#assassination

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crisp pine
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I like how semi-hardcore means less than hardcore but semi-casual means more than casual

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cause semi has no intrinstic meaning

cyan barn
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Thanks for the words, fam. Back to the grind.

crisp pine
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Ive awoken the linguists

sacred oyster
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i look at it as what content I do participate in, try to do the best at that content.

spare kayak
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guys, do we know if there's an addon or whatever to make CDM show the new stacks of impacable while having the energy regen buff active?

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cdm doesnt allow it, and it drives me nuts

primal parrot
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im not fully washed nowadays im only semi washed

sacred oyster
slate nest
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Any 1 know if plume counts as a classic proc trinket, thus interfering with gaze procs? Or is it not considered one?

fallow canopy
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With a work around

hidden robin
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we don't run fatal concoction anymore?

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:O

sacred oyster
hidden robin
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hmm okay

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so i'm assuming raid = raid cleave in the talent pages on wowhead

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no more poison bomb either?

sacred oyster
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i thought you meant mythic since thats where FC is not used, FC is used in Raid, but poison bomb is taken in mythic

hidden robin
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yeah at first i was talking about mythic

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sorry for misleading

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i'm guessing there's no universal page then

sacred oyster
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the "Raid" one is some MT focus but still more bias towards ST

hidden robin
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cus this is what i was running before the changes

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for both raid/mythic lol

sacred oyster
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oh def wouldnt use same build for both types of content

analog field
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raid usually wants blindside

sacred oyster
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easy to switch

spare kayak
sacred oyster
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someone recommended arcui above. i personally use elvui so i did it with that, but seems like most dont want to go full on into elvui lol

gray raven
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what's the dps loss of playing sudden demise? is it more than 1-2%?

hidden robin
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for raidbots do u guys sim patchwerk 3 or 5 target for aoe

coral ibex
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no blindside in raid jesus christ

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we dont sim patchwerk for aoe

fallow canopy
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ArcUI my beloved duckdisco

hidden robin
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u guys just go off vibes or something?

sudden grotto
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Dungeonslice

gray raven
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it's dungeon slice

fallow canopy
hidden robin
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understood

sacred oyster
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I wish raidbots let you build your own custom dungeon slices. i know how to do with advanced, but then cant use it for Top Gear 🙁

fallow canopy
coral ibex
sacred oyster
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oh nvm, you meant the guys img above

hidden robin
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it prob doesn't matter too too much for me

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i log on like

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once or twice a week to play wow

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and at most i do lfr

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LOL

sacred oyster
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blindside matters a lot lol but yeah just make multiple builds

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takes 5s to switch

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i guess to be fair one of my people didnt know they could have multiple builds saved, she kept clicking the import into current checkbox... so just incase you didnt know, just import multiple and give each a name.

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i wish gear sets tied to a talent build specifically too and not just specs. anyone know if any addon does that?

analog field
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you can have equipped sets

sacred oyster
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ie if i switch to pvp gear set to do pvp talent spec, raid gear set to raid spec

analog field
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and change with one button

sacred oyster
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yeah but they are tied to a sin/sub, not sin > raid, sin > mythic

analog field
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you can have sin raid

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syn myth

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and just click it

sacred oyster
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i didnt see a way to set the talent tree, guess need to look more

hidden robin
analog field
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you just have many sets for the same spec and you do it manually

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click the m+set and you change

spice spire
sacred oyster
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now ima have to switch pcs to go look lol

fallow canopy
coral ibex
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there's no sanity left after 12 hours of paladins prog

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i just see yellow everywhere

spice spire
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Mf too rogue pilled

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They just see yellow everywhere

fallow canopy
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I'm so good at dodging shit I dodged the fight entirely garf

spice spire
subtle tundra
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penis!

fallow canopy
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meow

strange onyx
subtle tundra
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no fking shot youre playing paladins for 12 hours

coral ibex
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nah its more like uhhh 8 hours

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but we have another 3 tonight

subtle tundra
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that boss is NOT that hard

coral ibex
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our healers are just not having a good time

spice spire
coral ibex
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damn apparently its only been like 4 hours, that doesn't seem right

fallow canopy
coral ibex
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its probably only counting fight time and not wipe time

fallow canopy
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time flies fast when you are having fun

spice spire
coral ibex
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we did half of thursday, all of monday, and half of tuesday

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on this boss

spice spire
fallow canopy
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you kill it today I believe

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as soon as you get through 5:30 ish combo without everyone melting its gg

coral ibex
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it might be more useful for me to just level a dh and gear it as devo

fallow canopy
fresh kelp
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it's back to rogue on beloren and lura though!

severe meadow
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Not excited about it

coral ibex
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it just sucks having basically no agency over a fight

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i do poop damage and i can't even immune the soaks to help healers out

twilit python
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yeah ive been chilling on the bench last few bosses of voidspire

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in for march though

modest glen
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the one guy playing assassin in 19 keys putting the spec on the leaderboard shout out to you

sudden brook
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I finally get to work on my house

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Silver lining folks

runic hinge
fallow canopy
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that shit is the 🐐

sudden brook
spice spire
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gulp

subtle tundra
runic hinge
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Time for end boss and housing this man can do it all !! Also go rogue! End boss king

sudden brook
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But we are pulling it (not me)

drifting cloud
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yeah bird is demonic lol they need to take like 5-10% off egg hp

subtle tundra
twilit python
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hearing bird is unkillable is not good news

sacred oyster
subtle tundra
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its crazy how they buffed a boss the same week they nerfed it

sudden brook
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Well it's more they nerfed Aug

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And Aug was very very broken on the fight

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And didn't Nerf the bird enough

drifting cloud
subtle tundra
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idk how they looked at wf guilds 3 heal it with the gear we have this week and struggle

