well do one pull where you go be a good little raider and hit the adds
#assassination
vital depot
and then show the log where you do tank damage
I do enjoy a good round of tank damage 😉
primal parrot
"wait you only do boss damage? we dont need that! onto the bench you go"
sacred oyster
well, if they are struggling to kill the ads and thats why they are looking at ad logs, then maybe do need to help. but if the ads are dieing instantly, wtf they even gonna look at the ad logs for
viral sage
is this because of the Caustic buffs? so in AA you would CT Envenom CT envemon?
balmy condor
its also just that caustic hits everything but CT always spreads 2
but yes
envenom is a good button
lime edge
So does ct apply internal bleeding on every cast even if the enemy has rupture alrdy?
I thought it was just once per rupture
heady aspen
but WoW is a very polished game with no bugs
primal parrot
So does ct apply internal bleeding on every cast even if the enemy has rupture a...
wait wtf
royal lantern
stop talking and enjoy the new WORLD EVENT WHERE YOU KILL ENEMYS AND GET CHAMPION GEAR in a couple weeks 🙂
primal parrot
is this intended?
silent drift
In the opener on wowhead, says to spread bleeds after using cd's. Wouldn't I want bleeds to be out before pressing deathmark?
balmy condor
yeah, you get them on your main target
deathmark only increases the bleed damage on the target you apply it on
crude helm
humble verge
oh nvm
vital flicker
we're on mythic dragons and im having fun with the sudden demice build
ethical gamer
spare kayak
ethical gamer
always 😄
vital flicker
always 😄
the really funny part is that even with the sudden demise cheese, Sin is still the worst rogue spec (on average) on that fight
not that a lot of rogues have done the fight tbf
spare kayak
the really funny part is that even with the sudden demise cheese, Sin is still t...
true
frosty cedar
we're on mythic dragons and im having fun with the sudden demice build
dont play it it sucks
sick marsh
does mutilate has a special effect ? I see people casting garrot into mutilate instead of garrot into fok on Lightblinded vanguard
coral pivot
Also just want to say shout out Whispyr for not kicking 9000 people for asking the same question that's been asked 1 billion times after he posted a video
coral pivot
That is a hellspawn
Zoldyck has to be too good to pass up
Surely
What's his logs looking like?
balmy condor
he was also the lowest dps in the raid to be fair
humble verge
thats paladins?
balmy condor
yeah
coral pivot
He just really wants to buff CT
frosty cedar
that seems diabolical
frosty cedar
he was also the lowest dps in the raid to be fair
that makes sense
subtle tundra
so am i
frosty cedar
wtf was he cooking
balmy condor
He just really wants to buff CT
yeah and then doesn't take internal bleeding 
powerful CT buff
frosty cedar
thats my goat
balmy condor
they put something in the water in korea
the log is also called m+ season 1
it's 3 dungeons and then a full mythic reclear and 13 cosmos wipes
lucid rune
I might be behind in my info... but I tried spamming CT instead of FoK... didn't seem quiteeee as good after bleeds were up
did they hotfix? or did I misunderstand your video @balmy condor
coral pivot
It's because spamming CT leaves you with no energy
And FOK has big energy refund from crits
So what you do is, you kill the CT to get some IBs out
And you FOk to get some envenoms
Well, CT and also spend on envenom
coral pivot
Can we get a command to bring this up, or have it like a twitch bot that every 2 minutes types some ad, but in this case it just explains what to do
gray raven
after all this I miss carnage
coral pivot
Whispyr really sacrificing himself by making a video on a bug and then he gets bombarded with questions because hearing him say "Nothing changes" and the TDLR post being "Nothing changes" is difficult to pay attention to
subtle tundra
you cant tell me what to do
balmy condor
you cant tell me what to do
smd
frosty cedar
typical whispyr farming ad revenue on nothingburger bug
let me guess its probably 10 minutes
heady aspen
We need another 3.5 hour dissertation on Assa rogue. 🫡
frosty cedar
vital flicker
I like that the pin AND the video are basically about how nothing changes, and despite this everyone comes in and asks how things have changed
balmy condor
typical whispyr farming ad revenue on nothingburger bug
my bad for putting out information about spec
fallow canopy
but for me as a player did something change?
balmy condor
I see an interesting thing
ability doing 100% more than intended
pretty big news
doesn't change how you play though because like
was already accounted for
so do we CT or not
tell me math boy
coral pivot
We need another 3.5 hour dissertation on Assa rogue. 🫡
I agree with your name. BIS show
vital flicker
I just never hit CT because bleeds are a crutch and spatter is BiS
coral pivot
I just never hit CT because bleeds are a crutch and spatter is BiS
Based
balmy condor
I just never hit CT because bleeds are a crutch and spatter is BiS
says the bleed build tc messiah himself yeah okay buddy
heady aspen
I only hit CT because I like to pad with Sudden Demise 
coral pivot
I wonder if people would have understood it differently if the video starts with "This is why CT is so strong atm and when this bug is fixed, things can change"
balmy condor
?????
