assassination

[scarlet meadow]

One target still sims ~ 1.6% higher on 2x scent. Probably I’m just doing something wrong and I’ll ignore the sims

[solar wyvern]

That is def wrong

Dashing is an insane talent

[golden loom]

can u link da sim

[scarlet meadow]

Went out to brunch I’ll link it when I get home if it doesn’t get lost in the comments lol

[solar wyvern]

Best i can suggest is take off amp poison and keep running dtb

And just run a utility talent in its stead

[hazy sundial]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[arctic tusk]

why is plater not recommended

heavy cpu usage?

[vestal wren]

plater had and probably still has a lot of issues

it was not very reliable during the initial months of midnight/pre patch

[jolly stirrup]

[vestal wren]

so its generally not recommended

[jolly stirrup]

holy tip

[arctic tusk]

gotcha cant say ive noticed any problems but i prob wouldnt notice them if they occured lol

[vestal wren]

i assume most of them got fixed, and it might be fine if you clean install and re-configure everything now

midnight is a bit of a roller coaster in terms of addons and functionality

many addons i tested or used either miss functionality or cause lua issues or other problems

which it (to me) still feels like in need of another half a year or more before we get back to a more stable enviroment

like we had before midnight

[analog hedge]

unrelated question, is there no spark catch up?

[vestal wren]

i would assume you get sparks as usual by killing raid bosses, i don't have alts which are behind tho so never tested if it still works like that (tho don't see why blizz would change it)

[analog hedge]

oh?

bet lemme try

[analog hedge]

mb im illiterate

🙏

[vestal wren]

should get spark catchup from delves and m+ too, so its not only raid bosses

[golden loom]

and instanced pvp !

[vestal wren]

but geat if we could help 👍

[warm vortex]

Curious

how nutty would it be if kingsbane was uncaped again

[fresh umbra]

Hey guys, new to Assa this expansion but played last last season. Started as Sub in Midnight doing mostly M+. Am close to 3k but gameplay loop started to get blend and with the latest Assa tweaks, I decided to try it out. I am, however, seem to be very badly underperforming with it. Dont have run logs just yet but did an AA10 yesterday and finished under 100k overall...dont think I ever did that bad as sub.

Building muscle memory on training dummies, I cannot get over 60k ST over a 4:00 period at 275 ilvl (albeit no on-use trinkets yet, pbox does not exist), That seems very low. Cleave AoE is also very underwealming compared to Sub. Part of it is Sub burst profile and part of it is me misplaying but I am trying to understand if there is anything obvious I am missing

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/phya/

will be trying more keys tonight and get some logs. I am trying to log dummy runs but its not working well

[split laurel]

How good is the 2% buff to caustic spatter in the update?

[split laurel]

10s are very low keys, use the sudden demise build since most mobs won’t live longer than 14-16 seconds let alone 30 seconds for improved garrote

You can do 140k overall with sudden demise in lower keys

[fresh umbra]

Just did a self buffed 5 target cleave 5 minute run and finished at 215k...again a bit lower than I would expect but not as bad

[split laurel]

Play style is a bit different, you have to be quick about reapplying your bleeds and spreading them as fast as possible when your targets are at 35% hp or lower.

[golden loom]

On target dummies?

Cause those are gonna be perma in execute range

[split laurel]

That is not super accurate

[fresh umbra]

yea very true, most of them were not but funnel was

[viscid spear]

Got Salhadaar neck in cache

[trim cairn]

What is the spellID of the implacable energy regen bufF?

[split laurel]

Because of zoldyck recipe it makes the dummies unreliable

[split laurel]

1265385 I believe

[trim cairn]

Problem is it seems like its the same spellID for both the buff you are building up and the resulting buff you get when it drops?

[split laurel]

1265391 try that

[trim cairn]

Both of them are tracked as the same looks like

Idk I just want to separate it so the buff tracking doesnt just commit seppuku when they overlap

[frosty cedar]

u cant fix it, its cooked

[trim cairn]

How is it possible that the buffs can be separate on the buff bar in that case?

[split laurel]

You should be able to track the essential cd for the in game tracker and it will show you the % until you let it fall off and then it will show the regen buff

Never had an issue

[bleak sun]

Hey mates are we crafting neck or boots as 3rd item ? Got both hero track slots

[split laurel]

Boots give main stat if you are going for early myth and there are very good options for neck in dungeons if you don’t get bis

Maybe that’s not 100% accurate without a sim check, but main stat is king so idk

[acoustic birch]

what if we were sub before and went belt over wrist?

is wrist correct for third?

[spice surge]

Get whatever sims the highest for you

[trim cairn]

Thing is who tf cares about tracking the actual energy regen buff compared to the energy regen buff stacks 😛

So if anything it should just never bother tracking the actual energy regen buff and only the stacks

[split laurel]

It does both lol if you are only worried about the stacks then it is the buff icon that shows up first and literally shows you the % on the icon. The duration one only appears after you let envenom fall off. They aren’t simultaneously appearing

[trim cairn]

You can have both up at the same time

And when that happens the stacks wont track after that

[split laurel]

Are you using an addon like eqol buff tracker option to create a weak aura?

[trim cairn]

No just tried the builtin CDM which had this issue, tried a couple others which also had the same issue

[split laurel]

Enhance quality of life addon might allow you to track the % all the time when it’s active.

So that it doesn’t disappear

[trim cairn]

I'll try

[ornate kelp]

Is anyone is the same situation where guidon sims better than puzzlebox on dslice ? how does haste sim better than such a large boost to mastery ?

seems weird

[thorn thorn]

Robot is an agent of chaos

[analog field]

for me not even for sub does it sim better

hero puzzle is better than myth guidon for m+

weird that it prefers guidon

[ornate kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7AZuoJmr44We2whmbtmQLN

[split laurel]

Your stats or talents must be way off, mine sims at 126k for dslice at 273

[ornate kelp]

That's with 0 buffs

only bl

[split laurel]

Yes, lust and normal consumables

Do you not have consumables factored in? They should always be available

[ornate kelp]

yes i got potion oils and flask/food

weird

what does your stats distribution look like?

