assassination

[frosty cedar]

thats what makes it work

[frosty cedar]

they call him edgar allan

[fallow canopy]

John exile

[storm forum]

I'm enjoying "how could we giga juice KB in the most ridiculous ways" time

[frosty cedar]

my cook was the best I think

[lime edge]

guys

[frosty cedar]

whats up shaxMC

[lime edge]

what if spatter gets 100% inc effectiveness when u activate kb

[thorn thorn]

If you want straight up op thats an easy fix

[thorn thorn]

You are burning it

The cook has to be good

[lime edge]

ok ready

if the kb'd target dies, it transfers the remaining kb to the nearest highest hp mob

[frosty cedar]

okay how about each tick of kingsbane appies caustic spatter

[lime edge]

doesnt it already do that

[frosty cedar]

the initial hit does

[lime edge]

what even is the difference

[frosty cedar]

when I go to kick a mob and lose my kingsbane target im sad that its not cleaving anymore

🙁

I cannot find him in the sea of nameplates

the endless ocean

[lime edge]

brother

what are u even saying

kicking doesnt stop spatter

[trim cairn]

Huh with a little redneck magic you can juice up garrote and rupture to do ~900k damage over their duration

[frosty cedar]

okay so what am I gonna do when I kick a mob and cant find my KB guy

not press envenom

[lime edge]

you mean u permanently cant find him

what

[trim cairn]

So you should be executing mobs instantly at 600k hp

[lime edge]

[frosty cedar]

he is hidden within the endless sea

[balmy condor]

Bro is cooking sudden demise in 2026

Crazy work

[lime edge]

spatter used to work with this right

[balmy condor]

Yes

[lime edge]

(i didnt play ww)

[balmy condor]

Was an oversight cause both singular focus and caustic spatter double dipped the spec aura

[lime edge]

lame

[frosty cedar]

deathstalker mentioned

[balmy condor]

Residuals of residuals is usually giga banned

[frosty cedar]

valeera is an assassination rogue right

doesnt she use like spooky vampiric and magic shit. does that mean we are canonically wizards ?

[blazing kayak]

do i fan or mutilate to build combo points on 2 target bosses/2 mobs

in keys

[trim cairn]

depends on if you wanna be smart or dumb

[blazing kayak]

smart

[trim cairn]

dont ask me which is which

[blazing kayak]

:^(

[graceful bane]

If you have blindside talented 3+ targets for Fan if no blindside 2+ targets

[blazing kayak]

should i have blindside talented in high sin keys

i currently dont

just swapped to sin today

[graceful bane]

Dont think it's run unless changed recently

so shouldnt

[blazing kayak]

so i should fan 2 target boss fights to build combos?

[balmy condor]

Yes

On 2 targets raid fights we don’t take blindside either

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor How confident are you in your ability to parse on beloren and midnight falls

[balmy condor]

Idk

I show up and kill boss

[blazing kayak]

so first boss of mist caverns, i basically just get my bleeds up, tempest to spread to second and then

fan envenom the entire fight

[balmy condor]

Yep

[blazing kayak]

sounds good

tyvm

[thorn thorn]

Im gonna make a losing bet with someone

[warm vortex]

Do i stay up

for patch notes

or do i sleep

[frosty cedar]

there is no patch notes

[balmy condor]

Gonna stay up another week

[warm vortex]

Also does anyone know if you can do more than 4 bountiful delves worth of delvers journey in a day

oh

[balmy condor]

Sounds dangerous

[warm vortex]

i was lied to

Ffs imma just sleep then

[frosty cedar]

they said 4 weekly ones, then monthly after that

[warm vortex]

:(

[frosty cedar]

but ig they could do some anytime if they feel like it

[warm vortex]

Assa needs nerfs pronto ngl

[frosty cedar]

true

[thorn thorn]

true

spec op

!buffs

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1340517677973635152/1484704581362651366/image.png?ex=69bf3264&is=69bde0e4&hm=d107345329547c4c2447c754851eb4e9e5751085af4bff69a8e80a3fd6011f31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[graceful bane]

if using alts yes

so long as the journey isnt capped even if you have no keys but with no keys you only get prog from the completion and no additional xp from opening a coffer chest

[rugged basalt]

i got my map from the end chest again... so im even lazier to do preys now bc i have two of those summoning items lol

[warm vortex]

I know what I’m doing tomorrow

Keys and chesting

anything but more seat runs

[graceful bane]

lol

[warm vortex]

Run like 32 of it for mail shoulders

[graceful bane]

oof. I was lucky my guildy could trade me puzzle box or i'd be stuck in the academy mines

Question for mythic dragons. should I be spamming CT when the orbs spawn to bleed them all or treat CT more as the better fan and once at 5+ combo use envenom?

[frosty cedar]

CT and envenom the dragon at 5cp +

[graceful bane]

roger ty ty

[split cipher]

If your comp needs help killing the orbs give them attention, otherwise you're there to kill the intermission add and look pretty

[trim cairn]

@balmy condor is it good or bad that with my redneck build Sudden Demise tops my meters and slams mobs for half a million each

[high dust]

how much crit is too much crit...? cause i simmed after some items dropped and i feel like its telling me to keep going hard on crit...

[balmy condor]

It’s whatever idk

[trim cairn]

Cmon its a little sexy

Be tempted

[balmy condor]

We don’t consider sudden demise damage in theorycrafting

[trim cairn]

🙁

[balmy condor]

Because it’s fake damage

So

I couldn’t really care

[pale ridge]

hey, i've seen CasualAddict do huge keys with only 3 poisons on, is there a reason for that ?

[brave stump]

slow bad

[balmy condor]

He doesn’t want to slow, yeh

Could also ask him yourself

We aren’t mind readers

[pale ridge]

[brave stump]

i wont talk to casual until he wears a yellow tshirt representing rogues

[thorn thorn]

What am I thinking of now

[balmy condor]

No clue

[high dust]

Nothing, like always

[trim cairn]

Because you normally would time your bleed applications so that they are close to expiring when mobs die anyways?

[thorn thorn]

This guy can read minds

[high dust]

Ofc I can, minds are on spanish by default

[balmy condor]

Nah that’s a headache, but if sudden demise is proccing then the damage to kill the target already exists on the target, it’s not actually “doing” damage, it’s just dealing the already existent damage, inefficiently

Not to mention the rest of the party

[high dust]

I feel like sudden demise should be baseline.

