assassination

[slim pebble]

Honestly probably not worth the crests right now

[bright hemlock]

i just dont want to pass on myth dagger with avoidance and then be sadge later

i currently have myth dagger (kriks) with farstriders mercy

im trying to see if two myth daggers is better haha

[candid jasper]

!talents

[spring creek]

so what do y'all think of negotiable contract? or is finish the job just always better

[glass moon]

hey guys i been working on rogue for a while now - wondering what profession is good for rogue ? ? thinking either JC or LW

[spice surge]

Struggling to come up with a talent that would be more useless than negotiable contract

The talent itself provides almost no value whatsoever, so yeah you'd always pick finish the job above it

[spring creek]

Sanguine Vial might legit do nothing

[spice surge]

That is true, but it might do something

Which cannot be said for negotiable contract

[spring creek]

true i mean what if i get thirsty mid fight with open world mobs and i need a sip of my potion

goated talent

[storm forum]

are we back?

[spring creek]

we've never been so back

[storm forum]

i missed y'all

i had to ragebait in the priest discord to keep myself occupied

[lapis lantern]

do you guys think there will be another class tunings the next weeks?

[bright hemlock]

why not just add negotiable contract onto finish the job

would be a nice quality of life to have it bounce to a new target if the target dies

[hushed vortex]

what ilvl for a +9 / + 10?

[stone yacht]

is it your own key or not

at the start of the season we were all doing +10s with like ilvl 245 gear

but realistically you are not getting invited without 270ish ilvl gear because there's literally 100s of applicants to 10s rn

[junior yoke]

do we always let the 80% buff hit in? or just if we're starving?

I mean it's always 5 envenoms and wait ofr the 80% energy regen?

[junior yoke]

thank u very much

[buoyant herald]

There’s no inherent benefit to any profession anymore, but by doing leatherworking you can save yourself some trouble finding a crafter for you and and leather/mail alts

[gray hazel]

!cdm

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it without an addon. It can mostly be ignored without losing more than ~0.8%

If you'd like an addon to track implacable, search for Nooka Implacable or use the Curseforge Link

[gray hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[humble verge]

we are so back

[lime edge]

I use it on sudden demise build

[balmy condor]

don't bait the guy man

[fallow canopy]

Well... hopefully its bait... unless...

[lime edge]

No meme

It doubles your execute range

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-tired-defense-attorney-gif-16561819978059471836

[lime edge]

Then bounces

Then doubles it again

[fallow canopy]

[lime edge]

Etc

[weary stump]

why would it be called sudden demise if it wasnt suddenly good at causing demise

[balmy condor]

some people cannot be helped

and I have to recognize that

[weary stump]

not even therapy can cure the crazy that is contained within some of us

[stone yacht]

[bright hemlock]

is the upgraded myth items only for 285 crafted weapons and trinekts? or is it ANY myth track + crafted weapons and trinkets

not just the crafted ones

[slim pebble]

Any weapon or trinket

[severe meadow]

There’s like 2-3 people in here that I have given up on

[bright hemlock]

so in thoery a myth weapon will upgrade to a higher ilvl than a crafted piece will, so two myth weapons is probs going to be bis

[severe meadow]

In recent times

[balmy condor]

no

289 mainhand, 285 offhand

[bright hemlock]

what makes the crafted offhand so good, the embellsihment?

[balmy condor]

offhands are terrible slots

[spice surge]

Its moreso the fact that offhand dps does not meaningfully contribute to your dps

And its got the least amount of stats on it out of any slot

[bright hemlock]

word. thanks for the help

[spice surge]

So since embellishments have to be somewhere, the offhand is the ideal place to lose some ilvls

[warped moon]

jeez do i want a myth head piece or do i want a myth warbanner

no i will not sim

:)

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-used-to-be-believable-baited-jebaited-bait-i-got-jebaited-gif-1296286127798996733

[warped moon]

i think i might do the warbanner

[severe meadow]

Take warbanner but then delete it

[balmy condor]

warbanner is more mats when disenchanted

trust

[warped moon]

these are good tips ty

[lucid walrus]

is myth warbanner actually poo poo trinket? its in my vault for my 255 ilvl alt rogue and the other vault choices are doo doo nuggets

[warped moon]

i think it is a pretty good trinket! i went with the hat though, just cause it's a myth tier piece

[waxen oyster]

with the bonus roll system you're better off taking an extra bonus roll

[lucid walrus]

good point

[severe meadow]

How do I compete with this

[waxen oyster]

call PETA

[misty bobcat]

is it evrey hunter spec

[severe meadow]

unsure

[viscid spear]

I love cheese pizza

[vital flicker]

I don't actually know that Deathmark is synergistic with Sudden Demise like it used to be, the way it's worded. It used to actually double your bleeds but now it just doubles the damage done by them

[lime edge]

why wouldnt double dmg work with sudden demise

[spice surge]

Bold of you to assume things work like the tooltip suggests

[haughty flicker]

[spring creek]

i tried playing sub but its so unfun compared to ass

we (yes we) all love ass

[loud light]

I think the question would be around the way SD treats the damage amp from Deathmark. Technically the total bleed damage value is the same as before you pressed Deathmark, but now there's a debuff that makes the target take extra from bleeds. Question is if the SD trigger math includes that or not.

[lime edge]

i mean dont dmg amps work with sd

like the dmg from envenom

or zoldyck

[spice surge]

As far as i could tell it seems to be

But for example singular focus does not trigger when you sudden demise

[balmy condor]

that's the neat part, we don't know

it's all scripted

the only way to find out would be to do the math by hand

[coral ibex]

the thing about SD tho is DM only applies to one target

[lime edge]

ok i have an idea

[loud light]

(note that none of this changes the fact that intentionally taking negotiable contract for the purpose of SD juicing is nutso behavior)

[lime edge]

what if i just assume it works

and go with it

[low silo]

1+1=2, math done

[lime edge]

[balmy condor]

then it's still a shit talent

[lime edge]

i mean

[spice surge]

For all we know the 10% from finish the job could work twice on demise, or i could not work at all

[lime edge]

in low keys dm/kb in general dont last long

so the 10% from finish barely applies

[coral ibex]

bro i just did a 12 with a frost mage and an aug and packs were dying before i could finish all of shadowblades or even get my 2nd sectec

what spec do you play when nothing lives

[loud light]

who cares

[coral ibex]

ME

[fresh kelp]

outlaw

[pine flare]

so i know the answer is sim it, but if I have in vault krick's stabber or puzzle box (currently wielding crafted MH and Hero OH, and hero puzzle box), any intuition? I imagine the mythic puzzle box is kinda BIS, whereas I can get hungering dagger off second boss Mythic (guild is 2 bosses deep in mythic)

[coral ibex]

the gameplay feel of watching your cooldowns tick as you run to the next pack is up there with literally swimming in my own feces

[viscid spear]

If your group can reliably kill M Vors then I would just wait for it to drop, and pick up Myth Box.