[rain mortar]

Is shiv no longer used for dmg in midnight?

[stable pasture]

Is there a haste softcap for assa?

[split laurel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/borean-tundra/Dâggèr

I’m not home, idk if you can see the armory from there

[balmy condor]

you're simming 126k with only consumables and lust?

I uh

I would like to see that

[split laurel]

Unless the raidbots reset the settings

But I set it for lust only in dslice

[ornate kelp]

yeah i checked on the char page i got more mastery but i raid as sub but i still dont see how haste is such a boost

[balmy condor]

cause I'm at 115 and I'm nearly 280

secondary stats alone cannot make up an 8-10% gap

[thorn thorn]

Is that dslice or patchslice

[balmy condor]

like from worst stats imaginable to best stats imaginable that gap is around 5%

[thorn thorn]

pieslice

[balmy condor]

so something's fishy

[split laurel]

It’s possible that the settings were off. I was simming flasks last night

[trim cairn]

I must be doing something terrible since I'm only simming 99k on dungeonslice with 270 ilvl 😛

[craggy plank]

Hey guys ! Do you have an addon to track within a pull if you have applied bleed to all the target ? I’m using platynator and it’s quite messy to know if I can switch to fan of knives

[split laurel]

I put it on dungeon 5 min 1 boss

I’ll sim it again when I get home and post it. Whatever it is. @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

[lime edge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dyhJHP4uuTgDQyRk7ECSmr
This is mine

114k too

[balmy condor]

yeh I'm guessing it just flipped buffs back on

no biggie

[gray sinew]

Is the tracking in CDManager for Implacable spotty? I feel like it doesnt always show how many stacks i have in cd manager

[ornate kelp]

ok so i'm not so far then guess i'll trust the robot

[trim cairn]

It doesnt

If you ever overlap the active regen buff with the stacking buff

[fallow canopy]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[trim cairn]

It wont track the stacks until you drop both the stacks and the active bug

[gray sinew]

lmao there is a command for it

Large Corporate Dev

tyty

[viscid spear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

We're thorough

[trim cairn]

Crazy how its only a <1% loss when you sometimes end up sitting at max stacks forever

[coral ibex]

@balmy condor i know weapon damage is insanely valuable so im just using the tbc sharpening stones but how can i actually sim the diff between them and phoenix oil

im a simc noob

[patent swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[analog field]

I mean if you don't need energy (which in aoe can happen) why should it be a loss

[thorn thorn]

me when a pooling mechanic is insignificant to use because they forgot to make pooling a thing

[balmy condor]

they're not implemented in simc cause they pre-date sims

[trim cairn]

Cause if you are spamming CT instead of FoK like people say here then you end up being out of energy pretty often 😛

[balmy condor]

it's 0.8% from my napkin math

[coral ibex]

ty pookie

i was eyeballing something similar

[balmy condor]

we don't spam CT, we cast it until everything has bleeds

[split laurel]

Only do that when you are spreading bleeds

[thorn thorn]

What if fok just threw a poisonous knife at all targets in range

[balmy condor]

that's kinda what it already does

[thorn thorn]

I mean in the very literal sense, it just hits every enemy with the poisonous knife ability

[balmy condor]

you want to nerf fok?

[thorn thorn]

[lime edge]

Hey man

Now it would have 100% poison chance

[coral ibex]

i mean why is shuriken storm allowed to generate 1cp per target hit but fok isn't

[balmy condor]

shadow clone jutsu magic

[coral ibex]

on thursday night at one point i pressed fok 4 times to generate 5 cp

i almost just walked away from my pc

[thorn thorn]

despair.

[lusty kraken]

Need more crit

Unlucky

[split laurel]

Crit

[balmy condor]

he doesn't need more crit

[thorn thorn]

just be lucky bozo

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

it's 50% chance

crit or you don't

[lime edge]

[analog field]

how does this guy has 38

we all have 50

[thorn thorn]

He didnt get the memo

[split laurel]

Then just crit more lol

[balmy condor]

nooj is a known sandbagger

that guy ain't got gear

[analog field]

what is the name of the consum ? is it in AH? haven't checked

[coral ibex]

its true, i play really badly on purpose

[thorn thorn]

So bad that he gets orange parses and is still below the demolocks green parsing

Filthy sandbagging

[coral ibex]

adamantite sharpening stone

[frosty cedar]

aw hell nah have I missed out on tech

[coral ibex]

they're 157 gold each

[analog field]

75 now

[analog field]

80*

[coral ibex]

tbc consume btw

xd

[thorn thorn]

we cannot be for real rn

[split laurel]

0.8% is 0.8% lol

[analog field]

yeah i bought 100 just now, they will hotfix it in 5 sec

i got you guys

[coral ibex]

they also only last 1hr compared to 2h oils

so technically 2x as expensive to use

[thorn thorn]

Im calling john blizzard rn

[coral ibex]

at least for me, oils are 130 gold

[thorn thorn]

Yall are cooked on monday

[coral ibex]

so 130 gold for 2h or 340 gold for 2h

[analog field]

you are too rich, i use the rank one like 10g

[analog field]

i bought them 80 g now

so 160

kinda same

[coral ibex]

keeps going up

you mfs need to fuck off

[lime edge]

im gonna transfer to your server

and buy all of them

[split laurel]

Stop talking about it xD

[gray sinew]

lmao

[analog field]

google is listening

[coral ibex]

wait lemme see if they're cheaper on illidan

[balmy condor]

aren't they commodities

[coral ibex]

im on a dead cluster

[balmy condor]

should be region wide AH

[coral ibex]

oh is vov1nho european

[analog field]

ah yeah

[coral ibex]

i assumed brazilian tbh

[analog field]

xd

[coral ibex]

bc inho

[analog field]

we were once 10 years old bro

[thorn thorn]

@blizzarddev this post right here

[analog field]

we didn't start out as 30

[balmy condor]

it's a little insane that they haven't fixed it yet

[thorn thorn]

multidollar company

[lime edge]

im not even 30 bruv

[fallow canopy]

They'll fix it with implac

[balmy condor]

I know it was reported like 2 months ago

[latent escarp]

are non-lethal poisons also triggering leathal dosis talent bois? 🤔

[balmy condor]

stuck in traffic surely

[balmy condor]

yes

"weapon poisons"

[gray sinew]

would love to see a sim on the adamantite sharpening stone becuase that does seem a little huge

[brave stump]

WHISPYR I HAVE QUESTION

@balmy condor

I have clip couple messages after

It wasnt always like this no?

