Ah mb was looking a dungeon slice sim, makes more sense looking at ST especially. Ty
#assassination
frigid void
bright hemlock
do we just pretty much always use crit buff in algethar?
supple cloud
does anyone know if sin is simming higher than sub for st?
latent kernel
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
balmy condor
do we just pretty much always use crit buff in algethar?
yes
severe sparrow
tell my raid to stop giving me so many externals and invalidating all my stuff :<
vital flicker
does anyone know if sin is simming higher than sub for st?
like 99% of the time going off sims to gauge the dps of a class is meaningless especially when comparing 2 different classes. sims are mainly for comparing gear/talents within a spec and nothing else
vital flicker
who tf is hitting pi on the assa rogue
my gf plays priest so I get pi all of the time, is it optimal? hell no. Am I complaining? also no
severe sparrow
dunno if that counts for that 
vital flicker
who tf is hitting pi on the assa rogue
outer thicket
What do you give in return?
vital flicker
What do you give in return?
are rogues supposed to give things in return? I can't even even bring a viable raid buff to my M+ group
I am what one would call a selfish PI lover
coral ibex
got the wrong trinket from chim on bonus roll
lmao
they even gave me the belt that dropped to improve the drop chance
balmy condor
insane
vital flicker
can you not get items you already own? I thought it was just items that you already got from rolls
balmy condor
no
vital flicker
is that wowanalyzer?
mortal tusk
is that wowanalyzer?
y
balmy condor
they even gave me the belt that dropped to improve the drop chance
that's not how that works 
good comms
vital flicker
doesn't it warn you that it doesn't work for sin rogue?
vital flicker
nooj scamming his loot council
I will have to try this in the future
coral ibex
nooj scamming his loot council
Sorry. There are too many errors in my UI. As a result, my game experience may be degraded.
balmy condor
you don't press shiv
onyx veldt
no luck on gaze
balmy condor
you're bonus rolling for gaze week 1?
onyx veldt
praying to be able to pug it on mythic ig
analog hedge
is this good?
balmy condor
crazy work
balmy condor
is this good?
no
mortal tusk
you don't press shiv
k thx ;), just restarting rogue, after playing drood tank, i'm reaching my limit at +16/17.
lime edge
who tf is hitting pi on the assa rogue
i ask for pi, im a gamer
sudden grotto
anyones Timeline reminders like quiet as F ?
onyx coyote
anyone else having random huge lag spikes in the raid?
onyx coyote
it seems to know when its time to jump platforms on alleria :/
but glad to know its not just me
vital flicker
is this good?
it's actually crazy how undertuned Emberwing Feather is, you would have to buff it by like 80% to make it on par with something like guidon or puzzlebox
so little stats on a 2 min cd with a downside, and it never got buffed
onyx veldt
tysm
vital flicker
plume gives you stats right as you need it I kinda think of it like pacemaker
balmy condor
yeh
it's 60, removing 1 stack per second
and when it hits zero it goes back to 60
onyx veldt
still debating to either take that chest or them tokens...
coral ibex
nah i can't do it man
i can't play sub
the fart cloud is funny but its misery to play this spec
bright turret
sin 3% aura buff next week, bet
vital flicker
sin 3% aura buff next week, bet
Nah they will just nerf trickster next week and maybe buff Brewmaster monk because they missed it on this patch and they needed to buff every meta spec
balmy condor
the fart cloud is funny but its misery to play this spec
it's gud
balmy condor
real
bright turret
Nah they will just nerf trickster next week and maybe buff Brewmaster monk becau...
they're gonna have to nerf a bunch of stuff before they even think of fart cloud
devourer is gonna have a big bullseye if they bother
timid widget
it's gud
struggling to find a spec to main for the mythic raid we r on saladman currently but it seems like assa will be better then sub for alleria and the 2 boss raid?
balmy condor
sub is definitely better on alleria and bird
vital flicker
real
Gonna pull an automaticjak replace Fuu and Guy as the outlaw and sub rogue guide writer
balmy condor
but if you're on salad I don't think your spec choice is important
play what you think is fun
timid widget
i enjoy all of them just trying to minimize being benched just because of spec on the end bosses sub has been fine on these early boss's and from what ive read all our spec r useless on paladins fight
stuck lodge
I got the dagger from pit and it is simming worse than my haste vers dagger
very strange
balmy condor
if you're minimizing bench chance you'd learn all 3
outlaw probably best paladin spec atm
they all use the same stats so it's whatever
you just get yourself a main hand and a ring swap and it's fine
bright turret
paladins still looks like sin based on the handful of logs so far
vital flicker
i enjoy all of them just trying to minimize being benched just because of spec o...
Unless there is another rogue in your group, benching a rogue is kinda cooked. Despite what people may think 3.6% dr is usually pretty good
vagrant prism
they all use the same stats so it's whatever
what's ur stats on sub?
bright turret
could be real outlaw gamers haven't raided yet though
balmy condor
what's ur stats on sub?
I have like 850ish haste and 1k crit
I use the same gear set as I do on assa
last week when ds sub was better I would ring swap for haste and use a haste flask to get to 1100
I play the same 850/1000 set for outlaw
vagrant prism
crazy
balmy condor
all 3 specs like crit and haste
it's actually free
I don't even ring swap with the trickster stuff anymore
vagrant prism
ye but i thought sub needed like mastery and crit swap
vagrant prism
u dont like more mastery on sub?
balmy condor
and then the rest just crit and mast
vagrant prism
ty
sacred oyster
welp, belt and neck from POS this week
vagrant prism
kek
onyx veldt
welp, belt and neck from POS this week
did u raid yet?
sacred oyster
no but i dont myth raid so no real upgrades i can get now from hc raids
neck and ring was the only maybes lol
now im all myth jewelry
onyx veldt
u have gaze already?
