assassination

[coral ibex]

the mdt route sim option is not representative of anything except that specific route and timing

[lime edge]

Also puzzlebox gives u 10 billion mastery

[coral ibex]

there's no flexibility

[lime edge]

Making it worse to get elsewhere

[static glacier]

exactly

[royal lantern]

thats...not how it works really?

[lime edge]

I mean it is

Its an additive stat

[royal lantern]

like, on demand stats dont decrease the value of having the stat in general

[lime edge]

And there's also diminishing returns

[royal lantern]

if it was a high uptime passive effect, yeha sure i gues

[subtle tundra]

the dungeon sim doesnt have huge pulls all the time

[static glacier]

It can be, it just means puzzlebox mastery goes deeper into dr, though in this case I think it’s just a matter of fatebound being meta and them offering a lot of artificial mastery benefits from the apex

[subtle tundra]

its weird but you also have to think when simming

i know, very hard

[royal lantern]

i hate thinking

makes me brain do weird noises

and i smell burned toast

[subtle tundra]

its like if my tank does big bulls all the time... maybe i should gear for big bulls.........

if my tank does small bulls all the time

maybe he should love himself

[static glacier]

Big bulls 🤨

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/pou-pou-hanging-pou-suicide-hanging-noose-gif-9561747451850049061

[spice surge]

Mess with the bull and you get the horns!

[subtle tundra]

Jfisdufnaisufheritqiuh skvn uvc

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/ding-ding-ding-alistar-league-of-legends-cow-bell-gif-13335517

I can still hear the sound

In my head

[royal lantern]

that means you played league

cringe

[coral ibex]

you can't milk those

[dire flume]

whats the highest envenom crit youve hit so far

[static glacier]

Everyone pays a price, your day will come eventually

[coral ibex]

probably like 150k or 200k

[radiant aspen]

is there combination of trinkets that would sim higher then gaze and puzzle box

?

[random gazelle]

Not counting external amps, like 200k with deathstalker

[royal lantern]

i have on-screen numbers disabled for ages now

[sudden needle]

oo they buffed caustic splater to 25% instead of the 20% they said in the notes

[royal lantern]

idk how much my abilitys hit

[radiant aspen]

like gaze and plume for example

[royal lantern]

[keen mantle]

my sims say mastery

[lime edge]

Plume and puzzle Sims higher for me last i checked

[keen mantle]

but my 12945871251 hours on rogue

say haste

[coral ibex]

no thats just fatebound

[keen mantle]

fr

[sudden needle]

ah ok

[keen mantle]

without haste assa does not feel the same

[royal lantern]

stop baiting

[lime edge]

Holy crit

Thats like 900

[hollow river]

Nice sub stats

[coral ibex]

yea that looks like my stats

[keen mantle]

1130*

[royal lantern]

no doms in this channel

[radiant aspen]

xD

1192

[keen mantle]

i think haste is hidden op

[static glacier]

Perhaps plume and puzzlebox, an equivalent withered saptor’s paw to gaze if you only have champ gaze I’m fairly sure the world boss trinket (stat stick) also competes and can win at equal ilvl to gaze.

Tl;dr some low ilvl capped trinks can beat gaze at equal ilvl but myth gaze just wins

[radiant aspen]

🙁 I see i just hate puzzle box

that cast time makes me so mad

[static glacier]

I think you can drop it, just accept the 1-2% loss

[lime edge]

I dont think puzzle is actually replaceable for m+

[radiant aspen]

i was thinking if gaze and plue

will be close

[static glacier]

There’s the 2min haste on use to replace it, or just run 2x passive

[radiant aspen]

if its only 1-2%

ill accept it

[static glacier]

I suspect it’s higher in aoe, but badly played box is worse than weaker trinket combos played well

Run your own sims and see

[radiant aspen]

yeah and i dont like to the point i have nothing to do with that trinket 😄

[random gazelle]

Box is so crazy that I feel like if you can't figure out how to use it you're better of swapping specs to something else atm

[static glacier]

It’s a game, and you can do well with suboptimal setups, trust me

I refused to run the kyveza trinket on last two bosses in nerubar - did absolutely fine

[radiant aspen]

thanks for reminding me that free will exsists

[weary stump]

We are the suboptimal setup as a whole spec this tier

[radiant aspen]

yeah i just charge up of puzzel that feels wired for me

[weary stump]

But we vibe

[static glacier]

Whole class but ye

[radiant aspen]

i dont enjoy it

[weary stump]

Think of it like your character has ADHD and needs a fidget toy every 2 minutes

[radiant aspen]

i usualy press it befor boss at like 2 sec befor pull

dont even know if thats correct

[old lily]

anyone know why this doesn't pop a potion when i use DM #showtooltip
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
/use 13

[weary stump]

You need the potion id

[coral ibex]

you probably have both types

[old lily]

but it works when i'm specced into sub

[coral ibex]

r1 and r2

oh

[weary stump]

Well

[coral ibex]

because you have puzzle box in slot 13

[old lily]

and i only have R1 in bags rn

[coral ibex]

guaranteed

[old lily]

i don't have puzzle

[weary stump]

Game hates you ig

[random gazelle]

I shift clicked the potion for my macro and it works

[static glacier]

Back to work, farewell beloved sin channel

[glass viper]

you have guidon on 14 but using 13 on macro

[rustic cosmos]

Type use 13 and 14 in macro

Ez

[old lily]

that's intentional

i play sub

[rustic cosmos]

U dont need to think about zrinkets positions when u have both in, but its yours choice

[old lily]

as sub you can't macro guidon

[glass viper]

Well...you can

and i dont really get why use 13 is in the deathmark macro

[coral ibex]

pressing guidon before cds is an optimization as sub

[radiant aspen]

do we play new talants

coz of buff ?

[old lily]

it's an old macro

from when i used grim batol trinket

[glass viper]

kk, take it step by step then to diagnose. Just use the deathmark first line...it works? Then add use potion...it works? Then add trinket...etc

Trinkets fk macros regularlly

[old lily]

but there is nothing on use related to trinkets there

[frosty cedar]

Nope

[quaint locust]

hi guys, Is there any way to see how many enemies are in a pull and how many have Rupture applied? You could do it with WeakAuras in the previous expansion, but in this one I have no idea.

