Sure fair, on some mobs absolutely
#assassination
spice spire
Caustic exists
gilded oasis
wym our aoe is cleave off a single target
zealous moth
Caustic exists
i was about to say this
burnt ember
But even in high keys there are many pulls where nothing is dangerous enough to bother focusing on
zealous moth
caustic spatter exists
zealous moth
you are increasing poison dps with dm
gilded oasis
just pick the bro that looked at you funny and DM it
zealous moth
which directly increases your cs damage
coral ibex
i mean it sounds like you just kinda dont get it, like in a general sense
and by it i mean how to do damage in a dungeon
spice spire
just pick the bro that looked at you funny and DM it
I can’t pick you queen
burnt ember
wym our aoe is cleave off a single target
Right but you know that’s not the point, you are cleaving off of multiple instances of different single targets that die in seconds
burnt ember
and by it i mean how to do damage in a dungeon
Lmao that’s so absurd
coral ibex
you dont want one fat guy to remain after all the shitters die
zealous moth
Right but you know that’s not the point, you are cleaving off of multiple instan...
i mean if you are DMing an add with 1m health then sure
dm didnt do anything
gilded oasis
you dont want one fat guy to remain after all the shitters die
I do, bring back bolster
zealous moth
but why would you do that when you can hit a target with 6m+ health
burnt ember
In most every level of m+
mellow oriole
coral ibex
no
zealous moth
no
coral ibex
you should be sending cds on cd unless you your target will die early
if a dungeon lasts 25 minutes you should have cast DM 13 times
gilded oasis
or save them all for the next dungeon I guess
zealous moth
if a dungeon lasts 25 minutes you should have cast DM 13 times
^
dm is 16 seconds, do you think your target will die in less than that?
if yes, save
or swap target
spice spire
or save them all for the next dungeon I guess
So real
zealous moth
if no, send full cds
burnt ember
and by it i mean how to do damage in a dungeon
There’s another reason this is the most bananas take. If you’re specifically cleaving off of one single target and not switching targets based on moving around mechanics your dps is bad I promise.
zealous moth
what
burnt ember
That’s why deathstalker doesn’t fit
zealous moth
in what dungeon are you swapping targets because of mechanics?
burnt ember
You should always be tabbing based on mob proximity
haughty flicker
zealous moth
Tabbing
burnt ember
Unless you’re deathstalker
gilded oasis
idk im always in range of my target
zealous moth
ok now i know this is bait
coral ibex
bro HATES amplifying poison procs
burnt ember
In which case you have to attack one thing
haughty flicker
im glad i looked in here
burnt ember
bro HATES amplifying poison procs
Another reason ‘sin isn’t designed well rn
haughty flicker
this is a banger
gilded oasis
I just stand in the corner and throw dagger honestly
zealous moth
very based
gilded oasis
tab, throw dagger, tab throw dagger, tab, throw dagger
zealous moth
throw knife insane ToT value
spice spire
im glad i looked in here
Miss us king
golden loom
I mean havoc DH is badly designed cause you chaos strike (a single target spell) like 10 times in a row even in aoe! (Ignore all the aoe stuff you also do)
coral ibex
arcane mage did nothing except cleave off a single target for all of TWW and it was one of the best specs the entire time
burnt ember
I’m imagining all of you just missing uptime because your 7th bad tank of the day doesn’t know how to not pull mobs away from you and into puddles, forcing you to tab to something in range while you’re out of the puddle
golden loom
Cloak and stand in the puddle 
burnt ember
Cloak and stand in the puddle <:garf:1320173032743899157>
This is the way
gilded oasis
just play with a tank with half a brain cell
burnt ember
just play with a tank with half a brain cell
Yes because a good spec is designed around needing other people to play perfectly for it not to suck
haughty flicker
what you're describing isnt needing perfect play lmao
golden loom
Idk what melee class does well if the tank has the pack inside of an inferno?
gilded oasis
only top 1% of m+ers do that
haughty flicker
Idk what melee class does well if the tank has the pack inside of an inferno?
uhdk 
zealous moth
literally only scenario where i stand still doing nothing is when tank valeera is holding a single add in fire
golden loom
uhdk <:POGGIES:1394398840517300316>
Oh yeah sorry I forgot thanos with the infinity gauntlet
gilded oasis
literally only scenario where i stand still doing nothing is when tank valeera i...
shes the worst
zealous moth
otherwise, not an issue i have ran into
burnt ember
Idk what melee class does well if the tank has the pack inside of an inferno?
This is true and correct. I’m just saying deathstalker doesn’t do well in contingency situations and wasn’t designed for the state of the current game and I got shit on. 😅 Even though that seems obvious to me if you’ve ever done m+.
spice surge
?
spice surge
Deathstalker isnt played because the numbers are low
It was played literally all of tww
burnt ember
Oh I’m not playing DS. It sucks both in numbers and in playstyle. FB is way better. I just think buffing DS’s numbers is silly when it needs a rework.
haughty flicker
yah get on Facebook
zealous moth
it didnt get buffed tho
waxen oyster
.....what
zealous moth
did it?
burnt ember
I’m mad about the 0.5 changes not going far enough
waxen oyster
DS was fine in keys
burnt ember
In 0.5*
waxen oyster
i literally played it two entire seasons
golden loom
Assa, arcane and havoc were all super good specs in season 3 cause they were all funnel specs
Literally designed to kill 1 target
south zinc
I’m new to assassination rogue, when it comes to pooling, is there any sort of gauge as to when you should? Is it just when kingsbane is coming back off cd?
burnt ember
i literally played it two entire seasons
I did too in TWW and it was good, I just think the design sucks is all. That’s my only point.
sacred oyster
i literally played it two entire seasons
you missed context of the chat, they were saying DS was fine in TWW, iits just not now
waxen oyster
yeah they just tuned it lower
golden loom
I mean yeah sure the design of ds is bad I can give you that
waxen oyster
the only design flaw of ds as if mark was on a target than went immune
gilded oasis
or friendly
burnt ember
Yeah like my only point here is that it needs reworked because like funneling in melee is a lil bit ❓ in a lot of m+ and raid situations
waxen oyster
funneling is literally fine
golden loom
Yeah that point I dont get
zealous moth
i mean if you go to wowhead the first thing you will see when checking the talents is that you prefer going fb for dungeons because of the improved qol over the absolute miniscule dps gain that ds could provide
waxen oyster
the problem was you'd lose mark if the target became non hittable
spice spire
Funneling is how packs die at the same time
golden loom
Most packs in m+ have an important target to kill
zealous moth
that still has nothing to do with what you were saying about dm
spice spire
Otherwise you’d have one fatty left in several packs
golden loom
And then you can bring the rest of the shitters to the next pack
spice spire
And 0 damage for it
golden loom
Chaining is good
waxen oyster
the ret paladin asking you to look at details
burnt ember
that still has nothing to do with what you were saying about dm
Y’know since I was saying it I think it does, but maybe that’s my bias 😅
waxen oyster
as he pads on little slimes before blight of galakrond
zealous moth
Y’know since I was saying it I think it does, but maybe that’s my bias 😅
hero tree has nothing to do with dm tho
other than maybe dm flips 2 coins or some shit like that
south zinc
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve...