[zealous moth]

Or just try pugging it, first two are pretty easy as long as people can do 1 mechanic and click on adds

[viscid spear]

He said his guild is 2/6 Mythic

I'm assuming the second kill is Vorasius and not Saladbar

I'm also assuming gender

[zealous moth]

i cannot read

my bad

[vital flicker]

I swear Deathmark doean't work with sudden demise because it doesn't actually double the damage of the dot remaining, each tick just hits twice as hard. Also it just doesn't feel like it does in practice but that is anecdotal

[spice surge]

Its insanely ass to test sudden demise

[lime edge]

the actual tooltip shouldnt matter

[spice surge]

So who knows

[lime edge]

but who knows

[balmy condor]

yeah the tooltip

is dogass

[viscid spear]

[spice surge]

(obviously 100% from DM isnt too hard, but smaller numbers are almost impossible)

Im having a hard time even picturing a way to setup a reliable way to test sudden demise values

Ok apparently discord had a stroke and sent those in the wrong order

[lime edge]

[vital flicker]

I just believe that the intended way for these abilities to work with the way the tooltip are worded in theory wouldn't have deathmark work with sudden demise. Obviously I have no idea how it is coded but if you assume that ticks from rupture and garrote are just doubled and not the overall remaining damage there is no synergy

especially since deathmark very clearly doesn't increase the damage shown on the garrote/rupture dot

[spice surge]

Surely next tier set focuses more on the bleed aspect of the spec instead of the poison one right?
I wanna demisemaxx without playing weird fringe stuff

[vital flicker]

the sad part is that our current tier set does focus on bleeds and it is still like this

[balmy condor]

I don't think my mental can survive another season of bleed build

[vital flicker]

you don't think the people trying to explain why the bleed builds are good this season are worse?

[balmy condor]

no

[vital flicker]

I don't think my mental can handle another talent rework before they fix the current cook

[balmy condor]

that I can handle

[royal lantern]

cant wait for another tier set that is Mastery in disguise

[balmy condor]

there's just a special type of idiot

that sudden demise and bleed builds attract

[coral ibex]

i want a tierset thats like

[balmy condor]

and they are very confidently incorrect, very loudly

[vital flicker]

hey that's me

[lime edge]

i like when tiersets actually do something

and not just dmg buff

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-thats-me-only-me-gif-13516013

[royal lantern]

could not be assa

[spice spire]

He said stupid not cute

[coral ibex]

just gimme uhhh

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

i can KINDA understand it i gues, like you do lower content, see SD do a big number and go "wtf thats so strong why dont we play around that??????"

[coral ibex]

2p x% haste per envenom like ironfur
4p uncapped kingsbane

[royal lantern]

the problem is when you explain it, and they refuse to understand it

[coral ibex]

i can be trusted

[balmy condor]

correct

[fallow canopy]

let me cook, what about if we get 7 of the same side coinflips in a row, your kb and dm cds get reduced

[spice spire]

Buddy your choice of deck alone says naur

[balmy condor]

counterpoint, your choice of dick alone says naur

[spice spire]

I don’t choose dick so?

Checkmate lil gup

[balmy condor]

sure bud

[spice surge]

2p: Kingsbane is now uncapped and counts as a bleed.
4p: Kingsbane now gain stacks when your bleeds tick.

[spice spire]

Don’t project ur feelings upon me buddy

Or I’ll subject u to more Quakewar

[coral ibex]

now THATS a cook

[balmy condor]

you don't choose dick, and the pope isn't jewish

get real

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m gonna deep dick u

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/penetration-oh-god-wood-log-lumber-gif-16186956

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/golem-shit-ass-pokemon-pokemon-stadium-gif-8688892287206344649

[royal lantern]

hey i dont kinkshame if you are into that stuff

but pls clean up afterwards

[loud light]

re: sudden demise testing, is SD still broken as hell out in the open world with the ilvl scaling?

[spice surge]

Yep

[balmy condor]

it worked fine during leveling

but then ilvl scaling at max level broke it

cause of course

[spice surge]

So technically you could test it on a lower level character ig

But thats some jank

[indigo mulch]

I'm an SD enjoyer.

[random pelican]

what's the new resource bar to use

[viscid spear]

[vital flicker]

aren't we all

[pallid cape]

what dungeon to roll my voidcores in? i dont mythic raid so

[acoustic roost]

Pit

Algathar for the puzzle box

[pallid cape]

sweet ty

[acoustic roost]

Also

[meager latch]

GL in Pit i have done 9 rolls and there are 7 items and now only missing dagger lol.

[proven moth]

The rolls takes from the obtainable loot and can't be duplicated right? Take the loot out of the pool so if I don't get it in the 1st key I have more chances on the following runs?

[spice surge]

Correct

[proven moth]

welp going back to school folks

[meager latch]

correct. but i got the 3 refunded so 6 have been taken out of the 7 just now waiting for the last one next week lol

[rugged basalt]

BONER LOOT ROLLLLLL

[coral ibex]

boner they say

[rugged basalt]

i stayed up to 2 am for this

[indigo mulch]

I will not deny it.

[viscid spear]

boner, I hardly know er

[severe meadow]

I have yet to do this

Is it cool and epic

[viscid spear]

Eh, as a Rogue it's piss easy

You can just avoid most of the shit and only kill what's needed

[pallid cape]

1st try xD

[viscid spear]

This was the only one that pissed me off

[hazy sundial]

What is this?

[pallid cape]

whats good from pit to roll for then ? neck and weapon is it?

[viscid spear]

Ritual Sites

[normal mist]

Everything

But cloak

[severe meadow]

What do you even get from it

[pallid cape]

sweet

[viscid spear]

Only things I have left

I also have every Tier 2 recolor so there's isn't a lot left for me to be excited about

[rugged basalt]

how do you get the recolors

i got every rogue related thing from the chests

[hazy sundial]

Is it bad to send all bonus rolls in PoS first until i get all items i need and then switch to academy?

[rugged basalt]

how many is all

2 or 3?

[hazy sundial]

5

[rugged basalt]

do u have a myth dagger?

[hazy sundial]

285 crafted and hero 6/6

[coral ibex]

feelin large before reclear tn

[rugged basalt]

dagger neck waist ring (not in order) is what you'd love

cloak bad, wrist bad if crafted, legs mid

u can max out most of it i reckon

[rugged basalt]

juicy

[hazy sundial]

So send all in PoS first then go for AA?