[sinful cradle]

yo guys do u need any haste as assa ?

[glass viper]

Well i dunno then bro. Doing them step by step is what works for me when im trying to fix someting. If you get the potion working in the macro on its own then add the deathmark in

Is Emberwing Feather trinket just ass or something? It sims worse than both champ level Crucible + Puzzle even when maxed out? Urgh.

Looks like another brick vault

[runic hinge]

Puzzle is just very good

[coral ibex]

yea i got a plume too

[viscid spear]

Mmmm, Mastery

[next dust]

not bad

[frosty cedar]

No, you have to just look at nameplates now

[frosty cedar]

There are no haste breakpoints like sub or outlaw, so just sim as usual on raidbots

Generally crit > haste > mastery >>>> vers, but sim either way

[dire flume]

hypotethetically what would you drop for sudden demise

[twilit lagoon]

Haste always seems like a "feels" stat. I feel pretty good around 18-20.

[dire flume]

i know its worse but like

[coral ibex]

i would just respec to sub for low keys

[weary stump]

Sub in 10s or lower is super chill yeah

[frosty cedar]

Middle row, dragon temp, inspiring, the two points in the envenom damage during envenom talent

[weary stump]

The mental load of BM hunter

[obtuse ruin]

Is it bad to keep switching caustic targets?

[frosty cedar]

Wowhed has builds for sudden atm

[frosty cedar]

Not on fatebound, you swap spatter with envenom, and the envenom you use to apply it also cleaves, so you lose very little, just your auto attack poison procs before you envenom

[spice surge]

No, but also why would you

[coral ibex]

well you lose out on amp poison procs but otherwise no

[astral pine]

if your current target has less then 10 stacks of amp wouldnt it be better to swap to one that does ?

[frosty cedar]

That sounds diabolical

[astral pine]

in what way haha, i was thinking about it the other day

[balmy condor]

“Wouldn’t it be better”

yes
“Would I need to do a captcha to prove I’m not a human”
yes

[frosty cedar]

Lmao

More or less my thoughts

[balmy condor]

Unless you’re an actual bot

You’re not doing that

[frosty cedar]

Bro is setting up the focus macro with the dual envenom weaving in each pack

[astral pine]

hahahaahaha

[frosty cedar]

New weaving just dropped

[astral pine]

only came to mind because of the 2 set

like theres mobs in that pack with 20 stacks just begging to be envenomed

[frosty cedar]

I respect it bro good cook

They are simply on their knees

[balmy condor]

BECAUSE OF THE TWO SET

[frosty cedar]

Begging

[spice surge]

2 set doesnt do anything

[astral pine]

garrote applies amp

[coral ibex]

2p is only on cast

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-risitas-wheezingrisitas-gif-21432588

[frosty cedar]

[spice surge]

Its literally just 30% garrote

[astral pine]

after ct on a pack

[spice surge]

No

[coral ibex]

no

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t work with CT

[dire flume]

focus on the 2 set as assa because we have 2 set of feet :mmhm:

[spice surge]

Only the ST garrote cast applies it

[frosty cedar]

He probably means fok applying it

[astral pine]

hang on

[frosty cedar]

But assumed CT did

[astral pine]

lemme look

[balmy condor]

Hold on guys

[astral pine]

garrote applies your weapons poisons?

[balmy condor]

Bantido’s on the case

[frosty cedar]

The cast applies it

[astral pine]

oh fuck me

[frosty cedar]

The dot or CT application does not

[astral pine]

i thought the dot did

[frosty cedar]

Good news for your cook, FOK still applies it though, lmao

[balmy condor]

As does CT

[frosty cedar]

That's what I assumed you were talking about

[spice surge]

Ye but that would make too much sense as a set bonus that actually did something

And we cant have that

[astral pine]

hahahaha when i read that 2 set i was like fuck thats baller

[frosty cedar]

That was probably their intention let's be real and it's just bugged let's be real honest

Ain't no one fixing assa bugs

Except ones that have us some small damage

[balmy condor]

If garrote ticks applied poisons the set bonus would be ridiculously strong

There’s no way it’s a bug

I think they actually added it as flavor text

[coral ibex]

we'd be thanos tier op if thats how the 2p worked

[balmy condor]

Cause like 3%/3% is pretty much on target for what a season 1 set bonus

[spice surge]

And then theres sub where they randomly forgot how numbers work

And made 2p 9%

[balmy condor]

Making gar ticks apply poisons would overshoot it to the moon like sub

Yeh

[astral pine]

im just a boy with a dream

[weary stump]

What I'm hearing is we bribe our class dev to do this for us

[balmy condor]

I mean generally speaking the class devs don’t make tier sets

[weary stump]

We will offer him a mug

[balmy condor]

But sure yeah

[strange onyx]

I make tier sets

[weary stump]

That's true

[astral pine]

ive really fallen victim the a classic case of dunning kruger syndrome, tried that shit on dummies and fuck that

couldnt imagine doing that shit in a key and not missing every single kick

i do wonder how much of an increase it even is if done perfectly

[balmy condor]

It was 0.4% in s3

Probably similar

[twilit lagoon]

Oh, is there a completely separate team for the tier sets?

[balmy condor]

No

[twilit lagoon]

And I assume they at least communicate with the class devs?

[balmy condor]

It’s just the items guys

[twilit lagoon]

Ah, right, fair

[hollow phoenix]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[twilit lagoon]

I thought I remembered seeing a pin on this before, but I'm not seeing it now. I can't think of the right word, but is there, like, a soft cap on number of garrotes / ruptures to spread in AoE before going to FoK+Env spam, or is it more just spread until everything around has a bleed on it?

[viscid spear]

Pretend you are a Chosen One of Khorne.

[humble verge]

we dogged on main

4 myth bosses killed btw

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

Spread forever

[twilit lagoon]

Got it.

