assassination

[warm vortex]

it's still shit

Indeed

[strange onyx]

P4 of what?

[warm vortex]

And im having a blast

[balmy condor]

lura

[warm vortex]

It feels actually insane on lura so far

[sand elm]

first stage of belonren fucking sucks

[warm vortex]

My CDs line up with everyhting

[high dust]

4pc* sorrynotsorry

[strange onyx]

Ain’t no bum like that in here

[strange onyx]

Normal or hc?

[high dust]

Yes.

[viscid spear]

Yes

[warm vortex]

Are all stats still good for assa

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[sand elm]

hc
just saving cds for a minute feels bad

[warm vortex]

Imagine not having your only CD be one minute

apparently trash

according to skoopers

[viscid spear]

Jumpscare warning

[balmy condor]

grats feather

[strange onyx]

Just send them on the bird add. Nobody has ever done that. Rank 1 dumbest play for that fight, ez rank 1

[fallow canopy]

nice preyseeker's signet

[high dust]

i would pick emberwing just out of spite

[strange onyx]

@sand elm

[viscid spear]

I do need more Haste

[high dust]

and that preyseeker's kukri? tempting...

[elder agate]

what u guys think i should upgrade with hero? tier pieces?

[viscid spear]

I already have one

[sand elm]

onesie gamer

[viscid spear]

Wasted slot

[stuck lodge]

I have yet to secure a gaze lads. It is a rough time

[forest whale]

Someone help my brain hurts.

[wraith knot]

Ptsd triggered

[strange onyx]

Yo guys! You were hating earlier when I said @balmy condor was playing sudden demise and owning. Now he is doing it again!

[elder agate]

what

[balmy condor]

you are my biggest opp

[wraith knot]

Schrodingers rings bro goddamn

[high dust]

SUDDEN DEMISE IS BACK

[forest whale]

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-le-sad-cat-gif-16777715376630435814

[viscid spear]

[warm vortex]

Gratz

big boy

[strange onyx]

Whispyr streams on mute and blasting with Sudden Demise, what could be better

[high dust]

that was me last week

[strange onyx]

So glad he woke me up for this

[viscid spear]

Replaces a stupid Hero-track, huge upgrade

[sand elm]

ur wearing a onesie

[real pike]

wtf I turned on his stream and he's not only not running SD but unmuted too???

[elder agate]

ok, what is onesie

[strange onyx]

!Sudden Demise

[high dust]

fuck it, im going to sleep. wish me luck for tomorrow. cause with all these champion-track items...I need it.

[strange onyx]

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[high dust]

...Damn I wish

[strange onyx]

@balmy condor big discovery

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[real pike]

how tf does Whispyr play keys without mob health showing as flat

how does he know what to press cooldowns on???

[strange onyx]

He doesn’t need to now with the Sudden Demise bug

[high dust]

...Wait, the bug is real?

[coral ibex]

no

[strange onyx]

!Sudden Demise

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[coral ibex]

[high dust]

[real pike]

wait hold up is that for real

!Sudden Demise

[strange onyx]

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[high dust]

Oh shit it is.

[coral ibex]

if you get got twice by the loa of misinformation

[high dust]

!Sudden Demise

[coral ibex]

that is on you

jesus christ

[strange onyx]

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[high dust]

we should just spam it to see if he gets bored quick

[strange onyx]

!Bored

I don’t get bored

[sand elm]

its an outfit or pajamas that is one piece of clothing

[cold pulsar]

what points we move to get Sudden demise?

[high dust]

KB for sure.

[strange onyx]

Amp poison

And dragon tempered blades

[low hare]

.> are we so desperate were playing around bugs now boiz?

[fiery mauve]

[high dust]

...Oh no

Skoop what have u done.

[strange onyx]

!Sudden Demise

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[high dust]

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[elder agate]

oh yea, its pretty good lol

[fiery mauve]

[real pike]

idk he's kind of backed himself into a corner here

!Sudden Demise

[strange onyx]

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[real pike]

!Sudden Demise

[strange onyx]

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[real pike]

!Sudden Demise

[strange onyx]

Stop spamming!

[high dust]

!Sudden Demise

[real pike]

[high dust]

Damn this clanker is broken already.

[strange onyx]

Sudden Eshariel is currently bugged

[elder agate]

!Sudden Demise

[strange onyx]

I will go sleep now. Ping me if they fix the bug

[high dust]

And I will contribute all current DoTs on the target.

[strange onyx]

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[blazing totem]

isnt that just bug abusing

[misty holly]

Has something recently changed with weapon enchants? Top Gear jsut gave me a 12% single target dps increase by switching from berserkers rage to acuity of the rendorei.

Which seems impossible, I dont think unenchanted to rendorei should be 12%

[slate birch]

probs not that much, but i do sim higher with rendorei

cus sub main spec

[still glade]

I hope so, I like both sub and assassin.

[slate birch]

rendorei MH, mastery OH

is whatt im running

[still glade]

That seems very safe for a mythic+, heroic raid (at best) dude like me.

[slate birch]

could sim acuity + haste

if ur assa main

but ill prio sub always

[still glade]

Sub makes me use cooldowns and my very old brain gets very protective of Deathmark... I just love them both.

[slate birch]

bro just rip it

as long as u get a full usage duration out of it

RIP it on cd

you'll make the key go faster

[still glade]

Well you know us old folks, always clingin' to things...

[high dust]

Same...

