assassination

[fallow canopy]

oh no

[royal lantern]

always has been

[lime edge]

Hell yea

Imagine 2 vanish charges that cooleddown simultaneously

[royal lantern]

BUT

if you play Elves you deserve to get killed (ingame) anyway and no deffensive will help you

[high dust]

isnt night elf rogue just for pvp tryhards??

[golden loom]

you know what class is broken with current xalatath affix? warrior. I can zerker rage to dispell the affix and its on a 30 sec cd and off the gcd

[balmy condor]

yeah, it's shit

[radiant raven]

Imagine two hearthstone charges though

[storm forum]

Meld would be a defensive if I didn't use it like this

[storm forum]

Some day I will meld another kidney shot

[lime edge]

Don't gotta imagine, im a human

[radiant raven]

He's not even a nelf!

[fallow canopy]

all elves?

[lime edge]

I was asking because maybe I would've swapped to nelf

Smh

[radiant raven]

But you should've asked the critical questions

1. Does it have cool animations
2. How does your favourite outfit look on them

[balmy condor]

[golden loom]

3. is it worth 25 euros

[crisp pine]

Lmfao

[radiant raven]

I mean if 1 and 2 are yes...

[tall jay]

Dude…you’re a god

[balmy condor]

lets see it in dungeonslice

do we think the number magically triples or something

[storm forum]

Yes

6.7%

[balmy condor]

[ruby bolt]

25 euros to swap to nelf or panda

[balmy condor]

SIX SEVEN?

[ruby bolt]

25 euros to nelf not worth

25 euros to panda is worth

think about the tmog

[storm forum]

ROKU NANA

[ruby bolt]

panda = hot

[radiant raven]

I think it's going to be 20%

[fallow canopy]

0.67%

[balmy condor]

20% talent would go dummy hard

[radiant raven]

honestly the belt is a good touch

[high dust]

...i feel insulted

[balmy condor]

WOWEE 5% WHEN IM CONSTANTLY GETTING RESTEALTHS GOING INTO PACKS

[storm forum]

[radiant raven]

I was only a small bit off

[balmy condor]

one chainpull

and it's over

[iron thorn]

[balmy condor]

gg

[storm forum]

Nooooo my 6.7%

[fallow canopy]

no 6 7

[golden loom]

now what if you run that sim as nelf

[high dust]

We gotta make it work somehow.

[lime edge]

Hey man thats like 6% actually smh

[balmy condor]

also for the record vanish in this sim is being held for chain pulls

so

that argument dies too

[storm forum]

Ty goat

[golden loom]

and also remember to sim the difference between nelf during daytime / night time

[radiant raven]

What if you made a simulation that just emulated the worst possible pug that also still managed to time the key.

[balmy condor]

dungeonroute is so back

[radiant raven]

Wouldn't it have to sim for each different key level modifer too

Which sounds awful and insane

[balmy condor]

shshhhh

minor technicalities

[radiant raven]

"Hang on guys we bricked the +18 let me resim it on +17, meet back in a week"

[balmy condor]

the way it works is that it scales the dungeon to your keylevel, and then divides the health of the mobs based on a variable you set

to model the % of damage you do in the group

so you say like "I'm gonna do 27% of the damage of the party"

and it multiplies all the hp pools by 0.27

[radiant raven]

Huh, that's a cool way to solve that

[balmy condor]

and then sims that

I mean it's a cool way to solve it

but also completely irrelevant to how a dungeon actually works

[primal gulch]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[balmy condor]

with cds from the rest of your party

[radiant raven]

Yeah, absolutely

[lime edge]

I had a bm hunter do 53k overall the other day

[radiant raven]

Just from a solve it's cool. I personally think the idea of DUngeonroutes is dumb and a waste of time outside of like, a passion project fun thing.

[lime edge]

And we still timed it

[balmy condor]

I think that's the funniest part about dungeons and dungeon sims these days

this season the dps requirements are actually so fucking low

[lime edge]

Isnt bm hunter supposed to be op

[radiant raven]

Can you tell a lot of my pug groups that please 🙁

[balmy condor]

you just end up getting curbstomped before any of your optimizations matter

[autumn sierra]

is the opener somewhere pinned? 😄

[balmy condor]

[storm forum]

I thought marks was the op hunter spec

[balmy condor]

wowhead, icyveins, any guide you like

even the shitty maxroll guides probably have an opener, although I cannot confirm their accuracy

[crisp pine]

Bad

[radiant raven]

I think a lot of people misunderstand the point of simming too and want it to be the be-all-end-all answerer which, yeah. Esp when you go down the route of simming an entire dungeon route or trying to map out a speciifc, complex boss encounter 1:1 (which isn't a thing, I guess, but is a funny thought)

[lime edge]

I think they both are

[rotund oak]

u think..

like hello

[dire flume]

tbf with this though you got to any spec discord and you'll probably be hit with "sim it" for a lot of questions

[rotund oak]

u dont play the game or something

and think

[fallow canopy]

idk if its my adblocker but this shit ain't even loading and can't change the tab to FB

[balmy condor]

funnily, simming a raid fight is possible and something I've done for the RWF, and am trying to do now to make a general model

[lime edge]

https://murlok.io/meta/dps/m+

[radiant raven]

That is extremely cool, imo

[fallow canopy]

murlok.io mentioned

[autumn sierra]

do I deathmark into garrote or vice versa?

[balmy condor]

the issue with dungeonroute modeling is that you cannot assume you're pulling the same pack at the same time, 38 minutes later

[radiant raven]

But it's also a pretty niche thing, right? For the RWF it makes sense.

[balmy condor]

but raid fights are very scripted generally

you're not in a situation where like your raid does infinity more dps and the adds spawn sooner

[radiant raven]

Yeah, but for a lot of circumstances the sim is gonna be good at answering the number crunch questions. Is X gear better than Y gear.