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and thought thats ok

sudden brook
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If they didn't Nerf Aug it'd be killable

subtle tundra
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but also require perfect comp

sacred oyster
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ive only done it on normal where its pretty damn easy, is the problem maintaining people alive to repeat the loop?

subtle tundra
drifting cloud
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the dps check to kill it in 2 egg is just crazy high

sacred oyster
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oh, its a phase limit?

runic hinge
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Do more damage Ryler…wtf

sacred oyster
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thought youd just keep repeating until done

drifting cloud
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well after every egg the phase gets harder

subtle tundra
drifting cloud
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dont think anyone has even gotten to 3rd egg before

subtle tundra
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but you dont want to

weary stump
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🥚

normal mist
twilit python
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well not that bad my guild didnt kill crown yesterday then

fallow canopy
storm forum
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ds qol is coming

runic hinge
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12 days

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DS funnel copers will be here any minute

sudden brook
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But technically killable

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Rn it's just unkillable p sure

subtle tundra
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evolve will invent the 3 phase strat

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dont you worry

drifting cloud
sudden brook
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Wednesday OMEGALUL

subtle tundra
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tofay

drifting cloud
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lol

subtle tundra
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it worked Wednesday night

high flint
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Guys

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how do i track impacable on cdm

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it overides the buff with the buff when u get ur regen

drifting cloud
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you cant you wait for blizz to fix it

sudden brook
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When we were pulling

high flint
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any addon or anything u can use instead

drifting cloud
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varas is eu so timezone diff guy

subtle tundra
drifting cloud
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prob went live afternoon pst or some shit

sudden brook
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It was working for us when we tried on Tuesday night, and then wasn't working for us on Wednesday night

storm forum
# high flint any addon or anything u can use instead

There's a work around in arcUI somewhere in this channel, but it's jank and doesn't always work so we recommend just tracking the Envenom buff cause apex procs when env falls off and counting how many envenoms you press

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I found some new weirdness in the arc UI tracker on Tuesday too. Idk how but I got to 70

fallow canopy
storm forum
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I really should just remove the +5 counter on buff start

fallow canopy
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you should

storm forum
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I think that's where the weirdness is coming from

fallow canopy
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I just did +16 on envenom and just track the notches/stacks for the buff instead of the actual number of % energy regen

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could also do 1 to 5 instead of 16 to 80

subtle tundra
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couldnt even beat me with a belt to count the envenoms

shadow lark
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Did you guys know you can put 4 poisons on with Dragon-Tempered Blades?

subtle tundra
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and I like being beaten

shadow lark
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Yeah, i might be an idiot

storm forum
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You know, people not knowing that would explain all the crab builds

sudden brook
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Guys why tf does a book for housing cost 25k

storm forum
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Inflation

shadow lark
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is it from inscription?

warm vortex
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big boy

storm forum
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These are prices for people making 750k a week doing all professions

shadow lark
cloud ridge
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is it good as sin ? (buff perso)

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crisp pine
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This is my tank, is my key bricked?

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floral shoal
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He does look like he'd attract the attention of everyone around, so you should be fine on aggro

storm forum
subtle tundra
sacred oyster
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is Implaccable a private aura? if not, couldnt someone just make an addon to read the data on it?

crisp pine
primal parrot
floral shoal
rose narwhal
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
shadow lark
storm forum
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... isn't that more than all the professions?

shadow lark
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yes

storm forum
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Grats on ur bank

shadow lark
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i ahve multiples of professions for different reasons

errant swallow
shadow lark
errant swallow
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Thank you

shadow lark
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those and weekly resets

lapis lantern
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is there a addon to easy mark mobs in m+? i used auto marker back in the good ol days

shadow lark
floral shoal
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I have 10 chars with enchanting+jewelcrafting set up, who can provide different things. Every couple days I log through them to press the concentration button. Low effort, a bit of gold and ench for my own chars. You don't have to invest much to get them going. You can't press the button as often as others, but you know 10 chars adds up over time.

humble verge
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time to prog alleria garf_sit

vague solar
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swapping to assa for the pala fight. How come the stat prio be crit haste. but all my sims tells me to take almost all haste out

spice spire
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Dumb question but do you have a lot of haste

plain thistle
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or maybe simming 3 targets? I would expect haste to lose value in multi targets/Aoe sims

maiden gust
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what cdm addon or addon are people using to track pandemic and empowered garrotes

vague solar
spice spire
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What’s the actual number

vague solar
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491

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without oil

wary light
crisp pine
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Argent Dawn

sage radish
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sub refugee here, how often are we using CT over FoK in AoE?

crisp pine
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if you have the energy for it, all the time

shy axle
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would you just sit on salhadaar and spread bleeds onto the orbs when they are near or would you run out, gar and rupt and spread from the orbs if dmg is needed?

plain thistle
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otherwise I just CT to spread bleeds and envenom the boss, did ok damage to concentrated void (the bigs orbs)

shy axle
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myth

sacred oyster
shy axle
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thanks for the tips

primal parrot
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i didnt realize people wiped on chimaerus due to not being able to kill add shields fast enough

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but ive been proven wrong, twice by two different groups in the span of 15 minutes

next dust
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night elf or dwarf? thoughts?

lost hamlet
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dwarf ez

buoyant minnow
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hi fellow rogues, my guild is on Chimaerus and the add damage is a bit inconsistent especially for the second group (no lust), I'm on the first set and I feel like Sin is pretty good for it since you can spread your bleed from the boss to the small adds and get them all the way to the big guy and what's best is that after the shield is broken and they leave the spirit realm the bleed are still ticking and you're helping contributing to the damage outside the shield, anyway, I asked my guild if they wanted me to go in both phase to help with the add (I'd have to not go in spirit realm for intermission I know) but they said that it wouldn't make a difference because there would still need more damage once the shield is broken, but since I can reapply bleed when the shield is about to break I feel like you can contribute a decent amount to the damage done outside of shield as well.