You rule, thanks
zealous moth
maybe i lost the plot at some point
waxen oyster
like if ds compensated you for your mark target going immune
gilded oasis
You rule, thanks
hopefully that gives you what you are looking for, if not, feel free to ask anothr question
waxen oyster
the hero tree is literally fine
gilded oasis
maybe i lost the plot at some point
we all lost the plot
south zinc
hopefully that gives you what you are looking for, if not, feel free to ask anot...
No that makes sense, once the buff is maxed, let Envenom fall off if you’re not capped on energy
golden loom
Or just make garroting a target without a mark apply the mark -> solved hero talent
zealous moth
should be getting DN if target becomes immune for whatever reason
gilded oasis
No that makes sense, once the buff is maxed, let Envenom fall off if you’re not ...
ok! perfect!
waxen oyster
yeah again the design of the hero talent is fine
just losing your mark to outside factors is giga stupid
burnt ember
And then you can bring the rest of the shitters to the next pack
That’s true in a lot of situations but I’ve found, at least in this m+ pool, there seem to be fewer situations where it’s totally necessary. I was testing DS with ‘sin earlier this season on some 12s and honestly things died so evenly most of the time that deathmark ends up just feeling irrelevant in practice.
zealous moth
Or just make garroting a target without a mark apply the mark -> solved hero tal...
blizzard said
south zinc
ok! perfect!
Now the fun part of tracking it 🆘
gilded oasis
Now the fun part of tracking it 🆘
yeah gl, its mostly bugged
burnt ember
blizzard said
20 seconds lord
tight ginkgo
Sniping low health adds for Mark Maxing?
gilded oasis
yeah gl, its mostly bugged
imagine having 2 different spell ids & names or something. its crazy, I know
zealous moth
That’s true in a lot of situations but I’ve found, at least in this m+ pool, the...
ds was always badly designed
subtle tundra
Or just make garroting a target without a mark apply the mark -> solved hero tal...
top 1 dumbest things youve tope ever
golden loom
Idk if you mean deathmark the 2 min cd or deathstalkers mark if I am being honest
golden loom
top 1 dumbest things youve tope ever
Bro said tope
waxen oyster
Ok riddle me this
zealous moth
but for most of tww fb was unplayable for ass
waxen oyster
how is fatebound designed well
gilded oasis
Or just make garroting a target without a mark apply the mark -> solved hero tal...
what happens when you ct?
burnt ember
Idk if you mean deathmark the 2 min cd or deathstalkers mark if I am being hones...
Deathstalkers mark my bad
waxen oyster
its literally just a passive tree
burnt ember
Good catch
subtle tundra
tope, the past tense of type
subtle tundra
bro dont know basic england
burnt ember
but for most of tww fb was unplayable for ass
You right. That’s all I’m saying, I just think it needs a rework and not a buff to potentially force us to play it.
golden loom
what happens when you ct?
If you are targeting something with a mark, nothing, if you aren't targeting something idk maybe server explodes
waxen oyster
it just simmed lower
tight ginkgo
fatebound is the most uninteractive hero tree
sure but otoh i flippa coin 
golden loom
"using garotte on your active target applies a mark etc etc bam boom"
chilly horizon
is there an addon or weakaura for envenom stack tracking?
gilded oasis
is there an addon or weakaura for envenom stack tracking?
default cool down manager or any CDM addon
golden loom
Fatebound coinflip sounds are great tho @waxen oyster
waxen oyster
fatebound was literally barebones sin except your finishers sometimes procced more damage
or gave you a damage amp
frosty cedar
is there an addon or weakaura for envenom stack tracking?
no, you can use CDM but it only works sometimes
burnt ember
"using garotte on your active target applies a mark etc etc bam boom"
“Targets with garrote and rupture applied to them are marked for death, increasing envenom damage by _______.”
waxen oyster
Fatebound coinflip sounds are great tho <@852094292977516555>
yeah but saying fatebound is a great designed tree
is the biggest cope
golden loom
Ye true idk what it even is tbh, cosmic gambler?
zealous moth
i mean thats a bit of a weird takeaway
golden loom
When I could be thor
zealous moth
i dont think anyone said it was greatly designed
i just said ds is badly designed
fb is boring
waxen oyster
from mark being lost if a mob went immune
zealous moth
ds is annoying because the mark is not a buff on us
waxen oyster
that was the sole reason
burnt ember
fb is boring
But I’d rather something be boring than actively migraine inducing
So I agree
waxen oyster
like assa focusing a mark target
isnt bad
random losing your mark due to immune shenanigans however
zealous moth
or at least it gets removed
real pike
fb is boring
even moreso this xpac
waxen oyster
yeah but i dont count bugs as design
real pike
I'm deffo gonna give DS a whirl in m+
burnt ember
yeah but i dont count bugs as design
I think we should though for sure. They’re a central part of design.
zealous moth
and their bandaid is "heres a button that moves it, go fuck yourself"
waxen oyster
Why do you need to constantly move it
real pike
the mark thing is really overstated imo
zealous moth
not constantly
real pike
it's really not that bad
waxen oyster
its really not that bad
real pike
its really not that bad
yo
zealous moth
but why do we need it to be on the target tho
gilded oasis
Why do you need to constantly move it
cause the mob might be in a puddle and you can't reach it
zealous moth
like what would be the big gamebreaking upside to just having it be a buff on us
instead of a debuff on an enemy
real pike
cause the mob might be in a puddle and you can't reach it
ok?
zealous moth
FB can already target whatever tf you want
real pike
so use the 20 sec cooldown or press cloak or deal with it
that's literally the challenge
zealous moth
why cant ds do that too?