[balmy condor]

(most of the time)

[storm forum]

FB wants you to use shiv lmao

[balmy condor]

something like imperator averzion

the adds happen at the same time

for everyone

regardless of how good or bad your raid is

[radiant raven]

So you'd effectively be able to answer the "if X happens ever Y time. What is the optimal DPS loadout" etc?

[fallow canopy]

maxroll has the OP rotation secrets that whispyr is hiding

[balmy condor]

yeah or you can write the APL to optimize for like "is it worth my dps to go hit those adds"

"if the adds are only up for x seconds, should I fok or ct"

etc etc

[latent kernel]

Acting like I hit the adds ever

[rotund oak]

whispyr secret tech kept for himself,he's going all rogue on us with the rotational routines coz parsing

[lime edge]

Guys, sin was rank 25 in murlok, now its 15

[radiant raven]

That's cool and I am a big fan of that idea.

[balmy condor]

simulationcraft has the capability to spawn mobs on a 2d coordinate grid

no one uses it really

but it can be done

[radiant raven]

Being able to figure out if it is actually worth X player moving off to handle Y add and what is the theoretical damage loss is cool.

[balmy condor]

part of the problem I'm running into atm is trying to get the player to target swap

[summer quest]

Assa is easier to play? Im usually playing sub

[balmy condor]

and realizing that there is a very real chance I will need to add sprint and shadowstep to the APL

[high dust]

depends

[rotund oak]

in pve both are about the same

[high dust]

do u like pressing more buttons or faster? sub is easier

do u like waiting? assa is easier

[rotund oak]

in pvp sub is on another multiverse

[severe meadow]

Is uptime funky without adding those in?

[storm forum]

Shadowstep should be 500 range

[rotund oak]

shadowstep should jump to the next expansion

wdym

[storm forum]

True

[rotund oak]

[radiant raven]

Simulate chance to shadowstep the wrong thing and fall off the edge.

[balmy condor]

Idk about funky, but like, if I spawn adds 35 yards away and it takes the character 4 seconds to get over there vs 1 second

[high dust]

shadowstepping on skyreach's second boss after cones...thats the stuff...

[balmy condor]

That’s a real issue when the mobs are only alive for say 6 seconds

[severe meadow]

Yeah, that’s fair

[balmy condor]

I also have no clue atm how to make the APL prioritize the biggest clump of adds

That might not be a thing

[blazing kayak]

so as sin in high keys, after i spread all my bleeds with tempest, do i build my combo points with fan or is tempest more dmg?

[high dust]

fok

less energy cost

[blazing kayak]

oh true

duh

[balmy condor]

Like if I have a boss, a group of 3, and a group of 8, I don’t know of a way to make it run to the group of 8

[radiant raven]

Couldn't you just have it do a priority thing based on proximity + amount?

[balmy condor]

But there’s probably some hacky things I can do with time to die

[autumn sierra]

Why do I use Stealth Garrote -> into garrote again?

[balmy condor]

Yeah the problem is that idk if those variables exist for me to pull from

[radiant raven]

Although I have no idea, I've not touched computer thoughts for a long time.

[rotund oak]

cant eleem cook somethign?isnt he supposed to help u

[balmy condor]

I assume there’s something somewhere that I could hook into

[radiant raven]

Ah, right.

[sudden grotto]

All I see is using shadow step on gallywix and being ported to the other side of the room where the boss is not

[dire flume]

i win

[radiant raven]

You can't ever parse that fight again now

[dire flume]

i dont plan to i hate raiding

the rest are greens but i swear ive been lagging tonight, like a full 20 seconds i couldnt do anything on vora

[rotund oak]

20 seconds is alot

[severe meadow]

I have a 69 on Chim and Aver

[dire flume]

Raids stopping here but it can only go up from here

I need to fix my stats though I have so much haste

[radiant raven]

Blasting

[dire flume]

Very much not blastjng

But we will get there :)

[radiant raven]

Boss kills are still blasting

[balmy condor]

This isn’t an eleem cook this is a “I might have to call in a lot of favors with a lot of code monkeys that will be less than pleased to hear my requests”

[radiant raven]

That just sounds like coding in general though

[rotund oak]

sounds like a kojiyama kungfu but yeah,brother whispyr knows best

[balmy condor]

The last time someone tried to do this was mop btw and it was a disaster

So

Don’t expect much

[rotund oak]

damn thats some years ago

[humble condor]

ct does not spread poisons right? is it better then to fok once in a pack before spreading bleeds?

[frosty cedar]

CT does spread poisons like any other ability

[severe meadow]

Heroic?

[silent drift]

coming back to wow, how is sin doing? 💯 ?

[severe meadow]

Good

[silent drift]

bet, played all 3 in tww, liked sin alot, figured i'd go sin this time around first

[shell crater]

im super surprised we dont take avulsion - 20% rupture increase sounds mental

[balmy condor]

issue is mostly that 20% rupture damage is barely 2% overall

and there are much better talents than 2%

[shell crater]

Oh fairs I thought we were much more bleed dependent

[balmy condor]

avulsion is arguably the weakest talent in the bottom gate

shrouded suffocation as a comparison is nearly 4% in m+

[iron thorn]

i kinda wanna try a triple assa key

got people to do triple sub already

[shell crater]

oh wow

[iron thorn]

but triple assa sounds like it could be funny too lol

[balmy condor]

just make sure they don't all spec sudden demise

[iron thorn]

yeah that would only be me ofc

[balmy condor]

should've seen the amount of confusion from people in double rogue keys last expac

"guys my sudden demise damage is so much lower than my guildies, but we ran the same dungeon together, what am I doing wrong"

[iron thorn]

[agile wedge]

if both have dots ticking, how got decided, which sd won? 😄

[storm forum]

Whoever has more haste

[sacred oyster]

@balmy condor how much of the C++ side do you know? iirc ive seen you add code there. should be able to write some kind of targetting assistance if one doesn't eixsts.