[fiery mauve]

[proven cove]

[mighty rapids]

whats the sudden demise build

[buoyant herald]

Read his name

But if you do want to try it out, you probably just drop the points leading up to DTB

[plain thistle]

something about his name makes me want to trust him

[mighty rapids]

ty

[slate birch]

i use it in 10s when i just want slop content

[mighty rapids]

yea thast what i was lookin for

[stuck lodge]

Do you make dramatically different rotation choices? I swear everytime I try this bleed build it feels so underwhelming for me, I must be doing something wrong

[slate birch]

no

just dot one target spam ct

and the fucking pack just dies

its a 10

technically

i do one change

ur supp to CT until all targets have bleeds, i do envenom at 5 when i play this build

cus its a fucking 10 feels better

[stuck lodge]

I think you do that anyways

[slate birch]

no

[stuck lodge]

always dump at 5 I thought

[slate birch]

CT > envenom untill all targets have bleeds

even if capped

[stuck lodge]

Huh, I guess I've been doing that wrong then

[slate birch]

cringe but it is what it is

[stuck lodge]

I'm just gonna be pressing CT for like, 20 GCD's during AA first pull huh

[buoyant herald]

Well you’re also meant to get all bleeds up before going into CDs so you want that to happen ASAP right

[slate birch]

u start CT spamming while tank gathers

[buoyant herald]

Otherwise good luck having anything last for full KB

On a ten

[bleak star]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spring creek]

so when are they making deathstalker good? im tired of flipping coins

[buoyant herald]

Tired of flipping coins, not tired of moving marks

[balmy condor]

just the thought of having to move the mark makes me tired of deathstalker

[hollow river]

is that real

[balmy condor]

no

[hollow river]

or we just copy pastang

[viscid spear]

[glad mica]

i feel so dumb for not being able to figure out how to track implacable buff in a convenient way

[warm vortex]

Is there a catchup

for the void decimus struff

[solar wyvern]

[fallen moss]

am i crazy to pass up myth puzzle box for myth shoulders? And I main sub

[stuck lodge]

Does sub use box

[fallen moss]

not really

[stuck lodge]

Then you probably don't want it

I'll take it off your hands though

[brazen falcon]

only in keys if you want more aoe

[solid hemlock]

in keys ofc

legit BiS

[stuck lodge]

yall got different trinkets for different occasions? rough

[solid hemlock]

ofc xd

[spice surge]

Not necessarily

[warm vortex]

What if i use puzzle box because i'm bored and want to solve a simple puzzle

what about that

huh

[manic quartz]

i'm currently pretty set with trinkets, hero gaze/guidon/box

[abstract thunder]

Is assa best spec now for m+ ?

[solid hemlock]

yeah

[stuck lodge]

I too can solve a cube in 2seconds

[solid hemlock]

maybe not for low keys tho

[brazen falcon]

you can vibe with sub for like anything 17 and under

[warm vortex]

I like how you ask not best rogue spec

[solid hemlock]

seems about right yeah

[warm vortex]

just best spec

IK rogue was implied

But it's like midnight and everythings making me gigle

[solid hemlock]

hiehehe

[abstract thunder]

I only play rogue for more than 10 years soo no need to say rogue 😂

[gilded oasis]

Imagine we had a real puzzle to solve on use. "Sorry guys can't dodge this doing a maze"

[abstract thunder]

All i know is this class

[viscid spear]

Okay, now when do I use the dumb puzzle box

[gilded oasis]

Before dm

[solid hemlock]

before cds

[warm vortex]

Noo

the real gameplay is using it and getting fucking obliterated by a glave 1/2 through the cast

[gilded oasis]

Oops sorry guys can't move doing a 6x3 square of memory game match the icons

[solid hemlock]

also the classic shadowstep after solving bc tank dragged pull another mile

[abstract thunder]

Soo basically i stay sub for keys from 10 to 15 ?

[warm vortex]

Does shadowstepping to beloran pre pull take you into the sky

[gray horizon]

Any changes to our talents lately? ones in the wowhead guide still gucci?

[warm vortex]

Cause i harpooned and it took me like 10 ft into the air

[warm vortex]

No

At least according to the pin

Which whisp will change if anything happens

[hardy rapids]

HOW THE CHANGES

[warm vortex]

$0.51

Keep it

[solid hemlock]

wish DS was close enough, i'd gladly sac some overall for actual funnel

[hardy rapids]

thank you

[solid hemlock]

surely gets more value from buffs

[warm vortex]

They should make DS fun

At least it wasn't as bad a sentinel pre bugfix (It's still broken anyway because ofc it is)

The sentinel bug is

[solid hemlock]

DS first boss AA would go hard if u tell premade to not touch adds

[warm vortex]

ok imagine if you only ever had 1 stack of deathstlakers mark

But it went on random targets

[solid hemlock]

no

[warm vortex]

that's basically the sentinel bug rn

It's fucking awful

It's meant to go on your primary target when you consume tip but if you use raptor swipe it goes on a random target within like

30 yards

-_-

It used to be off all your AoE abilities but they """""""""""""""""fixed"""""""""""""""" it

[bitter jolt]

Guys during AoE do I CT till all mobs have bleeds and ignore combo points or throw envenom on 5CP?

[spice surge]

Throw envenoms

[solid hemlock]

you basically use it like FoK, u just stop when everything has bleeds and use FoK like u would normally

[paper wraith]

i've noticed Implacable sometimes doesn't always get tracked on the cooldown manager, is there anyway to fix that lol

[solid hemlock]

just think of it as a better aoe builder than FoK unless everything has bleeds

[spice surge]

Nop

[paper wraith]

WOOOO

[brazen falcon]

reroll class

[elder agate]

u guys think its worth to upgrade the rings?

[solid hemlock]

upgrade rings last imo, they have no primary stats

[viscid spear]

So setup Garrote and Rupture, then Box?

[solid hemlock]

for ST yeah

in m+ you might wanna spread bleeds till tank is done gathering, then box into DM KB

[plush oasis]

Garrote > Rupture > Envenom buff > Box

[solid hemlock]

^

[balmy condor]

rings aren't terrible upgrades

but you can just sim it as well

[gilded oasis]

And an envenom. Tho sometimes I envenom after box but before dm. I think it's suboptimal but not by much? Idk

Sometimes it just feels right tho

And we go with our feelycrafting

[arctic venture]

!bosses

🙂

[radiant aspen]

erm

so its not worth to play tempest

on lura

right

[viscid spear]

Blizzard says nope

[sick oyster]

why env buff before box and cds?

[plush oasis]

There's probably a marginal difference between putting box before or after the first envenom. But you will miss a lot of damage if your envenom buff isn't already up before deathmark and kingsbane.

The buff interacts directly with both those cds.

[misty holly]

I've found it's actually annoying getting so many "prebuffs" up before going into cooldowns because blizzard seems to have designed a lot of encounters with the expectation that players will blow cooldowns to start

so they give us our "fun" for 15 or 20 seconds before things start happening that might pull us away

but when you spend 10 seconds prebuffing

then pop cooldoens

those mechanics start happening before you have run the full kingsbane and deathmark

[plush oasis]

The only part I hate about the ramping opener is that the damn puzzle box is bis again.

