assassination

[normal mist]

@royal lantern can tell you about it

(mhs3)

[rugged basalt]

Averz I would use CT ngl

[normal mist]

Averz?

I'm bad with names

[rugged basalt]

First VS boss

[normal mist]

Nah

Hell no

Those fuckers are destroyed before bleeds tick

At least they were in my runs

[rugged basalt]

there’s many beefy adds after intermission

[stuck lodge]

Backshotbots said they were switching to the adds

[severe meadow]

ye you run cleave in mythic

[rugged basalt]

Ya but I use CT with the adds

[stuck lodge]

But idk if that was with CT or just single target down

[normal mist]

I'm an heroic Andy

[rugged basalt]

The side-adds are beefy after intermission

[normal mist]

I was talking hc

[stuck lodge]

Oh, nvm

[rugged basalt]

Oh ok ya in hc doesn’t matter

[normal mist]

I should put that in my name

Royal - heroic Andy

[rugged basalt]

Heroic Harold

[normal mist]

I might be green name but I'm a pleb like everyone else

[rugged basalt]

ur an animal to run non cleave in dreamrift then though

[frosty cedar]

So for imperator, if your trying to log, it does kind of depend on your comp.

my strategy is to send the second DM KB on the adds, but you have to do it early. Vanish and imp gar the boss before dotting up the mob just before it actually breaks out of the prison, then get your DM and KB rolling before the adds spawn around it, even though you woont get your full DM KB you will get more overall.

compare my best pull to yours - we both have similar kill times

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KdLyr18DgQP9vBRV?fight=46&type=damage-done&source=17
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VCM1a7pm8vk6TfKy?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=35

your holding your DM KB to use on boss after the adds have finished spawning

[normal mist]

I used CT / caustic there

[rugged basalt]

I’m taking notes

[frosty cedar]

look at that 2m spike for me

tremble in awe at its majesty

[stuck lodge]

Truly majestic.

Thanks, ill definitely try that switch and look into your log

[frosty cedar]

I also take doomblade in my cleave build

[mortal drum]

this is perfect i was coming here with the same question as btimmy

[frosty cedar]

idk if ppl changed off it

its more ST

but I still use it

[stuck lodge]

I legit just grabbed the top parse talents and sent em

[frosty cedar]

I have my own personal damage strats for the bosses so if you want any tips just let me know. tho some like vorasisus are just hit boss. lmao

[stuck lodge]

I had to ask about vor last night, because my raid was wanting me to switch to the creeps

[frosty cedar]

oh if your doing that on imperator you will want to make sure you are shadowstepping efficiently dont waste any time running of course

yeah thats a toughie

[stuck lodge]

Right when KB was coming up

[frosty cedar]

its best to actually just stick on boss

but if your raid leader is calling you

doing your duty is the play. an enlightened raid leader would just let you slam boss ngl

[stuck lodge]

Yeah I think I got it explained and won't have to anymore, unless I get fixated

[frosty cedar]

bro on my vorasius last night I got fixated

guess who had a vanish charge ready

[stuck lodge]

Wait that works?

[frosty cedar]

yep

[stuck lodge]

What happens to the creep?

[frosty cedar]

I still got rank 1 despite sending a useless vanish

[coral ibex]

so they un-hotfixed it?

[frosty cedar]

but you can break it off you

[coral ibex]

bc they hotfixed it last week

[frosty cedar]

if your fixated

oh really?

this was last night

I vanished and it unfixated me

[radiant aspen]

@frosty cedar dude i struggle with dragons can u explain what u do there ?

[stuck lodge]

Does it just switch to someone else?

[frosty cedar]

yep

LOL

[frosty cedar]

sure, what build are you running bro

[radiant aspen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HRQMG4N93kjF6bqw?fight=16&type=damage-done&source=205

[viscid spear]

My RL would notice and yell at me if I did that

[radiant aspen]

this is my best log for it

[frosty cedar]

I was 80% sure it wouldnt work anyway ngl lol

[viscid spear]

So I just pretend like I'm attacking it while standing near the wall but I'm actually targeting Vor

[coral ibex]

that didnt work last tuesday

but i didnt get fixated this tuesday

[frosty cedar]

your playing heroic here, so I don't really have a cook other than play cleave build and send it, I don't think you should be playing sudden demise on HC tho

might be wrong but theres no way those orbs are surviving even for you to get more than like 2 bleeds out

[radiant aspen]

hmm yeah

[frosty cedar]

looking at your damage breakdown, your sudden demise was only 3.7%

I think demise is only "playable" as a cheese build on mythic, where it can get 10% +

[severe meadow]

unethical builds

[frosty cedar]

it does feel giga miserable to play demise ngl

[gaunt herald]

every piece of gear i get is like X / Vers fawwwk

[frosty cedar]

we hate vers

[magic fossil]

someones uses ayije_cdm and have this problem, afther empowered garrote, addon doenst count the remaining time of regular garrote, i asked the streamer that i got this UI and he says "its on the addon, just look" but i must be blind. any kinda help accept

[celest helm]

Can someone explain why mastery isnt worth more for m+? Caustic has been such a major build point previously and even now its still so high in m+ breakdowns, but BiS gear/murlok/sims all agree on stacking crit/haste so heavy. What changed with us to make mastery just not that great?

[normal mist]

It is

Whispyr said multiple times that mastery in m+ is better than haste to an extent

[celest helm]

My sims constantly have haste/crit outscale a crit/mastery piece, never recommends mastery gems or chants etc. Seems so weird to me maybe im overthinking

[green plover]

hey guys, its probably a common asked question but i recently felt in love with my assa again. now i got the puzzlebox and i´m unsure if i use it before apllying improved garrot or just spend my energy and send it before deathmark. thx

[celest helm]

In opener you have improved garrote already so just before deathmark, later on you sync it with vanish and deathmark for improved garrote

[celest helm]

Thats my logic too which is why im curious why my sim doesnt seem to like mastery at all even when i try dungeon slice or 8target/40sec aoe sims

[normal mist]

Maybe box just doing a lot of the heavy lifting

[celest helm]

Could be box putting my mastery at a good point, im gonna take it off for fun and resim to see if it swaps me to mastery just to narrow down

[frosty cedar]

yeh stacking mastery DRs you fast with box

[rugged basalt]

omg ur the rat

[frosty cedar]

also crit is good cause number big regardless

[celest helm]

