hazy sundial
I know this gets asked once a week but im just being hopeful
#assassination
balmy condor
it was one of the main ways that raid weakauras used to transfer information around
vital flicker
Tbf I never see IB doing much damage in high target cap pulls (in practice) like the first one of AA, and there it only did 2.7% for the SD guy, so Canny strikes is probably pretty competitive on a pull like that
balmy condor
yeh I mean it's still worse though, 2.7% when canny gives 2%
it's not like you're needing any of the resources from the crits
pretty close to as raw of a 2% gain as you can get
balmy condor
I'm comparing tick damage and like, the math adds up
it's 10% more for the sd guy per tick
roughly
vital flicker
15 targets hits FoK gets 1 cp
balmy condor
I can't find anything here
dtb guy ain't spreadin but the damage per tick is the same, it's just not getting super degened idk
back to work with my ass
shareholders need their value
vital flicker
Realistically you are probably robbing yourself of funnel damage on the big flowers by taking SD
Kinda griefing yourself at that point
balmy condor
yeh I mean there's plenty of esoteric reasons why SD is bad
spice surge
If only SD worked with singular focus so i could snipe all the funnel before everybody else
balmy condor
or if it worked with crit
vital flicker
Which is why despite loving SD and playing it in keys I probably shouldn't, I don't reccomend it. Unless you are a random korean player progging lightblinded vanguard
balmy condor
it's just a lot of wasted damage
spice surge
or if it worked with crit
Ye it not working with crit really sucks.
balmy condor
I'm a fan of bleed/dot builds, bleed in s3 was cool even if it did awful st
but I'm a bigger fan of good builds than I am of thematic builds
vital flicker
but I'm a bigger fan of good builds than I am of thematic builds
It is just really hard to argue with the numbers, especially the numbers that matter for timing keys
balmy condor
one of my biggest issues with deathstalker lowkey is that it's big envenom, when fatebound is also big envenom
one of them should've been a bleed hero talent
spice surge
We need a tierset or something that makes KB into a bleed so we can truly demisemaxx
vital flicker
My biggest problem with deathstalker is that fatebound still has more bleed damage despite what you would think
high dust
one of them should've been a bleed hero talent
Fatebound feels more outlaw than assa, so it's weird
balmy condor
yeah I mean deathstalker imo feels more like sub than assa
vital flicker
Also clear the witnesses not working for CT makes it feel so bad to press since FoK does so much damage for near half the cost
balmy condor
but deathstalker was an opportunity to make a rupture hero talent
and they just
didn't
balmy condor
yeah surely they knew that when they designed deathstalker and simply avoided it
blizzard is just two steps ahead
"man I'd love to design a rupture based hero talent, but I know in 2 years time sub won't have rupture, what a shame"
haughty flicker
high dust
"time to copy what fb did"
balmy condor
could've been a dot instead of a mark
deathstalker's curse
what do I know
I'm not creative like blizzard
high dust
So...deathmark 2.0
balmy condor
rupture 2.0 I guess
high dust
Deathmark makes double rupture
Deathstalker's curse??? TRIPLE RUPTURE
loud light
isn't half the problem that they have to find something that works with sub too
"works"
balmy condor
not really
vital flicker
But what if they just made deathstalker unviable for sin rogue so they would stop complaining about swapping mark
Oh wait
balmy condor
you can just slap it on the shadow clones and call it a day
"your shadow clone attacks now apply"
"your shadow clones copy"
they made sub an empty canvas
balmy condor
can you really can just slap anything on there and call it a shadow clone effect
high dust
Shadow clone might as well make you a cup of coffe
balmy condor
unironically less cringe than the mark
viscid spear
!up
prisma monolithBOT
spice surge
Most of the issue i had with rupture on sub was spreading it and pressing it more than assa
Felt strange
Nightblade being locked to a singletarget doesnt feel nearly as bad imo, but 
gray raven
Our hero trees are so lackluster, they need to cook with some compelling gameplay for each that are both worth playing. Everyone playing one is such bad design
high dust
if only it was the hero trees...
balmy condor
idk if the hero talents need more gameplay
shell crater
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.
Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
balmy condor
assa has enough gameplay as is
balmy condor
assa's problem is that the gameplay isn't rewarding enough
sub's problem is that the gameplay is deep only because there's endless jank
vital flicker
Deathstalkers mark is too much flavour, I just want to be able to swap it without giving up my left nut
high dust
sub's problem is that the gameplay is deep only because there's endless jank
playing sub this season for a while felt like I was just spamming buttons not knowing where my dmg came from
gray raven
I liked the idea of one tree being more bleed focused.
balmy condor
I don't have a problem knowing where my damage comes from, but all the things I'm thinking about on sub are "oh that's a bug I need to abuse" or "oh right, the apex is really whacky, I gotta do some weird shit to play around that"
the thinking part is tacked on via jank
not because the spec itself has something to think about
stiff fern
As is tradition
balmy condor
assa on the other hand is like
there's things to think about
and they don't fucking matter
the interplay between CT and fok and when to use one vs the other
genuinely an interesting thing they could do
they didn't though
high dust
and with that bug
balmy condor
or implacable, great idea, pooling as a staple, that's even their stated goal, managing resources
the puzzle piece is there
high dust
with CT reapplying ...whatever its called
balmy condor
but it's so pitifully rewarding
high dust
i feel like spamming CT feels better still
balmy condor
that it just kinda falls flat
assa has all the pieces for interesting gameplay, but they're not expanded on
spice surge
I don't have a problem knowing where my damage comes from, but all the things I'...
Me when i spec out of a dps talent because its a DPS loss to even take it compared to having literally nothing
vital flicker
The way they have FoK and CT now just feels like I have 2 keybinds that do practically the same thing
spice surge
Phenomenal design
balmy condor
sub has a blank slate of things to expand on at some point later, but the depth is held together with duct tape
stiff fern
I do think it's kinda weird CT does a bunch of damage
I had assumed the intent was for CT to be entirely intended to spread bleeds
When they made the change from what it used to be
gray raven
I think it’s benefiting from mastery
balmy condor
it's doing a lot of shit
it's tuned really high, it's affected by mastery and related "bleed%" increases
it's spreading internal bleeding for god knows what fucking reason
stiff fern
In my mind optimal play would involve pressing CT as little as possible.