[misty holly]

tbh I dont even bother. After getting pulled away from the boss half way through my first kingsbane too many times i thought "You know, if I sent this 4 seconds earlier I wouldn't be having this problem"

and 4 seconds earlier means no pre-envenom

and this issue pops up both in raid and M+ bosses.

of course it's not every single encounter, but it's enough that I kept getting annoyed with the long ramp

[sick aspen]

As someone not currently raiding mythic, just to understand, could someone explain what about the Dragons fight changes for us that we would take shadowrunner over deadened nerves?

[night summit]

how do i know what stat to focus if raidbots stat weights are not good? how much haste should i get to?

[sick aspen]

I haven't seen a hard % to aim for, there's a general priority in the wowhead guide and as your gear changes when you sim yourself might be the best way to notice when it shifts haste vs mastery priority

[balmy condor]

Combination of top gear and droptimizer

[vocal basalt]

Has the cuaster splatter tooltip always been wrong?

[balmy condor]

Until you’re 285ish your secondaries are generally not going to matter that much

[balmy condor]

Wrong how

[vocal basalt]

It says its 25% not 20%

[balmy condor]

You’re playing fatebound

[broken ibex]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vocal basalt]

Im just dumb then, got it

[balmy condor]

Talent adds 5%

[vocal basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cute-cat-silly-silly-cat-gif-16575202971787635857

[viscid spear]

Ask for more buffs

[calm grail]

Why does this not say 20?

[vocal basalt]

Oh no, I'm patient zero

[gilded oasis]

scroll up 5 messages

or 7

[calm grail]

What talent adds?

[vocal basalt]

Fatebound

Adds 5%

[gilded oasis]

read your talents for funsie and find the %

ok he gave you the answer thats cheating

[balmy condor]

search bar

[low hare]

sorry i couldnt bear to see you suffer any longer 😛

[balmy condor]

incredibly good

[gilded oasis]

sorry im not old enough to go to bar

[low hare]

you dont need to be of age to search bars dawg

u just cant go to them

[gilded oasis]

[vocal basalt]

What about monkey bars?

[low hare]

somehow in 2026 i find that phrase to be racist ahahaha

[viscid spear]

Am I good to get enough CP, use Box, and then Envenom and pop CDs?

[gilded oasis]

you can find anything in anything if you look hard enough dont look so hard

[gilded oasis]

I do that sometimes but I am bad, dont be like me (or do)

box is long enough to cover the extra gcd so

[pine flare]

hold on, is this a secret low key build to smash with sudden demise?

[vocal basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/toast-anime-concerned-gif-22128918

[low hare]

let me double check with my homie

ok your off the hook

[fallow canopy]

yep, can confirm

[random gazelle]

Is there ever a good reason to run deathstalker right now? I tried it and it seemed like it was a bit stronger aoe in keys but that's about it

[pine flare]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[balmy condor]

I guess idk, it's all fake damage anyway

[balmy condor]

no

also it's only like 3% strong on >8 targets

you'd need to giga pull like a mfer to get any value out of it

[cedar elm]

blizzard buffed and now im im doing more dmg than devourer

gg guys we are meta

[viscid spear]

I try to Envenom before but the buff seems to wear off before I can do another Envenom

[radiant aspen]

okay time to change my name to red

https://giphy.com/gifs/rukaateto-rukaateto00-kid-patrick-1VAhClIh0Tkz1XvLtF

[gilded oasis]

its toight but KB should get you there before it falls off. I think env after puzzle is fine tho tbh

[weak crescent]

67

[pallid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/ohne-pixel-67-gif-1548079966599215122

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-67-scp-67-funyuns-funny-gif-75413186200073602

[gilded oasis]

@earnest remnant I'm happy to announce I did not throw knife and I did not spec into mind numbing either

[keen spruce]

6️⃣ 7️⃣

[viscid spear]

I love Throw Knife

[gilded oasis]

yeah but

[coral ibex]

brother may i introduce

shadowstep and kidney shot

[gilded oasis]

no

only throw knife

also I think they spawn in poop I was too scared to find out

sounds like a ranged kick job

[brazen falcon]

sounds like a ranged kick into curse of tongues

[gilded oasis]

only one curse thats why they were telling me to throw knife mind numbing

I didnt but I think they think I did so that counts

[brazen falcon]

gg

[warm verge]

for 6/7 keys should i go sudden demise

[balmy condor]

for what keys

[kindred cobalt]

there is any list of current talent bugs ?

[warm verge]

like +6/7s

[balmy condor]

yes

[warm verge]

just trying tohelp a friend blast keys but

https://tenor.com/lFHZ8oUJv46.gif

do i drop dashing for it?

[balmy condor]

goodness no

[storm forum]

assa is such a viber

[warm verge]

[balmy condor]

go wowhead

has a build

[warm verge]

my goat tyty

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

watcha detectin bud

[viscid spear]

Not sure yet, still looking

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sonic zinc]

is taht sudden demise player thats high ranked on heroic just cheesing the adds or something on dragons

[balmy condor]

yes

[haughty flicker]

wait

thats hype wtf

press ct then the fury warrior deletes everything for you

[balmy condor]

it wasn't even a crazy log

[haughty flicker]

but its a very funny one

[viscid spear]

[sonic zinc]

very funny to see in the sea of normal builds

also, we should always be playing internal bleeding rn ya? bc it spreads with ct?

[haughty flicker]

nice

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's just defacto equal or better

[gilded oasis]

i got so boned on saladbar. I had to do 2 mechanics

and had no sprint and no step

[sonic zinc]

oof

[boreal mist]

do we have any talent changes with reset or all still the same

[balmy condor]

all the same

would need a lot more than a measly 3% buff to change talents

[haughty pewter]

We fuck hard on dragons now btw

[balmy condor]

now?