Also Googling Khorne

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/chibi-blood-for-the-god-gif-11938035185254420975

[fallow canopy]

Sealed chaos urn

[uncut ether]

Hi guys, quick question, do we use puzzle box before improved garrot, or before DM ?

[humble verge]

shoulders are 1,2% on max ilvl

[balmy condor]

Gar rup envenom, then box, then dm kb

[viscid spear]

Set up bleeds, Envenom, Box during Envenom buff, DM, KB, Envenom before Envenom buff falls off

[uncut ether]

thanks a lot for the quick answer ! have a good day

[viscid spear]

Pain in the ass trying to do it on Paladins when the tanks keep repositioning

[calm grail]

Can you solo soak beloren circles with cloak?

[spice surge]

Yes

[cursive willow]

With yesterday's change, are the talents on wowhead still optimal ? (Wanna give the spec a try)

[frosty cedar]

Next tier set - hitting it from the back when applying bleeds applies backshotted which increases bleed damage taken by 20%

[lethal turtle]

@solar wyvern DID U ALL LOB GARRETT

[hard mason]

"Loses effect if used on the same target for subsequent uses"

[merry perch]

I have a question, sorry if this has been answered already... I've noticed while stacking to 80 on apex, letting the envenom chain drop, I get the energy Regen buff. If I envenom in those 5 seconds, that new chain I started won't stack apex talent and I need to let that new chain drop for it to start stacking again.

A. Is it a bug?

B. Should I just dump to 0 energy once I get stacked to 80, let it fall off, and not start my new envenom chain until the energy buff falls off.

C. It doesn't matter just send it

[spice surge]

It does stack up, its just the buff in CDM thats broken

[merry perch]

Brother

Ty

[obtuse ruin]

just if I want to start envenoming more health targets in a pack

[merry perch]

I thought I was losing my mind

[torn dome]

saladbar - worth saving CDs for dmg amp or no

or depends on overall raid DPS / fight length?

I guess I answered my own Q

[balmy condor]

Never worth

You’re a 2 min class, it lines up with orbs

[shut sand]

Just box shadowstep DM kb

[viscid spear]

My tanks are awful at positioning

[shy axle]

do you use unbuffed gar asap when it runs out and spread it even if you would use rupture in 5to 10 seconds and spread that too? or do you always do them together?

[coral ibex]

gar downtime bad

[real pike]

anyone know why top gear sim is saying it won't change weapon enchants?

[coral ibex]

they are the best option or you dont have replace enchants/gems ticked

[real pike]

how does it know it's the best option before I sim

[coral ibex]

i dont know what you mean

[real pike]

nah I'm joking I didn't have it ticket

ticked

[dire flume]

my feral alt got mythic puzzle :(

[balmy condor]

Your feral main*

[earnest imp]

I can see many people adding vanish between 6 and 7 and reapplying garrote, or after 8 and reapplying garrote, in first big pulls, how valid is this technically?

[dire flume]

:(

[balmy condor]

There was a bug that required you to vanish after puzzle box to snapshot imp gar

But it’s fixed now

That’s why people were doing it

[earnest imp]

Aha I see, guess some people still have the habbit

[humble rose]

How can we cheese the last boss in skyreach? can we vanish or cloak before being picked up?

[fallow canopy]

You may be able to step to the boss if it is close to the edge

[dire flume]

why do rogue players not want a hug

[fallow canopy]

You can vanish the laser also

[scarlet orbit]

Whispyr at the palas is it worth it to refresh bleeds a bit earlier then pandamic so i can spread them again before the one guy gets pulled out?

[balmy condor]

Sure

[spice surge]

Or you can kidney shot the mob and it will be stunned for 8 seconds

[balmy condor]

Sounds reasonable

[fallow canopy]

I don't like shooting birds

[scarlet orbit]

The last time i vansihed it it just bugged out put me under the platform and i died. Did not test again after that so keep me updated

[wispy apex]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[coral ibex]

vanish doesn’t work on last skyreach boss

[boreal lichen]

should we use our hero crest to save mythic crests ? aka upgrade an item 6/6 hero so we get 2/6 myth or better to use the hero crest to push more total item lvl ?

[fallow canopy]

For laser it does, for the grab idk

[gray raven]

For the beam? That’s absolutely works

[coral ibex]

for the grab

[gray raven]

Oh! Yeah I don’t think so

That’s the fun part of tha fight anyway 😀

[marble wadi]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TZWHMwfKr8BVp47y?fight=4&type=damage-done
ive never played a cleaner pug than this

[sonic fossil]

Yo, quick question what's the best way to sim for M+?

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice

[viscid spear]

You can KS the barrel adds in NPX before they die and they don't drop it

[earnest imp]

Does meld still allow you to get stealth?

As in its still kinda good for assa

[coral ibex]

not in any boss fight

[earnest imp]

But m+ i guess

[strange onyx]

Hows the Sudden Demise bug? Fixed?

[balmy condor]

Shut up skoop I’ve already had to correct 5 people

[dire flume]

what was the bug

[coral ibex]

no such bug existed

[dire flume]

theoretically what was the bug

[keen spruce]

If a bug existed that doesn’t exist, what bug would that be

[spice spire]

Theoretically it didn’t exist

And in actuality

It also doesn’t exist

[dire flume]

what was the alleged bug supposed to be doing

[spice spire]

Misinformation

[solar wyvern]

Idk context but ye hes not raiding here anymore

[latent copper]

Guys why some classes sim Dungeonslice for M+ and others not? How to know when to sim how….usually i do patchwerk 1 Target 5 min and 5 Target 1,3min on all classes

So i should use DS for assa instead?

[coral ibex]

yes

[balmy condor]

Some theorycrafters support dungeonslice more than others

Rogue specs especially

Dungeonslice realistically is the only way you’re able to sim rogues for m+

aoe patchwerk is kind of a joke

[latent copper]

Ah ok ty

[weary stump]

Why doesn't raidbots have a tmogslice where it factors in your drip to DPS

[coral ibex]

[obtuse ruin]

kinda weird but anyone got an open world/questing build?