Just thinking of ways to maximize overall dps for m+, not raiding this tier so im being cringe and fixating m+ numbers

[static glacier]

Competitively actually umbreon, vibes something lit like quagsire or whiscash (big fan of black and white UU)

[gaunt herald]

is there a decent way to check if my dps is good based on my item level? should I just be close to a sim

[normal mist]

There are ilvl parses

They mean nothing

But they are there

[royal lantern]

PoV: Whisp is explaining somebody that they should just sim their gear instead of following stat weights

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1497005070389219328/panciked_monkey.mp4?ex=69ec9add&is=69eb495d&hm=f60c513f80fd8c1601bd4efb970ee1690f362df8ded7179f3a6b3c76f6a1b516&

[frosty cedar]

I would be more focused on if you are playing correctly from how you are playing rather than the overall dps number, its super hard to tell if your doing things properly if your very behind in ilvl just from the number

if you have logs we can certainly have a look

[solar wyvern]

I played 700 mast 650 haste for a while before i got some gear adjustments

[rugged basalt]

This is a non rogue related q, how the fuck are you guys keeping track of your camera on dragons fight? Especially closer to last phase

[solar wyvern]

I then played 750 haste 600 mast and it was better on bosses without much aoe penalty

[frosty cedar]

in what way are you losing it?

[gaunt herald]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/108857854 thanks my brotha

[rugged basalt]

They just tower over my player model when I play topdown idk

[celest helm]

makes sense, seems like the bit of mastery is good but just doesnt seem to stack well like it once did, toyed with sims for hours and it just does not want mastery and was having fun understanding why it just isnt there, but my gear is super well itemized now with crit/haste

[novel veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vast shuttle]

lets fking go

[gaunt herald]

i messed my rotation pretty bad in a few places, mostly fumbling through the vanish timing in combat

[royal lantern]

why are you stabbing beetles

[royal lantern]

do you have puzzlebox

if yes, thats the answer

[solar wyvern]

The more funnel you have the better mastery gets by virtue of more energy, but mainly whatever setup gives the most crit is just BiS

[frosty cedar]

brother your talents are sussy as fuck

whats the thoughts on the build you are running?

[royal lantern]

turns out, if you have a trinket that gives a billion mastery during your biggest dmg window, mastery as a stat goes down in value a bit

[gaunt herald]

which fight? i just pulled builds from wowhead

[frosty cedar]

this is LFR as well so its not the best testing ground, but on vorasius, play single target. your build for imperator is very very aoe heavy

[golden loom]

on vorasius for example you are using the m+ build

[gaunt herald]

yeah I fucked that one

[frosty cedar]

heres your imperator build

and heres mine ur missing the nice singletarget talents

even the wowhead raid talent build isnt the same as yours brah

[celest helm]

yeah thats what we came to the conclusion of, puzzlebox hard carries the mastery so sim just shoves me more and more into crit/haste

[frosty cedar]

your in the mythic plus spec

[gaunt herald]

maybe I mislabeled the imports

ty

[solar wyvern]

Sims will never properly attribute to real high key environments tho, for example you could probably have a setup in pit of saron with -200 haste +200 mastery and be faster

[frosty cedar]

on vorasius too, for example, you dont actually cast any spells until 12 seconds in

your 5 seconds late to cast on imperator too

[gaunt herald]

lfr pull type shit

they just ninja with no countdown

[frosty cedar]

real

[solar wyvern]

Based

[royal lantern]

î mean, thats also just feelcraft stuff you say rn

[gaunt herald]

and i was like uhhh we resetting oorrr

they never do

[frosty cedar]

but head into a normal or hc, play the right talent build for the fight, and we can definitely help more

[celest helm]

thats what i was thinking, i may swap a crafted piece or 2 to mastery over haste and play a few keys to see how it feels

[frosty cedar]

it also helps if your playing something a certain way and are not sure if its right, you can check here

[rugged basalt]

I used like no skills when I do lfr until someone dry pulls the boss

[gaunt herald]

am I complete buns or just misplaced talents rn

[solar wyvern]

I mean kindof? Ive ran a ton of beta and live keys and when i forced more haste less mastery in pit, maisara, magister my overall was lower, anecdotally of course

[gaunt herald]

I think I understand the core rotation concepts

[solar wyvern]

I frequently say "lets try X this key" haha

[frosty cedar]

playing m+ talents in raid will lose you a massive amount of dps yes

its a little harder for me to tell if you are playing correctly on our silly little envenom spam spec just from your cast log though

[gaunt herald]

fair

[rugged basalt]

Only way to know for sure is to requeue with correct talents or try normal raid

[gaunt herald]

thanks for looking and the tips

[frosty cedar]

no problemo friend

your opener seems fine.

[frosty cedar]

your messing up vanish

your pressing garrote and then vanishing

you should vanish and then garrote for improved garrote

[gaunt herald]

that was a complete mistake

[frosty cedar]

you did it on both vorasius and imperator

[solar wyvern]

Btw literally where did u come from, did u just switch rogue recently or something

[frosty cedar]

so I thought it was intended

[solar wyvern]

Ur kinda slamming as mr assa

[gaunt herald]

I know im supposed to vanish into the imp garrote,i just fumbled

[frosty cedar]

john assassination

[frosty cedar]

im assa main for a tier or two in shadowlands, took a break to play warlock a lot, now im back and seemingly having a very good tier 😄

[solar wyvern]

Just never seen your name before

Ah i c i c

[gaunt herald]

for the midfight vanish window
Vanish > Garrote > Envenom 5+ > Garrote > DM + KB?