Any one tried it and had positive result or should I just stick to only going in one phase and hope they get their damage in order for consistency

mystic urchin
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what are important buffs to track as assa?

subtle tundra
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no i dont know how to help you

coral ibex
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i agree with varas

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your raid has problems that aren't solved by you trying to fill the role of 2 dps players

buoyant minnow
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I know it's not up to me to fix this 100% but I was looking for ways to maybe help them but I guess it won't do much of a difference you're right

balmy condor
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Dual wielding has a baseline percent to miss

fallow basalt
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD
strange onyx
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I did it guys

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Paladins dead

mystic urchin
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grats

coral ibex
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gz

balmy condor
strange onyx
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47 pulls

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kinda neat

twin hull
lethal arrow
west canyon
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Is sub better to play for high keys?
And with the crimson tempest, does it spread all the dots, so i use garrot etc on target, then spam crimson to spread?

inner atlas
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Out of the 5 highest ranked rogues, one is outlaw, 4 are sin

buoyant minnow
# lethal arrow Play sub

I play Sin because I like it better 💅 I'm pretty sure every spec is fine to kill any pve content outside of the race to world first

maiden gust
spice surge
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Marginally

shadow lark
lime onyx
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Bro just let me track my apex already like wtf

storm forum
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No, ur gonna track env and count like God intended

rancid root
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Is there something I am missing where most of the highest rated M+ rogues are Assassination? Was the buff Sin receuved that substantial?

royal lantern
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long pulls are good for assa

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long pulls are meh for sub

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high m+ = long pulls happen more often

rancid root
azure carbon
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@balmy condor I think the guy at Blizzard that keeps breaking sin sims used to work where I do. Just got asked to see if I could figure out why this spreadsheet stopped working.

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balmy condor
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Yeah just check the formula lil bro

twin hull
desert crest
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Love the completly arbitary constants

azure carbon
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Got to be 100% accurate bro. Why wouldn't you take the decimals to a quadrillionth.

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There's like 10 formulas like this over 10000 characters.

sudden grotto
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What was the consensus of the dragon sims, fok spam cause meat heads kill adds so I can just boss cleave?

warm vortex
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GUYS

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GUYS

haughty gust
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from faq

sudden grotto
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Yeah whispyr ran some sims also

haughty gust
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i used tempest and parsed pretty well

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think the other top logs also just tempest spam orbs

polar sail
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How assa in raid i dont try it yet

sudden grotto
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Adds are dieing I think within 2-4 seconds and I have to try both ways I guess, ct on things that die quick I rather kms

haughty gust
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it feels bad but still seems worth it

lime onyx
haughty gust
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and i've only played sin on dragons and pallies but it seems fine on the rest also

sudden grotto
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We kill heroic too quick. Mythic I think sin pops off on those longer fights

shy heron
sudden grotto
humble verge
shy axle
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and he steals your daggers

safe barn
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the weekly build is meant for 10s?

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im not sure i understand why the difference between the builds, im not that versed in the talents itself

pure hearth
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hi, i look rogue siwtch on assa spec, its better than sub now ?

polar sail
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I have ques they every new season give us boost to level 90?

warm vortex
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i don't think imma get it

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techincally not bis for me
oNly third best

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so i need to give to one of the ddevourers

haughty gust
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🙁

severe meadow
humble verge
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i am still using champ

lavish wing
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is there a known bug about deathmark just not applying anymore

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happened to me during delve, had to relog

severe meadow
lavish wing
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yea that one, sry

severe meadow
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I’d recommend just playing fatebound lol

lavish wing
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guide said dm is the best for delve

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and i always do what Whispyr says

severe meadow
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I promise fatebound will be fine

lavish wing
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i know bro, just wanted to try it a bit

severe meadow
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@balmy condor tell him to play FB in delves

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Save his soul

lavish wing
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did 3 delves all fine then went to 4th and it bugged so just curious

runic hinge
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Wait for 12 days and you’ll get the new ability

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And then you can reapply

lavish wing
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dont ping him omg

severe meadow
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Whispyr likes being pinged

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He a freak like that

runic hinge
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Probably just a mob bugged out or despawned

lavish wing
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im sweating profoundly

lavish wing
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only relog helped

runic hinge
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Well sub also has deathstalker

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Shoudla gone outlaw

buoyant minnow
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Just noticed that the highest key done by a Sin rogue atm has a very weird talent page, full ST but dropped imrpoved poison for crimson tempest

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No caustic spatter

lavish wing
humble verge
sudden grotto
last hare
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do i use puzzle box on pull or right before deathmark

sudden grotto
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Set up poisons and get snd up and then box into cds

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Wowhead guide has a rotation area as well

snow kindle
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I feel like if want boss dam and no pad sub would just be better no? 😭

sudden grotto
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Assa does better boss damage, sub pads hard, but also if we’re looking at like +18 keys or above the bosses can live forever and there’s slot more downtime for sub when out of cds

tropic jewel
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i thought i had in mind that there are some changes to rogue coming in 12.0.5 ... am i wrong about thata ?

sudden grotto
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But going pure st is interesting either way with no caustic lol

shy axle
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when did something sim better than crit for you, if even? just curious, if it sims better it sims better.

sudden grotto
humble owl
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!ui

prisma monolithBOT
bleak sedge
shy axle
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is the "position your weapon wherever you want" in 12.0.5. too?

normal mist
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supposed so, yeah

shy axle
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cool

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finally

spice spire
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Ashank Log Review

main bobcat
sacred oyster
fallow canopy
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No, I think they are talking about a cosmetic choice to show weapons sheathed or unsheathed

normal mist
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^

normal mist
sacred oyster
# normal mist MH must be your highest ilvl

I get that, but the way that post was worded sounded like they were saying that requirement was going away.

