assassination

[coral ibex]

basically equal overall and sub does poopoo boss damage

[coral pivot]

Imo, sub is more reliable for prog because of it's damage profile but that comes down to preference

[coral ibex]

i think people only come to that conclusion because burst specs look better when you wipe early

[coral pivot]

Sub, however, is a lot more tanky than assa

[golden loom]

I mean rogue in raid is just tanky

so wouldnt put too much into that

[coral ibex]

how do you figure sub is a lot more tanky than assa

[coral pivot]

There's still a big difference between assa and sub

[coral pivot]

Every dance is 10% damage taken reduction

[coral ibex]

ok but you're not pressing dance as a defensive

[coral pivot]

No, but if I am passively taking less damage than a different spec, then I am tankier than the other spec

[analog field]

you are not dying in raid

[coral ibex]

not if the temporary tankiness occurs when no damage happens

[coral pivot]

But you use quite a lot of shadow dances

[analog field]

assa is not dying in raid

literally the tankiest spec after dk

[noble nova]

dying in this raid is funny i wont lie. its not like previous ones

[coral ibex]

the data shows sub rogues die more often

[noble nova]

dying in this raid is somewhat intentional

[coral ibex]

by %

so 10% dr on dance doesn't appear to make them any more tanky than assa

[analog field]

we don't need to invent reasons to play sub or assa

if you need to kill adds go sub

at the moment this does not happen

in almost any boss

[fresh kelp]

you also get passive shield/healing from exhilarating execution

i think ppl should probably also be playing ephemeral bond on a couple fights

[coral pivot]

I did say it was personal preference for prog

I personally think sub is more reliable because of it's much simpler damage pattern in which there's a lot of time where button presses isn't important

[royal lantern]

....huh

[coral pivot]

And assa falls off harder for bad presses

[royal lantern]

man, those last 10min have some WILD takes

[analog field]

for sure sub is more punishing than assa

[sonic zinc]

just prog outlaw, u get punished for pressing buttons

[coral pivot]

Pretty sure my guild would have benched me just for playing outlaw

Except for during splits

[sonic zinc]

exactly

[wooden grotto]

switching from sub to assassination; I feel like my aoe as sub - two button spam - is much much better than the tanks not letting me go in stealth to apply the buffed garrote, rupture, crimson x whatever mobs, envenom in between then fok. I think I got like 2 improved garrotes minus bosses out of the whole dungeon and it was with vanish. am i doing it wrong as sub comes out ahead in dps.

[royal lantern]

bro, imp. garrote is doing jack shit

[coral ibex]

idk i think its really easy to do more dps on assa than sub as long as prio targets don't instantly blow up

[sonic zinc]

depends on key levels

at lower keys sub will do more and sin will do less

bc mobs live longer at higher keys

[coral pivot]

imp garrote is more of a "it feels bad" rather than actually making a huge difference

[wooden grotto]

its easier than shuriken storm and black powder spam?!?

[analog field]

also how do you only get 2 stealths

[coral pivot]

Well, assa does the same just CT to spread bleeds and then FOK, envenom spam

[sonic zinc]

what key level were u at

[analog field]

even in runs when tank doesnt want to le met stealth

[coral pivot]

And those big adds get bonked to death

[coral ibex]

ok so in this 17 maisara caverns i did 158k overall and i had 8.5% uptime on improved garrote

[analog field]

i get like half of the pulls

[wooden grotto]

12's and to answer the other questions was vanish

[coral ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4J8jFmNK3BPzTVqn?fight=1&type=damage-done

[sonic zinc]

sin doesnt do shit in 12s

u need mobs to live long for absolute giga sin value

[wooden grotto]

ah ill keep to sub then

[coral pivot]

It does better in lower keys just because it's front loaded

[sonic zinc]

mobs die so fast in 12s sin doesnt get any value

[wooden grotto]

just people telling me to go sin, so guess they looking at streamers or tier list or some other bad shit that low keys dont matter.

[sonic zinc]

yea

they see casual popping 1mil per pack

[frosty cedar]

im not sure what your saying here, are you saying that bad players will do worse on assa? so therefore its more reliable for prog? what if your just not bad? 😄

[sonic zinc]

and lack the context

context being 19s

not 12s

[cobalt tangle]

is vanish + imp garrote much better than playing imp poisons lethal dose and poison bomb? even delaying vanish for the 2min mark?

[frosty cedar]

improved poisons is pretty bad

are you talking about raid, m+?

[cobalt tangle]

raid

[frosty cedar]

you do take lethal dose in the raid cleave build I believe?

as well as imp garrote

[cobalt tangle]

3 weeks ago we were not picking imp garrote and going lethal dose poison bomb, even whisp on video said that, now with the updated raid talent build on wowhead is getting imp garrote instead of secondary poisoning and poison bomb

[frosty cedar]

yeah lots of bugs were fixed

like deathmark not actually doubling bleeds on sims

so imp gar is a lot better now

[royal lantern]

you know how wow players work

[coral pivot]

If you remember SOD RWF where Liquid boomies all played venthyr and Echo's were playing Night Fae. I think the Night Fae play was smart since it was the easiest and most reliable way of getting max output and I think similar of assa and sub

I realise the diference is not nearly as big as back then, but the damage between dances on sub is not that punishing. So I prefer starting on sub rogue, unless the fight is clearly assa favoured. And then if we are lacking boss damage, but adds die fast, there's an option to swap

[royal lantern]

they get 1 or 2 packs where its a shity puull and go "wtf i can never stealth"

same story for 10 years now

[wooden grotto]

keep waiting for the 'more than 3 pack'

[cobalt tangle]

ohh so even losing 1 cast of vanish is worth more than the other build?

[frosty cedar]

yeah, I played venthyr boomy back then, I think that is more a case of 'its unreliable because mechanics can mess you up' rather than it being unreliable in high pressure or execution reasons. sub and assa are both very very easy at the moment to the point where I dont think it matters at all.

[frosty cedar]

do you mean like, holding the vanish for second DM? yeah, essentially. You can do that, or you can use the vanish to extend your first imp gar if you would lose a cast otherwise

[coral pivot]

I can agree with that. It is also personal preference similar to a guy on his main spec is usually better on that than an offspec

[frosty cedar]

its less that your losing a cast of vanish but your opener has the imp gar in deathmark which is great

[coral pivot]

And I play both just to be confident in both

[analog field]

with assa you can't go wrong

if you fuck up dances on sub you do 0 dmg

[golden loom]

@frosty cedar are you gonna play sudden demise on dragons next clear?