[weary stump]

Just use m+ build

[lucid kite]

is paladins the only fight where we get real value from posion bomb, first phase crown also maybe?

and caustic spatter

[balmy condor]

Mythic dragons

But yes, generally you would take spatter and not poison bomb for raid fights

[lucid kite]

bomb has value for paladisn though right?

paladins

or skip it enterly

[viral sage]

what is poison bomb tracked under in dps meters

it doesnt show

[lucid kite]

not on mythic dragons yet

[snow kindle]

envenom

idk if it shows it on meters, but logs atleasts it does

[balmy condor]

Yeah you play it in the paladins build

[storm forum]

I have done zero math, but I am confident in taking Poison Bomb in all scenarios in raid cause it makes a fun sound and a puddle of goop when it procs

[lucid kite]

yeah I mean caustic and bomb are satisfying

[spare kayak]

Which hides other puddles

[storm forum]

FDK dragon has killed me more times than I can count in M+

cause that white slide lasts like 5 seconds and covers everything

PB puddle I feel like doesn't cover much

or at least the glowy outlines of most things standout over it

[lucid kite]

what about crimson tempest, is it worth taking in many raid fights, costs so much energy and many adds melt before I feel we get value

[spare kayak]

PB covers the borders for most puddles on my end, so it's a no-no

[lucid kite]

maybe in mythic raids where adds live longer?

[storm forum]

if the add will live like 3+ seconds it's worth to press

it's only double the cost of fan and a bit more upfront damage so you don't need too many ticks of DoTs for it to be worth

[north spruce]

speaking of the paladins build, is there a link to it anywhere?

[storm forum]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[storm forum]

oh its not there

huh

[oak ember]

are we considered good now with more gear and a recent buff?

[gilded oasis]

i just look at top 6 rogue builds and whispyr

[north spruce]

i wouldnt have asked if i hadnt already checked the guides lmao

oh true good idea

[gilded oasis]

on wcl

[spare kayak]

The buff isn't palpable

It's there on paper though

[storm forum]

last night I got like a 94 parse and did less overall than my guildies' blue parses and all my guildies were pittying me so I think we're still cooked

[lucid kite]

why are some ppl skipping blindside and some not

feel like our energy problems is just worse without it?

[storm forum]

but we can still look at boss damage and

[lucid kite]

depends on the guide whether they take blindside or not

[storm forum]

ignore that every good rdps is only like 300 boss dps below us and gets insanely good cleave for free

i thought we always took blindside in raid except on paladins

[gilded oasis]

I think its mostly dependent on the amount of cleave in teh fight. If you arent muting much but fok and cting more then blindside prob not worth

idk tho

[storm forum]

oh the paladins build in wowhead is under raid tips on the sidebar

[north spruce]

ahh yes

i see ty

[humble verge]

pog

when im maxed

crests

on hero

i can finally get the achi

[storm forum]

also looks like we dont take blindside on dragons in mythic, im guessing the orbs actually live more than six seconds

[gilded oasis]

depends but they live a little

[balmy condor]

wowhead

self promo is against the rules

[balmy condor]

mythic dragons is perma 2 target

[storm forum]

o i c

[gilded oasis]

nahuh, in one intermission there is only 1 add

[storm forum]

o-i-c kinda looks like a person

[north spruce]

i dont see it

[balmy condor]

don't see what

[north spruce]

this

[coral ibex]

o-i-c looks like a person

[balmy condor]

yeah idk

[north spruce]

ohhh

no

o i c it now

[storm forum]

wait is beloren actually pure ST?

[snow kindle]

Yesnt

2 adds need to die

They just get cleaved down as usual

[elder agate]

ok nvm

[frosty cedar]

dont fucking mind if I do

[fallow canopy]

not sure if I misunderstood your reply to Lanille but the wowhead recommended for dragons still has blindside fyi

[balmy condor]

mythic dragons does not

[gilded oasis]

gratso

[frosty cedar]

finally replace this gigachad champ trink

[gilded oasis]

monk got ours. im going to have champ trinket forever

[fallow canopy]

oh I see, my bad. didn't see the other page down at the specific section

just the dropdown at the start

[balmy condor]

yuh

[glacial orchid]

its viable to play more crit/mastery gear in m+? especially higher key lvls?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

it's more aoe less st

[glacial orchid]

okay, seen casualaddicts replay of AA 17+ and was wondering why he picked the mastery buff, but makes sense now 😄

okay so.. dual gear

[balmy condor]

idk bout that

but you can swap a ring or whatever

[crisp pine]

TWO whole gearsets

[runic hinge]

I need at least 5

[crisp pine]

I swap my sockets around every 5 seconds

can't fall behind

[weary stump]

sets of mythic crafted daggers for every computation of enchant and stat combo

[abstract thunder]

deathstalcker or fatebound for m+ ?

[runic hinge]

Fatebound

[gilded oasis]

I like to go in without hero talents personally

[balmy condor]

zar goes in raw

[gilded oasis]

that was my guild for many many years

and by my I mean my friends's's and I raided there it wasnt mine

[balmy condor]

can't believe you owned a guild

[gilded oasis]

😮 🦶

no my guild name is lame like Red Xi cause I forgot its actually xii and I never changed it

[abstract thunder]

is there any use to shiv now ?

[gilded oasis]

soothe

[crisp pine]

soothe

[abstract thunder]

or i drop it from actoin bar ?

[crisp pine]

soothe

[gilded oasis]

soothe

[abstract thunder]

?

[crisp pine]

soothe 👍

it dispells an enrage effect from a mob

[gilded oasis]

you know, I wish now that it is a soothe only, the CD was shortened as well

@balmy condor can you work on that??

[balmy condor]

you know

actually I can!

[gilded oasis]

[balmy condor]

ask and ye shall receive

[gilded oasis]

damnit

he got me

[crisp pine]

can u bring back aoe shiv too

I kinda liked it

[gilded oasis]

what can't this guy do

would you rather have aoe blind or shiv

[crisp pine]

blind lol obv

but soothing a whole group felt cool

[quaint dragon]

we have aoe blind again?