frosty cedar
my bad for putting out information about spec
I forgor to say cap
balmy condor
oh mb
vital flicker
dont questionmark me bro
????
heady aspen
dont questionmark me bro
????
old thistle
wat
balmy condor
????
humble verge
old thistle
this guy
heady aspen
Posting a sub kill in the assa channel?
fallow canopy
smh uber
balmy condor
you post a subtlety cosmos PoV with no context randomly in a channel
vital flicker
but not this time
you're supposed to be asking if we CT or FoK
balmy condor
yeah of course that's not fucking fine
weak crescent
not even 69
Not even 67???
balmy condor
are you dumb 
coral pivot
GET EM LADS
heady aspen
are you dumb <:OmegaLUL:751142928352805034>
Yes
balmy condor
in context of what
humble verge
old thistle
make him watch nyan cat videos for 12 hours non stop
balmy condor
yeah great
fallow canopy
coral pivot
fallow canopy
humble verge
ban for what
wind totem
Do we send cds on the add in the intermission? Dragons
frosty cedar
why would anyone play sub
humble verge
being bad at the game
balmy condor
yes? what part of this is against self-promo rules do you not understand
would you prefer a mute or something
heady aspen
You dont earn anything from YT views?
balmy condor
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes, lets just let everyone post their twitch and youtubes then since they're not making money
humble verge
balmy condor
anyone got a feral druid pov they wanna post
humble verge
i mean
balmy condor
uber shut the actual fuck up
crisp pine
I have a small tumblr blog if anyones interested guys
heady aspen
I do have a feral druid pov
humble verge
minor gate
the new pin on CT reminded me that i have a question specifically pertaining to garrotte and CT that i probably should know specifically with 2-set and iron wire
subtle tundra
iron wire
balmy condor
IRON WIRE?
subtle tundra
LOL!
balmy condor
haven't heard that name in years
fallow canopy
anyone got a feral druid pov they wanna post
doing a +10 on my WW rn let me finish and I'll post it
humble verge
ironwire, not been in use since october 2024
minor gate
bruh
storm forum
iron wire my beloved......
i cant believe CT spreads internal bleeding and not iron wire
minor gate
i know its not viable but would CT actually spread the silence or no
balmy condor
no
storm forum
it doesnt spread iron wire and we're sad about it
minor gate
and 2-set applying poisons?
balmy condor
no
vital flicker
Iron wire was one of the ways I was able to convince tanks to give me a restealth... how I miss you dearly
balmy condor
2 set poison application is flavor text
minor gate
lovely
balmy condor
it only applies on self-casted garrotes when you press the button
heady aspen
Tanks insisting on chain pulling is the stuff of nightmares
balmy condor
it adds a total of like 13 poison hits a minute or something
strange onyx
Tanks insisting on chain pulling is the stuff of nightmares
really isnt
on 2% it is grief on 30% it is fine
balmy condor
I'd say sims are reflecting the poison application from the tier set, but I actually haven't checked and the effect itself is so worthless that removing it is margin of error
empty niche
k
balmy condor
k
wind totem
On dragons do I send cds on the intermission add or do I hold for when dragons land?
strange onyx
if your team struggles to kill the add
gilded oasis
I sent on 1st add
balmy condor
I sent on add
coral pivot
On dragons do I send cds on the intermission add or do I hold for when dragons l...
Depends on what your team needs
If add dies fast enough, then don't
storm forum
I do not send on add cause I spend an extra 10 seconds doing dumb multidotting shit on pull and its not up yet
coral pivot
If it doesn't die, then do
gilded oasis
sin rogues, known team players
strange onyx
the faster you can get to paladins, the faster your guild can disband and you can join mine
gilded oasis
I do not send on add cause I spend an extra 10 seconds doing dumb multidotting s...
are you not ct?
heady aspen
I can't hear you over being benched on paladin prog
strange onyx
if u cant be in them ele execution sentence
you might aswell be benched
that shit is horrible
storm forum
YEAH
frigid lagoon
CT change is the greatest addition to assa maybe ever
storm forum
CT is a FINISHER
frigid lagoon
that's envenom
wind totem
If add dies fast enough, then don't
Guess im sending.
balmy condor
whispyr what are the rules on suicidal planning in here?
3 white monsters and a manifesto about how I doom too much, or not enough
vital flicker
I think this might be the better cook than whatever that guy dying to play SD on paladins had, but like just why would you even try this
vital flicker
they already didn't in the original build
balmy condor
also the fact that you can drop basically everything that gives energy and still use inspiring strike
is rancid
vital flicker
seems real bad jusut play the m+ build or something
balmy condor
yeh
strange onyx
I think this might be the better cook than whatever that guy dying to play SD on...
i have been timed out for less
storm forum
what even gives energy?
strange onyx
haste
gilded oasis
@storm forum r u ok
storm forum
no
strange onyx
thistle tea
little tulip
sudden demise made sense on longer kill times fwiw
little tulip
everyone is uh..to quote a 40k book...gathering themselves before getting crumped
storm forum
i feel like more of my sanity has left me
balmy condor
what's time got to do with anything
heady aspen
what even gives energy?