[rugged basalt]

ya more value

i hope u wont need 5 to just hit kekw

[hazy sundial]

Yeah though so

Knowing my luck ill need 6

[rugged basalt]

dont be sad if u get wrist/cloak since its still agility

whats ur 2nd crafted slot

[hazy sundial]

Wrist

[rugged basalt]

u can cry if u get wrist actually

maybe get it first so its out of the way yk

[hazy sundial]

Fr

[viscid spear]

wdym?

[hazy sundial]

Did they limit how many bonus rolls will be total? Like 9 chips last season?

[fallow canopy]

unknown I think, prob not capped if I had to guess

[hazy sundial]

9 chips was super cringe

[spice surge]

No

2 per week

[fallow canopy]

you could get unlucky if they are capped

so that would be ultra cringe

dinars were capped since they were targeted is the logic I assume

[latent kernel]

im confused, how did they fix implacable in the cdm?

im seeing the one that tracks my stacks, but not the one that shows the duration of the actual energy regen buff

[plain thistle]

they separated the buffs

just put both in the cdm

[latent kernel]

yeah im not sure if im blind but i literally dont see it

[fallow canopy]

they have the same name, icon and tooltip

but there's 2

[latent kernel]

nfw

thats actually so dumb lmfao

why tf would they make it the same name icon and tooltip lmfao

genuinely was looking for like 10 min

[zealous moth]

Bc we're talking about blizzard doing things for rogue

They don't care enough to give us an actual fix

[fallow canopy]

[zealous moth]

So they just put a bandaid on it

[latent kernel]

actually so troll lmao

[zealous moth]

Literally all they had to do is Implacable regen over > do you have implacable stacks? > If yes show stacks

Hell they could even make it show the duration AND stacks if it is overlapping

[spice surge]

Idk you dont care about tracking the energy anyway

[zealous moth]

True

But the way it was before was worse

[fallow canopy]

there's probably some spaguetti or something complicating it but at least its trackable now

[zealous moth]

Oh you have 50 stacks? I dunno man, regen was active so i lost track :^)

[zealous moth]

True

Still wish it was an actually worked on fix tho

Least they could do after taking an entire month to address it

[latent kernel]

it was a low priority bug on a low population class

just be grateful it got addressed lol

[zealous moth]

Oh yeah for sure

Thats what im saying

[viscid spear]

Is it added to this?

[coral ibex]

no it goes with your buffs

[plain thistle]

yeah, buffs, here

[viscid spear]

So I just drag it up?

[coral ibex]

yes

[viscid spear]

Wonder what else I should drag up

[rugged basalt]

Is purple the recolor I’m not bright

[plain thistle]

I do this, but its preference

evasion and cloak has a sound when the effect ends

and garrote is the improved buff, not the dot, same for rupture (scent of blood)

@coral ibex are you doing beloren as assa or sub?

[coral ibex]

assa

[viscid spear]

Yeah, I turned some on and fought a boss, I think just Implac is enough for me

[onyx veldt]

yh idk

imma give up

on pugging chim

[latent kernel]

my lights potential rank 3 isnt casting with my dm

idk why

[plain thistle]

do you have all ids?

[viscid spear]

Are they in the same Egg Group?

[onyx veldt]

just do /use Light's Potential

[rugged basalt]

people do multiple lines to consume all fleeting ones first, then normal, level 2 then 1 for each

[latent kernel]

Sometimes doing it by name just does not work

It’s aggravating

[onyx veldt]

check if its fleeting light's potential

idk

[latent kernel]

Can you link copy paste this macro

So I can steal

[plain thistle]

#showtooltip
/cast Deathmark
/use Blood Fury
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309

[rugged basalt]

Was about to paste as well

[latent kernel]

Does it matter if DM is first or last?

[rugged basalt]

I doubt it, is yours backwards?

[latent kernel]

Yuh I had it last but it was literally working until about 2 min ago

[rugged basalt]

I know people also add stop channel before /use

[latent kernel]

does this use fleetings first?

[rugged basalt]

Fleeting then crafted, lvl 2 then 1

Ya

[latent kernel]

jokes on you i only have on kind in my inventory anyways

[rugged basalt]

I only have crafted lvl 1 now lol

I buy lvl2 if I’m first clearing smth

[rugged basalt]

[zealous moth]

bro that emoji is crazy

i joined that server so fast

[coral ibex]

ok yea group 1 for chim is way better

holy

that was so easy

[onyx veldt]

why

[coral ibex]

you go down right after dm ends but with imp gar still running

so you just ct spread it to all the adds

[onyx veldt]

oh

[coral ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6wNRHd1gvMQpy8T4?fight=3&type=damage-done&source=224

im sloppy

[onyx veldt]

idk ill just pray for gaze in vault at this point

for beloren do you go ST talent or no?

[coral ibex]

no i think cleave but no ct

[misty kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1497437502980489286/1498216803963506799/2026-04-2708-56-45-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[zealous moth]

goes hard af

[coral ibex]

man i was excited about a new zerocool gif and then its literally just the goat

wb king hair looks great

huge boe drop for ol noojie

[fallow canopy]

holy billionaire

[hazy sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/the-return-of-the-king-lord-of-the-rings-ro-tk-title-card-gif-22191928

[jaunty sky]

I only saw the tooltip and was about to ask where you play if a myth chest is only 50k

[amber brook]

Are we able to cloak Luras AOE circle (M+)

[coral ibex]

cloak immunes basically everything for the first second

[viscid spear]

Accidentally used a roll on Crown

[wide ferry]

just completed a level 3 delve and got the achievement, didnt die once, but it wont let me go to level 4....tf lol anyone else have this happen

[digital elk]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/bonus-roll-confirm

[viscid spear]

Was trying to roll on sword and man am I fucking tired

[digital elk]

rip

complain to blizzard that it's too easy to accidentally roll improperly and you'll get a refund

[viscid spear]

I wish I could undo it

Now I only have a single roll for Pit

At least this is doing numbers

[storm forum]

i dont think ive ever been this close to a rank 1 parse

[celest ruin]

well if someone else gets 3 pi

[storm forum]

Yeah being behind 3 PIs the top guy and 2 ilvl behind the next one makes me feel pretty good about it

[spring creek]

but what magic trick did you do to get like 10k dps above everyone

[celest ruin]

guild decided were not reclearing heroic paladins anymore

priest got a bit mad since he doesnt have the trinket and decided to pi a random person

i got lucky

[spring creek]

lol

[wooden jasper]

is there a bug

with assassination trick of trade?

i keep getting aggro on pull??

[balmy condor]

tricks doesn't work on the first attack from stealth

but that's not an assa bug

that's just how that works

[wooden jasper]

but like

they pull the boss

then i engage?

like i see vennel walk up

then i teleport

and attack

[balmy condor]

[wooden jasper]

but get aggro

[haughty flicker]

if they arent taunting on pull you can just immediately rip aggro if you go too early

or they're body pulling and you immediately get aggro when you attack

either wait a second or call your tank slurs, either way should fix it

oh third option is ranged is pulling early

[wooden jasper]

but its vanguards

mythic

they cant aggro all 3

if range is pulling early

and then i engage with trick of trade

why would i get aggro ?