[split laurel]

@balmy condor it had them on. I’ve been duped 🙁 maybe I swapped for raid sim or something and forgot to reset to 0

[balmy condor]

it calculates from you, but it's not picking targets from proximity

[balmy condor]

[brave gyro]

Oh we play internal bleeding in M+ now?

have I been throwing with Canny Strikes?

[balmy condor]

we play internal bleeding everywhere

[brave gyro]

that's good news to me, i was already smoking ppl in the keys

[lime edge]

i remember when internal bleeding was pvp talent

[balmy condor]

canny strikes I think it better after uh

12 targets?

10?

[brave gyro]

they complimated my dmg (Thanks all your efforts @balmy condor )
and my transmog (thanks to me)

[balmy condor]

too many numbers to remember

[balmy condor]

don't thank me

thank the community for being delusional and dooming assa

[brave gyro]

15/16s its blasting, im really enjoying it

[balmy condor]

its blasting in 20's

it's a good spec

people just hyped up sub for the last 2 months

[brave gyro]

I am solo scrubby, i go for whichever pug takes me

i just gained 3k dmg on dungeon slice with internal

[solar wyvern]

To be fair, sub would be absolutely batshit op if they didnt nerf bp by 10%

[balmy condor]

cap

[solar wyvern]

And nimble by 35%

Bro i did some heinous shit on beta ik for a fact that shit was cookin

But yeah assa always was sleeper

Shoutout 60% keyoverall graveblade damage

Im still wondering when DS overtakes fatebound.... maybe just for bait n switch lowkey

[brave gyro]

probably the 6 buffs in a row helped

[solar wyvern]

Seat may be a DS required key xd

[balmy condor]

you mean the 2 buffs

that didn't really do anything

[solar wyvern]

Last buff just pushed assa into OP territory imo, it was good before

3% aoe is just what the doctor ordered

[brave gyro]

It gave me hope

[balmy condor]

W cope

[thorn thorn]

stop the cap

[brave gyro]

but buffs/cope aside, assa is really enjoyable rn for me

🌞

[spice surge]

Tbf they nerfed it by like 20-25%, not 10%

[frosty cedar]

assa was always op since the start

[humble verge]

finally peepo

[solar wyvern]

The 8% into 6% into 5% into 10% nerf went crazy style ong

[spice surge]

Well the 10% was also pp nerf

Which was bigger than 10% in high end m+ cases

[brave gyro]

pp nerfs

[solar wyvern]

I kinda wonder how crazy sub would be if all the % nerfs it got on beta were just reverted

[brave gyro]

probably less than some of the other classes xd

[solar wyvern]

Dank

[solar wyvern]

I dont think so bro it caught a LOT of nerfs

Didnt it get 8% into 6% aura nerfed

[spice surge]

Professional hater

[brave gyro]

are you comparing it to only how classes are now? Because some others got 20% aura nerfs

[balmy condor]

I been saying assa is a banger since before midnight was in metzen's womb bucko

[spice surge]

This tier is just a tale as old as time, people play sub early tier then assa gets buffed and/or sub gets nerfed

[brave gyro]

And outlaw? 😄

[analog field]

does this tbc consum fade away when you die ?

[balmy condor]

no

[high dust]

rogue only has two specs

[analog field]

ah lol i just cant read my buffs

[solar wyvern]

sauce the tech ty

[balmy condor]

you can apply tbc whetstones that are like 0.8% better because blizzard fucked the scaling

[high dust]

,....wait WHAT

which ones

[analog field]

adamantine sharpening stone

[balmy condor]

well, to your mainhand

applying it to your offhand is grief

[analog field]

ah really

so one and one ?

[balmy condor]

well it's weapon damage

[analog field]

y true i am not using brain at the moment

[balmy condor]

ability damage only works from main hand weapon damage

[high dust]

so... time to buy some of them right

[polar sail]

Is there more class tunning or prev one was the last?

[balmy condor]

last week was the last scheduled

next one is start of may

[polar sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1486152563371016261/00-4x.gif

[balmy condor]

what

[thorn thorn]

Wrong reply cuz discsord is weird

But oh well

[brave gyro]

I like the spec

[balmy condor]

bro starin at me like I said something weird

[high dust]

people see devourer or some shit and whatever specs isnt at that level are "bad" for them.

[stable pasture]

can someone link me their st sim?

[brave gyro]

i just wish it didnt take a whole flask duration to get into groups

[lime edge]

i still havent seen a good devourer in m+

[severe meadow]

[lime edge]

[fallow canopy]

📈

[polar sail]

when they said that

[solar wyvern]

this thing?

[fallow canopy]

Ye

[severe meadow]

ye

[solar wyvern]

and how does it fuck with scaling exactly.

i am curiouso

[high dust]

4 weapon dmg being better than ...13 crit was it? i dont remember

[analog field]

yeah something like this

more dmg

[severe meadow]

Ability damage scaling I guess

[high dust]

i guess cause 4 weapon dmg its too much for something from TBC

[analog field]

but only on MH as whisp said

[balmy condor]

they announced it in february

After these key dates we will have several check-in passes planned roughly a month apart.

[solar wyvern]

its .8% better compared to oil or .8% overall increase?