waxen oyster
i mean assa being a dot spec means you cant as readily swap to another target
gilded oasis
forgot my /s sorry
waxen oyster
the way sub can either
golden loom
Yeah I mean I thought it was fine during tww when you were able to for example vanish ambush to move the mark, only being able to move it with darkest night is horrid imo
zealous moth
they gave us a button that spreads cleaves
zealous moth
with fb you drop garrote rupture ct ct ct and now you can hit whatever you want without a downside
golden loom
Cause its not like you can vanish garrote or anything similar
zealous moth
like you cant readily swap anyway when you need to dot up a new target
but you dont really need to
just press ct until your new target gets the bleeds from other adds
golden loom
For example if you went into mugzee cage you could vanish ambush to mark the gaol target
zealous moth
youre missing the point tho
waxen oyster
For example if you went into mugzee cage you could vanish ambush to mark the gao...
yeah i did this
golden loom
Now you would have to hold DN in that situation
waxen oyster
zealous moth
with DS you are forced to hit the target with dsm
if you want to swap target you need to either kill it or consume the 3 stacks
shell kraken
Has anyone tried Potion of Recklessness?
zealous moth
which limits the speed at which you can swap targets
burnt ember
No one is saying you’re hitting an undotted mob. They are saying there’s many situations where funneling is maybe not always the best strategy based on a wide variety of circumstances, and DS forces you to do it, making it feel bad in those wide variety of circumstances.
zealous moth
adding the fact that you need to dot the new target anyway
FB doesnt have that
so you just have to worry about dots
waxen oyster
fb doesnt have anything
zealous moth
like, your question is valid
waxen oyster
its just passive damage
zealous moth
it still applies to DS as well
shell kraken
"Losing 213 of your lowest stats", but I currently only have 54 vers - will I go negative?
burnt ember
fb doesnt have anything
Yes, which we prefer to actively frustrating design
golden loom
Like okay nightmare scenario, play DS on chimeras
burnt ember
I would prefer nothing to DS.
waxen oyster
idk my only gripe to DS is removing the ability to move it
golden loom
But now imagine you could just move the mark with garrote
burnt ember
But now imagine you could just move the mark with garrote
Honestly this is a lit solution but I’m down to change it even further to just be a tree that adds spell interactions to fully dotted mobs 🤷♂️
golden loom
No
zealous moth
oh yeah because of stratagem
waxen oyster
you sent 4 when it was 5 max
real pike
Like okay nightmare scenario, play DS on chimeras <:garf:1320173032743899157>
this really isn't that bad ngl
like you just have to see what's about to happen in the fight
zealous moth
but if the damage gain is the same per combo point, there is no point to spend a set ammount
real pike
and time your Darkest Night
waxen oyster
I mean there's alot of things i disagree with.
real pike
I like the challenge of doing it
zealous moth
just builder > spender > builder > spender
waxen oyster
IC just makes assa way too easy
golden loom
and time your Darkest Night
Yeah and then the mob gets nuked and sent up before you get DN back
And you have to wait for it to die
zealous moth
Yeah and then the mob gets nuked and sent up before you get DN back
^^^^
you know what would solve this issue forever?
real pike
Yeah and then the mob gets nuked and sent up before you get DN back
yeah so you've misplayed, use your 20 sec cooldown or play better
zealous moth
making DSM a buff on us
golden loom
We dont have it yet?
waxen oyster
they really should just refund you DN
real pike
so we're discussing the iteration of a spec that is going to be changed drastically imminently
waxen oyster
in that scenario
real pike
what's the point of that
golden loom
Also the ability isnt gonna be used to move the mark
Its gonna be used to snipe shitter mobs for DN
zealous moth
yup
real pike
well that's a decision
that's good, it allows for dynamic decision making and skill expression instead of just following a script
I like it
zealous moth
i mean
they literally dumbed down all specs to make them easier to play
that would go against their current design
zealous moth
true
golden loom
Off the gcd ranged ability so you can just mouseover an orb on vaelgoer and then darkest night the boss
zealous moth
that's good, it allows for dynamic decision making and skill expression instead ...
i mean i do agree with this but
waxen oyster
Like honestly i kind of hate
zealous moth
dsm spent 3 seasons being bugged
zealous moth
just rip the bandaid and make it a buff
zealous moth
or instead of giving us another button, fully bake that functionality into garrote
the limitation of "as long as DN or DSM are not active" makes absolutely 0 sense
golden loom
Also singular focus not working with caustic for season 3 is a total failure
waxen oyster
Also singular focus not working with caustic for season 3 is a total failure
this was the main bug no?
zealous moth
it should only be if DSM is not active on the target
golden loom
this was the main bug no?
Yeah and momentum not working
zealous moth
we already spread bleeds with CT, so that makes no sense
golden loom
zealous moth
this was the main bug no?
and immune mobs
just losing your entire hero tree because
until you get vanish up
golden loom
There was also the envenoming a mob as it died to nuke your mark
zealous moth
ToP first boss
zealous moth
was there a council fight on s2?
golden loom
Did not touch ds outside of m+
zealous moth
oh, not a bug but
waxen oyster
There was also the envenoming a mob as it died to nuke your mark
i never encountered this
ngl....
zealous moth
flarendo and torq, if you didnt sync DSM with swap
you just lose it bc it stayed on the other boss
waxen oyster
?
golden loom
That was a great scenario for vanish ambush
waxen oyster
you just early swapped
golden loom
Cause you played vv and not imp garrote
waxen oyster
to the one you were going to
haughty flicker
ye that was just a vanish angle if you messed it up
waxen oyster
lol
zealous moth
yeah, thats what im saying
haughty flicker
until you mess it up then press ambush too early after vanish and it doesnt work
zealous moth
to avoid that, they tied dsm to garrote
waxen oyster
flarendo it was a non issue
zealous moth
but it still works exactly like vanish ambush
zealous moth
because you still cant swap it at will
zealous moth
unless you were just an idiot
agreed but
haughty flicker
i mean lets not pretend everyone plays perfectly 100% of the time
golden loom
No its not at all like vanish ambush
waxen oyster
and yeah vanish covered the few times you fucked up
golden loom
Currently if you have mark on flarendo there would be no way other than getting darkest night and using that on torq
haughty flicker
yeah now its just worse
golden loom
Or I guess letting mark expire and then garrote
waxen oyster
all you had to do was hit the guy you were swapping to early
zealous moth
exactly
haughty flicker
huge gaming
waxen oyster
golden loom
1 hour tricks
zealous moth
cleave gold +
golden loom
waxen oyster
you also cnat get parried
zealous moth
istg it feels like they were considering making ToT baseline 1hr
gilded oasis
if I can't get parried, what is even the point of the game
zealous moth
and just ran out of ideas for trickster
gilded oasis
I love being parried
haughty flicker
actually made it feel like rogue had a decent hero tree
golden loom
I love being parried
Its very thematic some would say!