[analog field]

assa even afk for some seconds nothing happens

[frosty cedar]

[frosty cedar]

doing it tommorow... now we arent progging I have a special build cooked up

[glad tartan]

like do I want enchant of haste or how do u wanna play this ? all guidse say so

[golden loom]

[burnt lotus]

hey friends u use puzzlebox b4 deathmark right

[golden loom]

surely the void orbs are filtered out soon

[burnt lotus]

also how do y'all pump on cosmos? the boss feels so rough for us

[frosty cedar]

yep

[coral pivot]

Ye, but you also have good time to pay attention to dances since between them you are free to do whatever, kinda

Scuffing assa CDs is also very punishing

[frosty cedar]

hc or myth?

[analog field]

no it is not

[burnt lotus]

hc

we're reclearing and my damage just sucks

mythic is far away

[frosty cedar]

it depends on timers really but my general strategy for hc cosmos is

1. dm + kb first add
2. swap to second add, KB when its low if KB comes up, if not, KB third add
3. in intermission hug alleria near the end
4. garrote her just before she knocks you up, shadowstep down, vanish imp gar, rupture, then CT onto her and alleria before alleria jumps away
5. DM + KB on alleria, CT adds
6. KB allera at some point when it comes up

then its really based on timings. If you can DM + KB at the very start of P3, you will get a second cast, if not, you wont

if im just about to go to p3 I wont do a second cd set in p2, I might kingsbane solely

[burnt lotus]

dude I'm not even running CT lmao thank you so much for this

extremely helpful

love u ❤️

[frosty cedar]

some people dont take it, but I got a r1 hc with it, it depends really. I think its good if you can CT often when alleria and the simulacrum swap

you can get good value this way that isnt just pad

think about when the tanks will swap, consider reapplying dots, and try to position to CT both alleria and the simulacrum before it gets brought away, basically

[burnt lotus]

I was manually applying dots on both during our run and was thinking about how useful CT would be

the whole time

so much envenoms lost and combo points wasted

I'll keep this in mind for next time

the garrote intermission tech is insane

[frosty cedar]

you gotta be quick with it, she jumps away in like 3 globals

[analog field]

yeah ct is weird

[acoustic cypress]

based off of how caustic splatter is written as a talent, is it better to envenom different targets once your dots are up when doing keys or no?

[frosty cedar]

nope, spatter can only be on one at a time

so just focus one guy

[acoustic cypress]

Makes sense, most if not all your nature damage comes from your rotation and not your bleeds

[frosty cedar]

correct, bleeds arent nature so 😄

[acoustic cypress]

so if you switch targets nothing is procing splatter but poisons and envenom

[coral ibex]

he's right

[frosty cedar]

basically, but when you envenom a target, it puts spatter on it and even splashes that first envenom

so target swapping is not awful on fatebound. you just lose the poison procs splashing from your auto attacks in the meantime before you envenom

your highest dmg will just be sticking on one guy

we dont talk about amp poison aoe swapping in here

[viscid spear]

Some day I will be removed from a group I just joined because I hit my macro

But not today

[runic hinge]

When can we tho

[viscid spear]

When Harry Potter defeats You-Know-Who.

Until then

[gilded oasis]

pretty sure that happened

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/spoiler-not-listening-no-spoilers-b99-gif-14042783

[sonic zinc]

spoilers harry is a wizard harry

[gilded oasis]

[sonic zinc]

"you're a wizard harry"
harry is a wizard harry

[gilded oasis]

this changes everything

[foggy moat]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WwxCt7jFbhgGZNDY?fight=12&type=damage-done&source=26

other than sending my CDs on a instakill target, what did i do wrong here? numbers just seem awful always for me

[mental cairn]

I’ve been learning assassination (usually play sub), which raid bosses is assa decent at? I want some good practice but I don’t want to gimp myself.

[narrow nymph]

what u guys consider as good stats % for m+ like how much crit / haste

prolly mastery too

[coral ibex]

whatever raidbots says does the most damage

[viscid spear]

And Hagrid is a hairy wizard

[frosty cedar]

Unironically all of them

[mental cairn]

tyty. I was looking through lorrgs and it looks like dps is pretty similar. Excited to try assa on paladins!

[royal lantern]

you will be glad

because thats a group with Weak Mental then

[real pike]

do we not want regicide reward on dragons?

[viscid spear]

I don't have many silly macros

But I put a lot of effort into them

I love Evil Larry memes

They give me life

[strange onyx]

surely thats better on Nexus King Saladbar

[analog field]

yeah good idea

go play mfo

you cant play voidspire

[strange onyx]

whos gonna tell him

[real pike]

HUH

TOO DUMB TO GET IT

also trying to be in range of both dragons actually sucks

[foggy moat]

Nexus king saladbar is in MFO, Fallen king Saladbar is in VS

[real pike]

wow

[subtle crown]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[shell crater]

how do you guys handle chimeraus? Just put dots on adds then go back to slamming boss?

(thisll be my first time on myth chimeraus so idk how tight the damage check is)

[compact flame]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[gilded oasis]

depends on your comps add damage. I got away with CTing small ones when close and CTing big one, swapping if it was looking tight.
When downstairs was full time on big dude till he went up ofc.

If your overall aoe is lacking though you may have to adjust and do more tho

[shell crater]

gotcha

appreciate it

[gilded oasis]

you may have to start heavy on adds and as people get more comfortable you can swap off too

Also someone better than me could also have a better strat I had like 3 pulls before it was dead cause I didnt prog it

[marble wadi]

can we break fixate from boss on vorasious

[gilded oasis]

ya kill add

I dont think so though

[coral ibex]

yea you can vanish the fixate

[gilded oasis]

muh vanish

[glossy mica]

do you guys know a good cdm profile?

[gilded oasis]

default?

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[glossy mica]

ty

[gilded oasis]

The wowhead article also has some
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/addons-macro-ui-imports

[shut sand]

can u have 2 same embellishments on a piece of gear?

[spice surge]

Not on the same item no, but on two different items you can have the same one

[ripe lagoon]

guys anyone know if will wowanalyzer ever be updated for assa rogue in midnight? if not there is a similar tool to use ?

[pastel seal]

I assume there's no way to macro Blindside's Ambushes into a Mutlilate macro, right?

[spice surge]

You dont need to, the game does that automatically

[viscid spear]

Blindside causes your Mutilate button to become Ambush

Now to vibe until Tuesday

[pastel seal]

Ah gotcha, thanks. Should have given it a go before asking

[flint marsh]

just did a whole 13 on my alt with no poisons on, how much more damage should I expect to do with poisons

[normal mist]

A lot more

You did no kb / envenom DMG

So no caustic as well basically

[deep latch]

Anyone having issue where garrote is not applying mark?

[spice surge]

It wont apply the mark if you already have a mark up elsewhere

Or if the game thinks you have a mark up elsewhere

[deep latch]

oh so many a world bug?