[high dust]

i guess compared to oil

[balmy condor]

0.8% overall increase, nearly double the value of an oil

[solar wyvern]

wowee very large and incharge then

[balmy condor]

and hotfixed literally any minute

[ruby birch]

yo on that bird boss in spire

[fallow canopy]

TBC blacksmiths getting rich

[solar wyvern]

yeeeee

[ruby birch]

can tornado bug out and be invis

few people telling me that happened to them

and it just happened on my mw

[heavy sentinel]

dont fall for it whispyr just made a bunch of them and put them on the AH he wants us to buy them

[ruby birch]

but wanna make sure im not tripping

[thorn thorn]

did u see that people are putting thorium spike on their shields

[solar wyvern]

theyre like 100 gold

kekw

[thorn thorn]

A whooping 9 damage when you block

[high dust]

so...cheaper than rank 2 oils

[heavy sentinel]

but if we convince every rogue to buy them thats like 3000 gold in profit

[analog field]

they are 1h though

so a bit more expensive

[bitter jolt]

Guys are there ANY addon that can reliably track apex talent? Blizzard one sucks ass and its always broken after first usage ¯_(ツ)_/

[spice surge]

Not really no, they all use the info from the blizzard one

[hollow river]

Bro they borked literally everything my god

All the weapon chains, some pyrium shield thingy for tanks

Oh the old soul bound glorious tyranny weapon enchants too

Can’t even buy them shits

[kindred breach]

guys, i am getting back to assa and dont know about this one : suposing we finish pack, my kb is back up, and we take like 20s to reach next pack. Do I still send my KB and delay the next DM by 20s or do i hold KB until DM is up?

Like, is there a time threshold where using KB is a loss because of the desyncronyzing?

[analog field]

yeah it is kinda shit. I have started sending KB and then sending a lone DM if i think that i dont want to wait another 20sec to have kb back up

Idk how correct that is

[kindred breach]

yeah, i hold if its 30s or less until next DM. But even here holding DM for 30s feels like a loss

[analog field]

If you have lost only 10 sec you surely wait but like for 20-30 sec

yeah feelcrafty I agree

also dpeends on the pull and if it is dangerous etc

[hazy sundial]

pit +10 at 265ilvl

[onyx falcon]

testing our Sin in midnight, is the implacable buff tracking kinda wonky? sometimes it jsut tracks the eng buff and doesnt track the stacks

[gilded oasis]

!bug

!buff

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1340517677973635152/1484704581362651366/image.png?ex=69bf3264&is=69bde0e4&hm=d107345329547c4c2447c754851eb4e9e5751085af4bff69a8e80a3fd6011f31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[gilded oasis]

its somewhere

I know it

!implacable

!Ihatewhispyr

[plain thistle]

!apex

hmmm

[severe meadow]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[gilded oasis]

its bugged it doesnt track correctly

damn that was my next shot

[onyx falcon]

AH kk ty ty

[onyx falcon]

honestly this was the better command

no one tell whispyr i said that

[gilded oasis]

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor you see the old guy who bowled a 300 in his second set and died before he finished the 3rd?

[glad vessel]

teeny tiny qustion u still wanna envenom before KB or deathmark yea? nothing changed from before

[grim jay]

That was a sneakpeak of Whispyr on his last day

In like 70 years

[balmy condor]

Ye

[balmy condor]

Yes

[runic hinge]

What a way to go eh?

Man was probably bricked up as fuck

[balmy condor]

It’s one step under dying to a heart attack on the beach after your fourth white monster

But it’s pretty good regardless

[glad vessel]

thanks again pookie

[balmy condor]

Np

[last moth]

I just love how whispyr still got the roll „new Member“😅

[rugged basalt]

gm

[red schooner]

Pretty much everyone has it.

I have no clue how it works

[balmy condor]

it's just the default role

[plain thistle]

i dont have, im older than whysper

[rugged basalt]

we're tourists

[bleak star]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[opaque shale]

does anyone have a reliable implacable buff tracker. I am capping my dps because wow's cooldown manager doesn't track all instances of implacable and I sit at 80 stacks without realising

[gilded oasis]

nope just look at your buffs if you need to

[opaque shale]

sad, it usually happens after every other implacable proc. the first one I can see but when I drop envenom, the next implacable stack won't show as I think it is confused due to it showing implacable as the energey regen instead

[gilded oasis]

yeah its just bugged

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[opaque shale]

i can't count to 5 I'm a dps main XD

[gilded oasis]

I just count to two twice and then one

[opaque shale]

what do you do whilst waiting for envenom to drop?

just auto/refresh bleeds if needed

[shell crater]

in m+ do you make a point of having every single mob with bleeds? I find that on big big pulls i never get a chance to FoK XD

[gilded oasis]

mutilate, rupture, stand there

[raven phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ccGjar4Es

[gilded oasis]

idk I ct env until it doesnt feel good then I fok env and maybe ct again if I feel like it

works out fine

[runic hinge]

Same

[candid jasper]

My sim is showing berserker x2 is worse than acuity of the ren'dorei - are they that close?

[rugged basalt]

ok im full of shit

skyreach lowkey clean asf for me now

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7KK7YCpiFSj6xAj6dRi3qs we finally hit the coveted 6 number sim

🥲

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow

Your guildied backed down from a challenge

To make something horrible

And left it to someone else

[rugged basalt]

real shit

noticing that the spec isn't right

[severe meadow]

Hm?

[native heron]

Is there any resolution to the com bugging out and not tracking our apex talent consistently?

[balmy condor]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[shell crater]

Couple questions peeps:

Firstly, in a big pull on m+ do I wanna make sure every single mob has bleeds or is there a point where spamming CT is doing more harm than good?

Secondly, implac - if im high energy but max stacks I presume I wanna just keep spamming and refreshing until my energy goes lower and then leave it?

side question: When you do let it drop is it better to cast nothing or just do like, mutilate or smth?

Oh and lastly, is there some kind of proc I wanna fish for for envenoms? I feel like when I look at logs other peoples envenoms are hitting way harder than mine. For context im 275 ilvl so its not an undergear thing especially when people about my ilvl are hitting envenom crits for like 220k+ when my max is 150k

[low hare]

you sure that isnt on fights with damage buffs?