real pike
they made this spec way too simplified
that is my opinion
like even in TWW I felt like DS was fun and FB too simple for my liking
and now FB is super dull and DS isn't played
they should either make one the raid spec and the other m+
or have it so DS has higher damage potential but only when played well, FB better otherwise
but having FB ahead in damage everywhere sucks imo
zealous moth
i mean isnt that the case for most specs?
real pike
isn't what
zealous moth
1 spec is best for all content because of tuning
golden loom
Fatebound was also unplayable for 2/3,5 patches its been out so far
real pike
Fatebound was also unplayable for 2/3,5 patches its been out so far
it was fine for casuals
signal karma
i swear sims must be somewhat inaccurate with some of this stuff, i can't see how fully upgraded heroic solarflare, the next best passive trinket besides alnseer, is simming .1% better than the champ renown trinket
golden loom
I mean so is ds now?
cedar crater
bois, am i going sin now or what?
zealous moth
like it looks like all specs are runing 1 hero tree for all contect because the other one is undertuned
real pike
I mean so is ds now?
yeah but casuals will play FB cause it's easier, it's the wrong way round
golden loom
like it looks like all specs are runing 1 hero tree for all contect because the ...
Warrior on top again for diversity
For both arms and fury
analog field
it was *fine* for casuals
What? It was literally unplayable. You had a capstone you could not activate
What do you mean fine?
zealous moth
Warrior on top again for diversity
i love warriors
they scream at me and i hit harder
analog field
Also the point is not to make simple specs or trees be worse than harder
The point they are trying to get to is have everything around the same DPS so you play what you like
signal karma
@balmy condor is there a quirk with the crucible trinket i'm not aware of with sims? this thing at champ sims within .1% of every single fully maxed hero trinket besides alnseer and puzzlebox, which seems incorrect
golden loom
Trinket is good
daring minnow
yeah but casuals will play FB cause it's easier, it's the wrong way round
casuals or casualaddicts?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8rNvDJGtCT1a2YKj?fight=12&type=summary&source=166
zealous moth
it is just stronk
big crit a lot of times for a lot of time
and also is a trinket you get from a quest
no rng involved
gilded oasis
what is life with no rng
spice surge
Yeah trinket is good
analog field
<@167090536602140682> is there a quirk with the crucible trinket i'm not aware o...
Isn't it also worse than plume?
My champ plume Sims higher than the renown one
on champion track even
zealous moth
Probably yeah
Depends on the trinket
Myth maxed solarflare prism simmed BARELY better than it for me today
700 dps gain
And it gives double the crit
But if you full upgrade the trink with the console it ends up giving almost the same crit value
signal karma
Isn't it also worse than plume?
it does, i'm just doing m+ gearing besides high rolling for alnseer so i forgot to mention it
zealous moth
Between amount/proc rate/uptime
signal karma
isn't the upgrades at the console pointless besides the 3 nodes that give the protocol buffs
real pike
casuals or casualaddicts?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8rNvDJGtCT1a2YKj?...
both, that's my point
real pike
What? It was literally unplayable. You had a capstone you could not activate
then my memory is worse than I thought 🙂 my bad
real pike
this
not sure how this is the case for most specs
you mean the easier hero talent is better?
signal karma
if not having campfires, a mount, and tower defense towers is lowering my dps this game has truly gone too far
tender condor
any changes to our rotation given the buffs the last few weeks?
analog field
then my memory is worse than I thought 🙂 my bad
It was rng if you get the buff
literally losing like 10% on the 50-50 or something
real pike
ok yeah that is very poor
think everyone can agree that the amount of time impactful bugs are left on rogue is extremely poor
I will try playing DS cause I find it more engaging, but I have to admit it really feelsbadman knowing that I'd be doing more damage on a much simpler hero tree
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> is there a quirk with the crucible trinket i'm not aware o...
Nope, it’s just that good
real pike
it's just common sense to me that the more complex and challenging spec should be higher reward
balmy condor
it's just common sense to me that the more complex and challenging spec should b...
In a single player game, sure
Can’t do that in a multiplayer game
sand elm
do u guys run caustic on beloren?
real pike
Can’t do that in a multiplayer game
says whom 🙁
maiden tapir
Do we slam kingsbane after one envenom ?
real pike
it was like that in early TWW and I thought it worked well
or like I said when DS was for m+ and FB was for raid
that was nice too
real pike
do u guys run caustic on beloren?
no
heavy sentinel
is sin better than sub yet i need to justify switching to my raid team
sacred oyster
just switch and dont say anything
coral ibex
its been better for everything except bursting aoe on shitters that die instantly
sacred oyster
way i see it, if the ads die so quick you cant even do anything to them, then you switching to them is a net negative, just stay on boss. If the ads are staying alive long enough and group is wiping because you didnt help kill them, then help. either way, if your outputting damage in a way that is helping the group win, it shouldnt matter.
dapper oracle
is sin better than sub yet i need to justify switching to my raid team
say it is and dont elaborate
heavy sentinel
say it is and dont elaborate
ahh just like my marriage got it
coral ibex
yea like what are they gonna say, they know rogue better than you?
you only need to be able to say like 2-3 smart sounding sentences that imply you know what you're talking about
and they'll just let you do whatever you want
shell plaza
subtle kiln
so not assa 
fallow canopy
Just say buzzwords like prio execute and timings
balmy condor
says whom 🙁
Says decades of game design
spice surge
In multiplayer games that effectively translates to the easier things being useless
balmy condor
Yeh
I hate to keep yapping about it but Maplestory has this problem as well because homogenization is way less there
There’s a legit 300 apm, animation cancelling character called blaster
haughty flicker
balmy condor
And the opposite is like bowmaster, you press cd macro and hold down a button
But they deal similar damage
Blaster is just insano hard to play
But it caters to a niche of players that want that gameplay and thematic
If you made blaster do crazy ass damage, you would just alienate 99% of the player base instantly because not playing blaster would mean you’re a shitter playing a dogshit class
real pike
In multiplayer games that effectively translates to the easier things being usel...