[gilded oasis]

ok aoe blind or uhh aoe uhh im out of other options

[weary stump]

Ever notice how the venom in our class icons looks like that glow in the dark slime kids play with sometimes

[gilded oasis]

aoe bone spike

(i miss bone spike)

[balmy condor]

next patch yes

[quaint dragon]

oh nice

[crisp pine]

Whispyr is bringing it back yea

[gilded oasis]

he also lowered the cd on shiv

he's great

[balmy condor]

what can't he do

[coral ibex]

man i hate to tell you this but

its actually red xiii

he's red 13

[gilded oasis]

brother I cant read or type

idk what to tell you

[runic hinge]

And she’s old

[gilded oasis]

I am old

[crisp pine]

Can u make it so Survivor's Bag works in Dungeons

[gilded oasis]

I should be dead

[balmy condor]

idk what that means, so probably not

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebobsquarepants-chocolate-gif-19415198

[crisp pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=94154/survivors-bag-of-coins

[obtuse ruin]

does using 1-2 combo point envenom just to get implacable stack to 80% for pooling purposes make any sense?

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

[crisp pine]

It's a pickpocket item
if you have it you pickpocket coins and you can throw them on the ground to launch you

but it only works in zones where you can fly

[balmy condor]

not even a little

[obtuse ruin]

aight

[gilded oasis]

does using a 4 cp envenom cause you cant count the number of filled dots and youre running around avoiding pools and sorta panicing but also very still cool mean that you're washed

[weary stump]

Can you increase the cd of every other dps class's major cool downs by 2 seconds, just for the whimsy

[gilded oasis]

asking for a friend (Quake)

[coral ibex]

crazy slander on a wednesday afternoon

[weary stump]

We will be the only with a 2 minute burst if everyone else becomes 2 minutes and 2 seconds

[crisp pine]

that sounds awesome dude

[keen spruce]

Based on logs I’ve seen most rogues are like a 2:17 class anyways

Just runnin around pickin their noses

[quaint dragon]

do u guys just do 8/8 aa and dreamrift and logout?

[strange onyx]

What

[runic hinge]

Whispyr can you make ram cheaper

[gilded oasis]

sometimes im pickin my friends nose

[gilded oasis]

buddy he can ram you for free

okay maybe I should actually get some work done on that note

[weary stump]

And the green goop is free

[gilded oasis]

a bonus even

[ashen inlet]

yo guise thoughts on assa rework?

[gilded oasis]

we just had one

[frosty cedar]

completely normal buffs (dont look aug)

[weary stump]

That evoker needs to do more damage clearly

[gilded oasis]

damn that aug damage stinks hes so bad

cant even beat the tank

[royal lantern]

delete aug

[weary stump]

Delete Aug, convert outlaw to a tank spec or ranged dps, give evoker a new corrupted dragon themed tank spec that draws on murozond and neltharion for ability flavor

[humble verge]

we are so goated @golden loom

im in on dragons today

[solid hemlock]

do we puzzle box pre-pull or after garrote/rupture-envenom?

[weary stump]

That's not a chiikawa gif

[humble verge]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDuYGGwXUAEvDLe.gif

[weary stump]

Goated

[thorn thorn]

What dungeon was this

[frosty cedar]

magisters

[thorn thorn]

Ret needs to uninstall

[frosty cedar]

he low ilvl fr

[golden loom]

I will not kingsbane blistercreeps today

[thorn thorn]

Nah, do not pity ret players

[humble verge]

[thorn thorn]

Sub

[humble verge]

yes

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

and

[thorn thorn]

My goat is washed

Reduced to a sub player

Its so jover

[frosty cedar]

never play sub

[hollow talon]

[visual dragon]

Wait ur my goat. I looked up your logs

[weary stump]

You see their cat pfp? That's why they're the goat

[frosty cedar]

i accept all glazing with dignity

[humble verge]

bro wants me to play inferior spec

[frosty cedar]

what sub?

[balmy condor]

backshotbot my goat (not rank 1 all star) he's actually the best (no one is playing assa) bro has giga fucking logs (this tier is all pad) and he's a huge gamer (rank 1 of 1)

[frosty cedar]

all star is coming I have to defeat council with at least a 10 log

[golden loom]

you are getting overtaken today mr backshotter

[frosty cedar]

i got myth alnseer on vault so unlikely

but I look forward to it

[balmy condor]

did you put crests into it though

[golden loom]

I got my hero one from the dungeon quest

[frosty cedar]

i will do

[balmy condor]

blunder

[viscid spear]

I got some glaze for you

[frosty cedar]

mega blunder ?? alert ?

[balmy condor]

sim the 60 crests on myth alnseer vs 60 crests anywhere else

[golden loom]

btw the sound this alnseer trinket does

is annoying

[balmy condor]

60 crests on alnseer for me was 0.5%

80 crests crafting literally any slot was 1.1%

[waxen oyster]

you guys have other slots to send myth on?

what the helly

[golden loom]

I sent into dagger and belt today

[balmy condor]

I am kinda convinced

that myth alnseer

might be the worst crest upgrade

[waxen oyster]

My highest myth craft was 500 dps

1 rank on alnseer was 200

well boots were 1k but i made those last week

[balmy condor]

this was my top gear

the first un-upgraded alnseer right

-492

for 60 crests

[golden loom]

my 2 slots left is 4/6 belt and this

[waxen oyster]

weird sim

[balmy condor]

actual giga shit man

[golden loom]

and I am out of crests

[waxen oyster]

It was my biggest gain

[balmy condor]

dps per crest

is better in 3 slots

for me

[waxen oyster]

whispyr needs some head

confirmed

[humble verge]

12th best geared rogue

and im still garbage

[waxen oyster]

alsoxwait you added a socket to the helm

[waxen oyster]

on the realm or

[pliant remnant]

My 80 crests into Gays of the Alnseer gave me +1.12k

(on my DK)

[humble verge]

no this is all regions

well besides china

[waxen oyster]

is 277.94 really 12th most geared

wtf

[humble verge]

probably not

i just logged out to update

after i crested

[waxen oyster]

i thought the sweats were 280

who did splits etc

[humble verge]

idk

rogue arent in on most bosses anyways

if youre a top 100 guild

[waxen oyster]

that or low prio

[humble verge]

i mean we are kinda cooked

being a guild filled with melee

[thorn thorn]