sacred oyster
no but ima cry replacing a myth trinket with a hero one
onyx veldt
Ah
sacred oyster
a myth one i fully upgraded
plain thistle
welp, belt and neck from POS this week
apparently you can get 2x the same item, you risked there =x
onyx veldt
fair enough
sacred oyster
i have solarflare
plain thistle
did 1x pit got the neck, but will wait before using the second roll
sacred oyster
apparently you can get 2x the same item, you risked there =x
wth really? how blizz gonna screw up a core concept of the feature lol
onyx veldt
lmao
stuck lodge
so am I missing something or do two weapon classes just have to eat the 100 crest cost that 2handers dont
sacred oyster
yep, but oh isnt a priority to upgrade though
stuck lodge
Yeah, you just take the small ilvl hit I guess
balmy condor
yeh, dual wielders get to put extra crests, but offhands don't contribute to damage
so it's chill
stuck lodge
Wait its lose lose lol extra crests, offhands don't really do much, and you need them to drop two
balmy condor
you don't
like it's tuned that way
so you only need 1
the second one is just auto attacks
so you don't feel forced to farm twice
or be forced into twice the crests
stuck lodge
Does that affect ilvl though?
stuck lodge
Right so some downside there
balmy condor
it doesn't hit your damage
stuck lodge
I mean, me tryna get into pugs as a rogue
latent kernel
so surely you just droptimizer for season 1 dungeons and see which dungeons have most potential game and dinar those right?
zealous moth
onyx veldt
analog hedge
is everything okay at home?
analog hedge
pat pat
sacred oyster
hey it might hq
timid widget
Unless there is another rogue in your group, benching a rogue is kinda cooked. D...
No other rogue and im usually top 5 dps on most fights but we 25 man roster and most people not on the main team slam fotm specs
junior yoke
morning guys, is there any way to track t he envenom apex talent? or just be smart enough to count 5?
sacred oyster
morning guys, is there any way to track t he envenom apex talent? or just be sma...
Nooka Implaccable Addon
junior yoke
thank you 🙂
warped heath
Nooka Implaccable Addon
Does it solve the issue where it stops tracking properly?
sacred oyster
its a sep addon that gives icons just for it to be positioned in center of screen, doesnt use cdm
worked great for me
pastel ermine
is assa behind compared to the other specs now or are we fine
balmy condor
fine still
pastel ermine
lowkey was thinking of risking it and rolling in nexusfor outlaw weap
balmy condor
yeh either that or skyreach I guess if you want the outlaw wep
storm forum
😠
honest mantle
anyone else having issues shadowstepping?
tab target shadowstep sends me to previous target
so annoying
fallow canopy
killed paladins.. DCd for a min furing the fight
every try someone on our guild dced on that fight
there's something fucky going on
gilded oasis
smoll indie company
storm forum
shouldve been a nine hour maintenance
gilded oasis
24 hr maintenance
elder agate
btw we can roll more then once when finish one key
?
haughty flicker
really glad there wasnt any mention of rerolls being bugged and giving the same item until after i used my second one and got the same item
i just want to play a relatively working video game man
spice spire
Gg bel reroll time
haughty flicker
i mean the only reason i havent already quit this season is i was the only priest for my guild
and we have a new disc trial now so thats not an issue
this is just a sign
storm forum
at least we're not the buggiest class for a patch?
radiant otter
really glad there wasnt any mention of rerolls being bugged and giving the same ...
did you do different key levels
amber yew
guys deathstalker now more effective in raids ?
rugged basalt
I’m sorry for people that got beta tested
Apparently it was different key stone levels being treated as having separate loot tables
runic hinge
guys deathstalker now more effective in raids ?
no
cunning needle
Apparently it was different key stone levels being treated as having separate lo...
dont think this is true. someone reported getting same ring and they only ran 10s
deft vault
What stats does it give if i catalyst my cloak?
haughty flicker
Yeah i was an idiot and figured i would get them done early so I would be stronger for prog
Turns out 8 hours isn't long enough maintenance
cunning needle
ahhh yes i see the twitter post spreading that misinformation
celest helm
What stats does it give if i catalyst my cloak?
Go find out lol
rugged basalt
They opened early!
iron thorn
i cannot remember when EU last got an 8 hour maintenance
but looking at how people got scammed out of their bonus rolls i guess it's direly necessary
quiet star
but looking at how people got scammed out of their bonus rolls i guess it's dire...
so was it fixed or not?
and wtf actually blizzard
iron thorn
won't be able to login for the next 3 hours
and you can be very sure that I won't test if my bonusrolls are bugged
bitter horizon
EU servers up btw
rugged basalt
Maybe I’ll get a waist drop today!
iron thorn
bitter horizon
iron thorn
+1 bonus roll for both my characters lol
sacred forge
I have a question regarding gear and upgrade if anyone got a few sec
I have nexus rings with myth and hero track and got Platinum Star Band Myth track in vault, should I take it and replace Hero track ring from set?
iron thorn
sim it
bronze plover
hi is it ok to use double mythic dagger and use another embalishment?
cunning needle
hi is it ok to use double mythic dagger and use another embalishment?
probably not but 
cunning needle
hunt is kinda good
balmy condor
is there a reason why you would do that? not really either
cunning needle
gz take a token then
wary light
You can get a reroll token now yeah
bronze plover
should I i use rerolls for puzzle or chimerus ?
cunning needle
cunning needle
im gonna have to bonus roll raid 
balmy condor
ugly
cunning needle
very stinky yes
iron thorn
vernal gate
Idk here, should i take myth crit haste back or token for bonus roll?
Since i already have myth legs
onyx veldt
bonus rolling raid
why tho?
brave gyro
Good luck on vaults and no looting, no fucking looting
🥲🔫
onyx veldt
costs 2 rolls instead of 1
ahhhhhhh
iron thorn
Idk here, should i take myth crit haste back or token for bonus roll?
Since i al...
terrace is a dungeon you probably won't bonus roll in, so that's a decent item
bronze plover
Idk here, should i take myth crit haste back or token for bonus roll?