[haughty flicker]

i mean whispyr just told you it doesnt work on the first attack

plus if ranged pulls early sometimes they just melee the first target near them

before actually attacking the person who pulled

[balmy condor]

yeh

paladins is ripe for aggro issues with 3 targets

[wooden jasper]

So if i understand well

If a range pull the 1st boss,

then I go in and attack with trick of trade

I would get it?

but wouldnt that logic be flawed cause the range is generating threat before me?

[haughty flicker]

threat doesnt really follow logic

its more a vibes thing

ask the dh that presses hunt on pull and gets one shot

not that anyone in my guild would do that

[balmy condor]

very possible yes

[coral ibex]

nvm my raid is too boss brained and i have to swap to sub to do less boss dam but more burst

pushing boss at like 1:30

[plain thistle]

[onyx veldt]

i shoud prob do that too

if im going to pug belo

[plain thistle]

yeah, that's what i thought

will start prog tomorrow

[drifting cloud]

doesnt sub do more with fart cloud now

[coral ibex]

not with me piloting it

[shy creek]

u guys arent holding damage?

[coral ibex]

im bad at sub

[fallow canopy]

I believe in you

[onyx veldt]

yes

[fallow canopy]

p1 sub is basically afking :

[shy creek]

idt nooj is talking abt heroic

[fallow canopy]

he isnt

[coral ibex]

lol

no my guild is just full of dummies who dont think

[shy creek]

😭 thats rough

we have like

idk

9 people literally afk p1

[icy fox]

For M+, do you spread your dots to all mobs first before you KB + DM + Trinket?

[balmy condor]

maybe not all mobs, but if you're doing high enough keys and can afford a couple of gcds

then yeah press ct a couple times

[storm forum]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[latent kernel]

are you dumping envenoms in between, or just throwing a few CTs out there to build up the agi buff?

[balmy condor]

always envenoming

wasting combo points really bad

[cerulean nest]

"Ignoring buff duration is totally fine outside of the apex" does this mean just slam envenoms until 80 stacks then let drop if the conditions are met? aka no need to wait to clip the end of env buff and extend like in older iterations?

and second question, do we follow this dropping-envenom logic during cooldowns?

[coral ibex]

you will basically not run out of energy during DM

its almost impossible

[cerulean nest]

right I figured. during lone KB though probably will happen

[coral ibex]

yea, its fine

[cerulean nest]

or at least easier to make happen

[coral ibex]

most poison applications are from melee swings

so just let envenom expire and refresh immediately

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[coral ibex]

only pool at 5+ cp

[cerulean nest]

how about the first question? slam envs if I have the energy and dont worry about pooling each envenom for maximum buff duration?

[coral ibex]

like if the apex drops as ur building ur next envenom while at 80 thats fine

yes

just slam envenoms

[cerulean nest]

man this spec is easy now lmao

[balmy condor]

the secret is that it's kinda always been this

but people overcomplicated it for a decade

like the big change for assa in midnight is shiv removal

and the rest is like

basically identical

[cerulean nest]

eh yeah I just mean like the opener with shivs used to be fun to nail in raid, and m+ complicated plate spinning had a lot more skill it feels like

still fun of course, just missing that deeper satisfaction for me a bit

[storm forum]

I do not like our cleave build

I wanna pres mut and get blindside procs

Not spin like a beyblade wannabe

[slim pebble]

First pit of the week

finally

[onyx veldt]

grats brother

[balmy condor]

!ban @dreamy crater spam

[rapid patio]

how many marks of implacable do you recommend to reset? and do you use to reset mid pack?

[balmy condor]

you go to 80, which is the cap

if you're empty on energy, let it drop

if you're fine on energy, don't drop it

[nimble locust]

I came here to ask a question on implacable as well, in the 6 seconds when you want to let it drop what are we typically suppose to be doing? Casting mutilate, aa or otherwise?

[golden loom]

Tab to 2nd screen and change song

[uncut orbit]

how comparable is emberwing feather to puzzle box, cause i got a myth track feather in vault

[nimble locust]

So kinda just let my guy auto attack?

[worn geyser]

do any of you know, on mythic beloren, if u cloak first soak can u cheat the second soak ? or do you gotta do it the other way around

[nimble locust]

Thank you

[balmy condor]

you can just feint every one

[cunning needle]

you still need an external with feint

[worn geyser]

wait really, like if ur solo soaking with the 2 guys

[fallow canopy]

Are you targeted or assigned to soak?

[cunning needle]

unless you know some secret technique

[balmy condor]

we just have AMZ on every soak and it's fine

[worn geyser]

assigned soak, well technically backup but ye

[cunning needle]

damn imagine having DKs

[fallow canopy]

You can cloak one and cheat the other yes

[worn geyser]

kk bet, ty

kinda also was wondering since im backup for the last orb soak too so if some crazy world happens, i wanna sure i have cloak for it , but ye thats goated

[fallow canopy]

Not sure which one you are assigned but if you are playing sub and not really doing damage and just stacking supercharger you can also dance for the 10% dr + feint

[worn geyser]

ah im playing sin, i have no guidon and im also probably 5-10% worse at it so i just stayed sin since on 12.0 seemed egg dmg is similar

im just backup for all circle soaks, and then backup for final orb soak specifically , so kinda is random which

[cunning needle]

its okay we play pbox for birb as sub 🙂

[mellow haven]

Could take a myth hat from vault. Have 6/6 hero atm. Should I take it or better take the additional reroll to go for the beetle dagger 1st?

[vernal gate]

token angle? i already have myth pos ring + crafted

[woeful wigeon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/na8bejTKxoZnywezQTEfeT normal that a 6/6 champion trink sims better then a myth one ? or do i still take it

[balmy condor]

in the situation that you're comparing the single best trinket in the game to one of the worst, yes

that is a very reasonable sim

[spring needle]

Why is Blizzard pushing Outlaw on me, wthelly

[tawny geyser]

What's going on here? I can't sim these items. I tried enabling/disabling gems/enchants but no luck.