[spice surge]

Well the first thing i posted isnt a bug

Thats intended

[deep latch]

I get that but if my mark applied to a mob evading in egypt

[spice surge]

Ye then you are fucked

[orchid pewter]

ladies and gentlemen we are on the board

[spice surge]

In 2 weeks with .5 you get a button to move your mark though, so that should alleviate most of the issues

[real pike]

bruh is it just me or is CT on the dragio bros ultra sketchy?

feel like sometimes it does nothing, sometimes it does one bleed, sometimes both

and if it fails I press it again without me or the bosses moving and it applies

[versed mica]

Yeah I've noticed that sometimes it only spreads one of your two bleeds, it's really odd

[analog field]

if there are other mobs it could

[versed mica]

It happens in other situations too, but it seems more common during dragons

Also Blizzard's default buff tracker sometimes just doesn't track the apex talent stacks

[humble verge]

[weak isle]

hey! just a question, what makes Sin outshine Subt in vanguard bos mythic? if it is indeed better i'd rather prep a good week on that spec. is there a source to look through why, or someone can explain?

[quaint dragon]

wait forreaal

[humble verge]

sub is just ass on anything more than 2 targets, or 1 main target+cleave for funnel

because you can have permadots and do more damage overall as sin than sub

[weak isle]

so deffo worth practising 3 target rotation for that boss prog?

[humble verge]

tbf

[analog field]

good thing about sub is durability on this fight

[humble verge]

if you are already playing sub and doing well

i would just keep playing it

[weak isle]

idm the swap

[analog field]

also it is like 2.5 bosses

[weak isle]

i've played sin

[humble verge]

changing up and going assa isnt gonna improve anything

[analog field]

so it is borderline

[humble verge]

if you arent like already on par with sub on it in terms of damage, survivability, doing mechanics, uptime

[weak isle]

we start progging next raid so nothing is on par

maybe gear

actually, gear could fk it up. might just ignore sin

[balmy condor]

I think sub is genuinely so shit at 3 target that it doesn't matter

[weak isle]

i hate sub on 3 target

[balmy condor]

so does blizzard

[weak isle]

and we love blizzard

[pulsar coral]

sims are telling me to regem everything master/crit, is that due to the new sim fixes

[weak isle]

we've come full circle

[spice surge]

Good thing subs aoe was nerfed by 25% after m0

So its not good on 3 targets

[analog field]

for how much gain ?

[royal lantern]

good thing they buffed devourer for some reason

[pulsar coral]

a solid 1% if i do all my gems

[analog field]

if it is for m+ sounds reasonable

[pulsar coral]

yes

[analog field]

but Idt it is worth the money

and then on raid you need crit haste probably

[pulsar coral]

im guessing it's because mastery is weighted more because of internal bleeding now

being spread

[analog field]

you have puzzlebox?

[pulsar coral]

yep i do

[balmy condor]

mastery is also just good in aoe

[pulsar coral]

guess ill regem on raid nights 🤔

[analog field]

I mean regemming only for m+ and losing in raid dmg is not worth it imo

[balmy condor]

or just boss damage

[analog field]

also wasting 20k gold or 50 isn't worth it 😛

[balmy condor]

like it ain't that serious idk

[pulsar coral]

muh key parses

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice is a suggestion more than anything

all dungeon sims are whack

dungeonroute sucks, dungeonslice sucks

patchwerk aoe sucks harder than everything else

just how it is

[static glacier]

At that point you better have purchased myth boes

[balmy condor]

gotta put brain into dungeon sims

[analog field]

true but these cost 1m

[royal lantern]

man

im fucking my parses so hard by not going dumb aoe padd brain on all fights

i hate it

[pulsar coral]

even though everyone switched to internal bleeding like weeks ago, i didn't until the guide was updated, because i do as the sims command, feel kinda dumb because it was a decent dps jump

[balmy condor]

yeh the bug is really dumb

[solar wyvern]

They should instead no nerf ib and instead buff canny strikes by a small number

Say 10% crit

Thoughts whispyr???

:^)

[balmy condor]

I think they should fix the bug

[pulsar coral]

they should turn assassination into the rogue healing spec

[weak isle]

[pulsar coral]

what's really crazy is how much outlaw sucks at vanguard

[brave gyro]

they removed the thing where your BF does more dmg per missing target, right? That probably hurts the performance as well

[humble verge]

zac is being forced to play sub

over outlaw

[analog field]

on which boss?

[humble verge]

alleria

[analog field]

he said he would

i mean he is not forced

he just doesn't wanna grief

[humble verge]

i mean its probably gonna be better

p1 burst is insane, im hitting like 450k in p1 at times

before we go intermission

[analog field]

you have how many intermissions in mythic ?

2?

[polar sail]

I need build for raid have crimson to spread bleed for aoe

[royal lantern]

you mean the....raid build in wowhead...?

[thorn thorn]

sub?

[royal lantern]

we had 1 hour prog on dragons

10% pull

fuuuucl

[humble verge]

1

[humble verge]

yes

[thorn thorn]

L

[solid knoll]

do you want to avoid dropping implacable during kingsbane or doesnt change much?

[balmy condor]

you ignore implacable during deathmark because of finish the job

during kingsbane alone it doesn't matter

you're realistically only interested in having envenom up for the first 8-10ish seconds of kb anyway

and you get that kinda automatically with the apex

[rapid dust]

Am I the only one that cooldown manager buff tracker for Implacable does not work properly? It only shows the buff sometimes, but not the stacks I am having and I need to look up at buffs bar to see it 🙁

[balmy condor]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[rapid dust]

thank you @balmy condor

[solid knoll]

ok thanks, on kingsbane without death mark, are you expected to always hit 50 stacks? i find myself hitting 50 fairly late into the duration more often than not

[balmy condor]

yep, it do be like that

deathmark doubles poison applications

so the non-deathmark kingsbane are always going to be a wet noodle

[solid knoll]

ye during deathmark is never a problem, just thought i might be fkn smth

cheers c:

[balmy condor]

[fathom flax]

With or without sauce?

[balmy condor]

the water that condensed on them after you drained the pot

is the sauce in this case

[royal lantern]

you drain the pot??

mf is wasting water

[fathom flax]

In this economy? SMH

[thorn thorn]

Did you ever color your hair like that

[balmy condor]

yes

[earnest remnant]

whispyr thoughts on rewriting the apl to maximize 30 sec burst on assa

xD

[drifting cloud]

[jolly comet]

!UI

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[solar wyvern]

yeah asking for a friend here

[earnest remnant]

i did my own cooking for it but im not assa player

so its probs not 100% correct

[solar wyvern]

yall taking adds into boss?

err

egg

my cook is prebleed add, gate, and CT egg into cds

havent decided on preusing box

gonna fiddle on monday

[thorn thorn]

you are red now

[earnest remnant]

in p2 to egg2 yes

but id not play fcking CT

that seems not great

im also not playing Assa on it right now

but id just pre bleed them build to max so you can insta cds

[balmy condor]

what

[earnest remnant]

dw about it

[tight ginkgo]

Charred

[subtle tundra]

whats really there to optimize on assa though

[earnest remnant]

panda squad goes hard tho

[brave stump]

damn is that the stealthi that just uploaded the mythic crown kill

holy

what a coincidence

[royal lantern]

nah

no raccons in sight

cant be stealthi

[earnest remnant]

the day raccoons gets added to wow

will be the best day ever

[thorn thorn]

I dont like racoons

Their hands are weird

[golden loom]

Vulpera already exists !

