially this expansion, where half the shit in M+ is dots

which we have nothing for

[coral pivot]

But, much like Zorthas says. It does also require skill to use well

[coral pivot]

Dying over time to rot/bleeds is not the same as being squishy

Much like how shadow priests aren't good at handling burst damage, but is very good at handling rot damage

Almost as if classes and specs excel in different areas

DK is a walking tank, but again. It is walking and also brings a utility that people tend to breeze over in keys

[ornate aspen]

At a certain point it does become a healer issue. If I can defensive every bit of burst damage the mobs throw out but die to rot damage, that's not on me

[coral pivot]

Which is also a good point

Punz, do you know why the rogues during RWF were placed where they were during the intermission on Midnight Falls?

[brave gyro]

i am not talking about raids

[coral pivot]

Well, even without using elusiveness. They were placed there because of how little healing they would need

[cunning needle]

rogues? plural?

[coral pivot]

Well, Exile was in one guild and Perfecto was in a different one. And counting both of those that would make two rogues which does infer plural

[cunning needle]

yeah fair

[coral pivot]

Especially since both were placed in no man's land because they could make it through with low healing

[coral pivot]

All good

[cunning needle]

but idk about the feint glaze

it's strong yeah

but dks just live passively without pressing anything

or their slightly weaker cloak on 45 sec cd

[coral pivot]

I agree that DKs got good defensives. A lot of that is taken from their mobility though

Most classes are in some way built around mobility, damage, and tankiness

And you only get to be good at 2 of those really

Unless it's brewmaster. He beats all the other tanks in all three basically

[cunning needle]

i disagree DKs arent mobile

10 second steed (that also ignores knockback mechanics)

[coral pivot]

They are a lot less mobile than other classes tho

[cunning needle]

the DKs not being mobile feels very 2 expansions old

[coral pivot]

I would say ret could be tankier and closer to DK

[cunning needle]

i mean yeah they don't have a charge

but neither does paladins

and they're definitely more mobile than paladins by nature of ignoring knockback

[coral pivot]

There's a reason that paladin, warlock, DK etc are referred to as wheelchair classes

[cunning needle]

i think the only one of those that is wheelchair in that list now is warlock

that's an old meme from 2 expansions ago before paladins got updated divine steed

and dks got everything under the sun

but i feel like i've also detracted from your earlier point and gone on a rant about DKs again

so i'll exit here

my bad

#fuckdks

[coral pivot]

Based statement though lmao

[cunning needle]

feint is very strong

and sub also has a lot of passive living

there's a reason when rogue is brought to prog, it's typically sub

at least in recent history

[coral pivot]

Not to mention it's amazing damage profile for progress

[cunning needle]

eh damage profile isn't that good anymore

it was good in TWW s3 but thats kinda deleted now

[coral pivot]

I would still say it beats both assa and outlaw in general. Especially with how fights are designed

[cunning needle]

only because this tier it's entirely just pad damage for all most of voidspire

[coral pivot]

I mean, Belo'ren and Midnight Falls are also better suited for sub

Chimaerus was as well

The fact that you do most of your damage in dance windows just makes it good for progress because outside you don't lose much

[haughty gust]

i mean sin is good on belo'ren

[coral pivot]

That one kinda depends on comp. If you got good cleave to kill the eggs then ye
For some reason we needed help on that, so I was playing sub

[haughty gust]

fair

but sub sucks at 3 target cleave anyways

just look at vanguard statistics

[coral pivot]

Agreed, but we can burst them

[haughty gust]

ye maybe it was just my guild's comp that they would be dead anyways

[coral pivot]

Yea. It's a lot about fitting the comp

[proper rain]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/massive-12-0-5-class-tuning-pass-may-5th/

[analog hedge]

i might be blind

but do we get nothing?

come on now blizz

[brave gyro]

well class gets fucked, assa remains same

which probably better for assa at this point

[analog hedge]

i dont really know the state of other class, but warrior is eating good

that buff% is insane , which makes me wonder if warrior is like turbo garbage or what

💀

[half igloo]

P sure u will still just play prot over dps warrs in raid, so you tell me

[cunning needle]

they still will be

[analog hedge]

suddenly i feel better for playing rogue

[cunning needle]

yeah

you could be a warrior

or an enhance shaman

[quiet star]

really interesting to read about outlaw nerfs in reality where demo lock destroy content

[radiant aspen]

so still nothing for us

?

[twin hull]

are we only casting crimson tempest in aoe and avoiding fan of knives? or CT till bleeds on all target then FOK?