[sand elm]

why u fuckin dragons

[warm verge]

[balmy condor]

did we not fuck hard before

[gilded oasis]

i always fuck hard idk

[cunning needle]

i thought we weren't going to bring up that night

[haughty pewter]

The 10% increase from CT and FoK has me up on the meter with the devourers and the warlocks

[balmy condor]

okay well

that definitely should not be happening

devourers are like a solid 15% ahead on dragons

a measly 3% buff ain't fixin that

[haughty pewter]

I'm just saying the dam is daming rn

[balmy condor]

I'm glad to hear it

I just think you're placebo'ing yourself because there was blue letters

[haughty pewter]

it's just splash damage from the orbs on dragons, but it feels nice when you get to hit mobs when they're all neatly placed together

[latent kernel]

2 myth pieces from raid tonight lfg

myth dagger on second boss goes crazy lol

[lethal turtle]

Is your name like after the song WAP?

[karmic orbit]

victory

[latent kernel]

im not sure

the song wasnt out when i made it

[sand elm]

[latent kernel]

i dont get how im 275 ilvl and 3k io and im getting declined to 10s, like what unicorns are these people looking for to fill their keys?

oh forgot we are B tier

makes sense

[zinc frost]

Looking for the non yellow class with utility

[latent kernel]

for a 10 is crazy work tho

[kindred cobalt]

OK

[storm forum]

god i love assassination, but holy shit is it garbage in raid lmao

[shy creek]

Its just not a padding spec which is what the raid kinda is

Otherwise its really good at what it does

Which is slap the shit out of bosses

[storm forum]

god i love slapping the shit out of bosses

[remote spade]

Do you k now why plater isn’t recommended?

[shy creek]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[shy creek]

I dont remember when this ping was updated, but I'm not sure either

But at the beginning of the addon changes, it was pretty bad and not recommended

[balmy condor]

it's still pretty bad and not recommended

it's worse performance, more buggy, harder to configure, and less popular

so it's just worse in every conceivable way

[misty holly]

Yep I've been destroying on bosses compared to the people I raid with. Both are valuable in a raid. If everyone is a single target specialist the adds will be a problem, but if every person is your raid is just good at killing adds the boss won't die.

[sudden grotto]

And then there’s hunters , locks and mages who can do both

[ember relic]

What are pandemic windows now

[misty holly]

20% of rupture/garotte duration is the pandemic

usually around 4-7 seconds depending on combo points

[balmy condor]

30%

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[brave gyro]

I was big praying for Myth Gaze, but alas.
Took guidon for sub, but already have 289 puzzlebox

[bold temple]

I had the opposite scenario today. Had guidon myth already so took puzzle box for assa

Played assa in raid for first time in over half a year on mythic dragons today.

[brave gyro]

another week with Crucible trinket (unless the weekly gives HC gaze)

[royal lantern]

[golden loom]

3 rings

[primal parrot]

signet of the starved beast

fitting

[brave gyro]

[next compass]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rugged basalt]

Maybe I get box next week..

[night vessel]

cheers guys. we will start progging paladins today. i am in as sin rogue and wanted to ask something. do i hold both kingsbane solo and kb/dm until all 3 bosses are together every time? or is there a certain way of doing it? didn't play sin this expac until now

[amber brook]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[safe patrol]

why is plater not recommended btw, not doubting it but just curious. is it performance related?

[strange onyx]

Buggy mess

[high dust]

This is just making me go sub...

[amber brook]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[boreal lichen]

Since when is sudden demise bugged?

[buoyant herald]

fake news

[balmy condor]

its not bugged

[amber brook]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[haughty pewter]

Is there anything for the UI that'll make the combo points go green when I have 5 or more?

[cunning needle]

yeah

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[cunning needle]

arcui can do that

[haughty pewter]

ty

[bleak sedge]

Morning! Do we run DS in M+ now or still fate?

[balmy condor]

fatebound

[shut sand]

Bruh wtf is that rng

Speaking of which when will Ds get buffs?

[haughty pewter]

I got Gaze and Puzzlebox first week, Puzzlebox this week, and Dagger from V drop. So if you're looking for rng to hat eon its right here, this guy.

[true tusk]

lol, my best drop its hands myth and crafted to tier xd

[primal parrot]

day 300 of trying to get into a dreamrift hc grp without curve

[strange onyx]

Got Gaze mythic last week

[strange onyx]

Can boost you

[candid jasper]

Is the 2 set ring from nexus any good for us? I got the myth track ring from my box and have the hero track from the dungeon itself

[balmy condor]

not really

[jolly stirrup]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[balmy condor]

the rings are fine

but they're like

not anything speical

[high dust]

Bis rings were algethar and...Saron? From M+

[balmy condor]

"bis" is a pretty bait concept these days with such a large loot pool and a billion gem sockets

but yeah, those are pretty good

[high dust]

Always sim, yeh

[spring pike]

back to assas?

[shell plaza]

gg ❤️

[analog hedge]

oof plume and box

decision decision

[shell plaza]

box

[analog hedge]

honestly while box is such an insane dps upgrade

i hate using it...

so clunky

[golden loom]

If its a myth box thats an insta pick

[mortal ferry]

Any caustic spatter knowers, does the direction of you or the mob impact caustics damage?

[strange onyx]

There used to be a picture

[balmy condor]

There still is, but it’s not relevant on anything

[balmy condor]

It’s a circle around your target

[high dust]

I should just pick saron's belt. Right...?

[strange onyx]

Define circle

[strange onyx]

Let me have a look

[balmy condor]

Copy paste the image

Or without the # at the front

[strange onyx]

Currently simming

[strange onyx]

I gave up trying to forward it

[balmy condor]

Sigh

I will find it

[strange onyx]

Search Gallywix and it appears fast

Sent it to Causal the other day

[balmy condor]

The before, with the 12 yard range from the center

That’s how it works

In 99% of situations

No further explanation required

[strange onyx]

Thanks Whispyr

[balmy condor]

On Vorasius you get the second check

And only Vorasius

And nothing else

And never in m+

[strange onyx]

Delves?

[balmy condor]

Anything smaller than Vorasius hitbox is too small

[strange onyx]

Done Simming

You want a real answer or just a quick answer?

[true tusk]

I keep uploading logs, but the damage meter isn't showing the same results as Warcraftlogs. Who's making a mistake? Am I seeing damage I'm not dealing, or is our damage not being calculated correctly?

[mortal ferry]

Thank you!