[balmy condor]

you are probably requiring a 4 set

and that item would mean you had 3 equipped

[tawny geyser]

Goat...that worked. Thanks

[radiant aspen]

i cant anymore i want to play wowwwwwwwww

https://giphy.com/gifs/sad-p-pe-zGuiJzgLAYyHnRVKmD

[polar sail]

Gg

[old obsidian]

this week for that 3 thing was awesome all myth the rest og gear biss but hero :'c

[rugged basalt]

gm

[ocean garden]

if its fits the window then try to use it to reapply garrote and rupture in the 6 seconds, good time to self-heal with vial as well. i often keep spamming envenoms until I see that I am nearing the window to reapply the dots (with pandemic ~7seconds before they expire,) to better use the time

[rugged basalt]

I can actually do damage in m+ now

[normal mist]

Took you long enough

Smh

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEx5RbrbkAAMGHs.webp

[dire flume]

@rugged basalt do you like my key distribution on my hunter

[onyx veldt]

eww EU ppl waking up

[rugged basalt]

What the helly are u doing to lothraxion

[rugged basalt]

My roller deck of excuses only decreased by one

[cosmic robin]

Guys, are the Kingsbane stacks no longer tracking correctly in CDM?

[normal mist]

I don't know because it makes no difference tracking the stacks

[cosmic robin]

i found it nice to track, since once i had full stacks i was able to target swap

[normal mist]

Why would you

Honest question

[vast shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bJPffK75AqrhfE3JRM1PtY

does it want me to take trinkety hero instead of myth ring??

i dont get the the sims so good

[balmy condor]

really good trinket

[subtle tundra]

taking hc item is 🫩

[balmy condor]

yeh

[vast shuttle]

alright trinket it is

[balmy condor]

idk bout that

I wouldnt take it

but you do you

[vast shuttle]

then i take ring

[balmy condor]

ye

just get aalnseer from chim

[quiet star]

shadowmeld is not useful for restealth right?

[balmy condor]

that is its only purpose

well, it can cheese some targeted spells probably

[inner swift]

there is a 2k sim difference between feather and a myt puzzle box, do i really take the box?

in dungeonslice

[balmy condor]

at the same ilvl?

[inner swift]

yes

[balmy condor]

that's odd

[quiet star]

trying to test with dummies, sometimes stealth is available in shadowmeld, sometimes not

[balmy condor]

welcome to shadowmeld

you have to hit the button

wait

then stealth

[inner swift]

technically no, feather is 276 and box is 2/6 mythic 276
but if i get both to 289 will the gap get bigger?

[onyx veldt]

really bad bro

you should give that trinket to me

[quiet star]

with dummies it's strange - when I jump away few meters stealth available almost instantly
if staying near dummies - I need to wait

[balmy condor]

I'm assuming something is fucked, cause box is just way better

[balmy condor]

welcome to shadowmeld

[inner swift]

lemme send it here in a sec

[balmy condor]

shadowmeld by far the jankiest shit in the game

and I don't think it's close

that button

fucking blows

[quiet star]

interesting

[balmy condor]

shadowmeld is a button that loves to just

do nothing sometimes

[vast shuttle]

i got it in 1 vault slot aswell XD

[normal mist]

Talked with fuu about that... you can shadowstrike from meld wtf

[balmy condor]

yeh

[inner swift]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wLggX7v7qEwMMFn3nBtUAJ

[balmy condor]

yeah okay that's 1.2%

that's very reasonable actually

[inner swift]

guess we just gotta wait 2 sec to pop

[balmy condor]

that's what it do, yeh

[rugged basalt]

im drenched time to do wqs

[onyx veldt]

grats

[open mantle]

i love assa in keys so much fun

[austere whale]

LoL I JUST came here to ask if assa feels fun or clunky in keys. Been wanting to try it out

[open mantle]

its rlly fun way more fun then sub

[austere whale]

Yeah I can't play sub this expansion I will fall asleep

[open mantle]

i only have 3 days play time and im doing double my sub overall dmg which is around 240k

[austere whale]

I rerolled feral when I tried sub lol

[open mantle]

give assa a go only diff is to always have bleeds up or its gg i learned that the hard way

[austere whale]

Yeah I've been playing outlaw and I'm not sure if I like it so I'm gonna try assa ty

[quiet star]

simple but satisfying, no button bloat as well
I guess main depth is to optimize dots uptime on mobs, because it's not that straightforward sometimes

[normal mist]

In really high keys, I assume

[open mantle]

yes did a +18 with an aug

[quiet star]

it looks like on big packs I need to start refreshing bleeds 10 seconds before and not in pandemic

because some dots will fall of if I start in pandemic

[open mantle]

yes i always do it around 9 seconds because of the cleave bleeds i have to do

in my opinion its better

so u dont drop bleeds

[quiet star]

what you do with garrote/rupture desyncs?

[open mantle]

u mean snapshotting ?

[humble verge]

man

i got EVERYTHING but gaze in vault

i even got 2 belo items 😭

[rugged basalt]

boner lootin time

[humble verge]

plume, ring and boots from idk which boss again

alleria boots

hmmge

[ocean garden]

gaze is eluding you (and me)

[open mantle]

AND ME

they hate us

hope i get it in mythic today tho

[quiet star]

not really, I mean actual desync when garrote fall of in 3 sec but you have 10+ rupture

it sounds logical to update both and after that start spreading

[open mantle]

ohhh ye i try and spread both at same time

[quiet star]

I have belt yey

[open mantle]

but im horrible in raid with assa

[humble verge]

i have 2x

[quiet star]

and I have two rolls for stupid weapon in pos

but it feels like I will need to roll next week as well

[rugged basalt]

Hopefully you get a myth dagger so you won't have to

I decided to do a random delve and nullaeus spawned and gave me this

[sharp viper]

nice gz

could be an upgrade

[rugged basalt]

I'm checking

0.8% in raid, 0.9% in m+

Absolute win

[night delta]

Waking up to a neat little surprise

guess I don't need to bonus roll it

[rugged basalt]

aye

[fathom flax]

guys

i fucking

did it

and got a 0

[subtle tundra]

who cares mate

if you got the boss killed

[fathom flax]

just sad i was mechanics man that 1 pull haha

[subtle tundra]

i absolutely despise alleria

[fathom flax]

most other pulls i was top 5 haha

[subtle tundra]

most of the time you dont get to play the game as a melee

[uncut jungle]

quick q - as nelf is shadowmeld -> stealth unreliable for getting improved garotte? I've noticed it happens sometimes but other times i meld and just repply standard garotte

[subtle tundra]

yes meld is not reliable to get into stealth for buffs

it has always been like that

[uncut jungle]

so its just a gamble as to whether it works

[subtle tundra]

thats why nelf isnt recommended

[quaint dragon]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wary reef]

What does it say under rankings on the log, cause for some reason, cosmos logs look weird at first. Congrats btw

[real pike]

Killed with Facts and Logic

alright Ben Shapiro

[rugged basalt]

#14

also wthelly solarflare prism

[analog field]

If I have rolled 2 items in pos last week, but now I want to roll as outlaw to not get dagger. Is it viable or do I reset pull

[plush umbra]

the way I've understood it is that they just add the item you've gotten already to a database and that item can just not be rolled anymore after that (if it's working as intended), so that should mean that it doesn't matter what spec you roll as

[normal mist]

It should

I don't want a sword as assa

[rugged basalt]

huh is loot speccing outlaw the way to go if i already have a myth dagger?