[open mantle]

nope no buffs for assa

[balmy condor]

CT till bleeds on all target then FOK

[wooden timber]

didnt enh get good stuff

or was the bugfix too strong

[cunning needle]

idk i hvaent seen a single enhance all tier

[bleak sun]

Hello rogues,just came back after a month of vacation im 280atm but i heard bonus roll is back,my question is do i need to fill the Bar to 6/6 voidcore to get it ?so i need to do 18 mythic+ ? (3voidcore*6)

[tepid crest]

Havnt played assa in years, trying it out now that i'm going into +17's and up, with the Double Lethal and Non-lethal poisons, we should be using

Lethal = Deadly + Amplifying
Non-Lethal = Atrophic + Crippling

right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[quiet star]

crippling is not good in m+ for a lot of pulls

[ornate kelp]

Was wondering how do you guys play first pull AA?
Are you perma CT'ing and overcapping CP till the pack is dotted?

[quiet star]

so better ask tank or don't use

[balmy condor]

you always envenom

never overcap cp

[spice surge]

But also that pack is big enough that you have infinite energy to spam ct instead of fok regardless

[ornate kelp]

Yeah makes sense

[analog hedge]

ikr, the temptation to just ct 6 7 times then env is too high , on this particular pull

[quiet star]

this scenario is not easy to undertsand tbh, from one hand FB coins works from envenom, so you want to do it as much as possible

[analog hedge]

but its better to ct env after trying a few keys

[quiet star]

from other hand - dots also do damage and spreading them early before box is make sense

on streams guys sometimes do 2-3 extra CT before CDs in big packs

[polar jasper]

U can also delve the cores. Dunno how many u need till bonus rolls are available. There’s a catchup mechanic after the first 2 where u can trade marl, gold or veteran crests for rolls

[ornate kelp]

Yes it does feel like that but I can't see shit so have no idea if all the small ones are dotted lol

[analog hedge]

lol relateable

but yeah i dunno whats the correct way for that pull, but i do both depends on the mood

sometimes i just CT 678 times and dont care about overcap, then goes to env

sometimes i ct env ct env

💀

but i do feel i pumps better then i ct env ct env

[indigo mulch]

I was actually expecting them to buff assa a bit not just nerf the other specs

[open mantle]

yes

i was praying

[analog field]

We are one of the strongest specs for m+

just below meta

there is no way we get buffed

[analog hedge]

u didnt pray enough 😔

[analog field]

especially for high keys

[indigo mulch]

I mean the raid overall is pretty bad for sin

[wooden timber]

implacable on cdm is a buff

by whatever % u individually get by playing around it

big for me bc i cant count to 5 in my head while doing other stuff

[proper rain]

but i want 10% increased damage

[cunning needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1t19kmf/windrunner_last_boss_re_arrows/

i fucking hate DKs

bro doing 17 and has 0 idea about his class and just passively living through everything

[coral pivot]

They are just really good at being immobile

So much that other things can't even move them

XD

[cunning needle]

[open mantle]

there a rock

pretty sure most dks dont know there own class

[cunning needle]

don't need to be mobile if you don't need to move

[wooden timber]

red man so strong

[sinful ice]

does cheat death prok always or there is situations when u die even with it?

[cunning needle]

there are situations where you die even with it

don't ask me what they are

[onyx veldt]

fuck around and find out

[kindred crescent]

Was thinking of leveling up my rogue. I see raid looks rough but kind of inspired by m+

[analog hedge]

unholy dev aug brew or bust

implaying

[plush isle]

https://i.imgflip.com/aqpoe7.jpg

[quiet star]

so do we expect top rogues to switch from outlaw, that's the question

[reef flower]

Why would they switch from outlaw? There's new patchnotes?

[quiet star]

ofc

I assume if people switching from assa to outlaw after buff, switch is possible after nerfs

not all, but some

[spare kayak]

I doubt they will

[reef flower]

Humm where can i see more about this?

[quiet star]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/augmentation-evoker-and-devourer-dh-nerfs-upcoming-class-tuning-381505

[reef flower]

Ohh missed that tyvm friend

Are there any tc already done to see the global impact on dps?

Ok nvm pined subject on #outlaw already

Guys are quick

[winged quail]

pins in their respective channels

[reef flower]

Hopefully sub buff is not sufficient to feel forced to play that slug spec again

[ancient ingot]

guys can i ask about spell q, its important thing? heard a lot about it but im playing with default

[quiet star]

in sub channel they saud 2.5%

so not likely I guess

[wooden timber]

not important for sin bc slow and not reactive but for very reactive + fast specs some people say lower sqw feels smoother and more responsive

personal preference as long as its not so low that u have gaps between gcds

[ancient ingot]

like sub can be lower?