:graf

[waxen oyster]

we also share loot with actual good specs

like devo

[crude helm]

I’m 278 I should be on this

[coral ibex]

where is nooj

im 277.88

[balmy condor]

It dropped like that bud

[coral ibex]

[humble verge]

update lil bro

[waxen oyster]

i could have sworn crafted helms dont come with hole

[humble verge]

update lil bro

[thorn thorn]

Bro is doing a zeross impression

[frigid lagoon]

hey guys if i wanted to learn assa in 15mins, is there anything outside of wowhead i need to know

[humble verge]

zeross

[coral ibex]

update what

[humble verge]

id dawg dead

[coral ibex]

[humble verge]

is*

[waxen oyster]

now to lose an argument to yourself

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw

Forgor about us

[humble verge]

[fresh kelp]

This doesn’t update too often

[humble verge]

zac walked so zeross could run

[humble verge]

?? just log out, and update ???

[runic hinge]

now ask quake to explain you to how to play assa for the third time this week

[humble verge]

i did that and it just insta updated

[fresh kelp]

well ye if u want to see yourself

[humble verge]

i mean yeah

if you wanna update everyone

idk

youre out of luck

havent even sent my myth crests yet

[fresh kelp]

But I mean I’m 277.5 equipped or something but I’m not on it so certainly missing other character

Like the others said

[humble verge]

also a 2nd fucking dagger dropped on vorasius, when i asked for dragons than to play vorasius

[waxen oyster]

a bit surprised the wf guilds are only 280

[thorn thorn]

And ping whispyr for a totally goated cook only to say a few hours later its terrible

[waxen oyster]

but ig who is giving rogue loot

[humble verge]

"only"

????

they are like

5 ilvls over people in top 100

[coral ibex]

hard capped by myth crests

[waxen oyster]

they do like 10 splits

[fresh kelp]

we have 5 people 280+ I think in our guild

[humble verge]

double that

[waxen oyster]

over us peasants who do none

[humble verge]

i mean sure, all of our clothies are unironically 280

[coral ibex]

[waxen oyster]

i think our only clothie over 280

is a goblin who bought mythic boes

already

[coral ibex]

2 of our top 5 geared are tanks

[humble verge]

it hasnt updated to now that ive upgraded

[waxen oyster]

yes you can buy mythic boes

as of this reset

[humble verge]

HUH

your guild has to be trolling

esp if youre using wowaudit

[fresh kelp]

we dropped so many agi polearms bro

[humble verge]

i assume atleast half of my raid team are gonna be 280 by today

or after we've gotten HoF alleria

[coral ibex]

idk we aren't giving loot to tanks

[humble verge]

[coral ibex]

idk how it happened

[waxen oyster]

i got a warbound vora dagger

do i pull an uber and make like 4 alt rogues

[humble verge]

i am actually in for alleria

it do be like that

[humble verge]

i have myth dagger on my good alt

[coral ibex]

im gonna be in for every fight

[humble verge]

i am benched for stuff :D

[drifting path]

You mean you don't have a billion alt rogues already

[waxen oyster]

no

[fresh kelp]

into the cage we go gamer

[waxen oyster]

this class is beans rn

[fresh kelp]

time to lose uptime

[drifting path]

Bro's mot in it for the love of the game

[frosty cedar]

no fucking shot

[waxen oyster]

i havent watched any alleria shit yet

just hear its terminal aids

for melee

[drifting path]

Hunter time

[fresh kelp]

the p2 obelisk thing needs you to walk out and aim it at an add 80 miles away and it always goes on 1 melee/1ranged

and when you only play 2 melee

and its like 6s+ downtime each time

[waxen oyster]

oh

i think we might have

4 at least

warrior is mandatory since one of our tanks is in mass grip jail

for any real boss

[humble verge]

actually realized im top 8 rogue ilvl if i equip the bad chimaerus trinket

[waxen oyster]

that trinket is outsim by voidstorm

[fresh kelp]

time to flex on the chart

[waxen oyster]

[fresh kelp]

gapped by ots the goat

[frigid nova]

Should I craft off-hand wep or no boys? Help a brother out

[spare kayak]

[coral ibex]

you can get the hero achievement on an alt by converting all your myth to hero crests

seems like a lot of time to do so but its possible

and then your main has the reduced costs

[fresh kelp]

ye its giga value

they did it in rwf

[spice surge]

ye its good

And i hate it

[coral ibex]

i just cba to run a gorillion 10s for the crests on an alt

[fresh kelp]

my main is down like 2 ilvl because i did not do this

a bit sad

[real pike]

yo do you have to add crafted gear into top gear mnaually?

[coral ibex]

yes

[real pike]

thanks

[haughty flicker]

np

[lime edge]

Wait how much does the achievement reduce costs by

[wary light]

alts can upgrade for 10 hero crests per upgrade

So total cost is halved

[lime edge]

[severe meadow]

No

[severe meadow]

Banana bel

[wooden jasper]

Hi guys!

Honest opinion if its okay, I only play sub, but im about to do Both the dragons and the vanguards in mythic tonight

I was looking at logs and decided to mess with Assassination cause it gives more damage to bosses

But I havent looked at anything for the rotations, the techs, etc etc, any video, guide, anything to know all the little stuff that I should know?

[runic hinge]

Look up Whispyr on youtube

that dude will get you right

[iron thorn]

slowly getting there on assa

[severe meadow]

He also wrote the guide on WoWhead, can check it out and ask questions about it if you need to

[wooden jasper]

These are my mythic logs on sub doe

[wooden jasper]

Thanks!, do u also have a youtube video?