[balmy condor]

well when a dot ticks, it checks the remaining damage of the bleeds, and if it's 1.5x more than the remaining health, the mob dies

so there's never a situation where there's a tie

[balmy condor]

I don't touch any c++

simc engine is a hell I wish upon no one

[sacred oyster]

lol. yeah ive only looked at it briefly. i'm a senior dev but trying my damndest to stay out of code for games so i can just enjoy the game

when you spend 15 years working on game related dev and very little playing

[silent drift]

We still running deathstalker for m+?

[sacred oyster]

been asleep for a month?

[silent drift]

yea

[sacred oyster]

no lol

[silent drift]

away for work for a month exaclty

[sacred oyster]

flip your coins, tell people randomly they can pick up your coins for a chance at a buff.

[silent drift]

is that troll?

or deadass lol

[normal mist]

Yes fb keys

[sacred oyster]

its a troll, friend of mine did that to another friend and he kept trying to pick up my coins

pretty damn funny though

i eventually told him, he was going to deep in getting excited over them

[silent drift]

Does CT spread improved garrote?

[digital elk]

2

[sonic zinc]

2

[severe meadow]

2

[balmy condor]

yes

why 2

[haughty flicker]

2

[static glacier]

Is this guy acting like 2hollis now?

[balmy condor]

where even 2

[static glacier]

2

[digital elk]

2 always even

[balmy condor]

wait but actually what

there's no 2 on any of the pages

[frosty cedar]

2

[static glacier]

2

[digital elk]

lol

[static glacier]

[digital elk]

Do you see it here?

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/war-within-season-3

:P

[balmy condor]

sure, that's an old guide, the buttons at the top got removed so the header broke

[frosty cedar]

rogue 2 coming soon

[balmy condor]

I don't give a shit about a tww season 3 guide

[digital elk]

Just messing around lol

It was a stale link in my bookmarks

[balmy condor]

I see

making me freak out

[digital elk]

lol i'm sorry

[frosty cedar]

wait

[balmy condor]

cause if the header is broken, it's broken on all 40 specs

and then I have

[digital elk]

no your guide is perfect

[balmy condor]

REALLY big problems

[frosty cedar]

2 + 2 = ?

[severe meadow]

67

[rancid anvil]

is there a reason i'm seeing a lot of high rating m+ assa rogues stacking mastery over crit and haste?

[frosty cedar]

the sorting hat put them into the blue dragonflight

[digital elk]

lol

[rancid anvil]

lol

[frosty cedar]

im pretty sure on mega turbo omega aoe mastery is good cause resource gen from crit and energy ultimately caps out

like, crit is still good though, shit still crits

[crude helm]

[blazing kayak]

quick question team, if i open with improved garrote on a target, do i still use regular out of stealth garrote when it hits the dynamic timer

[crude helm]

no

bad

[blazing kayak]

or do i let the improved one ffinish

[crude helm]

let finish

[blazing kayak]

oo ok figured

[frosty cedar]

yep

edge it until its right at the end

and let it finish

[crude helm]

i should call her

[static glacier]

2

[royal lantern]

atleast its not 3

[lime edge]

When i simmed it was pretty hard for mastery to beat crit

[dire flume]

I don't think you can kill mythic bosses only doing 70k

:p

[plucky ember]

oh getting DMd from gold sellers from this server

[frosty cedar]

were u simming like 50 fuckin dudes all getting the sauce at once

[severe meadow]

I mean, you def could lol

[frosty cedar]

tbh i got no idea cause I aint a filthy m+ gamer

I clock in at nexus point for my daily ring farm and thats it

[lime edge]

50 hell nah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717208422021595158/1492013071009579078/image.png?ex=69da71b4&is=69d92034&hm=08d387d7b7322ff22f4ecf7367ae761e7e594a3b17d8b6e1e7b4f5da22b9fdd8& me yesterday

And I got the belt

[hazy sundial]

Huh???

Is this tww?

[storm forum]

They probably just forgot to update the page from past seasons when shiv actually did something

It's maxroll and there's a reason we don't recommend them

We do not currently have a use for shiv as fb

[lime edge]

Yea im simming 10 target, and the game still wants more crit

[storm forum]

Haste for the haste gods

[lime edge]

These are my stats

The sim was using crit flask too

And crit weapon enchants

I think its just because of puzzle box

[calm grail]

Is fatal concoction better than secondary poisoning in higher keys?

[balmy condor]

it's not a key-level thing

fatal conc does single target, and is better after 8-10 mobs

secondary is better at everything in between

[calm grail]

Is it just better then? I'm looking at a lot of keys and seeing it universally ran at the higher end.

[balmy condor]

they're playing it for the boss damage

[lime edge]

I was simming higher on fatal

Even for dslice

Isnt fatal also aoe tho?

[calm grail]

I see one or two thrown precisions dropped for double fatal

but not often

[balmy condor]

yeah but it gets mogged to shit by secondary in cleave

[lime edge]

Hmm

[balmy condor]

okay this one actually sounds fucking insane to me

fatal/secondary is basically interchangeable

[calm grail]

Seems super rare

[balmy condor]

that one I get

[calm grail]

Just one person who was top 5 did it

Could have been a contextual reason

[lime edge]

You can actually just check easily on murlok

[balmy condor]

yeah but fuck murlok lmao

[lime edge]

I mean it just shows what ppl run

Smh

[balmy condor]

he doesn't know

[lime edge]

Is murlok a bitcoin miner on my pc

[balmy condor]

murlok doesn't give a fuck what you ran keys with

it scrubs your armory when you log out

and then just spits it back out with their own UI

[lime edge]

Oh that, I guess

Its mostly accurate tho no?

Thats m+ talent tree

[balmy condor]

yeah as long as you're not looking up someone who logged out after raid

works great!

[lime edge]

Its showing a bunch of ppl at once is what i mean xdd

[cosmic robin]

Do we still vanish before DM?