[balmy condor]

So you’re not speeding up dungeons at all with the execute

[trim cairn]

That makes sense

[balmy condor]

Depending on the group you might actually be slowing down the dungeon

Like devourer needs to stay in combat for souls generation

[spice surge]

But what about big PP

[balmy condor]

And you’re just sniping the mobs out from them

[trim cairn]

Couldnt you just chain pulls harder or something?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you could chain pull harder either way

[trim cairn]

And just operate as if mobs at 35% are dead

[balmy condor]

Well not really

[trim cairn]

Yeah you are right

[spice surge]

Also the clips I had from last season where it nuked mobs straight from 35% were great

[balmy condor]

They don’t insta die at 35% unless you’re doing a piss shit key like a +4

[high dust]

following dungeonslice seems ...weird for me? why that much crit...? shouldnt i drop something in favour of haste/mastery...?

[balmy condor]

Cause it is just flat damage at the end of the day

[high dust]

and 10% bleed dmg how much is worth it?

[balmy condor]

Dungeons will just keep scaling and sudden demise will not

[balmy condor]

Not enough to be worth taking in any situation

[high dust]

fair

[balmy condor]

(It’s around 3%)

Little less

[trim cairn]

Yeah I was just operating on my Envenom avg hit being ~88k while Rupture is 410k

But honestly I'm just feelcrafting like a dumbo

I guess redneck supercharged forced induction 60s ruptures will never be meta

[balmy condor]

I just threw up a little

[warped moon]

how come feral gets to do this but not us 🙁

[trim cairn]

haha I swear I don't play like that normally

[high dust]

whispyr, should I drop some crit for some haste(im at 572) or mastery(558) if im at like...1161 crit just from gear/flaskrank1...? I think I need help that's not from a clanker cause i dont wanna spam sims

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

Crit good clanker good

[high dust]

Damn, but that much crit?

[warped moon]

is 100k dps over a run a good number if im also interrupting a bunch and shivving enraged mobs and giving healer hugs and kissees

[gray sinew]

do you guys run any fights in voidspire as full cleafve or just the raid spec with light cleave

[high dust]

even weapon enchants...? (right now im at 1 from each crit / haste)

[warped moon]

hugs and kisses is code for using feint

[trim cairn]

Try the redneck supercharged forced induction 60s rupture build (REDSUCK60SBANG) build and you will be blasting 200k+ on overall in notime

[brave stump]

i 'member

[warped moon]

o m g!

[high dust]

depends. what gear level and which dungeon

[warped moon]

it was a seat run and i am 269 i think

just a little +10 for my vault 🙂

[balmy condor]

Yep

[warped moon]

it was a busy one

[high dust]

if you're giving hugs to your healer, then it was nice

[frosty cedar]

Heelers aren't people

[main bobcat]

actually real

[high dust]

damn i just saw my last pit overall whith some friends (just a 10 for him to upgrade it). i think imma start charging a pally friend of mine. (jk)

[high dust]

why does it feel so weird to me to stack that much crit i swear to god.

[warped moon]

look at u!

[high dust]

but i'm a little bigger than u, im at 274

[warped moon]

i think i use feint too much tbh

i use it like every time i see an aoe warmingg up!

[high dust]

never think that, feint is what keeps u alive

[warped moon]

its a lot of energy

and a lot of aoes hurt but theyre like survivable

[high dust]

u can relax it a little with practice, but better be safe than sorry sometimes

[warped moon]

thats true

[balmy condor]

Idk, why does it feel so weird to you

[frosty cedar]

Never feint before cheat death

[warped moon]

the ancient technique

haaha

[lime edge]

sudden demise technology

[high dust]

Thats...a good question tbf, idk why, my mind sees "hey, higher change of X" and tells me that 25% or 40% is the same if im unlucky, but imma follow ur tips 🙏

[high dust]

you're gonna hurt whispyr at this rate.

what's next? crafting that shitty dagger?

[balmy condor]

He’s hurting himself in confusion dw bout it

[high dust]

...True.

[frosty cedar]

25% or 40% is the same if I'm unlucky is a goated take

[balmy condor]

Bro saw “bleed” and thinks it works with sudden demise

[high dust]

I mean...it's kinda true.

[lime edge]

would it not work

huh

[high dust]

only garrote and rupture

[lime edge]

it says bleed

not garrote or rupture

[high dust]

"you would deal" means rogue bleeds

[frosty cedar]

It will work on a whitelist and that shit ain't on it

[lime edge]

so deathmark works?

[high dust]

deathmark just kinda upgrades your other bleeds

so...yeah?

[lime edge]

deathmark has a bleed

[balmy condor]

Anyways for this let’s say 20% vs 40% (easier numbers). If you’re pressing fok on 5 targets, you’re expecting 1cp base, and 5xCrit cp from seal fate, so 20% would be 2cp total, 40% would be 3cp total

So even with bad rng, your bad rng is going to be better than before

[high dust]

...True.

[balmy condor]

As a rule, items do not work with your class mechanics

[high dust]

I hate to be so wrong about math

[severe meadow]

Except that one trinket during LOU

[balmy condor]

A trinket that says “poison damage” is not buffed by mastery

[severe meadow]

I really liked that trinket

[warped moon]

press.. fok.. more.. 📝

[balmy condor]

That’s a whitelist problem with sub that has since been fixed

[high dust]

which was it again?

[high dust]

2 targets? press fok.

[balmy condor]

The magnet from Stix

[high dust]

OH true.

[severe meadow]

Junkmaestro whatever

[lime edge]

is that why stat trinkets are almost always better

[balmy condor]

No

[warped moon]

ya i do but it feels so wrong 🙁

[high dust]

no, but yes.

[warped moon]

the 2+ fok

[balmy condor]

Stat trinkets are almost always better because damage trinkets are often under-tuned

[lime edge]

imagine if the nature dmg trinket worked with mastery tho

[high dust]

oh, i know, but unless u run blindside...is better

[balmy condor]

If trinkets worked with spec mechanics you would very quickly have a lot of bullshit

[high dust]

blindside is fok at 3 lmao

[warped moon]

sometimes i catch myself doing an fok a little into my opener, i think we did that in dragonflight or tww or something to trigger uhhh

what was it callled

[lime edge]

i consider puzzlebox bullshit

trueee

[warped moon]

no witnesses?

i forget

[balmy condor]

Clear the witnesses

[warped moon]

clear the witnesses?

yeeah!

[high dust]

tww deathstalker used It I think?