As fok should be whats more powerful
spice surge
it's spreading internal bleeding for god knows what fucking reason
Tbh i feel like it should do that
gray raven
If you look at wowtoxic’s parses they are more CT casts than FOK. So you’re spamming it in aoe when you have the energy
balmy condor
In my mind optimal play would involve pressing CT as little as possible.
in my mind CT is there to enable the effects, and the effects themselves are the driving force of why you would press it
venomous wounds, scent of blood
spice surge
Would much rather it spread internal bleeding as a way to make it more powerful rather than the hits just doing more damage
balmy condor
etc etc
stiff fern
Right right, ageee
vital flicker
If CT didn't do damage it would feel so bad. CT just feels like it doesn't spread bleeds fast enough for how expensive it is, i wish it doubled everytime instead of just hitting 2
stiff fern
Ehh, it's power comes from one global spreading bleeds
balmy condor
if they cut the damage out and made it spread to 3 I think it would be fair
stiff fern
It needs to do some damage but it shouldn't ever compete with fok for damage
balmy condor
but like, if it spread to 5 or something
then it's just ct once every 30 seconds
might as well just go back to the days of IC as a button
and make it a cd
high dust
and make it a cd
please dont
stiff fern
That came outa nowhere lol
high dust
Lit.
stiff fern
I will say that sudden demise build im enjoying thoroughly as I gear up
high dust
sudden demise should be baseline. i said it.
stiff fern
Having blindside in a keys build feels awesome
shell crater
Is anyone else having consistency issues?
Currently pulling salhadaar getting sub 25%, some pulls im pumping others im literally low blue lol
high dust
Having blindside in a keys build feels awesome
blindside is the reason im enjoying chim's build on open world
midnight mist
wow is an rng game
balmy condor
salhadaar is very reliant on your tanks having the orbs close enough as well
but yeh, there is a lot of rng
stiff fern
Ambush op
balmy condor
if your tanks get skittish and decide they're gonna drag the boss away on an orb spawn
gg
there goes your damage
verbal sable
I got parry twice in opener on paladin kill today, it was nuts
midnight mist
parry has been great this season
balmy condor
i do less damage every week
yeah but that's just cause you're washed surely
midnight mist
with that dragon boss always facing you
midnight mist
yeah but that's just cause you're washed surely
ye prolly
balmy condor
you should take some lessons from that tomelvis guy, he seems really good at outlaw
vital flicker
I tried to talk to a tank about parry and they tried to tell me it doesn't matter for dps
midnight mist
will ask him
waxen oyster
he needs lessons from tompelvis
verbal sable
I giga blasted that pull but i lost so much in opener
vital flicker
i do less damage every week
Its actually a secret outlaw nerf each week, so that it only feels like a buff next week when in reality you are getting kept in the same spot
verbal sable
Btw I was wondering how we play second pot on paladins once the kill timer get lower
midnight mist
Its actually a secret outlaw nerf each week, so that it only feels like a buff n...
true i forgot we also got a 4% buff
balmy condor
carefully
midnight mist
in between these logs
desert salmon
It is hard to get higher logs every week
high dust
in between the eyes and the logs
cyan bane
is dslice good for assass sims?
desert salmon
mobs melting so quickly
balmy condor
is dslice good for assass sims?
yes
verbal sable
How do you parse on chim when you are second group
balmy condor
you don't
waxen oyster
you go in first group
vital flicker
How do you parse on chim when you are second group
Just go down for both and cloak for the second soak, its totally ethical
verbal sable
I was thinking going down with first group after intermission by accident
verbal sable
Ye
waxen oyster
as long as you dont int severely
calm grail
Golem boss in skyreach
silk whale
so Is using a envenom aura cancel macro a good thing for Impacable or nah?
balmy condor
no
balmy condor
if you dip out it insta ticks the boss
waxen oyster
only with elusivenes
calm grail
If not, just vial/cloak if needed and let the healer take the wheel?
balmy condor
yeh need elus
vital flicker
Or just pray and heal?
Just say "I'm dead!" And usually your healer will throw everything at you
balmy condor
but you always should take elus
waxen oyster
Just say "I'm dead!" And usually your healer will throw everything at you
works every time
high dust
works every time
ssshhh dont let them know our secrets.
its like the healer takes it personal
waxen oyster
yeah healer mains are divas
when you tell them to do the job they signed up for
they complain
high dust
but if u tell them they're doing a bad job...pf, prepare for trouble
vital flicker
Whenever I die I just say "one heal????" In case they forgot to give me a heal y'know? Just trying to be helpful
primal parrot
waxen oyster
i just spam ping
earnest remnant
parry has been great this season
play trickster 
next dust
But not this day
onyx veldt
how do u guys maintain alts?
calm grail
Don't
high dust
We dont.
calm grail
Don't want people thinking you're a nerd or something.
onyx veldt
i meant if u have a 2nd chara
high dust
Having a job makes the alt thing just a dream
earnest remnant
play in a guild that requires alt
high dust
tho its supposed to be easier this season
earnest remnant
or have friends that do like 10 alt raids for fun each week
calm grail
I feel like playing a character well takes enough time that I'd rather not play WoW during the other free time I have.
onyx veldt
ill stick to my rogue
earnest remnant
think we have like 6-9 runs a week that do 4/6 voidspire mythic as well
rancid crypt
do we use ambush, like at all? or can i remove it from my bars?
waxen oyster
Don't want people thinking you're a nerd or something.
playing wow kind of is already
cooked
onyx veldt
playing wow kind of is already
arctic crown
quick question
ui can skip last two on magister terrace?
the voidlods
voidlords
worldly sail
not with shroud, but with warlock gate yes
meager latch
if you dont mythic raid really and only do keys what dung should be focus on to spend the extra rolls i was thinking AA for box but the rest just be in pit for weapons, neckless, ring, and belt.
balmy condor
Pretty much
Realistically you should bonus roll pit first and just live with a hero box
And then box at the end
You’re basically guaranteed to get something usable from pit
indigo mulch
Out of curiosity isen't sub and outlaw getting those buffs to trickster going to pull ahead quite hard compared to sin?
shell crater
And thats myth Salhadaar down! although I have a question peeps. Got collared by my officers for not doing enough add damage. (I was doing 95% boss damage when apparently clear people are doing 80-85% boss damage), im making a point to spread my bleeds to the big orbs, should I spread to the small ones as well maybe?
Seems very energy heavy
meager latch
okay thank you!! @balmy condor
shell crater
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4AwvaPy1jF3BZCDk?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2 If someone wouldn't mind 🙂
balmy condor
And thats myth Salhadaar down! although I have a question peeps. Got collared by...
Yes
limber glen
Out of curiosity isen't sub and outlaw getting those buffs to trickster going to...
i litrerally asked this myself 5 min ago lol
balmy condor
You CT until they all have that
shell crater
You CT until they all have that
Ah gotcha, but then I assume I need to wait till they're in range and not manually apply and spread?
warped moon
when you guys do big pulls in first person mode how do you find the mobs
balmy condor
Ah gotcha, but then I assume I need to wait till they're in range and not manual...