[solar wyvern]

I started df

[frosty cedar]

yes but try to garrote again before the improved garrote window ends

where that will be in your cast sequence will depend on your builder rng

if possible try to only cast garrote below 5 cp

[rugged basalt]

6 seconds but do not re-garrote if the window expired

[frosty cedar]

correct, let it fully bleed out

[gaunt herald]

is that its own buff I can track

[frosty cedar]

yep

[gaunt herald]

ok ill add it

is it just Imp garrote

[frosty cedar]

yep should be

[rugged basalt]

should be ya

[frosty cedar]

it was on by default for me

[rugged basalt]

i put it on uhhh the bar view

[frosty cedar]

yeah its a bar for me too 🙂

[rugged basalt]

i removed everything and set it up so i dont recall whats on by default :p

[frosty cedar]

venthyr replacement icons cause we love venthyr

[plush umbra]

did you just make macros with every single venthyr ability as the icon? 😄

[rugged basalt]

is it off center or is it just me

[frosty cedar]

hell yeah

[rugged basalt]

its clean

[frosty cedar]

im giga widescreen so

[rugged basalt]

that would do it

[frosty cedar]

widescreen is op man you can see the entire fight

[normal mist]

Boss pov

[humble verge]

not enough

[frosty cedar]

true

could be WIDER

[humble verge]

shindig is just liquid industry plant fr fr

[little tulip]

anyone with a good crit stat have an opinion on assa

im at 36 and im looking at the beloren ring/salhadaar neck

[frosty cedar]

what is my goat saying

I would recommend simming in all instances my friend

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-spongebob-plankton-gif-10466614

im just asking does implacable not end up falling off as much

[frosty cedar]

I suppose more crit would help with that yes but 36 is not bad at all

[little tulip]

which is outside the purview of simming i think other than number go up

[frosty cedar]

I mean unbuffed my crit is 35%

[little tulip]

yeah it feels good but sometimes you switch mechanics and there goes implacable cause mutilate didn't crit hard enough

[frosty cedar]

sometimes implacable will just drop without you hitting 5

is okay

[little tulip]

but like +200 crit with ring/neck

it's easily 40%+ crit with that much goop

[rugged basalt]

So You Wanna Join a Mythic Raid Guild Again...in 2026

[frosty cedar]

I havent felt a difference from when I was 40% crit and now at 35% if your just talking about feely gaming

[little tulip]

yeah that's a good answer

im using omission of light mast/haste ring cause sim but was just curious

[frosty cedar]

yeah me too

tier set on ring is good

[little tulip]

its like 2 backstabs i mean if the proc rate is good

[frosty cedar]

[little tulip]

no really 7000 dam split between all enemies isn't that much

it's two backstabs from a sub rogue

idk during early season ppl were chasing it

[frosty cedar]

well its about 0.4-0.5% dps which is like 400-500 dps so I mean its good

for me they are the best rings atm

[little tulip]

ye it's main gauche

[rugged basalt]

let me sim all the dungeons rq

[golden loom]

the l'ura ring is margin of error for me

compared to ring set

[frosty cedar]

sure but getting lura ring on myth means ur done with prog so ur chilling

[golden loom]

(heroic lura)

[frosty cedar]

oh ur on about hc

[little tulip]

i wish i had one...might have lived this rot dam

well it's only shadow..idk point is assa hates dying more than sub or outlaw by a whole lot

[rugged basalt]

dang hc luRing kinda neat to have

[golden loom]

I dont have it

I havent killed hc lura

[rugged basalt]

the set ring is +635 for me

lol

[golden loom]

I just simmed all the decent rings to see if anything was actually better than ring set

[vast shuttle]

got crit vers in myth should i use it instead of hero crit haste?

[little tulip]

haste makes bleeds tick faster

[golden loom]

ilvl is king

[frosty cedar]

I get no upgs from hc

its not good for me

[little tulip]

yeah there was a s1 cloak that was bis for a lot of people cause it helped them live longer

[rugged basalt]

same in hc for me except for gaze/plume

[marsh fjord]

Stop herassing my goat

[frosty cedar]

who shindig

[marsh fjord]

Best rogue ever existed

[rugged basalt]

A mythic raider but you'd have to watch his video to find out where he is raiding next

[golden loom]

nah shindumpy clears him

[little tulip]

rogue pantheon rogue

[marsh fjord]

Shindumpy def clears him if im being honest

[rugged basalt]

shindumpy is lebron of rogue

[little tulip]

y'know like that piece of art but its just rogue players

[vast shuttle]

arent u able to craft ur myth into 298 now?

[rugged basalt]

4 weeks

[golden loom]

in 3 weeks

[frosty cedar]

not for like 3 more wweeks

[rugged basalt]

New questline :p

My 8 tabs of droptimizer tell me that I need box (mfmfmg), nxp void ring, seat of the triumvirate legs, and literally any trinket in existence

Seat legs wtf its vers mast

[little tulip]

well we do have about 78 vers with this sorry for no tooltips

[rugged basalt]

my current legs are indestructible vers mast legs as well

[little tulip]

that sim is definitely gonna move around when you slot other stuff in

[humble verge]

ok so what happened to me

[rugged basalt]

im just surprised that WS legs sims as a lower improvement but ya itll move around

[marsh fjord]

if you wouldnt have screesnhot your items or your stats and just your transmorg you coulda fool me you're playing classic

[little tulip]

i just want an enhanced version with toggles so i can see quick napkin math stuff like elvui

but yeah lol

[marsh fjord]

Goat - Whispyr - Nooj - Probaly 20 other people in this discord - you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050078382018265178/1454397083413909630/ezgif-395a166e2e34663d.gif

[little tulip]

if they remastered that eyepatch in particular :|c

[little tulip]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2T3gJjkTHuT4WKJ6S3ARaT

._.

[viscid spear]

[humble verge]

wtf

[rugged basalt]

ah i did topgear on everything and platinum ring fares better after all

[lime edge]

You should turn off raid buffs for dslice

Other than bloodlust

[lime edge]

Better than the npx rings?

[rugged basalt]

ya but its within 300

[humble verge]

they really stole my mans

[rugged basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-cute-hamster-2d-capcut-gif-9886956225429890134

[humble verge]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HENb2crXAAESwvo.webp

[viscid spear]

Tonight is the night

[dire flume]

@balmy condor hey why is maplestory 60 fucking gbs

[frosty cedar]

whats the endgame in maplestory

do u raid

[humble verge]

small guys take up space

[viscid spear]

When you get to the end it says "Your MapleStory has just begun"

[frosty cedar]

real

[high sundial]

I'm already copying Whispyr, might as well install MapleStory at this point

[frigid void]

What weapon enchants is everyone using? Guide says berserker rage but I see most people with Acuity

[coral ibex]

i equip the enchant that sims highest

[viscid spear]

[rugged basalt]

eyes of the eagle hidden op enchant now 👀 (ring)

i be simmin ts

[normal mist]

Wasnt it before?