But now I see they are meaning that cosmetic thing about having weapons at your side vs your back i think

open bolt
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Howdy folks, playing assassination as an alt it's super fun so far. I'm having a hard time telling when the entire mob is dot'd in m+. It's probably because the base game name plates are cheeks. Any one have any recommendations?

frigid lagoon
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do you fok on 2 targets

mystic urchin
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and you get the same CP

fallow canopy
mystic urchin
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but then again I wonder why we spec into Secondary Poisoining

fallow canopy
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Most of secondary poisoning applications is through auto attacks iirc

mystic urchin
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ah very true, forgot we auto attack

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they count as single-target-attack too i guess

lime onyx
arctic tusk
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is there an idea of how much energy you need to be at to not overcap by letting apex drop

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at 80

balmy condor
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depends a lot on your haste

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you just gotta feel it out

coral ibex
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i have like 19% haste and if i have more than 80 energy after getting to 5cp i just send envenom

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idk if this is correct it just feels right

proven carbon
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im ngl i've been kind of just winging it with pooling vs not pooling and i genuinely don't know what's better
feels like im just running on vibes and i send envenoms until im literally about to run out of energy

coral ibex
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basically if i expect to have to wait to press mutilate, i will let implacable expire

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if im gonna have gcd downtime i might as well just commit and get some regen

proven carbon
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last time i played assa was in DF and the pooling there felt different to now idk how to explain it

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like it felt more like a minigame in DF and it just feels less important now

golden prairie
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is there a way to track improved garrote duration using basic CDM?

spice surge
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Yes, just put it in

prisma monolithBOT
sacred oyster
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wtf is that

golden prairie
spice surge
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Yes

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Its under the buffs tab

past bobcat
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You guys using light or reck potions

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reck seems to sim better for me?

arctic crown
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What would be our best comp for m+? High keys

sacred oyster
golden prairie
sacred oyster
digital raft
balmy condor
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the other tab for buffs

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not cooldowns

hollow talon
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!fok

prisma monolithBOT
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Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

  • Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
  • Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
  • Mutilate/Ambush otherwise
proven carbon
sacred oyster
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well melee does end up being a huge portion of ST dmg, so that should benefit from SF nicely

spice surge
spice surge
golden prairie
spice surge
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Try with a new profile ig

sacred oyster
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it descriminates for using 'assa'

spice surge
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Good thing we dont have weakauras garf

dire flume
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is there any point running flying daggers in academy

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or is secondary poisoning just that much better

proven carbon
sacred oyster
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yes, sin is the way

balmy condor
dire flume
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is it really that bad?

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also "another" point into fatal conc suskaygeagreegebusiness

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the m+ build on wowhead doesnt have any points in that

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are you hiding tech garf

frosty cedar
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diabolical that fallen king went from 30 parses last week to 121 this week, the city is literally empty of standing NPCs as they have entered the raid

severe meadow
frosty cedar
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im also hiding tech I cannot reveal unfortunately

severe meadow
dire flume
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also @balmy condor are you aware of these and are they worth it for assa?

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severe meadow
dire flume
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surv tc-er found out it was boosting weapon damage by enough to be more worth than the phoenix oils

plucky ember
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anyone know any good guides for beating ?? nullaeus

golden prairie
sacred oyster
plucky ember
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for both i guess haha

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ive not done the doubel ?? one yet

sacred oyster
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for crest - just form a typical 5 man group.

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solo you better switch to a healer class and cheese it lol

plucky ember
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oh then for solo

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oh no

balmy condor
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my estimates are like a little less than 1%

frosty cedar
hallow token
# plucky ember anyone know any good guides for beating ?? nullaeus

supplemental: recommend saving cooldowns for the first ads. They are tough, and burnging them down quickly makes the whole thing more manageable. After thaat, usee them when they're available. Also, kite the boss a little bit continually, b/c if he stands deep in his own fire, you won't be able to hit him too much or at all. Also: save your kicks for his interruptible and don't use it on the ads. GL finding a good guide!

sacred oyster
dire flume
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ait ty ty

sacred oyster
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i doubt theyd hotfix it, using old expansion oils and such has been a thing

severe meadow
sacred oyster
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i def used up rest of my tww oils first lol

frosty cedar
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It's evil

balmy condor
severe meadow
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Possible tank problems tho

balmy condor
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they legit hotfix this exact thing

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constantly

haughty flicker
sacred oyster
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to not allow prev expac stuff? you can still use tww flasks and oils atm

balmy condor
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yes

haughty flicker
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they hotfix them when they're better than current expansion consumables

dire flume
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psure they already did it this season with some stuff that was doing better

haughty flicker
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there isnt a need to hotfix them when they arent

sacred oyster
#

well i guess i dont know about oils but def was using flasks, but the did goof the gems, you can use tww gems still too

balmy condor
#

why do you think they've slapped "cannot be applied to blahblah above item level 200" onto everything

coral ibex
#

yea im not surprised they missed a tbc item in the squish

haughty flicker
#

i want to go back to using my amirdrassil enchant

coral ibex
#

shits old af

haughty flicker
balmy condor
#

wod

#

right

sacred oyster
#

post squish i was using tmir agility potions lol

haughty flicker
#

honestly im kind of surprised they missed this one after they specifically went back to fix them

sacred oyster
#

i used all the ones i had before moving to lights potentials

balmy condor
#

and then when they went back

#

they missed more shit

haughty flicker
#

yeah

balmy condor
#

it's been pathetic

haughty flicker
sacred oyster
#

might have name wrong but was +25 agil potion, which seemed quite nice for tww

haughty flicker
#

me using potions of prolonged power in prepatch

dire flume
#

me using potion of shocking disclosure in mdi

#

wait...

haughty flicker
#

straight to jail

small cairn
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
sick oyster
#

how would you guys approach dragons mythic? just a normal single target build + crimson tempest and chill?

haughty flicker
spice spire
#

Incredible

#

Ty bel

sudden grotto
balmy condor
#

there's a raid page

sick oyster
#

i was checking guides / logs and saw ppl playing different stuff. some sticking to single target builders some using improved fok dmg for example

sacred oyster
#

are they tanked close enough to pbomb/splatter?

safe kestrel
#

how do you track implacable stacks?