[balmy condor]

Was a thing until we ran vicious venoms

But now it’s a passive

So

[warped moon]

i liked it

things are simpler now and thats nice too

[high dust]

it feel weird to press it at 1 targert

[frosty cedar]

puzzle box is goated

[high dust]

get out

[warped moon]

the cast time feels so strange

[frosty cedar]

I miss phial of putrefaction

[lime edge]

you know what i miss

[warped moon]

i liked the globs of wax

[lime edge]

explody wheel of death on use

[trim cairn]

Dots dont snapshot anymore right?

[high dust]

that's a goated take tho

[frosty cedar]

Goated trinkets IQD and phial

[thorn thorn]

negative

[high dust]

you know what I miss? draught of souls.

(had to search its stupid name.)

[trim cairn]

Sadge

[thorn thorn]

snapshotting is a thing of the past

[trim cairn]

Just managed to get a SD hit of 800k

[thorn thorn]

Unless you are feral

[trim cairn]

Feels illegal when the numbers pop up

[uneven plume]

do we still snapshot after puzzle box?

or that has been fixed?

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

I just answered about snapshotting lul

[uneven plume]

ahh i see it

[high dust]

https://tenor.com/view/turles-goku-dragon-ball-dbz-tullece-gif-9485394904484613513

it was a nice trinket, I just hated it cause it made me think of outlaw.

[trim cairn]

Ok final question king

[real pike]

so like is sudden demise competitive with regular build on +10s?

[trim cairn]

but the fatebound coin damage buff works towards SD calculation too?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[balmy condor]

Depends on your definition of competitive, if competitive means your damage meter bar is long schlong, yes

If competitive is “do dungeon really fast idc about the bar schlong” then it’s worse in every measurable metric

[lime edge]

[frosty cedar]

On use dmg trinket, in the bin

[high dust]

wasnt it like...bis on that season?

[balmy condor]

Not for us

Idk bout every class

I assume someone was using it

[trim cairn]

According to sims this is beating out every other trinket I have

[high dust]

Maybe, I remember someone wantin it

[trim cairn]

It sucks in practice though lol

[frosty cedar]

No idea

What season is this

[high dust]

Are ur other trinkets like...champion or veteran or what

[trim cairn]

cough uh yea but I'm still somehow 273 ilvl

[frosty cedar]

bro has a tamagochi and a slice of stale bread as his current trinkets

[balmy condor]

S2 bfa and then returning in….. s3 shadowlands aaaaand…. s2 tww?

[high dust]

Then thats ur answer
276> 263 usually

[balmy condor]

Drops from lower mechagon

[trim cairn]

Only in sims though cuz my character needs a 30s period to recuperate mentally from solving the puzzle box

and if I open the puzzle box the pack is dead within 30s anyways so I have nothing useful to throw that shit at

[real pike]

yo I love compensating count me in

[high dust]

Ur Char using that trinket

[trim cairn]

me irl figuring out where to stand while using the trinket*

[high dust]

Never go two active trinkets

[trim cairn]

Unless I live in a simulation that is

[icy acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sped-light-cubes-autistic-gif-3890826677827162899

me solving puzzle box

[high dust]

Wait, we dont?

[trim cairn]

Well then I need to tell the devs to stop ooking me in the dooker

[shell crater]

anyone got experience with plater? Im trying to figure out how to make the debuff timers bigger on the unit frames

[frosty cedar]

We certainly live in a simulation

And how fast I can eat a McDonald's in the car park of a Morrisons is my patchwerk sim

[shell crater]

you dont eat it in the car park of the mcdonalds? Actual criminal

[frosty cedar]

too busy the vibes are off

[shell crater]

fair

[high dust]

same but bk instead.

And in my own garage tbf

[trim cairn]

Ok so currently the max hit I've gotten with Sudden Demise is 1086k

[severe meadow]

Who up demisemaxxing

[trim cairn]

adhd got me in a sleepless SD spiral here

[balmy condor]

I had experience with plater last expansion, midnight prepatch hit, plater turned into a buggy dogshit fucking mess, uninstalled it, have never been happier

[trim cairn]

Ok nvm max hit is 2 151k

Ok Whispyr this is my worst take yet, but doesn't SD work with Singular Focus?

Couldnt we just pull a pack that is near 35% hp onto a boss, deathmark it and redsuck60sblow all the adds for 1m damage each that funnels onto the boss?

Nvm thats worthless only 50k per add i need to go to bed

[shell crater]

do you use any particular plates?

for debuff tracking?

[balmy condor]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[balmy condor]

It does not

[shell crater]

ohhh platynator?

[trim cairn]

Sadge

Thanks for crushing my dreams king

Nn

[dark arrow]

Howdy all, so just curious, I play Sub mostly so geared out for sub at the moment. In raid assassination is looking far better for Vanguard. I know the stat priority isn't too massively different between sub and sin, so would you guys think its worth building up a second set of non tier gear slots (like rings for example) for playing Sin or is the dps difference if I just used a single gear set optimized for Sub not all that big to be worth the effort?

[scarlet wyvern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shell crater]

the cooldown manager doesnt seem to be tracking my apex stacks? When i let it fall off itll track the regen buff but then it wont start doing the stacks again?

[thorn thorn]

Broken on blizzards end

[keen spruce]

Probably just wear the sub gear

Secondaries are fake

But if you’re still filling your vault anyways and have a full sub set, might as well grab better statting for assas

[hazy sundial]

Where can i find good nameplate profiles for (any) addon? Something good enough to play that i can just copy paste or press button

[shell crater]

sadge

[shell crater]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[shell crater]

platynator profiles there

[mint sonnet]

Not sure if this is anywhere in the disc, ive looked tho, is there a good cooldown manager profile ppl are enjoying?

[hasty vale]

Are there any good macros to know about for sin or nah?

[ember relic]

Still no way to track the buff?

!implacable

[keen spruce]

focus and/or mouseover for kick / stops in m+ if you're sweaty.
potion + trinket + DM unless you have puzzle box
and uhh I'm a big fan of "/e puts a pile of dirt in your pocket" for RP purposes to give my raid teams snacks for later

[hasty vale]

lol okay so the normal stuff.

[keen spruce]

maybe a shadowstep kick macro

if you're a gaer

gamer

yeah nothing special

unless there's new tech

that i'm unfamiliar with

[hasty vale]

yeah I just know for like sub there is the coup / blackpowder macro was wondering if there was anything like that for sin

[keen spruce]

all of my answers are post-dated early 2025

I don't think so but I'm sure someone will angrily correct me if i'm wrong

[waxen oyster]

that macro isnt even that good

its mostly simplification for new people

[waxen oyster]

nah you're right assa has even less buttons now

shiv is no longer a mini cd

[keen spruce]

all of this work

wasted

[acoustic cypress]

addon tips to track bleeds on target to replace WAs?