[wooden timber]

caster/ranged players are vocal about max sqw

i played sub on 250

and it was fine for me

im on devourer this tier and playing that w 400 but

i wouldnt change it unless u have trouble reacting to procs

[ancient ingot]

blizz make same default for everyspec?

[wooden timber]

like if u double proc ur coup on sub in aoe and u black powder on accident

and cant react to it

[ancient ingot]

or on ranged i should change

[wooden timber]

bc it goes w the gcd u queued earlier

then lowering can be good

honestly if u dont know and arent experiencing problems keep it at 400

[ancient ingot]

i even duno how i should feel it)

[wooden timber]

if u press wrong gcd in response to procs on a spec like outlaw or sub can try and lower it

[ancient ingot]

hm ig i have sometimes that problem on sub

[wooden timber]

only if like

ur pressing the gcd ud press if u dont get the proc and then the proc appears

and u press new button

but the game doesnt take it

lower sqw can help there sometimes

otherwise higher is better

[ancient ingot]

how i can check my sq?

[reef flower]

/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")

Found this on reddit

Idk if it works though

[wooden timber]

easy way to change it if ur not good w the console is this addon

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/advancedinterfaceoptions

in combat settings

[spice surge]

But like, unless you feel like the game is lagging

You shouldnt change it

[wooden timber]

yeah

[ancient ingot]

sometimes i feel like my button pressing randomly when i spam something and change faster

[wooden timber]

i only changed it bc it felt unresponsive on sub and outlaw

and i make a point of re raising it when i go back to my dh

[ancient ingot]

i was checking reddit and ppls saying sq should be around +100-150 compare ur ping

[wooden timber]

nah

my ping is like 10 and 110 is way too low

225 was the lowest i have ever had it

[ancient ingot]

my 50-60

[reef flower]

Usually more between 200-400 depending on the spec and the procs

[wooden timber]

u want it on the highest number it feels good on

bc its easier to have no gaps between globals the higher it is

[reef flower]

On reddit people saying 50 will automatically makes you miss gcd

[ancient ingot]

i feel like when im on rogue its not smooth idk how to explain

[wooden timber]

only lower it if the game isnt receiving the button u want when u get a proc

and it receives the button u were mashing before ur brain recognized the proc instead

on outlaw w 400 it felt not smooth and lowering it fixed it for me but on devourer 400 feels way better

so it just depends

[ancient ingot]

hm ig ye, my sq should be lower because game sometime cant react when i see glow on my sub

[rocky holly]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[ancient ingot]

on sin its ok but also sometimes when i spam and have no CP but already pressed buttons

[wooden timber]

if u lower it u should check logs and make sure theres no gap between ur gcds in dance

bc if so ur gonna lose a dance gcd and thats bad

so dont go too low

[ancient ingot]

i wanna make it like 250-300

[wooden timber]

thats probably fine

just check for gaps though

bc dance duration is really tight

and minor gaps can be a big loss

[spare kayak]

The tags are diabolical

Hahahhahaha

[spice surge]

Assa also doesnt have that many bugs impactful bugs either

[spare kayak]

We better not, cause fbi and omaba are on the case

[quiet star]

do assa performing poorly rly?

[spice surge]

Strong specs got nerfed = assa buff

Fr fr

[quiet star]

demo was almost out of meta

but now he saved

[novel dock]

isnt assa damage like top notch though?

[quiet star]

[spare kayak]

Its not bad, its not meta, and its worse than ranged specs

So I guess its okay for m+

[novel dock]

well speaking specifically for m+

[quiet star]

there is a lot of ranged specs that performs poorly

we just looking on devourer and demo

I mean from logs assa is in first half of dps

so not that bad

[onyx veldt]

fire mage

[quiet star]

actually that's strange but I saw 3 firemages in whole addon but they literally destroyed that dungeon

still keys was 10-12 so doesn't mean anything

[onyx veldt]

i thinks its fine in m+

but raid....

[quiet star]

while outlaw outraging assassination have a relaxing time

[plush isle]

Trump would reply.