#

default CDM is buggy af

real pike
#

you don't

safe kestrel
#

or maybe only on dummies?

#

so you just naturally let it fall off?

balmy condor
spice surge
sacred oyster
#

you look at buffs, if it says 80 let it drop

sudden grotto
#

is bomb even worth on dragons? i can see splatter

spice surge
#

Just wait for blizzard to fix it Surebud

safe kestrel
#

bruh if I have to look up into the right upper corner, I'm going to die to shit under my feet kekw

#

okay that's fine

sick oyster
#

raid build has splatter but not bomb @sudden grotto

safe kestrel
#

i just thought I'm doing something wrong

#

but then it's just good ol' blizzard

balmy condor
digital raft
# real pike you don't

I just got back into assa and was wondering that. The CDM tracks it sometimes and other times not. I was thinking there was a cooldown on it but didn't see it in the description.

balmy condor
#

so people just.... don't do that

strange onyx
#

yo gang

real pike
sacred oyster
# balmy condor yes

then wouldnt it be best to still mut instead of fok there? and id assume you could still skip CT since wouldnt be hard to just pandemic both of them in a single improved window and maintain both bleeds manually.

balmy condor
#

they're stacked

real pike
sudden grotto
#

tbh, blindside should just be baseline, it makes me feel much better

real pike
sacred oyster
#

from what i heard mythic dragons is straight to p3

spice surge
#

Stacked enough

real pike
#

when we do it they're pretty far until the last phase

spice surge
#

Not standing literally ontop of each other

digital raft
real pike
#

ohhhh we haven't done it mythic yet

balmy condor
real pike
#

do they stack on mythic???

#

holy shit that's amazing

balmy condor
#

it's p3 positioning the whole fight

real pike
#

I am horny

strange onyx
#

it is an okay fight

#

Paladin wasnt too bad in the end either

real pike
#

nah bun council fights

#

worst thing

sick oyster
#

just saw your log as well. will just run that setup whenever i get to play it again @balmy condor cheers

balmy condor
#

np

strange onyx
#

Whispyr in a good mood!

native heron
#

any log reviewers to look at my +10? trying to figure why my dmg is so low..

safe kestrel
#

okay another thing, sorry I'm just learning assa
on keys, aoe opener. we don't envenom before going into cds?

#

don't we want SnD and envenom buff before KB?

dire flume
#

You want to envenom before kb

#

Garret garret rupture CT to 5+ envenom puzzle death mark kB envenom + CT spam

safe kestrel
#

okay, this differs from wowhead opener

dire flume
#

Whispyr said that was updated suskaygeagreegebusiness

#

Unless my openers wrong omegalol

#

But envenom before kb at some point you want the buff

safe kestrel
#

there is no envenom before KB

dire flume
#

Ah yeah that's outdated a lil

safe kestrel
#

okay yeah, based on what I read in this channel it makes sense

#

to env before KB i mean

dire flume
#

It was better in prepatch then it wasn't swimming correctly on live or something

safe kestrel
#

your opener sounds good

dire flume
#

And now it is so now we know it for sure is better

balmy condor
#

it's too slow generally

#

that's why envenom before isn't on the openers

dire flume
#

Too slow for what?

#

It's not like you're on a timer until you've used puzzle/dm

severe rain
#

Whats the thing with the double garrote?

balmy condor
#

for 99% of people if you envenom in aoe before your cds

safe kestrel
#

extend duration on improved garrote

balmy condor
#

the mob will fucking die before your kb ends

safe kestrel
#

so it goes for like 40s

severe rain
#

Ah cool

dire flume
#

Coming out of stealth you use improved garrote so first one is 20 seconds second one goes up to 30

#

Also cp generation

safe kestrel
#

okay, i'm not going to play assa on 10s tho kekw mainly doing 17s now

#

hopefully they don't die before

#

but yeah it makes sense

balmy condor
#

I mean......

#

assa prio damage is so high that playing deathstalker would be overkill cause it would be too much prio

#

you'll definitely run into situations where things won't survive a dm

safe kestrel
dire flume
balmy condor
#

sure I guess

dire flume
#

Sorry if I get annoying I just like knowing the why of things

balmy condor
#

key too low unless you're actually a title player

#

in which case why the fuck are you googling openers

#

but yes

arctic crown
#

Or same shit

balmy condor
#

deathstalker is worse everywhere except prio

#

so no

#

deathstalker is shit

arctic crown
#

Copy that

dire flume
#

Surely the funnel is worth it on AA tree boss garf

frosty cedar
#

we hate deathstalker

minor gate
#

what will it take for me to get in to 10s

balmy condor
#

278 and 3200io probably does it

minor gate
#

sounds about right

#

good grief

#

worse than linkedin

worn geyser
#

I actually kinda fuck with DS but it feels like so much more work by far in keys for no benefit

minor gate
#

DS is something which on paper sounds like the perfect ST hero tree

#

so why is it AOE

worn geyser
#

DS felt so good in higher keys in LoU and was kinda a fun mini game, was fun cosplaying arcane mage funnel

real pike
buoyant herald
#

even shitter

real pike
balmy condor
#

yeah, far worse than it is in keys lmao

real pike
#

bring back Fatebound having reduced damage in aoe

minor gate
#

like i said its AOE and i dont know why

buoyant herald
#

yes, buff DS by nerfing FB

real pike
#

this guy gets it ^

#

then gib aura buff

buoyant herald
frosty cedar
#

lets please never ever buff deathstalker and completely rework it while we are at it

sick umbra
#

How is assassination atm maybe thinking of changing from sub mainly do keys but a little bit of raiding

frosty cedar
#

its op

worn geyser
real pike
#

I'm not gonna lie I miss bait and switch a LOT sometimes

#

I still occasionally press Evasion on magic effects automatically

strange onyx
#

I hit evasion and pray it works

weak crescent
#

Is restealth a thing for assa in keys?