Im very visual

then i can read to help me more with understanding the in depth stuff

[severe meadow]

Like Tony said, Whispyr has a bunch of stuff on YouTube

[wooden jasper]

Okay! Thank u

[wooden jasper]

I somehow jumped that message

Thank u guys

[runic hinge]

No worries! GL, assa is fun

[golden loom]

@frosty cedar this stupid boss died as I was 5 sec away from cds

also going in first lowkey OP as assa wtf

[frosty cedar]

close dude

[balmy condor]

I'm still group 2

[frosty cedar]

I may lose it this reset due to buffs but also ppl are losing last cds now

[balmy condor]

maybe next week

[frosty cedar]

so maybe not

[balmy condor]

I get to go group 2 and ALSO lose cds

it's such a banger

[frosty cedar]

remember bro, use the cloak tech

[coral ibex]

man i love killing chim at 6:05

it feels so good

[frosty cedar]

[iron thorn]

whats the secret to heroic crown on rogue?

[frosty cedar]

both my kills

[golden loom]

going down first was so much dopmaine tho wtf

[iron thorn]

just live with being bad?

[coral ibex]

oh it was 6:23

not that it matters

[frosty cedar]

my second kill with more ilvl was still worse than my first

goated pull

[coral ibex]

surely we kill paladins on thursday

im gonna request the bench on reclears i swear

[frosty cedar]

surely

[golden loom]

lowkey next week

I am holding deathmark

to get it on execute 2nd pot cds

fk it

[wooden jasper]

Curious, any reason I should be tracking my coins ?

None of my cooldowns, but pot, could increase its damage

Why track the coins

[sacred oyster]

you dont

[shut sand]

I looked and the BiS for rings are not the same ones on the guide

[wooden jasper]

LMAO, I was looking at someone to steal his talents for Dragons and Vanguards and I yoinked urs

[shut sand]

Its th erings u get from lothraxxion

with the set effects

[wooden jasper]

In dragons, when add spawns, do u spam Crimson Tempest or Fan of Knives?

[frosty cedar]

CT

[wooden jasper]

Btw new to ass, just legit started now, my parses arent crazy like urs but they are acceptable

[frosty cedar]

Assa is the best

[wooden jasper]

CT doesnt proc poisons, should I technically, start with 1 Fan of Knives, then spam CT?

[frosty cedar]

If you have any questions just ask in here everyone but skoop is very helpful

CT does proc poisons

[wooden jasper]

Oh nvm then

I just spam CT then

[frosty cedar]

Hell yeah brother

[wooden jasper]

I would be using FoN only if everyone has bleed i guess

[frosty cedar]

Spam CT and funnel the dragon

[wooden jasper]

What do you think of Sudden Demise, just read it

Would it be OP on adds?

for Dragon funnel?

[frosty cedar]

Well I mean you could and do giga dmg to adds but it's padding

[wooden jasper]

Oh yeah true

[frosty cedar]

It wouldn't dmg the dragon

[wooden jasper]

I wanna prog so I dont need that

[frosty cedar]

👍

The build I'm using should be the highest for 2 target

[wooden jasper]

I was trying to find a way to have 2 stack of Scent of BLood

But I think u lose too much if u do so

[balmy condor]

yeah bud?

I'll be the judge of that

(it probably is)

[sharp trellis]

May sound stupid but should you craft a 3rd item ? if yes what is the recommended item

[wooden jasper]

Sim urself

best way to know

[runic hinge]

abc always be crafting

[balmy condor]

you can craft a third item but it's TECHNICALLY wasting 20 crests

slot doesn't really matter

[frosty cedar]

If it ain't tell me so I can make it harder for you to take the R1

[balmy condor]

fuck you

[wooden jasper]

[balmy condor]

yeah okay you should take 1/2 scent

[wooden jasper]

Compared my logs with the R1 on Saladar, could of gotten R1 too if this guy didnt pad on the adds at the end

I was on the boss the entire time

[frosty cedar]

There's just no human being way to take 2/2 scent

Unfortunately

[wooden jasper]

Rip

[balmy condor]

well for shitter weekly keys sure

for raid definitely not

[wooden jasper]

FREAKING PADDER

[frosty cedar]

[balmy condor]

here, the tech right

it's -800

but when you CT the orbs

during cds

[wooden jasper]

[frosty cedar]

That's the cook brother

[balmy condor]

like when is regicide popping on dragons

[atomic rapids]

my sin rogue parse is better than my sub parse might have to main it

[balmy condor]

literally in the middle of nowhere

[frosty cedar]

Third DM delay by 10 seconds to into orbs ...

[frosty cedar]

Join us

[wooden jasper]

Backshot yall raiding vanguards soon?

[frosty cedar]

Progging it this week

[balmy condor]

his guild might be

he's fucking not

[frosty cedar]

It's so awful to do dmg on tho

[wooden jasper]

Tips for Vael and Ezz? doing it tonight

[balmy condor]

imagine bringing a rogue to that fight

[frosty cedar]

Im in bro lmao

[balmy condor]

[frosty cedar]

[wooden jasper]

LOL

TRUE

[balmy condor]

bro I self-benched myself for paladins

fuck that

[wooden jasper]

Saw like, 3 rogues only on them

[atomic rapids]

i am gonna lol

[frosty cedar]

Sorry raid leader but I must do vanguard for all-star points

[delicate pecan]

!wa

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[wooden jasper]

only 41 rogues did vanguards

[frosty cedar]

Nah bro after buff I'm sending it

[wooden jasper]

33 of them are SIN

[frosty cedar]

Surely

I think outlaw might be better ngl

[golden loom]

you luck out again @frosty cedar

[frosty cedar]

Close bro

Just wait for my reclear

I'm gonna increase the moat

[wooden jasper]

[frosty cedar]

Y'all getting too close

[golden loom]

time for vora this boss is mine

[runic hinge]

bro is gonna pay for pi

[frosty cedar]

My first imperator kill was like 15k ahead of second place

[wooden jasper]

Ok so far all i learned is,

No need to track coins,

[frosty cedar]

Nope

[wooden jasper]

no*

[frosty cedar]

If a priest in my raid PIs me I send them to the penis explosion chamber

That shit is diabolical for assa

[runic hinge]

yes but think of the parse

[thorn fjord]

Tony smells

[runic hinge]

true

[sacred oyster]

im not sure if you are happy or upset about PI there

[quaint dragon]

whats best way to farm hero crest delves?