I see the point, but the alternative translates to the harder things being pointless
haughty flicker
mfw the point is fun
balmy condor
No, the alternative is harder thing can be enjoyed by people who want it
spice surge
Well no because some people find the harder things fun
Then both people can play together
balmy condor
See also: all the people bitching about sub being boring
cloud dune
I used to play sub
real pike
yeah but if you're playing competitively or at a relatively high level, it's gimping yourself to play the sub par choice
I don't think there's an easy answer
to be clear
cloud dune
I dont anymore because it's boring (:
real pike
I think it's really hard to get right either way
balmy condor
You’re not gimping yourself, that’s the point
haughty flicker
the point is the goal would be for them to be similar to each other regardless of difficulty
spice surge
See also: all the people bitching about sub being boring
I do find it very funny how some people seem to think assa is insano much harder than sub now
real pike
the point is the goal would be for them to be similar to each other regardless o...
even this would be fine, but atm FB clears DS from what I understand
haughty flicker
the path you want would exacerbate that issue by both intentionally tuning one spec ahead of the others, and making it harder so more people are alienated away from it
cloud dune
I'm also ok with rogue not being super top tier meta because it means we aren't swarmed with fotm players
spice surge
Theyre both just press button specs 
haughty flicker
balmy condor
Mental overhead or whatever
real pike
Says decades of game design
imo older online games were way more like harder = more throughput
haughty flicker
assa was always the hardest rogue spec confirmed
bleak star
hows the buffs today
balmy condor
imo older online games were way more like harder = more throughput
Yes and they learned from that
It’s the same way blizzard doesn’t tune the game around mythic
Or liquid
real pike
yeah ofc I appreciate the game has to stay popular, profitable, etc
balmy condor
Yeh, it’s not corporate really
It’s just how you have to do things for the game to function
real pike
lol what
ofc everything is corporate these days
especially with massive studios like Actiblizz
balmy condor
Corporate doesn’t care if bm hunter is the best spec
Or how big the gap is between fb and ds
real pike
I genuinely think corporate 100% cares that the more popular specs are better or at least not dog
real pike
Or how big the gap is between fb and ds
not this agreed
those guys are measured HARD on player count, retention, all the usual business metrics
it's a different world up the top
balmy condor
I genuinely think corporate 100% cares that the more popular specs are better or...
Then why is bm hunter the worst hunter spec and ret has been kinda shit for like 3 years
balmy condor
Okay
haughty flicker
ret was really good for like a patch and a half post rework and ever since then people act like it was always a great spec
ignoring the fact that being mid was the best they could hope for like a decade previous to that
despite being one of the most popular specs in the game
balmy condor
By your own argument earlier though it feels like if they’re not the best, they’re unplayable
So idk
Like Hunter has a better ranged spec and a better melee spec
final geode
should we all be playing assassination for our main m+ specs now
real pike
If you made blaster do crazy ass damage, you would just alienate 99% of the play...
I think the thing with this comparison is that wow has different classes right, so what would be the issue with some/most classes being simpler spec = better and have a couple of classes where the complicated version is more rewarding
balmy condor
I mean depending on the patch, that happens yes
real pike
By your own argument earlier though it feels like if they’re not the best, they’...
I get why you'd think that from what I've said, and yeah this convo is making me see things in a different way
balmy condor
But that’s not like a stated goal
real pike
that's why I come here to have these debates
balmy condor
Like imagine if you decided to play a rogue
Sub was harder
And rogue happened to be a class where harder = better
Why would as a new rogue ever bother learning assa or outlaw
It’s not viable
And considered bad
real pike
well by your logic because it's fun
it fills a niche
that's what you were saying no
because people enjoy it?
balmy condor
And rogue happened to be a class where harder = better
Correct, and by logic ^ this wouldn’t happen
Because that would collapse the rogue fun
balmy condor
I think the thing with this comparison is that wow has different classes right, ...
That’s the problem with this
haughty flicker
you can choose to learn and play the spec you enjoy because they arent intentionally tuning one to always be better than others
the way you're wanting, that simply isnt a choice
because one spec would always be tuned to be better
balmy condor
Like no matter how you try and get around it, if you reward difficulty, you eliminate people that want to one trick
I wouldn’t be able to one trick assa
real pike
I think my feelings are definitely fuelled by an old man shouts at clouds view I have on gaming in general, that gaming is become more simplified, homogenised, and less rewarding in general
balmy condor
The feral mains couldn’t one trick melee druid
real pike
skill gaps are being reduced and stabalisers everywhere
balmy condor
I think my feelings are definitely fuelled by an old man shouts at clouds view I...
I think that still exists
It’s just not the big popular games
Because it can’t be
mystic urchin
how do you sim assasination, my sims seem so wrong. 75k dps on 2 target boss for 5 minutes seems kinda low for ilvl 240 no?
balmy condor
But even something like binding of Isaac has that
balmy condor
how do you sim assasination, my sims seem so wrong. 75k dps on 2 target boss for...
240? That sounds about right
I’m simming like 114? At 274
You’re 34 ilvl down
That’s a massive drop
vocal basalt
I think my feelings are definitely fuelled by an old man shouts at clouds view I...
Simplification in itself isn't an inherently bad thing. That's what makes games like Bloodborne so great in my eyes.
mystic urchin
How come Assa is so ass? Its worse than I thought
spice surge
Its not
mystic urchin
But why is it fun still
lime onyx
It feels really good for st and for M+
vocal basalt
The key here is balance, which some companies struggle deeply with.
balmy condor
Assa is good
real pike
Simplification in itself isn't an inherently bad thing. That's what makes games ...
no but when everything is simplified like we've had in wow
it's frustrating
lime onyx
It just seems like it sucks in raid logs because of adds
vocal basalt
Simplified as it is, people still fail at classes.
lime onyx
Only part that sucks is the accursed puzzle box
mystic urchin
It just seems like it sucks in raid logs because of adds
yeah I know, I dont think current raid enviroment is good for Assa with adds spawning and dying quickly, when everyone can just burst without ramp
lime onyx
It’s perfectly fine if you’re aiming in killing the boss rather than being top dps
vocal basalt
nonsense
lime onyx
Because boss dam is still #1 prio unless you’re unable to kill adds in time
vocal basalt
I must be doing max damage and ignoring every mechanic
mystic urchin
I guess its not so much "Assa is ass" but more so other classes overshadow them with how they get better pay off
latent copper
Is there a real option for puzzlebox? I mean thats 2 sec u do nothing…sometimes 3 if u have to cancel
bleak sedge
what can be the reason for puzzlebox and deathmark desync? some haste stuff?
high dust
Wait Im not the only one with that?
bitter solar
what can be the reason for puzzlebox and deathmark desync? some haste stuff?
dungeon affix
vocal basalt
Okay, I wasnt going crazy
bleak sedge
dungeon affix
ahhhh. Damn thats pissing me off lmao
lime onyx
Just do 12s and forget about it 🙂
mystic urchin
Xalatath is just there to irritate you, the real pain is that she desyncs
high dust
still worth to wait for the puzzle i suppose?
lime onyx
100%
high dust
I had it macroed and I was going crazy
"damn, I have deathmark up, why the fuck isnt this thing casting"
mystic urchin
how much haste do you guys run around with unbuffed?