[earnest remnant]

thats not a raccoon

[earnest remnant]

so you dont like apes or humans either

same hands

[thorn thorn]

their hands are small

[earnest remnant]

so are yours compared to your body

[thorn thorn]

i have gorilla hands

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-cute-cotton-candy-wash-dissolve-gif-17832451

I do like that raccoons are obsessed with washing food

[earnest remnant]

well yeh, would you eat dirty food?

[thorn thorn]

Its just neat that they always wash it

I like that gif

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-steal-stealing-yoink-seeya-gif-10550534

[burnt ember]

With big AOE pulls are we letting envenom buff drop? Seems to me that it's higher DPS to just cast envenom and forget about implacable. I could be wrong, though.

[balmy condor]

implacable is just energy regen, if you don't need energy regen, you don't trigger it

[burnt ember]

Good point. ty!

[balmy condor]

frowntain check dms

I see you

[vital flicker]

Implacable would be such a better ability if it didn't refresh the timer at max stacks, I know they wanted us to pool but I mean c'mon

[burnt ember]

Oh 100%. Idk who Blizzard is thinking of when they say "we know Assassination players love pooling."

Like... Who?

[subtle tundra]

????????

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[plain thistle]

[burnt ember]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I hate pooling lol

[vital flicker]

I like pooling if it is good

[subtle tundra]

tough luck go play ANY OTHER SPEC IN THE FUCKING GAME

or?

[burnt ember]

Wowzers that's a lot of negative energy about me not liking pooling lol

[runic hinge]

not feral

[keen spruce]

e

[runic hinge]

they pool too

[keen spruce]

me

[subtle tundra]

this is not any bit of negative

[keen spruce]

yeah you haven't seen negative Varas untill he winds you up to the point of writing a letter to the FBI and your local government official

for sactions

[subtle tundra]

fist me

[keen spruce]

yes chef right away chef

✊

[balmy condor]

me

I think assa is too fast right now

[burnt ember]

Lol I'm okay with being in the minority, I don't like it. 'Sin was more fun when it was faster in TWW imo, but I'm aware that may not be popular.

I like high APM specs

[spice surge]

It wasnt faster in tww except in big aoe

[gray horizon]

end of bfa sin was the goat cuz of this

[balmy condor]

yeh, assa is fundamentally not a high APM spec

[gray horizon]

using CT in ST

[thorn thorn]

Hi its me

Im the player that likes pooling

[burnt ember]

Also true

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr

Im gonna play sub

Sub got all that prio damage in keys

[balmy condor]

good on ya

[gray horizon]

hand your sin card in

[balmy condor]

hope you have a guidon

or else it'll play like ass

[thorn thorn]

I am of course jesting

I would never be caught playing sub

assa or death

[muted heart]

This pretty good for a 14 pit with an aug? It wasnt logged

[earnest remnant]

DS sub goes hard for prio

TRUST

[balmy condor]

yep that's pretty decent

[thorn thorn]

The only person in this entire discord I trust to give me crazy advice is Whispyr

[muted heart]

sin feels pretty good now after the buffs

[balmy condor]

||It's literally always felt like this, you're just not doing +10's anymore||

[thorn thorn]

but whispyr assa bar bigger

more deeps in low keys, why assa better now???

[strange onyx]

Assa got buffed?

[muted heart]

on Tues it did

[strange onyx]

Yoo! That’s sick!

What did we get?

[fallow canopy]

Jail time didn't do you any favors

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]

[strange onyx]

Thanks, king 🙏🏻

[muted heart]

Think whisyr is right though the 14 allowed me to pump a little more

[burnt ember]

'Sin is straight up functional and really good rn but I think people aren't using it like purely for psychological and perceptual reasons. Like even I play sub and 'sin back and forth and even though my sub only ends up 5-7k above my 'sin at the end, that big burst damage at the beginning of a fight is hard to give up.

[thorn thorn]

What if they deleted caustic spatter

And buffed poison bomb 500%

[fallow canopy]

Legion ptsd is kicking in

[strange onyx]

Nighthold kinda cook

[thorn thorn]

Poison bomb gamba

[brittle quail]

implacable tracking fix when ?

[spice surge]

What is caustic was kill and bleeds ultra fucked

[brittle quail]

next year?

[thorn thorn]

based eleem

[spice surge]

I wanna sudden demise maxx again

[pastel siren]

Would it be worth investing into it now ? was thinking of making a separate toon for it, mainly played outlaw and sub.

[strange onyx]

On the hour of my third death

[thorn thorn]

What if spatter was only for KB and bleeds mega buffed

[burnt ember]

I'm convinced they will literally never do the obvious thing and let us track both the building buff and the activated buff.

[spice surge]

You absolutely do not need a secondary character to play another spec in current wow

[brittle quail]

i'm convinced they dont know how to do that

[strange onyx]

I geared up two characters to 270 this weekend

There is no need for a secondary char for specs xd

[fiery mauve]

who got the assassination pad build for keys

for 10s

[balmy condor]

the faq and wowhead

more of a "what" than a who I guess

[strange onyx]

Is this true?

[balmy condor]

did the prison system not reform you skoop

[fallow canopy]

Is the prison system supposed to do that?

[strange onyx]

Can’t change perfection

[pastel siren]

I don't play any other class ngl, mostly had fun leveling my two other rogues and gearing them up

only thing that bothers me is gearing to 260 ish

[fiery mauve]

oh my god the pad build is deathstalker i hate it here

[waxen oyster]

kind of pointless having 2 rogues

[strange onyx]

The people needed a hero, so I became it

[strange onyx]

What

[fiery mauve]

oh no

im just bad

and copied wrong one

we're so back dude

[strange onyx]

No worries, friend

[waxen oyster]

wtf is a pad build

[strange onyx]

We all make mistakes

Sudden demise

[light quarry]

sudden demise (its super ethical because they have to die anyways)

[waxen oyster]

useless talent

[fiery mauve]

nah shit pumps in 10s

[light quarry]

played that shit in a 15 and it cranked

[waxen oyster]

why we doing 10s

do 12s

no affix

[solar wyvern]

Well its CT, doomblade or poison application, but those adds are 80% of the fight so having CT is better than youd think

[pastel siren]

I really prefer to level it from scratch and learn the spec

jumping into m+ directly after swapping feels

odd..