#

or do you not care

strange onyx
#

Chaining when mobs on 30% all good

#

Save vanish for that

#

Chain pulling when mobs is on 2%

#

Actually grief

#

You catch my drift, homie?

weak crescent
#

i see

#

thanks^^

#

i will give it a shot

strange onyx
#

Nw

#

Go out there and make me proud

zinc frost
dire flume
#

I do it when I tank it's very cathartic

real pike
#

Vanish still better used to spread imp gar on a chain pull than on a single target in Deathmark?

spice spire
thorn thorn
gray raven
#

sims are telling me the weekly key build is 0.7% behind the regular m+ build - is there some tipping point that people are running into in higer keys? I'm just finishing resil 14s fwiw

strange onyx
#

The weekly build with sudden demise?

gray raven
#

yep

strange onyx
#

The abomination I made?

#

Oh my dear monster

#

That thing is just pad

#

Play the regular m+ build for any real content

real pike
strange onyx
#

Without sounding rude my dude. You seem like a guy who is about to head into «real» content. Best advice I can give you now is go read on the two different talent choices in those builds and have constructive realization about why Sudden Demise isn’t good

real pike
analog field
gray raven
#

oh it's not rude - i'm usually in the 15-17 range before my static implodes for the season

strange onyx
analog field
#

probably depending on comp

real pike
#

Thanks hunnis

analog field
#

but also it's not easy to find cases where you have to do one or the other

#

first DM is without vanish usually

real pike
#

So realistically it's just send on cd whenever

strange onyx
real pike
#

Moar uses better

analog field
#

yeah I'd say

strange onyx
#

A cooldown always do more damage when used than not

real pike
#

On massive first pulls like AA for example probably sending it after first imp gar runs out

coral ibex
#

yes

strange onyx
#

Yup!

real pike
#

Sweet

thorn thorn
coral ibex
#

garrote is your largest damage contributor in m+

real pike
#

MDSGA

coral ibex
#

getting as much impgar as possible is best

strange onyx
#

Yes, my little acolyte! You think! Therefore YOU are improving!

real pike
#

Gonna make some caps

brazen falcon
#

should i always be doing envenom>box>cds or can i box>env>cds

real pike
strange onyx
#

Might aswell envenom b4 box

real pike
#

Is what I would ask

coral ibex
#

you should box at 0cp

#

because kb generates 5+ cp

strange onyx
#

So you can send

brazen falcon
#

just checking

coral ibex
#

regardless of env before or after

analog field
#

sounds like the same

strange onyx
fallow canopy
real pike
#

I'm not sure what's more unsettling good mood Whispyr or good mood Skoop

brazen falcon
#

everyone should be in a good mood! 🙂

coral ibex
strange onyx
real pike
strange onyx
#

Was benched tonight but will deep dive logs for sin

fallow canopy
#

I see, thank you. I'm trying to gauge if secondary poisoning will be worth it there but I'm leaning towards no but I'm also kind of an idiot

brazen falcon
#

yall think sin or sub is the play for dragons

fallow canopy
#

so wanted to check other opinions

brazen falcon
#

i know sub is kinda orb pad

strange onyx
#

You got two strong aoe classes and 2 mass grips?

#

To help your raid kill it a lot faster (this will brick your log). Send cds on the add in intermission

frosty cedar
strange onyx
frosty cedar
#

sub is just pad spec on that boss

brazen falcon
#

sicko

#

yeah we have a ton of aoe i think

strange onyx
#

Deffo sin

fallow canopy
brazen falcon
#

like double mage, double lock, ele with augs

#

triple mm too surely lunar storm just blows them up

strange onyx
fallow canopy
strange onyx
#

There is no dmg check on the bosses tbh

brazen falcon
#

yeah most bosses feel like just a mechanics check

fallow canopy
strange onyx
#

Secondary poisoning kinda strong

spice surge
#

Yeah you absolutely 100% play secondary poisoning

strange onyx
#

Think Whispyr had a video on it

fallow canopy
strange onyx
#

I am gonna sleep, @spice surge takes the next shift of questions

spice surge
#

Like fatal conc is 20% more poison damage right

brazen falcon
#

20/40 ye

spice surge
#

Secondary poisoning is almost 50% more poisons, which is around 50% more damage

fallow canopy
#

yea my worries or doubts were more like if it would be worth it just for the little adds on p1 + the p3 simulacrum and the 3 stooges

spice surge
#

50 > 20

fallow canopy
#

thanks xla

thorn thorn
#

Are TCers washed???

spice surge
#

Yes

#

But also on 10000 mob pulls secondary poisoning is indeed not 50% more poisons

finite rapids
#

In Algathar, are we taking the crit buff or mastery buff?

crisp pine
#

Doesn't matter
We wipe to the first pull and go next

finite rapids
crisp pine
#

Mastery is probably good for that pull tho

finite rapids
#

But in case we hit the jackpot and dont wipe

#

In this case, mastery to have a 50/50 on crit mastery ?