Since i al...
ifu get token then u can reroll?
onyx veldt
fair enough ty
snow kindle
Only nice part of getting said item is raid is you potentially save crests
But damn that’s a lot of rng to rely on if you don’t need all the pieces
spring needle
Pepega vault 🤡
rugged basalt
is kinda troll
I’m trolling this week sorry king
rugged basalt
Pepega vault 🤡
What was saladbar waist secondary
snow kindle
Along as you don’t do it on heroic
onyx veldt
@rugged basalt do i gamble with you
rugged basalt
I’m gonna roll it on dr m
onyx veldt
i need me a gazer gazer
rugged basalt
Heroic is complete troll
snow kindle
What dr? Dr as in dragons?
rugged basalt
subtle tundra
all i need is your looove tonight
bronze plover
i hope everyone use rolls on chimeus and get trinket then leader give the dropped one to me 🙂
honest comet
Sadness in vault
balmy condor
+1 reroll
exotic salmon
Hi. Do we use new talent for bleed build?
honest comet
Just grab the 6 thinges?
balmy condor
pins
balmy condor
Just grab the 6 thinges?
unless you need the mythic boots I guess
honest comet
285 crafted boots
balmy condor
crafted boots
honest comet
so no
honest comet
Ye i had vet boots for a long time, cause no boots wanted to drop 🙂
so i decided to bite the bullet
balmy condor
fair enough
bronze plover
i didnt find reroll item to buy reroll i guess should finish voideforge q first
primal parrot
dont do the mirror delve in eversong
picking up a mirror will brick your strafing
balmy condor
reroll item should just be on the coin vendor like sockets
honest comet
Reroll seems good, more chances of crignebox
bronze plover
reroll item should just be on the coin vendor like sockets
in my page i dont see it unless i have to sth
honest comet
Reroll item not visable for me atm, havent done the quest today so I'm gonna do that first
bronze plover
u have to do +10 keys for myth guarnatee
balmy condor
in my page i dont see it unless i have to sth
yeh might need to unlock first
I guess
balmy condor
Is Bonus roll guaranteed Myth?
it's equal to vault
bronze plover
yeh might need to unlock first
clearing 3 normal bosses fast
balmy condor
so +10 in vault is 1/6
+9 in vault is some dogshit ass hero track whatever who cares
deft vault
Go find out lol
im not infront of my computer
idle ravine
so, farm a dagger first then use the thing to put it in 298?
balmy condor
in 4 weeks, yes
jolly stirrup
Also FUCK YEAH AOE BLIND!!!!!!!
bronze plover
in 4 weeks, yes
when the thingy for ilvl upgrade is available
i mean the item that add ilvl to items
balmy condor
yes
idle ravine
oh its not right now, mb
jolly stirrup
north spruce
is it just me or is the void strikes in ZA completely missing
golden loom
so, farm a dagger first then use the thing to put it in 298?
Seems to be gated for 4 weeks if I understood correctly
junior olive
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
jolly stirrup
Aight, lemme roll out of bed and open my vault, just to be disappointed yet again
zinc frost
Getting a bonus roll out of a bad vault is a big W
shadow gyro
if using bonus rolls on a raid boss, will i only be able to get loot from that boss or from any boss in the raid? i'm assuming you don't get to pick which slot you want right?
wintry vapor
I think it's time to find out how I sim my best vault item...
tawny rapids
Does anyone know a way to create a large focus cast bar so I can track better, is there any add on?
wintry vapor
Isn't the feather better?
golden loom
Myth Prism not too shabby I guess
Depends if you have hero gaze / plume
jolly stirrup
I do have plume in HC
golden loom
Cause prism is lowkey stinky 
haughty flame
so much hype on outlaw, is it really going to own shine assa in m+??
jolly stirrup
To the Robot I go
wintry vapor
I suppose getting a myth track weapon with poor stats (haste/vers) is less useful than getting a myth track chest
rugged basalt
I should’ve greeded my champ boots into this week ngl
Myth dagger is myth dagger tho
golden loom
I suppose getting a myth track weapon with poor stats (haste/vers) is less usefu...
You dont care about the secondaries on mainhand really, myth dagger is myth dagger
wintry vapor
It would be an itemlevel upgrade of 4 over my crafted weapon, and to my understanding off-hand isn't too useful a slot for assassination
Hm, I see
golden loom
And true, offhand is whatever but MH is the single biggest slot
rugged basalt
Sims probably like the dagger
wintry vapor
Very well, I shall take the dagger then, for some reason it doesn't want to let me sim anyway.
Thank you for your input
rugged basalt
Wdym
wintry vapor
It keeps telling me that it would not support my outdated version of WoW, yet both the game itself and the simcraft addon are updated.
rugged basalt
There’s a checkbox to load incomparable addons anyway
jolly stirrup
Yep, Robot says to go for Shoulders into Cata
rugged basalt
There’s a checkbox to load incomparable addons anyway
In the addons menu
wintry vapor
Ah, I fixed it. Had to re-open the website instead of simply reloading it.
golden loom
Yep, Robot says to go for Shoulders into Cata
Might also be worth considering taking tokens for an extra reroll
rugged basalt
Ctrl shift r would do that too
golden loom
Since a reroll token could also be shoulders - or a better item
I think all my alts with m+ rows are taking the tokens unless they get puzzlebox or weapon 😀
subtle tundra
Since a reroll token could also be shoulders - or a better item
can you bonus roll delves
youd know
balmy condor
yes
and prey
very good drop table
on prey rolls
it's only a gorillion items
west blaze
is it +10 for mythic track rerolls?
balmy condor
yes
runic hinge
What did you get from your roll
subtle tundra
i will get 4x puzzle box(on all my characters)
amber blaze
Are we still sticking with FB this reset ?
runic hinge
Yes
amber blaze
Nvm read the pin
shut storm
Can somebody smart tell me how big are these new buffs?