[rugged basalt]

im illiterate

[normal mist]

I just assumed and went with it

[rugged basalt]

i had haste

[marsh fjord]

Hiii royallllllllllll

[normal mist]

Hello numbers what's up?

[marsh fjord]

hows the kid doing?

[normal mist]

6months, 67cm, 8.5kg

Yaps a lot

[marsh fjord]

Booming i see

[normal mist]

It's been such a wonderful journey man

[marsh fjord]

Great to hear bud

[normal mist]

How you doing?

[cinder mountain]

does anybody know if re-crafting is fixed, cant find patch notes

[viscid spear]

Explains a lot, tbh

[rugged basalt]

[frigid void]

fair

[humble verge]

time to log off

😴

[rugged basalt]

hm

Double jan'alai sims better for me in m+, but double acuity sims better for me in st..

[severe meadow]

@storm forum

you raid with Civil?

[runic hinge]

do you know them

[spice spire]

I used to know him, but he’s changed

[runic hinge]

no more dog

[spice spire]

What I’m saying

[runic hinge]

the real lore is he was number one assa rogue on our server

df s1

[spice spire]

I’m aware

I remember all king

[runic hinge]

when is @wild lantern bday

[spice spire]

August 25

Her husband is the 21

Stay woke pal

[gaunt herald]

is our spec "assa", "sin" or "ass" ?

[frosty cedar]

assa

[drifting cloud]

ass > assa > sin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mut

[runic hinge]

youre old enough to have called it mut

[drifting cloud]

im old enough to have forgotten

[wild lantern]

You only remember because we had that conversation like 2 days ago

Also every time I get pinged in here is some kind of chaos

[ruby bolt]

im more of an ass guy myself

[spice spire]

Okay and

Stay woke buddy

[gilded oasis]

I'm asleep

[spice spire]

Gm

[gilded oasis]

whatever you want. I like sin unless Im making an ass joke

[spice spire]

You make a lot of ass jokes

[gilded oasis]

I love donkeys

[latent kernel]

So is blackout good in keys now that AOE blind is back

Been running tricks so I could dot up packs while tank gathers

But debating switching

[frosty cedar]

items getting removed

[gilded oasis]

all gaze gettters are going to cry so loud

we had 7 in our run

[solar wyvern]

Bro imagine u bonus rolled

And sold your pants

And now u just have no pants

XD

[gilded oasis]

thats like the worst way they could have done it

[latent kernel]

Nah but this genuinely a terrible solution

[gilded oasis]

if I they all that work just remove the item from the pool since you identified it anyway and give a roll back

holy

[frosty cedar]

ngl I think this is misinformation

[lime edge]

They should've just given everyone bonus rolls

[frosty cedar]

[gilded oasis]

I photoshopped it myself

[frosty cedar]

surely they wouldnt just straight up remove the items

[fallow canopy]

the wording is kinda ass

so I'd be surprised if its true

[frosty cedar]

like imagine u got an item and vendored ur previous one

ud be giga cooked

[latent kernel]

I wouldn’t be surprised the bar is basically on the floor atp

[gilded oasis]

that would be a crazy solution given all the backlash already from the patch

[frosty cedar]

yeah nah they wouldnt remove the items

ppl would mald if they actually did get what they wanted either way

[latent kernel]

Realistically giving people one more 1/6 myth piece doesn’t rlly mean shit rn anyways because crests are the choke point

I have more myth pieces than crests to upgrade

[subtle tundra]

bad bait

[frosty cedar]

[subtle tundra]

go back to bait school

[lime edge]

Well its not 1 more myth piece right

Its up to 3

[subtle tundra]

4

or 5

[lime edge]

I guess if u saved its more

[subtle tundra]

i have 4 bonus rolls on my monk

[lime edge]

From past weeks

[solar wyvern]

Blue post link screenshots too fake nowadays

[rugged basalt]

If they were overengineering, imagine if they could find all the dupe affected players and just give them a capsule in mail that rolls gear correctly

[solar wyvern]

Like someone posted a ss of some gay shit i said, psh, totally fake

[rugged basalt]

But that isn’t easy obviously, I’m in La La land

[latent kernel]

Even if you have 4 extra 272 myth pieces it literally does nothing for you progression wise

[lime edge]

I mean

[rugged basalt]

It does actually

[subtle tundra]

how

[lime edge]

It does something if ur not full mythic now

[rugged basalt]

The texts says myth

[subtle tundra]

ok you guys are baiting me

[lime edge]

[subtle tundra]

suck my cocks

[stone yacht]

no they're not

[fallow canopy]

still has much more to learn from skoop

[stone yacht]

there arent enough hero crests to max out your hero gear

so a myth is still upgrade in any slot where hero gear wasn't maxed

[subtle tundra]

who is telling him

[lime edge]

Telling him what

[rugged basalt]

I’m about to max it tonight

[subtle tundra]

if you dont have hero maxed out i think you deserve the little boost

[latent kernel]

Facts lmfao

I’m 281 atp

[rugged basalt]

I took her to my crests and I squeaked it

[stone yacht]

yeah i mean, i didn't

[frosty cedar]

it does if one of them is an item u actually want like puzzlebox ?

[stone yacht]

ive already replaced 2 hero pieces at 263 with 272 myth

[runic hinge]

@spice spire call me a twinket they way her box be puzzling me

[latent kernel]

I mean sure but like you can farm hero puzzle box and get it to 276 anyways

[lime edge]

Gearing is very strange in this game

[subtle tundra]

why do ppl care so much that some lil' chud has some more myth item pieces that he cant upgrade anyways

[spice spire]

You too?

[rugged basalt]

Box, gaze, that shitty Nxp ring

[lime edge]

I agree with whispyr

[frosty cedar]

okay, but if I have 100 myth crests ready this week, and I can have more chances at getting a myth puzzlebox, thats an advantage

[latent kernel]

Like if you’ve been gearing properly for the last 12 weeks 2 more 272 pieces ain’t gonna help you lmao

[subtle tundra]

if you care about gear why arent you raiding mythic and killed atleast alleria to get 282 mythic stuff

[rugged basalt]

Because we’re rolling for gaze can u keep up

[stone yacht]

lol varas either you're a really bad troll or just being silly

[lime edge]

"Properly gearing"

Sorry that raid has the advantage

[latent kernel]

Then raid….