[waxen oyster]

literally any cdm addon or just the base cdm

[waxen oyster]

lmao

[keen spruce]

I'm too acoustic to know how to keyframe gifs so I do it frame by frame

[shell crater]

is there anything to tell you when you have bleeds on everything or is it a case of just eyeballing?

[chrome compass]

what are people using to track implacable other than the base cooldown manager? im tired of counting

[buoyant herald]

that's the neat thing - they're not

[solar wyvern]

I hate devour

Actual funnel thief

[keen spruce]

pookie and pounding

my kings

[solar wyvern]

Homie keyyys

[keen spruce]

I get to get dak homie drunk irl

we don't need keys anymore

[solar wyvern]

Oh shiiit

Tell him hi from canada

[keen spruce]

I ruined that poor man on his birthday

[solar wyvern]

Good shit bro

[keen spruce]

I will tell him

[solar wyvern]

Keep him away from wow

[keen spruce]

we're eachother's sponsors

[solar wyvern]

He has too much charisma to waste on fury warrior

[keen spruce]

I'm throwing his PC out of his window if I see battle.net installed

[solar wyvern]

[crude helm]

Is puzzle box really bis for assa?

[keen spruce]

rubix cube gud

[crude helm]

I did 2 16s and hate it

[keen spruce]

very hateable

but gud

[acoustic cypress]

got a solution for "tracked buffs" reverting to the center of my ui after moving and saving it

[crude helm]

The 12.0.7 raid will have a juicy 2 min on use

[thorn thorn]

Shoulda played the better spec broski

L + Ratio + worse spec

[mint sonnet]

anyone have a combo point addon that actually works in midnight?

[keen spruce]

There wasn't one that worked in DF or TWW so I'd imagine not

well maybe TWW but it was super jank

[proven carbon]

what do you mean by combo point addon

[acoustic cypress]

Sensei Class Resource Bar

[mint sonnet]

ty ty

[keen spruce]

oh yeah those thingies work

right nvm i been drinking

I was talking about the hide default combo points

addons not workin

[proven carbon]

just banish your player frame to a corner like the rest of us 💀

[acoustic cypress]

anyone have a solution?

[brave comet]

!tot

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[brave comet]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[hallow glade]

just wanted you guys to know your spec is awful, the worst

[brave comet]

your face is the worst

[coral ibex]

i cant hear you over doing big dam sorry

[solar wyvern]

Wtb aug to inflate my details

[balmy condor]

Only 1.2 mil?

Buddy that ain’t shit I was doing 10x that last patch

[solar wyvern]

Ill do better next time coach

Should i ct then envenom or envenom then ct?

Thoughts??

[coral ibex]

i think i had like a 900k peak in alg earlier

stat squish btw

[balmy condor]

How is that possible, VW is so nerfed!

[coral ibex]

who knows man

assa no enrgi

no dam

🙁

[balmy condor]

If I can’t press button, I do no dam

Limited by resource generation

What can you do

I’m going back to my super op devourer demon hunter

[coral ibex]

me when i press vanish garrote ct ct ct and then i do a gorillion dam

[balmy condor]

Which is not resource limited

[solar wyvern]

My experience since actually doing 18s and 19s has been

[balmy condor]

go oooooooooon.....

[solar wyvern]

"Should we invite a rogue? Eh lets get a vibe."

"Wtf why is assa doing so much damage"

[balmy condor]

wdym, it's bad spec

[solar wyvern]

Sorry i have zeross

Syndrom

[balmy condor]

idk how but it's probably my fault

[solar wyvern]

True and real

[balmy condor]

I didn't doom hard enough

or I doomed too much

[solar wyvern]

Dw ill spread the word to NA lfg

[balmy condor]

SUB IS FAKE SPEC

[solar wyvern]

Soon even yoda will have no choice but to accept rogue is decent

[balmy condor]

[solar wyvern]

My cook rn is to play assa first half of seat, switch to sub after 2nd boss. Speed shroud past all big dudes and finish the key

Its 9head.trust

[brave gyro]

we're a fake class

[keen frigate]

how often does ass rogue get to press buttons now?

[sage radish]

once every 2 minutes

hold on i cant type anymore i need to drink thistle tea

[balmy condor]

energy is roughly where it was last expansion

except it's that speed in aoe as well

[sage radish]

even with the apex talent doing nothing?

[balmy condor]

what

[sage radish]

20% energy regen

waow

[balmy condor]

apex is working

[deft vault]

how can i add trinket to cooldown manager?

[balmy condor]

through the use of a cdm addon like bettercdm or ayije

[deft vault]

fooking hell

[brave gyro]

Casual, Exile and others seem to be using the same/similar setup? which addon do they use?

cuz i manually setup my trinket/pots/racial on a separate CDM bar through enhance/cdmcentered

[hallow glade]

I think exile uses atrocity

It’s a paid-for ui

But it’s nothing special or even particularly amazing

It’s just already set up for you

[brave gyro]

hmm okay

I'm just not super happy with my UI this expansion

went back to more default look etc.

but it looks clumpy and awkward

[coral ibex]

do we steal damage from aug?

the aug in my party is saying im a thief in logs

because bleeds don't attribute back

[balmy condor]

@safe frigate

[safe frigate]

No Assa does not steal damage.

[balmy condor]

ty

[safe frigate]

Yw.

[golden loom]

have a warlock and then tele out -> swap back to assa for final boss and get summoned in

[solar wyvern]

Why would u play assa on lura

[golden loom]

big dam

[solar wyvern]

You would have to miss intentionally

Very monkaS when your life is in constant peril xd

[golden loom]

yeah I guess my brain is just clouded from +12s where you only kb the opener and boss dies in the amp

[solar wyvern]

Rn i live 19 seat by feint vial disintegrate 1, feint evasion sonic beams first set and amp. Cloak second disintegrate, feint feint vial between sonic beams

So if i have to do another beam set

Im dead

Haha

[golden loom]

what a time to be barely alive

[solar wyvern]

If the sonic beams werent sonic damage itd be fine

But i just get 1shot xd

[astral sundial]

Hey. Does anyone know why I don't see damage from poison bomb when looking at top m+ rogue runs in m+? (they do run the talent).

[balmy condor]

it's under envenom

[astral sundial]

Thanks.

[fresh kelp]

Has assa surpassed Sub for keys now? Or only when you get to higher key lvls?