balmy condor
we got no buffs
subtle tundra
b-but
its a buff if youre a fotm player
cause you play outlaw/sub now instead of assa
spare flume
sub got buffs ?
balmy condor
yes
subtle tundra
sub is op now
subtle tundra
top 3 specs in the game
insane burst
Absolutely FUCKS
i am a psyop to make everyone leave assa so they can remove CT
dire flume
remove or revert
shut storm
Well sorry I’m stupid. I saw some big ass patch notes and I figured out it has to be a buff
balmy condor
outlaw and sub fun
uneven widget
Is it just me or AyijeCDM is not working?
rugged basalt
If it’s out of date, hit the load incompatible addons checkbox in addons window ig?
runic hinge
outlaw and sub fun
When are you playing outlaw
uneven widget
Got it marked and I updated all addons before
rugged basalt
Lowk wanna try outlaw but also don’t wanna bother getting a new main hand
Lowk wanna try sub but don’t wanna fall asleep 10s after the pull starts (I’m biased)
Weird
uneven widget
its not even showing in the addons in options
royal hazel
Raid vs m+ reroll. I read somewhere the chance of getting trinket is the same as m+ due to loot table 3v6
quiet star
so did we get any ingo about bonus drop fix or not?
royal hazel
Is that confirmed i dont wanna waste reroll chima m if its too hard to get
finite gazelle
Do we game dealthstalker now in m+?
royal hazel
Puzzle box is superior so maybe i do that first
chilly spoke
blind aoe 🤓 👍
royal hazel
Cc chain baby
primal parrot
Lowk wanna try outlaw but also don’t wanna bother getting a new main hand
Lowk w...
lowkey want deathstalker to be lowkey good lowkey
buoyant herald
no caps
rugged basalt
lowkey want deathstalker to be lowkey good lowkey
Do you think the mark will transfer to the training dummy on maisara caverns or in voidspire
warm vortex
Do you think the mark will transfer to the training dummy on maisara caverns or ...
Haha
that would be so fucking funny
marsh fjord
ok need full cc>haste>mastery ?
You should simply sim yourself
icy shoal
yes yes i sim but i jsut want to knwo if hast have cap mini
marsh fjord
No caps. Just sim your pieces
If you would reach a cap the sim would direct you the other way
rugged basalt
There’s a general rule of thumb but it’s still dictated by actively simming
primal parrot
Do you think the mark will transfer to the training dummy on maisara caverns or ...
i think fries goes really well with hamburgers
rugged basalt
i think fries goes really well with hamburgers
So you’re saying it’d be buns
balmy condor
onyx veldt
i ahve crafted neck
rugged basalt
Good neck
candid jasper
Is there a point where assassination pulls ahead of sub? I've been cranking as sub but seem to be quite significantly below on assassination
balmy condor
Is there a point where assassination pulls ahead of sub? I've been cranking as s...
assa just does real good in higher key levels cause things don't insta die
and it's got giga prio
while sub has none
lyric grail
Wdym cranking bp Spamming aoe?no funnel xd
quiet star
Do you guys use tricks of the trade? I don't really see any issues with aggro on tanks in 12+
balmy condor
Do you guys use tricks of the trade? I don't really see any issues with aggro on...
I took tricks out of the builds in the guide for a season in TWW because I think it's a fucking worthless button
and I got actually flamed to shit for it
so I had to put it back
jaunty whale
Shame on you
balmy condor
keep speaking the truth
buoyant herald
i dunno who you're doing keys with but
not uncommon to grab agro on stuff while tank is gathering, even just dot spreading
for me 🙁
so yeah i use it, with the autotricks addon thingy
ive even yoinked agro on prio mob if tank isn't focussing
during cds
balmy condor
yeah so the neat part is if you as the assa rogue are pulling aggro from pressing garrote on something
we got other issues
buoyant herald
well yeah
quiet star
I took tricks out of the builds in the guide for a season in TWW because I think...
I will take blackjack, tricks sounds like something very niche especially on assa with ramp up
buoyant herald
but dying then pointing finger at tank is still worse than just hitting the button
quiet star
not uncommon to grab agro on stuff while tank is gathering, even just dot spread...
bruh
balmy condor
if you get a dogshit tank and the other 2 dps are also afk and not hitting the add then you just wait idk
quiet star
wtf uncommon is
buoyant herald
you do your best with what you're given lol
quiet star
you press dots
spare flume
ew we really go deathstalker for high keys
quiet star
when he pulled and if he run
balmy condor
ew we really go deathstalker for high keys
who is "We"
spare flume
who is "We"
just saw it on icy, thought will be the norm
quiet star
you don't press burst in first second when you see tank pulled something
balmy condor
I haven't seen a deathstalker key yet
quiet star
you also have PuzzleBox now
balmy condor
from any high end player
balmy condor
deathstalker is like TECHNICALLY better if you need the prio, but it's worse overall
and the way it seems currently
is that overall is more important
lyric grail
I don’t Check icy if u wanna know stuff
spare flume
fate prio isnt bad aswell
balmy condor
you're getting one shot by everything anyway at that level
which like, you could take deathstalker for the defensive
quiet star
deathstalker is like *TECHNICALLY* better if you need the prio, but it's worse o...