They group up naturally cause they respawn from the dead orbs
warped moon
i play undead aand i have to look up at everything please help
balmy condor
And the dead orbs are generally clumped already
shell crater
And I assume cos I have more bleeds that'll help with my energy issues?
misty holly
How do you parse on chim when you are second group
I've always done second group and felt like cooldowns lined up reasonably well. Are you using cooldowns during add phase if you are group 1 to get cleave damage?
I sent them all on boss, as group 2.
glad ferry
i litrerally asked this myself 5 min ago lol
hope so, all my shit optimized for sub
gloomy silo
Subtlety got a huge buff in the .5 patch... Assassination’s damage is basically unchanged, right?
balmy condor
Correct
vital flicker
Well we actually got a very amazing, totally overpowered, and unbelievably broken talent that swaps deathmark if you put it on a target that dies too fast (that will definitely always be taken because why wouldn't I want to waste a talent point on that)
coral ibex
that buff isnt going to do anything about the fact that sub's gameplay is literally a pile of shit
wow very black powder
i love spamming 2 buttons
lime onyx
We spam 2 buttons too when we’re not putting up our bleeds
Coming from someone who loves sin and sub gameplay
coral ibex
yes and sub has nothing else whereas assa has bleed upkeep
lime onyx
It’s got its own mini games. Minmaxing gcd’s into shadow dance timers, linjng up your ST with add spawns, etc
Might not be as enjoyable to you but at least it has some type of depth
coral ibex
there is no dance minigame, you either have haste enough to get +1 gcd or you don't
lime onyx
if you press buttons perfectly which can be difficult with boss movement and real world stuff
coral ibex
i just think sub got significantly less fun tww -> midnight in a way that assa did not
limber granite
Subtlety got a huge buff in the .5 patch... Assassination’s damage is basically ...
outlaw got buff too but idk how much they gain
unreal junco
ok because someone is swearing it existed last xpac: did tricks have a damage amp at any point in the last couple of xpacs?
unreal junco
thank you
cunning needle
last classic expac of cata 
unreal junco
no theyre just notoriously wrong about a lot of things, but too stubborn to admit theyre wrong.
unreal junco
theyre a ret main
balmy condor
oh even better
cunning needle
balmy condor
those guys thrive on that
hollow river
ok because someone is swearing it existed last xpac: did tricks have a damage am...
only in pvp
hollow river
theres a pvp talent iirc
unreal junco
there is another spell id of tricks on wowhead
which is weird since its got patch notes from the start of last xpac
hollow river
That one even says pvp talent on the tooltip
But that isn’t how the pvp talent works either
So who knows
elder grove
Is anyone down to help me with a quick log review? I just killed vora mythic and my damage was garbage
coral ibex
did you get a fixate or go to hit the adds
thats basically the only thing that can happen to affect your uptime
coral ibex
you have to save your vanish for fixates
elder grove
oh for real? ROFL okay sick
coral ibex
yea if you get fixated, vanish after
elder grove
k
coral ibex
breaks it
elder grove
it was like a 24 parse but I spent a lot of time running for adds
feelsbadman
good to know!
❤️
unreal junco
ok round 2: do rogues bring a damage buff?
balmy condor
no
coral ibex
no
rotund oak
plain thistle
that sometimes doesnt work 100%
astral meteor
Is my builder supposed to be fan of knives of crimson tempest? I'v ebeen using FoK as the builder and using crimson when I need to spread bleeds, but someone was telling me I should always use Crimson?
astral meteor
ty
potent jetty
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
jolly stirrup
So we start prog on dragons today, do we try maintain bleeds on both dragons? Or do we keep it like in HC and stay on one?
light quarry
u reach both so keep bleeds on both
chilly spoke
In M+, is it okay to use Envenom with 4 combo points to cycle the damage passive more quickly? Both for single target and AoE? What’s the minimum combo points to use Envenom otherwise?
buoyant herald
No, always 5+ for the coins
light quarry
rugged basalt
Rule of thumb for env is always 5+
chilly spoke
ok thk guys
rugged basalt
<a:ratJam:1035463470826651718>
rugged basalt
I’m sorry
normal mist
First raid night, padding wasn't possible, I went full st most bosses with spatter
Cosmos 18% bp
normal mist
Fair
normal mist
For that I need to ask the 2mm hunters and the elemental shaman to stop padding aswel
I don't think they will
Anyway it was my first time killing the bosses, average 60+ not bad
(I tell to myself, ashamed)
rugged basalt
First raid night, padding wasn't possible, I went full st most bosses with spatt...
The p in parse stands for pad
I had an 86 on a 10% wipe and then proceeded to serve a steaming warm load of a 10ish parse on a kill and you know what I’m happier than patrick star celebrating a 3 point because life is more than getting 4 plate loot
vital flicker
The p in parse stands for pad
Pad Arse?
balmy condor
it's like pad thai yeah
strange onyx
Could go for a good pad Thai
rugged basalt
Pad all regardless, singletarget everything
I’m craving Vietnamese coffee and pho..
strange onyx
How’s Alleria going @balmy condor
trim cairn
padding is always possible
God knows this is true
If you could place down the turnip dummy to pad your parse I am sure it would be rampant
rugged basalt
The training dummies in maisara
brave gyro
The training dummies in maisara <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
It's funnel, not pad. Ethical use of resources 
crude granite
since u always use deathmark w/ kingsbane when its up, is it good dto macro deathmark with cast kingsbane? does that work?
balmy condor
they're both on the gcd
dire flume
cast sequence macro would do it
rugged basalt
But at that point why bother
warm vortex
They need to move crimson vial off the GCD
Free drinks
vital flicker
They need to move crimson vial off the GCD
Free drinks
yeah so I can go sudden demise to Crimson Vial-max whenever I snipe a killing blow starting in 12.0.5
bind that shit to scroll wheel
warm vortex
Insane mega tech
vital flicker
Insane mega tech
drink up me hearties 
quiet star
so for lethal poisons we use always AMP and Deadly right?
and also about fatebound - there is nothing to actually track(and play based on that) and it's fully rng spec?
spice surge
It's not nearly as rng as you might expect from something flipping a coin
But yes it's passive
sharp viper
coins - flipping
daggers - stabbin
brain - smooth
balmy condor
more than can be said about most
balmy condor
rugged basalt
strange onyx
Just read his guide on YouTube. You can turn on captions and turn off sound
That’s what I do
rugged basalt
He has videos about the guide?
Doesn’t he only talk about blue notes
I play the videos for viewer retention stats
strange onyx
He had a guide at some point
rugged basalt
Guide videos would be great
trim cairn
But yes it's passive
There is never a gain to hold finishers slightly longer on high heads count or something?
rugged basalt
Also also also
Nooka’s implacable tracker is great!