[quiet star]

20% nerfs for rogues in eu

[frosty cedar]

It would be over for me

[reef flower]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-wrong-zoom-gif-5596309990025496785

[quiet star]

just checked havoc damage after first pull

must be very interesting spec to play

[limber glen]

Swap immolation Aura with collapsing star and u created devourer

[lyric grail]

in algethar as assa what buff do i take ? i got nonbuffed 44% crit and 19% haste

[spice surge]

Vers

[iron thorn]

No way?

It’s flat 5% right so it doesn’t count for dr does it?

[spice surge]

Its 3% for all of them

[cinder mountain]

If I got kingsbane offynced from DM, how long is it worth to wait for syncing again

[spice surge]

3% vers is ~162 secondaries worth of stats, 3% haste is ~132 worth of secondaries

Since it takes a lot more stats to get 1% of vers

[crystal heath]

is better to play sub then assa in next patch comes with ups/nerfs?

[analog hedge]

wait i thought ure joking

so the play on AA is vers? I always tske crit lol

[balmy condor]

I don't think crit vs vers matters that much

[spice surge]

Should be similar in terms of damage but you also take less damage

[balmy condor]

ye

[spice surge]

And the boy that gives the buff is more on the way

So

[analog hedge]

which color is vers again

is it red

[balmy condor]

ah yes, the most important part

[spice surge]

Its the one to the right of the stairs towards first boss

[balmy condor]

[analog hedge]

Ah k k

[spice surge]

The dungeons are timed you know!

[analog hedge]

should be red then

good to know

[balmy condor]

I cast cursed technique: infinite haste APLs

upon casting my cursed technique, you are placed in a prison of your own making, an APL for every haste value, having to design and tweak and edit and redesign again

[onyx veldt]

[spice surge]

If you dont shut your yapper ill find another assa bug in simc

[spice surge]

Banger pic

[subtle tundra]

wheres the truth bomb

[balmy condor]

right here :pantsgrab:

[subtle tundra]

ok babydoll

[gusty pagoda]

alright question for the hivemind, I'm just now starting to try and push for the season { have been in and out of hospital along other things} im currently 3394 so 6 off from 3400 ive got almost all 16's and 1 17 so far. I've played sub since the start of this expansion and enjoy playing it and having fun, but the more i look at logs and raiderio the more i see sin being played / doing better overall in higher keys. The goal is to push for high 19-20 keys this season just to push myself as a player. Do i start swapping to sin at this point so i have a better chance at pushing in keys or just stay sub since im still raiding. Sidenote i have myth gaze/pbox along with myth guidon and plenty of gear to stat swap and be fine to play either spec at the moment. Thanks all

[brave gyro]

How are you under 3400 if you have a 17 and most 16s?

Im over 3400 with 3x15 and rest 16s

You can play any of the 3 specs tbf, but Assa's prio dmg is rly good

[gusty pagoda]

idkk man i just play the game

[brave gyro]

That's wild

[gusty pagoda]

i wish it was higher

[brave gyro]

MT is probably the easiest 16 you can do

[gusty pagoda]

yeah im working on it, hopefully before tuesday ill be closer to 3500

[brave gyro]

Both outlaw and Assa are doing really good. Outlaw gets nerfed on reset, Assa unchanged

[gusty pagoda]

just in a struggle of which spec to play and just wanted to gather some opinions before deciding

[brave gyro]

Assa I prefer, mostly because it's less punishing and prio dmg is just extra viable

It is quite squishy though

And depending on how tanks pull, your dmg might vary more than on outlaw

[gusty pagoda]

I'll sadly probably be puggin more then anything, So as long as they are a good tank i should be alright but you just never know with some people. Its good to know that its more squishy though i did play sin all through TWW so it shouldnt be hard for me to pick back up at all.

[shell crater]

Outlaw gets buffed no?

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t that be nice

It’s like a 5% nerf

[shell crater]

I just saw “all damage increased by 5%”

[balmy condor]

Yeah

But if you get a 10% nerf

[shell crater]

And sub got all damage increased by 7%

[balmy condor]

And a 5% buff

You’re still -5%

Sub is like a 1-2% buff

[shell crater]

Am I missing something? What’s causing the nerf

[balmy condor]

Cloud cover got obliterated

[mighty rapids]

Cloud cover got a huge nerf

[shell crater]

I was dooming cos I thought assa was being left behind again

[mighty rapids]

Its the reason for all their dmg

[balmy condor]

12.0.5 launched, reworked cloud cover, it was legit a 15% talent for outlaw

That’s obviously really stupid

So now it got brought back down to earth

[spice surge]

It wasnt even a 15% talent, it was 15% better than the other talent

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[shell crater]

Ah

[quasi osprey]