high dust
600-700 is good I think?
mystic urchin
600-700 is good I think?
then im 100 short
high dust
same tbh...
balmy condor
There’s not really a breakpoint or a recommendation
high dust
I was switching between sub and assa, and mastery items kept dropping hard...:')
balmy condor
Was about to say that’s not a lot of crit
lime onyx
You can pretty much go between sub and sin for raid by just like swapping one piece of gear and haste flask instead of crit
mystic urchin
You’re just short on gear
oh 100% this character is lvl 90 since today so Im not taking it TOO serious but I felt like I was underperforming in the content I did do and I am just trying to understand and analyze what to change.
bleak sedge
whispyr what are the situationals where DS is better than FB after tomorrow? Which one will we run?
high dust
Being EU is bad...I wanna play with the buffed version...and see my vault...
bleak sedge
Being EU is bad...I wanna play with the buffed version...and see my vault...
go to sleep and wake up happy?
lime onyx
Important question: what happens to death stalkers mark on beloren egg swap
haughty flicker
nobodys made it that far as a rogue
high dust
go to sleep and wake up happy?
waking up happy is weird cause job 
haughty flicker
so no idea
coral ibex
if you wanna see some real stats lmk
haughty flicker
stats are bad
balmy condor
Important question: what happens to death stalkers mark on beloren egg swap
The egg counts as the boss and you keep debuffs on it both ways
coral ibex
many people are saying my stats are incredible really
gilded oasis
oh whisper is here time to show him my job on Chim
haughty flicker
many people are saying it
coral ibex
many people!
gilded oasis
i've heard it myself at least 3 times
balmy condor
Being EU is bad...I wanna play with the buffed version...and see my vault...
Me announcing my vault opening
haughty flicker
balmy condor
Except it’s actually in 20 minutes
And it’ll be much more bigly than @coral ibex’s vault
Some are saying I have the best vault
We’ll have to wait and see folks!
lime onyx
I got myth occlusion of void so I’m a happy boi
sharp viper
If I see cringe box on Myth
spice surge
Some are saying I have the best vault
Its probably gonna be filled with mythical gays
Gaze* sorry to disappoint
high dust
what If I am one of tho- oh...gaze...
balmy condor
ITS FILLED WITH ME?
high dust
fallow canopy
high dust
With you...?
sharp viper
Its probably gonna be filled with mythical gays
sharp viper
I have a girlfriend
Alibi
gilded oasis
liking girls is gay as hell
balmy condor
liking girls is gay as hell
Okay well you’re a girl and I don’t like you
(More fudge please!)
gilded oasis
plucky ember
sharp viper
Okay well you’re a girl and I don’t like you
That’s pretty gay too
balmy condor
Have to be careful with zar
She has my home address
Next package I’m getting is ricin
sharp viper
She has my home address
calm grail
Got a scenario here
high dust
Or sell your home address
calm grail
KB becomes desynced from Mark in a key
balmy condor
<:monkaGiga:827540625339580416>
She bakes me Christmas cookies 
calm grail
Do you hold KB
balmy condor
You hold dm
gusty prawn
balmy condor
Yes
plucky ember
wait i thought eu opend the vault at 9am?
high dust
more like 7 I think?
zinc vessel
Are we better than sub in raid now ?
torn elm
whos we i play rogue
ocean ore
guys, we have any addon to auto tricks tanks?
lime onyx
Are we better than sub in raid now ?
Yesn’t
high dust
just focus cast it
sacred oyster
guys, we have any addon to auto tricks tanks?
TankMD
coral ibex
We’ll have to wait and see folks!
Whispyr says he's gonna have the best vault, can you believe that? The best vault. The guy gets mogged on a daily basis in ravenholdt... have you seen his profile bling? mimes clapping feet he's got the feet going, i mean its really something to see. but he's a total nobody in terms of vaults. i remember just a few weeks ago he was coping about it not being too bad and now he's trying to get attention by saying his vault is the best. i mean can you believe it folks, we dont... who here believes it? nobody. nobody believes it. so we're gonna keep having the best vaults every week and wonky Whispyr... well we all love those youtube videos don't we?
spice surge
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
plucky ember
nah i dont do enough threat during raids for tricks huehuehue
sacred oyster
just focus cast it
addon is dead simple and no reason to burden focus casting when addon does it perfect
torn elm
put dmg buff back on tricks and ill cast it
or bring smoke bomb back, tbh we need some kind of group utility
viscid spear
Me announcing my vault opening
I get home 2 hours before this
Open my vault
Get high value item
8pm rolls around
Turn TV on
War were declared
plucky ember
do we even need that addon after they do the change to trick?
ocean ore
addon is dead simple and no reason to burden focus casting when addon does it pe...
and i use focus to kick as well
sacred oyster
focus is annoying cause every time you 'teleport' like in spire, it clears your focus (wtf does it do that for?)
balmy condor
*I get home 2 hours before this*
*Open my vault*
*Get high value item*
*8pm roll...
yeah I declared war for my bad vault!
high dust
tbf Im not using tricks. only on sub and because that shit lasts for a fucking hour
balmy condor
do we even need that addon after they do the change to trick?
what change to tricks is that
high dust
only trickster
plucky ember
ahhhhh
high dust
we cant pick trickster
balmy condor
that's a talent on trickster
high dust
and that's sad cause trickster fucking helps un nullaeus
viscid spear
yeah I declared war for my bad vault!
Those poor bankers in Silvermoon, having to watch an orc female rogue violently assault the vault
high dust
Maybe they like what they see.
viscid spear
Maybe they like what they see.
Femboys?
misty holly
What is the crit% breakpoint where eyes of the eagle enchant becomes worth?
final geode
wondering if i should be playing assassination in m+ over sub now
sacred oyster
why would you not use tricks in keys though. super useful to start spreading bleeds before tank has finished rounding the ads up and giving tank initial aggro before other DPS starts too early and gets themselves killed too.
bleak sedge
Btw do you guys focus a different target than the one with Deathmark and Kingsbane on it in m+ to keep them ticking as long as possible?
real pike
Because it can’t be
sorry was in a key, yeah I do agree and I get why it has to happen, but I personally think they've taken it a bit too far in wow and for me personally it's frustrating having to choose between having more fun or parsing higher (which I also find fun), but obviously not everyone is always gonna be happy so it is what it is
coral ibex
because once aoe blind comes back, it becomes a useful aoe DR
and good tanks don't need help gathering or holding threat
real pike
why would you not use tricks in keys though. super useful to start spreading ble...
it's even better for grabbing prio mobs when all CDs are up and tank is slacking ^^
warm vortex
Almost got puzzle ox on my very first m_ run
Healer loot specced ir for me but couldn't trade lol
coral ibex
30% DR on the whole pack
warm vortex
Did it mainly to piss off an officer in our guild
high dust
good tanks exist? I thought they were crying that they're so few
balmy condor
sorry was in a key, yeah I do agree and I get why it has to happen, but I person...