Bout to craft myth weapon and dont wanna pick the wrong stats

[balmy condor]

luckily the stats are roughly the same and don't matter much

daggers are the lowest secondary stat slots in the game

[ripe sphinx]

its better in higher keys since stuff lives longer

pretty sure

[balmy condor]

can play both :)

[fresh kelp]

yeah i guess going Crt/Haste on weapon is fine for Sub also

[quasi forge]

Does assa do funnel anymore?

[balmy condor]

yes

prio damage goes insane

[astral sundial]

I am always confused about that. If stuff dies too fast, that just means you should be doing higher keys no?

[ripe sphinx]

something something dot class idk

i dont know the math of it

[zinc frost]

Number not big on details though, spec dead

[fluid dust]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[waxen oyster]

now to make a clickbait thumbnail

[balmy condor]

do NOT let kira see that shit

[solar wyvern]

Ye and i put good ol maha next to the details meter with the eyes wide mouth open reactiom face

[waxen oyster]

wait do you take crit node or ib

[solar wyvern]

My pfp but just this

[waxen oyster]

i did notice its basically paladins build besides that and longer garrote

[solar wyvern]

IB is busted rn

Should not be doing what its doing

[waxen oyster]

i mean i figured ib would be worth

like how does 2% crit compete

[solar wyvern]

Iirc its competitive but IB is slightly better

I can see 2% crit being better in a turbo sized pull

[waxen oyster]

[waxen oyster]

its nice that only talent i swap for paladins is garrote length

[solar wyvern]

Yeee

[waxen oyster]

idk i tried it for like 30 minutes

and i dont get this "slow energy" scenario

people yap about

[solar wyvern]

Idk i only ran low on energy when i ran out of teas and i had to pump shield on a forced envenom stop block

Or if i was brain fried and didnt force stop enough

[golden loom]

teas auto proccing ruining rogue once again !

[coral ibex]

17 mc all melee chud comp

[balmy condor]

"all melee"

opens meter

evoker

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

also a +17 molten core is crazy

[coral ibex]

yea bro i pumped garr

[balmy condor]

garrote?

[waxen oyster]

garrote1 garrote2 garrote3

[golden loom]

did bindings drop

[balmy condor]

also we need to start a psyop

instead of seat of the triumverate

[coral ibex]

yes bro

[balmy condor]

you're now required to call it chair of the threesome

[coral ibex]

cuck chair?

[balmy condor]

just a chair of the threesome

if you need like a snack break or something

timeout to splash your face with gatorade

[radiant raven]

What's it in dutch

[balmy condor]

I know in german its sitz des triumvirats

[radiant raven]

google tells me it's ```Zitplaats van het drietal

[balmy condor]

that sounds roughly correct

[radiant raven]

I'm sad. It could've been funny.

[balmy condor]

being fluent in german, I am able to speak dutch by giving myself a lobotomy and taking 15 shots of tequila

and that's about what "sitz des triumvirates" would sound like

[golden loom]

then you are also probably fluent in danish when that drunk

both dutch and danish are very fake languages tho

[radiant raven]

My favourite dutch word is Eekhoorn

What a lovely word for squirrel

[golden loom]

ekorre in swedish

[radiant raven]

Not as funny, but still a fun word.

[jolly stirrup]

I mean, Dutch is called swamp german for a reason

[jolly stirrup]

Snaggen du Engelsk?

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbGUFe18ig

[jolly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/music-enjoying-music-happy-happy-stewie-vibing-gif-17784109121304149017

[astral sundial]

When do I use puzzle box in my opener? Do I skip the empowered garrote refresh if I just use it before deathmark?

[remote spade]

Yea i would like to know aswell because in m+ it’s a bit weird to cast a 2 sec trinket while u just want to spam CT

And in m+ we spread all of our bleeds before death mark + KB right?

[buoyant herald]

You’d always use box just before dm and kb after spreading “enough” bleeds

[orchid pewter]

Reading deathmark gave me ptsd, i have played too much fatebound

Or not enough

Nvm i am dumb as shit

[jolly stirrup]

[orchid pewter]

I cant even remember what our other hero talent is called

[jolly stirrup]

You thought they meant Deathstalker?

[orchid pewter]

forbidden word

But yes i did

[tulip glade]

Is there any solution for implacable, for tracking? ☠️

[astral sundial]

But in the opener @balmy condor says you want to refresh the improved garrote, yet if you use puzzle box you are outside the 6 seconds window.

[brave gyro]

depends on how the pull is going, you already have improved garr on opener, depending on key, mobs survive long enough to refresh with vanish on same pack anyways

I don't think the refresh in garrote window will make or brake any m+ key, there are more important things

you can just 2nd garrote in window before Envenom > Puzzlebox

[buoyant herald]

We’re talking aoe here aren’t we

[astral sundial]

No I was asking for single target. For Aoe there is no problem with the opener.

[brave gyro]

Ah okay, yeah i dont read up the convos, just see the last messeges

but even on ST, I just 2nd garrote before envenom/puzzle/cds anyways, even if not that optimal

just pressing buttons, seems to be working out

[buoyant herald]

Oh I was replying to rush just below your comment

[astral sundial]

I don't think I follow. Why would I usee envenom before my CD's?

[brave gyro]

because you wanna KB after Deathmark while envenom is up

and KB gives CPs

[buoyant herald]

Envenom buff increases chance to apply poisons ie stacks KB faster

[astral sundial]

Am I reading outdated opener or something then?

[golden loom]

envenom buff + slice and dice

[brave gyro]

second pov

[astral sundial]

Thank you all. I was reading the method guide which says garrote-muti-rupture-CDs

[balmy condor]

Method is slower than shit to update

Always wowhead

[brave gyro]

Always ping Whispyr, then wowhead

[balmy condor]

(Not biased because I’m the class guide manager at wowhead)

(It’s just actually better)

[astral sundial]

I try to read both and the discord ones, there is always some discrepancy about how detaild (and what details) are in or missing.

[brave gyro]

It's 11:30 am here, but why are YOU awake in these gamer hours?

[astral sundial]

It's 11:20 here, saturday in a warzone and nothing else to do.
Ho you were asking whisper.

[balmy condor]

Yeh, in general for all classes it should be wowhead (because I pay them) -> icyveins (because they also get paid) -> discord (because it’s fast to update, but the formatting blows) -> method (medium effort to update but slow because it has to be submitted and then someone has to upload the changes) -> maxroll (ai slop and not updated regularly, basically only serves to bait noobs by slapping an echo sticker onto an objectively shit guide)

[brave gyro]

And lastly, musclebrah

[balmy condor]

It’s not even late, I usually go to bed at like 4ish

[radiant raven]

What time is it

[balmy condor]

1:30

[radiant raven]

Damn

I'd be dead to the world. Powerful.