[waxen oyster]

You dont learn shit

leveling

[earnest remnant]

doomblade+caustic

is the way

[light quarry]

pushweek lowkey starting soon

[waxen oyster]

whatcha pushing bud

[light quarry]

getting boosted on my rat for next week

[solar wyvern]

I thought that but idk, i think being able to just CT bleeds onto boss leads to probably 1-2 more envenoms on burn

[pastel siren]

what about the gear tho ? ( sorry for my stubbornness )

[earnest remnant]

at most 1

[waxen oyster]

i watched pugs manage to deplete a 10 xenas

[earnest remnant]

unless you dont prepare for the phasing correctly

but if adds are an issue just play sub

(i do think sub is overall better on the fight)

[waxen oyster]

change jewelry

[solar wyvern]

I havent done enough assa on that fight, does boss keep bleeds during intermission?

[waxen oyster]

is assa even better on any boss

[solar wyvern]

^

[waxen oyster]

besides paladins

[earnest remnant]

iirc it does

[solar wyvern]

Oh i c

Then doomblade is probably fine

Well hmm.

Yeah probably

[earnest remnant]

i have some cook rdy for next week that ill see how performs

[keen spruce]

stealthi more like... smellthi amirite

[earnest remnant]

piss off frog

[waxen oyster]

What boss is this for even

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/sussa-gif-5432297967573209335

[solar wyvern]

My cook is that the less gcds in the burn u press a bleed button the better

So ct is good for that

[earnest remnant]

so sub is even better 0 bleed buttons

[solar wyvern]

Hahaha truth

I think assa will do slightly more burn, ahh wish i had more prog time

I was getting 230-240k egg1 burns as sub but ik the egg2 will never be that

Depends how many superchargers i can cheese out in p2

[earnest remnant]

personally i dont think it does

but i also cant even play puzzle box for more burst

as my soak in p1 is demonic

[solar wyvern]

Ive been digging at logs and burn 1 is sub kingdom and burn2 assa is very strong

My soak is out of intermission, with the wall of balls

[earnest remnant]

mine is 18 sec into the fight

[solar wyvern]

Oh the cringe one

[earnest remnant]

so as sub i can just dance on pull

do my soak

go back to boss and press blades

[solar wyvern]

Yeah thats what i was doing - the soak part

Just sblades at 19ish seconds and blow them up

Second sec tec lands on eggs too

Ggez

Then stack sc

[earnest remnant]

i cant pool to much for intermissions yet as our end of p1 isnt clean yet

which usually ends up in us having to kill eggs just as boss is about to phase

[solar wyvern]

Yall should take adds into p1 egg

[earnest remnant]

dont think i really need to pool all that much

after the HP nerf

[solar wyvern]

Hunter dps gain + practice for 2nd egg

Thats what we're gonna be progging for on monday iirc

[earnest remnant]

we did speed run some prog

[solar wyvern]

2nd egg?

Or just beeg burn

[earnest remnant]

2nd egg with pretty much all alive

into insta missed kick

[solar wyvern]

Haha no way

[earnest remnant]

xD

[solar wyvern]

Thats good proggers tho

[earnest remnant]

we got to p2

on our first pull

[solar wyvern]

We had some issues with the balls that converge inward in 2nd phase

And tank movement

But idk i think if everyone is just actively eating balls early

Fight is chill

No real dps race anymore

[earnest remnant]

it is yes

[solar wyvern]

Im gonna be a ball muncher tmrw lowkey

Holding dps forever anyway

May as well be useful

Its actually highkey difficult cause my paladin and dk are sprinting for them too ethical 4 me

[warped kiln]

what do you think about alleria mythic in sin ? dmg to boss looks pretty good vs sub

[humble verge]

had another wipe day on alleria

14% after almost 60 pulls now

shouldve had it

[fiery mauve]

Its cool

[wise hawk]

the public sin log did 255k first burn, probably is just better on both burns

[ocean bear]

If I have improved garrote running on the target, do I throw in a regular garrote at the pandemic window, or do you let it go its full duration before refreshing with a non-improved garrote?

[runic hinge]

full duration

[ocean bear]

thanks

[runic hinge]

np boo

[scarlet wyvern]

what do you guys use atm for dmg meter? Details or something else?

[warped moon]

i use the one in the game

[fickle coral]

its all the one in game anyhow

details is just a skin over the in game one, blizz made it so only their stuff actually works

[minor gate]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-am-free-1

[scarlet wyvern]

for some reason the blizzard design of the dmg meter is very unpleasant to look at

[bright hemlock]

what percent haste are yall at?

[scarlet wyvern]

are there any other "skin alternatives"?

like when i have details on everything looks neat but i feel like details still goes a bit on cpu i guess?

[bright hemlock]

im at 270ilvl with 16% haste. wondering if i should be chasing a bit more than that

[viscid spear]

Now get it on Myth track

[balmy condor]

whatever the sims say my friend

[bright hemlock]

yeah ngl ive been neglecting the retail sims. i simmed in MoP and cata and dont know how to use raidbots lmfao. time to go watch a video

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[bright hemlock]

oh dayum. sick

[minor gate]

https://klipy.com/gifs/don-matteo-s14e04-1

[real pike]

yoo does anyone know of an addon that tells you how many enemies are in range

[shell crater]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1325481954128433162/1493043869128855733/image.png?ex=69dd88f5&is=69dc3775&hm=2079bf77d1d8c75c47bada169811e79cead1cc1fe606cc407b03dd1f22ae44cc& my intermission on chimeraus is fuckin weak, is this a me issue or a spec issue?

[lime edge]

what do u even do against skyreach golems when they target u with beam

its cooked

[severe meadow]

Cloak, probably vanish

[waxen oyster]

"one heal"

[lime edge]

cloak and vanish only work once

they do beam every like 10 seconds

xdd

[severe meadow]

Idk I’ve never died to it xd

[lime edge]

in 17s they do 10 billion damage

if u get 2 u just insta die

1 is like 40% of ur hp per tick

[severe meadow]

Luck issue

[fallow canopy]

elusiveness diff maybe

[lime edge]

someone in my group got 3 and just died instantly

[severe meadow]

I also don’t really push m+ at all

[fallow canopy]

same

[north spruce]

It’s a channel right so could you not break los

[lime edge]

does that work hm

[north spruce]

No idea just a thought

Fight them near the doorways and dip in and out as they target

[peak swift]

any niche burst macros or general macros you guys recommend? havent played assa in forever

[fallow canopy]

Seems about right

[shell crater]

gotcha

[young valley]

Umbral Plume or Puzzle box ? both 276

[north spruce]

Apparently it does work yeah, can’t outrange but los works from my brief research

[balmy condor]

CT and other Bugs

Welcome to the clown show Much like the improved garrote stuff, making a pin and a video and talking about the nonsense from the last couple weeks might be interesting to people. This is not a big update about logic, and these bugs have been reported already.