I sent you a dm I think is probably an interesting povyou don't get from wow
high dust
30% DR on the whole pack
I guess we pressing blind before getting those ruptures up?
split mantle
Newb-ish question. Does caustic spatter splash the damage of the first application? As-in, if a target does not have caustic spatter, and you cast envenom on them to apply it, does the damage from the envenom that applied it splash?
viscid spear
why would you not use tricks in keys though. super useful to start spreading ble...
group charging towards large collection of mobs
hit Tricks
Immediately begin AoE rotation
Notice too late the tank was mounted when you tried to Tricks
Die
balmy condor
Newb-ish question. Does caustic spatter splash the damage of the first applicat...
yes
it splashes
high dust
whispyr dont look at me like that cant make fucking jokes with u huh
real pike
I sent you a dm I think is probably an interesting povyou don't get from wow
sorry I don't accept message requests from strange men
lime edge
if only i was still on sub
balmy condor
sorry I don't accept message requests from strange men
what about strange femboys?
viscid spear
what about strange femboys?
You aren't strange, we know you
real pike
brb watching whatever video you've just sent me no questions asked
bleak sedge
if only i was still on sub
Was also chasing that trinket as sub. Watch me get it tomorrow
balmy condor
I'm also incredibly brand-safe
viscid spear
brb watching whatever video you've just sent me no questions asked
If you trust that then I have a Nigerian prince that desperately needs your assistance
split mantle
what about strange femboys?
Ah okay, so outside of Kingsbane / Deathmark, switching targets in M+ AoE situations isn't necessarily the worst?
balmy condor
yeah it's totally fine
high dust
Was also chasing that trinket as sub. Watch me get it tomorrow
Same. 1 hope, 1 opportunity.
split mantle
I thought you had to do one cast to apply caustic, and another to start splashing.
viscid spear
Ah okay, so outside of Kingsbane / Deathmark, switching targets in M+ AoE situat...
I just KB and/or DM the biggest thing
But always make sure I have them for boss
sacred oyster
i thought eu went before us, why is ppl saying tomorrow?
bleak sedge
yeah it's totally fine
So no switching with Deathmark and kingsbane to keep them up longer before target fies?
balmy condor
i thought eu went before us, why is ppl saying tomorrow?
US is tuesday, EU is wednesday
sacred oyster
o.o weird
lime edge
well u gotta poison the mob to ramp up kingsbane
if u swap ur kingsbane barely does dmg
balmy condor
So no switching with Deathmark and kingsbane to keep them up longer before targe...
yeah if you switch your kingsbane won't splash
lime edge
and that
split mantle
Well, right. That's why I said 'Outside of Kingsbane' xD
balmy condor
well u gotta poison the mob to ramp up kingsbane
well with deathmark the ramp is basically instant, but yes, this too
real pike
i thought eu went before us, why is ppl saying tomorrow?
wat
viscid spear
i thought eu went before us, why is ppl saying tomorrow?
Blizzard is based out of US, they're huge homers
sacred oyster
wat
well it appears i was wrong, but as i literally said, i thought eu was also tues lol. I thought it was just "noon your timezone" kind of thing
bleak sedge
Guess ill try to find a mob that the other aren't hitting then lmao
real pike
If you trust that then I have a Nigerian prince that desperately needs your assi...
yo tell me more, I've been waiting for a spot of luck ever since I lost all my savings on a malware scam
high dust
nah we wait for wednesday, we wake up with vault's loot.
sacred oyster
im guessing its so they can ensure EU vaults are post a weekly patch?
but odd its not just aligned with the us reset. still a prime time for EU.
real pike
Guess ill try to find a mob that the other aren't hitting then lmao
that's the key, in pulls where there are 2 mobs with similar health that are highest in the pack I will usually hit the one that gets to the pack later, or see which one starts losing health slower and put the CDs on that one
high dust
they sync yeah. I'm still playing unbuffed assass
real pike
but odd its not just aligned with the us reset. still a prime time for EU.
it's so the US neanderthals can be guinea pigs for us chad Euro types
high dust
to then lose at 5% on RWF
lavish frost
any useful macros ?
real pike
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 13
why no potion line
lavish frost
puzzlebox after deathmark ?
bitter solar
And the use line is pretty useless with everyone running pbox
high dust
cringe box then deathmark
lavish frost
got a problem with puzzle then deathmark, its not using deathmark at all
high dust
u have to click it twice
real pike
you can do some cast sequence wizardry but yeah that macro isn't going to work
I just have puzzle on a separate key
high dust
i have it on castsequence myself.
sacred oyster
just have a macro mouse and hit yo damn buttons
verbal sable
@solar wyvern dont look
balmy condor
@coral ibex @solar wyvern @strange onyx @spice spire suck my eggs losers 
bleak sedge
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+T...
We don't use this with box right?
lavish frost
can you show me the secquence ?
arctic crown
Guys
bleak sedge
Yes you cannot macro puzzlebox
Nvm there's the answer
high dust
<@137430413919387648> <@141665120764952576> <@98876232447303680> <@2265085407460...
BRO FUCK U IF THAT'S REAL
arctic crown
WHat would be our best comp?
spice surge
<@137430413919387648> <@141665120764952576> <@98876232447303680> <@2265085407460...
TOLD YA
fallow canopy
<@137430413919387648> <@141665120764952576> <@98876232447303680> <@2265085407460...
Another one to the myth gays group
balmy condor
BRO FUCK U IF THAT'S REAL
idk
high dust
that fucking gaze...
spice surge
is that me in the corner
In the spotlight? Losing your religion?
red schooner
fallow canopy
In the spotlight? Losing your religion?
Trying to keep up with you?
high dust
atleast if I get it on HC... maybe there's hope...
bleak sedge
I got my hc one in vault. Guild chat turned into league chat
gilded oasis
Or sell your home address
I would never
forest whale
Is the set of Voidlight binding rings bait or decent? I have heroic maxxed and just got Mythic version of the other in vault. Says its like a 1200 dps increase over mythic tier chest vs my heroic.
high dust
we cant fucking open it yet and there's already people waiting
spice surge
Is the set of Voidlight binding rings bait or decent? I have heroic maxxed and j...