[shell crater]

I used averzian as an example for both my log and the log im looking at

[solar wyvern]

bros...

remember when some idiot with a monk profile pic said "ya probably magisters and skyreach and maybe nexus are sub keys

ermmmm

NevermindXDDDD

[midnight mist]

arms would do twice your dps noob

[solar wyvern]

Arms is a paddy mc padder paddington!

[midnight mist]

ye sure bro

[solar wyvern]

Also we wiped so it could be higher!

[midnight mist]

explain to me why my arms is highest on every boss no cap

[solar wyvern]

Farover gap

[midnight mist]

pad spec and then its assa tww 2.0

[solar wyvern]

Simply built diff

[midnight mist]

cause you just bring 2 mobs to funnel on boss

and they do thanos st

[solar wyvern]

Dw bud 5% aura 1% bladeflurry buff are on the way

Surely

[thorn thorn]

Who let zac out of containment again

We really gotta have a talk with his wrangler

[midnight mist]

you mean 5% aura 10% bf nerf?

[solar wyvern]

Surely they wouldnt compensate nerf bf a 5th time!

[midnight mist]

no wae !

buff assa instead !

[solar wyvern]

Lets get it all the way to 6%

Thoughts???

[midnight mist]

gege !

[waxen oyster]

waiting for someone to complain

that assa doesnt do more

in their +10

[thorn thorn]

oh shit you run with kiggly

Thats neat

[solar wyvern]

Kig is my goat

[midnight mist]

assa is such a weird spec

[solar wyvern]

The 3m dps healer of ttw

[midnight mist]

being so bad comparatively in low keys

vs actual very high keys

is really something

[waxen oyster]

i mean its a dot spec

with no refund if your dots expire early

[midnight mist]

idk how much of it is dot spec

vs your cd being a targeted nuke

and if target dies

you lose cd

[solar wyvern]

Dot spec that performatively increases its priority damage the longer a pack lives

[midnight mist]

which happens on every key level till legit 25 bro

[solar wyvern]

Very strong profile

[waxen oyster]

i mean dots do alot of your overall rn

dont they

[solar wyvern]

Ye its like 35%

[midnight mist]

me when my assa rogue didnt get his full cd off on a 24 caverns first pack

(key was too low )

[solar wyvern]

Thats why u play 2 prio mobs and say healer heal

Smile

[waxen oyster]

average person asking what spec to play

is capped at 10-12

let's be fr

maybe 13-14 with turbo

[shell crater]

How many mobs would you keep dots on in pulls? All of them?

[solar wyvern]

All of them

Even little bitches

[calm grail]

Wish on giga pulls I could see clearly when everything has bleeds

[shell crater]

Spamming CT drains real quick and by the time i have them all dotted garrote is gonna run out so I have to reapply all over again 😂

[shell crater]

Literally this

[midnight mist]

imagine you could havbe plates changing colors when you have dots on them

would be crazy

[solar wyvern]

Yeah but if youre in a gigapull ur infinity energy so just press CT since its more damage anyway

[solar wyvern]

Next youre gonna tell me to whitelist/blacklist debuffs

[shell crater]

I beg your finest fucking pardon

[solar wyvern]

Psh

[shell crater]

That’s a thing,

?

[solar wyvern]

Not anymore

[midnight mist]

no lol

it was

back when the game was good

good times bro

[calm grail]

Okay I was about to say

[shell crater]

🙁

[calm grail]

"Shit, did I miss something?"

[midnight mist]

i had my nameplate border color change based on bleeds on target

[solar wyvern]

Dw bro exwindd tools is getting nuked in 2 weeks

[shell crater]

My hopes and dreams lay shattered upon the ground

[midnight mist]

and my debuffs were all hidden till it was close to pandemic

was a banger

[solar wyvern]

Api update xd

[midnight mist]

ye

i mean idc myself i dont track other people cds

i think its shit for healers tho

[calm grail]

I just wanna know WHO HAS BLEEDS without inspecting all the plates

[midnight mist]

i dont understand how healers are supposed to play

high keys

witout tracking cds

[calm grail]

But it';s not a huge deal in reality

[midnight mist]

well i mean you are supposed to be in voice

nerf to us

[shell crater]

Come to think of it there’s no tuning post yet so I presume there’s no tuning this week?

[balmy condor]

not until early next month

[calm grail]

They're adding Marked for Death back to Outlaw and deleting blade flurry.

[midnight mist]

but then mdi will start

so it will be too late for tuning

gotta wait end of mdi

[balmy condor]

well yeh, it's gonna be 12.0.5

[midnight mist]

i heard mdi chains into great push after that

[shell crater]

I wanna get into following mdi

[balmy condor]

and then tuning a couple weeks after

[midnight mist]

so it would delay tuning a bit more

[shell crater]

Any rogues in there?

[calm grail]

I doubt it

[waxen oyster]

shindig is playing dh

[balmy condor]

yesn't

[waxen oyster]

better class

[balmy condor]

there's rogues, but MDI rules mean you can't one trick

[midnight mist]

but i mean after that the season is over 2 weeks after so no poiint tuning anymore

[midnight mist]

best rule they added no cap

[waxen oyster]

playing rogue in mdi is kind of trolling

[calm grail]

Sometimes I feel like we're still paying for BFA Sin and Outlaw.

[waxen oyster]

ngl

[solar wyvern]

Bro how are healers supposed to play when

[midnight mist]

now instead of every team being the same comp and having the few one tirkc comps

you only have every team being the same comp

[waxen oyster]

is mdi still

[midnight mist]

and the one trick comps cant play anymore

[calm grail]

You know Zac, at one point in time running three Outlaw was meta.

[waxen oyster]

echo shitstomping everyone

[calm grail]

So now you'll never be good again.

[midnight mist]

i dont actually

[waxen oyster]

3 outlaw was literally one season

[midnight mist]

i wasnt born by that time

[waxen oyster]

at best

[shell crater]

I need to watch some Assa kill videos and try and learn shit

[calm grail]

The fact it ever existed is wild.