TLDR:
FOR YOU AS A PLAYER, NOTHING REALLY CHANGES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEORYCRAFTING REFLECTS THESE FOR THE MOST PART. YOU HAVE BEEN PLAYING CORRECTLY.

The fun part:

• Internal Bleeding spreading from CT is in sims now.

This is new and questionably changes things, but should line up with current theorycrafting already. Keep pressing CT in giga pulls or on fresh add spawns in raid to spread bleeds as before. If you're playing something like the weekly key build, you should most likely be trying to ignore fok in those situations with mobs that die instantly, attempting to use internal bleeding more like its own bleed to spread. This is also something to keep in mind for quick dying raid adds like the voidorbs on dragons. You should NOT be mindlessly spamming CT as you will still run out of energy.

• CT is on basically every whitelist, meaning for most people it's doing roughly 95-115% more damage than intended depending on your mastery

Yes, CT is affected by mastery. It's also affected by zoldyck, the 10% on sudden demise, the 20% from implacable, but it's also still counting as a finisher for the purposes of Stratagem talents, and it's also still affected by generator stuff like lethality. It's the total package really. This was also accounted for in sims and part of the reason why CT is so strong.

In a previous pin I talked about some of the other bugs that have been plaguing the spec, either from blizzard's side or from the sims side.

One of the bigger changes, Venomous Wounds has gotten a logic update recently in sims and functions more like energy split between your bleeding targets, with a multiplier for each additional bleeding enemy, so the total keeps increasing with more bleeds. This split is seemingly calculated separately for garrote/rupture. Prior bugs that have been fixed included some talents just straight up not working, deathmark breaking due to a change in blizzard flagging system, and some poison proc issues.

[meager crane]

in a higher maisara for example should I run amp pois/wound or deadly/wound

[lime edge]

hmm cool

i might try

[vernal prism]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[hazy sundial]

What do i even take from this

[balmy condor]

if only I put a big bold TLDR that says exactly what you should take from this

that would be so convenient

[thorn thorn]

That would be sick

[shell crater]

would this result in a large "nerf" upon fix?

[balmy condor]

yes

well

depends on what "large" is

it's in the magnitude of ~3%

which is the buff we just got

[shell crater]

yikes

maybe theyll release a buff to counteract it xD

[fathom flax]

Can’t wait to CT a whole lot more on paladins prog

[desert crest]

Maybe CT was just the friends we made along the way

[indigo sinew]

yo do you need a different keybind for ambush now? didnt mutilate turn into ambush before

[vale shore]

anyone know what "guaranteed yield" is? It seems to be poison damage in a recent fight

[zinc frost]

Nope

[indigo sinew]

nope as in you dont need a diff keybind?

[vale shore]

no, mutilate turns into ambush when blindside procs

[ember relic]

blizzerino pls let us track

[vale shore]

oh haha I found it, guaranteed yield is a loa blessing I grabbed

[frosty cloud]

What add-ons do you guys use to tell when a group is fully dotted

[coral ibex]

my eyes

[frosty cloud]

Ok but when hp bars overlap you can't see everything

[balmy condor]

guess

when in doubt throw out another ct

[spare lodge]

vibe check the target count

[frosty cloud]

I c

[indigo sinew]

i tried ignoring fok on the dummies but ct is kinda eating all my energy 😿

[runic hinge]

I do math

[balmy condor]

why would you do that

[indigo sinew]

i saw the piined post

[balmy condor]

are you sure

[indigo sinew]

maybe

[balmy condor]

if you did, you wouldn't be doing that

[indigo sinew]

something about ignoring fok if youre playing the m+ build no?

[thorn thorn]

[indigo sinew]

did i missundersstand it

[balmy condor]

did you read

the big all caps

bolded message

[thorn thorn]

Might have been a slight misunderstanding

[indigo sinew]

shee my bad but then under it you say this quiteconfusing though no?

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, on fast dying targets like weekly keys for internal bleeding damage, that's a possibility

not on your fucking dummies mate

[rigid fable]

Hey, I’m back on Rogue and was wondering should I just use Crimson Tempest on CD? i mean in aoe

[vale shore]

There is an option to stack enemy bars, instead of overlap them

[vale shore]

what CD?

[frosty cloud]

Hmm

[rigid fable]

like every 60 energy

[cunning needle]

stupid question - does CT apply weapon poisons?

[balmy condor]

yes, at regular rates

[rigid fable]

Like, every time it’s up (and I have enough energy), should I use it?

[balmy condor]

no

[coral ibex]

no you should ct until everything has bleeds then fok

[cunning needle]

can you please elaborate on the benefits of fok > ct? other than energy cost i guess

[indigo sinew]

ah i see what you mean now. basically sniping dmg on a pack if its dying quick

[cunning needle]

like why would you fok instead of ct

[balmy condor]

energy pretty much and that's it

[cunning needle]

noted. thanks

[solar wyvern]

I read the pin and my whole life has changed now whispyr should i press ct or fok if theres 3 adds and the sun is at its apex on a tuesday during rammadan

[runic hinge]

Did you say apex?

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[balmy condor]

ramadan finished last month

[storm forum]

i cant read words that long and caps scare me can someone explain the most recent pin?

[runic hinge]

Ct some Fok some

[thorn thorn]

If only our lord and savior put a tldr

[storm forum]

ty

[fallow canopy]

What if I can't read?

[fallen charm]

if you feel like CT just CT

or if you fill like FoK just fok them

👍

[balmy condor]

if you don't know what to press, you should press CT

boli famously doesn't know what button he's pressing

he's actually blind

and has the chat on a text to speech

I just told you that he has a vision impairment and you're laughing?

[fallen charm]

oh that wasn't a joke

[balmy condor]

I mean, it might be

but boli can't prove it

so might as well be real

[thorn thorn]

Im laughing cuz i know he is faking it

How else would he be able to me

[balmy condor]

he just emotes in braille and it converts obviously

[thorn thorn]

how tf do you emote in braille

is that like crying in french

[balmy condor]

well for example xla in braille is ⠭⠇⠁

[thorn thorn]

how does boli know what to respond to

[balmy condor]

text to speech mate

[thorn thorn]

bro tts reads slower than a 3rd grader

[balmy condor]

he has a screen reader

you can set it faster

okay the bit has died

but now I'm starting to think you've never interacted with a blind person before

[thorn thorn]

I have never interacted with a physically disabled person before

[balmy condor]

I see

[thorn thorn]

The closest was my great grandpa in a wheel chair but he dead

[north spruce]

Wednesday/thursday 6pm server for me

[balmy condor]

yeah accessibility features have come

very far

[north spruce]

Hope my raid leads don’t see that

[thorn thorn]