[brave gyro]

Yeah, I can't that late, I'm an early bird

[radiant raven]

same

Big morning gamer

[balmy condor]

Yeah yall are the worst

I mean I’ll still get up at 9

But like waking up 6?

Fuck that

[golden loom]

if I wake up at 6:30 that means I can clock out at 14:30

[radiant raven]

I got up at 6 today because I had to go put up a gazebo in the pouring rain.

It sucked

[lapis lantern]

1. Would you guys sometimes chain CT and not use envenom inbetween to quickly spread bleeds in large pack situations?

2. in kingsbane window: do you always go for 5cp envenom or sometimes 4..3? To stack poison

[balmy condor]

1. No
2. 5 because otherwise you’re trolling your hero talent

[fathom flax]

For the record the guy who has been whinging about this on the wow reddit is still going

It’s been a week

[lapis lantern]

Thx 🤙🏻

[radiant raven]

he should just untalent it, imo

[fathom flax]

Thistle tea ruining ass and law while managing energy as sub is too difficult, gosh

[radiant raven]

What energy management does Sub have

[fathom flax]

No, because THE ENTIRE CLASS IS BUILT AND BALANCED AROUND IT

[radiant raven]

Just delete the energy bar on Sub. Bam, nothing of value has been lost

[brave gyro]

Ok, I didn't say you are bad for going to bed late. I asked questions
"Be curious, not judgmental" - Walt Whitman

[balmy condor]

Oh I’m a judgmental bitch

[fathom flax]

Idk if I can link reddit posts in here but if you search for my username it’s the same here and I just told the guy to stop worrying about it

[brave gyro]

But then how will we dread our experience outside Dance? 😄

[balmy condor]

That Walt guy sounds like a loser

[radiant raven]

I want to know their opinion on RtB's

[brave gyro]

i don't know him personally, so I can't confirm nor deny

[balmy condor]

Well he looks like a homeless guy

[radiant raven]

Powerful beard

I guess you have to have a powerful beard to be a poet and essayist

Maybe that's why I'm not

[brave gyro]

same, can' grow beard for shit

[radiant raven]

Sad high5.

[brave gyro]

but my hairline is pristine, so there's that

[radiant raven]

I will never get to be an intellectual and impactful essayist because that's where the philopshy is stored

[idle ravine]

Hello guys, quick question for m+, imagine a huge pack, with enough hp left so i could DM + KB but i dont have vanish. Should i send anyway or wait for next pack to have improve garot

[balmy condor]

You should press cds

[idle ravine]

Thanks !

[balmy condor]

A bad cast is better than no cast

[meager crane]

so is assi back

am i late

are we back

[brave gyro]

i definitely prefer it for keys 14 or higher

[grim jay]

just get a transplant for either if you are lacking and it doesnt matter

[grim jay]

for m+ certainly

[weary shoal]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[dire flume]

Whispyr do you ever sleep

You're yapping in here when I wake up and when I go to bed and the time in between

[fresh kelp]

I found this out recently trying to help a friend sim spread cleave scenarios

very strange stuff

[radiant raven]

I have some dumb Assa questions. Do I need to track Fatebound coins? I assume not.

[rotund oak]

whispyr and sleep do not correlate

in any sentence or meaning

[zinc frost]

Nope

[radiant raven]

Coo'

[brave gyro]

You're cool

[full estuary]

hi guys, is assassination getting better than sub with these little ups ? I mean keys +13 and higher

[tardy knoll]

Can i get help with an advice, im looking for an alt to duo with a tank friend, im stuck between Hunter/Assa Rogue, end goal is 16-19 range

[brave gyro]

Whatever you enjoy more, but keep in mind rogue will pigeon hole you into specific comps, since we bring no lust or CR (engineering , but not as reliable)

[tardy knoll]

he is guardian so prob we will go toward physical comp

[rotund oak]

they are about the same

sub should have the edge

[analog field]

I would say assa is better

More meaningful damage

[digital folio]

Hello fellow rogues, i picked up assa again, and i was wondering, do we need to track coin flips and play around it or we can just ignore it ?

[analog field]

ignore

[fervent relic]

Someone else has the problem, that the Buff from our appex talent for envenom isnt always displayed by the cd manager?

[gray karma]

is sudden demise still a thing in m+?

[spice rose]

hey boys, when i watch some gameplay i often see double garrote used for opener, can anyone explain?

[tacit otter]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[zinc frost]

You can for lowbie keys, its just pad tho. May as well play sub

[rotund oak]

just play mage,all problems solved

u exist and everyone worships u for that

[zinc frost]

Assa better

[plush hare]

why is ambush there with dmg but 0 casts:

[brave gyro]

its to extend the duration of Improved garrote, so you cast it 2nd time in improved garrote window (6s)

[warm vortex]

You on assa????

[radiant raven]

Setting it up anyway

[slate nest]

Do you pre pull Box or only after fight starts for bosses?

[slate nest]

sry if thats been asked before

[little tulip]

box before deathmark

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-be-quick-never-look-back-dont-fall-down-scary-movie-quick-gif-9545673887014703915

[humble verge]

that does seem awkward

[lavish bane]

are these good for sin or too much mastery?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[storm forum]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[lavish bane]

its simmed, im just asking to see how other ppl are running

[normal mist]

why does it matter

you'll end up simming again once you have a new piece of gear

[zinc frost]

Everyone will be different and it won't matter

[lavish bane]

i main sub, so my gear is not optimal, i would like to see how other ppl are running their stats so I can see the difference

[storm forum]

Personally I have a bit too much haste and not enough crit and a second crit ring just refuses to drop for me

[high dust]

1000crit 500ish~ haste/mastery. Trust the clanker

[normal mist]

Yeah, but it still is whatever information

people run whatever items they have

[zinc frost]

Just no stinky vers

[normal mist]

And thats why BiS lists are stupid too

[lavish bane]

yeah, maybe thats how u play

[plush isle]

Just get Crit/Haste or Crit/Mastery Ring, and the Neck from Pit and you are Gucci, most secondary stats come from rings and neck

[lavish bane]

yeah, i see now, ppl are running like ~37% crit, seems like crit is the way to go

[plush isle]

i dont know if you wanna raid or m+, but mastery as a stat in m+ is pretty good aswell.