[high dust]

A meme one.

[mortal ferry]

Im glad there were some buffs for assa. A little more caustic dmg would have been nice along with the radius for some QOL.

[primal parrot]

this counts as misinformation doesnt it

[humble rose]

hey guys, im using whispyr's platynator profile and its great, but is there a way to customise it so you can see which player a cast is going to? for example for second boss in PoS it would be good to know if its coming to me and nobody is interrupting to cloak

[high dust]

I got Lucky myself. Random group, I had no curve not even normal exp. Gets invited. First try.

[dapper zodiac]

does assasination have a haste breakpoint thats needed?

[strange onyx]

No

[strange onyx]

Take belt

[crisp pine]

You click on add widget and add "Cast Target"

[strange onyx]

In game poison bomb broken, aug evoker? Any other and u got hard proof I can forward it to the Warcraftlogs team

[strange onyx]

Whadå radius?

[strange onyx]

If you pay, I can boost you. Eu?

[hollow river]

[primal parrot]

[strange onyx]

Your name is money. How can you not have it?

[primal parrot]

the key to having money is being stingy

[true tusk]

I could take a screenshot at the end of the run and then attach it with the logs, and no, I haven't played with evoker, I uploaded the last few runs but it happens systematically in every run.

[crisp pine]

I thought the key is exploitation of the global south

[radiant raven]

this looks really good

[primal parrot]

this is just bait

[strange onyx]

Poison bomb

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[scarlet wyvern]

should i get the myth version of the trinket or instead get mythic shoulders -> catalyst?

[strange onyx]

Just homemade sauce and some balls. It got the same colors as the caustic picture

[strange onyx]

Myth shoulders

[radiant raven]

Big fan of homemade sauce and some balls.

[true tusk]

That's what Whispyr told me yesterday, but what exactly is happening with poison bombs? Is Blizzard overcalculating the damage you're not actually doing, or is Warcraft Logs not calculating it correctly?

[strange onyx]

I’ll send you the recipe if u get an orange parse

[radiant raven]

[strange onyx]

I’ll fetch one of the backroom nerds

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Oh

M+

Warcraftlogs counts downtime

In-game doesn’t

[strange onyx]

There you have it @true tusk

[true tusk]

@strange onyx @balmy condor Thanks a lot, both, for resolve my doubt! I was going crazy, hahaha

[strange onyx]

No worries bud. We are always happy to help

[jolly stirrup]

Speak for yourself

For legal reasons: jk

[strange onyx]

Me and Whispyr. You are not part of «we»

[jolly stirrup]

Damn

[strange onyx]

You are part of «they / them»

They / them grey logs

[jolly stirrup]

Rude

[subtle tundra]

he wanted to type gay

gay logs

u have those

[strange onyx]

Better logs than me

[jolly stirrup]

Valid

[grand scarab]

Why use Blackjack instead of tricks in m+ build?

[strange onyx]

There is a niche for it

[chrome storm]

Please help, ring (crit mastery) or myth hands set? Sim is better for ring but idk if i dont change it in future

[strange onyx]

And assa doesn’t do much snap threat

[strange onyx]

Will you get myth tier from raid in the near future?

[chrome storm]

Hands are from Vorasius which we killing but not sure ill get it, too many leathers in group (+ not 100% it drops) 😄

[sick oyster]

hands are very easy to get from raid + you can cata any glove piece from future vaults. if the ring is good take it

[strange onyx]

Who drops Hand off piece?

[silent stratus]

How does assa look with the recent buffs now? Anyone pushed a few high keys?

[strange onyx]

Assa is the best in high keys

[mellow copper]

are those buffs in already ? I have no idea

[strange onyx]

Yes

Came in with weekly reset

[mellow copper]

thx

[strange onyx]

Nw, anymore questions while you got me here?

[mellow copper]

Nope, just love and appreciation towards you ❤️

[strange onyx]

Thank you friend 🙂‍↕️

[chrome storm]

Drakes in Void raid

[strange onyx]

Soo then the question becomes

[keen raven]

rogue bak?

[strange onyx]

The selfish move is to take the ring as myth rings are harder to come by.

The teamplayer move is to take hands as that means someone else can get hand tier from the raid and same with gloves later on

[strange onyx]

Rogue never been anywhere

[viscid spear]

It's the whole Stealth thing

[strange onyx]

😶‍🌫️

[subtle tundra]

yea buddy if you get pi ofc you do dps

get real

[strange onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/skibi-di-gif-3127588730399978483

[keen raven]

huh

[trim cairn]

Ngl I still miss old assa energy system but CT feels really good and the overall damage feels really good right now

Now they only need to add something to make the average m+ lfg joe not sleep on Rogues

[keen raven]

i agree old asa energy systen felt so good

espec when a target died with a bleed

[trim cairn]

The dopamine hit was great

Also made cleave fights feel amazing

[earnest imp]

How do you define if its worth reapplying (unbuffed) garrote and spreading it or not when pack is about to die?

Notice myself reapplying bleeds to aoe packs then it dies 5 seconds later and kinda feels dumb

[subtle tundra]

you cant read ?

typical assa

[keen raven]

can you not see?

thats a dung with no PI

[strange onyx]

Stop getting baited

[trim cairn]

Is Latch's Crooked Hook really a thing lol?

[keen raven]

if u do the pack right most the time u shouldnt have to

should be delaying ur vanish and then reapplyin rupture to 40s

in rare instances tho u do just garrote/reapply

[earnest imp]

Max garrote is like 30s isnt it

[strange onyx]

No

[peak lake]

when the heart say trinket for assa later, but the head is the play to prog alleria 🙁

[lapis lantern]

is there an addon to see when my trinkets procs?