Energy Drinks
little tulip
so sudden demise gets out more often due to spotty dps chains
balmy condor
spotty dps chains?
spice spire
WHITE MONSTER ENERGY
Like the drink?
balmy condor
on paladins?
storm forum
buds i need help
heady aspen
Same
little tulip
<a:HUH:1327145623862120541>
anti parse goblin play goes large
strange onyx
can we call people stupid in here? @balmy condor
balmy condor
I feel like I lost the ability to speak english in the last 3 minutes
what the fuck is happening right now
little tulip
i mean i didn't do that but that's the logic i heard
storm forum
i think im having a psychotic break
little tulip
i was playing sub cause..idk outlaw needs 2 or 3 buffs to the face :)b
balmy condor
sub on paladins?
strange onyx
🤢
storm forum
balmy condor
you're speaking a different language atm
strange onyx
you misinform yourself to such stupid degrees it is unreal
balmy condor
why are we griefing them
balmy condor
literally zero words wollmart has said in 5 minutes have made any sense to me
please tell me it's not just me
I feel like I'm losing it
little tulip
no i'm
balmy condor
I don't know man I'm ESL
no, you're blind
little tulip
yeah i'm trying to get steady too
fallow canopy
no, you're blind
that too
little tulip
sudden demise to grief the 99 parses apparently
gray horizon
i need to jork it
???
gray horizon
very ontopic for rogue discord i see
little tulip
well i don't think you can grief that without dying no
strange onyx
u actual clown
storm forum
is this what an anneurysm looks like?
vital flicker
I think taking SD on paladins is actually helping all of the rogues that are playing a normal build
balmy condor
I smell toast
midnight mist
guys
balmy condor
just the guy I needed
little tulip
storm forum
do yall toast ur break for PB&Js?
midnight mist
nvm they hate me here
storm forum
bread
solar wyvern
What is happening
strange onyx
and we get a bleed so strong we 1 egg her?
heady aspen
I play SD on Voracius 
solar wyvern
Why are we sudden demising in world of warcraft midnight
balmy condor
What is happening
idk, wollmart's having a stroke, skoop is shitposting, varas is horny
zac said guys and then immediately left
midnight mist
what is sd
little tulip
no
solar wyvern
Wheres zeross when u need him
little tulip
play faster
balmy condor
sudden demise
midnight mist
im back
solar wyvern
Just add to the anarchy
balmy condor
zeross too busy losing an argument with himself
subtle tundra
oooh i miss zeross
heady aspen
And on L'ura
subtle tundra
can i get a mute in his honor, pretend i argue with him
balmy condor
just because you asked nicely, no
strange onyx
yooo
little tulip
lucky reset is tomorrow
strange onyx
what if
little tulip
so people can sd
little tulip
on some bosses
strange onyx
Crimson Tempest (CT) spreads our Rupture / Garrote (DoTs (Damage over times)) onto the friendly crystals on L'ura and SD (Sudden Demise) them
midnight mist
Zeross was so convinced fatebound assa was the play in db...
he was a prophet
he knew in midnight
it would be good
when db comes back
in s2
solar wyvern
when db comes back
Dont
vital flicker
why not just go DS and take supercharger while we're at it and just pop bosses at 35% with massive ruptures
little tulip
crinkle sum shiet
heady aspen
Anybody else want DS meta back?
plush isle
triggered
strange onyx
any pokemon enjoyers
I dabble
woven trout
midnight mist
its coming back cuh
solar wyvern
its coming back cuh
What swirly shall we make invisible today ?
plush isle
Everything that is wrong with DS will be fixed with the new Button
solar wyvern
Maybe we make the rash swirls invisible
Or perhaps we make the tact frontals invisible and pointed wrong
severe meadow
Everything that is wrong with DS will be fixed with the new Button
No
strange onyx
What swirly shall we make invisible today ?