[lime edge]

So there might be a few raid talent builds in there but should mostly be m+

[balmy condor]

as long as you don't hit a landmine walking through that suspiciously well-cleaned field in the middle east, it's a very scenic walk

[balmy condor]

you can if you'd like

helps keep them synced I suppose

that's nice

[calm grail]

Yk what would be nice?

[cosmic robin]

eitherway i would use it to drop fixate on vorasius

[calm grail]

Puzzlebox not having a cast.

It's not bad, just feels annoying

[balmy condor]

that's fucking crazy

the duality of assassination players

50% bitching about needing to vanish for dps in keys

50% using vanish to drop a fixate

I love this spec

[lime edge]

You mean for the gremlins in vorasius?

[calm grail]

Nah

[lime edge]

Is it something you can just evasion

Idr

[calm grail]

You know what I bitch about? Thinking about when to send CD's based on a pug tanks routes.

[balmy condor]

the fixate doesn't do shit for damage

he's doing it for boss uptime

[cosmic robin]

for the bugs yea, going backline in first intermission is crazy for assa

[lime edge]

Oh

[balmy condor]

so he doesn't have to hold 10 seconds for a non-deathmark kingsbane

and can auto

[lime edge]

Ive done vorasius like twice i dont remember

[calm grail]

That's a good idea.

I should do that.

Wait...

No..

[balmy condor]

is it

[cosmic robin]

and bitch about my energy cuz of env spam

[balmy condor]

perfect

[calm grail]

What's more damage? Vanish for DM #2

[lime edge]

Does PI get excluded from parses, I dont remember

[calm grail]

or waiting for Kb?

[crisp pine]

I use vanish to survive when my party dies so I don't get rep costs

[balmy condor]

no

[crisp pine]

it's brilliant really

[lime edge]

Doesn't that mean every top parse is just PI

Or what

[royal lantern]

only if you get more PI's then a single player can give you

[balmy condor]

no

[coral ibex]

wait does vanish actually drop the vora fixate

[balmy condor]

yeh

[royal lantern]

but like

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[lime edge]

Oh

[royal lantern]

why would youu do that

[lime edge]

[balmy condor]

for the uptime man you don't get it

[royal lantern]

go in position, press CT once, adds die, you can hit boss again lol

[coral ibex]

i am NOT running to the back of the room and doing fucking nothing for 20 seconds my guy

[fallow canopy]

Nah fuck that let the other people deal with that

[coral ibex]

some other bozo in my raid can take the L

[royal lantern]

then hit the fucking adds lol

[balmy condor]

you can't

[royal lantern]

i swear you guys will do nothing that actually helps with killing the boss

[cosmic robin]

But in Myth the "position" is 3 miles away from the boss

[balmy condor]

they have to be staggered and killed at the back of the room

[coral ibex]

you have to literally run to the back of the arena and kill the mobs individually

[storm forum]

Does meld drop the fixate?

[royal lantern]

you mean the adds that spawn near players right

so like

you take the warlock gate

the spawn in the back row

you hit them on the wall

[balmy condor]

how is your guild doing the fight

that sounds awful

[coral ibex]

no bro this is purely a selfish act, we already dont send melee to hit the adds if they dont get the fixate

[fallow canopy]

Or vanish and do none of that

[coral ibex]

if you are melee and get an add you are just in the shadow realm

[radiant raven]

Wait they spawn on players?

[royal lantern]

first add spawns people take a warlock gate so the adds dont have to walk for 2 hours across the arena

[coral ibex]

and the first one happens precisely when kb comes back up

[radiant raven]

Or near.

[royal lantern]

idk how thats horrible

[radiant raven]

Because I thought it was random

[coral ibex]

they spawn randomly and fixate

[royal lantern]

near them, yeha

[balmy condor]

so the boss starts screaming and the entire raid does a fuck off warlock gate?

[coral ibex]

they dont spawn near the fixated players necessarily

[radiant raven]

I had a big argument in a pug about this and I am VINDICATED.

[royal lantern]

first add set is done in like 15 sec that way for us

after that its w/e anyway for the following sets, jst hit boss and cleave the adds down

[coral ibex]

bro im playing ST talents

[balmy condor]

yeh ain't no one playing CT on that shit

[coral ibex]

only the last set of adds is anywhere near cleave range to the boss

[silent drift]

with the rupture talent being removed, where am i getting energy from now?

[crisp pine]

apex

[balmy condor]

what

which rupture talent

[crisp pine]

dw about it

[sacred oyster]

that wording, he means VW

the change to it

[silent drift]

yeah vw

[balmy condor]

vw still exists

[sacred oyster]

your wording was horrible graz lol

[silent drift]

ope, myb

[coral ibex]

it just got obliterated

[crisp pine]

wish that was me tbh

[balmy condor]

[lime edge]

Bring back exsang

[digital elk]

beautiful* font I want that for my combat text

[lime edge]

Yea i dont even notice the dying part working

[fallow canopy]

*hotfixed

[lime edge]

What did they do

[balmy condor]

the dying part was hard coded to 10 energy per tick remaining

and now it's the energy you would've gotten

[lime edge]

Oh

[royal lantern]

wait, you read your talents??

[balmy condor]

so like if you have 5 ruptures out and one of them dies

that would like

idk 0.9 energy per tick remaining or something

[digital elk]

Nah i don't read my talents, I mean *their ms paint mousewriting

[lime edge]

Wouldnt it be 3 energy per tick

Or am I misunderstanding

[balmy condor]

no cause it's reduced beyond the first

[coral ibex]

no if you have more than 1 rupture they give 1 per

[lime edge]

Oh

[coral ibex]

[lime edge]

[balmy condor]

so like in single target it's 3

in 2 target it's like 1.75 for each, so 3.5 total

then it's like 3.8 total for 3 bleeds

so on and so forth

[lime edge]

I remember my energy filling on killing a pack

[coral ibex]

yea

no longer

[lime edge]

The good times

[balmy condor]

the math behind it is closer to like

the energy being split

but still increasing

[crisp pine]

atleast sniping shitter mobs with stuff is gonna make a comeback soon

[balmy condor]

like you still get more energy coming in with every additional bleed

but it's like 3 energy baseline split between all your bleeds

and every additional bleed gives you a bit more

[lime edge]

Seems pretty useless tho?