-5% from caustic splatter is hursh
balmy condor
but it's rough
balmy condor
-5% from caustic splatter is hursh
funny enough, deathstalker does more caustic damage
still nymph
tbh i never saw much use in the other talent but now with aoe 30% dmg reduce, i might take it over a bit of safety during pull
quiet star
funny enough, deathstalker does more caustic damage
but how
balmy condor
deathstalker is nothing but caustic damage
and some piss shit talents for like passive rupture and fok
big envenom, the autos do plague
the mark does plague
fatebound buffs everything generically
so even with the 5% spatter
quiet star
interesting
balmy condor
you're just not buffing the sources of spatter as much as deathstalker would
like darkest night envenoms
truck like a mfer
spare flume
eh fuck deathstalker then
balmy condor
I mean it's mostly fine, just to run deathstalker you'd need to run impossibly high keys to see the esoteric value
the real fuck deathstalker is cause the gameplay is rancid
gotta press shiv
and generate on 6cp
and you get an extra button so you can target swap
really cool and epic
honest comet
Is the enchant eyes of the eagle sim bait or is it actually better then secondaries for me atm?
honest comet
Ye that's what i figgured
quiet star
gotta press shiv
why?
honest comet
sitting at 39% atm, feels nice
balmy condor
why?
because you have to get yourself to 7cp for darkest night, and shiv is a very efficient way to go from 6->7
quiet star
Is the enchant eyes of the eagle sim bait or is it actually better then secondar...
that's actually good chant yes, for feral it's bis
quiet star
because you have to get yourself to 7cp for darkest night, and shiv is a very ef...
ooooh
honest comet
I mean i trust the robot over all - I was just curious 🙂
balmy condor
dry shiv 67 indeed
crisp pine
67
quiet star
need to check if shiv even damage now
topaz ore
what's the best trinket combo if I don't want to play puzzle ?
honest comet
Gaze + feather I'd assume
honest comet
I actually don't mind the box tbh
rugged basalt
I bound mut to my usual shiv slot because of how I was still pressing it when I had 6. On fb
onyx veldt
wait i can now craft a belt
balmy condor
I unironically think you'd go gaze + plume
honest comet
1 thing you have to do every DM window isnt horrible
balmy condor
and just double passive
onyx veldt
honest comet
i meant plume (looks like a feather :))
rugged basalt
Might just skin shiv icon on my mut to troll screenshots
rugged basalt
I chose to sleep on heroic plume from vault because I’m fat and very greedy and want gaze 
honest comet
I lost heroic Gaze on a 99 roll yesterday and a 98 roll today - i aint getting that shit 😛
balmy condor
Might just skin shiv icon on my mut to troll screenshots
I did this at one point in dragonflight and made all my ability icons outlaw abilities
and people went schizo
rugged basalt
How does it affect the ambush thingy if I set mutilate in a macro
balmy condor
it doesn't
balmy condor
you physically cannot get around ambush replacing mutilate
only way would be to cancelaura blindside
stable pasture
what dungeon level can we bonus roll in, was it 10 or 12?
rugged basalt
No that’s fine it was more of me not wanting to miss out on ambushes
balmy condor
what dungeon level can we bonus roll in, was it 10 or 12?
10
rugged basalt
10 onwards but it’s bugged rn and doesn’t knockout loot
balmy condor
very good system
topaz ore
1 thing you have to do every DM window isnt horrible
I guess but I don't like it. I think I value more my enjoyment of something rather than opti
still nymph
much QA tested, yes yes
stable pasture
very good system
ill just send 1 roll then for now lol in a pit
balmy condor
the entire NA region is the QA test
like us walking into heroic lura
and getting our dick whacked
cause we're taking 20% of our hp in tick damage
still nymph
I guess but I don't like it. I think I value more my enjoyment of something rath...
i like the extra challenge of using it during void zone spawns or before the knockback on voracius
balmy condor
ill just send 1 roll then for now lol in a pit
good idea yeh
rugged basalt
na more like qa
crisp pine
gotem
rugged basalt
I don’t have wisecracks today I have a 9 hour work day
onyx veldt
I don’t have wisecracks today I have a 9 hour work day
did u pug chim yet?
rugged basalt
I’m doing it on Saturday 3 am
still nymph
how worth is it to hope for the voracius dagger, if only me and maaaybe a survival hunter can roll on it and using the bonus roll on windrunner for the legs? I already got the box
instead of using it on pit
candid jasper
Did assa see any buffs at all with the trickster cloud talent?
rugged basalt
how worth is it to hope for the voracius dagger, if only me and maaaybe a surviv...
Look into pit of saron loot table
balmy condor
I mean, do you have a ring, a neck, do you need a wrist, a cape
or uhhhh
something else
then you hit pit
hushed vortex
is farstrider mercy weapon bis?
balmy condor
and maybe get a dagger for free on top
balmy condor
is farstrider mercy weapon bis?
yes
rugged basalt
mmm pit
still nymph
those items are that strong, huh? alright
balmy condor
Did assa see any buffs at all with the trickster cloud talent?
trickster is a hero talent available to subtlety and outlaw, so no
balmy condor
those items are that strong, huh? alright
pit is 6 items of crit/haste
rugged basalt
PoS is very heavy on crit haste items spare one legs
balmy condor
LEGS
THAT was the slot
you just cata those yeh
4 crit/haste pieces, a dagger and a tier slot
and the dagger is crit/haste too
not that it fucking matters but like
ya know
polar sail
Is bonus roll bugging?
rugged basalt
Yes
balmy condor
yes
still nymph
have to check my dungeon myth track sim later when im back home.
golden loom
Wtf my dagger is vers mast cause I raided do I need to remake my rogue!
ancient ingot
Guys we ok now after sub outlaw up or behind every spec
rugged basalt
Wtf my dagger is vers mast cause I raided do I need to remake my rogue!
Sorry it’s doomed. Roll ddh
untold mortar
im not sure if going back to sub for high keys
ancient ingot
How should I sim correct assa and sub for understanding which dps meter should be better for me now with my gear, in keys?
balmy condor
How should I sim correct assa and sub for understanding which dps meter should b...
sims do not compare specs
onyx veldt
ah yea forgot to swap my neck
zinc frost
Played some outlaw trickster before - just pooping dust constantly what a banger
hushed vortex
what is this for? its needed to use? and wich one
balmy condor
that's for the embellishment and crests
you put hunt in the embellishment and myth crests in the other slot
ancient ingot
sims do not compare specs
Anyway I’m playing assa/sub in same my 17s keys and my sub meter feel so behind then assa
balmy condor
then don't play sub
rugged basalt
I’ll give sub a try when I get my hands on guidon
hushed vortex
wich one to use on every slot? its any guide of it?
ancient ingot
I don’t have guidon , I’m gaze/puzzle now, maybe after guidon sub so much better should be, then now
vast shuttle
i dont have any of the new items from void should i avoid raids until i can reroll?
balmy condor
what are items from void
vast shuttle
what are items from void
sry the rerrolls and upgrades
rugged basalt
wich one to use on every slot? its any guide of it?