I hope they make the yellows on Belo'ren invisible, cause there are only 2 colors so if they make 50% of them invisible it is like nothing happened
vital flicker
Everything that is wrong with DS will be fixed with the new Button
maybe if the new button did competitive damage with FB
little tulip
k byeeeee
midnight mist
Oh yes i do
midnight mist
solar wyvern
midnight mist
its new mech
solar wyvern
XD
lime edge
CT should spread mutilate bleed talent
plush isle
was that coordinated ?
strange onyx
"We play Sudden Demise to grief the 99 parse goblins on Paladins" - Wollmart
severe meadow
CT should spread mutilate bleed talent
No thanks, I don’t wanna use a ST ability for AoE again 
frosty cedar
Ive been accidentally progging council with sudden demise build
I actually need to be shot
I became that korean guy
gilded oasis
nah, maybe you're just thinking in the future
little tulip
iiiiiiii mean
bleed build was played on soul hunters
it made sense
no sd
i dunno
literally have 1 kill
spice spire
bleed build was played on soul hunters
Different tree then
viscid spear
https://tenor.com/view/sylvanas-gif-19336297
dreamy plover
Is Blizzs intention that you build 80% energy regen, let it drop, wait the duration of the extra energy regen and start all over again. With that, Blizzs cooldown manager would work as intended 🤔
coral ibex
no
frosty cedar
anotha night anotha no paladins kill
echo heath
AI vibe coding at blizz
lime edge
Whoever is in charge of unholy dk needs to be fired
echo heath
unholy dk was perfect in tier 1 warlords
lime edge
Every time I play wow udk is broken
echo heath
they need to go back to that
lime edge
Udk is my 2nd most played spec 
terse stirrup
I think this might be the better cook than whatever that guy dying to play SD on...
bleeds backs?
vital flicker
bleeds backs?
Lmao no
But if you were a masochist dying to play sudden demise on paladins that might be the best SD build for 2.5 target cleave
Or you could just play a real build
wind totem
Is there a spell on Salhadaar which cloak works on?
wind totem
Yeah kinda why I was asking. I havent tried the spikes only afaik.
Pretty sure every single other source of damage goes straight through it
lime onyx
You never use tea anymore just let it auto pro
plain thistle
lime onyx
Best bet is a castsequence with like a 1sec reset
vagrant obsidian
dh blur
spice surge
of what you are having issues with
Im out of snackies is my current issue
vagrant obsidian
is now 2x charge with no gcd
gilded oasis
sounds like a dh question
balmy condor
yeh idk
spice surge
I just saw a macro with tea here before and thought it would work
#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs
I think you mean this one?
ocean bear
He needs a macro like the DK deaths advance one
spice surge
Obviously replace symbols with blur
vagrant obsidian
#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs
ty ill try
lapis lantern
do you guys activly track internal bleeding in m+? and try to reapply it with CT when it comes off?
i cant really find anything regarding how to play with it
balmy condor
you don't play around it
lapis lantern
thx ❤️
dense prism
how is assa in pve content rn ? compared to DF and TWW ?
storm forum
best feeling M+ since dance in DF
back to being kind of mid in raid, but great boss damage if you need that
old terrace
Does sudden demise work in delves yet?
frosty cedar
how is assa in pve content rn ? compared to DF and TWW ?
Op
visual prairie
i don't under stand what that pin is telling me. i still ct until all adds have bleeds and then fok?
waxen oyster
how is assa in pve content rn ? compared to DF and TWW ?
mid
visual prairie
like did anything change?
coral ibex
visual prairie
ok, so 8 paragraphs to say as you were. just making sure i wasn't missing something
balmy condor
I provided a tldr so you didn’t have to read any of it if you didn’t give a shit
My bad for informing the community about bugs on the spec I guess
visual prairie
hey, don't worry about it
severe meadow
It's just crazy to be a passive aggressive asshole over it when it literally says nothing changes for you, the player
In big bold words, btw
severe meadow
Reading comprehension is incredibly hard
lapis lantern
i like the in depth infos
lapis lantern
keep it up o7
severe meadow
i like the in depth infos
Yeah, most people do
But then you have some who read it, and ask stupid questions
cunning needle
u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves.
the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dum
balmy condor
Maybe I should just not account for bugs so that they are gameplay changes when I make pins, I was too good at my job
Or alternatively I just don’t fucking talk about it
And then if/when the bugs get fixed
Everyone can go “what? Bugs? What does this mean? We play differently? Was this accounted for?”
And then I’m right back where I am now
Lose lose lose situation
lapis lantern
just try to not let those people get to close to your nerves
ember condor
u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt h...
this a copy pasta?
balmy condor
this a copy pasta?
It’s a classic
cunning needle
yeah.
lapis lantern
its like 99% love it, 1% are not that bright
ember condor
It’s a classic
shaman discord being dead af is giga accurate
balmy condor
Well if we’re being accurately it’s like 94% don’t read it and don’t care, 5.9% love it because they like knowing things about the class they play, and 0.1% bitch about everything regardless
severe meadow
Well if we’re being accurately it’s like 94% don’t read it and don’t care, 5.9% ...
I mean even then
for like the average player
ember condor
Well if we’re being accurately it’s like 94% don’t read it and don’t care, 5.9% ...
i never login without checking discord
severe meadow
This is all that matters
old terrace
If I’m understanding the wowhead guide right, do we just pool up to near full energy before using envenom?
balmy condor
This is all that matters
Yeah I mean I made an attempt
balmy condor
If I’m understanding the wowhead guide right, do we just pool up to near full en...