Compared to before

[balmy condor]

I mean compared to before you were also overcapping roughly 2/3rds of all energy generated in aoe

so idk how good of a comparison that is

[lime edge]

I guess its better if u play sudden demise

[royal lantern]

i mean, its not supposed to be a big payoff or anything like that

its a very small energy gain so less is "wasted"

[balmy condor]

like yeah it's "useless" compared to before, because before was actually just so insanely overkill

[crisp pine]

Id rather have big energy gain with lots of waste tbh

[fallow canopy]

Just casually refilling energy on mug zee adds

[severe meadow]

That leads to waste

[lime edge]

@fallow canopy because u have mo incentive to refresh bleeds

[severe meadow]

We overcapped energy in TWW an insane amount

[lime edge]

More

[crisp pine]

bro

[lime edge]

What bro

[crisp pine]

nothing that's a good point

[lime edge]

[balmy condor]

they shoved a lot of the energy they took away from VW into base regen

so like single target ends up being around the same

[tidal shuttle]

is there some energy reg debuff on l'ura intermission? i'm sitting on 0 energy for some reason during it

[runic hinge]

Did your poisons fall off

[brave stump]

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah. Plenty of time left.

[brave stump]

hella cursed comp

brew, mistweaver, ret, shadow, assa

xd

friends gaming

[lime edge]

Did u get pi

[brave stump]

hell yeah

[lime edge]

[brave stump]

Bleeds

[hidden torrent]

i see a few people mentioning sudden demise today, but surely no one is running it, right?

i haven't found an instance of any top keys running this

[balmy condor]

it's for shitter weekly keys and memes

[latent kernel]

what is the diffference between eyes of the eagle rank 1 and rank 2

both of the tooltips say they increase by 1%

[hidden torrent]

i see i see, that makes more sense.

[balmy condor]

goes from 0.75% to 1.25%

[latent kernel]

i see

[balmy condor]

we love rounding

[latent kernel]

it literally makes no sense lmao

why they would have it like that

[balmy condor]

tooltips using integers I guess

[high dust]

Good enough ratio?
(Finally changed neck.)

[severe meadow]

19 celery

[brave gyro]

Celery dad

[high dust]

Gotta love the memes whenever I post in-game screenshot with spanish text.

I do it just for that.

[brave gyro]

here's me (crit flask + oils)

[high dust]

mine was without it

i think i need to up my CELERIDAD game.

[severe meadow]

I think I’m 40% crit and 40% mastery when all buffed up

[brave gyro]

Big Jay with the big stats

[lime edge]

This me unbuffed

[severe meadow]

I probably could use some haste tbh

[lime edge]

Why dont they just remove vers

It's a plague stat

[high dust]

cause pvp i guess

[lime edge]

Pvp and pve gear is already half separated no

Surely they can figure that out

[high dust]

yeah but vers is useful in some way in pve, pvp power or whatever it was called...it wasnt

[toxic zephyr]

!macros

[runic hinge]

Resilience

[worn geyser]

Does mastery's value in dungeon slice end up becoming relatively equal to haste/crit or is the gap still wide, I swapped my gearset around to go from ~600 crit to 1150 and dropped to 300 mastery but raidbots still wants more crit for dungeon slice but ngl it might be mental illness but I believe I actually have ended up doing less dmg(which variance etc prolly accounts for tbh) but I wanted to check to make sure its just me being crazy

[balmy condor]

mastery good for aoe

[severe meadow]

@thorn thorn

[thorn thorn]

Bruh how did you know

I was literally about to make a shitpost

[severe meadow]

I could smell you

[thorn thorn]

Do I smell good

[severe meadow]

Like a femboy

[high dust]

Then yes

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1486152563371016261/00-4x.gif

[brave gyro]

Mastery over oneself is invaluable

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-tony-stark-stark-marvel-gif-17393801647231111264

[runic hinge]

We got a pets thread ya know

[severe meadow]

What if that’s not my pet and just a random dog

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr does not approve of my pets

[runic hinge]

Well I mean you can post

[severe meadow]

I personally enjoyed the cat

[runic hinge]

I’m not gonna stop you

[thorn thorn]

not the cat

something else

[balmy condor]

????? you're the pet

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1486152563371016261/00-4x.gif

[balmy condor]

we've already determined this

[thorn thorn]

To who

[severe meadow]

Who owns the leash

[balmy condor]

chai obviously

[thorn thorn]

hell naw

Rox dont do that

[frosty briar]

It's true

[thorn thorn]

chai wtf

[balmy condor]

chai your dog is being unruly

[thorn thorn]

I am not a dog

[balmy condor]

see?

muzzle him pls

[spice spire]

You ever barked in your life king?

[frosty briar]

[thorn thorn]

never have never will

[balmy condor]

wait, this is the rogue discord

I can muzzle him myself

[thorn thorn]

wtf

[spice spire]

Yeah okay buddy I can change that

[thorn thorn]

good luck

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

@thorn thorn bark now bud

you can't

[spice spire]

Damn tell that fraud

[balmy condor]

he's pounding sand rn

tail wagging, tongue out

[spice spire]

Gonna call you sand in this scenario homie

[balmy condor]

well behaved doggy on the beach

:jartik: :Tailwag:

[lethal arrow]

whispyr its ssf

tomorrow

[lone pasture]

muting rox well done but now hes sending me the feet pics

[royal lantern]

win win

[severe meadow]

Not sharing with the class is diabolical work

[high dust]

why do i stop reading for 1 second and this turns into some kind of bdsm petting or whatever

[balmy condor]

rox is into that

[severe meadow]

It never stops.. you just don’t notice it

[balmy condor]

we don't judge him

[high dust]

and u guys dont invite me???????????