[normal mist]

Would be my best guess

[rugged basalt]

pos doesnt have a sword drop

taking notes for next week then haha

[normal mist]

What i meant was

If the spec "doesn't matter" you could get a sword while specced assa

[iron thorn]

I opened vault as law today even

[normal mist]

Because it could be in the dungeon loot pool

[rugged basalt]

in the gv yes but pos doesnt have sword

so ur just removing an item from the loot table for pos

[normal mist]

That's... not the point

Aaaaah

[iron thorn]

Yeah yeah just in general like if you don’t need a dagger, loot as law

[rugged basalt]

u only have to be careful on magisters terrace

actually no theres a couple of places

[plush umbra]

oh yeah I didn't mean the spec didn't matter in that way

sorry

[rugged basalt]

mace/sword/etc tons to be wary of. PoS just happens to be a holy grail for even more reasons

[plush umbra]

I meant that I think switching loot spec doesn't have any impact on the items that have already been removed from the possible drop table

[rugged basalt]

I hope so

[plush umbra]

since the loot is generated on roll and at that point looks at your lootspec

[normal mist]

Okay thank you sudac, lans was being mean to me

[plush umbra]

but the items should have already been excluded

[rugged basalt]

[analog field]

Can someone try it please? 😂

[plush umbra]

then again, they specifically said they'd not allow dupes and that happened anyway last reset

so who knows at this point

[rugged basalt]

I can only assume that even if the loot table changes, what Sudac said might hold true. Niche example case of, say, boomkin and feral loot spec where it's int vs agi

Yea we're arguing intended mech, but the elephant in the room is do they know if it's working

[plush umbra]

I think it would be very backwards if you could for example get the bracers again in pit of saron if you've already gotten them just by switching from assa to outlaw

but yeah indeed, the elephant in the room is still "did blizzard actually make it work properly"

[drifting cloud]

the dupes were a seperate issue youre just being paranoid now lol loot spec has been in the game for 15 years or whatever

[plush umbra]

yesn't?

as I said, I'm fairly convinced by my own logic, but that doesn't mean that blizzard might not have made separate databases entries per spec for some reason

if it worked as I described I'd be happy, but if someone confirmed you could get dupes by switching lootspecs I wouldn't be surprised at this point

[drifting cloud]

if it was a thing youd hear about it 5 days ago

[rugged basalt]

That's reassuring

@analog field let us know

🪤

[drifting cloud]

would have happened to people on day1 of the roll resets

[rugged basalt]

Not sarcastic I meant it literally

[analog field]

I'm out of town until Monday. I am contemplating doing some keys from laptop or waiting for someone to be a victim of this 😂

[pallid cape]

what embellishment should i put on crafted dagger?

[balmy condor]

darkmoon hunt

[pallid cape]

ty

can it be put on both or just 1?

[spice surge]

It can be put on 2 daggers yes, but you should almost certainly not craft 2 daggers

[balmy condor]

Generally you don’t want to craft more than 1 dagger

[trim knoll]

Anybody got a min to help me figure out the best course of action with my bonus rolls?

[mellow haven]

What item am i upgrading to 298? Is it the myth beetle stabber or the craftet farstrider?

[pallid cape]

ohh really how come? is there a bis weap somewhere else?

[balmy condor]

Mainhand item level is the single biggest stat for dual wield classes

Myth dagger goes 4 ilvl higher

[balmy condor]

See above

[pallid cape]

i see hungering victory is bis but what if i dont mythic raid?

[spice surge]

Literally anything

As long as its higher ilvl

Its good

[shell crater]

There’s plenty of dungeon options

[balmy condor]

Any myth track dagger is better

Secondaries are whatever

You want the ilvl

[trim knoll]

Whispyr can i send you a ss of my char and vault and perhaps get a second opinion on bonus rolls?

[pallid cape]

so spam pit for kricks dagger it is

[normal mist]

He'll say that you can sim it

[trim knoll]

Already did, but i feel like the sims are only proving it more difficult to choose

[normal mist]

Im going to spend them all in pos

Hopefully I don't get the back

[slim pebble]

My first pit of the week

I’m nearly free boyos

[analog field]

@balmy condor do you know if I loot as outlaw in Pit and I have got items from assa spec last Friday can I roll the duplicates?

[trim knoll]

I already sent 2x rolls in PoS last week (actually 4, but hotfix etc) Got 1x cloak, 2x waists and 1x wrists.
Currently rocking 2x Crafted daggers, got the Nexus-Point dagger in vault, but my trinkets atm are hero puzzle and crucible.
The top 3 items that sim the highest for me (in order) Void ring from Nexus-Point, Wedding ring from PoS and Puzzlebox

So basically I'm torn between "giving up" on PoS after using rolls, taking dagger from vault and start rolling academy/Nexus-point/Skyreach or just sending rolls into PoS, hoping for dagger, take #3 roll instead of vault and so on

[balmy condor]

Nah, if you got the ring for example, that’s just removed regardless of loot spec

[analog field]

Ok perfect thanks I will be the beta tester for you guys

[balmy condor]

If there’s nothing but the dagger in your vault, I would probably take bonus roll from vault and 3x pos just to be done with it and then you can move on to other things

[trim knoll]

Alright thanks!

[quaint dragon]

Will 2 298 daggers be bis and 2arcanoweave crafted or still 298dagger+ 295craft dagger and 1arcanoweave

[balmy condor]

Craft recommendations don’t change with the ilvl bump

Crafted dagger technically is slightly better to craft than before

[quaint dragon]

okay thx

[golden loom]

bruh that is stinky

my giga rat warrior alt rolled a myth gaze tho ofc

[quaint dragon]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[clear knoll]

Is there somewhere/pin I can see the current best build for m+?

[quaint dragon]

wowhead

[pallid cape]

i must be doing something seriously wrong my damage is so bad xD

[rugged basalt]

[analog hedge]

rolled bonus roll for the first time , on algethar

didnt realize it hurts when u dont win 😔

[normal mist]

You did win

You're one item closer to win

[real pike]

does anyone know how I can hide the Focus unit frame without hiding Target in base ui? there must be a way surely

[rugged basalt]

The cloak and wrist are pretty unfortunate but the other 3 can be kind of used

[analog hedge]

thats the most positive thing ive heard in a while

bless u

[normal mist]

People wouldn't stop trying if they knew they were only 5 or 6 tries from succeeding

[golden loom]

[analog hedge]

4 chances, 5 items in the pool

[golden loom]

even winning these?

[analog hedge]

surely i wont reach pity right?

[normal mist]

Hopefully not

[analog hedge]

time to find another algethar key

[rugged basalt]

Is the box the only thing you need?