[thorn fjord]

havent played sin because the variations of stat allocation make me anxious and i cant decide what to run lolol

not stat

talent*

[wooden jasper]

Vorasius is impossible to parse proprely

[waxen oyster]

what's more diabolical is sub rogues with PI

like what the fuh does that do

[sacred oyster]

mythic for mythic, raid st for pure st, raid for raid with mt

its not really complicated

[waxen oyster]

a decent part of vorasius is

never get targeted by a shitter ngl

[wooden jasper]

add spawn - i get cncer stage 5

[thorn fjord]

There are alot of variations in WCL

[waxen oyster]

you probably dont need to pad on them but

getting one on you is cringe since you often run to the back

if you get a first set

so less uptime

[real pike]

any UI wizards know how i get these style nameplates in m+/raid? when I go into those I get full on health bars and I can't find where to change it

[wooden jasper]

@frosty cedar How much gold for a 10minute coaching

[sacred oyster]

well, you are either a leader or a follower, if you wanna play with your own builds and change things against the "recommended", then i dont think that kind of stuff should bother you. people are experiementing for the raids. but if you just want to use someone elses builds, the WH ones arent gonna be 'bad'

[wooden jasper]

Ill teach u how to Rank1 Samira

IM COOKED FOR TONIGHTS RAID

PARSE GRAY INCOMING

[golden loom]

I can teach you rogue, samira and how to parse

[past bobcat]

i tried. Paladins is so bad. Doing 140-150k dps and bottom of meters

3% buff btw

[balmy condor]

I'm telling you

[wooden jasper]

THE GOAT?

[balmy condor]

scent of blood from 2/4 max 20 to 4/8 max 12/24

I'm TELLLLLLLLLLLLING YOU

BLIZZARD

LET ME DESIGN THE SPEC

(that's a terrible idea don't let me do that)

[wooden jasper]

I legit just switched to ass like 1h15minute ago, need to learn all the little techs

[balmy condor]

what little techs

[past bobcat]

Its just so bad lmao. They buffed the aoe and it did nothing

[golden loom]

press mutilate press envenom

[wooden jasper]

Should I double garrote off opener?

for pandemic?

[balmy condor]

sure

[tight ginkgo]

i'm probably overcomplicating it but what do you check in logs for review generally?

[balmy condor]

if you're talented into razor wire it's like 0.3% or something whatever

[tight ginkgo]

just uptime on dots? envenom casts?

Ensuring you pressed cd at goodge time?

[sacred oyster]

with platy turn on name only for friendly. cant get the full custom ones in instances though. blizz doesnt allow custom nameplates for players for some weird damn reason

[hazy sundial]

Samira main 💀 💀💀

[golden loom]

samira is basically an outlaw rogue

and that char is outlaw for some reason never touched outside of transmog runs

[balmy condor]

in order:

• talents
• gar/rup uptime
• did cds get pressed
• check sequence to make sure it's not like some braindead shit where kingsbane is giga desynced or whatever
• combo point overcap/using on 5
• glance at energy graph and if it's not obscene for any reasons it's chill
• check buffs for implacable triggers (around 3 procs per minute is fairly normal)

and if that all looks fine you blame tank positioning, gear, and rng

[hazy sundial]

Yeah but she is dogshit. Picking samira is basically griefing

[wooden jasper]

U know what, amma just spell all my questions

1. Should you double garrote during opener? For Pandemic?

2. While Improved Garrote is up, should I spam garrote on every close target? or not bother running around and doing it through CT?

3. Im assuming im not spamming Evenom for energy consumption? Just enough to keep the buff up almost everytime?

4. Im not sure how Implacable works? Is there a target number I should be looking for? Whats the smart way to track it?

5. FUTUR QUESTION INCOMING KEKW

[golden loom]

bros raid is cooked

[waxen oyster]

so how's that different from outlaw?

[golden loom]

[waxen oyster]

accurate

[wooden jasper]

LMFAO

[waxen oyster]

[wooden jasper]

PLZ SPEED I NEED THIS

[golden loom]

I also only played samira top

[wooden jasper]

[golden loom]

the #1 fiora counter in the game

[balmy condor]

1. with razor wire yes but it's whatever
2. god no, press ct like a normal person
3. envenom's buff maintains itself, you have to purposefully drop it for the apex and that's it
4. you get to 80 stacks, generate to 5 cp, and then evaluate if you drop envenom. You drop unless dropping envenom would overcap you or get you really close to overcapping
5. this spec is not that hard just press envenom

[waxen oyster]

I just press buttons

and number go up

[spice spire]

Okay but I’m allergic to envenom

[narrow berry]

@balmy condor thank you for this just a quick question sometimes i cant track the evenom stack and i have to look up right of the screen to find it and i have normal ui, do you have any idea why ?

[tight ginkgo]

Thanks ~~sweetie ~~ pookie♥️

[balmy condor]

cause it's bugged in the cdm

maybe I really should get around to making that command

but I know if I make the command they're gonna just fucking fix it

and then I have to get rid of it

[narrow berry]

oh ok

[coral ibex]

make the command so they fix it

please god

[wooden jasper]

Sorry im a cuck, I have yet to hit a training dummy

But thank u Whispyr

[narrow berry]

strange they dont fix it i find it pretty hard to track the 80 stack buff duration

[balmy condor]

they tried to fix it

[narrow berry]

looking between all sort of buff

[weary shoal]

is sin back on the menue ?

[balmy condor]

they just fixed it incorrectly

sin has always been on the menu

you just meta cucked yourself into playing sub cause you didn't know any better

[inner atlas]

Hey, do you try to maintain dots on both drakes on Ezzorak and Vaelgor? And how do you do to cleave adds, they end up so far from the boss each time, feels impossible?

[narrow berry]

ok, i will open i ticket i know it will not make a difference but but we are many complaining about that maybe they will take it more seriously

[coral ibex]

well its because the number of people playing assassination rogue in 2026 is tiny and the bug itself doesn't prevent any correct functionality of the spec, so realistically blizzard just does not give a fuck about this bug in terms of hotfixing it

[narrow berry]

if we *