[severe meadow]

@spice spire has your leash

[balmy condor]

rox if you don't want to be leashed and walked around a dog park on all fours speak now

[spice spire]

I have all of your leashes fwiw

[balmy condor]

see?

he's silent

[spice spire]

Even my German twink’s

[high dust]

Damn.

[thorn thorn]

I am sending you to bugboy hooters for that one

[high dust]

https://tenor.com/view/mikyx-g2-mikyx-gif-6586578123883159165

[spice spire]

Is that supposed to be a punishment

[thorn thorn]

Yes

Its all ants

I am putting fireants in his pillow

Homegrown

[spice spire]

What if he’s like that one ant green text and is into that

Hold

[thorn thorn]

the what now

[thorn thorn]

I am being oppressed

[spice spire]

Damn I can’t find it

[fallow canopy]

punishment or reward?

[thorn thorn]

Punishment

[lone pasture]

reward

[glossy dust]

loool gave up mage already?

[thorn thorn]

chancel stfu

[whole wind]

Need help, from follow assa gamers, i use Platynator and it shows all my debuffs on targets. idealy i just want to see Garrot and rupture

So i can see when all targets have dots, how do you guys track your dots in big pulls ???

[sacred oyster]

mine only shows garrot/rupture and dm/kb but those are cds and not a big deal

[dire flume]

If you're cold they're cold

Put them in your foreskin

[sacred oyster]

go fix your blizz nameplate settings to enable default filter list, maybe you messed something up there

[whole wind]

do you use platnyator as well ?

[sacred oyster]

yep

[high dust]

same

[spice surge]

Idk you have a profile with the default filter turned off

[digital kelp]

yo guys can i ask ? I play all specs this season,I crafted 1 dagger and 1 axe weapon...when i played assa and sub i had dagger in main hand and axe in off,for outlaw i just swaped weapons...now assa doesnt work with 1 dagger ? was it bug from the start ?

[high dust]

tho idk how, i just copied some guy

[spice surge]

Both assa and sub needs 2 daggers

[high dust]

2 daggers always

both sub and- what eleem said.

[whole wind]

i use the standard version rn

[high dust]

tho u can transmog on anything u want

[spice surge]

Technically you can play sub without it but you lose like 10% of all of your energy and combo points so it's really really bad

[digital kelp]

oh,but i played even assa with just 1 dagger 😄 guess it was bugged then

[whole wind]

@sacred oyster i might need abit of guidance, what do i need to fix and where ?

[lime edge]

[sacred oyster]

are you seeing poisons too or something

[plain thistle]

this probably

[sacred oyster]

oh there you go

[plain thistle]

click on the debuff and mark "important"

[sacred oyster]

oh i need for you as valeera was fucking with me seeing her rupture

[high dust]

Welcome to the best part

[lime edge]

wait that doesnt ignore cap

[high dust]

nope

[whole wind]

TY! Been going insane over this the last 2 hours rofl

[high dust]

thats why I have these in the bag

champion capped as fuck

[lime edge]

crazy how i still dont get invited to 10s quickly

[high dust]

you'll never be

[coral ibex]

do 12's

[high dust]

cause if u queue a +10 or more its like 20 dpss trying to join

[coral ibex]

many good players simply do 12's instead to not deal with affixes

and there will be fewer applicants than to 10's

[lime edge]

im applying to +10 academy

[high dust]

and its not like those affixes are hard...

[lime edge]

my highest is a 14

and im 275 ilvl

273*

doomed

[coral ibex]

yea its just unnecessary work to do the affixes when 12's are basically as easy as 10's

[runic hinge]

you're an easy 10

[coral ibex]

[lime edge]

im still on a champion puzzle box

[high dust]

same

my trinkets and rings are champion shit

and back too

[lime edge]

puzzlebox my only champion

[high dust]

tho gauntlets...too but i have hero-track waiting for a charge

[lime edge]

but i do need some 3/6 hero pieces tho

to save on crests

[severe meadow]

I also have a champ PB

And I’m like 277, mf is holding me back

[high dust]

274 myself

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/swear-to-god-iswtg-put-that-on-allah-q86UfoY4LT6amCbTp8

[lime edge]

it just feeds into the cap

actually i can just q for 6s

if i just want box

[high dust]

yep

u can

and u know what?

[lime edge]

i already have 2 other 3/6 hero trinkets

[high dust]

u can go sudden demise and enjoy it

[balmy condor]

shax figuring out how game systems work might be my favorite recent addition to the channel

this is great

[lime edge]

hey pal

[spice surge]

6s are probably harder than 10s ngl

[lime edge]

good one

[high dust]

because people trying to get carried with quest's gear

[spice surge]

Not memeing

[coral ibex]

no thats real life

[lime edge]

im pretty sure i can do a 6 as the only dps

[coral ibex]

you cant imagine the creatures doing 6's rn

[lime edge]

[high dust]

creatures is a good way to define it

[spice surge]

Well yeah but what if your tank just fucking dies to air

[sacred oyster]

specially this week, that affix fucking sucks

[lime edge]

ill tank dw

i pop evasion

and tank

[balmy condor]

6's is to keystones as planet fitness is to gyms

and I will not elaborate

[lime edge]

sudden demise gonna make me buss

[thorn thorn]

Truer words have never been spoken

[lime edge]

oh my

this tank is on something

[runic hinge]

I know a soft 6 but I won’t ping him

[balmy condor]

I will @spice spire

[spice surge]

You guys are 6" while soft?

[balmy condor]

6cm

[spice spire]

Teehee

[spice spire]

Yeah okay lil gup

[cosmic robin]

guys, how we playin nexus king on myth. Cleve and Spread from boss?

[sacred oyster]

ass shank him until dead

[calm grail]

What buff for AA?

[rugged basalt]

I take crit (black i think)

[sacred oyster]

i dont think the AA buffs would be subject to DR so i dont see why youd ever not take crit (unless you were like god and had 100% crit?)