[analog field]

People run whatever items they currently have

If you have let's say multiple rings or necks you can swap but many people don't

sim your alternatives and you are good to go, nothing more you can do

[lavish bane]

mplus

[normal mist]

more important than haste yeah, in m+

[brave gyro]

is this with oils/flasks or raw?

[remote spade]

what did u guys think about sudden demise for low key build? wich level of key did u guys think about switching talents

[spice rose]

is there an marco or smth we can use to auto tricks the tank or do i just make myself a mouseover?

[patent swallow]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[brave gyro]

im using a mouseover because i cba tinkering every time

also sometimes if tank is dead, i tricks the other dps while i finish off the mobs

[winged quail]

I use an @playername macro and just set it before every dungeon 🙁

i miss my wa

[plain thistle]

tankMD

[spice rose]

whats that? xD

[plain thistle]

addon

it does what you want, creates a macro to auto md the tank

[spice rose]

aye okay ty <33

[slate nest]

Why do I have a 86 parse when I‘m rank 44 on myth chim

[latent kernel]

No one plays this spec

[slate nest]

Atleast I overtook Whispyr

[lime edge]

Even at 10+ targets, crit Sims better for me than mastery

Mastery overrated

[fathom flax]

Help why is this person so dumb

[primal parrot]

thats bait

[runic hinge]

your first mistake is engaing people on r/wow

[warm vortex]

"Uhm, aktually for rogue hit uses trfircks of a travde"🤓 👆

[plucky ember]

you should see cooking subreddits

[warm vortex]

What was that old meme subreddit

sinkpissers or smth

for people who pissed in the sink

[grim jay]

its fair to say sin is decently better now on higher keys

[grim jay]

the first mistake is opening reddit

[rotund oak]

was it not for 13s

[grim jay]

13+ is high enough

[rotund oak]

not rly but ok,wherever ppl feel the stress building,wont judge

[grim jay]

unless you play with some demons. which wont do 13s, or dont play sin accordingly

it is

[warm vortex]

Any key is high enough for assa if you convice people to do less dps

[grim jay]

dont need to convince pugs

[primal parrot]

r/peoplewhogiveaswag is a fun one

[grim jay]

atleast one of them is griefing

[worldly hound]

Sorry for the probably stupid question, but with Seal Fate and Deal Fate, is the max number of combo points that Mutilate can generate per cast 5?

[warm vortex]

Gonna be a delve gamer for a bit

[storm forum]

yeah you can get 5 cp from mut in fb

[worldly hound]

ok dope. thank you 🙂

[warm vortex]

Bring back VV so mutilate can appear 3 times on my DPS meter

[lime edge]

Bring back exsanguinate

[storm forum]

[warm vortex]

[lime edge]

(Not the 3min version)

[storm forum]

BFA remix gonna be crazy

[digital elk]

I hope they bring back azerite traits for bfamix, nerf/buff them randomly every day and the final unlock of the event is respecing the traits instead of having to find a new piece of gear

[storm forum]

that sounds terrible

11/10

[runic hinge]

i hope we do SLands remix first

[lime edge]

With giga haste venthyr covenant

[low igloo]

are we still pooling before kingsbane window on st?

[west crown]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[brave gyro]

I 'member when we had a raid buff

[agile wedge]

back then with WA we were told not to use clickable WAs as they are very performanceheavy

is it still the same thing with the addons?

[sharp viper]

too bad we aint got shit right now

[brave gyro]

we have plenty of shit tbf

and only shit

[native heron]

in aoe im not hitting mut only fok correct?

[brave gyro]

yeppers

well, CT when its a lot of targets

over FoK

[primal parrot]

multistrike

[agile wedge]

does anybody use a simple poison reminder? i dont wanna use the big clickable raidbuff addon 😄

[neon jackal]

does anyone know how to fix this issue?
It stops properly tracking when I use Envenom during the energy regen part of the buff, and after that the next Implacable window stacks sometimes don’t show correctly.

[brave gyro]

yep its a bug since forever ago, no they are not fixing it

[native heron]

i thought we only ct'ed when all targets have bleeding then we swap back to fok

[brave gyro]

its more dmg after a certain ammount of targets

[neon jackal]

That’s annoying, damn

[native heron]

so prob 5 or more just ct ?

[digital elk]

Buff reminders can do a ton of reminders but you can disable everything else if you don't want it

Is that the one you have?

You can disable clicking

There's easy reminders but it's just worse

[brave gyro]

In situations where adds are spawning and dying quickly (such as voidorbs on dragons), it is still preferred to cast crimson tempest over fok.

From the #assassination-faq

there was something about number of targets, but it was a very minor increase

[shell crater]

How are you guys playing add fights? Do you just dot adds then go back to smushing boss?

and also what kind of stats do you guys have? Considering changing my crafts over to crit and going full ham on assa but I just wanna make sure im not fucking anything

[viscid spear]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[viscid spear]

Anyone have an example of the two Platynator profiles so I know the difference?

[worldly bridge]

Is this proccing with anything as Sin ? What is Cosmic damage from fatebound again ?

[viscid spear]

We do Cosmic damage, which counts as Shadow

[pure moth]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[viscid spear]

Specifically this FB talent

[worldly bridge]

im pretty happy with the heroic cache i got then lol

[viscid spear]

Might wanna reel back the joy there

[sacred oyster]

only if need to spread bleeds. you dont ct over fok when everything has bleeds already. the sims saying that in past were false positives

its due to refreshing bleeds is why it looked higher. its still to the original goal, use ct to spread. if you dont need to spread, use fok

[viscid spear]

Don't forget to Envenom

[west crown]

Sudden Demise still bugged?

[agile geode]

bugged?

[viscid spear]

Is this how they should look?

I think Elvui might be on too, let me turn that off

[sacred oyster]

elv would complain if it was

[viscid spear]

Elvui complains a lot

Hmm

[sacred oyster]

heres mine if you wanna consider it https://gist.github.com/aikar/af8ebb503ebf3a210c453a9ac056f172

you could go haste/mastery on wep stats i guess?

and you deleted msg lol

[viscid spear]

Can you give me a ss real quick?

[haughty pewter]

Anyone figure out a way to track implacable yet?