[lime edge]

Raiding is so boring

[subtle tundra]

im just the most based person on this discord

[latent kernel]

I raid 6 hours a week lol nothing even crazy

[lime edge]

Why doesnt m+ drop mythic

[rugged basalt]

I find the satisfaction of getting a kill down on raiding far more than timing a key personally

Subjective tho it’s just me being a silly guy

[fallow canopy]

subjective, I find m+ the most boring thing in the game

[severe meadow]

The guild wide pop off when killing a boss will never not be heavenly

[lime edge]

Blizzard has to gate mythic gear and good trinkets to raid to actually get people to raid

[rugged basalt]

Exactlyyy

[latent kernel]

It’s almost like raiding has been the pinnacle of the game since 2004

[frosty cedar]

cause its ez pz compared to myth raid

[lime edge]

Just do higher key? Wdym

[rugged basalt]

At what point would you drop myth in m+? Where would your imaginary line be drawn

[lime edge]

Wherever their line is for mythic raid

[latent kernel]

Whatever the highest key level he can do is🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[lime edge]

What

[severe meadow]

Idk man, m+ andies historically have the shittiest takes

[lime edge]

It would be an actual reason to push m+

[frosty cedar]

I dont see why m+ should get access to myth loot when you can endlessly farm m+

[rugged basalt]

Remember there’s no lockout

[lime edge]

Other than io

[severe meadow]

this is holding true to that

[rugged basalt]

It’s a losing argument

[frosty cedar]

and its way less of a commitment to play m+ than raid

[lime edge]

Im just saying

[latent kernel]

@lime edge what is your highest key rn

[lime edge]

If both had same loot

[rugged basalt]

No lockout
Balancing when to drop myth track
Way easier to lose the plot to boosting and funnelling

[lime edge]

Way less people would raid

[lime edge]

17?

[spice surge]

No shit? Obviously its way easier to get 5 people together than it is to get 20 people together

Thats why raid gives better loot

[latent kernel]

Okay so I can do 17s atp too, and I can tell you the difficulty of a 17 compared to higher end raid bosses is not even close just because of coordination purposes

[lime edge]

I never said a 17 is mythic difficulty what

[latent kernel]

Well I’m just saying because at what key level would you drop myth gear

Like where is the equivalent

In your opinion

[lime edge]

That would be up to them

[latent kernel]

Well say you’re blizzard dev where would like be

Line*

[rugged basalt]

Lockout is still an unsolved problem which is question 2

[lime edge]

Would depend on how much u plan on boosting the players i guess?

[latent kernel]

Honestly locking one myth piece to one resil level wouldn’t even be a bad idea

[lime edge]

Uh

Would be 20 or higher probably

[runic hinge]

20 this season or every season

[rugged basalt]

[lime edge]

I mean right now

[latent kernel]

Should make each resil level drop a dinar

Would be kinda fire

[royal lantern]

because:

Mythic Raiding is inheritely harder then m+ in every way, from getting a group togheter to actually running the content unless you push m+ to literally title range

blizzard literally doesnt want people to endlessly farm mythic gear because mythic gear is supposed to be a slower gain, thats by desing, m+ allready IS overrewarding like fuck in every way and even for mythic raiders most mythic gear is m+ vault stuff

[lime edge]

Yea that would be cool

[haughty flicker]

each resil level drops a dinar

but there is no dinar vendor

[royal lantern]

you say that in a season where half the specs use puzzle box??????????????

[frosty cedar]

how about we keep it as it is so im not forced to do giga m+ just to raid optimally

[royal lantern]

puzzle box is the probably most used trinket in the games history btw

[lime edge]

Well I think puzzle should be deleted

[royal lantern]

and m+ andys still play the "dae raid trinkets always better" card

[lime edge]

Stupid ass trinket

[rugged basalt]

The gallywix ring of midnight

[royal lantern]

when most of the time its just a normal 50/50 split

[lime edge]

I mean you always want a raid trinket basically

And its way harder to get

[royal lantern]

not really

[lime edge]

And usually way better

[runic hinge]

i wish it was even

[lime edge]

Than whatever other option

[royal lantern]

i mean if your way of viewing thigs is "melee dps"

and not "literally every spec/role in the game"

[lime edge]

Everytime I play, the class im playing wants raid trinket

So maybe im just unlucky

[royal lantern]

like, if you didnt notice, 99% of trinkets are dogshit everywhere across the game

[latent kernel]

Skardyns grace was giga bis season 1 TWW

[lime edge]

I mean true

[royal lantern]

there is always just 2-3 good trinkets each season

[lime edge]

But the good ones lean towards raid

[royal lantern]

and everytime 1 of them is a raid trinket, all the "m+ only" andys throw a tantrum

[lime edge]

Well obviously the raid andies wont

Logically

[royal lantern]

cus they TOTALLY need a 0,3% heroic->mythic upgrade, its the only thing that makes them not time their keys after al

[subtle tundra]

and every time theres a m+ trinket bis, everyone throws a tantrum cause you cant get myth

[lime edge]

Bro thats the whole game

[latent kernel]

Well also skax I would highly recommend you look at the trinket sims if you haven’t already, the difference is really not as massive as everyone makes it out to be

[lime edge]

0.5% upgrades

[lime edge]

That is also true

Wouldn't be true if m+ dropped myth tho

[subtle tundra]

well

it does now

doesnt it

[latent kernel]

And also by end of season people will be pugging chimmy anyways

[lime edge]

Yea

[subtle tundra]

and its guaranteed eventually!

unlike if you raid pug

[lime edge]

Guaranteed

[royal lantern]

and btw, saying "omg they must make trinkets to make people raid" is just such a dumb thing to say

cus like

[lime edge]

Oops guys there's another bug

[royal lantern]

wow yeha, wow players are loot driven

thats a new infromation i gues

wanna know what happens with m+ participation when people are geared? it drops to 0

[lime edge]

Isnt that game participation in general

[royal lantern]

again, they literally stretch mythic gear acquisition on purpose

[lime edge]

Either way

[runic hinge]

@drifting cloud i got myth puzzyb

[lime edge]

Im just saying m+ gearing ends so early

[royal lantern]

we had basically "m+ gives mythic gear" in DF S2 with crafted gear

DF S2 was also a dead season after 3-4 weeks cus everyone had their shit

[rugged basalt]