image.png
crisp pine
#

Well Mastery is good for bigg pulls
And there are a couple in algethar

#

it probably doesn't matter all too much at the end of the day

spice surge
#

Probably vers

crisp pine
#

WE WILL NEVER TAKE VERS

#

actually you take +healing taken

#

and pray

finite rapids
#

Atp i feel like im still in the doubt ahah between the crit and mastery

#

but prob will take mastery next time

finite rapids
spice surge
#

No

primal sigil
#

what lvl keys does this stop being tiny boy

image.png
spice surge
#

While yes per rating vers is worse than the other stats, this is not rating, this is just flatout percentages. So the 3% crit is roughly 138 crit rating, whereas 3% vers is actually 162 rating

balmy condor
spice surge
#

So even if crit is better its probably about the same as vers, while vers still gives defensive benefits

#

So might aswell

sonic zinc
#

theres a piss baby key sudden demise build?? pog

jolly heath
#

Back in my days, sudden demise was top dmg in weekly keys in tww pepe_chad

balmy condor
#

so

#

I guess I gotta make a sudden demise build

crisp pine
#

Bigger Bar = Better Person

balmy condor
#

true

polar verge
#

is the ass apex talent bugged? why cant I see stacks of the implacable energy regen?

balmy condor
#

!implac

prisma monolithBOT
#

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

polar verge
#

lol i see

frosty cedar
#

bro fucking pulled out the quickdraw

#

I aint ever seen shit like that

thorn thorn
#

holy

#

that was quick

frosty cedar
#

can we get one for vanish usage too

balmy condor
#

I also got sick of answering that one

thorn thorn
#

!buffs

prisma monolithBOT
thorn thorn
#

yippee moroes is alive again

storm forum
frosty cedar
#

who

thorn thorn
#

moroes

frosty cedar
thorn thorn
#

he lives

#

he has returned to us

frosty cedar
#

I see

ocean ore
#

sub ST still ahead o assasin single? in mythic raid

#

or sub is better just because of cleave/aoe/padding

orchid pewter
#

assa it in

#

its time

#

abandon the sub

elder agate
#

whats better stats for big aoe? crit mast or crit hast then mast

ancient ingot
#

guys do we use envenom on max cp when open cds? or classic rule 5+

viscid spear
humble cradle
#

Exclusively for m+ is it clear which rogue spec is better in the 14-17 key range right now? I’m also curious if any spec is expected to scale better with higher keys and/or more gear.

spice surge
#

And he prepotted

ocean ore
buoyant herald
elder agate
humble cradle
brazen falcon
humble cradle
#

Even fatebound?

brazen falcon
#

sub is a fully pad spec in keys

ocean garden
#

on a big pull in m+ if you already spread bleeds with crimson tempests to all targets and the energy regen is great, is it worth to keep spamming crimson instead of Fan of Knives, as it does more dmg?

humble cradle
#

I like both tbh. And yeah the black powder spam has started getting to me

brazen falcon
#

you do good boss dmg but you are black powder spamming in aoe so you're not killing 1 single mob faster

humble cradle
#

Felt soooooooo much better in tww

buoyant herald
#

assassin unfortunately has fairly weak boss damage still, but if you can pull trash on safely you just have really strong consistent damage, and the execute can be nuts for any damage amp bosses of which there are a few

brazen falcon
#

sin is also fine to play in that range but if you're just vibing you dont need to play sin, i do think its better than sub at the highest level of keys though

buoyant herald
#

but compared to other specs its not like sub is great at boss damage either

brazen falcon
#

compared to some yeah, i felt comfortable with it but i was playing guidon for bosses instead of box

#

had unholy arms in most keys so trash dies anyway xd

humble cradle
#

I appreciate the input. I’ll likely swap assa soon

buoyant herald
#

i find assa more fun, right now it feels like ive got a lot more room for improvement too whereas sub is like...how can i hit my 3 buttons better just feels instantly skill capped, only improvement feels more based around dungeon knowledge rather than my own ability to play the spec

brazen falcon
#

they removed my util in nexas 🙁 cant shadow dance cheap shot engineers anymore

snow kindle
#

Funnel into boss makes sin stronger I believe

#

But in a pug that ain’t happening

real pike
#

As a disclaimer I read the FB talents once and then forgot them

thorn thorn
#

@severe meadow We lost our boss damage cope to the dragons

brazen falcon
#

rupture agi ig

snow kindle
subtle tundra
#

@midnight mist rip 3 phase...

#

fucking blizdong

native heron
kindred imp
#

@balmy condor any idea why there would be such a huge miss chance on this boss? (and parry sometimes) and why on rogues/enh shamans but not on warriors? whole thing makes no sense 😄 or does it?

spice surge
#

Dual wielding gives you a 18% chance to miss your auto attacks

balmy condor
#

like I told you earlier

#

dual wielding has innate miss chance

kindred imp
#

ah did ya? let me scroll up then. ta. So all is normal then

balmy condor
#

yes

#

thats intended

#

and normal

#

and always has been

kindred imp
#

hero. thx

spice surge
#

2002 rpg type shit you know

kindred imp
#

and abilities have a chacne to be parried from front as well

spice surge
#

Gotta balance dual wielding with just one handing

kindred imp
#

I thought we got rid of all that since the ages past XD my bad

restive falcon
#

do i swap back to rogue for alleria prog or stay on my mm hunter like i did yesterday for pallys hmmge

#

i enjoy mm but i wanna go back to rogue Sadge

buoyant herald
#

follow your heart

restive falcon
#

my heart wants to play both

buoyant herald
#

ride the bench playing what you like the most ❤️

restive falcon
#

i had a vibe last night on pallys as hunter but i wanna go back to rogue but i enjoy both

#

my hunter is 279 and my rogue is 278

buoyant herald
#

im joking but also such decisions do come down to your guild. if you can play rogue and they're happy for you to do less damage then go for it

restive falcon
#

rogue do big st dam tho think

buoyant herald
#

if you're doing myth prog and you'll be benched then just playing at all might be more important to you