I think the guide does have a page for it
But fireflash missive should give crit haste, and depending on what slot it is, the embellishment would differ. Crest is so you are crafting correct level. Myth crests (80) AND doing R5 (highest refinement) will give ilvl 285
primal parrot
how many fucking things did this patch break my god
balmy condor
sry the rerrolls and upgrades
I mean you're probably not rerolling raid items anyway
the upgrades aren't available for another 4 weeks
hushed vortex
I think the guide does have a page for it
But fireflash missive should give cri...
oh i see, ill try to find that out to not mistake craft
bronze plover
Got puzzle box first reroll of AA now waiting for chimèrus kill
glacial scroll
how many fucking things did this patch break my god
I'd give you a list but first you must close Lua errors until you don't care to see the answer anymore
golden loom
@subtle tundra yo did they break delves in any way? I am at the office atm so cant check
subtle tundra
i am at the office aswell. sorry to dissapoint
you know i did 9 delves yesterday
actually like 11
vast shuttle
the upgrades aren't available for another 4 weeks
what, i tought u could now reroll it into myth track or if it was +10 and rerroll u get myth track
subtle tundra
tier 1 delves but i still did them
balmy condor
what, i tought u could now reroll it into myth track or if it was +10 and rerrol...
yes, the bonus rolls are myth track from a +10
golden loom
you know i did 9 delves yesterday
I ran the same tier 11 delve like 7 times in a row on my dh to get the crit mastery ring in shop from dude at the end
honest comet
Upgrade =/= reroll, different things 🙂
Reroll available now, upgrades in 4 weeks
subtle tundra
also did a tier 8 on a 220 ilvl feral
normal mist
@balmy condor tried sub last night, last I played it was DF S1 in m+...
12121212312121212 I honestly wasn't expecting it to be this... Easy?
subtle tundra
absolutely destroyed it
golden loom
what shop
With 9 renown or whatever theres a guy you can buy hero items from (or just randomly get hero track items as loot)
Very good for alt gearing lowkey!
golden loom
Or 10 idk im maxed
subtle tundra
youre ill
shy axle
are the ilvl upgrade tokens availavle asap or do you need to do the quest 4 times?
glossy gale
its 9
subtle tundra
i diagnose you with the stupid
golden loom
Stupid for loot 🔥
subtle tundra
hc loot aswell
gyatt damn
double stupid
id actually need that buy item feature
ngl
i still dont have hc crest achiv
rugged basalt
What’s the delve bonus loot table
subtle tundra
at 283 ilvl
golden loom
subtle tundra
cause i havent received a single wrist in a billion dungeons
and im wearing hc crafted wrist
which doesnt fucking count
golden loom
The wrists are the cheapest and most common item from delve guy
balmy condor
are the ilvl upgrade tokens availavle asap or do you need to do the quest 4 time...
gotta do the 4 things for the quest
subtle tundra
except im renown 4 or whatever
balmy condor
wait
ilvl upgrade tokens
yes
different quest
also 4x
but that quest is a weekly
onyx halo
is like doing 200 delves
lol no its not? You get like 670 rep per T11 bountifull, if you play just 1 alt and do your weekly keys, you're there in no time
subtle tundra
lol no its not? You get like 670 rep per T11 bountifull, if you play just 1 alt ...
yeah mate im doing tier 11 delves
LOL
hushed vortex
that last one is a must? sorry im just new
balmy condor
that last one is a must? sorry im just new
you put dawncrests in there to boost the item level (recommend you use 80 myth crests)
golden loom
every delve done is one more suicidal thought
They'll never see it coming!
hushed vortex
can buy at AH?
golden loom
Those webs will summon nerubians!
subtle tundra
are you playing the game?
rugged basalt
subtle tundra
im stuck with 260 smth alts cause i aint got that fucking hc crest discount
ill get mythic discount sooner
rugged basalt
some psychotic people burn myth crests on alts to convert to hero
golden loom
Recraft bracers
subtle tundra
yes
subtle tundra
some psychotic people burn myth crests on alts to convert to hero
my whole guild
and everyone in top guilds
rugged basalt
ur whole guild is psychotic
subtle tundra
because it was absolutely bonkers to do so
subtle tundra
everyone had 4 alts
you just sacrificed one
i didnt though
cause i wasnt getting the hc items to actually upgrade
balmy condor
can buy at AH?
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/midnight/item-level-gear-upgrades-dawncrests
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/professions/creating-work-order-crafting-station
rugged basalt
I outgrow hc this week but I’m waiting on a natural 3/6 waist
hushed vortex
ty so much
subtle tundra
but i didnt need the hc discount either i had gigaloot
hushed vortex
can i craft now and upgrade later?
subtle tundra
yes you can recraft later
rugged basalt
ya
subtle tundra
just dont craft with the HC crests
cause thats a waste
uwu...
i wonder if i can get myth discount next week
if i bonus loot something at 282
get 282 from vault
does anyone know if myth achievement is at 285 or 289 or what, i remember it wasnt max ilvl in a previous patch
golden loom
285
rugged basalt
285
golden loom
Atleast dratnos said 285 so..