We finally have a working solution for apex talent tracking
Looks vibe coded and barebones though I might modify it
But it works
paper ether
how often are you supposed to use ambush? i havent put it on my bars
vital flicker
I copy your talents from your logs
I tried that, and now I am a sub rogue
rugged basalt
I tried that, and now I am a sub rogue
“Wow he did really well on this boss”
Looks closer
Sub rogue
I be ambushing hella with blindside talent
Otherwise my mut key is ambush in stealth
vital flicker
how often are you supposed to use ambush? i havent put it on my bars
you can probably safely keep it off your bars unless you are looking to fill space
tawny rapids
Hey guys, for anyone that has killled crown mythic. Does pre cloak or pre evasion work on immunity for the the breaks p3. I know bubble and stuff works but seeing does it also benifit if I try present some
subtle tundra
it doesnt matter cause you dont have a taunt and you cant make it go on you guaranteed
so youll just waste your cloak almost every time
tawny rapids
But as it’s physical shouldn’t evasion work and I don’t need it anywhere else ?
vague sun
While I don't know if it works for that specific mechanic: Generally Evasion does not make you immune to physical effects, it just makes you dodge them. You cannot for example dodge cheapshot, blind or stormbolt even though it is a targeted, physical effect
frosty cedar
Hey guys, for anyone that has killled crown mythic. Does pre cloak or pre evasio...
Neither of them work, you need a physical immunity
Afaik only meta, bop and bubble works
brazen maple
Trying to watch some high keys on YouTube or a vod. Who should I watch? ❤️
quiet star
Is it make sense to craft myth weapon on newly created rogue now? I guess from next week we can update any hero weapon?
iron thorn
Better even, you can bonus roll on any +10 that drops a dagger and just be lucky
(bonusroll on a +10 gives you a myth track item)
quiet star
so no reason to craft, got it
also bonus roll is rng af
so not clear how many rolls we will have
but spamming pit of saron is op I guess
quiet star
You’ll have 2 bonusrolls every week
so POT in first day actually can give u 2 bis loot
omg
iron thorn
Play the key with smallest drop pool of which you could use all
Then get lucky
And it has bad luck protection too because it takes the items you rolled into already out of the bonusroll drop pool
quiet star
And it has bad luck protection too because it takes the items you rolled into al...
yep that's great
iron thorn
Probably the best update to gearing they made recently
balmy condor
(It’s gonna be pit, just run pit)
iron thorn
I’ll have to hold my roll tho I think. My RL said he wants us to use it on chimaerus
quiet star
Probably the best update to gearing they made recently
ye, especially after bug with drop
iron thorn
Because gaze is just tooooo good
quiet star
where you locked in one loot
iron thorn
I don’t believe that’s fixed lol
Geared my Aug over the weekend
Like 14x
Dropped 3x neck, 4x cloak
Got traded the ring and pants
No helm to be seen yet
tawny rapids
Trying to watch some high keys on YouTube or a vod. Who should I watch? ❤️
right now, you can wat h Wox, Zero or casual
iron thorn
Konaz also plays assa
balmy condor
I’ll have to hold my roll tho I think. My RL said he wants us to use it on chima...
Your bonus rolls are assigned?
That’s fucking mental
tawny rapids
right now, you can wat h Wox, Zero or casual
Woxtoxic, zerocoolpro, casualaddict6007
iron thorn
Your bonus rolls are assigned?
Funniest thing is: WE HAVENT EVEN KILLED CHIM YET
iron thorn
I lost faith in our LC after someone who didn’t put up a sim in audit got our first hc gaze for just writing BiS in the manual edit
brave gyro
I'm sorry to hear that
Tbf, I've pug killed Chim every week and have lost every roll, so even if you kill it, it's unknown if it will drop
But hopefully you guys get it at least once for vault chance
vast shuttle
Better even, you can bonus roll on any +10 that drops a dagger and just be lucky
Its in patchnotes?
spare kayak
I lost faith in our LC after someone who didn’t put up a sim in audit got our fi...
Weird question, but what defines Bis? Like is it the item itself or the item + ilevel, because to me there isn't a heroic item that's bis
If it has a mythic version ofc
iron thorn
We handle it the way that clicking BiS means you won’t unequip this item unless you get it on the higher track
Which for gaze is very realistic
spare kayak
That's one of the easy mythic trinkets
warm vortex
Your bonus rolls are assigned?
Oh gawd
iron thorn
That's one of the easy mythic trinkets
That depends on your guild, as I said, we haven’t killed it yet
spare kayak
Cause in my guild bis is only mythic items and everything before that is big/small upgrade kek to the w
balmy condor
1/4 chance on bonusroll sounds good
Yeh but 1/4 on gaze isn’t really all that impressive cause a hero track gaze is actually really comparable to a myth gaze
Like I have a myth gaze and it’s not efficient for me to put crests into
runic hinge
You can myth gaze my balls
golden loom
I use the bis button as a big upgrade equivalent
iron thorn
Yeh but 1/4 on gaze isn’t really all that impressive cause a hero track gaze is ...
Completely agree
balmy condor
You can myth gaze my balls
balmy condor
Best money someone else spent on my behalf
regal sable
did your rl assign those for u as well?
iron thorn
strange onyx
If I could I would bonus roll this chat
regal sable
you want more of it?
little tulip
yeah i got a roll on it
iron thorn
Walking home from the train station rn and people must think I’m weird because I laughed out so loud at that comment
So yes, I’d bonusroll here too
regal sable
strange onyx
you want more of it?
No, something better
strange onyx
Walking home from the train station rn and people must think I’m weird because I...
No way you laughed my comment
strange onyx
No worries, thought the curse might have been lifted
balmy condor
I laughed at your comment skoop
rugged basalt
I think I laughed at your comment
strange onyx
Thank you
That means the cursed is lifted and I can go back to the paladin discord and be a mod again
rugged basalt
It’s open?
agile geode
sub and outlaw trickster changes seems quite strong, assa will drop a bit next week ?
normal mist
I'll pick it up again if it drops
strange onyx
Sorry skoop
Spreading your great ideas to my own guild
real pike
sub and outlaw trickster changes seems quite strong, assa will drop a bit next w...
Yes we're absolute trash and definitely not worth playing in any circumstance make sure u tell all your friends this too
agile geode
Yes we're absolute trash and definitely not worth playing in any circumstance ma...
sure i'll do
that was the point of my questioning
unless unnecessary salt, my doubts were about, 10% on outlaw and 6% on sub means sin will fall off a bit in raid (not doomed), maybe a tiny buff is coming for sin boys?
iron thorn
Spreading your great ideas to my own guild
Glad you got a laugh out of it
Surely we just kill Chim tonight, drop a gaze and I’ll get it
golden loom
unless unnecessary salt, my doubts were about, 10% on outlaw and 6% on sub means...
sin still does boss damage
nothing changes
strange onyx
unless unnecessary salt, my doubts were about, 10% on outlaw and 6% on sub means...