I see a lot of them but I havent interacted with a blind or deaf person

[balmy condor]

like there's braille keycaps

[thorn thorn]

yo thats kinda sick

[balmy condor]

or you can get like

an attachment thingy

[thorn thorn]

Think I might be cooked

Cuz my next question was gonna be what do they have for deaf people

[balmy condor]

yeah maybe you're just an idiot ngl

[winged gust]

i feel bad for them lmao

[thorn thorn]

We already knew that

[thorn thorn]

I plead innocent

Its not my fault I have never met a physically disabled person

[balmy condor]

I knew a blind guy in college who could legit type faster than me

[thorn thorn]

whats your wpm

[balmy condor]

he had a braille keyboard and was whipping that shit at like 220 wpm

I was floored

[winged gust]

wtf id be insanely impressed

[thorn thorn]

god dayum bro

[balmy condor]

like he was going at stenography pace

[winged gust]

i dont even type at 220

[balmy condor]

I think he had some program that was like halfway to stenography keyboard

where he could braille the sounds or something and it would convert

it was crazy

[thorn thorn]

Have you seen those gamepads that look like hands

[winged gust]

holy shit lol thats next level

[thorn thorn]

Those are weird

[winged gust]

imagine him going to competitive typing and his opponents just see him blind being like "easy win" and then get outplayed

[balmy condor]

250% screen reader and a stenography keyboard bro is doing laps around you

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr you should use these

The gaming grippers

[balmy condor]

make those feet pedals and I'm in

[supple narwhal]

how much crit am i aiming for? trying out sin after gearing sub and have ungodly amount of mastery vs crit

[balmy condor]

whatever the sims say

think most people are like 33-40%

[supple narwhal]

so i should sim statweights or just best in bag?

[fallen charm]

just for for crit gear and you can't go far from acceptable

just avoid vers

[north spruce]

Is there a way to sim for stats without having the gear? Per se for deciding what piece of gear to aim for? As a workaround I’ve just been simming which flask will give the most benefit

[balmy condor]

how does this work

[balmy condor]

just top gear it

[distant reef]

Hi everyone, how are you?

I hope you're all well 🙂

I'm progressing with my guild in Mythic difficulty and we're currently playing Paladins (Vanguard). I'm playing Assassination but I'm doing very little DPS. Can you help me understand what I'm doing wrong in my rotation?

I'm keeping the bleeds on all 3 targets and I'm trying to let the Envenom buff fall off when it reaches 80 stacks.

Please, I don't know what else to do and I'm logging in with a grayed-out score.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v6jgfRPAdJMn3xcK?fight=22&type=damage-done

Sorry if this channel is not for this 🙁

[balmy condor]

you can sim droptimizer or just use the search function at the top of top gear

[north spruce]

Oh yeah droptimizer is a thing ofc

[balmy condor]

okay well there's some weird stuff that I don't really get

[jaunty sky]

I was thinking about getting one of those lmao

Then i bought that razer keypad thing

And hated it

[balmy condor]

like idk why you're pressing CT 3x in a row here, or why there's a mutilate, or a shiv

[jaunty sky]

So i didnt spend 300 bucks to hold hands

[balmy condor]

and then later on you vanish

but then 10 seconds later you apply a normal garrote

and then spread that

so you just wasted the vanish

it kinda just seems like you don't know what button to press so you just press something

in general though this isn't actually that bad

you're just wiping at like 60-30%

before zoldyck and everything

rogue and melee in general already suck on paladins

so like, you're not ever going to compete with 3 mm hunters

or a demo lock

[distant reef]

I understand! Thank you!

Even if we don't wipe, it seems my damage will end up around 120-130k. My goal is 150k

[balmy condor]

if you get some low % kills and don't fix anything, you'd probably end up alongside the paladin

[fallen charm]

I hate having execute cause of that, if you wipe before execute, it just seems like you suck at doing damage

[balmy condor]

150 would be a 90 parse

[distant reef]

Thats my goal, currently i'm parsing 10/20 🙁

[balmy condor]

well currently you're wiping

so the parses are irrelevant

wipe log parses don't mean shit

and you're also not in execute

[fiery mauve]

i cant believe the crimson tempest modifiers

what the

[fallow canopy]

wtf

[balmy condor]

so like, a little more awareness of what generator you're using, not messing up your vanish

[fallow canopy]

where's the camera

[distant reef]

When I get to the execution phase, what should I prioritize?

[balmy condor]

and you're going to be fine

wdym

you play the same

[fallow canopy]

this bench arc is killing me, I've had to play 3 CS2 matches in a row and I'm about to lose it 🥀

[distant reef]

To be honest, I wasn't aware that Assassination had an execute; I never really delved too deeply into that spec.

[balmy condor]

it's kinda the big selling point

[fallow canopy]

[frosty cloud]

Does dragon tempered blades reduce all poison chances or just the second applied poison

[balmy condor]

all

it's a global reduction

[distant reef]

So when we get to the execute phase, do you think my damage will increase?

[balmy condor]

that is how that talent works

[solar wyvern]

It may even increase by 30%!

[half egret]

what kinda macro yall use for tricks?

[severe sparrow]

why am i trash at ass in keys now? we essentially play the same, but spread bleeds with CT now instead of sending from stealth or tabbing around, yeah?

im assuming im sucking at that part but

[north spruce]

One that whispers the current tank and says I’ve not talented into tricks

[half egret]

[distant reef]

Ty guys! Ty Whispyr !
As soon as we kill it, I'll post the log.

Thank you again! 🙂

[winged gust]

bigman mage with the deserter

[rigid fable]

improved garrote can be spread in CT?

[balmy condor]

yes

[misty bobcat]

Guys

is death mark parriable?

[balmy condor]

no

[fluid oak]

if they fix all the ct bugs how much we lose?

[balmy condor]

3%

[rigid fable]

How do you guys track all the adds in a huge pack, like in AA for example, to know if Crimson Tempest has all DoTs applied? So I don’t have to use CT unnecessarily. I’m getting a bit of tunnel vision.

[balmy condor]

you don't

[fluid oak]

i just spam ct until i can see something

but anyway on big pulls i think you are supposed to spam ct

[west crown]

Well good news is there isn’t any unnecessary CT

[fallen charm]

so last week's buff was a preemptive buff for the ct nerf

[rigid fable]

but its better spam FoK right? since you applied all dots with CT

[fallen charm]

you do the math

is 3166 > 4940?

i don't think so lol

[balmy condor]

you ct until everything bleeds

then you fok

[rigid fable]

thats what i thought xD

[fallen charm]

when you have like infinite energy just ct and be happy

[rigid fable]

less energy

FoK

[fallen charm]

yeah but in huge pull and with lust

you have infinite energy

aka the first pull on AA

[rigid fable]

yep

[fluid oak]

yes ct until everything bleed then fok, but in stuff like aa i can't see shit so i just spam ct

[rigid fable]

make sense

[fallen charm]

I just keep and eye for a mob without dots

when I can't see them anynome I start foking

[simple tundra]

This is one of the most metal things I've ever read

[misty holly]

Whispyr, I'm watching the new vid and have a question; does CT spreading Internal Bleeding do so to targets that already have the rupture? And if so is there any value in continuing to press it just to refresh internal bleeding?