subtle tundra
hmmmmmmmmmmm
rugged basalt
Wait why doesn’t your hc wrist count for hero of the dawn
subtle tundra
nice game
golden loom
Crafted is 259
rugged basalt
Ya every achieve below myth requires non craft item
golden loom
Hero crests ah hell nah
subtle tundra
Hero crests ah hell nah
i dont need hc crests
so i just crafted with hc
and i had myth item to use myth crests on
golden loom
Ye just sounds/looks/smells awful
rugged basalt
just dont craft with the HC crests
You complain about society yet you participate in it…curious
I am a smart person
subtle tundra
i am a slave to capitalism and corporations
high dust
If only I was playing sub...
subtle tundra
yet i am talking on discord about a mickey mouse game during work hours
high dust
If only I was playing sub...
guess i'll take back...damn it
subtle tundra
take me back and fucking end me
magic thorn
If i pick this now. Can i still Bonus Roll this from Pit or is it removed from the Loot Pool ?
high dust
im not sure, but people are getting dupes already, its kinda bugged
marsh fjord
I won't use your bonus rolls at the moment
spice surge
If i pick this now. Can i still Bonus Roll this from Pit or is it removed from t...
You will still be able to get it from bonus rolls
spice surge
Even when they fix it, they explicitly said its only from rolls
high dust
u can use one, the bugged is using it again
marsh fjord
yeah getting a item does not mean it gets removed from the table.
it only gets removed from the table
magic thorn
So why would i ever pick it then. Man blizzard is a dumb company
marsh fjord
when you use a roll
onyx veldt
MH stats doenst matter right? so i dont need the dagger from pit?
balmy condor
correct
tulip mist
So i took myth belt from pit out of vault, can i still bonus roll it or is it out of the pool now?
spice surge
Read like 5 messages above
exotic salmon
this too much crit? + whats the name of the addon that shows the real stats?
marsh fjord
It kinda baffles me that people think getting loot will remove it from the pool.
spice surge
MH stats doesn’t matter?
Getting a high ilvl mainhand is the main priority
Secondary stats are, as the name suggests, secondary
balmy condor
MH stats doesn’t matter?
dagger secondary stats are super whatever
still nymph
found a vault sim from last week and the pit dagger sims even better than the raid ones and all items besides the wrists are upgrades. yeah i will gamble on pit xD
balmy condor
lowest secondary stat item in the game
wind totem
It kinda baffles me that people think getting loot will remove it from the pool.
In a logical world it would. But blizzard is making this game so it wont.
balmy condor
who cares what it has
merry monolith
Ah yeah, but if I have the chance to pick the pit dagger it’s worth it?
balmy condor
compared to any other myth dagger?
merry monolith
Yes
balmy condor
probably not unless you randomly bonus roll it
buty like you'd never take it from vault for example
you'd rather take a socket
marsh fjord
In a logical world it would. But blizzard is making this game so it wont.
I dont think its logical at all. that means if you would loot the entire pool you can never get loot again. so it makes sense to only be removed on the bonus roll
wind totem
I dont think its logical at all. that means if you would loot the entire pool yo...
or it means the loot availability resets once you get all the items.
There is a world in which blizzard make this system good. We dont live in that world.
merry monolith
Alright so If I got m track dagger I don’t need to hunt for pit one
still nymph
buty like you'd never take it from vault for example
you mean if replacing another myth dagger right?
marsh fjord
or it means the loot availability resets once you get all the items.
That can be a solution yes. but then bonus rolls would be absolute because you can just farm the dungeon. get all the items. and be done with it 😄 and whats the point of bonus rolls at that point
wind totem
to get the items
from the dungeon
instead of rolling the entire dungeon pool
once a week
wind totem
what the fuck are you talking about?
marsh fjord
You are saying: that instead of bonus rolls removing the item, we should just run the dungeon. and im saying if you would do it like that. you wouldnt have a need for bonus rolls. and thats why they make it like that.
wind totem
Ok lets say we live in a world where the loot pool doesnt reset. You go into pit of saron you roll 6 times and on your 6th you get the ring.
You got all the items from there and now you can roll again
what sthe point?
how is it different?
wind totem
You are saying: that instead of bonus rolls removing the item, we should just ru...
no thats not what im saying
marsh fjord
The point of bonus rolls is to make you play longer. if getting a item from the loot pool removes the item, then bonus rolls would not have any point to them.
wind totem
Im saying that looting the item on myth track should remove it from the bonus roll pool
So if i got the gaze trinket from vault
I can go bonus roll chiamerus
and get the belt
instead of getting another trinket
for example
balmy condor
you mean if replacing another myth dagger right?
yes
still nymph
it definitely devalues the bonus roll on bosses/dungeons you already got loot naturally
golden loom
Im saying that looting the item on myth track should remove it from the bonus ro...
Sounds like that would make some degen loot funnel strats for raid items
"gimme all the other items so I can also bonus roll gaze this week"
wind totem
Sounds like that would make some degen loot funnel strats for raid items
I mean atl east the dogshit loot that no one wants will have some usage
but i see your point
still nymph
yeah i see both sides. it doesnt feel good to double roll an item but having them removed would enable degen strats
still nymph
we have to minimize the risk
analog field
It is very deterministic to have it like this
marsh fjord
Before TWW the patches were not this bad.
analog field
in 3 weeks we will all be max items
golden loom
Before TWW the patches were not this bad.
Bro they break classic every time they patch any of those versions
analog field
You can hold your vault until you use your rolls though
still nymph
Before TWW the patches were not this bad.
thats what a shorter patch cadance does for you
marsh fjord
thats what a shorter patch cadance does for you
yeah
wind totem
You can hold your vault until you use your rolls though
Thats assuming the vault items are from the same dungeon.
Otherwise it makes no difference
golden loom
I think patching games just break stuff cause its all coded 20 years ago -> look at league/wow/runescape/whatever else, shit usually breaks every patch 
still nymph
lets see it like that: they are bonus rolls. without them we wouldnt even have the opportunity for double item rolls :D
golden loom
Like tbc classic now had mobs have no armor so for a week melee dps was thanos on cocaine until people figure out wait hey this game is broken!
analog field
Thats assuming the vault items are from the same dungeon.