I will now play outlaw on all bosses
And look for a new guild. If anyone is recruiting a well seasoned melee player who is a master of the yap hit me up. Pref 2 day guild and good vibes
agile geode
Sorry guys, il will not def talking about spec paragons anymore
spare kayak
Yes we're absolute trash and definitely not worth playing in any circumstance ma...
I knew it. Rerolling tonight.
flint marsh
yo there’s no snapshotting weirdness on damage amp bosses in m+ is there? like you just put your stuff on them just before the amp and all good?
golden loom
main problem with outlaw ever being good is the lack of a mainhand
strange onyx
How is your German?
Gut
spice surge
yo there’s no snapshotting weirdness on damage amp bosses in m+ is there? like y...
Correct, there's none of that
chilly spoke
In Nexus-Point Xenas, can a rogue disarm traps?
flint marsh
Correct, there's none of that
ty, do you know if the amp is shorter than kingsbane duration if its better to have the end of kingsbane in it or the apex hits
brazen falcon
Idk if bw/dbm auto do it like streets rp npc but its quick
knotty pumice
Hello, what is the crit cap on assa ? with 43% (1300 flat) i've the feeling i need more
real pike
is it really worth spending like 80 hero crests just to save 20 mythic
harsh ravine
assa from next week gonna be completly outclassed by outlaw, right ?
real pike
but what do you mean by that
so I have a 1/6 mythic item in the vault, and my current item in that slot is 2/6 hero, do I take it to 6/6 hero just to save on that first mythic track upgrade
graceful solstice
It should only cost you 20 hero though. Because the myth piece lets you upgrade to 5/6
subtle tundra
so I have a 1/6 mythic item in the vault, and my current item in that slot is 2/...
you take the 1/6 myth
and you spend 20 hero crests
harsh ravine
assa is completely dead on reset
fml
shell crater
Is anybody willing to watch my saladbar kill for any gameplay issues? I still feel energy starved at times
real pike
Is anybody willing to watch my saladbar kill for any gameplay issues? I still fe...
!energy
!design
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Without the Apex talent there is no reason to pool, once midnight drops this will update with whatever logic is found
real pike
!apex
prisma monolithBOT
Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.
Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.
real pike
nah apex is not what I was hoping for
graceful solstice
!haste
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.
Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
graceful solstice
Damn
shell crater
!apex
Yea I’m just on the line of idk whether I’m not letting it drop enough but then I feel like I’m being too conservative and now I feel like I’m in some kind of no man’s land
So I figured for that issue a vid would be better than logs to get help with
subtle tundra
https://youtu.be/aeJ5TfTu1QM?si=lf85cAXAkzOkDn_f 🙂
at ~0:50 you could've held off your envenom to drop the buff but you didnt
it lined up perfectly with your rupture refresh
real pike
if you are at 80 implacable stacks and you won't cap energy, let the envenom buff drop
shell crater
if you are at 80 implacable stacks and you won't cap energy, let the envenom buf...
Right - what about teas? Do I wanna full send until they’re gonna and then conserve?
shell crater
at ~0:50 you could've held off your envenom to drop the buff but you didnt
Ooo I’ll look
real pike
yeah just let teas happen, I guess the 'best' time to use them is if you're somehow at the start of kingsbane and envenom has dropped or is about to and you're low on energy
marsh fjord
yo goats
shell crater
Like don’t get me wrong I’m not pushing the button
But I meant like full sending my abilities so they auto proc to get them on cd
brave gyro
I think you were perfect (I'm at work and can't watch the video)
real pike
personally I intentionally spam envenom from pull until the first one is used because yanno there's no point sitting there on 3 stacks not using the cooldown
subtle tundra
yes thats correct you full send abilities
real pike
and if I'm about to cap I'll spam
shell crater
Right
real pike
other good uses are spamming when adds appear if you're a parse monkey
subtle tundra
maybe theres some optimization to use on in the opener
shell crater
Don’t get me wrong the parse wasn’t awful I got an 83 if memory serves me right
real pike
like CT / envenom spam on dragon adds
subtle tundra
so they start regenning
and they line up with kb
but idk
i dont play the game
im saying misinformation
real pike
Don’t get me wrong the parse wasn’t awful I got an 83 if memory serves me right
83 is fine you're playing the game correctly
shell crater
But I wanna improve on that
real pike
parsing especially in this season is about luck and abusing adds
sometimes to the detriment of the fight
and yes this is cope for my average parses
but that doesn't mean it's not true
brave gyro
Don’t get me wrong the parse wasn’t awful I got an 83 if memory serves me right
Dont entirely judge based on parse, you're competing with padders, and it will only get worse with each reset
real pike
I've been looking at boss damage more this season especially on fights we're tight to enrage
brave gyro
parsing especially in this season is about luck and abusing adds
Pad-slop is heavy this tier 
real pike
yeah it's gross
shell crater
Well I appreciate the responses 🙂
real pike
np
ok another dumb crest question
upgrading mythic track gear is more efficient crest-for-crest than crafting mythic right?
assuming replacing hero and above gear with the craft
coral ibex
no its exactly the same, 5/6 myth is 285 and thats what a crafted piece is. crafted costs 80 crests and 4 upgrades costs 80 crests
you can save 20 crests by going 6/6 hero if you can first
real pike
yeah ok sweet thank you
I have a second craft already so just gonna chill and upgrade my mythic pieces
coral ibex
yea thats what i did too
real pike
👍🏼
strange onyx
im saying misinformation
Hello
subtle tundra
ill have you skimped and stripped
real pike
ill have you skimped and stripped
Yes please
buoyant flicker
ok another dumb crest question
if u have a hero 6/6 then yes upgrading myth track is more efficient
burnt lotus
hey guys
I'm pushing 16s-18s and my boss damage just feels awful
is this just our fate?
analog field
ST is really fine
coral ibex
can't relate
analog field
not even close to tww
coral ibex
have good ST in m+
rustic cosmos
what build u using
analog field
We drop some talents yes but in 17's where you have DM on pull and DM pot in execute you do very good dmg
coral ibex
wowhead build
brave gyro
I can't get into groups that finish stuff (16+), but boss damage is not bad
On a lot of fights we pop off
What specific boss feels bad for you?
Also, to be fair, in 16 and higher, tanks should really pull in stuff for funnel
real pike
what funnel?
burnt lotus
skyreach boss1
pos boss2
MC first two bosses
All feel bad
maybe it's a skill issue but
no tanks funnel in my experience so I've given up on that
brave gyro
Skyreach boss I just sending it, not much there (shit boss) .