People that are fully geared are more inclined to push raid even if they don’t have an upgrade

[lime edge]

Its pretty boring

[royal lantern]

m+ has unironically just the problem

its way way way WAY to rewarding

and it kills any meaningfull gear curve

[lime edge]

I can see that yea

Don't disagree

[rugged basalt]

The gear skippage we get to do in m+ is pretty damm nice as it is

[royal lantern]

we dont have a real slow progress, m+ and the endless farmable heroic gear + mythic crest + mythic vault items just result in "everyone has full heroic items in week 1-2, and then only mythic stuff can give any upgrades anymore, which means waiting for vault or be in one of the top mythic raid guilds"

which is kinda fucked

[lime edge]

Yea

[royal lantern]

we have 6 different gear stages, and only 1 actually matters

cus heroic is just the "baseline"

[lime edge]

Yea why do we even have veteran

[little tulip]

to get rating while getting champ gear

[royal lantern]

like its just

raid tiersets are grabbed from m+ trought catalyst

crests are m+

crafted items are also m+ cus you grab crests from m+

[runic hinge]

M+ DN

[royal lantern]

the far majority of used mythic gear is m+ vault stuff

[haughty flicker]

No I play fatebound

[royal lantern]

m+ is just vomiting EVERYTHING at you

even now you can get 2 random mythic items every week from m+ with the bonus rolls

[little tulip]

there's just not a lot of things to do except make gear work like pvp gear with scaling

where it only works good in instance

[royal lantern]

that would be horrible

[little tulip]

it would be

[royal lantern]

ik what you mean

but that would legit be horrible

[lime edge]

What if you could keep pumping crests in ur item

[little tulip]

wow 2 experience

[lime edge]

[rugged basalt]

Imagine 80 tomatoes in your mouth

[haughty flicker]

I want gear that scales higher in delves

And unlimited delve scaling

[royal lantern]

after gobbling on 80 balls, thats no challenge anymore

[rugged basalt]

T12

Ascension 20 delve..

[royal lantern]

@lime edge idk if you raid mythic but like as an example

just in the last 2 tiers my gear was like

[vestal wren]

blizz likes to use balls for mechanics in midnight

[royal lantern]

when i was at mythic dimensius prog, i had a grand total of 2 mythic raid items equipped that dropped from the raid

rn im in mythic crown prog and its 2 items again

everything else is either m+ vault, a m+ item or crafted stuff

[little tulip]

beloren is a fun way to spell ballpit

[lime edge]

What if m+ gear dropped at the lowest tier only

But crests were uncapped

[vestal wren]

aleria has a few balls flying around too

[royal lantern]

uncapped crests would not make stuff better tbh

uncapped crests just result in more sweaty launch weeks

[fallow canopy]

i would kms

in game

[lime edge]

But there's only 1 type of crest

[royal lantern]

coward

do a flip while jumping irl

[lime edge]

[royal lantern]

go out with style

[fallow canopy]

every turbo boost I consider uninstalling for good

[runic hinge]

why not uninstall for evil?

[lime edge]

Guys I have an idea

What if we only had secondary stats

And no primary

And they added more secondary stats

[fallow canopy]

some day I'll join the dark side and only play poe or something

[stone yacht]

remember in WOTLK when you had to cap hit rating or you just wouldnt hit shit

[lime edge]

I didnt play wotlk

Im not old

[lime edge]

Ayo

Poe login

[stone yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

sit down young'un i have a story for you

[lime edge]

I started actually playing wow in bfa

[stone yacht]

you can sit on me knee

[lime edge]

Before that I just played it randomly

Like on Thanksgiving with friends

With the event or whatever

[runic hinge]

we're gonna open cases for the hobby

[spice spire]

You sweet summer child

[spice spire]

Cease

[fallow canopy]

valve has enough money

[runic hinge]

[lime edge]

I almost started in legion

But nope

Idk why they took a million years to add corruption vendor

And then they added it in a 2 month rotation

[storm forum]

did someone ping me?

[spice spire]

@storm forum

Not trying to flame just trying to help king

[storm forum]

Civil Disobedience? yeah

[storm forum]

ty goat

[severe meadow]

Damn, someone that raided with us started trialing with ya'll

[storm forum]

o cool

[spice spire]

Lanille, known poacher

[storm forum]

its true

love poaching

once upon a time i was the only dps in my guild that didnt get an in game letter trying to poach us

my self esteem has never recovered

is it okay to ask who youre talking about and what guild ur in?

[lime edge]

Wait i have an idea

[storm forum]

i feel weird asking

[lime edge]

No primary stats, and add stats specific to leather, cloth, plate, and mail

[severe meadow]

Feli

[latent kernel]

There’s a huge portion of the community that genuinely never sees myth gear and hero gear is the goal

[iron thorn]

just got a champ plume warbound on my evoker bye bye solarflare prism

[spice spire]

Ascension

[lime edge]

I mean thats fine, they just dont care about gear at all

[spice spire]

I hate prism

[lime edge]

I hate stat trinkets

Truee

I like trinkets that actually do something

[static glacier]

Not trying to help, just trying to flame, king

[spice spire]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HFQm6PDaYAEMLMo.mp4

[gaunt herald]

imagine puzzle boxing and actually having to solve ts

faster solve = longer buff

[static glacier]

Ngl, that might be more fun than half the raid fights

[lime edge]

Im down

Login

[static glacier]

Yo, maybe this is what flex-mythic has in store for us

[storm forum]

I'd resub for literally do a puzzle in the middle of combat with my head in the boss's crotch gameplay

[lime edge]

Guys

What if we could merge trinkets

[royal lantern]

valve also doesnt develop games

[lime edge]

And combine them into new trinkets

[runic hinge]

one time i got an ingame mail trying to get poached

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/streamer-ohne-ohnepixel-eh6z0IXcGlKkp4sC4G

[runic hinge]

meirl

[humble verge]

i just got DMed om discord

[storm forum]

im so jealous tony

someone poach me

please

[storm forum]

good for you

glad ur feeling good

im jumping

[marsh fjord]

I normally play around 1700 WR with my guild and i got a message from someone trying to poach me.