Dont let outlaw channel see u typing this

[mighty rapids]

I mean the funny thing is that even with the huge buff outlaw was good but not insanely broken....imagine something like mage or devourer getting a 15% buff

[spice surge]

I mean the sane outlaws agree with him, but you can want the talent to be more reasonable without tanking a nerf for it

[balmy condor]

Yeah mb, hero talent worth 30% and more than half the value is coming from a random choice node in the middle of the tree, very normal and well balanced

[brave stump]

somewhere @royal lantern is smiling that outlaw got put down again

[balmy condor]

I would assume Germany

[royal lantern]

I LITERALLY JUST STARTED MY PC

BRO

and nah, wtf is blizz doing

outlaw catching bigger nerfs then unholy and devourer is just crazy

[grim jay]

well deserved

fuck outlaw

[brave stump]

dw outlaw will get compensated for it next addon

rogue getting nerfed in wow

rogue getting nerfed in d4

life is pain

[spice surge]

Just dont play outlaw, then youre getting a buff

[brave stump]

finally seeing the puddles on crown again progging on sub

[royal lantern]

fuck crown btw

[brave stump]

fuck this season as melee btw

[royal lantern]

visual clusterfuck to a absurd degree

[spice surge]

I always figured you were anti-monarchy

[royal lantern]

yes sure, give me purple enemys with purple shields that have a purple laser comming out of them with purple adds that spawn purple puddles while players ge obilisks thhat spawn a puple circle with purple line in a purple arena

fuck you blizzard

srsly

[brave stump]

its called

theme

its the purple addon

[warm vortex]

Haha lmao
Your the outlaw hater ig

[subtle tundra]

why did i open outlaw channel

worst mistake of 2026 so far

and ive made some mistakes...

like tequila last weekend

[brave gyro]

Outlaw caught a bigger nerf than DDH, Unholy and Aug

The Lizzard's Way - Rules for Rogues alone

[dawn trout]

"looks like DDH is op lets nerf outlaw"

[lapis lantern]

Was outlaw outperforming every ad spec in m+?

[brave gyro]

I was gonna write a witty, sarcastic response, but don't have it in me anymore

No, it wasn't outperfoming

Just being a rogue spec was its biggest flaw

[brave stump]

outlaws sprinkling over in other channels reaching for empathy

[warped moon]

outlaw fake rogue spec

[radiant aspen]

em so i was wondering why puzzle is better then emberwing feather

[balmy condor]

More better burst

Mastery in cds is huge

[radiant aspen]

🙁

outlaw should be gunslinger blizzard

make gun rogue spec

[cinder mountain]

how long is worth the wait for kingsbane and deathmark to sync

[iron thorn]

why did it desync in the first place?

[cinder mountain]

I moved around between the packs or w/e in keys

it can happen

[iron thorn]

mb i think too much in raid terms for rogue

[cinder mountain]

no worries 🙂

[hollow dirge]

This is more of a question where you are in dungeon and what pulls you expect to do next, than how much to wait for sync

[cinder mountain]

ofc, but number wise if DM is 40 second to go and I have the kingsbane, what to do in theory?

[native sun]

Imo, if the pac is big enough or you need to make sure the npc dies before a mechanic, I kingsbane and wait the 20s for it to resync. Youll also have times in a fight where you just cant damage anything or forced to do mechanics (M Dragons fear for instance during intermission). Its really subjective to what youre doing in that moment.

[supple monolith]

hello new to assas anyone have like a video or smth that i can study how to play this spec

Will mainly do m+

[cinder mountain]

Yea, this makes sense to me, this is what I do currently, but wasn't sure if waiting 20 seconds for DM is a big deal, its big cd afterall, so I'm wondering about math mathing 😄

[shell crater]

https://youtu.be/v5YsyRXp_aM?si=3vDpBd8wMOsUhQXF

[cinder mountain]

For the sake of key ofcourse there is gazillion situations where you calculate what pack are you killing now what is next, maybe enxt one you will not even need the burst etc

But there must be numbers behind it maybe only god @balmy condor knows that

[humble verge]

theres actually no way

that cloud lasted

less than a week

[polar sail]

assa no buff is crazy

[gusty pagoda]

decided to test sin out and see how it is so i went into a 13 pit just so i could maybe get the wedding ring by chance and to see how the dmg was compared to sub and this is how it went lmao

[polar sail]

assa is good in high key

[candid jasper]

Is it worth overcapping combo points when spreading bleeds on big m+ pulls? or is it always worth dropping envenom at max combos