No, you would only pool while dropping the apex stacks
old terrace
Ah, okay. Imma have to spend some time with this spec, it’s a lot more complicated than it was in tww it seems
severe meadow
Ah, okay. Imma have to spend some time with this spec, it’s a lot more complicat...
The idea is to get to 5 stacks of the Apex and then let that fall off for the regen buff
Then you start sending envenoms again
If you're going to overcap on energy while at 5 stacks, just keep sending envenoms
ember condor
is it possibly the most boring ass apex?
old terrace
Ty, that’s making more sense now
balmy condor
Ah, okay. Imma have to spend some time with this spec, it’s a lot more complicat...
it's way easier actually
severe meadow
Yeah it's like
You keep bleeds up
And go to 5 stacks
reset
that's the whole loop
cunning needle
!apex
prisma monolithBOT
Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.
Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.
coral ibex
u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt h...
it is interesting to me how mage has like more than 3x as many players as rogue according to logs and raider io but their spec channels aren't 3x as busy as ours. i'm not in enough spec discords to draw wider conclusions
cunning needle
it is interesting to me how mage has like more than 3x as many players as rogue ...
because they have 10x the amount of fotm/casual players
ocean bear
with toxic stiletto is it worth pressing shiv to go from 4->5 cp?
balmy condor
no
cunning needle
who at most step foot into a wowhead guide
ocean bear
so just never shiv unless enrage reasons?
tight ginkgo
tbf 90% of discussion here is queer shitposting
balmy condor
with toxic stiletto is it worth pressing shiv to go from 4->5 cp?
well this is a thing to go from 6->7 on deathstalker
but you'd have to play deathstalker
which is already awful
ocean bear
thanks
haughty flicker
shiv never got it
cunning needle
tbf 90% of discussion here is queer shitposting
please, it's at most 70% with 25% dooming and 5% actual discussion
balmy condor
anyways
balmy condor
who at most step foot into a wowhead guide
WHAT ARE YOU DOING STEP FOOT
cunning needle
azure carbon
it's way easier actually
My guildy was telling me he thought Sin was the highest skill ceiling class in the game with mad skill scaling and expression due to sin performing so well in high keys compared to low keys. 😂
old terrace
I love deathstalker 🥲
balmy condor
I love deathstalker 🥲
opinions are subjective, but yours is wrong
ocean bear
a mere retadin would even know that
cunning needle
I love deathstalker 🥲
wicked scaffold
Pit +10 played with IB
haughty flicker
those are numbers
mortal jasper
+10 key sudden death better
balmy condor
BIGGER BAR BETTER PERSON
tight ginkgo
that's what i say when i have the most deaths across the dungeon
haughty flicker
balmy condor
Officer I swear sudden demise isn’t fake damage
It shows up on my damage meter and poison bomb doesn’t
Checkmate
spice surge
But i like when the mobs go boom from 20%
keen spruce
see most people pop CDs at start of pull so the damage is front loaded, so the last 20% of health actually takes longer than the rest of the healthbar so my sudden demise is actually the most valuable time saving damage in the group
desert salmon
It feels like assa is better now on ealier boss. It is hard to dealing small mobs but really helpful to clear.
keen spruce
most ethical dmg tbh
lime edge
So are we actually getting aoe blind or is that a meme
clever gust
Hey, Found out everyone else swaped to internal bleeding, is it really better than Canny strikes in MM+ scenario ?
keen spruce
Hey, Found out everyone else swaped to internal bleeding, is it really better th...
pins
desert salmon
Assa will be good at raid as buffs on player and nuffs on bosses
clever gust
Well ty
keen spruce
balmy condor
So are we actually getting aoe blind or is that a meme
Yes
balmy condor
Hey, Found out everyone else swaped to internal bleeding, is it really better th...
It’s always been better to be fair even without it spreading in sims
Bugs don’t impact that too much
Just makes it MUCH better
old terrace
I love deathstalker 🥲
Nvm, I see why yall using fatebound now
Getting talent points for free out here 😂
I just checked out sin for the first time in midnight so im a little shell shocked at the loss of carnage
clever gust
It’s always been better to be fair even without it spreading in sims
Well I was already on the edge of swapping to it, but really liked the 2% crit for Algethar pulls type of shit
But thanks to you that's a no brainer now, ty my goat
balmy condor
Getting talent points for free out here 😂
I just checked out sin for the first...