[keen raven]

yea but what i do is you go into pack

garrote fov garrote rupture

spread that to entire pack

puzzle box, vanish garrote should be at like 15sec, deathmark kingsbane/reapply

energy isnt an issue in giga packs

[trim cairn]

Also if you KB prio targets they die pretty fast so you can ask your tank to chain pull the useless mobs into the next pack and you don't really suffer much at all

[warm vortex]

I still need to get used to this different ver of Assa

Impeccable seems fun but it’s weird actually having to think about energy in AoE

[earnest imp]

Why does that sound super janky to use vanish like thsy to me

That*

[warm vortex]

I’m p sure you’d be fine saving vanish for chainpulls either way

At least that how it sounds to me

But it’s a damage gain to have it in DM

[woeful wigeon]

is there any one from europe servers can can show me with discord how we need to proprely use these apex willing to pay wow gold for youre time

[warm vortex]

I’m washed up and sorta brainless now tho so don’t take what I say as fact

[earnest imp]

Like doing it like that Grunt your full sending to mobs at low hp at that point

[hollow river]

[warm vortex]

Bro called him Grunt

[earnest imp]

Xd

Grant sorry

[warm vortex]

Haha Nono it’s ok

[trim cairn]

Lmao

[warm vortex]

It’s just super funny to me

[hollow river]

if you have questions you can just ask here

[warm vortex]

Also hi trikz

[hollow river]

don't have to try and pay anyone

hullo

[woeful wigeon]

we i need guidance the whole 80 stacvk drop it of not getting it

[rugged basalt]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEWPq2aWIAAJsKp.webp

[warm vortex]

How’s the PvP looking for rogue

[woeful wigeon]

sounds stupid but i am still oom

always oom

[trim cairn]

Don't force it you arent really GCD locked as assa

[hollow river]

thats kinda how assa plays yeah

[warped moon]

you drop it at 80 if you need the energy

[warm vortex]

Yea
Assa isn’t the type were you mash buttons

[warped moon]

but sometimes you dont

[rugged basalt]

It’s a little energy regen we are mainly energy starved overall

[warm vortex]

Which i wanna check
Do you just slightly pool or is it worth devouring all 3 charges of tea

[hollow river]

assa and outlaw are practically dead nonexistent specs now

[warm vortex]

And also I’m assuming you still full send everything and just mash as hard as you can in your DM window

[rugged basalt]

How’s sub post gutting

[trim cairn]

Why wouldnt you unless you are saving it for KB?

[woeful wigeon]

that why i need a visiual from someone else so i can see if iam going way to fast or not fast enuff whole pooling ect

[warped moon]

what is kb im old

kingsbane?

[trim cairn]

Kingsbane

[warm vortex]

By that I mean
I assume you want the energy regen in kingsbane

So you drop it just before KB

[trim cairn]

Yea

[rugged basalt]

Dropping implac lines up with rupture renewal for me a lot of the time

[hollow river]

still seems "okay enough"

[warm vortex]

Yea this

[warped moon]

thats what i mean is theres times when you donand times when you dont

[rugged basalt]

Si

[warm vortex]

I’m too used to the envenom giga spam in aoe

[trim cairn]

I might be dumb but I just use a cancelaura macro envenom whenever I am at 80 to maximize the energy gain without losing uptime on envenom

[warm vortex]

FoK enven FoK enven FoK enven

[rugged basalt]

Ct env ct env ct env

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEWPq2aWIAAJsKp.webp

[warm vortex]

Nah ct still feels kinda strange to me

I’m used to it being a finisher not a builder

[rugged basalt]

I have no object permanence

[warped moon]

i just like daggers

[warm vortex]

Me too

But I’m not maining rogue this tier

[trim cairn]

Real fun with CD's up, and nearly no dps loss if you go afk between SD windows

[rugged basalt]

Rogue is all I play

[warped moon]

if a rogue isnt using daggers............

[rugged basalt]

I see I see

[warped moon]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-wahlberg-smh-shake-head-no-nope-gif-17582268

[warm vortex]

Yea that’s right

Rat pack

BIS pet

[rugged basalt]

Cute kitty

[warped moon]

thats cute

[rugged basalt]

Umm FAHHHHH

[hollow river]

You guys don’t mog swords?

[warm vortex]

But yea I legit stole our rogues daggers first raid

[rugged basalt]

I use baguette. Both hands

[warped moon]

daggers only!

[rugged basalt]

🥖

[warped moon]

the daggers these days are sword sized anyway haha

[hollow river]

Stinky survival hunters

Can’t believe they made y’all able to steal our stuffs

[warm vortex]

Axes

[warm vortex]

Deserved for playing rogue ngl

[hollow river]

Nuh uh

[woeful wigeon]

can any give me like a coaching then ? if poss guide on youtube are so unclear tbh

[warm vortex]

Uh huh!

[rugged basalt]

What exactly is your confusion

If you have energy, keep attacking
If you’re low on energy, you can let the 80 stacks expire and you get some energy back

[woeful wigeon]

is it normal you not always getting these stacks

[rugged basalt]

You always get them, default CDM sometimes fails to track them because of overlapping buffs

[woeful wigeon]

i am using that wa thing wheird name who track it

that one

when the 80stack drop off yeah 4sec debuff ?

that i cant use any skill ?

[subtle tundra]

ewww what a loser

ayije

eww

dont forget to sub to his patreon

[crisp pine]

things are getting heated in the cdm fandom

[woeful wigeon]

well it track the buffs

varas go make one then i will give it a try

[crisp pine]

Apex Talent Tracking is bugged

[hollow river]

I don’t think any CDM addons can properly track it

[crisp pine]

you still get the stacks, they just don't show

[hollow river]

[crisp pine]

Gotta count to 5

or you move your buff bar right above your character smile

[hollow river]

It will show sometimes, but disappear most of the time

[rugged basalt]

People use hacky workarounds or just deal with it disappearing

It’s not game breaking

[real pike]

yooooo I got mythic feather this means I can drop heroic cringebox right???

[crisp pine]

you can do what you want brother

I don't even wear trinkets at all

[rugged basalt]

You are using envenom without 5 combo points

At least that’s what I think

[woeful wigeon]

or do i env to fast ?

here you see the buff one it show then dusnt anymore for x amount of time

on 5 dummy's

[crisp pine]

if you envenom while the energy reg is active it doesn't track anymore

you can just ignore it

If you absolutely need to track it through your cdm you need to wait until the energy reg is done with your next envenom

[mental slate]

did assa overtake sub in every key now?

[crisp pine]

Yes, if you spec sub your char gets deleted

it's fucked up tbh but what can we do

[woeful wigeon]

so the env spams i did wasnt bad then ? or to fast ?