[midnight mist]

we changed route nowe we skip all the shredders

[shell crater]

I’m only getting about 80-85 passes atm so I gotta fix that lol

[waxen oyster]

it barely existed

[midnight mist]

thats how you play game

[waxen oyster]

2 outlaw 1 ww was better

often

[solar wyvern]

Even the 3 that spawn at start of 3rd area?

Based

[midnight mist]

especially those

we shorud that entire area

after boss

[solar wyvern]

So based

[midnight mist]

so we never have hard mobs + shredders

[solar wyvern]

Someone gets it thank god

[balmy condor]

yeah I get why they did it, but it's kinda like formula 1 rules. At one point is was the best cars and strategies for tires and fueling and then you couldn't fuel and then you only had so many tires and so many engines and you couldn't tune and then they banned like 300 different things and it kinda wasn't interesting to me anymore

like at some point it just takes away from the excitement of seeing people push the keys to the limit

because now they got some bullshit regulations

[midnight mist]

idk i think this rule is cringe and doesnt change anything

[shell crater]

Btw when do bonus loot drops come in? 22nd?

[midnight mist]

day 2 everyone is back on all the same comp anywya

[worn monolith]

genuine question, not trying to troll: what is the strength of assassination in a key over Sub? Because right now it feels like sub has everything covered except maybe 2-3 target cleave

[midnight mist]

but you eliminated the wox team that played their one tricks

cause they arent allowed to play day 2

[balmy condor]

insane prio damage

[midnight mist]

gg

[waxen oyster]

wow players think mdi balance

matters for their 10-12 keys

🤣

[midnight mist]

i mean sin legit does more damage at every target count also ?

and more st ?

that might be the strenght of sin

[thorn thorn]

@solar wyvern

[balmy condor]

less ST I think

[thorn thorn]

I guess you now have a fan

[midnight mist]

really

unlucky

but thats fake

[balmy condor]

sub plays raid build with like 2 talent swaps

[midnight mist]

you just take funnel on every boss in high keys

[balmy condor]

assa still has to swap like

8 talents

unlucky

[midnight mist]

ye

but ye doesnt matter

[worn monolith]

sub's got insane prio

[midnight mist]

just get funnel on every boss

[balmy condor]

???????????

[midnight mist]

sub got insane prio

i see

[waxen oyster]

bro what

[balmy condor]

in what fucking universe

[midnight mist]

sub worse prio of the 3 spec

[calm grail]

Sin prio so good I'm downing the big man before the small adds are dead.

It almost feels bad

[waxen oyster]

black powder is prio

[balmy condor]

sub worst prio in the game I think, no?

[waxen oyster]

TIL

[midnight mist]

prio is prio damage you do to the main target in aoe btw @worn monolith

[balmy condor]

what spec does less prio than sub

[midnight mist]

otherwise you might be referencing st

[thorn thorn]

Black powder is sick prio bro

[solar wyvern]

Hehe the have a fury war do no pad strat

[balmy condor]

devourer has ST spells in aoe rota

[thorn thorn]

Thats cheating.

[crystal vault]

@balmy condor is is worth to optimize internal bleeding uptime on paladins (2/3 targets) or just spread garr/rup and forget about it?

[solar wyvern]

Bro sevener actually expert ragebait wp

[balmy condor]

you'd swap to fok still

[thorn thorn]

Ya it was an expert ragebait

Drop bait and exit stage left

[visual lava]

Back playing from a hiatus since 2008. Been playing subtlety so far in Midnight but just started messing with Sin.

Doing my reading and looking at rotation and all that but thought I would hop on here and ask
Rotation advice and easy best practices anyone would throw at me.

[hazy sundial]

I fear for nerfs

Things are too good right now

[midnight mist]

there are better specs than assa that havent been nerfed in a month lil bro

[solar wyvern]

Dont there are other specs that are in need of nerfs

[midnight mist]

also assa is the king at getting buffed when it should get nerfed

[thorn thorn]

Aug, devourer, unholy, and frost are right there

[solar wyvern]

Also holy shit u right arms is thanos with funnel

[midnight mist]

mayube it get another lil buff

[midnight mist]

ye no shit

i told you

faro top every boss with funnel

[thorn thorn]

Arms has funnel?

[midnight mist]

and i mean

[thorn thorn]

Wtf did they do

[midnight mist]

insane top

[solar wyvern]

Just poked some logs

Insane

[midnight mist]

like 110k stp dps

[thorn thorn]

Wtf do they have that funnels

[midnight mist]

no clue cuh

damage

they double their st basically

[solar wyvern]

Wtf is

3 slams

1.88m

[thorn thorn]

Average cast 600k

o k

[solar wyvern]

I thought theyre all pad but theyre actually lit

[midnight mist]

no bro

i told you arms is thanos spec rn

top everything

aoe

prio

[solar wyvern]

Now i need to ask deepps why he has been holding out on me

[midnight mist]

boss damage

gg

cause arms also destroy all these 2 target bosses we have this tier

[vague shell]

Probably a dumb question but am i suppose to spread my bleeds first before i deathmark/kingsbane?

[thorn thorn]

is this a key or a boss

[solar wyvern]

That is tree boss

Boss dam only

[thorn thorn]

chimearus?

[solar wyvern]

No algethar

[thorn thorn]

oh

[midnight mist]

its not the best example

[solar wyvern]

Probably not

[midnight mist]

we get more funnel on other bosses than tree

[solar wyvern]

Vordoza...