Ct is much nicer than carnage was, you’ll like it
old terrace
Ahhh, I keep forgetting it’s there. I do like it tho
balmy condor
Nop
tight ginkgo
when you feel satisfied
balmy condor
Not really necessary either
desert salmon
DS has potential
balmy condor
Eyeball and when in doubt, slam another ct
desert salmon
Waiting for blizzard more buffs on DS
balmy condor
DS has potential
Yeah potential as toilet drain cleaner
tight ginkgo
Yeah potential as toilet drain cleaner
desert salmon
But I play FB until the day comes
balmy condor
I think honestly if fatebound wasn’t viable, I wouldn’t play assa
Deathstalker is actually so shit
Having to shiv, force yourself to max cp
The mark
Hell fucking no man
cunning needle
with a COOLDOWN and ENERGY COST so it's also impacting our DECISION MAKING
the decision of "did blizzard fuck up and bug out the mark"
jaunty sky
with a COOLDOWN and ENERGY COST so it's also impacting our DECISION MAKING
Time to snipe some adds for more DN
spice spire
That’s what we wanted!
Now if only they add flag again so we can mfd snipe
Maybe Cev would return
old terrace
How does sin compare to sub rn?
brittle quail
Or alternatively I just don’t fucking talk about it
if you dont talk about id bet a lot of money it wouldnt get fixed
balmy condor
How does sin compare to sub rn?
More boss damage less aoe burst
balmy condor
if you dont talk about id bet a lot of money it wouldnt get fixed
I mean I still report things
Idk if the pins help
But at least I can pretend like they do
brittle quail
im certain it help
been reporting bug dayli on outlaw lastt expac
never got fixed even the simple one
got workaround eventually but i swear 0 fix
you do a pin
sometimes it gets corrected in a week
onyx scroll
Blizzard doesn’t think rogue exists anymore. We are too stealthy
brittle quail
the only time outlaw got a real bugfix was when guy made a wowhead article about bf bug
if community isnt aware its not important to get fixed
thats the blizzard way
prove me wrong otherwise thanks for coming to my ted talk
desert salmon
Sin could get better as additional raid percenatge buffs come in.
cunning needle
true. sin scales with flat damage buffs more than the other specs
desert salmon
small mobs are melting and it is really hard to get those to logs
desert salmon
So assa can contribute to boss clear more than sub
balmy condor
tawny shell
Cant wait for implacable fixed wowhead post...
hazy sundial
What is the doomsaying of nerf i hear
somber fractal
so you spam ct on 2 target now?
elder agate
Did it befor nerf
what nerf
elder agate
oh, lol
severe meadow
what nerf
"You should NOT be mindlessly spamming CT as you will still run out of energy."
wrong reply
elder agate
lol xdxdx
severe meadow
but to that one guy asking
acoustic cypress
is it illegal to post your log and ask questions about it?
or is there a channel for it
gilded oasis
just post it. if someone has time they will look
acoustic cypress
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jLVaFvzxRd9QHGM3?fight=8&type=damage-done&source=655
not sure how I had two more kingsbanes than rank 1 but ours did the same exact damage, I must be doing something wrong
balmy condor
also don't have an on-use like puzzle box, so you're just not buffing your burst windows (and thus kingsbane)
shy creek
Also missing a warrior LOL
gilded oasis
random 1:30 vanish instead of holding for 2nd DM
balmy condor
swap this in opener
coral ibex
shy creek
mashallah
balmy condor
and then here you'd want to envenom before the deathmark, instantly into kingsbane
weird gap there
and then yeah like zar said, keep the vanish for deathmark
gilded oasis
same for 3rd deathmarkiemark
coral ibex
not last!!!
gilded oasis
are you vanishing fixate?
coral ibex
balmy condor
can't really complain otherwise I think
balmy condor
are you vanishing fixate?
people have started doing this and it makes me want to vomit ngl 
coral ibex
i think its not as bad as vanishing fixates on OAB tho
gilded oasis
or dont play imp if thts your plan
coral ibex
and we did that for dps
balmy condor
who tf is we
gilded oasis
nooj and his voices
coral ibex
well considering i got a weakaura to alert me to vanish from a green name in here
balmy condor
first of all, that shit lined up with cds naturally
coral ibex
WE MF
balmy condor
second of all
sub did that cause vanish wasn't dps for them
but ain't no "WE" in here I'll fucking kiss you with tongue if you sass me again king
indigo sinew
how big of a loss is it if you dont line up vanish with dm?
coral ibex
but ain't no "WE" in here I'll fucking kiss you with tongue if you sass me again...
is your alleria talent build used by rank 1
balmy condor
how big of a loss is it if you dont line up vanish with dm?