But you would break it, let's say you wanted pit of saron but you end up with loot from AA now bonus rolling on AA for box becomes way better
And I don't think this is a good thing
marsh fjord
Like tbc classic now had mobs have no armor so for a week melee dps was thanos o...
was good for my protection warrior i could finally hold aggro
wind totem
lets see it like that: they are *bonus* rolls. without them we wouldnt even have...
doesnt mean they cant make them good. You dont have to be satisfied that blizzard are throwing you a bone with no meat on it just because its better tha nnothing.
wind totem
And I don't think this is a good thing
thats where we disagree. I think thats a good thing.
analog field
No we want the system to be easy for people to play
analog field
not be in a state for full tc
wind totem
Thats exactly what im suggesting.
being free to pick an item and removing it form the bonus loot pool
enables people not to worry about
still nymph
doesnt mean they cant make them good. You dont have to be satisfied that blizzar...
that is correct but the other version would enable loot distribution (at least in raid) that is really unfun and would piss off a lot of people
wind totem
being fucked
analog field
No because then people have to check which item is from which dungeon
wind totem
by getting it again
analog field
and then theorycraft where to spend rolls
wind totem
that is correct but the other version would enable loot distribution (at least i...
Im aware. We discussed thsi already. Hence why I suggested they can only do it for m+
analog field
You would have 10 yt videos analysing the whole concept for 0.1 gain
wind totem
with the current system you will have to do analysis to see what fucks you the least
if you get dupes
wind totem
instead you can pick the strongest item and go bonus roll whats left
analog field
for rogue
analog field
and most people just go raid
analog field
All classes have good dungeons
or most of them at least
the point is to have bad luck protection
not to get full myth week 5 of the patch
golden loom
AA is lowkey insane for havoc dh, ring is bis, box is bis, theres a warglaive and cata pieces
still nymph
I think both of you have valid points but want different things from the system
analog field
The point is what is good for the game, not what I want
I don't want bonus rolls at all if you ask me
But having people calculate which vault item to take or not take is insane
normal mist
Isn't that what we do every week?
rugged basalt
I see your initial point about raid drops, but I see it being a route to funnel which I think lizard wouldn’t want to inadvertently encourage, which you also agreed with. I don’t know what the current topic surrounding m+ is
analog field
I am saying that if I end up with 2 items from AA cause I am lucky and now I can have puzzlebox 100% because I have the other items, is not good for the game
wide halo
Hello I'd like to know if seal fate can generate 4+ CP providing it crits on 3+ targets, i feel like im only getting 2 or 3 CP each cast
high dust
am i the only one that doesnt hear stealth's sound right now?
golden loom
Hello I'd like to know if seal fate can generate 4+ CP providing it crits on 3+ ...
That is how you get more than 1 combo point with fan of knives yeah
radiant aspen
ok i can calm down now
golden loom
Its baseline 1 combo point + 1 for each crit (+1 deal fate if you crit any target)
warped moon
ok i can calm down now
oh wow thats pretty
subtle dock
i think its good for the game. is it the best system? probably not.
but is a catchup system in future weeks, it is a myth track source for non raiders and it is bad luck protection all in one
still nymph
ok i can calm down now
wait did they improve the drop rates or did you literally farm that for the last 15 hours?
radiant aspen
wait did they improve the drop rates or did you literally farm that for the last...
i did t5 ritual sites with 4 challange
spammed shit out of it for like 2 hr
gives 92 - 94 new currency
got like 400 of it
and spammed chests
rugged basalt
I am saying that if I end up with 2 items from AA cause I am lucky and now I can...
I think for regular hero track drops it’s not a good idea, but I think there is merit in decreasing loot distribution for bonus loot in dungeons from prior GV picks related to that dungeon, since it cannot be abused
radiant aspen
xD
still nymph
spammed shit out of it for like 2 hr
thats actually not too bad, did you get other sets too? The chests drop random class sets, right?
frigid cedar
how do you upgrade wep with the new system, i arleady have nascent nilhammer empowered thingy
rugged basalt
4 week quest line
balmy condor
how do you upgrade wep with the new system, i arleady have nascent nilhammer emp...
you wait 4 weeks
radiant aspen
thats actually not too bad, did you get other sets too? The chests drop random c...
yeah some of them
onyx veldt
is there new mecha on mythic chimaerus?
frigid cedar
ah really, i missed that part, thanks for heads up
onyx veldt
or same as heroic
rugged basalt
Did you guys get your pvp 6 week quest line neck piece 
rugged basalt
is there new mecha on mythic chimaerus?
Realm swap and social distancing mechs
radiant aspen
when i got voidfang pice from chest i moved to other
spice surge
And more importantly the fear casts are 1 seconds long instead of like 5
high dust
yeh
rugged basalt
So you ignore essence or whatever the other interruptible skill is and heavy prio kicking fears
onyx veldt
welp
still nymph
8s kidney shot has also big value on those adds
rugged basalt
I save vanish for intermish lol
still nymph
numing poison if you dont have a warlock in your phase too, especially with shiv
zinc frost
How is someone able to get 177k on heroic crown, am I missing something...
balmy condor
How is someone able to get 177k on heroic crown, am I missing something...
giga p1 pad
rugged basalt
I’m sorry how
warm vortex
You can do a lot more damage in P1 than anywhere else in the fight
balmy condor
you just deal giga fuck dam in p1
fallen charm
Everytime an add die near a big add it takes extra dmg
warm vortex
frigid cedar
the correct spec
zinc frost
177k just seems wild for assa
rugged basalt
Showing me a sub rogue p1 pad
onyx veldt
yeah i lowkey dont wanna pug that raid on mythic
balmy condor
177k just seems wild for assa
rugged basalt
Showing me a sub rogue p1 pad
Shown by a hunter in same channel