[strange onyx]

What a weird way to come out as colorblind

[crisp pine]

as long as you use env with 5+ combo points and you're not running out of energy you're fine

[real pike]

!Sudden Demise

[crisp pine]

what you looking for bud

[strange onyx]

Sudden Demise is currently bugged and will contribute all current DoTs on the target from all classes and count them as bleeds. Making the execute threshold A LOT bigger than it should be. The current move is now to play Sudden Demise in all content.

[wild ledge]

nice to see some rogue excitement for a change, i put off levelling my rogue as M+ is my main content, but levelling now, hoping the Assa buffs make it a bit more relevant 🙂

[crisp pine]

holy fuck I love Rend

[strange onyx]

Once I got time later today I can walk you through it on voice

[proper moon]

how good are those rings for assa? not in bis but i saw top m+ ppl playing it

[strange onyx]

They are good, free damage is free

[real pike]

set bonus is <1% iirc

nice stats tho

[frosty cedar]

Yee it's like 0.7% for me, very good , like 600 DPS

[woeful wigeon]

awsome i am just away betuin 13h40-16h30 paris time

[grim jay]

[sullen bramble]

How do we feel after our buff?

[warm vortex]

What the fuck

Was that actually necessary

Damn

[grim jay]

Get f'ed

[grim jay]

Stronger

[strange onyx]

That mog hella not it

[warm vortex]

I mean it's probably not even that bad

[warm vortex]

You are genuinly the first person i've seen that says they dislike it

[grim jay]

It isnt, but its also not puzzlebox

And you cant enjoy puzzlebox if you dont use it

[warm vortex]

True

this isn't my main either way

I'mma check how much feather sims compared to puzzle box
as in
mythic max feather vs hero max puzzle

[grim jay]

Personally its alright, kinda looks like some ancient tribe fury warrior

[warm vortex]

SV hunter btw

[strange onyx]

I am the first person to be honest with you

[warm vortex]

not a rogue mog

[strange onyx]

Send full mog in better light

[warm vortex]

I can't get good light for mogs

OMg i think puzzlebox sims higher

fmlk

[grim jay]

Atleast you can save some crests!

[strange onyx]

Just show me the mog then coward

[warm vortex]

arew you gucking kidding me

full upgraded feather

sims like 1.7% below box

[true tusk]

yo mates, the diff on dps using puzzle box 269 and solarflare prism 276 its only 1k in my case (st and aoe, same diff)

but in some pulls the cast its to long and im wasting time

[dire flume]

thats like 5 damage just dont use it :)

[true tusk]

in real scenarios i think its better solarflare, what do you think?

[dire flume]

tbf using it this past week has been the worst thing in the world because the affix fucks up the timings since it reduces ability cd's but not item cd's so everything got so offset

[warm vortex]

puzzlebox is insane and the downside isn't big ngl

You stand still for 2 seconds every 2 minutes

[dire flume]

i think on assa its not too bad since afking is built into the kit anyway for implaccable

but

on any other spec that box can get fuck

[warm vortex]

I mean on both of my agil characters it's fine

sv hunter doesn't feel bad with it especially with how obscene the mastery bomb is

[subtle tundra]

if you have a problem with box

[runic hinge]

The downside is me calling “I’m doing a rubix cube!” To let my healer know I will definitely be standing in a swirly

[subtle tundra]

you should grow a huge pair

and love yourself

promotes thinking for the unga bunga melees

i know its hard

[rugged basalt]

Of what

[subtle tundra]

and to people who say it feels bad? DOES IT? I KNOW ILL PUMP ONCE I SOLVE THIS PUZZLE THE MOBS ARE SO DONE ITS SO OVER

[grim jay]

Feet

[subtle tundra]

feet 🤤

[rugged basalt]

They should make us play tic tac toe during the puzzle solve

Or count feet on the screen…

Just spit ballin..

[dire flume]

it would actually be better if you pressed it and you got that wire puzzle thing

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/hellraiser-gif-13208814

[rugged basalt]

Or the ret pally version of spot the odd one out

[dire flume]

press puzzle box and this thing comes up

holy

s tier

[subtle tundra]

cloak puzzle box

part of the rota

[obtuse ruin]

they should make having intellect stat reduces puzzlebox cast time

ill wear int dagger offhand

[dire flume]

"sorry guys i couldnt kick that netherburst bc i got shit rng on the puzzle bare with"

[true tusk]

Exactly

[rugged basalt]

If I die to mechs I just say I was boxing

[analog field]

I griefed a 14 yesterday with puzzlebox

I thought I was out of the aoe but I was in fact not

[rugged basalt]

Took me a long time to learn about stairs in tww

[grim jay]

I mean

One might say its the S word

And not the trinket

[true tusk]

Either way, in sims it was only like a 1k DPS difference, and in reality you don’t even notice it. The only thing I do notice is that whenever I think I’m “safe” to solve the puzzle box, something randomly shows up and screws me over lmao 😆

At least in my case with puzzle box champion and solarflame prism hero, seems like its not worth it

[grim jay]

Idk 1k kinda is much

Also just gets higher for bigger pulls

[errant sinew]

what buff we picking in aa?

[true tusk]

Crit, black flag

[errant sinew]

ty

[still pewter]

Why plume simming shit for me 🤔

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d2LKtd29gDpRmXceCVxUG9

[hollow talon]

how is our boss damage with m+ ass build

is it like tww

[severe meadow]

No it’s much better

[rugged basalt]

Because…you have alnseer?

[severe meadow]

I wouldn’t say that’s “shit”, but gaze is just better

[solar cosmos]

also plume simmed on same ilvl as alnseer, sim plume with max ilvl

[edgy trellis]

should I prio heroic alnseer on myth gear ?

[oblique flume]

with the buffes we get, is sin can be better for some runs instead of sub ?

[shy axle]

do you even bother with the "cleave" raid spec on bosses like imperator, chimaerus or salhadaar ? Iirc we lose very little st dmg between the pure st build and the ct st one, but how do you play it on those bosses with fast dying adds? just oh okay, some add, ct once or twice ?

[rugged basalt]

I think it varies when you step into mythic

[west crown]

Are the only optimizations implacable and imp garrote for raid? Feels like I’m missing something

[rugged basalt]

I’ve always run cleave on imperator and dreamrift though.