[sacred oyster]

its on the link

as a comment

[humble topaz]

Iwent general wow since its not just assass

[weak crescent]

Any platynator user able to help me? Under buffs for filters, does "dispellable" count for enrage on adds? (that you can dispel with shiv)

[native heron]

dont mind me just takin fok off my bars then lmao

[brave gyro]

what? don't lol

it's your builder on 2+ targets

[quiet oar]

Its on huge AOE

like 15+

[viscid spear]

FoK them

[quiet oar]

2-15 is FoK afaik

[manic vale]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[viscid spear]

Depends on if you're talented into Blindside, which considering we should be talking about dungeons, you shouldn't

[quick fox]

hi, did you manage to display mutilate in the CM ?

[coral ibex]

no, there's no reason to track mutilate in the cdm

[quick fox]

I'm not asking why, I'm asking if it's possible

[worldly sail]

only if you have blindside talented, i think

otherwise it doesn't show up

[lime edge]

When do u ever have more than 15

[runic hinge]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[lime edge]

Can u craft 1 stat items, I dont remember

[sacred oyster]

engineer bracers are, but doesnt have same good embellishments

[brave stump]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[candid jasper]

Does better CDM help with implacable being busted?

[rancid oasis]

how do you sim different poisons? i know wound poison is terrible damage but i'd like to see the difference

[ripe sphinx]

i feel like such peanut brain playing this spec

i don’t get it at all

like i feel like im following the guide properly

yet i just do nothing

log
incoming

[brave stump]

does the "smart" spread from ct cleave from me or target?

[royal lantern]

from you

CT is a aoe from yourself

[brave stump]

ye thats what i thought it always was

[ruby birch]

guys is implacable tracking just terrible on cdm

this thing does not show up sometimes

[fallow canopy]

Its bugged on blizzard side

[runic hinge]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[candid jasper]

yeah it's broken

[ruby birch]

ah ok gg

[brave stump]

but if pack is gathering and i pre dot random mob and try to get dots on main target

[fallow canopy]

Only way to track it is with arcui

[brave stump]

im fuming

[fallow canopy]

With a workaround

[candid jasper]

that's why I asked if betterCDM fixes it

[brave stump]

no bleed is bouncing

[candid jasper]

but apparently not

[ruby birch]

all good

under 1% w/e

[fallow canopy]

[fallow canopy]

Are you hitting the mob with the original bleeds?

[rancid oasis]

i feel like the range is pretty good

[cobalt dagger]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[brave stump]

https://gyazo.com/99d34e54cb0a81696ca6c2e6e28a5814

?

i feel like it should've dotted 2 globals ago

[fallow canopy]

The smart spread is not that smart that it will prioritize your current target it will just spread to targets not currently bleeding

There's other smallies there not being bled

So it spread to those first

[midnight mist]

wasnt it prio for closest mobs to you in tww

[fallow canopy]

No clue

[lime edge]

Doesn't it just take the highest bleed from all the mobs u hit and spread it to mobs without that

Dont think it cares about target

[brave stump]

alright im dotting the first flowers that pop, so i can dot more in time so the probabilty that it jumps to maintarget is higher i guess

i bet the monster energy chugger knows it

[wooden grotto]

do you crimson till all mobs have the dots then fan of knives or just crimson, im finding it difficult to use fan of knives and keeping dots up

I know fan puts the poisons on

[glossy dust]

iirc there was some sort of rules to reapplying garottes and lenghtening them - somenthing in the form u can garotte and improved one or other way around but u should never do the opposite

is there still somenthing like this or can u freely pack a improved on top of a running garotte regardless>

[brave stump]

no

you want to have your improved garrote running as long as possible

[glossy dust]

okay no that is clear to me

[brave stump]

rather drop it and reapply normal one instead of overwriting

[glossy dust]

ofc u dont want to cancel a improved trough a basic one

[brave gyro]

i think mieux just meant to garrote 2nd time in i-garr window

[brave stump]

oh

[glossy dust]

i ment in general

if im not mistaken

[glossy dust]

this is twice improved in that 6sec window

[brave gyro]

[glossy dust]

huh

oh thats what u ment

anyway doesnt seem like theres some extra rules besides having improved garotte and not reapplying a nromal one on top

[spare flume]

do you guys follow ur sims strictly ? My sims tell me to drop to 400 haste for more mastery

[wooden grotto]

I see a lot of sin rogues just using crimson tempest, im also using FoK, when do you use FoK?!

ami I doing it wrong?

[humble verge]

just put the bot in the bag

[sullen bramble]

Use crimson tempest to spread bleeds. Once spread on everything, FOK until bleeds need spreading/refreshing again

[glossy dust]

does sudden demise change gameplay in any way?

[weak crescent]

Ok just did my first ever assa key (it was a 16 xD

[scarlet meadow]

im so confused, everyone takes dashing scoundrel, but 2x scent of blood in m+ sims 7.8% higher in AOE and 1.4% higher in ST than with dashing scoundrel.
Is energy regen just too crappy without it?

[weak crescent]

genuinelly how tf

do you tell if everything has bleeds on big pulls

[scarlet meadow]

on like pull 1 of AA u should have enough energy regen to just use crimson like the whole pull, so it doesnt matter

[weak crescent]

if you just had infinite energy

would you always prefer to use ct?

[fallow canopy]

Yes

[weak crescent]

ohh i see

[loud yew]

Does this also apply to very large pulls, like algethar's first pull?

I feel like assa is so dependent on the scent of blood stacks to deal big damage

[normal mist]

You just need to CT twice for that

[coral ibex]

no, you need 10 bleeding targets to max scent in the current m+ build

[normal mist]

It changed? Nice.

Pretty shitty change

[coral ibex]

1/2 scent only gives 2% per stack but still maxes at 20

thats all

we dont take 2/2

[normal mist]

Just noticed

[lost grotto]

can i wear two crafted weapons?

[normal mist]

Yes

[loud yew]

i just go CT and Envenom back to back until I have 20 stacks or spreading on everything

but i've seen players spreading first and then chaining envenoms

[analog field]

You don't care about scent stacks

just CT envenom and when all mobs have bleeds you fok envenom

[scarlet meadow]

I guess I’m just confused if scent sims better in st and in packs of like 4-6 why use dashing scoundrel apart from massive pulls for a lil bit of poison crit

[analog field]

I think you are simming sth wrong

Scent 2/2 only gets to full faster it cannot be 8% gain

1/2 practically does the same thing so how can it be a big gain?

[lime edge]

Isnt that node also energy

[scarlet meadow]

My guess is I’m simming 4, 5, and 6 targets, 6x2=12, 6x4=20 cap, so 8% agility

[analog field]

you are simming things that are not working

you either do 1 target or dungeonslice

run a dungeonslice and check difference I would say 2/2 scent without dashing is like a 5% loss