Its not massive, but its free damage without any cost
About 0.5% on ST
strange onyx
<@137430413919387648> <@141665120764952576> <@98876232447303680> <@2265085407460...
You’re welcome!
high dust
Is the set of Voidlight binding rings bait or decent? I have heroic maxxed and j...
is it like...1% of all your damage? might be wrong. on assass is decent cause both rings's stats works
spice surge
However one of the rings does not have crit, which is a bit unfortunate
balmy condor
damn catch up on your knowledge lol
it's just all the npc things
elder agate
what u guys recomend to upgrade, tier set itens with hero crests, or the ring combo
have mythic ones
forest whale
Its not massive, but its free damage without any cost
That's what I figured. I was just curious how it held up against like a max crafted ring and another combo.
Guess I could not be lazy and sim it.
high dust
im running it myself but...that might be because I'm having like 0 luck with rings.
tall jay
Easy key
high dust
do we have to feed you or some shit?
high dust
damn what's this, mythic++ l'ura?
sacred oyster
if you wanted to force loot from specific dungeon, could you run it 8x at end of the week so all 8 of your last clears is that 1 dungeon, or does it pool from all regardless if you did them or not?
high dust
Tbh I dont know how that works neither
strange onyx
I know
gilded oasis
no, dungeons is all pools
sacred oyster
you had yet to answer the Q
strange onyx
Yes
sacred oyster
raids seems like it is biased on what you actually cleared. so its not unreasable to question if dungeons did too.
high dust
didnt delves drop quel'danas stuff last week?
haughty flicker
the weekly quest, not delves themselves
high dust
oooh
sacred oyster
oh, so its a 'ever cleared' so if you didnt do chim this week but have in past, but did voidspire, chim loot can still drop?
haughty flicker
yes
gilded oasis
for raid, yes
I believe dungeon is just all dungeon all the time
regardless of clear status
high dust
oh, great, now I dont have to do chim hc anymore then
haughty flicker
any boss you've ever killed will permantly add its loot and the loot of all bosses before it in the dungeon journal to your vault pool
strange onyx
raids seems like it is biased on what you actually cleared. so its not unreasabl...
You cannot get loot from a Mythic Boss you haven’t killed. But after you have killed it is now in your «pool». So example I was benched for Chim Mythic reclear this week, yet I still can get loot from it in my vault if I have a «Mythic» slot in my raid row
haughty flicker
well you can get loot from a mythic boss you havent killed
if you killed the boss after it
if i kill vorasius but not first boss, i can still get first boss in vault
strange onyx
Can you? I recall this being a thing
haughty flicker
ever since vault of the incarnates
strange onyx
Not like it matter much unless you buy a BOOST 👀
haughty flicker
people were abusing it not being a thing to skip certain bosses to not have them in vault
so they made it work this way
subtle tundra
Me announcing my vault opening
did it drop
strange onyx
@balmy condor Please stop streaming my crest wastes from last week
subtle tundra
the nuke i mean
haughty flicker
Not like it matter much unless you buy a BOOST 👀
it was very relevant last tier for lower end mythic guilds, because you could kill fractillus and have a chance at dh boots in vault
also just if you get benched for whatever reason
not that a rogue would ever be benched
high dust
the nuke i mean
It fucking did.
high dust
lets steal from him
strange onyx
it was very relevant last tier for lower end mythic guilds, because you could ki...
I guess, what a terrible king I have been. I did not know about the perils of the very peasants living on my lands
high dust
Hey dont call me peasant. Too much responsability for me thanks.
coral ibex
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FAKE NEWS!
spice spire
<@137430413919387648> <@141665120764952576> <@98876232447303680> <@2265085407460...
How about you suck my left nut
strange onyx
Hey dont call me peasant. Too much responsability for me thanks.
Tend to the land, plant the blue and green parses on warcraftlogs so we can all relish in the amounts logs on Warcraftlogs
plain thistle
for sure its box
high dust
Tend to the land, plant the blue and green parses on warcraftlogs so we can all...
Fuck, I already fucked up that. Only two bosses and both on purple.
scarlet meadow
any updates to talents after the bleed buffs?
high dust
I hope it's puzzle box
Dont wish for it, she only appears when you dont want her. (I mean...nobody fucking likes her so...)
solar wyvern
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who asked???? L BOZO no SPEED
wraith knot
Hey dont call me peasant. Too much responsability for me thanks.
If I would not be Alexander, I would want to be Diogenes. I will grant you one wish within my power, tell me what it is you wish for. -Alexander the Great
For you to get out of my sunlight. -Diogenes
balmy condor
who asked???? L BOZO no SPEED
you put crests in it though
calm grail
I asked earlier, and I think it was answered, but you're typically running the same gear for keys as you are raid? No ring/enchant tweaks typically?
viscid spear
If I would not be Alexander, I would want to be Diogenes. I will grant you one w...
When the river runs dry and the curtain is called... Who will I be when the empire falls?
strange onyx
Get his charrend
wraith knot
When the river runs dry and the curtain is called... Who will I be when the empi...
Ashkitten
warm vortex
Whispyr
strange onyx
Get him*
warm vortex
You look fantastic today
wraith knot
<:glorpsus:1432052675230568518>
strange onyx
If you craft a 285 trinket you can save a lot of crests on the gaze upgrade
balmy condor
You look fantastic today
ty king
warm vortex
Btw
balmy condor
If you craft a 285 trinket you can save a lot of crests on the gaze upgrade
this could be the move
warm vortex
wanna see what i gotr
balmy condor
not really no
high dust
damn..had to check... i sim like -10k on dungeonslice ass vs sub...
strange onyx
<:think:824540124352086016> this could be the move
That emoji looks like he Shiv as a rotational ability ngl
high dust
good head.
warm vortex
WARNING DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE WHISPYR BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT TO SEE THIS
wraith knot
If you craft a 285 trinket you can save a lot of crests on the gaze upgrade
Skoop with the 5000IQ plays daily
viscid spear
balmy condor
WARNING DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE WHISPYR BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT TO SEE THIS
gross!
viscid spear
Wish me luck
warm vortex
You troglodyte
strange onyx
WARNING DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE WHISPYR BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT TO SEE THIS
Your tier is more whack than assa wtf lmao
warm vortex
Your tier is more whack than assa wtf lmao
It's a fucking 1.6% gain on st going from 0pc to 4pc
it's epic
warm vortex
And in aoe
strange onyx
It's a fucking 1.6% gain on st going from 0pc to 4pc
And you rerolled to that Garbo? xd
high dust
Why I feel like assa p4 is...how to put it ...