#

does your RL care

restive falcon
#

they want me to play what i want, i did swap to hunters for pally prog last night but not on alleria and idk what i want to do yet

high flint
#

Guys a question. how do u do algethar pull as assa, crimson all the time or swap to fan after a few?

hazy sundial
thorn thorn
#

Because in S1 of TWW people were crashing out over getting parried by ovi'nax

#

Kingsbane parried -> rip damage

solar wyvern
#

we're so back lads

image.png
tall jay
#

can you macro set focus and the star thing together to mark interupt target?

haughty gust
#

guys i beat some dps on pallies

#

!

solar wyvern
#

What was it like htting the paladin in execute the entire time

haughty gust
#

fun

solar wyvern
#

🙁

#

my top damage as the healer LOL

#

no execute for me

haughty gust
#

sadge

#

i got lucky

#

the last 2 were both in execute early also

#

all 3 were execute for last potted dm

split grail
#

Anyone here know sub? I've got a couple questions and no one is answering in the sub channel

past bobcat
#

no?

weak crescent
#

Mann im looking at the logs and trying to see when is the best time to use vanish

thorn thorn
weak crescent
#

Some logs sendit after deathmark some wait for the improved garrote pandemic

#

some wait for the 2nd deathmark

#

can someone enlighten me'

cursive willow
#

is it a known bug that the Implacable buff wont always show in the CDM ?

severe meadow
devout steppe
cursive willow
#

wworking as intended

#

thanks 😛

thorn thorn
#

@sudden brook You got your birb nerfs

#

Is birb kill

west crown
#

Is the goal to not play around the Apex Talent if not needed to optimize Inspiring strikes as much as possible?

blazing kayak
#

do u press ambush as sin

#

this season

sudden brook
marble wadi
#

nah just garrote away

sand otter
#

are you all using M+ build for vanguard?

sudden brook
#

Actually killable n ow though

kindred imp
thorn thorn
#

well

#

There is a reason @marble hemlock has Parry is Thematic in their name

#

And its got a lot to deal with kingsbane getting parried by bosses OMEGALUL

severe meadow
#

I love when Queen parried my KB

marble hemlock
spice spire
thorn thorn
#

That parries kingsbane

thorn thorn
#

Parried twice in the same fight

native heron
#

0is there a log review channel to look at what I’m doing wrong by chance?

#

Or do i share it here?

severe meadow
thorn thorn
#

I do but not for assa

#

I dont know shit about this spec

native heron
#

lol

severe meadow
#

count to 5 spec

spice spire
#

@thorn thorn log review the man

#

smdh

thorn thorn
#

Bro I could

#

But

#

It wouldnt be my fault if he gets bad info

spice spire
#

nah no buts

#

I'm finally out of that hell

#

I'll perpetuate this propaganda smiledoge

thorn thorn
#

How about you log review him

#

You are john log reviewer

earnest remnant
spice spire
#

Washed, rinsed, and washed again

marble hemlock
earnest remnant
#

Step into kb into step again

#

Profit

marble hemlock
#

or just remove parry, idk

earnest remnant
#

Nah

marble hemlock
#

rip

earnest remnant
#

Bring back spell resist too

marble hemlock
#

and expertise

#

and glancing blows

#

and partial blocks

#

that turned your 100% crit into a regular hit

thorn thorn
thorn thorn
viscid spear
acoustic cypress
#

is suden demise broken on sims

balmy condor
#

no, it's working

#

the execute is not counted

severe meadow
#

2.5m boe HOLY

fallow canopy
#

🤑 we rich

fluid oak
#

is normal that the droptimizer is showing me some upgrades but when i sim them in topgear they aren't?

balmy condor
#

probably missing something

#

socket/upgrade/enchants

fluid oak
#

ah ok make sense

waxen oyster
#

honestly whats the point of tea being a talent nowadays if its just passive

fallow canopy
#

I mean, most talents are passive garf

haughty flicker
#

does anyones guild need a bad shadow priest

#

who has glorp pictures

balmy condor
#

unironically, maybe

haughty flicker
#

im in pain

fallow canopy
#

use pain suppression 🥀

haughty flicker
#

at least i have a banana

haughty flicker
#

couldnt be me

waxen oyster
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doesnt seem much diff

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except implacable ig

coral ibex
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any takers

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to do this to me

severe meadow
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I'd really enjoy if dargons died tonight

fallow canopy
waxen oyster
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i feel the biggest thing is just unlearning the desire to always want an env buff up

haughty flicker
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bro is finding out the only thing worse than being benched on paladins is not being benched on paladins

fallow canopy
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I'm just sad again no rogue on alleria so I'm benched again

brazen falcon
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are the dragon spawn locations for fear breath in intermission static?

fallow canopy
brazen falcon
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oh pog

severe meadow
coral ibex
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OOH YEAAAA

fallow canopy
brazen falcon
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does it just mirror for 2nd intermission

fallow canopy
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this is the left side of the room sorry

waxen oyster
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are you supposed to let the regen buff drop from apex

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before going back into envs

coral ibex
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no

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you ignore the regen buff

viscid spear
fallow canopy
severe meadow
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nah, get buff and hit buttons

fallow canopy
viscid spear
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Goddamn Heroic Crown prog and it's a slogfest of failure

brazen falcon
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oh sicko ty boli

fallow canopy
waxen oyster
severe meadow
fallow canopy
waxen oyster
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no havent switched

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bcdm kind of tracks the implacable stacks normally

fallow canopy
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oh afaik the only cdm addons have no way to track it

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after it bricks ofc

waxen oyster
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o

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nice

fallow canopy
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its a blizzard issue so

waxen oyster
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so it just bricks after the first time

fallow canopy
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we hope for a fix

waxen oyster
fallow canopy
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it bricks whenever you stack it up again and the energy regen buff is going

severe meadow
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and just break again

waxen oyster
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yeah thats what i noticed