I mean technically you're gonna miss a cast lining it up in a lot of situations
but if you wouldn't lose a cast, it's like 0.6%
gilded oasis
i somtimes forget it so just press it whenever u remember it its fine
ok I just pressed it, ty
balmy condor
is your alleria talent build used by rank 1
no, mine has CT and they took doomblade instead
also they took tight spender
coral ibex
i was just going to ask is no CT really the play here
balmy condor
no CT is fine
worn geyser
i might have missed this in the guide, but for the very first vanish are you jsut supposed to use that for refreshing the imp garrote at pandemic? or earlier?
coral ibex
hm ok
balmy condor
totally fine to drop ct
indigo sinew
but if you wouldn't lose a cast, it's like 0.6%
acceptable loss
balmy condor
i might have missed this in the guide, but for the very first vanish are you jsu...
you let it drop, then vanish to refresh
worn geyser
oh interesting that is weird thank you
balmy condor
it's cause you're pandemicing it when you vanish anyway
coral ibex
is that better than holding vanish for 2m
balmy condor
if you vanish in pandemic you'd just be wasting uptime
coral ibex
or is it a wash
balmy condor
if you're going to miss a cast holding (most cases), yes
coral ibex
yuck
balmy condor
but it's kinda whatever
95% of the time you should just sync it just because it's probably better for the fight anyway
acoustic cypress
swap this in opener
so generally fix up the opener
save vanish for dps window
puzzle box and ilvl
balmy condor
if you vanish on cd on alleria I think you end up technically having to vanish in intermission cause it lines up that way
balmy condor
envenom -> box -> dm
balmy condor
if you box before pull do me a favor and vendor it
might as well not have a puzzle box at that point
sour oasis
!stats
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Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.
Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
acoustic cypress
What does poison bomb come up as in logs
balmy condor
its under envenom
gilded oasis
you're welcome
gilded oasis
meta schmeta
coral ibex
im gonna ask them to figure out a 2nd rogue player so im not just in jail if rogue is really stinky
severe meadow
me on rogue is better than someone else on a more meta spec
suffering from success
fallow canopy
grats king 👑
gilded oasis
thank you
fallow canopy
we could maybe get hof
You are kinda on track no?
coral ibex
idk how full it is
errant swallow
!fuu
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elder agate
if you're going to miss a cast holding (most cases), yes
whats best moment to vanish
like 1 pack algethar
balmy condor
like 1 pack algethar
on a single pack? you don't
elder agate
gotcha
balmy condor
doesn't last long enough
elder agate
even on 17?
haughty flicker
do a key with me and the pack will last long enough
balmy condor
Idk
I'm looking at it on a 20
and that is like 27-29 seconds
so I'm gonna say yeah
even on a 17
elder agate
and that is like 27-29 seconds
ye its kinda fast lol
coral ibex
prob better value to vanish the adds on the boss
balmy condor
I think if the pack lasts any longer your tank just fucking dies tbh
elder agate
haughty flicker
elder agate
NEED MY IMP GAR
ye lol 🐷
coral ibex
its 2030. the only benefit to restealths is that your garrote button glows. it doesn't do anything else. people still complain.
balmy condor
worth mentioning he vanishes for the garrote, refreshes rupture, and starts spreading at 1:10
the lasters are already dying
half of them are gone
so like
I guess
if that's what you wanna do
yolo
severe meadow
any tips and tricks for paladins
cry
balmy condor
hope you get benched
gilded oasis
get really good at dodging
verbal sable
we already did 2hours there
wasnt too bad tbh
im just kinda lost with assa as i did not play it this season, and the no WA situation make it little harder for me with bleeds
severe meadow
Just look at the glowy boxes
verbal sable
opener sux, as one of paladins go away at aroun 10-12s 😄
coral ibex
its after the opener finishes
if ur tank is pulling it out before the amp ends thats wrong
verbal sable
well i guees he play it safer
so i vanish at around 10s into fight to re garrote
i really hat epuzzle box
uncut dragon
any nuaellus ?? tips? melee hits are tough to deal with
uncut dragon
hard to solo him in a group!
severe meadow
go sub, perma tricks valeera
zinc frost
Use elusiveness and press feint whenever valeera goes down to res her and its ggs
uncut dragon
valeera healer or valeera tank?
runic hinge
healer
balmy condor
Vaheela
spare kayak
any nuaellus ?? tips? melee hits are tough to deal with
Go sub, perma tricks healer valeera and hold vial and feint for when you're ressing her, as she dies quite often
Save blades for the adds on 50% and 25% and profit
rugged basalt
Gm
Genuinely considering heroic gaze over a myth track given my luck this is a depressing thought no lans you should greed
humble verge
runic hinge
Meowdy
cunning needle
what about ni howdy
celest ruin
wasn't o/ s tier, did it get nerfed?
brave gyro
wasn't o/ s tier, did it get nerfed?
yeah, same - missed patch notes
rugged basalt
I exclusively meowdy and howdy this expansion, pls hotfix
humble verge
what about ni howdy
cunning needle
I exclusively meowdy and howdy this expansion, pls hotfix
spice it up with a ni meowdy
dire flume
keen raven
can confirm having resil 18 all pugged with no coms XD
amber brook
!guide
rugged basalt
spice it up with a ni meowdy
In my next key
Lowk glad I pulled off a Monday beloren
rugged basalt
Based
balmy condor
Banned
solemn cave
hey quick question! how can I get my dots to be shown as in the screenshot ? is it possible via based UI ?
rugged basalt
Based on what
tight condor
hey quick question! how can I get my dots to be shown as in the screenshot ? is ...
that's plater, idk if base ui has the same functionality
solemn cave
thanks!
tight condor
But it's easy enough with plater
rugged basalt
I think any nameplate addon can do that and I think it’s worth using
tight condor
^
rugged basalt
I do favor platynator personally bc of jundies’ profile
jade grotto
I'm nearly 3k rating after not touching my rogue since df. Thank you to everyone who answered my questions and helped me a little bit less shit.