Pos tank really needs to always have boss on something else so you spread, and double dotting is quite nice
MC first boss similar, double dot, tank moving into bird after it's aoe circle for safe area etc.
real pike
do we have funnel in FB??
coral ibex
technically no
worn geyser
well yeah, hit fok get more combo point to envenom target
coral ibex
its just prio damage not funnel
coral ibex
well yeah, hit fok get more combo point to envenom target
you could maybe consider scent stacks as funnel but even that is like not really correct
worn geyser
i mean funnel just means ur gaining prio damage by adding more mobs right
coral ibex
damage done to other targets does not get transferred back to your main target
which is what funnel is
real pike
we had funnel in DS
brave gyro
You're just being pedantic
coral ibex
no theres a specific difference between funnel and prio
worn geyser
theres a diff, a class can have big prio damage but not gain prio with more targets right
the funnel part is that we actually gain more prio damage with more targets
via more CP, venemous wounds, scent etc
coral ibex
the only aspect of fb that gains you more prio damage with more targets is scent
brave gyro
The result is the same, you guys really argue for the sake of arguing xD
coral ibex
fok over mut in aoe is just acceleration
and theres a difference between acceleration and funnel
the envenoms don't do any more damage without more scent stacks
worn geyser
that definitely is pedantic, you do more dps with more targets to the prio target
= funnel
brave gyro
^
analog field
the envenoms don't do any more damage without more scent stacks
You cast more envenoms so you do more dmg
brave gyro
The point of all this was to help Mallooki with boss dmg in M+, and you argue semantics
analog field
But also it is not his fault if tanks don't pull adds
So there is nothing to fix there
brave gyro
No, you're just being petty and not actually helping anyone
analog field
We have a very good st dmg profile
coral ibex
bro you need to chill, i just like talking about the differences between words
analog field
Especially with having like 2.5-3 min boss fights
quasi ingot
coral ibex
We have a very good st dmg profile
maybe they are using SD build with no DTB or something
that probably has worse ST
worn geyser
our single target now at least isnt as bad as it was with the DS build in keys before, i dont think its great tho just kinda average
analog field
It's very rare someone surpasses us
apart from like 2 broken classes or something
I rarely do less st than others
the low cleave is where they surpass us
real pike
You're just being pedantic
I mean yeah
it's important to be pedantic when different words mean different things
otherwise we'd end up with nobody knowing what anyone was saying
lime edge
You do also have way more combo points and energy when there's mobs
burnt lotus
Sorry for a point of reference this is the build I'm running
Which is the wowhead one I think?
coral ibex
yea looks right
real pike
You do also have way more combo points and energy when there's mobs
yeah absolutely you'll do more damage to your main target when there are more mobs around
but funnel is a very specific word in WoW mechanics
coral ibex
i mean sometimes you just have bad luck and low roll crit and have to mutilate way more for cp
but our single target is way better in m+ build this season than last
real pike
i mean sometimes you just have bad luck and low roll crit and have to mutilate w...
having to fok 5 times for one envenom before blowing cooldowns in dragons/palas fight feels fucking atrocious
coral ibex
agreed
brave gyro
but funnel is a very specific word in WoW mechanics
And it's true for Assa. Because you absolutely get more damage to your main target. It's indirect funnel
real pike
that's like saying aoe is indirect st to multiple targets
brave gyro
Just becuae there is no one-to-one dmg transfer
brave gyro
that's like saying aoe is indirect st to multiple targets
It's literally not the same
real pike
the damage transfer is literally what funnel is though
lime edge
I dont think too many classes actually get a damage boost from there being mobs
real pike
nooj said it already that getting more damage indirectly from more mobs is called acceleration
lime edge
Its not every class atleast
brave gyro
Let's not pretend that if it was said "you pull more mobs to have higher energy regen, agility buff from dots, and more finishers casted" instead of funnel, you wouldve contributed to the question asked
coral ibex
Let's not pretend that if it was said "you pull more mobs to have higher energy ...
well yea if you say one thing instead of another, conversations develop differently
thats how interactions work
real pike
if I said "you pull more mobs to have more acceleration which leads to more ST damage" I would have contributed to the question and been correct at the same time
brave gyro
Ah, but becuae of your morals you ignored Mallooki's request
Out of principle
Go you
coral ibex
huh?
real pike
you need to calm down lad
coral ibex
what is bro talking about
brave gyro
It was sarcastic
wintry vapor
I am confused.
coral ibex
i appreciate that you don't think the difference between acceleration and funnel matters, but it isn't something to get upset about
i'm not trying to like
beat you down in conversation
we just disagree
worn geyser
i kinda see what yall are saying but that definition seems weird, intuitively when you think of funnel it means adding more mobs = more prio damage, and not only specifically something like singular focus
real pike
i kinda see what yall are saying but that definition seems weird, intuitively wh...
but in wow blizzard have decided that funnel does specifically mean something
it's like a keyword
worn geyser
where is it in the blizzard dictionary
real pike
for me personally, I wouldn't want to leave a conversation thinking we have a mechanic that we don't
vast shuttle
How can i see the new uptates u guys talked about? Also iam 267 ilvl need to craft legs should i save it or what someone said u shouldnt craft?
real pike
I prefer to be clear
real pike
How can i see the new uptates u guys talked about? Also iam 267 ilvl need to cra...
have you crafted anything yet? your first craft should always be a dagger
vast shuttle
have you crafted anything yet? your first craft should always be a dagger
yes have only crafted the dagger nothing else
coral ibex
craft 285 dagger asap
real pike
legs is generally avoided as a craft because it has more stats than other slots, and max level mythic gear has more stats than crafted gear
coral ibex
recraft*
real pike
but that's only if you're doing mythic content
vast shuttle
i will prob do both raids and m+ but need more gear asap but was confused on the crafting cause it was something new next patch.
cuase my legs are vetaran💀
real pike
cuase my legs are vetaran💀
run m+ for better legs
rustic cosmos
Wait for reset and vault and then craft items which boost u the most
vast shuttle
sir yes sir
trying to get thi stupid puzzblebox only played alg for 2 days about 15 runs now atleast no drop lol
rustic cosmos
I have ptsd from tww and grim batol tronket. like 100 runs and no trinket
sacred oyster
Wait for reset and vault and then craft items which boost u the most
dont craft this week, you get up to 3 mythics this week
wintry vapor
Yeah I can't be bothered with that thing, I just use the feather instead
vast shuttle
Now like 30 alg runs and no trinket
yha it sucks and my friennd comes with his alt and first try it
rustic cosmos
Also i started playing lock,mage and it is far more easier gameplay
worn geyser
I prefer to be clear
I suppose but if a tank or someone asks you 'yo do u want funnel for xyz boss' if u go uhm actually rogue doesnt have funnel its called 'acceleration 🤓 ' theyre just not gonna ask u ever again even tho it would benefit the key by giving u more boss damage
real pike
Also i started playing lock,mage and it is far more easier gameplay
easier than sin??
rustic cosmos
yha it sucks and my friennd comes with his alt and first try it
I will get it this vault, for sure
vast shuttle
I will get it this vault, for sure
hahah gl bud
rustic cosmos
easier than sin??