Makes my day tho 😄

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/looneytunesworldofmayhem-qIogndfnTKCwYLJZPU

[storm forum]

fire enchanted chungus

[fallow canopy]

The only time I got dmed for something like that it was a scam

[weary shoal]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[runic hinge]

wasnt the letter from you? or was it your rl? i cant remember

[storm forum]

oh

i forgot i sent that one

right we needed a rogue last expac and i wanted to be funny

[runic hinge]

[leaden epoch]

what do we craft im new to rogue and want to main it this expansion

[runic hinge]

Craft a dagger with darkmoon hunt

[leaden epoch]

crit haste?

[runic hinge]

sounds good

[leaden epoch]

and what next to dagger

[runic hinge]

then a low stat piece like bracers with arcanoweave

[leaden epoch]

all my gear is low haha

[runic hinge]

well i mean like

[humble verge]

i mean, the guilds ive joined ive had no proper attachment to (no irl friends or long friend relation from before) so i would jump on that tbh

[runic hinge]

bracers have less stats on them than like anything else

[humble verge]

yes

[leaden epoch]

but best for later right?

[runic hinge]

yea its best for later

[frosty cedar]

Bracers or cloak

I did cloak

Cause you can get gemslot bracers

I think cloak is better ngl

[normal mist]

i did dagger - belt - ring

[runic hinge]

I got a cloak second vault but i dont raid so it was my best option

[frosty cedar]

Dagger - cloak - shoulders

[leaden epoch]

butr we can craft 3 items indd

what should be 3ththen

i only m+

[onyx veldt]

you can do belt or pants i think

[leaden epoch]

so dagger, cloak , belt?

[onyx veldt]

you can

or

grab the belt from POS and craft pants

if you have bonus roll

the belt from pit is better than the crafted one

[leaden epoch]

and ring?

[onyx veldt]

i didnt sim ring tbh

i have dagger neck pants wrist crafted

[leaden epoch]

can we craft 4 ?

[onyx veldt]

yes

you can only use 2 embellished hto

[leaden epoch]

yeah indeed

[onyx veldt]

but also you might wanna check your crest tho

cost a lot

so theres prob better options

[gaunt herald]

got the 2 set

[gray raven]

tuning this week?

[runic hinge]

its friday

maybe hotfixes annouced later

[late gulch]

is assassin behind outlaw by alot in keys?

[gray raven]

not in terms of the amount of fun to be had 🙂

[runic hinge]

the datascraping slop website i use to rank specs says no

[gaunt herald]

with the raid ST spec, would I just completely ignore any add packs and leave them to the rest

[royal lantern]

yeha, kinda

FoK if 3 or more enemys are nearby

but otherwhise just afk boss

[gaunt herald]

so just swap builder

[golden loom]

LMAO

[gaunt herald]

ahh shit i misplaced those

weird they went to you

[runic hinge]

hey can i get those

[golden loom]

[humble verge]

and bis sub stats

[golden loom]

up on AH if u wanna buy em

[pliant maple]

aoe rotation with pbox

is it pop box after bleeds are on everything?

not sure which way it snapshots

[latent kernel]

It doesn’t snapshot bleeds auto adjust

[iron thorn]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotations-opener

[primal parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-money-in-the-bank-gif-18244609

[onyx veldt]

!aoe

[golden loom]

what do you wanna know about aoe?

[onyx veldt]

^

[royal lantern]

there is literally a picture in this chat open right now

[marsh fjord]

Yeah I don’t want to raid this season anymore and I’m just prepping my rogue for next season

[onyx veldt]

no was just checking if we had a command on aoe

for when ppl ask

[royal lantern]

oh yeha, dont have that rn

[primal parrot]

how tf do i sim embellishments if i already have two equipped
either im blind or raidbots wont let you with droptimizer

[loud light]

the + on the item lets you change the embellishments

[primal parrot]

ooh thank you kindly

[loud light]

if you want to add a new embellished item, you've also gotta remove the embellishment from one of your current ones and include that as an option

[plucky ember]

....i cant find a good hc crown kill

[polar sail]

@balmy condor

Bro

Where is the sword

[hybrid apex]

Did the apex talent envenom buff tracking get fixed silently?

[royal lantern]

get a guild instead of pugging

🙂

[royal lantern]

no

[hybrid apex]

Hmm weird sometimes it seems to start tracking stacks after the energy regen buff drops off

[plucky ember]

done that

[frosty cedar]

kill it till it's dead

[balmy condor]

cause it's a 20 year old game

[onyx veldt]

im stuck with my bonus roll

dont know what to use them on

ill prob just stack them

[buoyant herald]

What slots do you need replacing / which dungeon or raid boss drops the most of those slots / which dungeon or raid boss has the least items you don’t want

That’s the consideration really

[onyx veldt]

well

i only need waist ig

but is it worth bonus rolling for that? idk

[buoyant herald]

Algethar might be worth looking at for puzzy b and ring at least

Not sure what else is in there off the top of my head

Looks like you’ve been pretty lucky with vault loot so far!

[onyx veldt]

not even

i dropped all

LOL

[buoyant herald]

I mean that’s bis dagger and neck though right

[onyx veldt]

Ah yea true dagger is from vault

and neck bonus rolled

[buoyant herald]

I think pit still has bis ring and belt

[onyx veldt]

yes!

[lime edge]

Yo is it good now or what

I used to play a lot back when they released reboot

[royal lantern]

no

[buoyant herald]

Pit is pretty safe even if you’ve got 2 bits from there since there’s another 3-4 nice pieces still and you’ve taken one off the table already

[onyx veldt]

yeah prob my best option rn

but i want gaze so bad

AHAHa

[balmy condor]

I mean, they keep breaking their own player count records

[buoyant herald]

There’s a belt off chim too so that’s not a bad option

[lime edge]

[buoyant herald]

And chest token which is upgrade still

[royal lantern]

paid bots

[balmy condor]

"good" is subjective idk

[buoyant herald]

But it’s also two coins so 🤷‍♂️

[onyx veldt]

yea but my parses are shit so its hard to get invited

lmao

[balmy condor]

I think every patch in the last ~3 yeras

has been nothing but good stuff

[royal lantern]

literally NOBODY checks parses

what are you smoking lol

[balmy condor]

it's quite a good run they're on

[onyx veldt]

i swear they do

"will look parse"

[lime edge]