That and memes.
rugged basalt
I'm nearly 3k rating after not touching my rogue since df. Thank you to everyone...
Very nice
rugged basalt
I will wait till work ends
lethal wadi
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Resources:
ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
(Jundies Profile)
(Whispyr's Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement
strange onyx
About Heja or hei? Ngl I am a yo-spammer
humble verge
About Heja or hei? Ngl I am a yo-spammer
frosty cedar
Yo is goated
dire flume
nothing beats a classic "o/"
rugged basalt
I slip a classic hej in there sometomes
It doesn’t work
I think my best one is gm
hearty seal
safe kestrel
eyo, as assa, if I want to take wound poison for the second part of MT or first boss of algethar for the reduced healing, what poison do I drop for it?
or it's not worth it for us?
dire flume
youd drop crippling
as one of your 2 nonletahl
oh wait no wound is letahl isnt it
lmao
amp poison then
safe kestrel
wound is lethal
yeah
okay, thank you 
meanwhile the bot
i feel like it has good value in second part of MT 
but maybe I'm just wrong
frosty cedar
It's definitely terrible
safe kestrel
lemme check if woxtoxic used it, they just timed a MT 20
for sub I often take it cause it's whatever
but for assa it might be inting
dire flume
it does if no one is killing the little void guys fast enough or the boss with the balls is being allowed to take the balls
i think if you're planning to take it you just drop amp poison and put the point somewhere else
sudden brook
For other rogue specs its replacing instant poison which does no damage
safe kestrel
they never used WP
yeah, on sub I take it cause it really doesn't matter
on assa I feel like I would actually make things worse
safe kestrel
by dropping either of my lethal posions
sudden brook
Wound is about half as good as instant
So for otl/sub its very fine/normal to go wound when it can get value
It goes from like, 2% of ur damage to 1%
frosty cedar
Wound poison is extremely bad BC it doesn't tick so you don't get dashing or anything
balmy condor
Wound poison is extremely bad BC it doesn't tick so you don't get dashing or any...
the applications would give dashing
it interacts just like all the other poisons
you just lose a bunch of damage cause wound does nothing
frosty cedar
Applications true but no ticks right as no dot
frosty cedar
you just lose a bunch of damage cause wound does nothing
Real
balmy condor
Applications true but no ticks right as no dot
yeah but like, amp poison doesn't tick either
frosty cedar
True. Though would you run deadly + wound or amp + wound, gun to your head, I think amp is better right?
balmy condor
deadly + wound
stark mirage
Can you blacklist certain debuffs on the nameplate (platynator)? Or is that a restriction now?
spice surge
That is restricted yes
All you can do is use the blizzard filter or no filter at all
But generally you dont really need to see much more than garrote+rupture which blizzards does
brave gyro
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vpqzM64cmfxKrFJj?fight=5&type=damage-done&s...
How come this BM is pumper, but every BM hunter i've seen in 14-16 keys has had 50-60% of the other two's dmg 
tight condor
How come this BM is pumper, but every BM hunter i've seen in 14-16 keys has had ...
hunter brain
dire flume
probably because bansherz is one of the best hunter players in the world?
and most bm hunters dont press multi shot
brave gyro
For sure, one of the best hunters is playing hunter well, it's more about the ratio to the group's dmg that surprises me
I legit have not played with a BM hunter that didn't do 20-50k less dmg the others in the group
dire flume
they excel at just shitting out pure mass aoe
brave gyro
I've had a potentially a totally skewed view of BM hunters
dire flume
and i imagine the pulls being done in a 20 are massive
rugged basalt
Most hunters do 0 button rotation
dire flume
i assume hes playing dark ranger, cant check logs at work, but they can spawn a dark hound and it spawns a shit tonne in aoe, those hounds are counted as pets and trigger stomp and all the other things bm pets do so
the bigger the pull the more value
- full phys comp helps a bit
golden loom
Bansherz the goat
brave gyro
at what point btw is it better to run Potion of Rech, compared to Light?
balmy condor
never
brave gyro
i see in the log Woxtoxic does, that's why im asking
balmy condor
you'd have to ask him
he's casting it after box
so it's hitting mastery
and just DRing to shit
can't say I recommend that one
brave gyro
dire flume
he probably just had a bunch from playing sub and cba changing
balmy condor
would be my guess too yeah
warm vortex
probably because bansherz is one of the best hunter players in the world?
BM players are just fucking stupid
As are most hunter players
I would know