[lethal arrow]

u get sat for more ranged

cuz its a ranged fight

[cosmic robin]

Just comparing with other myth assa kills and they also just cleave/CT

but with way more dmg. skill issue i guess

[frosty cedar]

play cleave build

fist the boss

[cosmic robin]

But i only CT the big orbs, right?
The small ones only for FoK

[frosty cedar]

when I did it I just CTd everything

works for me

I think I pressed fok twice on the entire pull

[kindred cobalt]

guys im having an "issue" when i let envenom buff expire to gain the energy regen, if i envenom again while the regen from apex is up, it doesn't show me the apex stacks . i need to look at my buffs bar to check how much stacks i got. (im using ArcUI , idk if this matters)
there is any way to fix this ?

[cosmic robin]

felt like they dont life long enough for CT, but maybe thats it

[frosty cedar]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[kindred cobalt]

thanks mate!

[frosty cedar]

CT does more dmg than fok without thrown precision and would do so anyway likely if they dont have any bleeds

it also spreads internal bleeding

[cosmic robin]

Youre right!

[frosty cedar]

my advice for this fight is just to not hold any CDs as they will naturally line up for the part when adds spawn anyway

and you can pool a little for the 25% dmg buff phase if your low on energy

[trim cairn]

Sudden demise doesnt work as intended

Either that or its reduced in pvp?

[frosty cedar]

its reduced in pvp

its sub 10%

[trim cairn]

Sadge.. it doesn't even trigger instantly so it won't actually trigger until 5% hp

[cosmic robin]

Yea, i blasted DM and Kingsbane on CD worked out fine.
Only thing which might be done different was i refreshed some bleeds on ~10-12s so the bleeds are longer on the big orb.

[trim cairn]

22k damage on a 400k target

[balmy condor]

it checks on every dot tick

[trim cairn]

Yeah but in practice unless dots ticks them to exactly 10% hp in practice you arent getting even that value from it

[muted ridge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

yep

welcome to pvp

[lime edge]

do ur dots even tick for 5% hp at once

no way

[trim cairn]

From 5 attempts it averaged 22k damage :p

Yeah they do if you go bleed build

Rupture Garrote Internal bleeding and Deathmark did combined 359k hp in one application

[balmy condor]

I didn't realize anyone took scent of blood in pvp to even allow for sudden demise

[trim cairn]

I was just testing because Sudden demise was doing 50k+ dps in lower keys :p

[balmy condor]

I see

[proven carbon]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[trim cairn]

Just wanted to show what the talent did to the healer only for both of us to be sorely disappointed lol

Anticlimatic to see the "big secret tech" do 22k damage 😛

[balmy condor]

it's just a shit talent all around

[thorn thorn]

Nerfed too much

[trim cairn]

It used to be better?

[thorn thorn]

Ya it was a lot better

[balmy condor]

well the execute part was always 150%

but the passive bleed increase, which is the thing we care about

that used to be higher

[balmy condor]

used to be 15% instead of 10%

the execute part used to be 200% at one point instead of 150%, so that actually got buffed

but the execute is the dogshit part

so

[frosty cedar]

they should make the sudden demise dead guy fukin explode that would fix the talent

[runic hinge]

Scent isn’t bad in solo shuffle cause you can easily have 3 ruptures out

And in bgb it’s fine if you get to be in the battle and can cleave there too

[trim cairn]

That would be sick

[frosty cedar]

bro just blows the fuck up and adds his remaining dot duration to every other mob, chain sudden demise

giga explosion moment

[balmy condor]

there's plenty of ways to make sudden demise good

[trim cairn]

Bro is cooking

[balmy condor]

but then we would just take it and everyone would go back to complaining about our ST again

[balmy condor]

bro had to go find some old version of exsanguinate that only existed for a week

that's crazy

[frosty cedar]

reading that is so disgusting

[lime edge]

yea i was gonna say

i dont remember this exsang

[thorn thorn]

Bruv found the active version of sanguine blades

omegakek

[balmy condor]

yeh

[lime edge]

exsang was faster bleeds right

[balmy condor]

that was a ptr version of sanguine blades

[dire flume]

Do assassination rogues like it when funnel is high or do you all hate it

[balmy condor]

depends which assa rogue you ask

we love disagreeing on everything around here

[frosty cedar]

yes its good

[royal lantern]

i dont agree with you there

and you are stinky

[frosty cedar]

if your a funnel spec like assa its harder to go out of your way to omega turbo fist pad so you get less degenerates

[balmy condor]

100% not true

well

maybe true

you do get less degenerates

[thorn thorn]

I like funnel because funnel is cool

[balmy condor]

they're just more degenerate on average

[frosty cedar]

its the less degenerates that I prefer

[lime edge]

i like more damage

i dont care about funnel

[frosty cedar]

I prefer to be able to parse by not doing disgusting things that grief raid

[balmy condor]

like being a funnel spec gets you less animals, but the animals that will simp for prio damage and think they're superior beings for doing so

those fuckers

are vile

[trim cairn]

Are you certain it checks every dot tick?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[high dust]

i like big pp dam numbers

[runic hinge]

Remember when we used to blast overall but do tank dps single target

[frosty cedar]

I mean sometimes sudden seems giga cooked like u can legit go to open world and dot up a mob and watch it tick to 0 cleanly without sudden even proccing so its clearly somewhat cooked sometimes

[thorn thorn]

havoc players last season saying they are doing terrible cuz they do funnel

meanwhile havoc among top overall for keys and having funnel

[thorn thorn]

SD broken in open world

[trim cairn]

I mean it consistently doesnt proc until its way below 35%

[thorn thorn]

[frosty cedar]

[thorn thorn]

Always has been actually

Pretty sure its broken in delves too

[runic hinge]

Open world this expansion has been ok but I’ve already noticed it being fucked in delves badly

[balmy condor]

it also has an internal cooldown per target

[frosty cedar]