A single 2.26m slam

[midnight mist]

best one is this boss prolly

[solar wyvern]

What

The fucj
K

[solar wyvern]

Okay im convinced

[midnight mist]

ye no shit cuh

and you can do that on legit every boss with a little imagination

he only need 2 additional mobs on top of boss

[solar wyvern]

Arms is thanos praise the lord battleshout in my keys

[midnight mist]

to double his boss damage

and this is the type of overall this shit does

you ever seen that

you do that and then top boss damage

sure bud

and no one knows

its crazy no

[solar wyvern]

Thats pit i assume

[midnight mist]

ye

[solar wyvern]

Yee

[thorn thorn]

The lore on this is that slam isnt actually hitting for that much, they are just getting a ton of free slam hits

And the log is behaving weird

[midnight mist]

log isnt behaving weird

its saying how many hits there are

[solar wyvern]

Nah ill accept my narrative that its a single cast ty

[midnight mist]

its just that

you are cutting off

on mobile

[solar wyvern]

Ah icic

[thorn thorn]

Its counting the manual casts for the avg cast not the total hits

[midnight mist]

no but its just mobile that is weird

on pc i see the number of hits

[thorn thorn]

It is very literally what is happening

3 casts, 53 hits, avg cast of 1.18m according to the log

[midnight mist]

oh you meant avg cast

ye idk never looked at that

[thorn thorn]

They do be getting a lot of free slams

Thanos spec

[midnight mist]

ah tahts why

the funnel

gg

[thorn thorn]

arms being a funnel spec wasnt in my bingo card for 2026

[cunning needle]

neither was ret paladin

but here we are

[midnight mist]

its one of the worse we ever had also

legit needing only 2 targets additional

to double its st

is quite eggregious

at least assa when it was thanos funnel

you needed a certain number

it wasnt just, take 2 mobs on boss and be thanos

i guess arcane kinda

[thorn thorn]

Arcane needed at least 5 total targets

[midnight mist]

but arcane wasnt doing infinite overall :D

[thorn thorn]

Cuz barrage did more dam the more targets it hit

Havoc also had strong funnel but I dont think it was this good

[acoustic cypress]

My king's bane stacks pretty quick in deathmark, but it stacks really slowly out of deathmark, almost just barely reaching full stacks by the end of it, is that normal or am I doing it w rong

[thorn thorn]

If you read what deathmark does and how kingsbane stacks it wont be surprising

[split laurel]

Sounds about right, the 5 hits from the apex gives a bunch up front, then haste in auto attacks (plus slice and dice) are pretty much it while envenom is going. With DM active it doubles all that

[thorn thorn]

tldr is that deathmark makes your lethal poisons apply twice when you apply them during it

And KB stacks via lethal poison applications

[split laurel]

As long as you stay in melee on the KB target, don’t swap targets, keep envenom active with slice and dice (which is automatic) then you’re doing everything you can to stack it up outside of DM. Sometimes the 5 hits will cancel if you go too far/are knocked away.

If you get knocked back and can’t stay in melee, throw your poisoned knife to keep applying poisons.

[acoustic cypress]

ty!

got a solution for "tracked buffs" reverting to the center of my ui after moving and saving it in edit mode?

[split laurel]

Sometimes my target frame will go to the top of my screen, when I notice it, I open and close edit mode and it’s fixed. Maybe that works for you

[split laurel]

No clue

[misty bobcat]

See but that requires your tank to wonna let you omega pad

[midnight mist]

what does pad mean

he does highest aoe, then he does highest prio, and then he just does highest boss damage

when is the padding

[past bobcat]

surely you gap an arms in nexus point

[rigid fable]

I stopped playing Rogue and now I see it sitting in A tier alongside Warlock and Devourer DH… what happened that I don’t know about?

[midnight mist]

nexus point ?

he doesnt know

[balmy condor]

community woke up from their sub-induced coma and realized that assa is pretty gud

and some tuning

[rigid fable]

thanks god

[midnight mist]

i feel like this will happen every season

[balmy condor]

it already does

[midnight mist]

unless assa change drastically and does damage in low keys

i dont see how the average populace

[balmy condor]

legit every season, sub burst explodes weekly +10 keys

and every dumbass just cums themselves

and then 2 months later

"what? assa? why?

[midnight mist]

i mean i dont think its about sub really

mostly about assa

scaling so hard with key level

[midnight mist]

i dont think anyone gaps arms in nexus point either

tho i think that applys to every key

[balmy condor]

it is about sub though, outlaw is fine too but no one crafts dagger early and sub explodes burst

so gg outlaw bad

ANOTHER TIER OF SUB

[past bobcat]

Its always sub early

then sin just gets random buff

and then everyone swaps sin

[midnight mist]

sin was already better before buffs tho

[balmy condor]

it's not even the random buffs most of the time

[midnight mist]

remember s1 tww whisp

[balmy condor]

it's just insane hype for sub because it exploded their weekly keys

[midnight mist]

when sin was the best rogue spec in keys

[balmy condor]

yes

[midnight mist]

and got buffed 4 times in a row

[balmy condor]

it's always like this

[midnight mist]

i memeber

[balmy condor]

legit every season

it's actually infuriating

[midnight mist]

it will continue to happen every season till sin is capable of doing low key damage tho

so

[balmy condor]

cause I say assa is good and the buffs aren't even that necessary

I see buff

I go "great, but we were already good"

and people stare at me like I'm a fucking alien

[midnight mist]

there is also something to be said about the fact not a single rogue player is left

and you have to wait for casual to start doing keys

to have a real rogue

doing high keys

idk if there is other classes like that

it does feel very empty in the rogue player department

[past bobcat]

Sin key stonks going to go crazy with the 12.0.5 deathmark jumping

[balmy condor]

[midnight mist]

also the cxhinese rogues are all alergic to sin and outalw in keys it seems

idk why

all sub one tricks

[balmy condor]

I think it's cause the streamer culture is even bigger there

[midnight mist]

ye i heard that

[balmy condor]

where like everyone will just copy paste whoever rank 1 streamer is

and rank 1 streamer loves sub

so everyone just plays sub

[uneven plume]

i think MM can beat arms in nexus

[solar wyvern]

Not only does he love sub but he plays dogshit PE no haste puzzlebox sub

[uneven plume]

but prayge for lucky aim shot resets in volley

[midnight mist]

is mm another hidden completly broken spec

i mean arms in nexus isnt particularly insane cause the bosses are st

2 of them at least

[uneven plume]

its not broken it can delete a pack in 6 seconds tho

[midnight mist]

while in other dungeons you can have funnel everywhere

[uneven plume]

MM isnt overall

[midnight mist]

tho we prolly just havent found the funnel yet

[uneven plume]

its "that pack is scary MM blow it up please"

[midnight mist]

eh

[hasty gate]

am i just unlucky to not get any fatebound procs for 30 secs

[midnight mist]

being scared of a pack is something for ranged comps

we dont do that here

[uneven plume]

not for melee

for tank that can deleted in one global

[solar wyvern]

Para hex the 2 arcanists infront of corewrite and give ur arms 3 targets

[midnight mist]

my tank is porsea he cant die

[uneven plume]

ive seen him legit floor pov a couple of times

[midnight mist]

this is true ..