I mean in ranged way, i can see everything clearly
wintry vapor
I somehow doubt that lock is easier to play than assassination, but it's probably just a subjective thing
real pike
I suppose but if a tank or someone asks you 'yo do u want funnel for xyz boss' i...
yeah but I didn't do that, I asked if we have funnel as a genuine question because I'm a guide following Andy that doesn't read his abilities and talents properly. and the guy got told that yes more mobs = more damage to MT at the same time as that discussion
echo fox
guys one quick question do we still vanish pre deathmark? to use the improve garrote?
real pike
and there's a difference between asking that in a rogue discord and asking it mid dungeon
vast shuttle
guys one quick question do we still vanish pre deathmark? to use the improve gar...
yes if ur already not in stealth
real pike
guys one quick question do we still vanish pre deathmark? to use the improve gar...
in ST/raid yes, in m+ sometimes but also sometimes use it to spread imp gar on big packs
worn geyser
all good we can disagree but i appreciate the discussion, thank u
echo fox
ty folks
real pike
np
echo fox
<3
real pike
guys one quick question do we still vanish pre deathmark? to use the improve gar...
remember to press it twice within pandemic window to increase duration
sacred oyster
@echo fox the snapshot bug was fixed, you dont need to vanish unless your first imp gar has expired and wanting to refresh it mid fight
in m+ if the tank has chain pulled and your effectively in a new pack where you didnt get to re-stealth thats a time you would vanish
real pike
yup or if you're doing first pull in a higher key and the imp gar drops off everything where it still has like half health or more left
you can send it then
high dust
If I refresh midfight does It maintain that 50% dmg bonus?
high dust
Oh okok. I understood something else, reading IS hard
coral ibex
and if you pandemic imp gar with a regular gar before it expires you lose the bonus damage from the last few seconds
high dust
So...better to let It expire?
coral ibex
you have to let imp garrote expire unless you are refreshing with new imp gar by vanishing
yes
real pike
So...better to let It expire?
yeah
although you can send gar with like 1 second left and it's not gonna be a massive difference
high dust
That I didnt know, good to know
coral ibex
as soon as you pandemic it, you lose the bonus damage
real pike
for instance you'd rather refresh it early than cap energy or something
harsh ravine
lowkey outlaw will be hotfixed after the buff ? don't you think so ?
echo fox
btw may ik why people use it afterwards?
if the right thing is to use it pre
am talking about the 2nd one
harsh ravine
btw may ik why people use it afterwards?
they are stuck to the old bug with garrot snapping mastery
imo
echo fox
kk
harsh ravine
but the "right play" depends on the context, it's better to build more and spend more cp on envenoms than sending 1 gcd of garrot during cds
echo fox
but the "right play" depends on the context, it's better to build more and spend...
i mean is a full cp envenom better than a vanish + improved garrote just before deathmark?
runic hinge
@spice spire this twink is leaking DMs be careful
spice spire
harsh ravine
i mean is a full cp envenom better than a vanish + improved garrote just before ...
you do both, your deathmark last long enough to have improved garrot all the way
so you do your improved garrot, then envenom, then cds
and you cast algethar trinket before the envenom
echo fox
y i mean is kinda like tww one isnt it?
desert vault
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
ocean ore
hello friends, we are looking to upgrade main hand to 295 asap i figured?
or there is any strat?
stray fox
Given crest count I guess you could sim your options (depending on drop luck) but that’s seems best
coral ibex
main hand will always be your first upgrade
harsh ravine
y i mean is kinda like tww one isnt it?
uhh if you talk about S3 TWW I didn't play assa I don't remember
sacred oyster
is the upgraded crafted still just 1 upgrade difference vs non crafted? though im dumping my bonus rolls into pit of saron so will be super happy if i get a kricks myth
young ravine
Isnt puzzlebox giving more scale when 298?
lime edge
Im going straight to algethar for mythic puzzle
sacred oyster
hmm raidbots is gonna have to add something to test upgraded levels
lime edge
On reset
spice surge
Mainhand > Trinkets > offhand
lime edge
hmm raidbots is gonna have to add something to test upgraded levels
Its on gear compare
spice surge
You can do it in topgear too
sacred oyster
oh? is it new
spice surge
I mean you can just add a higher ilvl item
spice surge
You can add any ilvl
sacred oyster
real pike
Mainhand > Trinkets > offhand
Mainhand > Trinkets > All other slots > Ranged slot > Offhand
elder agate
btw we can only upgrade trinkets and weapon to 298 right? and about crests will be uncapped?
lime edge
It wasn't any for me
spice surge
Mainhand > Trinkets > All other slots > Ranged slot > Offhand
Well you cant upgrade anything besides weapon and trinkets with the things were talking about
lime edge
If u type 298 and click that didnt work for me
real pike
Well you cant upgrade anything besides weapon and trinkets with the things were ...
sorry
spice surge
Well you have to uncheck the "only seasonal item levels"
But presumably raidbots will add some support for the cores
Just not before it goes live
clear ingot
Hey guys, would anyone mind please checking a 16 key log for me and telling me if anything jumps out for mistakes?
spice surge
Ig crafted bugs out when you do that
worldly sail
real gamers modify the simc input 
sacred oyster
I can do kricks at 294 but not 298 so yeah raidbots needs some work
lavish falcon
Yo just wondering, is there any major bugs atm that affect dps majorly in a negative or positive way that you should play around?
dire flume
no
ct does more damage than intended but thats about it and you dont change how you play
storm forum
does CT proc'ing IB count as a bug?
although that doesn't rly change how we play either lol
dire flume
maybe, but thats not the one i mean
"CT is on basically every whitelist, meaning for most people it's doing roughly 95-115% more damage than intended depending on your mastery"
storm forum
oh yeah i forgot about that one somehow
iron thorn
Hey guys, would anyone mind please checking a 16 key log for me and telling me i...