Would this have any value in single target?

[wise hawk]

what is the dps difference between flipping all heads in your Cds vs flipping all tails?

[balmy condor]

• yes
• not really
• not efficient enough

[balmy condor]

like 2%?

[fallen charm]

this is insane

I imagine how bonkers it is on a huge pull

[balmy condor]

less bonkers because you can only spread to 2 at a time

so the more mobs you get, the more caustic does, the less everything else does

[fallen charm]

[waxen oyster]

i forgot people actually track the coin buffs

shit is such useless info

[fallow canopy]

knowing how many tails/heads you have is very crucial information

[cunning needle]

0 and 1, this usually doesn't change

[fallen charm]

we need to know if we can pog or not

I was pogging so hard when I had 22 heads on a burst window in TWW

[brave gyro]

this was my breakdown from a +15 in a shit group, not super crazy over the course of a run, but it's nice

[fallen charm]

found it

[barren yarrow]

Do we have to farm for both sub and sin gear? or just get as best we can?

i noticed that my stat weights arent really that off between the two and yet my sims are way more on the side of sub. Like an extra 17k dps on a patchwerk.

[onyx veldt]

guys Potion of Recklessness > light's potential ?

[fluid oak]

well crit and mastery are inverted on the 2 spec so i guess is better have 2 sets

[fallen charm]

I personally don't think recklessness is worth it potentialy loosing 1 or 2 casts on your burst window over 30 agi

[little tulip]

is there a better way to apply poisons right now

[onyx veldt]

i see

[little tulip]

sometimes wound takes amp poison sometimes it takes deadly as far as i can see?

cancelaura wound and just reapply i guess.

[fallen charm]

it takes your oldest

[barren yarrow]

i like playing both, I agree that its inverted. I guess well see what drops this week in raid and then I can figure things out.

[celest ruin]

what is going on with that r1 log on dragons

[zinc frost]

Looks like unethical pad to me

[celest ruin]

im not even sure how that works? hes desyncing dm and kb, thought he was playing ds for lingering but nah

[balmy condor]

40% voidorb damge

[burnt ember]

Any fights where people are going pure single target in the current raids? Doesn't seem that really any of them are that appropriate for it but I could be wrong.

[balmy condor]

vorasius, crown

lura

[burnt ember]

That makes sense, I mean I guess the adds are so short lived you couldn't squeeze much damage out of them anyway?

[balmy condor]

you can argue for caustic/ct on those fights technically since it's so low cost to take though

[burnt ember]

What are you giving up primarily to take caustic?

Imp. poisons I'd guess?

[balmy condor]

yep

imp poison and then razor wire/doomblade

[burnt ember]

Oh those are all easy to lose, that makes sense

I feel that if I needed to give up two I'd rather lose razor wire than doomblade but that probably has more consequences than I think lol

[balmy condor]

generally you drop doomblade cause razor wire/imp gar can be spread with ct

so if you're gonna play ct, you might as well keep razor wire

[burnt ember]

That makes sense too

It would be way annoying to have to use ct so much more frequently

[jolly stirrup]

I am in a dilemma

I was benched for reclear mythic 1 and 2, got back in for Chimmi, we didnt kill yet

We will most likely kill today and move to saladbar

Do I just bench myself so I dont accept the ID so I at least have a vault if we dont kill? (So i can pug 1 and 2 myth)

[brave gyro]

Only if you are sure you'll actually get a group clear 2/6 (and talk it out with your raid lead ofc)

[jolly stirrup]

I mean, Imperator would be enough for at least 1 vault slot

But ye, I will talk to our raid lead tonight

[burnt ember]

What do we think about something like running m+ talents on paladins in voidspire?

[balmy condor]

that is basically what the recommended talents are, yes

[glad tartan]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
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  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[rapid dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dire flume]

whispyr ive woken up for work which means its time for you to go to bed

[balmy condor]

you my mom?

[little tulip]

no

[dire flume]

i can be...

[balmy condor]

[strange onyx]

How many guilds have killed paladins now?

Has it started to become a «free» kill?

[deft vault]

do we ever care about about the coins? llike do we change our gameplay around it or nah? im asking because my WA is tracking the coin flipŝ but that seems useless to me unless theres some optimization im unaware of?

[strange onyx]

Nah

No point in tracking them

Its sometimes fun to see 23 same flip cointosses in a row tho

[opaque shale]

Honestly makes me feel like sonic taking damage lmao

[burnt ember]

Okay last rotational/talent question I promise

With implacable

If I start a fight and have all three thistle teas left and I'm just not really hungry for energy at all, should I wait until I go through all of my teas and actually need energy to start pooling/letting it drop

Or should I be doing that immediately and proactively

[balmy condor]

gonna prefire that you're overthinking it and should just send envenom

without having read any of that

[burnt ember]

LOL

You're probably right

[balmy condor]

yeah I was right

you don't track tea at all

doesn't matter

[burnt ember]

Okay so basically just send the envenom until I would actually like to have the energy regen

[crude helm]

So wait the CT bugs are a dps gain

[balmy condor]

you send the envenom until you hit 80 and won't overcap energy by dropping envenom

[crude helm]

I feel I left the whispyr video more confused

[burnt ember]

Got it. Ty

[balmy condor]

if you can drop envenom and get free energy, you would

[balmy condor]

yes

[zenith flicker]

So talents change again for M+

[balmy condor]

no

[zenith flicker]

We just spam CT more?

[balmy condor]

kinda not really

we were already spamming CT plenty hard by hitting everything with bleeds

[zenith flicker]

If everything has bleeds, we go into FoK or keep pressing CT?

[balmy condor]

you fok

[brave gyro]

https://giphy.com/gifs/misc-predator-fkMACK8BcUJRm

[zenith flicker]

Okay so yea, doesnt really change than.

[balmy condor]

correct

[burnt ember]

Can we talk about algethar puzzle box taking us out of stealth being annoying af? You would think it would be good to use before the pull but like wow it's inconvenient

[balmy condor]

that's what the pin says

[balmy condor]

it's not good to use before the pull

[zenith flicker]

Missed the pin mb T.T

[brave gyro]

i watched your new vid, while waking up in bed, hope you stay strong Whispyr, sending all the love and mental fortitude

[balmy condor]

all gucci

[balmy condor]

I just want one patch where I don't have to deal with insano bugs

[burnt ember]

When are you using it? I have been using it right before deathmark but I was thinking of moving it to before pull because that's what other melee classes often do, woops