[analog hedge]

yea sadly

all the pieces are already myth and it isnt an upgrade according to raidbots

thinking about rolling in saron but i think puzzle box is the better option

👀

[analog field]

In general hero pbox is fine and having more mythic items in the long run will be better

but if you have no myth crests no point

[rugged basalt]

its a diff of like 60 mast and 6 agi iirc

[analog field]

I know for example that gaze is not worth upgrading

[rugged basalt]

I get best coverage in PoS bc of neck, shitty cloak, ring. AA as my backup for shitty cloak, meh legs and ok ring lol

[analog field]

even wrists

[rugged basalt]

I should've 289'd chest instead of gaze

[analog field]

you can craft another item

and be kinda the same

[rugged basalt]

I can fix it next week anyhow

[keen kite]

hello, guys can u help me , u cant choose play assa or outlaw in m +(coming back to wow after long break). which one has more overal dmg / more prio dmg/ more utilities and stuff can u tell me ?

[rugged basalt]

Genuinely you'd do just fine playing whichever of the two you like better

Boils down to preference they are both solid right now

[keen kite]

which has more prio ?

[golden loom]

assa is 1 of the highest prio target dam classes in the game

[rugged basalt]

I didn't personally know which of the two, more than them both being better at prio dmg than sub

[keen kite]

how big is the diffrence in overal dmg ? between asa and outlaw

[lime edge]

In m+ i dont think there's really a difference

Assa might be higher still

[golden loom]

no idea tbh

[rugged basalt]

Would how far high the key level is be a factor

[keen kite]

19-20

lets say on 18-19-20 keys , which one has more chance to get inv . back in the days i have been playing sub but all of a sudden on high keys only assa was viable due to prio dmg.

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wMnhQGk3Uk14azhMV3HbTj upgrading gaze or box is same value for me pretty much

[rugged basalt]

I wanna say leaning towards assa but I do not have numbers

[golden loom]

the question is, where the fuck do I send my bonus roll...

[rugged basalt]

One bonus roll?

[golden loom]

yeah I just sent 2 on chim

and I have another cause my vault was a stinker

hmm maybe its just a socket

[rugged basalt]

Lowkey sack shoulder, pos neck/ring + shitter cloak?

[golden loom]

pit is only ring

salhadaar neck is better

[rugged basalt]

oh its myth

[golden loom]

I have a shit cloak already

[rugged basalt]

my fault

[golden loom]

only items I need is shoulders / rings (MT cloak)

[rugged basalt]

Shoulders lowk a low prio bc of cata was my thought

[golden loom]

so might just be a socket week and then send bonus rolls next week

yeah but I need to get them from somewhere

might get them from paladins today tho

[rugged basalt]

Next gv

[golden loom]

fuck it a socket is like 0.5% dps

[rugged basalt]

number go up

[golden loom]

hey since I now have myth box/gaze

taking my guidon finally paid off with the crest save!

🤑

[pallid cape]

swaer its impossible to get invited to a 10 today

wish i could roll my key to pit every time xD

[jolly stirrup]

Finally

[clear knoll]

Are you spreading your bleeds to all targets before bursting

[pallid cape]

before kingsbane and dm ?

just been trying to follow this

[clear knoll]

Someone can correct me but I just watch a video that said to spread bleed first before doing steps 6-12. Go try it on dummies and see if it’s a different outcome from your current rotation.

[coral ibex]

as long as your prio target will live for all of your DM you can spread bleeds first

[golden loom]

from whispyr yesterday

[jolly stirrup]

What blesses my eyes here

Next Picasso ladies and gents

[frosty cedar]

hahaha that is crazy work

[coral ibex]

why make complex graphic when paint do trick

[clear knoll]

What’s good haste to sit at?

[coral ibex]

whatever the sim says is best for your available gear

there's no other valid way to determine your gear for damage optimization

(for assa, other specs have haste requirements)

[sharp viper]

Gz

[snow kindle]

why is Pi not that strong on us

[spice surge]

Most of the burst damage comes from envenom and kingsbane, both of which dont really benefit from haste

Kingsbane doesnt tick faster with more haste, and since we reach the 50 cap insanely quickly during DM its just whatever

[coral ibex]

most of the gain during DM would be faster capping of kb with faster melee swings

improved garrote would get an amp too

[sharp viper]

our WW monks get PI and that feels VERY weird to say

[spice surge]

Monks got shit like this to make haste better

Sub got janky breakpoints

[wary thicket]

hey guys is there a haste breakpoint for sin like sub has?

[coral ibex]

scroll up

😂

[wary thicket]

oh lolol

[little current]

is it me, or does sin's cd feel kinda bad in packs, even at higher keys, cause things die too fast for the full effect to tick

[storm forum]

If I have an aug in the party yeah

If no aug, unless me and another cleave guy pick the same target, it's always fine

[snow kindle]

is there a way I can sim two casts during execute phase vs other classes

or does execute phase not really matter

I guess the question is, are we are better target for it than other classes during execute

excluding WW and ele

[rancid blaze]

How much haste are we looking for?

[golden loom]

whats our haste cape?

[fallow canopy]

Scroll a little bit up

[spice spire]

Hey how much haste do we need

[rancid blaze]

hahahahahahaha ok thanks

[sacred oyster]

sim it. sim it. sim it.

if you have a piece of gear with crit/haste vs crit/mastery, sim it. if its 1 of those vs something with only 1 of those stats and vers, then the one with both stats is logically gonna win. if ilvl is higher on the worse piece, just use it to free upgrade the better piece. ultimately you will want a balance of mastery and haste (after crit) and sim is the only way to answer what your optimal balance for what gear you have is.

[rancid blaze]

ok cool thank you

[sacred oyster]

though at higher keys you may need to consider sacrificing dmg for vers for survival, but i dont do high keys so i dont know how much people do that

[pliant remnant]

Guys

[keen kite]

Yo, anyone has Zerocools plater profile ?

[pliant remnant]

How much haste are we looking for?

[little tulip]

20ish seems to be a common number

less than 23 more than bottom of 20

[rugged basalt]

is there a haste breakpoint?

[coral ibex]

haste???

[fresh kelp]

i am doing 33% less damage than the top assassination rogues™ on murlok.io, and when i look i only have 835 haste while they have 860 haste. how do i change my secondary stat weights so that i can attain this haste level and get the 33% damage i am misisng? (my stats are 1217 crit 835 haste 655 mastery 121 vers)

[golden loom]

you should sim 40 seconds 20 target all to get a view of the algethar academy 1st pull with lust and then gem your gear to reach the desired haste breakpoints

[stiff fern]

Need to add 100 expertise (and get gud)

[fresh kelp]

ok i did this and it told me to reroll udk

what do

[golden loom]

post the results in the DK discord and ask what stats you need

[fresh kelp]

[golden loom]

oh and also ask "are we still bugged?"