[balmy condor]

so it has the opportunity to proc on shit like stuff with shields

not kill

and then just be 30s cd

[frosty cedar]

it is what it is

[trim cairn]

I'm just testing on mobs with 300k hp, they should bleed out instantly on 90k hp or below, but it consistently doesnt proc until less than 30k hp :p

105k hp even

[thorn thorn]

open world or delves

Cuz its broken in both places

[trim cairn]

Open world

[thorn thorn]

gg

Its been broken since its release in open world

[balmy condor]

I mean, are you also sure that you have 157.5k worth of bleeds on the target for it to kill

[trim cairn]

Yeah I have 350k worth of bleeds on the target

[runic hinge]

Open world is so weird bc sometimes I feel like I kill mobs from half

And sometimes it doesn’t seem like it procs

[thorn thorn]

yep

[balmy condor]

probably just open world scaling

[trim cairn]

At least they did 359k in one application on a level 90 pvp target

Combined

[balmy condor]

okay well

PVP is not open world

so that's irrelevant

the tuning is completely different

[thorn thorn]

pvp modifiers strike again

[trim cairn]

Is prey tuned differently?

[runic hinge]

PvP is tuned diff

[trim cairn]

Yes

But I cant find any targets that dont die from one bleed application each 😛

Apart from rares or prey

[thorn thorn]

Prey should be normal but its also open world so its jank

delves broken too

Might have to try a normal dungeon or something ig

SD spaghetti asf

[balmy condor]

less that SD is spaghetti and more that open world scaling is spaghetti

from my understanding there's some eldritch technology that does the scaling on the shard itself

which is why SD breaks

cause like, it has to balance out the health you see on mobs

vs the health others see

so it's gotta do that math, and then spit it back out at you

and SD just cannot keep up with that

[runic hinge]

Math is for nerds

[distant moon]

casualaddict drops razorwire/secondarypoison for 2/2 fatal conc doing 19/20 keys

[balmy condor]

sure, that makes sense to me

those are the slush points you can just move around at will

[rugged basalt]

good news i ++'d my first 12 and it was mc

[lime edge]

wow its actually impossible to find old exsang

[runic hinge]

Good

Leave it in the past

[balmy condor]

it's better this way

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr I had a great idea

What if KB ticked every second instead of every 2

[balmy condor]

okay

where are you going with this

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[trim cairn]

Is the scaling correct for training dummies then?

[thorn thorn]

more KB damage

[frosty cedar]

🔥

[thorn thorn]

open world

[balmy condor]

it wouldn't be more kb damage

it would be the same damage

[thorn thorn]

keep duration at 14

more ticks more dammy dealt

[balmy condor]

that is not how that works

dots have a total damage pool they deal

[lime edge]

what if kingsbane counted as a lethal poison

[balmy condor]

you're just cutting the cake into 14 slices instead of 7

[balmy condor]

it does

[lime edge]

oh

u get 2 kingsbanes with deathmark?

[frosty cedar]

they should make it so that kingsbane does a dot and then if the target survives it suffers 77.5667% attack power damage and you gain 1 use of any stealth ability for 5 sec.

[lime edge]

tf

[balmy condor]

okay well

[fallow canopy]

What if KB dealt more damage to salhadaar since he's a king

[trim cairn]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

obviously not for fucking that

[lime edge]

[storm forum]

It would probably be less damage actually, cause the in between ticks would tick with fewer stacks

[balmy condor]

gotta use your brain a little bit

[lime edge]

hey man

that says lethal poison

[marble hemlock]

hes a fallen king, so itd no longer work

[balmy condor]

yes, it makes all your poisons apply twice so kingsbane ramps twice as fast and then it also doubles kingsbane so it's actually 4x

very logical

[lime edge]

[fallow canopy]

Fuck! There's too many small print on the KB contract

[balmy condor]

me when I don't have a turn with the braincell

[storm forum]

Hell yeah, the buff we deserve

[thorn thorn]

Me literally 15 seconds ago

[lime edge]

does kingsbane even count as weapon poison

[frosty cedar]

no

[balmy condor]

no

weapon poisons are the hour long buffs

[thorn thorn]

Ok fine you win whispyr

[storm forum]

I love having all our damage front loaded into dm and having our in between kb get rebalanced to do so little we might as well not even cast it

[thorn thorn]

I will settle for uncapping KB and 30% buff to it

Twist my arm why dont you

[lime edge]

does this part even work on kingsbane

[storm forum]

Keep KB capped, but make every extra stack cast a 9 CP envenom

[balmy condor]

you could just say you want kb to be a 2min cd

[balmy condor]

no, we just discussed this

[lime edge]

i was talking about the 2x application

[thorn thorn]

I liked KB better when it was a ST nuke button

[lime edge]

smh

[thorn thorn]

Call me a boomer

[frosty cedar]

they should call the capstone "surrender to kingsbane" but its duration is based on ticks which increases in ticks per second used up over the duration but the amount of ticks it casts is increased by the stacks

[lime edge]

xdd

[balmy condor]

yes, it makes all your poisons apply twice so kingsbane ramps twice as fast and then it also doubles kingsbane so it's actually 4x

[thorn thorn]

[lime edge]

actually 8x

[frosty cedar]

[ornate tundra]

Guys can I have the braincell for a sec

[storm forum]

[thorn thorn]

Ask whispr

[frosty cedar]

its busy atm make an appointment

[thorn thorn]

He is the one who has it rn

[marble hemlock]

its been booked weeks in advance

[balmy condor]

having been in this chat for the last 5 minutes, I don't think there's a braincell

I think the braincell killed itself

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-wow-gif-20115874

[frosty cedar]

im afraid you may be getting ragebaited

[thorn thorn]

Bro you let it die on your watch???

[fallow canopy]

This has string of servitude poe memes vibes

[lime edge]

poe

[storm forum]

The survival hunters currently have the braincel

[balmy condor]

idk, the line between ragebait and actual fucking idiot

is very thin