[shy axle]

anyone knows the %difference between pure st and ct-st build?

[rugged basalt]

I believe that should be simmable

Run top gear and just select both talents

[strange onyx]

3 - 5% on my napkin math

[golden loom]

I guess we take salhadar neck...

[strange onyx]

Ye or trink

[golden loom]

you mean the downgrade?

[jovial idol]

Is Assa the GOAT now for keys?

[crisp pine]

I think Aug is pretty good

[jovial idol]

from rogue specs

or wait, is there a new Aug rogue]

[severe meadow]

It’s probably top 3 rogue specs

In there somewhere

[crisp pine]

god I wish

Bard rogue support when

[jovial idol]

I wanted ranged Assassin rogue

[proper moon]

is it bis if im not planning to get ring from last mythic boss? this or myth level dagger from m+

[rugged basalt]

Survival rogue, marksman rogue

[jovial idol]

Ye with like throwing poisoned weapons

Can be like Devourer range

Crimsom tempest, bleeds and throwable knives

[astral pine]

rework sub into a literal thief, steals the bosses stats and shares them with the group

[jovial idol]

and outlaw gets taken to jail

[real pike]

wait did they make Gear Compare sims slowmode only????

[strange onyx]

Yeah. Play double passive

Its more chill

Or feather and drop puzzle box

[viscid spear]

The concept of Devourer DH brings hope.

• change Subtlety to a caster spec like Devourer
  Or
• change Assassination to a sniper ranged spec using guns/bows

[short sparrow]

hi, did any1 tested new changed?

[strange onyx]

Ye

[golden loom]

im not trying to chill !

thats why I grabbed da neck

[strange onyx]

That’s chill as all hell big ups

[severe meadow]

Five big booms for this

We puzzleboxmaxxing out here

[viscid spear]

Neck is my only Champ piece remaining

[severe meadow]

Both of my rings are champion

[calm grail]

Do you pop potion before box or after before sending mark/kb?

[tawny geyser]

Just macro the pot in DM 😛

[calm grail]

Also, on bosses where there is potential cleave, aside from vanguard, are you just passively praying for caustic spatter damage you're not actually sending finishers at adds right?

[viscid spear]

[calm grail]

I'm thinking like dragons and averzion. Are you just hitting the primary target and any spatter damage is icing?

[viscid aurora]

Is it worth to craft those special necks/rings ?

[royal hazel]

!stat

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[plain thistle]

sim it, if you have myth pieces where you can spend crests on it can be better to just upgrade those

good pieces*

[heady drum]

thoughts on this neck for assa? do we have any shadow damage even

[sweet gull]

how are the buffs feeling lads

[golden loom]

fatebound does cosmic which is shadow

and ds does plague which is shadow

[heady drum]

thanks!

[edgy trellis]

uh Heroic alsneer or myth set

[strange onyx]

Nobody responded that’s not nice!

Yes just hit main target

[strange onyx]

Main stat not gonna make you solve the cast bar faster. Surely you wanna pot when you are actively sending finishers

[slate nest]

guys how are we looking in m+ vs Sub atm?

[next dust]

prism 276 over 263 gaze yay or nay?

[static glacier]

Better prio, worse raw aoe I’d say for 12s and below. Will have to see how it’s looking after the buffs, I think it’s looking good for sin imo

[slate nest]

yea i meant after the buffs

[static glacier]

Sorry homie I’ve been at work today (eu) so I’ll refrain from talking on stuff I’m not sure about

[zinc frost]

Normally id say sim, but id imagine gaze is better. Sim anyways

[meager latch]

Is there a certain point where we don't want to go over in crit, haste or mastery?

[zinc frost]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[meager latch]

Thank you @zinc frost

[strange onyx]

You gonna get HC gaze at some point?

[strange onyx]

Sin better for high keys, low keys / weeklies you can play whatever you want. Community perception will move to assa is better

[next dust]

mythic even

but when

[strange onyx]

Take prism

[shy axle]

what makes sin better for highkeys? st/prio and execute + stuff lives long or something else

[strange onyx]

Yup

[warm vortex]

It's weird seeing mastery so low

Ngl

Crit and haste makes sense though :D

[coral pivot]

Mastery gains more value in AOE

[warm vortex]

Yea

I mean real talk

best play is to plug anything into sims and see what comes out

but i remember it being Mastery and crit Goat
Then haste was good in aoe

[static glacier]

Biggest point against it imo is the apex talent

It’s a lot of artificial mastery, envenom dmg - mastery, extra bleed and poison dmg - mastery

[lime edge]

Mastery is the worst one out of the 3

[earnest imp]

I still dont understand how some assa rogues are running like 40% mastery in m+, my dungeon slice is basically saying no to mastery constantly

[static glacier]

So what happens when you juice the spec with mastery that’s not called mastery, the other stats, it’s multipliers become better

[static glacier]

Dslice is more st focused than actual dungeons

[royal lantern]

eh, its still assa

aka "low" means "who cares lol"

[earnest imp]

Is there a sim to run for proper aoe?

couldnt see one in the selection

[royal lantern]

whats proper aoe

[earnest imp]

idk, doing proper m16-18 pulls

[royal lantern]

dslice is what it says, a slice of a dungeon

[hazy sundial]

Casualaddict values mastery higher than haste. All his crafted gear is crit/mastery

[lime edge]

Even at like 800 crit, my Sims tell me to get more crit

[earnest imp]

the fuck do i know, 10-18 mobs

[royal lantern]

aka average 5min, ~2min of that is a boss fight

[static glacier]

You could run patchwerk x number of targets, you could try mdt sims but they’re of limited value imo

[warm vortex]

Wonder, any benefit tto using an MDT route sim over dslice

[static glacier]

I suspect rogues running tons of mastery are just using sub gear or care more for non st dmg would be my guess

[earnest imp]

Feels weird to run mastery not based on sims

@keen mantle reveal your tools

[uneven copper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m4fw4rQ1nxzf62dYXrFCE7

VS

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/74DqUZGnccvwfx6R5mZiLe

The first is a champion trinket, the 2nd is a hero trinket.

Ilvl is important for invites i guess, but do the small amount of dps really make it a deal breaker? 🙂