[coral ibex]

guys

i need the REAL m+ build

who has it??

[spice surge]

would the real m+ build pleas stand up

[golden loom]

deathstalker ironwire double vanish

[fresh kelp]

are we still bugged? kira told me i am losing 15% overall because my singular focus is not taking the damage dealt by caustic spatter and i am worried this is why we bricked our +10 dawnbreaker

[lusty kraken]

that period of time was funny

because each day that % amount would increase

it started as 8% missing or something like that

then it increased up to 20%

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/yoink-cat-dragged-gif-1263419341748157821

[spice spire]

WAT my goat

[fluid ibex]

Hi, just trying out sin, usually playing sub. just one question that bugs me - once dots are applied I only use CT to build CP in AoE and never fan or in which situations would you use which?

[lusty kraken]

you use fan once you no longer need to spread bleeds

[fluid ibex]

so I build with fan, apply everything, spread with CT then only fan until I refresh dots then spread again once?

[lusty kraken]

think of CT as fan that is more expensive but spreads bleeds

once you spread bleeds, you go back to the cheap fan

[spring stream]

Ct is your main builder in aoe until everything has bleeds, then fan

[fluid ibex]

ok ic and before using deathmark I wanna make sure to have fresh dots right?

so I have the full duration of a buffed dot right

[spice surge]

Deathmark only buffs the damage of your bleeds while its up, so it doesnt really matter

[random pelican]

Garrote, ct, rupture, ct, garrote, pb, env, dm+kb, env, ct into envenom until bleeds all spread

[fluid ibex]

sorry whats pb ?

[random pelican]

Puzzle box

[fluid ibex]

AH!

yeah right

[random pelican]

What I mean to say is dont delay your cds until youve spread it all, just replace muti/fok with ct during your opener/cds, and stop once all your proper duration bleeds are spread

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1483995021903396994/puzzlebox.gif

[quiet star]

looks like after POS farm the only crafted think I need will be ring

[quiet star]

Still can't get ANY pb

this is so frustrating

[analog shoal]

could someone help with a log review? I did my first mythic run and I was human garbage

[vast shuttle]

in what key does sin become more broken cause heard they scale with higher keys.

[quiet star]

idk where it is broken

it's not even close to broken

[vast shuttle]

well maybe not broken but it scales

[gilded oasis]

nah, im rich rich, I only CT. Get out of here with that cheap shit

[tight ginkgo]

like... either the key is so low that Sin not doing its full potential doesn't matter

or it is high enough to where it can

So maybe do with that what you will and follow your bliss

😌

[gilded oasis]

yeah, depends on key level & other dps. I've done massive damage in a 12 and also done no damage cause the mobs die like it's an 8. Just always play with crap people so you shine

[runic hinge]

Hey wanna do a key

[vast shuttle]

[gilded oasis]

yeah bud, I got you. I'll make you look so good

[vast shuttle]

XD

[feral nexus]

If I apply a garrote to an improved garrote does it extend the improved garrote duration or just turn it into a normal garrote?

[runic hinge]

Thanks twin

[gilded oasis]

overrides it

so you don't want to do that

[feral nexus]

Thank you

[gilded oasis]

imagine it extended, what a life we would live

[vast shuttle]

fr

[humble verge]

i wonder if i should try get thunderfury

[gilded oasis]

until the mob the tank is pulling to the next pack dies as he pulls then you're left with nothing yet again

no improved garrote, no stealth, no bitches

[vast shuttle]

should tanks ajdust if they play with a sin so they can get snapshot easier?

[gilded oasis]

uh I think its a case of like chain, fine, but actually chain or give it a second. I don't understand the point of "ok im going to pull this ONE mob into the next pack and he is at 2% health".. Like just go earlier so I can spread or don't go.

Idk tho thats feelycraft, in the end it probably doesn't matter but it feels bad to go in dry and have to get bleeds going raw

tanks get touchy, I just let them do what they want and tell my cat about it later

except in raid, I boss those guys around a lot

[vast shuttle]

yha i play pugs and tanks are so stupid i play pugs and they do this stupid chain pulls and i end up with 0 dmg

[gilded oasis]

chaining is fun if I can get there and CT

[vast shuttle]

true but depends on how they do it

and in pugs they dgf

[tight ginkgo]

You can sometimes also hang back a bit if they're chaining like that

To grab a restealth

like one or two mobs at 5-10% hp and they go but you kinda hang back to nab it.

[gilded oasis]

yeah normally but a lot of the adds in this dungeon pool put you in combat no matter what

and also cast on you when you are in stealth (thanks blizz IM INVISIBLE)

[tight ginkgo]

hah i've noticed the latter for sure.

[vast shuttle]

hahah

BRO HOW IS zerocool doing 200k dps overall wtf

XD

[rugged basalt]

This is why sudden demise clears

[gilded oasis]

clear this

[quiet star]

aug

proper pulls

it's not only him doing that, it's a result of effort of whole party as well

(doesn't mean I can do that)

[gilded oasis]

nope, its only him

[zealous moth]

This

[fluid ibex]

simmed my char and out of nowhere he uses CT ofer fan, any explanation?

[zealous moth]

Chaining 1 add is bad tanking

Bc forget about rogue, you're dropping the dps of everyone for no reason

[gilded oasis]

Mr. Ass says so

[vivid bone]

hows the burst of assa? is it a decent solo/outdoor/delve spec or just rather stick to sub?

[zealous moth]

o7

[zealous moth]

That's the neat part, there is no burst

[gilded oasis]

our burst takes 15 seconds to ramp (ive approximated this number, I am a robot)

[fluid ibex]

scent of blood stacks?

[zealous moth]

Closest you can get is darkest night

[vivid bone]

I wish to spend as little time as I can in these activities. Ok I stay sub

[fluid ibex]

you wanna make sure its always 10 right?

[vivid bone]

thanks for the quick response!

[warm parcel]

Link the sim

[zealous moth]

Depends

If you have scent 1/2 it can go up to 20 stacks

[gilded oasis]

depends on mob count. cant go over the number of mobs there are

[fluid ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kpE9S3Xw5UNz2Gnk2L8QpF

[zealous moth]

If it's 2/2 yeah, 20 is the cap

[fluid ibex]

no comment on my gear its not optimized for sin here

[gilded oasis]

but if there is only 1 mob you can only get 1 amount of stack

[fluid ibex]

its 5 tagrets 3min - just wanted to see what its doing

its aoe here

[warm parcel]

Well on 5t its gonna ct ofc

[zealous moth]

Wait no, 10 targets / 5 targets

[turbid sandal]

is CoEE better than the sims suggest? See so many still running it

[fluid ibex]

like always?

[warm parcel]

To spread bleeds

[zealous moth]

What