[uneven plume]

MM can make AA first pull have two lashers instead of three

[midnight mist]

is corewrite the boss on the right ?

we alreayd havt tech for that boss

its handled

[solar wyvern]

No the laserbeams guy

With the seer infront

[midnight mist]

these?

[solar wyvern]

Left side

[uneven plume]

arms is tho low key busted tho

[solar wyvern]

Yerrr

[midnight mist]

i could see it

[solar wyvern]

Free funnel

Speed taunt in the seer

2 kicks ezpz ranged backup if stunned by boss mech

When u guys start doing that u gotta put ty charrend into party chat now

I already copywrote it

:^)

[midnight mist]

its locked in

we do it tomorrow

ty cuh

i mean we have barely started scratching the surface

on funnel things

im sure arms will get even more insane as we find new things to get on bosses

[solar wyvern]

Yall do the maisara last boss on wall so u can hit on soul realm then extend buff stuff yet

[midnight mist]

no but we saw

we will do it next time

[solar wyvern]

Op tech also patented

[midnight mist]

did you patent it

[solar wyvern]

Kappachungus

[midnight mist]

we saw it from other phys comp

[solar wyvern]

Ye banshers is a smart peanut

Not exactly something that wouldnt have been thought of after a little bit anyway tho

[midnight mist]

ye we were just extending late when we were about to walk trough wall

didnt think of doing that

[solar wyvern]

I kinda wanna try pulling in the rightside solar elemental of skyreach into 2nd boss

With the adept and blinding caster

But it would be hella sketchy anytime the orb spawns

Sucks i cant play too much rn i wanna push keyyyyysss

[midnight mist]

boss does too much damage

i dont htink you can bring anything in

[solar wyvern]

Oh does it eat your tank?

[midnight mist]

• there is a wall blocking the adds so its not practical to pul them

[midnight mist]

no it eats me

[solar wyvern]

Those trash are just tank dam

Is it not?

Hmm

Maybe chiburst?

[midnight mist]

there is an aoe pulse

[solar wyvern]

Oh the adepts do the shield thing oki yeah rip

I did see

[midnight mist]

you can dispell it

but like

[solar wyvern]

Some crazy tech

[midnight mist]

healer doesnt have gcds

also how do you kill orb during soaks

also how do you soak if circles spawns under you during soaks

its no bueno !

[solar wyvern]

Where you run over someones laser over and over and it like halves the damage it does

On that boss

[midnight mist]

really

why

[solar wyvern]

My warrior friend does it

[midnight mist]

cause it fucks with the ticks?

[solar wyvern]

Yeah it like resets the tick rate

And doesnt tick on new soaker

So if ur constantly swapping the soaker

[midnight mist]

i see

[solar wyvern]

Gf ez

Tank can do it too

After slams

[midnight mist]

ye rn we have tank soaking

mostly on me

tank can do it always in theory

its jsut kinda hard

[waxen oyster]

tbf i like how people pretended like

assa wasnt good pre buffs

[solar wyvern]

Ye

[waxen oyster]

[solar wyvern]

Did they fix the thing where tank just stands inside boss hitbox

And absorbs a beam

[midnight mist]

not sure how that would work

[solar wyvern]

And doesnt get slammed

[midnight mist]

there is aoe under boss

[solar wyvern]

Ye u just tank it lmao

Dorki was doing it on beta

[midnight mist]

idk i mean you can just angle frontal so that you still soak beam

[solar wyvern]

Ye just skill checm

But yeah maybe have u and feral swapping beams and war and sham

And then the fight is free af for healing

Did i race change am i now red trickster

Fuck

Oo red trickster is kinda aura

Better than yellow ds ngl

[jolly stirrup]

Bruh i just saw the colour change live, that shit looked trippy, yellow, blinked, red

[solar wyvern]

Jumpscare

[jolly stirrup]

Fr

My tired brain didnt comprehend

[tawdry halo]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[tough escarp]

I haven't played Sin in a bit but can someone explain why their dmg skyrocketed? Specifically M+

[balmy condor]

people stopped doing +12's

so things actually survive your cds

[tough escarp]

Ahh
I just remember seeing their dmg overall hover around 120k-130k and now it's in the 160k+ lol

[lyric ingot]

At what range of key levels is sudden demise the play?

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean it got some small buffs that definitely helped, but the vast majority of that gain is just people swapping from sub because shit spec in high keys

[balmy condor]

under 12/13

[lyric ingot]

Thanks captain

[tough escarp]

Rough :c

[balmy condor]

What is

[solar wyvern]

@uneven plume based

[warm kindle]

what do you drop to run sudden demise?

[balmy condor]

wowhead or #assassination-faq has a build

[glossy dust]

do u like ever sleep @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

unsure

[rotund oak]

man has a wife,stop hitting on him

(or get in the line)

[glossy dust]

how many people already in line? what are the chances

[jolly stirrup]

Low

[rotund oak]

few to none

[jolly stirrup]

First everyone of our Moms are in line before we even get a turn

[glossy dust]

damn

[rotund oak]

hello there red one

[solar wyvern]

red with trickster is kinda aura nooo?

[rotund oak]

100%

[fringe valley]

Anyone ever gotten that dagger from pit of saron? Been grouping with surv hunters and still have never seen it drop

[grim jay]

Sadly quite some times

[crisp coral]

Hello, im totaly newbie in Assa, would give it a shot BUT got quick question. How do i track my Garrote DoT on target, similar way that Cooldown manager does? it only show CD of that spell, nto DoT duration. Any help? :X

[grim jay]

Platynator/plater

The dot duration should also be in CDM tho