It would help if you provided a log
storm forum
probably cause in my head CT is still a finisher
clear ingot
It would help if you provided a log
didnt get a reply so didn't think anyone was interested,
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HtMaQLfyJ9kRvg3m?fight=21&type=damage-done
appreciate it if you take a look!
quiet star
does assa nature damage buffed by monk or dh?
gleaming parcel
is our mainhand weapon always our highest ilvl?
weary stump
Yes
iron thorn
Nature = magic = dh afaik
But tbh you’re kinda running both monk and dh this ssn anyways
Just because there’s so many devourers and brews
quiet star
But tbh you’re kinda running both monk and dh this ssn anyways
I'm from melee comp world with feral
but ye I guess if assa can work with dh and monk it's a win
now we need to outdamage unholy
quiet star
dont you know DK is the main character?
nah, aug is
iron thorn
Haven’t managed to do that yet but the only uh I play with is a friend of mine who has been playing the spec for literal years and is quite good on it
quiet star
dk is like cameo
low silo
can puzzlebox be macro'd into deathmark or does it need to be used manually
iron thorn
Manually
low silo
ty
storm forum
there have been multiple seasons where DK is like 50%+ of the top runs, i think aug is the cameo
iron thorn
nah, aug is
Tbf I’ve picked Aug as my alt for the season and it’s not only good numerically but also hella fun to play
weary stump
Don't forget to solve your funny fidget toy
iron thorn
Love doing everything possible to keep my Ebon Might up
low silo
tfw evoker is more played than rogue
quiet star
there have been multiple seasons where DK is like 50%+ of the top runs, i think ...
to be frank in this season only one main char and it's brew
quiet star
Tbf I’ve picked Aug as my alt for the season and it’s not only good numerically ...
feral is fun, but in 17th I feel like I overwhelmed with buttons while everyone else just flexing and glad to be here
storm forum
you know it's fucked when there's an order of magnitude more brew than any other spec and the die hard one tricks are still like -2 or -3 key levels behind
and its only like week five, that gap usually only widens as the season goes
quiet star
you know it's fucked when there's an order of magnitude more brew than any other...
it's same as it was in dragonflight s3 with DH
quiet star
blizzard can't do tank balance at all
weary stump
Since I'm benched for raid probably this season I'm kinda just vibing at this point and just hoping we're better next tier
analog field
benched for raid if you are not rwf or maybe hof is a joke
storm forum
blizzard rly not giving a fuck about keys above a 12 fr
quiet star
blizzard rly not giving a fuck about keys above a 12 fr
they also not giving a fuck about pre 12
so maybe they don't give a fuck at all
weary stump
benched for raid if you are not rwf or maybe hof is a joke
I searched for a new group end of last season and kinda got memed by them tbqh, don't have enough wish to search for another group until near next season
storm forum
i meme about getting benched cause its funny to imply that we're such dog shit that our raid buff isn't enough to get us into raid, but it's just cause we have 2 rogues and this raid is rly melee unfriendly
quiet star
lol deadly posion is 5.5 of my dps
is it even normal
interesting how things works with other poisons
iron thorn
I bench myself because I don’t wanna play current rogue on some of these bosses simply
Like idk what could get me to play Dragons/Paladins
weary stump
Guild I joined had two groups but half of them imploded so now it's two rogues for one raid group and our other lad has a lot more time to spend
iron thorn
Rather log onto my aug for then
storm forum
they also not giving a fuck about pre 12
i played during the seasons where assa literally had no AoE besides Fan or Knives, we were kicked immediately on sight from key groups
they care a little bit more than that now
strange onyx
Just got invited to a 17 AA with my previous being a 12. Assa rogue is so back
iron thorn
Goated
strange onyx
Pit is free af
iron thorn
Watched my friends do a 15 Terrace yday evening and that looked so free
I have no worries of hitting 3.4K this season at all
storm forum
and we still got like +15 ilvls to go
iron thorn
Wonder how much io 1% mount is gonna be
storm forum
considering how much people are gonna wanna get boosted/carried to it? I think 4k+
storm forum
yeah but i think keys are easier this season so the cap will be higher
dire flume
yeah but not 4k for top 1%
waxen oyster
yeah this season is undertuned
weary stump
considering how much people are gonna wanna get boosted/carried to it? I think 4...
You forget how many people are somehow under 1k even in the most free seasons tbh
iron thorn
I can imagine like 3.7k maybeeee 3.8k
royal lantern
imagine playing m+
instead of doing productive things
like idk, cut your fingers off with a spoon
dire flume
instead of doing productive things
like shitposting in discord
royal lantern
3.4k is all 16s right?
ye
dry void
is there a good way to do the whole puzzle box setup on bird? my guild does first push at ~1:45 so i have to do the entire thing during the dance
humble verge
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
royal lantern
is there a good way to do the whole puzzle box setup on bird? my guild does firs...
become better at solving the cube
weary stump
Get to spot solve cube burst
waxen oyster
imagine playing m+
real fuck m+
vital flicker
yeah but i think keys are easier this season so the cap will be higher
Just because keys are easier doesn't make them an order of magnitude easier
storm forum
at the point in the season, top 1% last season was 3.1k-ish, currently it's 3.4k, that's like +3 key levels? It went up to 3.5k by the end of last season. With the extra incentives giving more people a reason to push, maybe I overshot it, but I don't think 3.9k-4k is unreasonable.
coral ibex
people are pushing 21's rn and we aren't even at gear cap
plus ilvl is about to go up
lyric grail
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/keystone-cutoffs
got that nice addon
brave gyro
at the point in the season, top 1% last season was 3.1k-ish, currently it's 3.4k...
It was 3.476 or something the other day. Pretty crazy
coral ibex
im not surprised, keys are turbo easy this season
brave gyro
.1 was almost 3.7
coral ibex
getting a full vault of 10s week 1 in literal poop gear
vs struggling to get a single 10 for vault week 1 of s1 tww
storm forum
I like this more, getting gear is fun.
Gating stuff like mounts and titles is better
stray fox
Bad players have more gear and I’m mad 😡
lime edge
storm forum
of course the yellow name hates other people having fun
sacred oyster
people need to stop worrying about trying to gate other people. other people getting good gear doesn't impact you.
stray fox
(it was a joke)
lime edge
My trinkets are so ass
sacred oyster
may been for you but it is a serious thing people bitch about lol
lime edge
Bless the mythic rerolls
storm forum
(it was a joke)
-# (sry I was also joking)
noble nova
royal lantern
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/keystone-cutoffs
got that nice addon
allright but fr
evertime i see one of those shity AI thumbnails, i decide to never touch that addon 
sacred oyster
i tried out the WH demise build and its def doing better at 10 or lower keys
ive been using the normal build for 12+ though
storm forum
if you have an aug I think demise build +2 key levels cause no mob lives an aug empowered box/DM/KB in anything under a 15
royal lantern
if you have an aug I think demise build +2 key levels cause no mob lives an aug ...
if i have an aug im gonna jump