Is reboot still a thing

[onyx veldt]

"link in note"

[lime edge]

It used to be the "non p2w" server

[balmy condor]

yes, it's where about 98% of the community plays

[lime edge]

Cool

[coral ibex]

anyone know what might have happend to this item? i got this achievement when i logged in but there's no timelost saddle in my inventory

[primal parrot]

check mail

[coral ibex]

no mail either

[primal parrot]

add it to the list of 12.0.5 bugs

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--9kqhzQ-8Q

[coral ibex]

yes i did in fact check my butthole thank you

[primal parrot]

SDIYBT

[coral ibex]

it was the first place i checked

[balmy condor]

Nice

Can you check my butthole

[humble verge]

ok so like

trying to get my last 16s for resi 16

seat 16

we have done all the packs

or almost all, last big guy with pack

dies 3 seconds in

and we just abandon

)=IDASIOJDI=UJOASDJIOASJIODS

[plucky ember]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-for-something-beavis-mike-judges-beavis-and-butt-head-s2-e9-scanning-the-area-gif-5996893922892115986

[coral ibex]

dog im stuck resi 15 bc pugs are just fucked

[humble verge]

noob

[primal parrot]

wtf does resi mean even

[humble verge]

resilient

the thing they did in tww so that we dont need to get our keys downgraded from 17 to a 9

[coral ibex]

it means your key cant go down

based on the highest level you've completed all seasonal dungeons at

my key can't go lower than 15 unless i manually downgrade it

[primal parrot]

i see
cuz i keep seeing it in lfg titles wondering wtf this new meme was about

[coral ibex]

it just means nobody cares if you brick

[primal parrot]

bricking keys is part of pushing anyways

[coral ibex]

the npc that downgrades ur keystones gives you the item

[royal lantern]

90% of bricked keys is tank related

its funny af

[humble verge]

real

and real

[royal lantern]

start any key, and there is a 50% chance your shity FotM Brewmaster never uses RoP or tries to get some distance in a pull where you kinda wanna get some distance at SOME point

diess

stands afk for 30sec at the entrance

->abandon vote

[humble verge]

@coral ibex ...

16 mt

after first boss

:D

[primal parrot]

bm
when fucking

mm and surv exists

[lime edge]

Hunter

[jaunty lotus]

A tank briked my 16 npx yesterday because he saw the shiny light on second boss and cleaved the entire group with the add to get it

It's so bad right now

[dire flume]

bms fun

resto shaman buffs not doing much for that guy huh

[humble verge]

i mean idk

i assume the hunter had dc issues

because he was doing this bad in a 16

his gear wasnt bad tbf

[primal parrot]

asking for atleast 100k+ overall isnt a big ask in a 16+ i feel

[humble verge]

real

i mean

in a +16

you should be at a 200k pre first boss

depending on the dung

or atleast 170-180

[dire flume]

im 250ilvl on my hunter and was hitting 100k in mgt

[humble verge]

poggie

[dire flume]

deffo not a spec issue

it does better with more target count though

so ig if your tank is pulling weird it can be excused

[primal parrot]

not sub 100k weird

[dire flume]

i tiny bit

[quaint dragon]

guys can someone explain how this guy has 220k on heroic crown?

[humble verge]

logging 220k

or p1?

[quaint dragon]

whole fight i think

[balmy condor]

they removed downtime from logs

[glossy mica]

hey guys, if the tank is making a big pull like in algethar, when do you pop deathmark and kings bane? I mean do you first spread the bleeds to X targets or do you pop immediately and simply use crimson tempest for builder?

[humble verge]

oh they finally did

when im not gonna clear it in the next few weeks

[balmy condor]

wdym finally

it's 12.0.5

[humble verge]

yeah i mean

[balmy condor]

they had a survey and everything

[humble verge]

im not gonna kill it until we are done with l'ura

[balmy condor]

yeh

be like that

[humble verge]

tbf

i feel like we could just go in an

10 pull her by now

maybe.

or it depends, since we did it pre-"buff"

[leaden epoch]

í didnt do anything with the voidforge yet is it catchup or do i have to wait 6 weeks total?

[onyx veldt]

i have questions about vanish usage in m+

[proper rain]

he's right above you

[balmy condor]

bonus rolls are this week, I think you could just buy more to catchup, the upgrade system is a breadcrumb quest that unlocks in 4 weeks

[onyx veldt]

what if you get the chance to re stealth between pulls hence you dont need to vanish before DM/KB

[leaden epoch]

but i mean unlock the voidforge with 6 times x3 shards

is that possible in 1 week

[balmy condor]

yeah

[leaden epoch]

or i do wait 6 weeks

[onyx veldt]

when do you use vanish then

[balmy condor]

you hold it for later

[balmy condor]

if you just run enough m+ it'll be fine

[leaden epoch]

so no need to wait 6 weeks

[balmy condor]

no

[onyx veldt]

arent you losing dps if you do that?

[leaden epoch]

thx whispyr

[balmy condor]

how would you be losing dps

you got a stealth

the only thing you get from stealth/vanish is improved garrote

if you already have improved garrote

[onyx veldt]

idk tbh might be min maxing at this point

[balmy condor]

then there's no benefit

idk if I'd call it min maxing to send a cd that doesn't give you anything :P

[onyx veldt]

yea i see

i mean like if you do a large pull and at some point you have to re apply bleeds and DM/KB is already on CD

it might be worth to vanish?

[balmy condor]

yeh that would be a reason to vanish

[onyx veldt]

okok

[balmy condor]

typically unless you're doing giga high keys, mobs don't last that long

like you wouldn't vanish to reapply garrotes when they're at 10% hp ofc

[onyx veldt]

ok yea true

tyty

[balmy condor]

typically just holding it for a chain pull or a boss

totally fine

[lime edge]

What if they just removed improved garrote

Why is that still a thing

I dont understand why assa has to have dps with stealth

[royal lantern]

are we still complaining about vanish in frking 226

[balmy condor]

me when stealthy rogue has stealthy mechanic

how strange!

[lime edge]

Im not talking about vanish specifically lool

How are we stealthy

[balmy condor]

......?

[placid wave]

because you are an assassin

what is happening

[balmy condor]

I.. what?

why does assassination rogue have dps with stealth
because that's what a rogue is
how is a rogue stealth